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G.I. Joe — A Real American Pajiba (G.I. Joe is There)

The Daily Trade Round-Up / Dustin Rowles

Trade News | August 14, 2007 | Comments (64)


Today’s round-up goes out to a particular subset of reader. I want to dedicate it to all of you who woke up on this glorious Tuesday, got out of bed, and felt thrilled to be alive. Were the birds chirping gleefully outside your window? Did you catch all the stops on the subway into work this morning, or miss all the red lights on your commute? Did your iPod shuffle play just the right tunes to put you in this terrific mood? Did you sit down and crank up your computer with a smile on your face? Is your coffee just a little warmer today than on most? Are you feeling giddy? Are you singing Travis Tritt’s “It’s a Great Day to Be Alive,” in your office or cubicle?

Well, fuck you. The rest of us are miserable, and there’s no goddamn reason in the world it should be any different for you. So, guess what, asshole? The G.I. Joe movie is on the fast track. How do those birds sound now? Pretty fucking obnoxious, right? Sure, we’ve speculated about the possibility of a G.I. Joe in the past, but it’s for real now, motherfuckers. And it’s got a director: Stephen Somners, who dazzled and impressed you with The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and the eye-popping clusterfuck,Van Helsing. And though it hasn’t been confirmed, rumor says that Mark Wahlberg will take the lead as Duke. Destro and Cobra will also make appearances in the film, which will be a hybrid origins story and straight-up G.I. Joe actioner. And even worse than a G.I. Joe movie will be the avalanche of Hasbro/Fisher Price/Parker Brothers shit that will be crammed down your gullet over the next few years if this movie succeeds. And, after that? Well, cereal cartoon characters seem to be the natural progression. So, look forward to Toucan Sam and the Loopy Fruits as well as Sonny the Cuckoo Bird Does Dallas in 2011. Can you taste the excitement?

Oh, are you still in a decent mood? Well, we can’t have that, can we? Here’s this: Lost Boys 2: Bamsuckitfeeltheburnouch. Yeah. That’s what I thought. And contrary to what they’re saying on “The Two Coreys,” both Corey Feldman and Corey Haim will be making cameo appearances, as will Jamison Newlander (Alan Frog in the original). But that’s not the best part. Uh huh. It gets sooo much better. Guess who is playing the lead vampire in Lost Boys 2: The Tribe? Angus Sutherland, y’all. Yeah. That’s right. Kiefer’s half-brother. Hoo-wah. Awesome stunt casting. Oh, and “The O.C.’s” Autumn Reeser (Taylor) will star, as well. Welcome to Santa Carla, bitch.

And it occurs to me that the outrageous joy of that second item might’ve actually brightened your spirits. And we can’t have that, damnit. That’s why I’m happy to report that Forest Whitaker — primed to capitalize on his worthy Oscar win — has taken a role in the ensemble film, Powder Blue. The film is about four folks who — by “chance, tragedy, and divine intervention” — meet at a bar on Christmas Eve. Whitaker will play a suicidal ex-priest who shares a special bond with a transsexual prostitute(!) because that’s just how Oscar winners roll, y’all. Ray Liotta will play a former mafia member, and Jessica Biel will — of course — play the stripper. But, not to be outdone by that ace piece of casting, Patrick Swayze has also been brought it to play the stripper’s bartender boss, clearly reprising his Road House character. Whitaker is also producing. Miserable yet?

Out on DVD this week, not a lot to cheer you up: Fracture, The Lookout, Vacancy, Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film for Theaters for DVD, and Wild Hogs.

I know from our list of the Generation’s Best Books (as voted by our readers) that a ton of y’all are fans of Phillip Pullman’s His Dark Materials trilogy, and I’m sure that just as many of you are wary of the big-screen adaptation of the first novel in the trilogy, The Golden Compass. Unfortunately, the trailer here doesn’t really dispel those fears. But, then again, neither does it dash one’s hopes, unless you just loathe Nicole Kidman, who actually looks fun here as a villainess. Parts of the trailer look great — and Sam Elliot and Daniel Craig help immensely — but, the girl (Dakota Blue Richards) looks miscast and the polar bear looks positively Zemeckian. And why do I get the feeling that all of the religious subtext will be removed?

Now, go weep into your Cheerios like the rest of us.









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Comments

"The film is about four folks who -- by "chance, tragedy, and divine intervention" -- meet at a bar on Christmas Eve. Whitaker will play a suicidal ex-priest who shares a special bond with a transsexual prostitute"

Didn't Umberto Eco and Neil Jordan already write that story?

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 14, 2007 12:23 PM

Nicole Kidman is also miscast, based on the books. This really is a role for Catherine Zeta-Jones, IMO. Dakota Blue Richards isn't too bad, I guess, but she looks more delicate than I imagined Lyra.

But, hey, even if they strip out the religion (which is essential, but why should anyone mind that?), it looks like they're doing a better job than The Seeker: The Dark is Rising. That just looks unforgivably awful.

Posted by: Kate at August 14, 2007 12:28 PM

As I remember the character in the book, I think Kidman is a good choice. I believe that the character is cold and calculating, with a lot of emphasis put on her physical appearence matching that personality. I can't think of anyone who looks more frigid and cruel than Kidman.

However, Zeta-Jones is probably a better actress, that is true.

Posted by: Erik at August 14, 2007 12:36 PM

I grew up reading the G.I. Joe comic books so this promises to be particularly painful. I'll just try to console myself with the fact that Jessica Biel will be playing a stripper. Libido over spoiled nostalgia? Let the battle begin.

Posted by: bartap at August 14, 2007 12:38 PM

As long as someone somewhere in the G.I. Joe movie asks the pivotal question: Who wants a body massage?

Posted by: Monica at August 14, 2007 12:45 PM

Not at all surprised about GI Joe. HeMan is probably next, and for the girls, there's always Jem. I can see it now...Hilary Duff or Amanda Bynes as Jem, complete w/ modern day quips. Sigh. After hearing about "Monopoly: The Movie" nothing shocks me anymore.

Posted by: Brie at August 14, 2007 12:46 PM

"However, Zeta-Jones is probably a better actress, that is true."

Catherine Zeta-Jones makes me want to rip out my eyes, she's so horrible!

Posted by: Agent Scully at August 14, 2007 12:56 PM

"After hearing about "Monopoly: The Movie" nothing shocks me anymore."
what?!? seriously? oh i'm so done.

Posted by: kb at August 14, 2007 1:01 PM

So, will all the GI Joe actors sport thumbnails on the INSIDE of their thumbs? Cause, isn't that their trademark? They accidentally put the thumbnail on the wrong side of the hand on the original mold and decided to leave it, A: Because they couldn't afford to change it, and B: Because they thought it would make a good trademark. Personally, it just told me that Joe came from a family tree with no branches.

Having just seen Stardust and had to sit through trailers for The Golden Compass (looks like Narnia exploded), The Seeker (Harry Potter was a seeker, wasn't he?), and the SpiderWick Chronicals (Neverending Story III?), I think I'll wait to see the dust settle, and if any of these are still in the theatre at week 3, I might consider putting them on my Netflix list.

Posted by: BWeaves at August 14, 2007 1:08 PM

Mr. Body Massage Machine, GO!!!

Posted by: Sean at August 14, 2007 1:09 PM

Yeah, I'm with Scully on this one. Zeta-Jones is fucking horrendous, and IMO, has done NOTHING to prove herself as an actress. What, Zorro? Entrapment? Zorro 2: Zorro Harder? I think Kidman is a great choice, and actually have hope for the movie. The trick will be how they handle the finale of book three, if/when they get to it.

As for G.I. Joe - meh. Whatever. I'm done with the whole "raped my childhood" shtick. We're grown ups now, folks. I'm assuming those of us who used to watch the cartoon and play with the toys no longer do so. And I'll bet that until the rumors of a film started, you hadn't even thought about it. So why get all busted up about it now?

I suppose I still get annoyed at comic book movies because I do still read some comic books. But even that... I'm not getting as furious as I once did. Maybe I'm getting older. Maybe Hollywood has worn me down. As in all things, perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2007 1:10 PM

I'm actually pleased with Kidman for the role, and everyone else looks okay... Of course, I spent the entirety of the trailer desperately looking for the daemons. The golden monkey and another one finally show up at the end. And while they can deemphasize the religion in the first one, maybe even the second, how is that even possible for the final book?

Posted by: Jen at August 14, 2007 1:10 PM

This comment is more for Seth since it is TV-oriented... but others may feel free to read and reply :) I read this morning that Joe Mantegna is joining the cast of Criminal Minds as the replacement for Mandy Patinkin. I'm still kinda pissed that he left. I loved him in Dead like Me, and I thought he was pretty great in Criminal Minds too so I hate to think of him as an ass in real life. Anywho... back to Joe... What are your thoughts on this casting choice?

Posted by: Zanna at August 14, 2007 1:13 PM

I LOVED the Dark is Rising series. I read it about once a year when I was little. That trailer looked awful- they screwed with the characters, they screwed with the setting, and now he's a whiny Harry Potter (or do I not need that adjective?). Oh, Will, you were the silent, stoic type in my head...

Posted by: Phaeolus at August 14, 2007 1:17 PM

Guess what, folks? There's a whole lot more "fuck you, fans" being thrown into that G.I. Joe flick. In the original draft of the script, it was actually going to be a buddy flick with...Action Man. And the villain's name? Cool Dude....Yeah, that's your frontal lobe leaking out of your nose. Apparently, the COO at Hasbro took his Taiwanese hooker's toungue out of his ear long enough to hear that no one liked the current script and had it rewritten, although they say it is combining elements from a previously written draft (which received a good review from the folks at LatinoReview.com) and the current piece of schlock.

Posted by: Manny at August 14, 2007 1:31 PM

Sorry, I refuse to be miserable today. Saw the Bourne Ultimatum last night and I am still in awe. Even the horror of a Lost Boys (one of my favorite guilty-pleasures movies) sequel cannot dampen my happiness just yet. I'll read this again tomorrow when the glow wears off, and then I'll be as unhappy as you like.

Posted by: nancy at August 14, 2007 1:34 PM

I can never see this 'horrible' acting from Zeta-Jones or Kidman, they are pretty much passable to me. I mean, they have had some bad films, but I can't honestly say it was bad because of them. No skin off my nose, and I have seen worse.

It is funny, I knew about the G.I. Joe movie since 2004, and it is amusing to see there are people still just finding out about it. But I am with TK. Even though I do still whip out the collection from time to time, I am at the point where the childhood idols have already been destroyed by time. Any nostalgia that survived will be hardy enough to withstand a crappy movie or two. SO there isn't any reason to act like it is the end of civilization when stuff like this comes out.

But if it makes any of you doom-and-gloomers feel any better, a guy on Discovery Channel says the end will come in 2012, when the Solar system spins into the center of the universe and everything on Earth goes to crap. So, there is that to look forward to.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 14, 2007 1:43 PM

Just read "John from Cincinnati" is cancelled. If anyone cares.

I hold out hope for "The Dark is Rising" as I'm a huge fan of the books, but that trailer is less than impressive. Same with "The Golden Compass". And is it just me or has the title to "The Dark is Rising" undergone a title change since the trailer was first released? I saw it before "Stardust" and it seems to have the subtitle now "The Seeker". Because why just name a movie after the book when you can confuse everyone with a needless subtitle?

Posted by: Rob at August 14, 2007 1:51 PM

Sorry Dustin, you didn't manage to ruin my day since I don't care about GI Joe, Lost Boys or Forest Whitaker, and I thought the Dark Materials trailer looks pretty good.

Kate, however, sucker punched me with that terrible looking version of The Dark is Rising. Now I'm going to be cranky for the rest of the day.

Posted by: taffer at August 14, 2007 1:55 PM

Hey guys, there's another Golden Compass trailer out that looks way better, I can't seem to post the link but it's on the IMDB page for the movie. I know Pullman had a lot of input into the actors, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

As for the third book in the series, I have no idea how they will ever get it filmed. (SPOILERS if you haven't read the book) The death of God, homosexual angels, original sin being the source of intelligent life, and 12 year olds exploring their sexuality. Not to mention elephantine creatures with wheels and table legs. I just don't get how that will work out.

Now Subtle Knife, that will make for a great flick.

Posted by: vaguelyamish at August 14, 2007 1:57 PM

I had a GI Joe as a child (still do actually) with the plastic movable joints and the fuzz as hair/beard. Granted, Joe was the pimp of the Barbie play-mansion, possibly due to the large number of daytime soaps that I grew up watching. Joe could kick Ken's ass any day of the week and frequently did. I knew this was coming. Nick Cage isn't signed up already, is he? What about that Shia kid? What non-acting waste of space will star in this? The toy onslaught will bother me far worse than the movie itself. I did convince my husband to not make me go to the theater to see Transformers based on a toy set that had the original Optimus Prime next to the Bay-ified version. Needless to say, he was pissed.

Manny, that is damned frightening. You have got to be kidding.

TK, I agree with the Kidman thing. As far as the "raped childhood" thing, here are my thoughts. For me, the annoyance factor is triggered by thoughts that Hollywood will try to pawn off my childhood as an original idea and bastardize every single good memory that I have associated with said object(See Transformers commercial that proclaims it as "Most original idea this summer" for an example). As far as I see it, it is like when a favorite actor does something that is unbelievably bad and said thing clouds all other performances that they will ever do. I don't play with my toys anymore, but the thought of the original does bring back happy memories of days when I wasn't so damned cynical.

He-man and She-ra will piss me off more than a Joe movie.

Posted by: Melody at August 14, 2007 2:01 PM

Autumn Reeser...NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Why must you ruin the girlcrush I developed on you from your surprisingly good turn in season 4 of The O.C. by starring in drivel like Lost Boys 2? Why?

Sigh.

Posted by: Carrie at August 14, 2007 2:01 PM

And why do I get the feeling that all of the religious subtext will be removed?

It's not even subtext... they state it all pretty clearly. It'll have to be something like... cutting out large chunks of the plot and changing the story entirely, not removing subtext.

Which really blows.

Posted by: Ella at August 14, 2007 2:26 PM

Just to defend my Zeta-Jones comment, I think I've only seen her act in Traffic, and I remember her doing well in it.

Well, Traffic and T-Mobile commercials.

Posted by: Erik at August 14, 2007 2:43 PM

Boo! If they're going to make a "Jem and the Holograms" movie, I think the Fug Girls have find the prime candidate for the role of Jem: http://tinyurl.com/2fk2ye

Posted by: Geetch at August 14, 2007 2:46 PM

Boo! If they're going to make a "Jem and the Holograms" movie, I think the Fug Girls have found the prime candidate for the role of Jem. Anyone see that picture of Rachael McAdams with pink hair? Adorable!

Posted by: Geetch at August 14, 2007 2:49 PM

@ Melody

I am dead serious. Latest news is Jason Statham is being sought for the role of Action Man. 2 kittens died after I typed that.

Posted by: Manny at August 14, 2007 3:03 PM

I would like to formally request of the man that is Hollywood that instead of the slow, violent and repeated raping of my childhood on a level that makes Zed, Maynard & Marcellus Wallace look like a first date down by the lake (those awful Scooby Moives, 2 Garfield movies too frightening looking to even watch, a Transformers movie that is over 2 hours long) that he just take it out back, make it kneel, give a cigarette and blinfold, and put one in the back its head.

GI JOE!!! GI Mother F***in' JOE!!!!!

I loved this show. Watched ita ll the time. Bought the toys. There was a cartoon movie or 2 I taped of TV and watched repatedly. Read comics. And I know thi will suck. Bad. Hard. Long. and then Bite.

Why? Really, why?

Posted by: Brian at August 14, 2007 3:28 PM

There is a 5-minute Golden Compass trailer from Comic-Con that alleviated most of the fears I had when I saw that normal trailer. It could actually be good. Here's the 5-minute clip:

http://www.hisdarkmaterials.org/news/his-dark-materials-movies/item/tgc-comic-con-footage

Posted by: TL at August 14, 2007 3:31 PM

I'm calling shenanigans on Manny. Of course, ever since I accidentally played the My Little Pony prank a few weeks back... I trust no one. Especially not Manny.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2007 3:32 PM

Doh, I got junk-filtered trying to post a link. But there is a 5-minute clip of Golden Compass from Comic-Con that you can find on the main page at hisdarkmaterials DOT org.

It greatly alleviated the fears I had when I first saw the standard trailer posted above. It could actually be... good.

Posted by: TL at August 14, 2007 3:35 PM

TK, I'm hurt. Did our weekend in Aruba mean nothing to you? Cold hearted summamabitch. Anywho, check out Worstpreviews.com to confirm the Statham rumor, and LatinoReview.com for the script reviews, if you doubt me. Asshole.

Posted by: Manny at August 14, 2007 3:42 PM

Latino Review?

Figures.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2007 3:47 PM

Just what we need: another feature-length toy commercial appealing to Gen-X nostalgia AND another overblown fantasy "epic" based on a literary trilogy (why can't fantasy writers just stick to telling a story in a single, decent book?)! How does Hollywood know precisely what we, the viewing public, needs?

Those guys ARE magic!

Posted by: Armando at August 14, 2007 4:04 PM

Jason Statham? I thought he only did action movies that hardly anyone sees and that require him to do as little talking as possible. See Transporter, Transporter 2.

I am wary, but I would not be shocked if this were true.

TK, the My Little Pony thing was evil. Also kinda funny.

Depending upon the success of the Monopoly movie/soul killing experience, I think I am going to write a screenplay based on Freecell or maybe Solitaire.

Posted by: Melody at August 14, 2007 4:06 PM

You're kind of behind the times with the Golden Compass trailer as here in Germany we've had in it cinema's for ages, even though it's not out till December.

I like the trailer though, and I'm quite hopefull for the film. I don't feel that Nicole Kidman was miscast. I never like her characters, but as long as you are not supposed to like them that's ok (it worked in 'The Others' too).

The fact that they made an (apparently) extremely succesful 6h stage adaptation also gives me hope. If it's been done once it can be done again. As Terry Pratchett said, if climbing a mountain is a extremely difficult and dangerous at first, by the time a few more people have done it grannies will be strolling up the mountain before tea, and popping back after tea because they forgot their glasses.

Posted by: ChrisD at August 14, 2007 4:12 PM

I guess there's only one thing to say:


COBRAAAAAA!!!!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 14, 2007 4:13 PM

It will never live up to the animated movie with Sgt. Slaughter. Sgt Mother Fuckin Slaughter people!. Wonder who they will get to play Destro? I'm feeling kind of sick now.

With my luck Lady Jane will be played by Jessica Biel and Scarlett will be played by Siena Miller. Fuckers.

Posted by: cmoody at August 14, 2007 4:33 PM

Jason Statham as Action Man in the GI Joe movie just might make him dead to me. And I don't want Handsome Rob to be dead to me. Dammit.

Now I'm off to re-read the HDM books before Golden Compass hits the screens so I can be truly pissed off when I see the movie.

Posted by: fenchurch at August 14, 2007 4:37 PM

The G.I. Joe movie reminds me of this old joke: A little girl sits on Santa's lap and asks for a Barbie and a G.I. Joe for Christmas. Santa says, "doesn't Barbie come with Ken?" The girl says, "Oh, no! Barbie goes with Ken but she comes with G.I. Joe!" Sorry, couldn't resist!

Posted by: rlr260 at August 14, 2007 4:44 PM

Question: Will the movie have one those "Knowing is half the battle" PSAs at the end? I always loved those - they had one about downed power lines.

Where can I find the link to the My Little Pony thing? It was in one of the "Pajiba Love" posts, no?

Posted by: Brian at August 14, 2007 4:56 PM

I have a question: Why did they change the book title in the American version? Was "Northern Lights" too confusing for Americans? I don't get it. They did the same with the first Harry Potter "the philosopher's stone" was changed to "the sorcerer's stone". Who makes these decisions?

Oh I just really hope it doesn't blow. I think Hollywood should stay the fuck away from my favourite books and stick to what they do best, i.e. stupid toys I never played with. Stay away from my board games too.

Posted by: joker at August 14, 2007 5:28 PM

I heard that the McConaugheschlong (not the man, the member) was playing Cobra. I'd hate to see that thing slither up anybody's Destro.

What is it about Pajiba that brings out the lame in me?

Posted by: Great Mango at August 14, 2007 5:58 PM

joker: I think the publisher made the change from "Northern Lights" to "The Golden Compass" to better fit with the titles of the other two books, which are both named for the items around which the stories are centered.

Posted by: TL at August 14, 2007 6:18 PM

TL, thank you so much for that link to the 5-min Comic-Con preview for "The Golden Compass", it has restored my faith!

Does anyone know, are they expecting to make movies out of all 3 books? Because if I remember correctly, the first one is very open-ended, and the Subtle Knife was freakin awesome, but the third movie could get pretty messy...

Posted by: kdm at August 14, 2007 6:26 PM

Mango - I just laughed myself hoarse. Holy hell, I needed that.

I was never into GI Joe as a child, but even if I was, I don't think I could be affected in any way by news of a GI Joe movie....my heart shriveled up and died the moment I heard about the Voltron movie. Sigh.

Posted by: Kolby at August 14, 2007 6:33 PM

Mrs. Coulter is supposed to be dark-haired and seductive. Nicole Kidman just isn't. And I'm not blown away by her acting, either. She's not horrible, but she sure seems brittle.

Posted by: Kate at August 14, 2007 6:57 PM

Prediction for "Powder Blue": It turns out that all the characters are different personalities inside the head of a serial killer. And the evil personality (Swayze) is the only one left in the end. BOO!

Posted by: Mr. Awesome at August 14, 2007 8:10 PM

I have no interest in seeing Golden Compas el al, considering its attack on Christianity. Gregg Easterbrook had an interesting take on the subject: "Regarding the "Golden Compass" volumes, in them God is a central character -- but is actively evil, obsessed with causing people to suffer. The plotline of the books is that Christianity is a complete fraud and the source of all that is wrong with society; the final "Golden Compass" volume concerns a desperate attempt by the heroic children to kill God and obliterate every trace of Christianity from several universes. I found Pullman's arguments against Christianity puerile -- like recent anti-Christian books by Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, the "Golden Compass" volumes resort to the cheap subterfuge of cataloging everything bad about religion while pretending belief has no positive qualities. Pullman, Dawkins and Harris are anti-faith jihadis: they don't just want to argue against the many faults of Christianity, they want faith forbidden. But however flawed the "Golden Compass" books might be, to advance anti-Christian views is Pullman's prerogative, and his art should be transferred authentically to the screen. Now that the Golden Compass volumes are becoming big-budget flicks, will Hollywood accurately depict their loathing of Christianity or turn the books into a mere adventure story?"

Posted by: JP at August 14, 2007 8:15 PM

You're prolly right about religious subtext. Shame really. Walden Media seems to be the only company out there with the balls to leave the slightest bit of that in.

Posted by: Scott at August 14, 2007 8:27 PM

rlr260: Okay, I'll be your huckleberry -- that was a chuckler.

Isn't the subtext of His Dark Materials pretty anti-religion, esp. anti-Christian? (Or even the text above the subtext . . . what is that called? Nobody ever talks about that. [It's . . . the text]. Okay, that's right, but nobody ever talks about that. Thank you, Fred B.!)

I watched the longer trailer, and the production quality and acting look very good, even the CGI polar bear who out-acted Sam Elliott . . . BUT (everyone has a big one), I didn't see the anti-religion theme at all, and I don't see how Asshat Hollywood can allow such a theme, at least overtly. That would be an anti-family attack on our values and freedom, and there is no fucking way we can have that.

And, finally, how cool is it that the evil villainess' last name is "Coulter." Almost like real life, except Nicole Kidman doesn't look like a tranny vampire suspended on a wire hangar. Not usually anyway.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 14, 2007 8:37 PM

I have no interest in seeing Golden Compas el al, considering its attack on Christianity. Gregg Easterbrook had an interesting take on the subject

Why, JP, please why? The Old Testament God is mighty, if one believes in that sort of thing, and I'm sure he (and you) can withstand some artfully done and intellectually honest questioning of His primacy.

As for Easterbrook: Bwuh. I too read the TMQ article. I used to like him, but that was the last Easterbrook work I will read. He is now not just a pompous hypocrite, he is either willfully ignorant or affirmatively a liar, aside from actively peddling a faith I have no interest in. To wit, his claim that Richard Dawkins is an "anti-faith jihadi[]: they don't just want to argue against the many faults of Christianity, they want faith forbidden."

That statement is either blatant ignorance or plain dishonesty. Dawkins' recent book, which I have read, does not support Easterbrook's cowardly attack, nor do Dawkins' public statements, many of which I have heard on NPR and which are generally to the following effect:

"We are fortunate to live in a society where we can believe what we choose, and everyone is entitled to do so. But religion is silly, and anyone who insists that I act as though it is not cannot be considered logical."

Wow, that's some jihadi talk. I sure hope the Baghdad insurgents adopt Dawkins' jihadism, like real soon.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 14, 2007 8:52 PM

Socalled -- Let me try to address your points. There are zealots on both sides of the table, and I don't have much patience for either. Re Dawkins: You give one example of his position, which in and of itself seems pretty opened minded. However, he has also said, "I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." He has said that religious people are that way because they are not as smart as atheists; that teaching religion to your children is "child abuse"; and it is his goal to convert all religious people to atheism, calling it a war of sorts. Sounds like Easterbrook was spot on. And interstingly, though you are apparently boycotting his TMQ, the guy actually says that the movie should not be censored. Now, I can stand some HONEST questioning of my religion, have in fact most likely taken more theology courses than anyone on this site, and do not mind people questioning my beliefs. Admittidly, I have not read The Golden Compass books, but you dont seem to refute Easterbrook's statement that the book infers that God is evil. From some of the posts about the third book -- death of God, etc. -- I have heard enough. How about if I wrote a book that makes an argument that YOUR parents are evil, child abusing grifters. You gonna have an open mind and see that on the big screen? People on this site -- and in this Daily Trade Round-up, for example, openly prejudge G.I. Joe and the next crappy bunch of movies, but I can't make a pre-judgment on anti-God drivel?

Posted by: JP at August 14, 2007 10:25 PM

I agree with JP. Why is it okay for Dawkins use blanket assumptions to call folks idiots and abusers, when we denounce people like Falwell and Phelps for spouting similar nonsense? Obviously, judgmental arrogance is not the providence of the religious. Even atheists can be annoying, ignorant zealots.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 14, 2007 11:06 PM

How does anti-faith get twisted into a bad thing?

What sane person could give it any serious thought and support the right to religious freedom? We'd have to tolerate old-school Hindus burning widows alive, hardcore Muslims stoning suspected deviants to death, JoHo kiddies dying horrible pointless deaths from lack of simple medical care.....the list is infinite.

Although, I would gladly support Scientologists right to be hunted down by the giant alien carniverous lizard beings, as long as the scaly critters leave the rest of us out of it

Posted by: John at August 14, 2007 11:17 PM

How does anti-faith get twisted into a bad thing?

You can be anti-faith all you want. But don't expect me to treat your beliefs with more reverence than someone who does follow a religion. And yes, atheism is a belief system, and as such, there are those who promote it as the One True Way, which makes them just as wrong as any other religious nutbar who shoves their religion into my face.

I want to know why a person who expresses an interest in said faith is suddenly condemned as a heretic against all common sense, regardless of the actual person or faith. When did it become vogue to be a pretentious, cynical bastard who smugly demeans people for believing in something you don't?

What sane person could give it any serious thought and support the right to religious freedom?

Now you are using hyperbole and exaggeration. In no way are those examples of yours were even considered acceptable in the mainstream of their religions, nor is a support for freedom of religion somehow a tacit support of that kind of cruelty. And considering how such atrocities are committed in faithless areas like Communist regimes and dictatorships, it is wholly unfair to associate such acts strictly to religious fanaticism.

And considering that same right to religious freedom allows you to question the actions you mention without fear, what sane person WOULDN'T support it? And, like many who are eager to push their beliefs on others, you assume that the actions of a lunatic fringe are representative of the whole.

I may not agree with their faith, but I refuse to equate my mother and my family with folks like that simply because they choose to believe in something I do not. And I won't brook anyone denigrating them because of said belief.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 15, 2007 12:08 AM

Hot Fuzz?

Inland Empire?

Posted by: greg at August 15, 2007 12:36 AM

I'm sure your Mom and family are lovely people. So were mine. Relax please. That's not what this is about.

To paraphrase the Dalai Lama:

"I have had, perhaps, extensive religious training that matches that given to almost anyone on the face of the earth. A great many of the things I was taught have explanations and interpretations available that are far more reasonable.

It would be foolish indeed to reject these explanations in favor of faith, any faith, especially my own. To conduct your life as if faith were reality is understandable, but difficult to excuse."

Hyperbole? Exaggeration? Fringe examples? It gets a lot worse than that, I chose easy bullet-proof examples based on doctrine and behavior deliberately. I even left out the nastier Christian stuff so folks like you wouldn't have to take it personally. Feel free to investigate, the record is well-documented. (Except for Scientology, they don't exactly put that one on the recruiting posters)

I didn't start this and it isn't a board about religion, so let's all move on. Pretty please?

Posted by: John at August 15, 2007 12:57 AM

[Y]ou dont seem to refute Easterbrook's statement that the book infers that God is evil.

Um, JP, I don't know enough about The Golden Compass to speak to whether Easterbrook is correct about Pullman and did not try to do so.

[] How about if I wrote a book that makes an argument that YOUR parents are evil, child abusing grifters.

Oh, please -- go ahead, and if it's well-done I will consider it as art. I'm secure enough that I don't actually give a shit what you or anyone else thinks about my parents or beliefs. That said, The Golden Compass is a well-regarded piece of art that I'm pretty sure does not attack your parents, any more than it attacks my Christian parents. I've seen plenty of art that strongly seeks to undermine my value system, that of my parents, that of my society, etc. I'm strong enough to (a) deal with it and (b) try to learn from it.

Sounds like Easterbrook was spot on.

WTF? Nothing you said detracts from my point that Easterbrook lied about Hawkins' beliefs. Hawkins has never taken the position that any government or other authority should "forbid faith," and in fact has said exactly the opposite. His argument is that the rest of us should argue strongly against faith and try to persuade people to abandon it, which is exactly what Christians are supposed to do, just in the other direction.

The strongest comment you came up with was that Dawkins believes his cause to be "a war of sorts." Well, JP, there's a war against teen pregnancy, a war against ignorance, a war against disease, and a war against gum plaque . . . . "War" is a metaphor . . . for about a million things besides "forbidding faith."

As for Easterbrook arguing against censoring the film, that's precisely the type of faux intellectual tolerance he typically uses to clothe his hypocrisy. This isn't the first time, by a long shot. For me, it's the last.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 15, 2007 11:08 AM

RE: His Dark Materials

Kidman is good casting, I think.

But WHAT "religious subtext"??? As I recall, there was no "sub" about it -- I don't think Pullman went to any pains to bury the message at all (in fact, he harping on that was one thing that bugged me a bit in the third book). I can't imagine HDM without that theme.

Posted by: scullypdx at August 15, 2007 4:44 PM

The only way I would watch a sequel to the Lost Boys is if they somehow brought Alex Winter back for a cameo appearance.

Come on, the guy needs work. It just isn't right that the stupid half of Bill and ted goes on to make millions and millions of dollars while Alex sits back and does lord knows what...

On second thought, I still wouldn't watch it.

Posted by: Some Guy at August 16, 2007 5:29 AM

I heard Stephen Somners was already removed from the GI Joe project because he demanded $10 million to sit in the director's chair.

Posted by: AngelBaby at August 16, 2007 6:51 PM

From what I've read, Pullman picked Nicole Kidman personally. If it's good enough for the person who wrote the books, I trust his judgement. Same with Dakota Blue Richards, who he supposedly helped pick from literally thousands of girls. She's not exactly how I envisioned Lyra, but as long as the movie's good, I'm fine with it; she doesn't look awful so it's a win in my book. And no one's mentioned it, but does anyone else think Eva Green makes the best Serafina Pekkala EVER? Oh baby, she looks great.
Also, I really hope they don't whitewash the themes. A "children's" movie with homosexual angels, 12-year-olds getting severed fingers, and (SPOILER ALERT) the soul-crushing death of Lee Scoresby (which made me cry, by the way)? Awesome.
And I do hope they make the Subtle Knife. I agree it's totally kickass. I really want to see how they do the specters and everything.

Posted by: Dor at August 21, 2007 1:48 PM

"Whitaker will play a suicidal ex-priest who shares a special bond with a transsexual prostitute(!)"

A crying game indeed.

Posted by: Arthur at August 22, 2007 11:14 AM


















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