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The TV Whore has been tied up, of late, with real-world legal bullshit, which he’s apparently decided to prioritize over what really matters: Random TV news. So, in his stead, here’s a few tidbits we’ve missed over the last few days:

First up: Though the CW cancelled it, MTV is considering picking up “Beauty and the Geek,” and giving it a B-list celebrity twist. As mentioned in Stace’s PL yesterday, on the request of the show’s casting directors, Vermillion is auditioning for the show. Hmmm. Geeks plus MTV celebrities? Dude: V’s gonna meet Kim Kardashian. I have to admit a small fondness for the show, which is the sort of thing you’d easily get sucked into during a Saturday MTV marathon during a finals period.

In ratings news, “Desperate Housewives” was last week’s number one entertainment program, while “Grey’s Anatomy” is still scoring big numbers. I had no idea anyone still watched the shows. And randomly: “The Mentalist” edged out “Fringe” last week for the first time, as the two shows compete for the highest rated rookie shows of the season. Both “Kath and Kim” and “Knight Rider,” despite being picked up for full season orders, are doing terribly in the ratings. But so is everything on NBC. “NCIS” had its best ratings ever last week, after six seasons. Has anyone ever watched that show? “The Big Bang Theory” is doing well, and “How I Met Your Mother” is on an uptick. HBO’s “True Blood,” also hit a season high, but after the initial lack of enthusiasm our TV people had here, I never bothered to tune in. Has it gotten better?

And finally, the Greg Daniels exec-produced show that was once thought to be an “Office” spin-off, but is now apparently just a sitcom starring Amy Poehler and “The Human Giant’s” Aziz Ansari, has now added Rashida Jones to the cast. She’ll be playing a nurse whose boyfriend has a strange injury, which pretty much rules out any possible affiliation with “The Office,” since Rashida Jones was certainly not a nurse during Season Three of the show. The other exec-producer, Mike Schur (also of “The Office”) described the new show and the casting decision as such: “She is perfect for this new show, which — just to remind everyone — is not a spinoff of ‘The Office.’ It is a spinoff of ‘MASH’ called ‘Seinfeld II.’ “


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Comments

Let me break this down, so you can all know what you SHOULD be watching:

Sunday: Desperate Housewives. It's gotten much, much better now that it's set in the future.

Monday: Gossip Girl, for reasons known to all. How I Met Your Mother, for Allison Hannigan. And Heroes, if you are like me, and stick with a show 'til the bitter end once you start with it.

Tuesday: Blush: The Search for The Next Great Makeup Artist, because it's supergay. I mean SUPERgay.

Wednesday: Well, now that Top Model is over, Top Chef is really my only must-see on Wednesday nights, if only for the hot daddy bears on this season. I also occasionally throw in Stylista for background noise.

Thursday: Ugly Betty, for Wilhelmina Slater, and Grey's Anatomy, because yes, some of us still watch it and pray for Katherine Heigl's demise. And don't forget 30 Rock, still the best show on television.

Friday: Drinking.

Saturday: SNL, with the prayer that something else will be remotely as funny as the opening Sarah Palin skit.

And that's all. Sprinkle in some Chelsea Lately every night and some The View every day, and you have yourself quite the nice little viewing party.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at November 20, 2008 9:24 AM

Aziz Ansari is on MTV's Human Giant. Has he ever been on The Daily Show? If he really is on Amy Poehler's new show, that's a scoop of awesome.

Ooops. I confused him with Aasif Mandvi. That's embarrassing. My apologies. -- DR

Posted by: Lizzie (greeneyed fem) at November 20, 2008 9:35 AM

ANTM was so super stupid this season. They got rid of all the good ones early on. McKey looked like Macaulay Culkin, and Sam was annoying as hell. Once they got rid of Marjorie I no longer had any vested interest in the show. I watched it anyway, but that's beside the point.

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 9:41 AM

This may have been covered since I've been absent of late, but in really important TV news (i.e., news that Jay, I, and about five other Pajibans care about), David Tennant has confirmed that he will not be back for another season of Doctor Who. He will do four specials to round out his Ten's arc. Favourites to replace him are David Morrissey, Robert Carlyle (love him but terrible choice for the Doctor), Joseph Patterson, Rhys Ifans (could work), John Simm (most recently seen playing The Master), and ARE YOU SITTING DOWN AND NEAR A BARF RECEPTACLE? Catherine Tate. I swear on Voltar's hammer if they make her The Doctor, despite my thirty year love affair with this show, I AM OUT.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 9:48 AM

You don't watch Top Model to find out who wins, hell its better not to win because you get the exposure without being Cover Girl's bitch for a year. You watch to see Tyra's descent into madness, her split personalities with the bad french and russian accents, and the supreme heights her weave artists can reach each week.

Posted by: MG at November 20, 2008 9:50 AM

Dude, why must you always rag on NCIS? The show is GOOD.

I WATCH IT! I DO! I WATCH IT EVERY WEEK AND SOMETIMES EVEN THE RERUNS!

Posted by: Siege at November 20, 2008 9:54 AM

I know, MG, but I need at least a little something more than that. There is only so much Tyra I can take, and even then she's only on like once an episode. But damn she is a crazy bitch. I just love it when she tries to show them facial expressions and looks like a serial killer.

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 9:55 AM

Once they got rid of Marjorie I no longer had any vested interest in the show. I watched it anyway, but that's beside the point.

Ermm...Marjorie was only eliminated last week...I mean, it's not like they eliminated her early on so you really only had the finale show to suffer through.

Posted by: Annie_Reckson at November 20, 2008 10:07 AM

Let me grieve!

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 10:12 AM

Also, I really didn't except McKey to win when I first started. I honestly thought it would be either Elina or Marjorie at the beginning and as the show progressed I was convinced that Annaleigh would nail it. McKey's teeth and lazy eyes annoy the crap out of me, I was always amazed that her pictures turned out so well (thanks Photoshop!) but I like her attitude.


I'm also surprised that Sam lasted as long as she did.

Posted by: Renee at November 20, 2008 10:12 AM

*Ahem*

What I meant to say, Annie, is that I am like an immature idiot when it comes to shows like this, and if they get rid of my favorite people (Elina, then Marjorie), even the final episode is crap. CRAP! But I had to finish the show anyway. So yes, I didn't have to suffer long, but it was painful anyway because the other models sucked ass. Hard.

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 10:16 AM

I understand what you're saying Snath, Elina and Marjorie were my favorites, particularly Marjorie. Elina kind of wore on my nerves as she became increasingly bitchy after Sheena was eliminated.

Final episode pissed me off too. McKey? MCKEY??!!? I never understood the judge wankfest over McKey

Posted by: Annie_Reckson at November 20, 2008 10:26 AM

Paddydog,
I know! *sob* I'll miss Ten, I think Tennant did a great job.
I was actually at the performance of Hamlet during which he announced he was leaving - but we didn't know a thing, because he did it during the interval, when we were busy scarfing down our drinks. Ubergeeks all, we didn't even notice any disturbance in the force. I heard about it the next day...

That's Paterson Joseph, not Joseph Patterson, btw. I think he'd be a decent choice. Russell Tovey has been mentioned, too.
Nooooo! Tate can't be the Doctor! Not unless they really pretzel the plot. Donna has too much canon, hasn't she? The Doctor can regenerate, but he has no control over his new form, and as far as we know he can't shapeshift or take over another body.

Um. I've clearly thought a little too much about this... ;-)vermillion, you wanted ideas about how to present as an ubergeek in your video? Try knowing altogether too much about The Doctor!

Posted by: Tarn at November 20, 2008 10:41 AM

Dustin,
yes, in my opinion True Blood has gotten better. I'm hooked, anyway.

Posted by: Tarn at November 20, 2008 10:44 AM

I'm kind of surprised TrueBlood was promptly panned and dismissed on Pajiba. Sure, the first couple of episodes were a little cheesy, but it's been increasingly entertaining to the point where I'm gobbling it up each Sunday. (Plus, you know... Entourage for dessert.)

Posted by: bostonadrianne at November 20, 2008 10:49 AM

I watch True Blood every week, even though it diminishes my brain cells and I think that Anna Paquin should trade in her Oscar for acting lessons.

But hey, I get to see Ryan Kwanten and Lizzie Caplan naked.

Posted by: Julie at November 20, 2008 10:56 AM

Have to jump on the NCIS bandwagon, it is a really good show. Yeah, it's a procedural, but it's one with actual characters that have actual lives, something procedurals either forget or fail at. That, and half the show I'm praying Abby will come back to the screen wearing her schoolgirl uniform...but that's another story.

All of this is naught however, simply because 24 Redemption and A Colbert Christmas are on Sunday night. It is truly a night of religious worship, and you can bet God will have both programs on his TiVo. You guys like God, right? I mean, how bad can the guy be?

Posted by: Mike R. at November 20, 2008 10:57 AM

Tarn:

Thanks for the correction on the spelling. I always default into a double letter in names like that (see my "Ian Flemming" gaffe yesterday. I'm not completely opposed to a female Doctor but I am opposed to Catherine Tate in any shape. I also think with Russell Davies leaving, the series shouldn't take on too many sea changes all at once. And let's face it, since Ecclestone and Tennant, The Doctor has become very nice eye candy so one would hate to revert to just watching it for the story line.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 11:00 AM

PaddyDog, I heard an even worse rumor...Billie Piper as Doctor Eleven. BLECH! While I could never see Catherine Tate as The Doctor, I'd love to see the return of Donna Noble. (Which is rumored, as well as the return of the Master, for the specials next year.)

It'll suck when Ten is gone, but I've also heard Colin Salmon and James Nesbitt thrown out there too, as well as Chiwetel Ejiofor. All good choices in my opinion.

Posted by: Mike R. at November 20, 2008 11:09 AM

True Blood is a pretty great show. It's like the cheesy grown-up version of Twilight, in a good way. Rape, murder, dumbasses...plus lots of lots of boobehs.

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 11:10 AM

Yes, it is now confirmed that I'm the only person in America who doesn't watch reality television. My friends do it. My roommates do it. Even your average Pajibans do it. But still I refuse to watch it, even ironically. TERRIBLE. IDIOCRACY. DUMB. LISTEN TO MIKE JUDGE.

South Park (done), Always Sunny (done tonight), 30 Rock and the Wire reruns on BET are the only things keeping me off Discovery HD these days.

Posted by: tdehr at November 20, 2008 11:11 AM

That, and half the show I'm praying Abby will come back to the screen wearing her schoolgirl uniform...but that's another story.

Amen, brother. Or another shot of her full-back tattoo (although that just might be me). Seeing Ziva in that two-piece again would be appreciated as well.

Posted by: Vermillion at November 20, 2008 11:15 AM

Mike R.

That would be so wrong on so many fronts, not least the fact that Piper can't do any character that isn't a chav. I've been horrified to see her performance in roles other than Rose. I could definitely see Chiwetel Ejiofor (Sp?) in the role. Not sure about James Nesbitt, he's a little over-exposed at the moment, but he would bring great passion to the role.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 11:20 AM

*cue me some ominous "tactical" music Phil*

*as several large gentlemen approach*

---------------------------------------

"Dude, why must you always rag on NCIS? The show is GOOD.

I WATCH I....*muffled sounds* *scuffle*

...A dog barks, a shot rings in the distance...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 20, 2008 11:24 AM

Hold those horses, kids.

I'm in favor of a Tate Eleven. YES I AM. She's already been the Doctor (metacrisis, anyone?) and I don't think the mindwipe is going to hold. I think it would be brilliant. Where the hell is Jay when I need him? (We've actually already discussed this.)

I only watch The Hills, House, and Grey's Anatomy with regularity. Shut your faces.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 11:27 AM

Hold those horses, kids.

I'm in favor of a Tate Eleven. YES I AM. She's already been the Doctor (metacrisis, anyone?) and I don't think the mindwipe is going to hold. I think it would be brilliant. Where the hell is Jay when I need him? (We've actually already discussed this.)

I only watch The Hills, House, and Grey's Anatomy with regularity. Shut your faces.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 11:27 AM

Nicole:

You are dead to me.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 11:28 AM

Nicole, it would be weird (for lack of a better term) but I would still watch it if it happened.

Though, I think all of you Whovians can agree on one crucial reappearance that needs to happen...River Song. Glorious, smart, hot River Song.

Posted by: Mike R. at November 20, 2008 11:35 AM

It's true about Piper, girlfriend WAS. PAINFUL. TO. WATCH. in that last little stint she did, apart from looking like she was there against her will.

/she sucked

As far as Tate is concerned, mmmmmmmm, could be interesting to see. And I'm just gonna come out and say it, in the end there she revealed herself as: ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIONS.

/waits for strike team

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 20, 2008 11:37 AM

True Blood is still as cheesy as ever, but I'm hooked. I spend most of the time laughing because that much gushing blood can be really funny.
I just have to ignore the accents. Maybe I'll write a paper on it for my next dialect class.

Posted by: Sharon at November 20, 2008 11:41 AM

Paddy, I'll always remember our special time together.

My gut tells me that *coughwhorecough* River will be back before Tennant's run is through, as she met the Tenth Doctor (assist from Jay there; I was too lazy the other day to look it up).

I doubt the Tate thing will happen though, unless there's another crazy metacrisis. WHICH I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT.

Ah, Billie looked uncomfortable because she wanted to get back to making that awful whore show. Look where that got her. And she could never be the Doctor, because she's in charge of 10.5 over there in Pete's World, but I would love to see some sort of crossover after the next regeneration where Rose and 10.5 come back and have their minds blown at Eleven.

I am the biggest dork ever, but the eyes and the hair make up for it.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 11:46 AM

Barbado, seconded...Donna Noble was the best companion of the new Doctor Who. Period. Why?

- She never went googley eyed over The Doctor, but any affection shown towards him was genuine.
- She had a good sense of humor and empathy. (I swear, The Fires of Pompeii had me in tears when she begs the Doctor to save that family.)
- She questioned the Doctor when she thought it was nessicary, she didn't always agree with him.
- She had a mind of her own, and was actually quite bright.
- I have an insane Ginger crush on Catherine Tate.

Rose was cute, but she was too in love with the Doc, and wasn't all that smart. PLUS, her inclusion in the finale erased most memories of the Rose we all knew and loved. (What was with her in Turn Left? Do alternate timelines effect speech patterns and accents?) Martha was smarter, but she was still lovestruck with the Doctor. And Astrid...well, she's merely stardust sadly, otherwise I'd say bring her back.

So not only does scientific evidence back this, but so does process of elimination.

Posted by: Mike R. at November 20, 2008 11:56 AM

although i didn't mind Donna Noble, i would really prefer not to have Catherine Tate as the Doctor. plus, i agree with Paddy, i'm liking the Doctor as eye-candy--and i'm sorry to say that Tate doesn't work that way.

The Pink Hulk, i think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

Posted by: pq at November 20, 2008 11:58 AM

Nicole:

Stop making well-informed Whovian posts that make me want to respond. I can't go back once someone is dead to me. If I break my rule with you, there is an entire list of ex-boyfriends who might qualify under the Nicole exemption and that would just be wrong.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 12:05 PM

also, where is Jay?

Posted by: pq at November 20, 2008 12:14 PM

So my wife and I were the only ones that watched Michael Chiklis earn an Emmy right in front of our eyes this week? If he doesn't win for this season of The Shield then it's a damn tragesty.

I don't do the reality thing with the exception of Hell's Kitchen, or something on the Food network. Unless it's a documentary I don't care and don't make the time.

Both The Shield and Sons of Anarchy end next week, The Shield for good. Between that, the impending demise of Pushing Daisies and next season's end of Battlestar Galactica I'm running out of television drama product to enjoy.

Thank God Jack comes back this Sunday, even if just for a couple of hours.

Posted by: TylerDFC at November 20, 2008 12:19 PM

Tate can't be the doctor. The doctor must be dreamy like David Tennant. Also, Billie Piper would be lame.

PS- super glad comments devolved into Doctor Who time. My friend Curtis calls me dorkus malorkus because of my obsession. Back to lurking.

Posted by: Lauren at November 20, 2008 12:23 PM

Know who I think would be good for Doctor Who No. Eleven? Julian Rhind-Tutt.

*many, many Pajibans go glassy-eyed in confusion*

You know, Dr. McCartney from Green Wing!

*crickets chirping*

Quartus from Stardust?

*a lone wolf howls in the distance*

Inspector Monty Pippin from Keen Eddie?

*tumbleweed rolls past*

I'll get my coat.

Posted by: Dill The Devil at November 20, 2008 12:38 PM

Jay just started a run of something like ten or eleven days off. I'm sure he'll pop in eventually, but I'm guessing at the moment he's either drunk, asleep, or frolicking somewhere. Have you tried emailing him, Nicole? He'd probably see the Jay Signal faster that way.

Also, you Whos down in Whoville had just about convinced me to finally start watching this show despite an entire lifetime of ignoring it but so help me, if Billie Piper starts happening again, there is no way in hell I will watch. I hate her dumb ass sooooooooo much. She has jacked up teeth and she never brushes her goddamn hair and I think Peter O'Toole displayed greater acting range in that giggulated clip of The Christmas Cottage.

...I can't stop laughing now, just thinking about that clip. I'm gonna go watch it again.

Posted by: Sarina at November 20, 2008 12:39 PM

I will stop watching if Catherine Tate becomes the Doctor. There it is. Can Chiwetel Ejiofor do manic? I'd love to see what he does with it.
But if Tate becomes the doctor, I will likely stop watching entirely. Even reruns. I will go to the other side of the spectrum and refuse to acknowledge that I know what it is, even going so far as to mock those who watch it. Jay, I apologize in advance.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at November 20, 2008 12:56 PM

My roommate and I used to love making fun of Beauty and the Geek, but I'm not sure how I'll like it with "celebrity" "hotties." Probably more.

I'm really only commenting so I can say that one of the geeks from the last season has hung out in my living room. He is just as irritating in real life as he was on the show. Don't be jealous.

Oh, and I agree with wanting some more eye candy Doctor and loving Donna. Actually, I can do without the eye candy as long as he stays funny.

Posted by: Sabrina at November 20, 2008 1:02 PM

Dill The Devil come back, you aren't completely alone. I know who Julian Rhind-Tutt is, I own Keen Eddie.

Since I'm new to Doctor Who, I won't pass judgment on the new doctor.

And NCIS is a good show.

I can't get into this season of Desperate Housewives, I have 3 episodes to watch on my Tivo. And I would have stopped watching Grey's if it wasn't for Kevin McKidd.

Posted by: DoubleH at November 20, 2008 1:03 PM

Quartus from Stardust?

Ooh, ooh I know that reference! Best movie ever.

I've seen the first three episodes of the Eccleston Dr. Who. I promise promise promise that I'm going to finish.

Posted by: Julie at November 20, 2008 1:03 PM

Catherine Tate is vile. I cannot watch Who when she's in it because she makes me want to dig my eyeballs out with spoons and pour earwigs in to my aural canal in the hope they at least deafen me or better eat my brain and kill me.
If anyone would like to blast her off the face of the planet from the canon of the murdertank, I'll donate every penny I have. And all my stuff.

Hate.

Posted by: catag at November 20, 2008 1:06 PM

tdehr,I don't watch reality TV either. The most reality I get is clips on "the Soup." And that's just fine with me.

I confess, I still watch "Desperate Housewives" and "Grey's Anatomy." DH is better this year. I think the mystery of Edie's husband is what keeps me interested. And GA falls into the "show I love to hate" category. I like Bailey and Yang, and I keep hoping any or all of the other characters will spontaneously combust.

Posted by: rlr260 at November 20, 2008 1:44 PM

I have sent out a Jay Signal. Let us hope he responds.

Re: Piper's speech issues in Turn Left - there was some discussion about this and I believe she admitted that she had a hard time getting back into character, which is why Rose may have seemed a bit uneven. However, that remains one of my favorite episodes of S4 because it shows, again, just how amazing Donna is and proves that she doesn't need the Doctor to be awesome. Unfortunately, she can't see how brilliant she is until it's too late.

Donna and Rose are my two favorite companions for entirely different reasons. I would argue that if Rose healed Nine, Donna healed Ten.

I just want all of you who hate Rose to go back and watch the scene from The Stolen Earth where the Doctor turns and sees Rose walking down the street, giant gun in hand. Tennant's face goes from disbelief to wonder to hope to joy to love in about .3 seconds, and it's beautiful. She's the one thing that he wants in the entire universe.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 1:45 PM

You all know of my obsession with ANTM, so I don't even need to go there. I loved this season more than life itself, because Tyra has never been crazier.

THE GLAMINATOR? FAIRY TALE TYRA? There have never been more precious moments on TV. Never.

And I absolutely love McKey and her humongous smile, I think she's gorgeous. I'd totally go gay for her.

Posted by: figgy at November 20, 2008 1:55 PM

Nicole:

I don't hate Rose. Billie Piper is a great Rose because she is essentially playing herself. But your example above doesn't hold: that scene from Stoeln Earth shows how mind-blowingly awesome and talented David Tennant is. All Piper had to do was walk down the street.

Catag:

You now occupy a special place in my heart. It takes a unique person to see how much Tate sucks.

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 2:06 PM

*TARDIS opens on Jay in robe (and with a pint of Tetley's)*

Did you miss me?

Posted by: Jay at November 20, 2008 2:08 PM

*TARDIS opens on Jay in robe (and with a pint of Tetley's)*

Did you miss me?

-------------------------------------------

Jay, I don't think I've ever loved you quite as much as I do right now. Is that a satsuma in your pocket?

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 2:35 PM

Yes of course I'm actually wearing the robe and drinking the beer.

Also, I'd been offline for about 13 hours. Against my will, that is.

Now

No, I don't want a Donna Eleven. Plus that would mess with Donna Noble herself coming back, outside of split screen hoopdeedoo junk. No, I'd rather Donna's memory freak out on her and have her encounter Eleven, if not Ten. However....Fires of Pompeii? Hearing the Ood song? Witnessing the ghosting and her life in the hard drive? The look on her face when the circle of lights almost whites out the screen as the rigged-up time jump cycles up. It's a brave but terrified face. I don't know why but that shot kills me. Donna has dropped all of her runaway bride, she's the perfect example of "the Doctor makes us bigger and better" there.

No. I don't think I want to watch Catherine's sketch show, but Donna was amazing. And as Angry Who Fan said, is your granddad Bernard Cribbins?! I didn't think so.

And I have indeed argued and traded points with Nicole over River, and I made my case in the "Time Traveler's Wife" thread. I will burn that Brillo pad hair right off of Moff's head if I don't get a River payoff in the next two years, and one would think it'd have to be in 09.

"You know my name. There's only one time, only one reason I'd tell someone my name"

To quote Raoul Duke: FINISH the fucking STORY!

Of course I love Rose too. This is the cheering wallpaper on my phone, isn't it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/medialibrary/images/800/s4_11_wal_23.jpg

(it is)

Her love for the Doctor didn't annoy me, but I think the difference in Donna was good too. You know, the Doctor's tired of the earthling dating scene and just wants a mate. One can relate, right? I think Martha's a good character who doesn't always get a good story written for her. I think they sometimes don't know what to do with her, especially since they'd made Rose such a huge character, Martha was almost experimental and they sorted things out better with Donna's return. And of course she was good in "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood". Everyfuckinbody was actually, but it gave her something to really work with, which the pilgrimage didn't really. That was just action, not really character. I think she was better served by "The Stolen Earth".

Oh and how lovely she is too. I love Donna but she's not the Billie and Freema cheesecake. Hey, blondes aren't my overal thing, but hey, you saw "New New Earth" when she tarted out. I'm not made of stone. And again, Freema can wear a pair of jeans like not everyone can.

What were we talking about?

Oh yeah. I'm not excited about any of the Eleven candidates. But, I guess that's kinda what the show usually does. "Oh, him? Who's he? Ehhhhh, I dunno" and then you watch it anyway. I believe in the Moff and the power of his pen, and I trust he'll be wise in helping cast the role.

Posted by: Jay at November 20, 2008 2:37 PM

that scene from Stoeln Earth shows how mind-blowingly awesome and talented David Tennant is. All Piper had to do was walk down the street.

No, that's what I meant. In a split second the audience sees how much the Doctor wants Rose. He loves her every bit as much as she loves him; the problem is that he can only love her with one of his hearts.

Now to cheer myself up I am going to watch Lauren Cooper sketches on YouTube. I think I'll start with the one with the Queen.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 2:40 PM

Oh, and Jay, if I can somehow convince you to plug ahead with Torchwood, Freema really gets to show off her chops with Martha in S2. I'm desperately hoping that Mickey and Martha join the Hub Crew for S3.

Posted by: Nicole at November 20, 2008 2:47 PM

Hee! I'm just picturing Jay logging on after 18 hours with no connection and seeing there's a Doctor Who thread 50 comments deep without him. I'll bet his first thought was "is this legal?"

Posted by: PaddyDog at November 20, 2008 2:52 PM

Jay,

my reaction exactly! I loved Ecclestone and wanted him to stay, but then along came Ten, and I was 'meh', but I watched and loved him too. I thought of Piper as 'that washed-up pop starlet who married/divorced Chris Evans', and expected to hate her, but Rose grew on me. I blanched at the idea of Tate, then - well, you can guess. (In fact this thread has just reminded me that I have to buy season 4!)
Only Martha was still 'meh' to me by the end. But I reached a point where I could tolerate her (I HATED the way they shoehorned her into Torchwood, though!)
So I really don't care too much who they cast, except not Tate - but only because I want more Donna. She became so much better through her adventures, and I hope the mindwipe isn't permanent.
Basically, I trust The Moff to do well by us.

Paddydog,
Erm, well, I had to check whether Paterson had one 't' or two, myself! ;-) What caught my eye was that his name was the wrong way around.

Posted by: Tarn at November 20, 2008 2:58 PM

*TARDIS opens on Jay in robe (and with a pint of Tetley's)*

Did you miss me?

*sigh* there you go again. as your official co-stalker/wing-woman, i need my daily dose of awesome.

I'm desperately hoping that Mickey and Martha join the Hub Crew for S3.

that would be amazing. i always loved Martha and thought she was a good contrast to Rose. Martha had a great life and promising future when she met the Doctor, but she was with him because she loved travelling with him, and i loved that. personally, i would have to crush on Ten too, it's the whole eye-candy thing. anyway, i really liked her on Torchwood too.

Posted by: pq at November 20, 2008 3:15 PM

I loved Donna by the end just because she wasn't moony-eyed over the Doctor. That just got so tired in the first three. I loved the everyone-in-the-Tardis scene at the end and I kind of hope the specials do a little more of that just because the interactions were so great, even though they were short. And Donna better get a better resolution in one of those specials, I was flat-out bawling at the end when the Doctor said goodbye to her.

Chiwetel Ejiofor is an intriguing idea for Doctor Eleven, (just because he's the only one of the names mentioned I've actually seen in anything), he's got a great range but I have to say I don't know if I can see him as manic. He's just a little too cool. And I adore John Simm and want to see more of him, but it seems like making the Master the Doctor is just more trouble than it's worth. Just let him come back as the Master ;)

Also, I FINALLY got Torchwood season 2 from Netflix and it is kind of redeeming itself from the spotty season 1, but I am a bit worried to see Martha shoved in. James Marsters is a nice touch, though. Yum.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at November 20, 2008 4:14 PM

I'll admit to not being a big Who fan. I started watching Torchwood 'cause of the rampant gayness and I've only seen one or two episodes of Doctor Who, but I did watch "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" (I heard Gwen *coughbitchwhorecough* & Ianto *coughMARRYMEcough* were going to be in it, so I kinda had to) and so help me, if they actually cast Ejiofor I'll absolutely have to watch next season too. I'd also accept Nesbitt (who I have an irrational crush on, mainly due to the accent). I wouldn't be in favour of bringing back an old character to be the Doctor as, from my limited knowledge, that would mess continuity up royally. But I'm definitely up for Donna meeting Eleven, and maybe a Rose/10.5 crossover.

On the companions debate: Rose annoyed me. I actually like Billie Piper as a person, and fully expected to like Rose, but she was just. So. Whiny! I mean, you hand her the Doctor on a plate and she's all "...but I want you! Not this guy, who is your exact double only better. But you!" Ugh.

Martha...hmm. I liked her on Torchwood, but she didn't seem to gel too well into the Who side of things. Maybe because amid the utterly super fantastical Rose and current companion Donna, she seemed to be kinda extraneous. So as a Companion she gets a "...meh".

Donna, on the other hand, I loved. The final few minutes of "Journey's End", when she goes so quickly from her excitement at exploring the entire universe to realising something's horribly wrong, then her absolute devastation at losing it (and seriously, what a dark ending for an otherwise lighter character. Somehow, dumping someone back to a life of complete unfulfillment and boredom after showing them the world, taking with you all of their good memories and personal growth, just strikes me as an awful way to leave a character, but in a really cool goosebumps-down-my-back sense). So yeah, more Tate is a plus. Just not as a Doctor.

Oh, and word to Nicole. Martha and Mickey joining Torchwood is exactly what I'm hoping for (though I'd die of happiness if PC Andy got bumped in there too - he's so snarky and adorable). And to be fair, that's exactly what they suggested in the final few minutes of "Journey's End", and Martha did appear in the radio special. So I'm very, very hopeful.

Posted by: Shay at November 20, 2008 4:16 PM

Also, I WISH I could wear jeans like Martha Jones does. Catherine Tate got the short end of the stick, wardrobe-wise. I know she's not a skinny little whippersnapper like the other companions, but there was a whole lot of fugly going on there on what looked like a perfectly respectable bod.

Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at November 20, 2008 4:17 PM

I have to admit that DW has improved since they jumped forward five years into the future. Grey's sucks, but I've been tuning in to see Kevin McKidd because he's pure sex. He's strikes me as the kind of guy that would push you up against a wall and kiss you hard 'til your face hurt. And then fuck ya. You know, kind of like Dennis Leary, but a bit less abrasive.

I am in effing love with True Blood. It's campy, but it's good camp. The accents are atrocious with the exception of the guy who plays Rene. (Anyone actually believe he's the killer???)

Are any of you watching Sons of Anarchy?

Posted by: superEdna at November 20, 2008 5:27 PM

I have to admit that DW has improved since they jumped forward five years into the future. Grey's sucks, but I've been tuning in to see Kevin McKidd because he's pure sex. He's strikes me as the kind of guy that would push you up against a wall and kiss you hard 'til your face hurt. And then fuck ya. You know, kind of like Dennis Leary, but a bit less abrasive.

I am in effing love with True Blood. It's campy, but it's good camp. The accents are atrocious with the exception of the guy who plays Rene. (Anyone actually believe he's the killer???)

Are any of you watching Sons of Anarchy?

Posted by: superEdna at November 20, 2008 5:28 PM

Paddydog I would love to take credit for seeing the suckage of the Tate but I would assume that anyone possessed with the minimum critical faculties would concur.

Posted by: catag at November 20, 2008 7:26 PM

The Mentalist dude is pretty hot. That's probably the only reason why I watch it. He actually has some pretty good lines and the whole hypnotizing thing is so...seductive. I just read somewhere about NCIS's ratings. It seems that they have the right formula and good writers, so it's attracting a lot of attention from consistent viewers. Who would have though a show about the Navy Criminal Investigations unit could be this popular

Posted by: ph at November 20, 2008 10:15 PM

Yes, superEdna, because he is.

Posted by: Snath at November 20, 2008 11:32 PM

pq, I've got a couch and some snacks with your name written allll over them...

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at November 21, 2008 6:23 AM

Shay, I AGREE!!! Just that one scene when Donna starts to deteriorate, and you can see The Doctor realizing what he has to do...it just killed me. I admit, in "Runaway Bride" Donna was quite bitchy, but you could see in the end she was going to change. As soon as she returned, she was a different Donna Noble. She was still very snarky, but she had more of a concept that she wasn't the only person in the world. (Again, Fires of Pompeii proved this when she pleads with The Doctor to save the family.) She truly respected the Doctor, and I think she actually loved him. She didn't swoon over him, she felt as if he completed her life. Was it romantic? We can't tell for sure, but she did feel genuine affection, and in the end that's what causes her to cry when she realizes she will never remember him or any of their adventures.

Yeah, I'm a geek.

Posted by: Mike R. at November 21, 2008 9:59 AM