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A Critic's Response to Kevin Smith's Anti-Critic Diatribe

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Trade News | Comments (76)



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Somebody posited this to Kevin Smith yesterday on Twitter:

“I gotta say that every day I hate film theory & film students & critics more & more. Where is the fun in movies?”

That, of course, launched an hour long, semi-psychotic Twitter diatribe from Smith. Let me try to put this in a coherent, non-Twiterese fashion that you can read before I respond to it.

Smith writes:

“Sir, sometimes, it’s important to turn off the chatter. Film fandom’s become a nasty bloodsport where cartoonishly rooting for failure gets the hit count up on the ol’ brand-new blog. And if a schmuck like me pays you some attention, score! More eyes means more advertising dollars.

“But when you pull your eye away from the microscope, you can see that shit you’re studying so closely is, in reality, tiny as fuck. You wanna enjoy movies again? Stop reading about them & just go to the movies. It’s improved film/movie appreciation immensely for me. Seriously: so many critics lined-up to pull a sad & embarrassing train on Cop Out like it was Jennifer Jason Leigh in Last Exit to Brooklyn Watching them beat the shit out of it was sad. Like, it’s called Cop Out; that sound like a very ambitious title to you? You REALLY wanna shit in the mouth of a flick that so OBVIOUSLY strived for nothing more than laughs. Was it called Schindler’s Cop Out?

“Writing a nasty review for Cop Out is akin to bullying a retarded kid who was getting a couple chuckles from the normies by singing “Afternoon Delight.” Suddenly, bully-dudes are doing the bad impression of him, using the “retart” voice. The crowd shifts uncomfortably. (If Only Dalton Was Here) And you may impress a couple of low IQ-ers who’re like “Yeah, man! Way to destroy that singing retart!” But, really? All you’ve done is make fun of something that wasn’t doing you any harm and wanted only to give some cats a some fun laughs. Yes. I compared my flick to a retarded kid.

“It was just ridiculous to watch. That was it for me. Realized whole system’s upside down: so we let a bunch of people see it for free and they shit all over it? Meanwhile, people who’d REALLY like to see the flick for free are made to pay? Bullshit: from now on, any flick I’m ever involved with, I conduct critics screenings thusly: you wanna see it early to review it? Fine: pay like you would if you saw it next week. Like, why am I giving an arbitrary 500 people power over what I do at all, let alone for free? Next flick, I’d rather pick 500 randoms from Twitter feed and let THEM see it for free in advance, then post THEIR opinions, good AND bad. Same difference. Why’s their opinion more valid? It’s a backwards system. People are free to talk shit about ANY of my flicks, so long as they paid to see it. “

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There was a lot more to the rant, including responding to a lot of Twitter questions about the role of critics, but that above is the gist of it.

And here’s the thing: He’s got some good points. And as Vince over at FilmDrunk and our own Christopher Campbell noted: He may actually be right about critics. As Christopher tweeted, many critics may be “spoiled by free movies, which distances their perspective from ticket buyers.” This is something we’ve argued from the very beginning, which is why we don’t do press screenings. In fact, a couple of years ago, before Zack and Miri opened, Kevin Smith very graciously invited us to see a free screening in advance (I declined, because — as I told him — we don’t do that sort of thing). Prisco nevertheless gave Zack and Miri a glowing review, one which I agreed with (and so did TK, after he saw the film on DVD).

But to take the role of the critic out of the equation, as Kevin Smith has suggested, is absurd. But it’s not because people actually give a lot of weight to a critic’s opinion anymore — we recognize that ourselves, and I like to think that our reviews are 50 percent informative and 50 percent a starting point for a discussion about the movie. It’s because, if you take the critic out of the equation, then what do audiences have to go on? Marketing, advertising, and PR. That’s what. How fucking honest do you actually believe a movie’s marketing campaign is? Is that what Kevin Smith wants? Has he really turned so studio friendly that he wants his audience to make up their mind about seeing a movie based on a studio-driven advertising campaign? Or a fucking cherry-picked trailer with all the funny scenes in it (Cop Out, by the by, had zero funny scenes even in the trailer).

Movie criticism provides a check and balance to a marketing effort. Some people may believe that movie reviews are worthless (and that’s certainly an opinion we hear enough around here from those who disagree with our reviews), but how can you possibly argue that an advertising campaign is not? If it weren’t for advertising, people wouldn’t know about a movie. And some people — particularly those with more discerning tastes in film — like to check those marketing efforts by getting an opinion about a movie from a so-called objective observer before they see it. Those opinions, hopefully, come from someone you trust, because he or she has proven to be like-minded over a long period of time (and maybe because he or she paid for their movie ticket, just like you’ll have to do). Are you more inclined to trust the opinion of 500 random Twitterers that you don’t know, have no long-standing reader relationship with, and who were following Kevin Smith, and so will already be predisposed to liking his films?

Look: Kevin Smith knows this more than anyone, and has spoken to it on several occasions: Movie critics elevated him to where he is. He owes a huge part of his career to Janet Maslin of the NYTimes who raved about Clerks, which provided that low-budget Sundance movie with the exposure that Kevin Smith needed. That made his career, and he’s repaying critics with Cop Out?

Hell, Smith has always played up the importance of critics. When Smith emailed me a few years back after he read my Clerks 2 review, I was flattered. Flattered as fucking hell. But as time passed, and I began to notice that this was part of Kevin Smith’s personal marketing effort (he showed up on a lot of blogs, and I’m sure that he sent 500 emails thanking critics for positive reviews), I began to realize that the flattery was the point. And it began to feel disingenuous. I mean, he said it himself: “If a schmuck like me pays you some attention, score! More eyes means more advertising dollars.” He was playing us — he was playing all of us. If a schmuck like him pays us attention and gives us advertising dollars, then the reverse must be true, too: If a schmucky website like Pajiba pays some attention to Kevin Smith, that means a bigger box-office gross, right? (Of course, clearly Smith doesn’t understand how little power the critics wield. It didn’t matter how much we liked a movie; he couldn’t break that $30 million ceiling. But he makes a shitty fucking movie that appeals to the very type of people he berated in Clerks (you know: the shitty customers), the critics hate it, and his movie makes $45 million.)

Kevin Smith’s Cop Out is to his career what that giant fucking mechanical spider was to Wild Wild West. Kevin Smith used to talk shit about that mechanical spider all the fucking time, but now he’s embraced it. He’s embraced the “retarded kid.” But you know what? The real outrage wasn’t the “retarded kid” movie itself, it was that Kevin Smith decided to make a “retarded kid” movie at all. We expected better than that. Some of us, anyway.

But you know what? I’m still looking forward to Red State. When it comes out, I will pay for a movie ticket, like we always do. And if I like it, I’ll write as much, no matter how much Kevin Smith hates critics.

(Twitter Hat Tips: @Master_Crief, @filmdrunk, @misterpatches, @filmnerdjamie, @thefilmcynic).









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Comments

well said. i hope that he reads this.

Posted by: gem at March 24, 2010 11:16 AM

That diatribe isn't anything new. Simply put, Kevin Smith is, and always has been, a whiny little bitch. I'm sorry. I tend to like his movies. I loved Clearks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, and liked Dogma. I didn't much care for "Jay and Silent Bob", despite a few funny bits here and there. I haven't seen any of his other films.

Based on his films (that I have seen) and his love of comic books and hockey (two of my most favoritest things), we should totally be BFFs. That said, he annoys me. I started listening to the commentary track on "Dogma" and had to shut that shit down after like 10 minutes. Such a whiny, whiny bitch. A lot of his rants on his website, which I used to vist from time to time, are really just more of the same.

He's incredibly sensitive and insecure and those are tough traits to have when you're constantly putting yourself out there. I just listened to a interview with him this morning on the radio (he's doing a show a few blocks from my house this weekend) and you could tell how insecure he was when he kept going on and on and on about that whole Southwest thing.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at March 24, 2010 11:19 AM

I am spending too much time on Facebook. I tried to find a "like" button for this post.

Posted by: Nimue at March 24, 2010 11:22 AM

People that rely solely on other people to convince them whether or not to see a film make me sad. I love film criticism when it's done well. I hate it when it decides that a film that strives for a lower goal is horrible because it wasn't trying to doing something game changing. A horror film, for example, that just wants to be an entertaining slasher shouldn't be given a bad review because it's not the second coming of Rosemary's Baby.

That said, when a film is bad even by the low standards it sets, it deserves bad reviews. As far as I'm concerned, that's the case with Cop Out. It's an awful film that's not nearly as funny as Kevin Smith wanted it to be and no ammount of Twitter rants and YouTube videos will convince me otherwise.

I still respect the man as a filmmaker. No director (well, no director with multiple credits) can claim to have a perfect streak of wonderful films. There will be mistakes and that's part of filmmaking. Not everything will work. Throwing a temper tantrum and using outdated, now considered offensive, terminology for sympathy makes the whole situation much worse. Accept responsibility for your mistakes and improve your craft. Don't blame everyone else because your low-aiming film was misunderstood by people expecting a funny comedy.

Posted by: Robert at March 24, 2010 11:39 AM

They used to show Clerks incessantly on either the IFC or the Sundance Channel. I tried to watch it several times, but never lasted more than 10 minutes. I thought Chasing Amy was merely OK. Kevin Smith is a one-hit wonder with a cult of personality attached.

Posted by: Peter L. Winkler at March 24, 2010 11:42 AM

Don't make me choose between Pajiba and Kevin. I just love Smodcast too much. It's not even entirely for him, it's for Scott Mosier's great improv skills.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at March 24, 2010 11:44 AM

Forbiddendonut is right about Howard Johnson's being right. I am a Smith fan from way back. I even like Jersey Girl, though I could have done without Jay and Silent Bob and not really lost any sleep. I haven't seen Cop Out, but as a human being of average intelligence, the marketing campaign was enough to make me not even plan to rent it.

The truth about Kevin is that he desperately, DESPERATELY wants all of our approval. He will do anything to get it:

Donkey show: Check
Diarrhea to the face: Check
Giant poop monster: Check
Mark Hamill as CockKnocker: Check

He has made three films that I think were "for him" and not for us: Clerks, Chasing Amy, and Jersey Girl. The first was his art project, the second (I think) his best work, and the third was panned because nobody got any feces on them during the shoot. And I love him (as do thousands of others) for those three films. But they didn't make him enough money and they didn't elevate him above nerdcore movie fans and hipsters who like to spank it to SEGA hockey.

He wants mainstream appeal and the money that comes with it. He's still the fat kid at the prom who does the Truffle Shuffle because it makes him the center of attention for 30 seconds all the while eating away at his soul.

Posted by: professorlove at March 24, 2010 11:47 AM

The difference is that the "retarded" kid is limited through no fault of his own. You, sir, chose to make a shitty, unambitious film and for that you deserve to be roundly mocked and/or beaten about the head and shoulders with a stout cane.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at March 24, 2010 11:51 AM

I see his point, but if I went solely by the PR and trailers, I never would have seen Avatar. It looked friggin terrible. But then the critics saw it and were walking around with Avatar boners. Made me want to see the movie. Hollywood needs the critics, we just need to be selective and find ones that seem to agree with our own personal tastes.

Posted by: BigFrigginHead at March 24, 2010 11:52 AM

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Especially the part about marketing. If I pay to see a movie based on the trailer or the ad campaign and it sucks ass; you fucking lied to me and I feel I have the right to blast your ass with twelve inches of meaty rage.

As for Kevin, he got exactly what he wanted and he burgled a turd into the theater. Of course he's going to get called on that shit when he's spent so much time eschewing the importance of the little guy, the underdog, the fan. You get your big break and you make exactly what the studio wanted; a bad movie with profanity that can be massed marketed as a Kevin Smith film. Sack the fuck up, son and remember what got you here in the first place.

Posted by: admin at March 24, 2010 11:56 AM

I think Kevin Smith has run his course. His style was revolutionary to me when I was in high school, but then I got a college degree and realized that his whole shtick is using lots of four-syllable words for dick and fart jokes.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at March 24, 2010 12:08 PM

Great piece, Dustin. Couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Matt Goldberg at March 24, 2010 12:13 PM

Very well said. Thanks for posting this response.

I think you're right about Pajiba being 50% criticism, 50% conversation starter. I also like to read Roger Ebert's reviews because when they're bitchy they're hilarious, but when they're positive, it's like reading a love letter to great cinema. Criticism has its place, even if it changes from critic to critic.

Speaking of Ebert, he tweeted this link to a new post about the state of criticism. Tangentially related to this discussion, but it was interesting to read them back to back. http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2010/03/confessions_of_a_lousy_critic.html

Posted by: Tara at March 24, 2010 12:20 PM

Maybe Mr Smith should have put all his Interwebsy time into making movies, then his list would be twice as long!

Posted by: Magiel at March 24, 2010 12:21 PM

Love Smith. Love Pajiba. Love the well-balanced voice this article has.

And I'm with Gem; I hope Smith reads this. Hell, I hope he posts a comment.

Posted by: superasente at March 24, 2010 12:27 PM

Leaving aside Smith himself... he's dead right on one of the things that make critics so unreliable.

Cost.

As in, lack thereof.

Saw it big time in game review circles. People who paid $50-60 of their own money seem to cluster review scores rather differently than people who were handed an early review copy by the game publisher (and not always in the same direction).

As movie ticket prices climb into the stratosphere, the cost to you of the movie ticket will have a larger and larger effect on your enjoyment of the film and your opinion of its merits, driving a larger wedge between critics and audiences.

The other wedge is harder to tackle. Watching films at the rate reviewers do also alters perspectives over time.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at March 24, 2010 12:34 PM

Oh Kevin Smith...I like you, I really do.

That being said, you're full of shit.

Here's the thing: you've made some of my favourite movies ever. If I were stranded on a desert island between Nowhereland and Whogivesafuckistan, and I could only watch movies from one director, you're probably be one of my first choices.

You made movies for people who actually appreciated movies. Not for the people who go to the movies and expect the bare minimum, but for the people who appreciate a good story.

And then you made Cop Out, and proceeded to take a shit on everything you stood for. Cop Out wasn't just a piece of shit, it was a slap in the face to pretty much everyone who ever went to see your movies. It was the equivalent of saying "Well, I could make movies for people who actually love movies, but I think I'm just going to make something that will appeal to the absolute lowest common factor. Something that will pretty much shit on the message I've sent out as a director: that films are art, not a simple throwaway commodity."

So you made a shitty movie and people called you out on it for making a shitty movie. Boo goddamn hoo. I feel so sorry for you. But you know what? You chose to make a movie that was absolute trash. You reap what you so.

On the plus side, looks like you finally made over $45 million at the box office. Was it worth it? Guess not, huh?

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at March 24, 2010 12:36 PM

I can't believe he used that "It was just for laughs" line. I think that's what shocks me the most out of his whole rant--that Kevin Smith is saying that. This guy, who rants against the mechanical spider and making shit just to make a buck, and against turning off your brain when you watch a movie...he's saying that?

He should know better than anyone that a shitty movie with a giant marketing campaign never exists on its own. You make a shitty movie, it makes back its budget and a little bit more than that, and MORE SHITTY MOVIES WILL BE MADE. Because they're a quick buck. And you were part of the disease, and you just encouraged more heartless executives into making more shitty cop buddy movies.

Shame on him.

Posted by: figgy at March 24, 2010 12:54 PM

Dear Kevin Smith...your not counter culture or ground breaking anymore. Your mainstream. Nothing you do is that interesting anymore and when you sellout for money...don't piss and moan when people point out that your selling out. Your like so many other talented people...you cannot recreate the conditions that made you successful in the first place.

Although, I must point out that I am disappointed that you haven't made 40 sanctimonious youtube videos explaining blaming every possible person for the situation but yourself.

Posted by: Diablo at March 24, 2010 12:54 PM

Thank you tracer bullet, I was about to say approximately the same thing. He's basically saying that he's outraged that people working to help people who pay decide which movies to give their money to called him out on giving minimal effort. "I gave it minimal effort and you're calling it out for being lazy bullshit, that makes you a bunch of jerks." Isn't it the primary job of the critic to call the movie what it is?

Posted by: Eep at March 24, 2010 12:54 PM

That was masterfully written, Dustin. Bravo.

And I agree with what tracer said about Smith not having to be the "retarded" kid. That's exactly what I think about it.

Also, it's a free country. Even if critics didn't get paid to professionally analyze your work, then the people still will. And I think "the people" have spoken out pretty clearly about Cop Out: it sucks. Even the retards are saying, "This may be ironic coming from me, but that movie was retarded."

One of the things I love most about Pajiba is that it knows how to enjoy a stupid film every once in a while. I mean, how much love is there on this site for movies like Hot Rod and Elf and Stomp the Yard? Those movies would never win any awards for anything, but they are beloved by many -- because they are fun.

Cop Out? Not fun. Don't you dare imply that the critics aren't fair, Kevin Smith.

Also, he's painting critics with a pretty broad brush, here. He's making it seem like all critics are watching movies from their private screening rooms with a snifter of brandy in hand as trained monkey transcribes their notes on a solid gold Mac. Sure, there are plenty of highbrow, I'll-never-be-satisfied critics, but there are also plenty of "durr, everything is funny!" critics, too.

And then there's Pajiba. Man, I love this site.

Posted by: livience at March 24, 2010 1:12 PM

Excellent piece. One of the best that I have ever read here.
If you want to get rich from writing,write the sort of thing that's read by people who move their lip's when they are reading to themselves.
Well he's done the cinematic equivalent of that and now he's whining over the critics!
I think its a no name brand kind of movie and like allot of people, I expected something better from him. I'd like it if he grew the fuck up and didn't make a movie for his ego or wallet.

Posted by: bob at March 24, 2010 1:16 PM

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I love Kevin Smith as a person. I think he's funny, self-aware, fan-conscious, and overall an interesting fellow.

He's also gotten shit from critics for years. Watching Chasing Amy last night reminded me of what great work he can do given the opportunity to do something more personally motivated.

On the other hand, as a music critic, I hate people who take the "critics don't mean anything" stance. Am I touchy about trying to live in a profession that isn't essential to the life or understanding of art? Perhaps. But still, a critic's job is not wholly meaningless. More even than simply being a compass to guide consumer decisions, critics can keep filmmakers honest and can try to elevate the level of the art that's being created for us to consume. Film criticism and film students are the reason that many of the greatest classic films exist. Imagine a world in which we never analyzed the films we watched, never thought about their meaning both on an artistic and social level, never called out the bullshit filmmakers who try to squeeze out garbage and pass it off as "a cinematic experience" or "pure entertainment."

Imagine every film was made by Michael Bay and James Cameron. And not semi-awesome, calling out 3D Bay or early days sci-fi Cameron, but Transformers and Avatar Bay and Cameron.

Now this is not necessarily directed at Smith. He represents a large swath of filmgoers who simply take what they're given and question nothing. As with all art, not everyone is going to study it to really understand why something may or may not be worthwhile. But diminishing the importance or role of critics and film students (especially odd for someone who speaks at a lot of colleges) to entities whose only mission in life is to stand in the way of people who want to enjoy a piece of art is to bite the hand that feeds you and catch the sickness of ignorance. Smith, and any other person who makes or watches films, owes a great deal to the work of critics and film students who've helped film to grow into its full potential as an artistic medium, who've helped us from the silent, talkie, and color film (all matters of technical work and medium) into the age when films don't just show us something but tell us something, revealing truth and exploring the human and inhuman sides of the world in a way that no other mode of communication can possibly emulate.

So I would hope that Kevin Smith will take a step back and consider his words, and his work, with a more thoughtful eye. If he tried looking through a critic's perspective, he might see what made some of his films so much better than others, and maybe how he can return to that potential we know he's capable of fulfilling.

Posted by: ChristianH at March 24, 2010 1:20 PM

Forbiddendonut is right about Howard Johnson's being right.

Awesome reference.

...hipsters who like to spank it to SEGA hockey.

Watch it with that hipster shit. I would really appreciate a lot less of that word around here, as no one seems to know what it means or how to use it.

Posted by: ChristianH at March 24, 2010 1:26 PM


The saddest thing about this?

45m for K Smith is his high water mark, a triumph of commercial sell-out, but everyone agrees that its a crap movie. Probably only did as much business as it did because the Bruce was in it, and it would have made that much even if it was directed by Uwe Bolle.

So what K Smith really accomplished was an underperforming Bruce Willis movie, thereby proving that he can not successfully perform the truffle shuffle. I wonder if he will get another bite at the apple? Dood, we gave you Bruce Willis and you stomped it into the mud.

So sad. If K Smith was gonna sell out, the least he could have done was to have given me a decent super hero movie or monster movie (Creature from the Black Lagoon or whatever).

To reset K Smith's offensive analogy (asshole), you are not the "retarded kid," you are the dimbulb bully trying to get a laugh by acting like the "retard" (asshole).

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 24, 2010 1:30 PM

This reminds me of something posted on Buddyhead a while ago saying essentially the same thing.

http://www.buddyhead.com/kevin-smith-the-idiots-quentin-tarantino/

This guy pretty much nails it. It's also hilarious.

Posted by: Steph at March 24, 2010 1:35 PM

Speaking of Ebert, he tweeted this link to a new post about the state of criticism. Tangentially related to this discussion, but it was interesting to read them back to back. http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2010/03/confessions_of_a_lousy_critic.html
Posted by: Tara at March 24, 2010 12:20 PM

Good lord, that link single-handedly re-affirmed my career choice.

Thank you so f***ing much!

Posted by: ChristianH at March 24, 2010 1:39 PM

I love the point about critics as the checks and balances for the atrocious marketing machine. It's not balanced, as the marketing almost always wins, but it's at least something for those who want to look closer. Critics and reviews are very important to the process by which I choose what to see and as a means for furthering my appreciation of film.

However, regarding Cop Out, I do agree with Smith's point. When evaluating movies, I think they should be judged within the framework of what they are trying to be. (Schindler's Cop Out, indeed.) I didn't find the movie revolutionary, and I rank it at the bottom of his canon, but it was a harmless, enjoyable diversion to pass the time at the theater. I probably won't rewatch it anytime soon, but it was certainly not worthy of the level of critics' vitriol it received.

Also, I really think some people are ascribing too much of a "trend" to Smith's choice here. In statistics a sample size of one means absolutely nothing. For one movie he tried to direct someone else's script for a change. Zack And Miri had burned him out on his regular shtick. If Cop Out didn't work for you, that's cool, but one movie does not make a pattern. His next two movies will be separate kinds of departures, and I think it's cool he's trying different things.

Finally, I get your point about Smith's open dialogue being an integral part of his career and profits. But does it ever seem disingenuous to anyone else? Those Smodcasts are free, and I've never thought he was playing a character. He certainly doesn't have to Tweet as much as he does. Half the number of Tweets he puts out there would achieve the same effect. It indicates to me that he actually is engaged by the dialogue. That's what I dig about him: he's honest and puts himself out there. That's a rare thing compared to the way the movie business usually works.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 24, 2010 1:47 PM

I've always been a fan of Kevin Smith, the writer. I don't think Smith will pull off Red State as a director.

There, I've said it.

Posted by: Bizarro Sofía at March 24, 2010 2:01 PM

The bad news for Kevin: that $45 million is likely his ceiling unless he decides to really sell out and start making crappy sequels like Paul Blart 2.

Worse news for Kevin: that $45 million has NOTHING to do with him. The people who paid that were either A)Bruce Willis fans, B)Tracy Morgan enthusiasts, 3)mentally handicapped or *)high as shit.

Sad fact is that Kevin has not grown as a director and it's not like he ever was a great director to begin with. All his great scenes are static, people sitting around, (usually smoking) and talking. Almost 20 years after Clerks and Kevin is still making the same looking movies.

Is he funny? Yes. Is he smart? Absolutely. Would I pay money to see one of his "Evening" geek fests? Yep. But nothing he says can redeem the excrement on the screen that was Cop Out.

Posted by: Fredo at March 24, 2010 2:50 PM

The end begins. Smith is now crying about the critics and their harsh criticisms about his shitty movies. Really Kevin, really? Now that your dick and fart jokes have run their course and the critics have finally realized that the only thing you have are dick and fart jokes, your response is to lash out at the critics because they don’t quite understand your unique style of film making, and they are mean and they have the cooties. You are a fucking sham, you have been exposed as a half-assed movie director. But look on the bright side, your free fall will be quick.

Posted by: The Hoth System at March 24, 2010 2:52 PM

Would I pay money to see one of his "Evening" geek fests? Yep.

Posted by: Fredo at March 24, 2010 2:50 PM

I was all set to do just that. As I mentioned earlier, he's got one of those "Evening" shows that's literally playing a few blocks from my house. I went to buy tickets, but they were $71 bucks each. So, $142 for me and Mrs. Donut. That's a lot of fuckin' sprinkles.

So, instead, I will stay home, read a comic book and watch Hockey Night In Canada in his honor. For free.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at March 24, 2010 3:14 PM

He did an event at a local university in MN a few years ago for $5 a pop. My friends intentionally didn't tell me until the day after because they didn't have enough room in their car for all of us and I take up the most space.

Posted by: ChristianH at March 24, 2010 3:48 PM

You can probably get them on DVD. I watched them all on my HBO one time.

Posted by: figgy at March 24, 2010 3:56 PM

Great write up Mr. Rowles.

Posted by: EricD at March 24, 2010 4:55 PM

I think that like everything there are good and bad critics. I am loyal to pajiba and I don't read film reviews elsewhere because I have found reviewers that are likeminded to myself and also entertaining. I also think that the discussion it promotes is also very important.

However, I am sure that there are many subpar reviewers out there and that they may not always review fairly.

I haven't seen Cop out, but I think that if the reviews are bad across the board, then Smith should look inward to understand why.

He makes some good points about letting them see them movie for free, but there is really not much that he can do about that. I think that it is honorable that Pajiba doesn't go to freebie screenings. Just another reason to love it here!

Posted by: Alli at March 24, 2010 5:00 PM

Superbly written response. Totally agree.

Posted by: Richard Brunton at March 24, 2010 5:01 PM

Well said sir.

Posted by: Chris Ullrich at March 24, 2010 6:26 PM

Nice write-up, sir... and condensation of Kevin Smith's Twitter feed, for those busy with other work and not feeling particularly passionate about going back and sifting through it to see what all the fuss was about.

Posted by: BRS at March 24, 2010 7:45 PM

Oh yeah? YOUR MOM!

Posted by: Kevin Smith at March 24, 2010 8:40 PM

Just a quick FYI, but they just posted this on Fark.com with a HERO tag. I'd say the tag is more than well deserved, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at March 24, 2010 8:50 PM

Mr. Smith needs to realize that about the only thing he has managed to do of any significance in "Cop Out" is alienate his fan base. He didn't make a movie that was particularly profitable by mainstream standards. He did not make a movie that could be considered even cult. And while technically he made a movie that has out-grossed his previous projects, it was just as easily his most forgettable.

The funny thing is if he was simply honest about his motivations behind this movie (money), I think his fans would be far more forgiving. Instead, we are subjected to this latest bit of whining. Kevin- the movie sucked...period. If the critics panned it and it made $100 million, I doubt you'd be bitching; you'd be in the Champagne Room with Michael Bay. If the critics loved it and it tanked, I'd be curious as to who you'd point the finger to next. Perhaps the people who did pay to see the movie who agree it stinks worse than scrotal low-tide funk?

The bottom line is that you decided to sell out and make a movie for the paycheck regardless of its overall quality. You gambled, and you lost. Stop making excuses and accept you fucked up. It happens, man up and move on. Either make your next movie something you're proud to hang you name upon, or realize that you self-respect is the price you'll likely pay for a bigger paycheck. Some directors can handle that exchange, others such as yourself seemingly cannot.

Posted by: bleujayone at March 24, 2010 9:15 PM

Thanks for this well written and informative post. I never thought of film critics as having a role in balancing marketing, but that notion makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Patrick at March 24, 2010 10:45 PM

The funny thing is if he was simply honest about his motivations behind this movie (money), I think his fans would be far more forgiving. Instead, we are subjected to this latest bit of whining.

Absolutely. I mean, this is a guy I admire precisely because he doesn't spout off bullshit about his own greatness. He's always making self-deprecating jokes about his films, and suddenly he goes up in arms about this? What the hell happened to him?

Posted by: figgy at March 24, 2010 11:01 PM

The only thing more useless than a self-important film maker is a self-important critic of film makers.

Posted by: moosey at March 25, 2010 12:56 AM

I take everything that directors, actors, and critics say with a grain of salt. Just because a Critic didn't like a film and gave it a bad review doesn't mean I won't like it, it is all a matter of taste. As to Kevin Smith, I have to honestly say he's one of my favorite directors, and yes I do follow his tweets, I'm not going to attempt to justify his views or opinions, that's his job I just pay my fucking money at the ticket booth. Additionally his opinions are his, they don't need to be justified or debased he's entitled to them just as much as any Critic or individual is entitled to their own opinions, making this whole damn article a waste of space on some Database floating around in Cyber-space.

Posted by: GCronk at March 25, 2010 1:40 AM

Ive been coming to Pajiba for a long long time, because of the honesty of the reviews, the comedy and unintentional comedy of the writers and posters and because of the obvious love of cinema.

90% of the time I agree with the reviews and sometimes I dont, but this site is by far the best reviewing site on the interwebs.

Thus said, and I remember the last time he ( Smith ) worked with the writers here at Pajiba, but I truly hope he sees this thread.

During seeing Cop Out I cringed a number at times and made that wierd frowny face at some of the jokes and situations in that movie. It was a bad movie. The only funny part of that movie was when Sean William Scott was on screen. Dont get me wrong, I loves me some good Bruce Willis and Tracey Morgan on 30Rock, but this movie blew donkey balls.

Hard.

Posted by: Sostra at March 25, 2010 2:57 AM

Dear Kevin Smith,

I am a fan of your movies. No matter how you try to rationalise it, Cop Out did not make me laugh once. That's all I care about and that's my only point here. I didn't find Cop Out to be remotely funny.

Here's to Red State and Hit Somebody being (what I perceive to be) a return to form.

Steve.

PS. Give Jim Norton more screen time.

Posted by: Steve at March 25, 2010 3:54 AM

While all the "market balance" and "shared taste" arguments are solid, the only reason I read critics (and write criticism) is for cultural commentary and knowledge broadening. If Smith can get something out of the feedback of a random 20-something fanboy who's never watched anything made outside of Hollywood (and therefore has a very limited view of the art), good for him. But I maintain that the only thing in common that kid has with, say, Amy Taubin, is an opinion. And those are worthless to me as a reader. No critic has ever discouraged me from seeing a film I planned on seeing, however bad the review, however persuasive their diatribe.

Long before I ever wrote my first film review, the only reviewers I sought out were the ones who knew shitloads about film and could provide contextual and cultural context, e.g. the Film Comment writers. Because I don't read reviews to direct me to see or not see one film in particular; I read them to learn something about film in general. Expertise is still worth something in my world. And those much-maligned "experts" are the very reason I became a film-lover--I actually enjoyed movies a lot more after I became immersed in the media as an art, a historical system, a political vehicle, an international and multi-generational phenomenon, etc etc. And the only reason I presume to write reviews is because of my training. My job isn't to encourage or discourage people to buy tickets--it's to try to illuminate a point or help people see a narrative in a new light. If I only do that in one out of a dozen reviews, I'm lucky (because many readers already have the same info), but that's the only thing that makes it worthwhile for me.

Smith's error is forgetting about intertextuality and assuming that everyone uses reviews the same way. Goose/gander fallacy.

Posted by: Ranylt at March 25, 2010 8:49 AM

My problem with critics is that I really don't care what you or they think of Cop Out or other such fare. But of course criticising and crapping all over these movies (which were never made to be taken seriously to begin with)is much easier than actually having to work for a living, like finding and promoting inspiring/thought provoking works of art. Your livelyhood depends on eyeballs hitting the page, and you can't get that through a sober analysis of art because you'd be just another number in the vast ocean of critics.

I don't want to be entertained by critics, that's what the movies are for. I want sober opinion and thought provoking discussion.

Posted by: Beeg Johnson at March 25, 2010 9:59 AM

After seeing 100s of movies in the theaters, renting thousands (think blockbuster had me at 2000 several years ago), and owning around 400. I am a movie buff. BIG movie buff. You know how I know when I'll like a movie now? The critics hate it. I have a good 80% chance of enjoying a movie that critics hate. I see critics as people who ride the movie's gravy train, then complain about how bumby it was.

Posted by: Will at March 25, 2010 11:31 AM

I think Peter Travers is the most highly circulated critic in print right now, and he writes exclusively for the sake of soundbites in previews and the back of DVD cases. And even that clown gave Cop out two stars.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at March 25, 2010 11:53 AM

I've never seen KS's twitter, or stand-up video's; hell i don't think I've ever even read an interview.

I can imagine the defensive self-contradictory whininess, and I also won't be seeing cop out.

that said, i've liked most of his films other than clerks, and he gets a free pass forever for Dogma

Posted by: idleprimate at March 25, 2010 7:03 PM

Very nice article. It's made me a fan of the site, which I never would have come across had it not been for Kevin's outburst.

Not much more to add to it, as it, along with several other movies sites, address the most salient points.

I will add, however, that Kevin seems to always blame negative reception of his work on anything and everything except himself. MALLRATS, for example: I think he blamed it on marketing, saying on the DVD that the company that handled it "couldn't market themselves out of a paper bag". Same thing with "ZACK AND MIRI", he blamed marketing and the Weinstein Company. He specifically said "I can't take the heat on this one. [Z AND M] is not my fault." I think (I may be wrong here, though) he partially blamed JERSEY GIRL's tanking on the Ben Affleck and Jenifer Lopez fiasco. He never thinks that his skills or decisions could be at the root of negative critical or popular feedback.

Interestingly, in his SModcast Episode 68, he mentions that he spoke to a "WAY higher up" at a studio that told him ZACK AND MIRI "should have" and "would have" "opened to 30 [million]".

As Kevin in a later SModcast says, he spoke with Jeff Robinov, president of Warner Brothers Picture Group, during his depressing Z AND M release. It ended up that Jeff offered him COP OUT to direct (even though, earlier in his career, Kevin had written that Jeff was a "bald clock-puncher", continuing his pattern of lashing out at anyone whom he even thinks opposes him).

So, I'm guessing Kevin was alluding to Jeff as the "WAY higher up" that said Z AND M should have opened to 30 million, and I'm guessing that Jeff assumed that with WB handling the marketing and positioning, Z AND M would have. This is further bolstered, to me, by the fact that before
COP OUT's release, I couldn't turn aroud without seeing an ad for it.

My point is that WB marketed the hell out of COP OUT. What happened? Well, it still didn't live up to Kevin's wildest dreams. But what does he do? Not blame his directing or editing, or the script. And he can't blame the marketing, because it was everywhere. He can't blame a Halloween weekend release date, like he did with Z AND M. What does he do? He rationalizes by saying it didn't really have high aspirations, and then...he blames the critics.

I will add also that while I have become a fan of Pajiba (thanks, Kevin), Kevin has pretty much lost me as a fan of his person. It's been an accumulation of outbursts and patterns over time. (Even down to little things like his hatred of Drew Barrymore because he negatively interpreted a look from her at a premiere.) I'm not going to disparage him. I will just ignore his ramblings (marketing) on Twitter, his website, his podcasts, his Q and A's, and so on. I will still check out his films...IF I read a review from an established critic that encourages me.

(Check e-Bay for my Kevin Smith merch...all except my CLERKS one-sheet.)

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