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Christian Bale Goes American Psycho

Let’s Just Let It Go, OK? / Dustin Rowles

Trade News | February 3, 2009 | Comments (118)


Like everyone who has been awake for the last twelve hours, I’ve already heard the Bale freak-out at least four times, including a couple of remixes (like the one below). Hell, at the gym this morning, it was the first thing I saw on the “Today” show, with Lauer going all, “I’d never treat anyone on our crew that way” (maybe not, but I bet Couric got close). And though my fondness for Bale had already worn off a little (and popular to contrary belief, he was never one of my man crushes — that’s select company, people; a proper shit-eating smirk is almost a must for a healthy man crush), I’m not actually terribly bothered by the ape-shit insane rant he went on. I mean, it’s not like he hit the bong at a college party or something truly vile.

Lookit: He’s an actor. A good one, at that. And, as someone who has been in the business most of his life, he takes his shit seriously. Too seriously? Most definitely. It’s not like he was playing a dude disguised as a dude playing another dude. But hey: To echo Vermillion: We can’t go around criticizing actors for not taking their craft seriously enough, and then get all up in arms when they got batshit ballistic on a crew member. He’s Welsh, he’s high strung, and his likes to use profanities. Maybe he really needed a cigarette. And he’s probably been stuck in front of a green screen all goddamn day. Who knows? But I’m guessing he doesn’t act like that regularly, otherwise he probably wouldn’t be cast in a lot of films, and directors wouldn’t be as enthusiastic as they are about working with him. And who knows just how obnoxious that DP was being — I’ve been known to chew a few faces when someone is looking over my shoulder while I’m typing.

The point is: Dude was being a supreme asshole. But most of us have been supreme assholes at some point or another — we’re just lucky enough that nobody is following us around recording our freak-outs. If you’ve ever worked in a corporate law firm for any period of time, you’d probably hear one of those tirades once a week over something as stupid as a motherfucking typo. I had an English prof once who got in my face and spittle-screamed at me for five full minutes over a font. A fucking font. That asshole nearly pushed me to tears, mostly because I was a freshman in 1993 who had never used a computer in my life, and had no goddamn idea what a “font” was, so I couldn’t correct it because I had no idea what the hell he was ranting about. The same thing happened in law school — a prof asked me what the procedural posture was, and then laid into me when I couldn’t answer (not because I hadn’t read, but because I didn’t know what a “procedural posture” was). I hated both of those men, but they were the best goddamn professors I’ve ever had. So, there’s a certain trade-off — we can tolerate that punk-ass bullshit because Bale is a good actor. I just wouldn’t want to be the waitress who brought him an undercooked steak. You can get away with that in your profession, but if you bring it out into the real world, and attach to it any form of the phrase, “Do you know who I am?” then you’re scum. Lower than scum. And I’m not excusing Bale’s behavior — in fact, if I were the DP, I’d like to think I’d have walked off the set rather than cower and accept his abuse. Have a little pride, Mr. DP.

Hell: At least he wasn’t discussing the finer points of Phil Collins’ solo career. And anyway, clearly Bale just needed a bubble bath and a hug. A nice warm embrace. Anyone want to volunteer?









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Comments

I'd let that man berate me-- but only during sex.


I'm unstable too.

Posted by: Clee Shay at February 3, 2009 10:35 AM

The best part is when he just flat out punks McG .

Posted by: gilp at February 3, 2009 10:45 AM

He needs the same "Anger Management" class that mr.wsapnin had in the 4th grade. Whoever taught that class is a fucking genius, but ruined my man for life. I couldn't pick a fight with him if he caught me blowin' his best friend.

Christian, darling. Don't take your shit too seriously, man. people make mistakes. fucking ass.

Posted by: wsapnin at February 3, 2009 10:45 AM

He can yell at me all he wants, as long as we cuddle after.

Posted by: Marra at February 3, 2009 10:45 AM

In college, I took Greek from a man who was incredibly mean. He didn't yell, but he was great at humiliating people, and he didn't mind doing it. He was a really great teacher, he knew his shit like you would not believe, and had written a truly inspiring dissertation/book on the Odyssey, and I busted my ass to get an A from him. It did not make him less of a dick, but he was really dedicated to his work, and seeing other people do shit work pissed him off, which is why I always gave him a pass. His A was the only one I've ever felt like I really earned.

Oddly enough, the people who really hated him were people who never worked hard, in his or any other, class. People who cared about their college career in the department got it; bullshit artists that couldn't get away with faking it with him always ragged on him. It was nice to learn at that age that people who can't take the heat are the ones that bitch the most.

Posted by: courtney 2 at February 3, 2009 10:45 AM

I like Christian Bale but what he did was highly inappropriate. Everyones job sucks, that doesn't excuse anything. I work at a place where I am regularly chewed out by meth heads and alcohlics, but I never lose my temper in public. Yes he works hard and gets tense but I am guessing the DP works just as hard. Either hold your shit together in public or don't go out. Talent is not an excuse. Also if Kelly Clarkson , or someone of that ilk, pulled this people would be screaming diva up one side of the street and down the other.

Posted by: Jadashay at February 3, 2009 10:46 AM

Jadashay, people are screaming "diva" (or at least, "divo) up and down. Hence all the hullabaloo.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at February 3, 2009 10:52 AM

Clea Shay,

That may sound good, but I could see it going something like this:

CS - Clea Shay
CB - Christian Bale

CS: Performing oral sex
CB: Pushes her head back and screams, "Fuck, what the fuck is it with you?! You don't use your God-damned teeth during a blowjob!"
CS: "I thought you might like it a little"
CB: "No, fuck no! It's fucking distracting! I'm thinking the whole time you're going to bite my dick off!"
CS: "What if I just rub it against the front of my teeth a little?"
CB: "What don't you fucking understand?! Think for one fucking second! No fucking teeth!"
CS: "Do you want me to put my finger in your asshole?"
CB: Gets up and starts putting his clothes on. "Seriously, you and me are done."

Posted by: Soup Sandwich at February 3, 2009 10:53 AM

Have a little pride, Mr. DP.

Heh. Mr. DP. I wonder, on a guy, where is the "double" part coming in?

Posted by: Sabrina at February 3, 2009 10:54 AM

In the long run, I really just don't care about this story, Bale is a great actor and I'll always look forward to his movies.

But I did think he was being a fucking asshole. I can't get behind anyone treating someone with such disdain and disrespect. The DP made a mistake. Fine. You can act annoyed, you can call him out for it in private, but don't humiliate the guy.

I just don't like it when anyone acts like that. I have never, and would never, treat someone like that. I can't stand when people are mean. That makes me sound like a meek little 5 year old, but fuck it. He could have handled his anger better.

Posted by: Julie at February 3, 2009 10:54 AM

Am I the only one who thinks this is actually kind of awesome?

Posted by: kamil at February 3, 2009 11:01 AM

While I would never lambast someone like that for making a mistake or showing disrespect, we should remember that we are hearing three minutes of a process that takes, what, months? It is totally possible that the DP had been engaging in rampant fucktardery for weeks.

Speaking from my own experience, having to redo a bunch of work because of someone elses mistakes is hugely frustrating, as I'm sure we all know.

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 11:02 AM

I think the big thing will be how does he follow up? Does he apologize for a rough day on the set, after being ordered around by that cock who made Charlie's Angels? Or does he, in fact, go Batman on this poor DP?

Folks, we have another Baldwin scenario here...we don't know what came before his temper tantrum, we don't know what his day was like, all we know is a take was ruined and an actor felt he wasn't going to get that performance back.

He shouldn't have gone off that big about it, but I'll take an actor who cares about his fucking performance over his paycheck. So long as he apologizes, and shows some sort of humility in knowing he went full asshole, then I'm ok with him. If he doesn't, my respect will lessen for him, but so long as he doesn't make it a habit we'll be ok.

Posted by: Mike R. at February 3, 2009 11:05 AM

I've learned to tolerate this. One of the greatest actors ever, Marlon Brando, was also a supreme douche. I know he's dead, but he was still an asshole of legendary proportions. Not too surprised by this though, after all, Bale's the god damn batman. (No, I'll never let that go!)

Posted by: George at February 3, 2009 11:09 AM

"Hell, at the gym this morning, it was the first thing I saw on the "Today" show.."

Spare us the details of your OH SO "LA DEE DA" jet-set life Rowles.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at February 3, 2009 11:15 AM

I didn't hear a media outrage over Patti Lupone stopping a performance of the Gypsy revival to berate an audience member for taking three pictures during the show. Certainly not enough for Matt Lauer to get nasty on the Today show. Doesn't seem that different to me (ok, she didn't curse, but she was even nastier, imo).

And I've said much worse to fuck-ups during rehearsals before. Much worse. Some people just don't get it if you speak to them nicely about their mistakes. Some won't stop fucking around on set until someone gets hurt or they are humiliated. Kindness doesn't always work.

And we don't know if Bale or someone else tried to stop him before, either. The clip is missing context, and that's key. It's not like the I Heart Huckabees video where we see the lead up, the snap, and the fallout. This is just the snap.

No, kamil, you aren't alone.

Posted by: Robert at February 3, 2009 11:16 AM

Rowles, is this your way of calling me out for wrongly accusing me of that Zoo Cop, shit? I bitched you out and I'm proud of it. You and me are not through, Rowles.

Also, seriously, haven't we learned that the nation needs a target? We all make choices and some of them aren't the best, but it happens. People will always judge us for the shit we say and do. Acting all aghast and shit when someone of notoriety does something OHMYGODAWFUL (but really not that bad) is our way of coping with the decisions and actions we make. Rationalizing our choices with "at least I'm not him," is gross, but people do it.

Terminator 4 will still make bank, Bale will still get jobs, because he earned them (even if he's not the nicest guy on the block).

Posted by: Kayanne at February 3, 2009 11:16 AM

Look, I'm no saint. I've got an insane temper (looong fuse with a giant bomb at the end) and have been know to throw a fit every now and again.

And yes, I once went ape shit at work. If someone had recorded the few minutes where I ranted and raved, out of context of the situation and before I apologized for my freakout, I sure as shit would have sounded like a psychotic bitchface.

In this incident, I will throw no stones.

Bale's an actor. We pay money to see him entertain us, not necessarily to be a paragon of virtue and the nicest guy on the block.

Posted by: Alabamapink at February 3, 2009 11:26 AM

Someone needs to do a mashup of Bales rant to the music of Walking on Sunshine.

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 11:27 AM

Hell I'm thinking of bringing this little audio into the bedroom to spice things up.

I too have an insane temper, I am able to keep it in check though 95% of the time.

Upset, no. Surprised, no. Funny, yes!

Posted by: Be Adequite! at February 3, 2009 11:31 AM

I think of it like a hockey fight. Emotions are high, this kind of thing probably happens on some scale or other all the time, but you take it out of context and put it in the public eye and people tut-tut. Of course this isn't the first time Bale has flown off the handle, but really as a public we're probably too dippy and put up with too much dicking around; see our public servants.

Posted by: Eep at February 3, 2009 11:32 AM

Thanks Dustin, and those who made the excellent point about context. This is pretty much the Baldwin thing all over again. I get that it was out of line, but the guy is just that: a guy. He isn't perfect. It is possible for him to lose it. As Mike R. said, as long as it isn't a constant thing, and he makes amends with the guy, then what is the problem?

As I said before: if you have a problem with him being that serious about his work, then don't complain when your next childhood memory is raped six ways to Sunday by Miley Cyrus.

I still say, regardless of how inappropriate it was, IT WAS FUCKING FUNNY.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 11:33 AM

Gordon Ramsey does this all the time and people love him for it. They give him TV shows and buy his books because of it. They say it's great that he's so passionate about his craft. So is it only entertaining when it's a chef?

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 3, 2009 11:47 AM

A little context: this happened over the summer, just a few days after the situation with his mother and sister following the release of TDK, so Bale was already stirred-up, and it wasn't the first time the DP had interrupted a scene.

Posted by: Rykker at February 3, 2009 12:02 PM

PaddyDog

Brilliant analogy.

Posted by: Alabamapink at February 3, 2009 12:03 PM

Okay, I finally gave in and listened to the tirade. I laughed my ass off. I'm pretty sure I've screamed some similar threats and annoyances at Mr. McGee for leaving socks in the middle of the living room floor or farting in my general direction after repeatedly being implored to NOT DO THAT, so I understand. I do generally go back to Mr. McGee and apologize, citing stress, exhaustion, PMS, or whatever, so hopefully Bale does the same with the dipshit DP. I don't think anyone else needs or deserves an apology from Bale, though. Unless that apology comes with (insert euphemism for cock here). Then he can apologize to me for hours.

Posted by: Dangle McGee at February 3, 2009 12:04 PM

Substitute Katherine Heigle with Bale in this situation, and then tell me what the reaction would be?

Posted by: Farthammer at February 3, 2009 12:09 PM

Of course then he went home and was promptly accused of attacking his family, correct? Perhaps he should talk to Phelps, mellow out a little.

Posted by: MrCreosote at February 3, 2009 12:12 PM

Never mind the actor's temper tantrum. Where on Earth was the director when this mess was taking shape? The director's the field commander. It's his responsibility to be sure everyone & everything runs smoothly. He's the one who needs to account for his cast's behavior, his crew's whereabouts & his production's overall performance. His job includes defusing situations when they get heated, not sitting by performing personal cranial proctology examinations. He should have stepped up and taken charge of the situation long before it escalated to that point. Joseph "McG" McGinty Nichol let his set get out of hand. He's clearly the weak link.

Posted by: Bleujayone at February 3, 2009 12:25 PM

I thought the same thing, Farthammer. I'm a huge fan of Bale's, but that was just rude. People fuck up, it happens. Having a screaming row like that is just inappropriate. But if this happened to someone like Heigl, we'd be roasting her in a minute. It's just easier to make excuses for CB.

Posted by: Brie at February 3, 2009 12:26 PM

The big difference is that Bale is actually good at what he does. When someone (Heigl) goes on a rant about shitty material when she is, in fact, a shitty actress; that's just hypocritical.

By the way punctuation nazis, is that the correct use of a semi-colon.

No, seriously.

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 12:40 PM

Substitute Katherine Heigle with Bale in this situation, and then tell me what the reaction would be?

You mean instead of how she passive-aggressively waited until everyone was feeling all good about their work and getting acclaim, THEN shit on them? Probably the same as we did before.

While you are all so eager to say the DP screwed up, you don't want to give the same benefit of a doubt to Bale and his outburst. Nobody said what he did was acceptable, just understandable.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 12:48 PM

Farthammer and Brie, fuck that. I never understood the disdain for Heigl. If she did this? I would be LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

This rant can be ripped right out of my mouth during any given kickball game I'm playing. It's usually gets half the people laughing and a few people calling "inappropriate"...everyone's gonna react differently.

As someone who curses and screams on a semi-regular basis, I'm just gonna listen to this awesome remix all day.

Posted by: jamiepants at February 3, 2009 12:49 PM

I'd still jump him. Repeatedly.

Posted by: figgy at February 3, 2009 12:50 PM

PaddyDog I think the obvious distinction her is that Ramsey has an arsenal of knives at arm's length, which makes it fucking hysterical.

Posted by: Kayanne at February 3, 2009 12:50 PM

I think it's funny how all the news reports call the DP "a crew member." I mean sure, he's not "the talent," but it's not like he's some freakin' dolly grip or something - he's the DP, the Cinematographer. It's not like he doesn't know what he's doing. He's the guy that makes the Director's vision come true, and on the credits comes right after Original Music. Maybe Christian Bale was being all weird and no one knew he was actually "doing his thang." I agree with the above poster - where was the Director when all this was happening and I also agree with another above poster who says this story's zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: surly suzie at February 3, 2009 1:12 PM

Couple things (sorry for the length):
1. Contrary to popular belief, a set can be an extremely tense place. Even dangerous. Stunts go wrong. People can, and actually have, been killed. Concentration is paramount. DP walking through a take? That is stupid, wrong and incredibly unprofessional. The world Bale uses only just a little bit less than "fuck" is "Professional". It happened on set, not in a restaurant.

2. How did this recording get leaked in the first place? I can only assume that it was the sound department who recorded it and it got out. I know a boom operator and, while they do hear everything that goes on on set (and hence know everything that is going on on set), it is considered extremely unprofessional to tape these things, let alone release them. If this is the case, that asshole should get canned.

3. I've worked on sets for a long time. There is rampant confusion, tension, and fucknuttery going on all the time. Deadlines, high stress, and a lot riding on what is put into the camera. It's not just fucking up a TPS report. One bad movie, one bad scene, can ruin a career, if not a company. And while tempers should be held in check, I beleieve a person is allowed one really good tantrum. But only one. It had better be deserved, it had better be good, and then it had better be done with.

4. Acting is also an icredibly intimate job. You are dealing with extremely private things that are being looked at. Maybe not so much in stupid movies, but it is still the case. Like being walked in on while tossing one off. Great if you *know* someone is watching and you can work up a good fantasy or something. Not so much if it's your Mom, or the hotel cleaning crew. The point is, that it takes a lot of concentration to get to the point of a scene and do it justice. Then to have a DP walk through the scene, when more than anyone, he should know what's going on, is not just not just distracting and disrespectful, it's actually quite rude arrogant; akin to saying "what you are doing is just so insignificant compared to my precious little lights".

Verdict: DP fucked up in a tense situation where he should have known better. Bale flipped and had a rant. Sound dpt. taped it and released this unguarded moment. Bale could have handled it better, yes, but so could have a whole line of other people.

Thanks for your time

Posted by: Odnon at February 3, 2009 1:37 PM

There are generally two variables at play in regards to the people you have to work with: niceness and competence. This leads to four basic permutations, ideal types if you will:

1. Nice and competent: the best of all possible worlds, the one you want to work with. Becomes non-existent at the very extreme levels of competence, because genius is generally linked with being an ass. That's a whole other article to write. Oh and fuck you.

2. Nice and incompetent: the absolute worst type to deal with because they're incompetent and in calling them on it, you constantly have to feel like a dick.

3. Asshole and incompetent: the absolutely easiest type to deal with because you just fire them, or sabotage them gleefully and guilt-free until someone else fires them.

4. Asshole and competent: the guy is a dick but he gets the job done. As the competence curve gets higher and higher, the level of assholeness you can tolerate goes higher in proportion. Obviously nice/competent would be preferable, but a competent asshole is infinitely easier to deal with than an incompetent nice guy on a day to day basis.

Posted by: stipe42 at February 3, 2009 1:45 PM

And my spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes. Anyone care to have a rant at me?

Posted by: Odnon at February 3, 2009 1:45 PM

Pffffffft.

I still haven't gotten advice on my use of a semi-colon. Apparently the punctuation/grammar nazis are "working" today.

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 2:10 PM

Eh. This man can do no wrong in my eyes. It's a sad fact.

Posted by: Nika at February 3, 2009 2:16 PM

A four-minute rant? On the set of the damn Terminator in a scene with Bryce Dallas fucking Howard? I mean, come on. I can see a swift blow-up (followed by a swifter apology), but something that goes on that long is beyond the pale. It sounds like it happened a couple of times, but it's highly UNprofessional to devote four minutes to deriding a colleague publicly for his alleged lack of professionalism. That kind of thing should be privately and reasonably addressed.

"because genius is generally linked with being an ass"

Meh - a bullshit excuse. There's plenty of actors, authors, poets, politicians, musicians who are brilliant and NOT assholes. I was just reading a piece in the New Yorker, for example, about John Updike and how gracious and lovely he was to work with. Bale is talented and I do enjoy watching him, but he's clearly a temperamental pain-in-the-ass to deal with.

Posted by: samantha t at February 3, 2009 3:07 PM

By far my favourite part of the entire rant was the fact that Bale switches between the American accent he uses in the film and his native welsh accent. The angrier he gets, the more welsh he sounds.

Posted by: phinnaeus at February 3, 2009 3:26 PM

"Dude was being a supreme asshole. But most of us have been supreme assholes at some point or another"

True, but then again why does this site berate Katherine Heigel (or whatever her name is) for doing essentially the same thing to her writers?

Posted by: Mark at February 3, 2009 3:31 PM

Considering that the best flick on the DP's resume (as a Grip) is Phantasm II I'm thinking he may not be a stellar talent to begin with. Did he deserve to be berated? Who knows. Maybe he's a fuck up like some on here have said, and Bale (who is kind of notorious for really investing in a role) just had enough.

Or maybe Bale is a bit of a prick. I'd hazard that 95% of the made actors and actresses out there are insufferable prima donnas based on the fact I can't stand most of the "undiscovered" actors I've met in my life for exactly that reason. And they don't even have cause, I can't imagine how awful it must be to interact with someone who is told hundred times a day that he is God's gift to the theater.

That said, the remix is pretty great.

Posted by: TylerDFC at February 3, 2009 4:27 PM

True, but then again why does this site berate Katherine Heigel (or whatever her name is) for doing essentially the same thing to her writers?

The question has been asked and answered three times already. Pick a new argument.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 4:37 PM

Everyone's talking about what a "great" actor he is as some kind of excuse. He's making a freaking Terminator movie - the whole "flipping out because I'm passionate about my ART" boat has already sailed... Stop making excuses. This guy is not only one of the most overrated actors ever, but clearly also an unstable and arrogant jerk. And he's also since insisted that the DP be fired or he's going to walk off set for good. That's why they kept the recording of his outburst. We don't have to go on and on about it, I agree, let's just accept that he's a dick and move on.

Posted by: Layla at February 3, 2009 5:25 PM

Is it terribly wrong that while I was listening to the (highly groove-able) Remix of Abuse all I could think was: "Ugh he's so hot it should be illegal"?
I know I should care more about the content and the fact that he's possibly a bad bad man, but it's hard for me to concentrate when he's that damn pretty.
I'll go and join some kind of support group now shall I?

Posted by: Squeeziee at February 3, 2009 5:27 PM

Let's put it this way - if your co-worker, who earns $20000 a year (probably what Bale makes in a week) and puts up with the soulless grind and asshole bosses day in day out for 20 years were to snap like that - they'd be fired. People get pushed to the edge in shitty jobs every single day, and I guarantee not even 1% act like this. Bale gets paid millions to do what he loves, so in my mind there's even less justification for this abusive behavior, not more.

Ok, I really will stop going on about it now....

Posted by: Layla at February 3, 2009 5:40 PM

Rowles you are a fucking hypocrite, and so is that magic negro out of Atlanta you've got writing for you. All you motherfuckers that are going to give Bale and that DOPE SMOKING swimmer a free pass are also hypocrites. Let a black man show his ass on a movie set and lets see how forgiven you motherfuckers are. Let a black man get caught SMOKING DOPE and lets see how forgiven you sons of bitches are. You motherfuckers disgust me.

Posted by: Pookie at February 3, 2009 5:41 PM

Rowles you are a fucking hypocrite

I don't think that words means what you think it means.

Posted by: stipe42 at February 3, 2009 5:45 PM

"Disgust" is Pookanese for "complete".

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 5:55 PM

Okay. Fucking please. A little perspective, shall we? They'd refilm the scene, at worst. Or just start from where they left off. I deal in pain meds, people. Do you know what happens when someone fucks up on my job? We don't all take one step back and then repeat a fucking line, oh no. He should take his job seriously. He shouldn't jump up people's ass.

And if you think I'm wrong, please, explain to me how it was even Bale's job to handle that screwup? Isn't that the director's job? The guy got in the way, how tragic. Did they lose a minute or two? Yeah. Did it break Bale out of his groove? Yeah. But how many minutes did they lose with Bale throwing that fit? How many people had to stand around and stare awkwardly while this guy has to just take Bale's shit because, hey, he's Christian fucking Bale. He's a serious actor.

When I attack actors for not taking their jobs seriously, I'm doing it because they take roles in films like Hotel for Dogs, Scary Movie. Because when they do shit films like that they are wasting people's time and money. And I hate coworkers who waste my time, but you know what I hate even more? Coworkers who take their shit too seriously. And that's all this is.

Posted by: Sara at February 3, 2009 5:58 PM

Let's put it this way - if your co-worker, who earns $20000 a year (probably what Bale makes in a week) and puts up with the soulless grind and asshole bosses day in day out for 20 years were to snap like that - they'd be fired.

Really? Let's ignore the bad analogy for now.

Are you honestly saying that, if a regular guy was dicked around at his job, and then told them off, he wouldn't a) be ready to walk off anyway, and b) somehow be RIGHT in his assessment, regardless of how he delivered it? Yes, there would be retaliation, but that doesn't make his point any less valid. But you are arguing that, by virtue of the form it took, his problem should be invalidated. That somehow his being an asshole diminished the assholery of those he rail against.

Now let's put the flawed analogy back in. You honestly want to compared a regular guy, who is easily replaceable anyway (especially in this economy), to an actor who just came off of one of the biggest blockbusters of the decade, whose very presence probably entailed heavy negotiations and a not-so-easy-to-swallow paycheck, and who is going to have to be the face of the project for the next year or so?

Yes, Bale was being an asshole. And if you feel like that is enough reason to write him off, then have a nice day. Me? I know I can be twice as dickish on a bad day, so I am willing to give the guy a chance at least. Besides, if all it took to turn me off of someone was them saying something wildly inappropriate and threatening, I wouldn't be here at Pajiba, now would I?

Let a black man show his ass on a movie set and lets see how forgiven you motherfuckers are. Let a black man get caught SMOKING DOPE and lets see how forgiven you sons of bitches are.

Are you promoting a film or something? Do we have another actor in our midst? Huzzah! Although you may want to reign in the ass-showing. It isn't that well appreciated, it seems.

And as long as that black man ain't smoking dope in a fat suit and/or dress, I couldn't care less.

I don't think that words means what you think it means.

His words never mean what he thinks they mean.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 6:14 PM

admin: That is an incorrect use of a semicolon; a comma would have worked fine. Think of it like this; when you have written a phrase which could itself be a sentence, but which you don't want to make a sentence for reasons of style or flow, then you use a semicolon.

Odnon: I don't see any mistakes in your post. Then again, I tend to glide over punctuation mistakes in large blocks of text if the argument is coherent and well written, so perhaps you do have a few.

Posted by: Julian at February 3, 2009 6:25 PM

My point is that a white athlete can get photographed smoking dope and whole world yawns, a white actor can berate, belittle, and curse out some poor slob and you motherfuckers thinks its cute. That is my point magic negro, and if you didn't have your head so far up Rowles's ass you would be able to comprehend what the fuck is going on. You motherfuckers can focus on me using the wrong words all you want to, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a double standard here.

Posted by: Pookie at February 3, 2009 6:29 PM

Paging Gregory House...

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at February 3, 2009 6:30 PM

When I attack actors for not taking their jobs seriously, I'm doing it because they take roles in films like Hotel for Dogs, Scary Movie.

Here we go with the flawed comparisons again.

A multi-million dollar film trying to resuscitate a franchise when the majority of your target audience thinks it will fail is JUST LIKE a kids film about dogs or a wankoff parody film. Totally similar, because they all have lights, and cameras, and actors. So of course, the stresses are the same, the demands are the same, the people are the same.

TOTALLY THE SAME.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 6:34 PM

Just admit that you are ok with the outburst because you love Bale and would not be acting like this were it Heigle, and we can move on Vermillion. It's ok to play favorites as long as you admit it.

Posted by: Rick at February 3, 2009 6:45 PM

Here we go with the flawed comparisons again.

A multi-million dollar film trying to resuscitate a franchise when the majority of your target audience thinks it will fail is JUST LIKE a kids film about dogs or a wankoff parody film. Totally similar, because they all have lights, and cameras, and actors. So of course, the stresses are the same, the demands are the same, the people are the same.

TOTALLY THE SAME.

In what world is that totally the same? And how was that an a analogy? It was a clarification, yes. WTF?

Posted by: Sara at February 3, 2009 7:04 PM

Aw, jeez. Just pretend I did that tag right, okay?

Posted by: Sara at February 3, 2009 7:06 PM

My point is that a white athlete can get photographed smoking dope and whole world yawns, a white actor can berate, belittle, and curse out some poor slob and you motherfuckers thinks its cute.

I though it was funny, not cute.

And black athletes have gotten away with worse than fucking weed. Please, give one name, one singular name of a black athlete who smoked weed and got blasted for it on this site. JUST ONE. PLEASE.

As far as you ad hominem "magic negro" remark, I simply take that to mean you are just talking out of your ass. Again. But if anyone wants to jump in and applaud THIS time, feel free.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 7:10 PM

The man clearly just needs a spanking. I'll go get the belt...

Posted by: greer at February 3, 2009 7:21 PM

Aw, jeez. Just pretend I did that tag right, okay?

Don't worry, I will.

In what world is that totally the same? And how was that an a analogy? It was a clarification, yes. WTF?

1) I should have added the /sarcasm.

2) In fact, that was kinda the point of my post anyway.

3) It read like you were arguing that, because those actors were in less-serious movies, that they should have been more serious about taking them. Yet you say that an actor in a more serious movie should be less serious about being in it. Basically, that the actor's dedication to the project should be inversely proportional to the quality of the film itself. I did not agree with that.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 7:22 PM

Alright, Harry Knowles set me straight. Like he always does...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39984

Posted by: annoyingmouse at February 3, 2009 7:24 PM

Making movies is a stressful business.

When you think you've just delivered the best performance of the day or a scene just worked perfectly that hasn't worked on any other take that day and some fucking... When somebody screws that up, you get a bit miffed.

I've been there.

People should move on. I seriously doubt Bale would be wasting any more emotional energy on this little snafu if it wasn't for the fact that there are now a hundred B-grade and C to fucking F-grade celebrities now whining "well, I would never do something so unprofessional!"

Fuck off. Matt Lauer can eat it!

Posted by: Bane at February 3, 2009 8:09 PM

Why has no one put that rant to "It's Hip to Be Square"?

Posted by: Fredo at February 3, 2009 8:15 PM

Sure V, I'll admit I'm talking out of my ass again, as soon as you admit that don't have a good goddamn reason for excusing Bale's behavior. But if it were Heigle that went psycho on a motherfucker you'd be on here talking shit as you usually do. See V, I know I'm an asshole and I don't pretend to be something different. But you my friend, you think your fart don't stink.

Posted by: Pookie at February 3, 2009 8:16 PM

What the hell are you talking about? I already addressed the Heigl comparison (which was another weak one). And I gave several reasons for FORGIVING his behavior, not excusing it. I repeatedly said he is wrong for screaming, but I understood why he would be that mad.

But you are too busy being everybody's favorite asshole to bother paying attention.

I am quite aware my fart stinks, to use your crude little remark; I just don't act like somebody else's can't stink too.

P.S. Got that name yet?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 8:28 PM

I would just like to say thank-you to Julian for clarifying the use of a semi-colon.

Please don't hit me.

Posted by: admin at February 3, 2009 8:41 PM

V, Sir, I see no need for you to berate me, quite frankly I'm appalled at your behavior. My concern was that you appear to extend Mr. Bale a courtesy that should have been extended to Ms.Heigl as well since you are in the FORGIVING mood.

Posted by: Pookie at February 3, 2009 8:55 PM

Whatever with this asshole. You're an actor; if you can pretend the camera doesn't exist, you can pretend the DP's not there. Anybody else at any other job would be promptly shown the door for this behavior, and I'm not buying any excuses for this prick.

P.S., Bale -- it's TERMINATOR 4. Get a fucking grip.

Posted by: bev rage at February 3, 2009 9:05 PM

V, Sir, I see no need for you to berate me, quite frankly I'm appalled at your behavior.

You come in here, going off and calling me a "magic negro" and "all in Dustin's ass", and then want to backtrack like it was nothing.

They may be entertained by your ridiculousness, but I'm not. You want to act like an idiot, then do so. You want to act like a human being, then do so. Don't expect me to treat you otherwise.

And THAT, folks, is how anybody CAN GET THAT FUCKING ANGRY.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 3, 2009 9:37 PM

Is it weird that I could listen to Bale say "fuck" all day?

Posted by: Melissa at February 3, 2009 10:03 PM

Has anyone yet suggested that its probably just the roids acting up? I've always suspected him using steriods the way he put on and dropped not just weight but hundreds of pounds of muscle. Or maybe he was having a bad day. Or he, much like the Russell Crowes before him, finally bought into his own greatest actor ever hype, which can only cause you to be an asshole.

Posted by: c at February 3, 2009 10:22 PM

Calm down V, you should know me by now. I appreciate your passion, but lets not get all carried away. Now, can you please tell me what exactly I said to get you all upset?

Posted by: Pookie at February 3, 2009 11:06 PM

The Heigl analogy is interesting in that I'd like to see ANY female actor pull this shit and get away with it. Can you even imagine Kate Winslet, Laura Linney, Tilda Swinton, or any other serious actress doing this and having it attributed to their craft?

Posted by: samantha t at February 3, 2009 11:08 PM

I kinda said this before but...hell - I'll go one further...

You know what makes me want to scream? All the f*cking morons of the world who can't do their jobs properly! ARRRGH! It's like 80% of the people out there cannot function - whether it's serving coffee, selling paint or being a got-damned CEO. ARRRGGGH!

I've been on set with has-been d-listers going insane for some reason or another, and I've also seen some pretty damn talented people suffer the mistakes of every yahoo-day dreaming fool wrecking their shit.

The pressure on that set is something we thankfully don't have to deal with - too much riding on his ability to make believe convincingly. It is REALLY HARD TO DO WELL, just like anything else. Ulcer level stress to revive a franchise, believe it.

He gets a pass from me and maybe just because very few folks think there's much value in what he does or how he does it, but then again we've all congregated here on a film site. Strange, huh?

Nobody would be surprised if some idiot threw a beachball at a gymnast during her floor routine and she got pissed off about it. Especially if years of work and high expectations were attached to her performance. Context is important.

So in conclusion, if the guy can't do his job properly, he shouldn't be there.

Posted by: replica at February 3, 2009 11:18 PM

Replica, I think most people here believe there's value in acting. I don't know that anyone here is snobby enough to say otherwise.

I think people are just saying he showed his ass. Not that he should be burned at the stake, or blacklisted from films. Just, he acted like a douche.

Posted by: Sara at February 4, 2009 1:31 AM

Dude, I once had a law professor who, first year, actually carried a whip and cracked it to punctuate his lecture. If he called on someone, and they didn't know the answer, he'd hand them a Burger King job application and tell them to get the fuck out of his class. Of course, by the second year of law school, he was my favorite professor. Weird.

Maybe Christian Bale should have been a law professor - they're harsh by trade!

Posted by: agent bedhead at February 4, 2009 2:50 AM

(Pardon my english if it sucks, I'm swedish.)

Okay, I admit that I think Bale's behavior, though hilarious in many ways, was very unprofessional, rude and completely unacceptable. But here's what I don't get - do we really have to assume that he is a "bad" person just because he got very, very angry one day and said things he shouldn't have, something that I myself and many people I know are also guilty of, and still, I don't hate them (or me) and think that they're bad people. They made a mistake, just as Bale did, sometimes because they can have a bad temper, which is a strong possibility that he has as well. Now he may still be an asshole in real life, but we don't know that, because none of us know him personally. Who knows what he was feeling at the time, why he reacted that way, what happened before and after and so on. The circumstances may not excuse him, but I don't think we should judge a person, who we don't know, based solely on a four-minute rant. And besides, in this day and age, haven't we all learned, with all the "information" we get from tabloids and the internet especially, that we can't always like the people we admire, despite their talents and ability to entertain us?

Posted by: MFS at February 4, 2009 3:40 AM

Calm down V, you should know me by now. I appreciate your passion, but lets not get all carried away. Now, can you please tell me what exactly I said to get you all upset?

Screw that. It's not like you even care anyway. It may be a joke to you, but it ain't funny to me. So screw that. Go play your little games with someone else.

I think people are just saying he showed his ass. Not that he should be burned at the stake, or blacklisted from films. Just, he acted like a douche.

Actually, people ARE saying he should have been fired from the film, or that they won't see any more of his work because of this. If that isn't being blacklisted, it is certainly close.

I am going to say this again: nobody is saying he was right to yell at the guy. Just that it was understandable.

or better yet:

do we really have to assume that he is a "bad" person just because he got very, very angry one day and said things he shouldn't have, something that I myself and many people I know are also guilty of, and still, I don't hate them (or me) and think that they're bad people.

That is the whole point I am making.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 4, 2009 8:04 AM

Haven't yet heard the clip, haven't yet read the comments, haven't made up my mind whether I would care if Bale WAS being a total dick because I know I still think he's one of our best living actors, one of the few child actors who survived that and is still a player in the field. And I think if anyone doubts how good he is, or how committed, they should watch The Machinist. But I will say this:


Acting is hard enough. And I mostly do stage acting, where the environment, believe it or not, is more realistic than most sound stage sets. You gotta do all the work that people are expecting you to do to carry the project, to earn that big money, in an environment that is a thousand and one ways likely to distract you. And you gotta do it to an unforgiving lens that will capture EVERY FACIAL NUANCE that you bring and will preserve it forever.


Is it really so much to ask for there to be a clear sight line so that no one walks behind the person you're trying to act with? That nobody coughs, drops a tray or makes a phone call?


I'm not saying that the Director of Photography doesn't work hard. He does. Everyone on a set does. The difference -- and it's a crucial fricking difference -- is that their work happens BEFORE the take. All that setting up, the lights, the mikes, the costume, the props? All that happens BEFORE the take. The point is, at the moment of the take, all the preparation work has been done... to prepare for the take.


All those hours spent setting up, THAT is their work time. That time is essential, and it is given, so the work can be done well. The take is the ACTOR'S work time. Why the hell shouldn't they own it? Again, I'm not saying I think he was being a dick: I'm saying that if you and I are working, and you mess with my very narrow window which I have to do my job... I'd be pissed too.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 8:32 AM

Don't know whether this is to be trusted or not, but it sounds about right: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39984

Posted by: Mike R. at February 4, 2009 9:14 AM

Long time lurker but I have to jump in to say to all those people going on and on about the importance of the craft and how "hard" it is to do his job and the tension on the set, blah blah blah . . . um, he's a fucking actor. He plays dress up and make believe for a very substantial living. Its entertainment. This muthafucka is not a neonatologist pulling tiny little babies back from the brink of death. This is why these assholes feel entitled to behave this way -- because we as a society have convinced them that their fucking shucking and jiving exempts them from the same basic rules that the rest of humanity must follow. And its completely unacceptable bullshit. And frankly, I agree with Pookie and all the others who say that a black man or a Heigl (i.e. woman) would not get away with that abuse. Hello?! Isaiah Washington anyone?? I didnt see anybody lining up to defend his behavior when he got into a fight with a coworker on set and said abusive and inappropriate shit. There was no outcry for context and understanding over his use of an admittedly offensive word in the heat of the moment. It IS a double standard and frankly, as a woman of color, I resent the hell out of it, especially coming from people like those on this site who are supposed to be too intelligent to fall for the okey doke.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 10:43 AM

Sorry, Sparkle. Disagree. The fact that's entertainment doesn't mean there's not enormous pressure and money riding on it, and the fact that it isn't saving the world or saving somebody's life doesn't make it not hard to do. I'm not saying it's as important as, er, neonatologist work. I'm just saying that because your job is "just acting" doesn't mean they don't take it seriously. I'm an actor, and I take it very seriously. It's my life's work. Damn right I wanna do it well.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 10:54 AM

^
Do it well but dont go apeshit on a guy for what amounts to a minor mistake. Shit happens. A guy walking past CB's eyeline didnt decimate the global economy or cause anyone to lose their lives. Frankly, if he's that good at his job and given that he IS in fact the one that the whole enterprise is riding on, then he should be professional enough to not be distracted by a dude walking past, and then deal with it at the end of the scene. Perhaps have a word with the director. Public humiliation of an underling is never called for.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 11:07 AM

Again... the fact that it doesn't save anyone's life doesn't make it easy. And really, I have to say, being good at this job does not equate to being closed off. Rather the opposite. We don't expect surgeons (who save lives) or typists (who don't) to do their job with someone tapping in their ear or whistling.


And no, I disagree too that the quiet word with the director is the way to go. Do you have any idea how much preparation-- by everyone involved, really-- goes into getting a shot ready? It's ASSUMED that people in the business know enough not to interfere with a scene. Whether I'm a stage hand or the leading man, I don't screw around when someone else is working.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 11:21 AM

The point is not whether or not his job is hard . . . its rather that no matter his job, treating someone who is considerably lower on the totem pole than you in such a manner, makes you an insufferable dick. And I maintain that unless somebody is about to die because of the mistake, that shit is uncalled for. Nobody can behave that way in their workplace without there being consequences -- and this dude will too experience the consequences if this is his typical behavior. I am an associate attorney at a very large international law firm and I assure you that even the partners (at some stage) are called out for the way they treat the people who work for them. It matters and if you think for one second that it doesnt, then you are either very young with a lot to learn or also a dick (or both).

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 11:28 AM

That is an amazing song. I really like the lyrics, too. Exactly what I need for bingo night.

Posted by: Victor at February 4, 2009 11:39 AM

Although I will grant you that, on this set, everybody is probably lower on that totem pole than CB, the guy in question is the director of photography. The guy is in a position of a fair amount of authority. It's not like somebody shooting the pool boy.


Which doesn't really matter to what we're discussing. I don't like that kind of behavior, I really don't. And I'm not condoning it. But so far as I can understand, there was a guy, in the business, who knew that you don't interfere with a scene when it's being shot, and he did. Granted, it's an industry that fosters a certain diva-like style of behavior, which I also don't like. And I wouldn't step up (certainly not to this level, a midnight exchange of pajiba posts) to defend it in very many people. But this actor, I consider to be not just talented, not just capable, but professional. I respect his work ethic. And so, in this case, I feel compelled to say that with THIS guy, I'm willing to believe that the other guy did something which, in a similar situation, i myself would have reacted to similarly. So it would be hypocritical of me not to speak up and say so.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 11:41 AM

Victor, that was surreal, until I remembered that it was a sound file that started all this. I really thought you had wandered in from the set of Blue Velvet. =)

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 11:44 AM

Hello?! Isaiah Washington anyone?? I didnt see anybody lining up to defend his behavior when he got into a fight with a coworker on set and said abusive and inappropriate shit.

Ah yes, because saying "fuck" a lot is totally comparable to saying someone is "not your faggot, like (so and so)". Didn't he also pretend like he DIDN'T say it at first, only to say it again at an awards show, and then went to REHAB for it? And didn't he pretty much get a new gig, only it was on a(nother) crap show that got cancelled? If Bale whipped out the n-word, then you may have something. But saying it is even remotely the same level of offense is a stretch.

And again with the Heigl comparison? I will say this again: the woman waited until AFTER she got her nominations and accolades before she started dogging folks out. She had no problems during the production, but as soon as she got some attention from it, then she wanted to complain. She did it on Roswell, she did it on Knocked Up, and she did it on Grey's Anatomy.

In fact, I do beleive that quite a few folks were offended that Heigl complained about Washington, so which one trumps out?

But since you want to play this game: I wonder how Don Imus, Michael Richards, and John McCain would feel about this assertion that white guys get away with saying stupid/offensive shit all the time. As far as women getting away with it, you got Sarah Palin (who is still at it), Nancy Grace (who drove a woman to suicide), and nearly every Hollywood starlet with booze on her breath.

But like I said, if you are so adamant about this being so unforgivable, it is your perogative. But saying that not being offended is tantamout to racism/sexism is ridiculous.

The point is not whether or not his job is hard . . . its rather that no matter his job, treating someone who is considerably lower on the totem pole than you in such a manner, makes you an insufferable dick.

1) That was your point though...otherwise, why compare acting to "play dressup and make believe"? Or say how his job doesn't affect the economy or save people's lives? You were making the point that because it doesn't involve those things, it couldn't possibly cause that kind of stress on a person.

2) The DP isn't low on the totem pole. As pointed out in several comments, the guy is quite important and his actions were quite unprofessional by any standard. This wasn't some coffee-wielding gofer. Consideirng that there is an Oscar category for it, the last thing I would consider the position is low on the totem pole.

3) It has also been made clear that the DP did this multiple times, and had been addressed by various cast and crew about it multiple times. But he did it again anyway. If someone is that oblivious, can you honestly say you can continue to be patient with them?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 4, 2009 11:46 AM

The guy's still a dick. Every workplace -- I'm sure even a film set has ways to deal with incompetents. If the dude was that bad then the director fucked up in not getting rid of him sooner.

And as for this Vermillion person that thinks he's so clever, my point stands. This shit aint life and death. It is nothing that cant be handled in a more dignified and professional manner. I assume that you do consider your craft to be a profession, right? If CB had just got pissed off, cussed the guy out and then moved on, I could see it. But dude went on a five minute public tirade because the guy was in his eyeline. Get the fuck outta here. Thats just prime dickery right there.

And Karstark, I confess to being otherwise indifferent about CB, and I respect your opinion of him and his work. But this makes twice now that this guy has been outed for aggressive and unreasonable behavior and twice now that it has been somebody else's fault. I'm just saying . . . I smell the next Russell Crowe.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 12:03 PM

Oh, and btw Vermillion, I dont play with children so no I dont want to play "this game" or any other game with you.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 12:16 PM

Oh, and btw Vermillion, I dont play with children so no I dont want to play "this game" or any other game with you.

Hey, you are the one throwing around the racism/sexism accusations, claiming to be offended as a black woman. I simply brought up examples of the contrary.

And no, it isn't a game. People are ready to bite the man's head off because.....he bit another man's head off. Does that make much sense? If Bale should have been more forgiving of the DP, why can't I or anyone else be forgiving of Bale, especially without it being some sort of slight against women or black people?

And as I said before, a hell of a lot worse is said on these comment sections everyday on seemingly trivial matters. It doesn't mean the commenters are themselves homicidal maniacs. They just get out of hand whne they are passionate about something. But somehow, it is okay when it is anonymous and distant, but the same cannot be said for an actual confrontation?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 4, 2009 12:43 PM

I assure you that even the partners (at some stage) are called out for the way they treat the people who work for them. It matters and if you think for one second that it doesnt, then you are either very young with a lot to learn or also a dick (or both).

Just to throw an observation in here... I am neither young nor a dick, and I have seen many people treat those who work under them like absolute shite without any consequence whatsoever.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at February 4, 2009 12:51 PM

I really am sorry I missed all this discussion. Interesting.

And, as much as it pains me to say this, I'd say I have to agree with Pookie in this debate.

I think it is totally inappropriate to act like such a jackass. I don't care who you are, it's just not cool (or it's uncool, as Jen Aniston would say). I don't happen to know any celebrities, but I do know a lot of self-important assholes in the field of law (partners, law professors) that think it's okay to treat others like complete crap because of what they've accomplished or because they think they're the smartest person to ever grace the earth with their presence. I've also known self-important assholes that teach junior high math, are cheerleading coaches or student body presidents, or are merely high school basketball players. You start with the premise that accomplishments or talents give you license to shit on those less accomplished or talented, it soon becomes a very slippery slope.

On the other hand, I've met incredibly intelligent, successful, and wealthy people who are kind and down to earth and make it a point to never lord their power or success over anyone. People who would never dream of attacking someone the way Bale did in that clip. It is possible. You don't HAVE to be a jerk because you're accomplished (or even extraordinarily gifted).

Yes, the rant itself is kind of funny, and if it were a tv show or movie and not reality, it would probably be hilarious. But I don't know how people can say it's okay or even understandable for Bale to act that way.

I've been super pissed and stressed before. I'm a woman, and once a month my hormones are a-raging. But I've NEVER talked to anyone like that - not a customer service rep, not a sales clerk, nobody. I'm not always syrupy and I've gotten tense and pissy, but I've never given myself permission to just unload on someone. It doesn't take that much self-control to avoid crossing that line.

I dumped a fairly serious boyfriend because he unleashed a rant like that on some lady who (blatantly and purposely) cut in front of us in the security check line at the airport. She was wrong, but so was his dick-ish tirade. That's how much I promote a basic level of respect and self-control in the way people treat others.

And I think y'all are full of shit if you say that ANY actress wouldn't be berated on this site and every other for behaving in this matter, and called a diva and a bitch and everything else.

So, in sum, I completely and totally disagree with the idea that accomplishments give you an excuse to act like a tantrum-throwing adolescent, or to be excessively cruel like Bale.

Also think it's totally fair to let this affect my opinion of Bale in general. Today, actors aren't just faces on a screen. We see inside their personal lives and how successful they are is in part a result of how much the public likes them (or at least their off-screen persona and reputation). Take Heigel, for instance. I initially thought of her as the cute girl on GA, and kind of liked her. Now? Can't stand her because she's a self-important ass. She's not the worst actress ever, and she's a cute gal. But the personality ruins it. So I don't think I'll like Bale as much anymore - - which sucks because I was a pretty big fan.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 4, 2009 2:14 PM

And I agree with everyone else who said that if this had been some 5 second freakout, it would be different. But it wasn't just a knee-jerk reaction - - it was an attack. I don't think he's the worst. person. ever. but I do think that it says something about him that he'd give himself permission to act that way, even once. But it probably wasn't once - remember his fight with his mother and sister?

However I do love the remix, truth be told.

Posted by: tt_marie at February 4, 2009 2:33 PM

TT_Marie: Exactly. Those kinds of rants aren't a lapse - they are indicative of troubling personality traits. And as to the law professors, some of the best professors I had had a talent for building up students and leading them to the best answer in a productive, respectful way. They made very complicated, intimidating material seem easy because they themselves were so secure in their own abilities - they had no need to tear down some law student. I have a similar situation at work. I work with two partners, both very accomplished. One is generous, gives credit where credit is due, takes associate development seriously, and treats staff with respect. The other is a diva - self-congratulatory, narcissistic, truly vicious when the mood strikes him and cheap as shit, to boot. Both are respected and both get results, but the weaker, less secure partner can't cede credit or control to anybody. As far as I'm concerned, the in-control partner without a temper is simply better at her job for having the additional skill of maintaining grace under fire.

Posted by: samantha t at February 4, 2009 2:38 PM

Re: the "actress getting angry" scenario.
Have we so soon forgotten about Lily Tomlin? Now there was a Class A rant. I'm just saying....
And for me, the point is not the "worth" of the job vs a neonatologist, but the concentration needed to do it. Acting deals with EMOTION. All of them. Sorting them out, getting the right one. It's not like you can just put one aside. They all come bubbling up at some point, and that's what you need the concentration for.
Also, the adrenalin levels in the human body when "action" is called are unbelievable; akin to running into a burning barn and trying to sing a pretty little love song.
But as a side note, here's an example of how these situations CAN be handled.
I was working on Thirteenth Warrior. There was a crowd scene, full of extras who, when action is called, are supposed to "mime" talking so that the actor's lines can be heard. In comes Omar Sharif, saying his lines quietly and realistically. One extra didn't get the idea and was joyfully shouting away at the top of his lungs, like he would if the scene was "real". Omar stops the scene, saying "I'm sorry... I'm sorry" like it was HIS fault, not the extra's. It was so charming and beautiful and gracious.
So they set up the scene again, and the after they tried to explain the concept to the Extra, he did it again. And again. Mr Sharif reacted the same way every time. Quietly, gracefully, taking the onus off this Extra and even assuming a bit of it himself, albeit in a somewhat amused way.
It was a great lesson on how to comport oneself on set. I hope Mr Sharif wouldn't mind me sharing that story. Really, I just wanted to brag that I'd worked with Omar Sharif.

Posted by: Odnon at February 4, 2009 3:36 PM

And as for the idea that acting is "just playing dressup"? All I can say is, try it sometime.

Posted by: Odnon at February 4, 2009 4:12 PM


I'm not jumping into the pool about the acceptability of his rant. 'Nuff has been said about that. What I'm taking mild umbrage with is the comment about actors "just playing dressup".

I'm no actor, but I do respect the job and the hours put into it and the least any can do is respect it, especially as the actor involved tries his best to never give his audience shoddy work.

If acting was simply child's play it would not have survived for so many centuries in so many cultures. Whether it be Greek or Japanese or a primary school play everyone feels a little connection to it.

He may not be a teacher, a doctor, lawyer or fireman, but just as with these jobs, for some people it's a calling. Not excusing the behaviour (didn't see the video yet anyway), just saying that even though he may not save lives on a daily basis doesn't mean we can't respect his job too.

Posted by: Four Eyes at February 4, 2009 6:13 PM

Okay, I can't believe how invested I am in this. The Lily Tomlin "meltdown" illustrates precisely the gender dynamic my compatriots and I are talking about. Go back and watch the clip. She's remembered as the one who has the tirade when it was the DIRECTOR who called her a bitch, a cunt, threw shit at her, and pretty much threw himself on the damn floor. I thought she was pretty reasonable under the circumstances. She held her own against an utter lunatic and it went down in the annals as a "rant".

I loved your Sharif story, though. That's how the true pros who have self-confidence do it.

Posted by: samantha t at February 4, 2009 6:18 PM

Again -- the issue is not whether the dude's craft deserves respect but acting IS in fact playing dress up and make believe. The fact that some are superior at it doesnt make that any less true nor does it mean that the job is not deserving of respect. However, its still not serious enough to justify treating someone like that anymore than my job as a fucking monkey scribe corporate lawyer is serious enough to justify me being a major dick to some poor paralegal who has the misfortune to cross me when I'm in a dark place. That shit's just bad manners and indicative of a seriously disturbed personality.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 4, 2009 6:24 PM

Okay, I can't believe how invested I am in this. The Lily Tomlin "meltdown" illustrates precisely the gender dynamic my compatriots and I are talking about. Go back and watch the clip. She's remembered as the one who has the tirade when it was the DIRECTOR who called her a bitch, a cunt, threw shit at her, and pretty much threw himself on the damn floor.

Weren't there TWO infamous clips from that movie, one with the director going off on the entire cast and storming off, and another with Tomlin cursing people out while Hoffman was stuck in the car with her?

And most folks I read commenting on it thought the director WAS being a petulant child, while Tomlin was generally excused because of the stress she was under.

I am going to say this one last time: NOBODY IS SAYING BALE WAS RIGHT FOR YELLING. This seems to be the constant assumption being made here: that sympathy is somehow an excusing of the offense. All anyone is saying is that it ain't just cut-and-dried douchebaggery. If you manage to keep your temper every single time something gets to you, congratulations. You have managed to become more than human. Some of us just have not gotten there yet, and it would be even more hypocritical to knock him for something we still do, okay?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 4, 2009 6:42 PM

I haven't listened to the recording yet, will eventually (just kinda busy the last few days). My standard for screaming at people is, if you feel you have to do it, make sure of two things:

1) You're doing it for a good reason, ie, supreme fuckuppery or assholery, and not just because someone put whole milk in your latte instead of skim; and/or

2) You're not so high above the person you're screaming at (ie, in the hierarchy of the project, organization, etc.) that he/she can only stand there and take it.

Could the person Bale screamed at have screamed back at him without getting fired? If so, I'd judge this screaming as somewhat less worrisome than if Bale had screamed at a lowly PA who could only cower in shame and humiliation.

I don't like being screamed at, ever. I don't believe I've ever screamed at someone at work. I've yelled (yes, I think there's a difference between screaming and yelling) a couple times, but not at length or using profanities. Then again, I'm kinda low on the totem pole. If I was higher up and knew I could scream with impunity, maybe I would have by now. Maybe not. I'm not much of a screamer. Just thinking about it gives me a headache.

I do agree with whoever up there said that recording said Bale screaming and releasing it publicly was assholish.

Posted by: Slash at February 4, 2009 7:16 PM

RE Lily Tomlin screaming: my recollection of that incident was that the consensus was, the big asshole at that set was the director, not Tomlin. I don't remember any "OMG, Lily Tomlin is such a bitch, she screamed on the set" controversy.

Posted by: Slash at February 4, 2009 7:22 PM

Actually, I really DON'T remember any Lily Tomlin rant. Although I'm googling it now. If anyone cares to fill me in on it, I'd appreciate that.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 8:58 PM

Actually, I really DON'T remember any Lily Tomlin rant. Although I'm googling it now. If anyone cares to fill me in on it, I'd appreciate that.

Posted by: karstark at February 4, 2009 9:03 PM

I know the issue is not about the craft Sparkle. I never excused his blowup either, I was just noting that all jobs deserve respect even those who "dress up" and amuse the masses for a living, 'cause I sure as hell can't do that.

Vermillion beat me to the punch when he congratulated those who excel at keeping a cool head under any circumstance. I have yet to achieve that state of serenity...and I do try. I remember a particular snit I had with my brother when he interrupted me in the middle of my Warcraft. I love my brothers, but I snarled Chris into a temporary state of fear.

That being said, there's no way I'm going to assume anything about the stability of anyone's personality (especially given my hours of dedication to Warcraftdom and Fablehood and the frustration I feel when a tactic goes wrong). I don't live in his skin, I'm not married to him and I sure as hell ain't his shrink.

Posted by: Four Eyes at February 5, 2009 12:57 AM

Dude,

I am a bona fide raging BITCH and even I would never scream on someone at work. I can make my husband cower by just one word but I would NEVER EVER EVER lose my cool like that at work because its just not professional. I dont think you have to be superhuman to achieve that. I would guess that most of us (actors included) manage to get through their professional lives without having a 5 minute meltdown on one of their colleagues. Maybe I just live in la la land but that shit just dont seem regular to me. I'm sticking with "dude's a nutjob".

Posted by: Sparkle at February 5, 2009 10:19 AM

Me: "True, but then again why does this site berate Katherine Heigel (or whatever her name is) for doing essentially the same thing to her writers?:

Vermillion: The question has been asked and answered three times already. Pick a new argument.

Well, not really at least not in this thread. From what I understand it's because she once bad mouthed her writers, which I agree is a shitty thing to do. But so was Bale's tirade. They are both assholes. They are both primadonnas with huge egos. But to defend one while attacking the other is hypocritical. It's fanboy-ish.

Also, I say Bale's reaction was worse. He gets aggressive and threatens to punch the dude. When is that acceptable, outside of the angry frat guy society?

Posted by: Mark at February 5, 2009 11:36 AM

I am a bona fide raging BITCH and even I would never scream on someone at work. I can make my husband cower by just one word but I would NEVER EVER EVER lose my cool like that at work because its just not professional.

So because you can stifle your anger to take it out on your loved ones, instead of the people who most probably are the source of the anger, it somehow makes you better off to judge that someone is mentally ill. And all for a paycheck. Congeniality for sale. A mercenary of nice.

Oh wait, I'm sorry. That's me oversimplifying your work and home relationships into a trite little phrase using only a limited exposure to you. That isn't fair or reasonable of me at all.

I'm sticking with "dude's a nutjob".

And that is fine. That is your feeling on the matter, and I can disagree without being disagreeable. Unless you call me a "magic negro".

My thing is this attitude that because some of us are willing to let it go (basically the very thing you argue he should have done), that is somehow gives approval to his actions. All I am saying is "I get it", and that's it. I don't have enough knowledge of the man to say if he is crazy or not.

Well, not really at least not in this thread. From what I understand it's because she once bad mouthed her writers, which I agree is a shitty thing to do. But so was Bale's tirade. They are both assholes. They are both primadonnas with huge egos. But to defend one while attacking the other is hypocritical. It's fanboy-ish.

Three key differences:

1) She badmouthed the writers AFTER getting nominated for an award for the very show those writers worked on, and made it quite clear that SHE was the one determining their work was shabby. Not the other cast members, not the crew, not the awards committee, HER.

2) She released her statement to the press. This wasn't an overheard fight accidentally recorded and leaked, but a fully calculated snubbing of the writers in public.

3) She did similar things on both Knocked Up (her most successful movie yet) and Roswell (her previous TV show). So she has a pattern as well.

Can you honestly say he has demonstrated similar actions? From one five minute tape and a crapload of innuendo?

Posted by: Vermillion at February 5, 2009 12:34 PM

I'm not saying that the two situations were exactly the same. That's practically impossible. I'm saying the "dick head" personality is the same. Bale overreacted like a prick towards his DP. Heigel was a bitch towards her writers. To say one of those reactions is better or worse is ridiculous and biased. They are both arrogant personalities. They are also both human personalities. They both happen to be anti-social personalities which is why its funny in both cases to make fun of them.

Posted by: Mark at February 5, 2009 1:04 PM

Sparkle: Same here. On my worst day, I have never blown up at a secretary, paralegal, DHL guy, whatever. It's part of my job to be an adult. I really hate when people lack self-control. It's a weakness.

Posted by: samantha t at February 5, 2009 2:02 PM

@Samantha --

My point exactly. I agree 100%. My husband and I made a mutual agreement to put up with each other's shit. Honestly, I think that the only other person in the world who signed up to take my shit is my mother. She gave birth to me. Everyone else has the option to put up with me unless of course they are my subordinate or someone lower in the pecking order than me in the workplace, which would just make abusing them pure dickery. I'm a bitch, not a dick. There is a small but significant distinction.

Posted by: Sparkle at February 5, 2009 3:14 PM

Everyone else has the option to put up with me unless of course they are my subordinate or someone lower in the pecking order than me in the workplace, which would just make abusing them pure dickery.

But this wasn't some poor schmuck who couldn't help but take it. It was the freaking DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY, a position explained several times here.

You keep saying that it was a case of abuse of the pecking order, but it wasn't. Just because one guy's name in on a poster instead of the other doesn't mean he is necessarily higher in the pecking order.

Posted by: Vermillion at February 5, 2009 3:54 PM


















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