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You Are Your Body and You're Doing it Wrong

By Courtney Enlow | Think Pieces | April 15, 2014 | Comments ()


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I’ve hit a point that makes me sad, and it’s the point where I’m not sure I want to read any stories about Mindy Kaling anymore.

It makes me sad because I love Mindy Kaling. I love The Mindy Project. I love so much of what she says and does. But I don’t love the narrative that surrounds her, and that narrative is that she is not a writer, producer or show runner. She is a Body. She is her Weight. And she is doing it Wrong.

Did you know that Mindy Kaling is a non-skinny woman of color? Of course you did. It’s all that matters about her. Did you know that Lena Dunham is a body type atypical of that normally seen on television and every nude scene is a point? Of course you did. It’s all that matters about her. These are two women, running their own shows to critical and fan acclaim and all anyone talks about is their bodies and why their bodies and what they do with them are wrong.

Yesterday, Time released a piece on Kaling’s role in the “body-image wars.” And in a stunning moment of irony, the writer joined the battle without even realizing it.

Kaling’s show The Mindy Project, which she stars in and writes, never fails to tease her insecurities or her so-called atypical size. At times the jokes are actually hilarious and very relatable, like a fan favorite that’s often quoted: “I’m not overweight, I fluctuate between chubby and curvy.” But others, while funny, seem unnecessary. On a recent episode, when her character excused herself from work for an appointment, a colleague asked if she was getting lap-band surgery. Later in the episode, when she sat on a man’s lap, the chair crumbled beneath them.

And the conversation continues on social media where Kaling has become known for her frank comments about weight. When she posted a fan’s illustration of herself on Instagram using the hashtag #thickthighs, troves of followers applauded what they thought was hilarious and honest. “It takes a lot of effort to look like a normal-slash-chubby woman!” Kaling told Jimmy Kimmel when explaining the backhanded compliments she receives from fans about her shape.

The article goes on to end with a quote from Kenneth Weiner, founder of the Eating Recovery Center: “Poking fun at yourself because you’re larger? If anything, I see that as part of the problem.”

Dr. Weiner’s belief, while commendable, rubs me the wrong way. Because, at its heart, the message is this: that our bodies are not our own to love, tease, laugh at, admire or own.

I struggled for years with an eating disorder. Bulimia, specifically. So I am careful about what I say around my daughter, even at her young age of nearly 2 years old, because I want to be a good body-image role model. But her body is hers. Mine is mine. The human body is a silly, ridiculous thing. If I want to laugh at it, I will.

Because I know there is a difference between hating your body for its flaws and loving your body, quirks and all. And the bigger issue for me is not that Mindy Kaling writes in jokes about her size, jokes that are relatable and enjoyable and ultimately meaningless. The meaning comes in from these think pieces and profiles telling us why she’s wrong for doing it while reinforcing that’s all she is, and lambasting her for doing what they’ve already done for her—reducing her to nothing but a size and a number on a scale. She does not possess her own form, thus allowing her to use it and speak of it how she wants without others feeling compelled to do the same, while criticizing her for it. She is a Body. And she is doing it Wrong.

Be fit and healthy. Own your looks. Love yourself. But don’t dare speak of it. Don’t be all that big, because that’s irresponsible and dangerous and that’s bad. Don’t be too thin, because that’s irresponsible and dangerous and that’s bad, too. Don’t laugh at yourself. Don’t take yourself too seriously. Don’t celebrate yourself for looking good, because looks don’t matter. Don’t sell us bullshit about eating pizza and drinking beer when you’re a size two, and don’t admit to eating nothing but micro greens and lemon water. Don’t show too much skin, because that makes you skanky. Don’t dress crazy—you’re trying too hard to get attention. Don’t talk about or have insecurities because you’re beautiful just the way you are. Be yourself and love yourself. Within these parameters, that is.

Because you are a Body. And you’re doing it Wrong.



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  • competitivenonfiction

    One of the things I have a hard time with these days is the plethora of articles about how we (usually women) can't win... I don't entirely know how to explain this but, here goes: I'm not trying to win anything. I'm not trying to be the most successful, the most beautiful, the perfect wife or the perfect mother. I just want a happy life and to leave the world in better shape than it was when I came into it.

    So, yeah I can't win if I'm a size zero or if I'm a size 10, or if I'm a working mom or a stay at home mom or whatever other strange dichotomy someone wants to distract me with, because that's completely beside the point. Because you absolutely can't win if you're letting other people decide what shape your life or your body should take.

    I digress... I am completely exhausted with these conversations and need to stop reading them because the only sure fire way to make sure I can't "win" is if I keep convincing myself that winning is somehow a real thing. And they keep distracting me from dealing with the things I'm far more passionate about than whether or not I fit into my jeans.

  • Uriah_Creep

    I don't think people like Courtney use the word "win" in that manner. You don't have to be the most beautiful or the skinniest person, the perfect wife or mother to "win" at life. I think it's more about doing what one can to improve oneself, and attaining happiness within our own life's circumstances. If we can do that, then don't we "win" at life?

  • competitivenonfiction

    Absolutely - I really meant to criticize the same articles that Courtney is criticizing, not so much her response, though right now, even the measured, intelligent responses to these articles are exhausting, because it seems like there are just so many of them.

  • Kate

    I don't know, I find Mindy grating for the same reason I find Tina Fey grating. They are both attractive women, but they mostly find humor in other people calling them ugly or fat, or pretending they are ugly or fat. Because being unattractive and overweight is good for an easy laugh. More than anything else, it's lazy writing, but it is harmful for some people. Tina Fey writing a joke about her gigantic hips while she's wearing size 2 jeans or Mindy joking about lap band surgery when she's probably no more than a couple of pounds overweight...that's not going to make anyone bigger than them feel too good about themselves. If nothing else it makes you wonder what other people think when they look at you. Mindy and Tina make women's bodies the punchline. They aren't joking about their own bodies, because they don't even begin to fit the description of what they're joking about.

    I want more characters like Leslie Knope. I can't think of a single time her weight or her looks have been discussed on P&R. Because of that, Amy doesn't get dragged into these conversations about body image, because it's just a non-issue on her show.

  • TacoBellRey

    Speaking of Amy Poehler, she has this awesome YouTube Channel called Smart Girls. It's just full of amazing girl power things that make me so happy.

  • Thank you. I will say 30 Rock was way more bearable since they often gave Liz something to do other than make jokes about her body. She did her job and dealt with people--sometimes even women people--on a daily basis.

  • Modernlove

    Good lord, if I could like this 17 more times, I would. This is exactly what I wanted to say, but couldn't figure out how. I sometimes feel like that by a woman making jokes about her appearance, she's implicitly saying that it's okay for everyone else to do that and just...no. I get that it's mostly done because if we make the joke first, it hurts less or takes the power away from others, but does it really?

  • Donna SHerman

    That last paragraph is perfection.

  • asherlev1

    This brought me to tears. Thank you.

  • UMNomad

    I just want to say up front that I love the Mindy Project and I have no qualms about it. This article did bring up some questions for me though - there's at least a little validity in asking "Ehhh, is this a good message to send?" regarding certain jokes. I'm mostly thinking about the joke involving her coworkers assuming she got lapband surgery and the chair collapsing thing. My problem (which isn't really a problem, as again, my issues only come up in context of this post) is that the writers are sending a message to the audience that Mindy, a not-super-slim but also not-unhealthy person, might be the type of person that NEEDS that surgery. Will people of her size look at themselves and think, "Oh my god, could I break a chair? Do I need lapband? Is that what my friends think of me?"

    Again, this is never a problem I had with the show, but the article made me think that it's at least a valid question.

  • competitivenonfiction

    It's funny because sometimes, watching the Mindy Project, I feel like we're seeing it from her perspective. People do totally make strange jokes or comments about the weight of perfectly healthy women. Sometimes I feel like the show is making fun of those people and Mindy's responses (e.g. "What?! I'm like a cloud!") are a more confident response than other ways of taking it... but then there are episodes like the one where she decides to start working out... I don't really get what Kaling is trying to say with all this.

  • UMNomad

    I think that's an interesting interpretation, but if that's her goal, then maybe I don't think so highly of her as a writer? I just feel like the joke is always "hah, fatty!" then "Hah, delusional fatty - pshhh a cloud," - which then gets reinforced when a chair breaks out from under her.

    I think this particular weight issue, though, extends beyond just The Mindy Project, though - I remember Adam Pally CONSTANTLY got fat jokes directed his way during Happy Endings (which I still miss to this day) and... he's not fat. Mindy's not fat. I'd love it if writers stopped telling us that everyone who isn't the lovely Eliza Coupe is morbidly, disgustingly fat.

  • competitivenonfiction

    I guess what I'm trying to say (very poorly - so sleep deprived...) is that I sort of tried to give this a more generous interpretation, but it doesn't line up with other parts of the show.

    The fact that people make such strange comments about a perfectly normal, beautiful woman is great fodder for comedy (e.g. Monica Geller and her mom, the episode of the Office where they argue about whether or not Hilary Swank is hot), and I'm hoping that Mindy has some sort of master plan here that is so much better than "make fun of non-size zero women. Take home money."

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Her office, particularly for a doctors' office, particularly for an OB-GYN office, is incredibly hostile about body issues. I can't think of a single episode I've seen where there wasn't a jibe about someone's weight. Kind of under the guise of "It was a good line, so laugh, even if you think it's wrong."

  • Bert_McGurt

    They do seem to go to that well really often. I think Danny's the only one of the four doctors who hasn't had his weight become a plot point.

  • Mrs. Julien

    "Love myself? I have never thought of such a thing .... Not love, but a sort of amused tolerance, has been my conscious attitude toward myself."
    (Robertson Davies Murther and Walking Spirits)

    And, mostly, not even that.

  • BWeaves

    One of things I love about "Call the Midwife" is that Chummy is the romantic lead. She's the one with the magnetic personality. She's the one that got a great boyfriend, and then married him and has a wonderful marriage. And not once has there been a joke about her looks.

  • B. Garcia

    Miranda Hart rocks that role.

  • scary biscuits

    Love Chummy. This actually reminds me of how much I loved Sookie on Gilmore Girls. She was a very successful chef, wife, mother, while her weight was a non-issue.

  • Songkhla

    It’s funny because I relate so much to everything you say in your last paragraph and even as a grown up (lets go with older than mid-twenties) woman I still struggle with it. I work in a male dominated field and I’ve been told all of those things in one way or another. "You should cut your long hair off so that the men in your office will take you more seriously" and "make sure you don’t dress in too much black because you will come across as severe and unwelcoming" or "you should always wear heels because they make you seem powerful and sexy" but "don’t dress in anything too tight or revealing because then you’ll be seen as pretty but dumb". The fact that I’m hard working and a team asset falls second to how I look. It sometimes feels like you can’t win and I honestly think that the only thing you can do is laugh. Laugh at people’s advice, laugh at the bad haircut you got to be taken "seriously" and own the way you look. I think it’s great she faces it head on and jokes about it.

  • Miss Laaw-yuhr

    You should do with that what should be done with most advice: toss that shit right out the window. You're right - you can't win, so dress in whatever makes you feel best. Be confident; act confident, and definitely don't take shit off of anybody about your appearance.. People will respond to *that*.

  • "I work in a male dominated field"

    Jesus, the post office seems sexist as FUCK.

    /try the veal

  • hapl0

    I'm pretty sure the Doc was referring to those who gets confused in all of this.

  • logan

    I love it when Mindy smiles she goes from pretty to beautiful IMO.

  • Tinkerville

    Well said, Courtney. I do think that a distinction needs to be made between someone like Kaling using humor to laugh about her own body type, and the "Mike and Molly" style jokes on television that come across as much more fat shaming. Of course, the difference there is Kaling has the power over her show and presumably wouldn't be saying things she didn't find funny and empowering in their own way, but it's possible that there's a fine line between the two for audiences watching who might be sensitive to the issue.

  • Plums

    Yes, I agree with you, but I think this point has been stated over and over again. My point being, I get the urge to state a rebuttal, but it perpetuates the discussion you're asking people not to have. If you let the ego go, you would heed your own advice and not write an entire article about it.

  • The Other Agent Johnson

    Wait, what? So, people are being dickheads, but if we just don't talk about it or write about it or call them out on it, they'll stop being dickheads? Is that the rationale you're espousing?

  • Plums

    Partially. One, Courtney's primary argument is that we shouldn't be talking about Mindy Kaling's weight so much...that she is more than just that. Yet this entire article is just about Mindy Kaling's weight, with little to no discussion of her writing/acting/producing merits. So, I think this article does more harm than good by just adding fuel to the fire. When dickheads say something that is just so absurd, the best way to handle it is to not give their statements any merit by responding with something most people already agree with. Again, if you respond, you're just perpetuating the discussion about Mindy's body (rather than her talents). Two, I think that the author's rebuttal has already been made by many other people, so I guess the dickheads already have their response.

    Basically, I'm just pointing out that if the point of your article is to say that we shouldn't be discussing Mindy's weight, then why are you writing an article entirely about Mindy's weight? Practice what you preach.

  • Yossarian

    There's this idea that the best approach to certain complex issues is to pretend that they don't exist at all. That to acknowledge body image, or gender, or race, is to draw attention to it and provoke a negative reaction. But this doesn't work because human beings don't work that way. We notice these things. Pretending that we shouldn't just adds to the shame and problem of unhealthy social responses. We're never not going to see race, or gender, or bodies.

    What we can control is our reaction, and how we think about them. Courtney's point- which is an important one- is that the problem isn't acknowledging that Mindy Kaling has a body, the problem is trying to assert from the outside that she's doing it wrong, or that there's a right and wrong way, or that her body has some obligation to serve some social purpose for other people.

    The correct response isn't to pretend that differences don't exist, it's to withhold judgement and allow people to be without projecting your own expectations about how they should be and what it says and what it means. That there really is no "doing it wrong". Whether she's owning it or hiding it or losing it or whatever.

    And frequent reminders of that can be worthwhile.

  • Plums

    You are misapplying my point - which is meant solely for this individual article - to how you assume I think everything should be handled. That's unfair and doesn't actually respond to my argument. I'm not making a larger commentary on when and when isn't the appropriate time to "pretend [complex issues] don't exist at all."

    All I am saying, is that what I took to be one of (a few) Courtney's points is that she thinks we should be talking more about Mindy's merits. ("But I don’t love the narrative that surrounds her, and that narrative is that she is not a writer, producer or show runner. She is a Body. She is her Weight. And she is doing it Wrong.")

    Again, my simple point is that if you don't think we should be talking Mindy's weight all the time (vs. talking about her merits as a writer), then why are you talking about Mindy's weight?

    Furthermore, as I said before, I don't think anyone is really ignoring the complex issue of weight in society. I think there's about 500 articles on it a day.

  • Yossarian

    But Courtney isn't talking about Mindy's weight, she's talking about the discussion of it in popular culture, specifically the idea people on all sides have that Mindy's body has to mean something to us and that we therefor get some say in judging that meaning as good or bad, right or wrong.

    There's a distinction there, just like you're not talking about Mindy's weight (right?) you're commenting on Courtney's piece and it's value.

    And if I understand your point it's that this didn't need to be written because there's already too much discussion of the issue and bringing it up at all is counter productive.

    And I disagree because so much of that conversation is bad, and I think the perspective here is good and valuable and worth sharing. That there's something fundamentally wrong with applying a narrative to someone else's body, even if you think you're doing it for the right reasons. It's why that Jezebel Lena Dunham photo thing was such a horrible decision. Because it doesn't even matter at that point what their intentions actually were, it's dehumanizing to use other people's bodies to make your narrative, and that the way other people use their own bodies is first and foremost their own choice. And it should be such a fundamental thing but in our rush to make a good point on the internet we trample right over it, and think our ego entitles us to some say.

    And so I don't think this Think Piece "perpetuates the discussion you're asking people not to have." I don't think you can lump it in with the discussion it's criticizing. And I think you're missing the value that that criticism can have and not giving enough credit to the argument being presented.

  • Plums2

    Hmm, I keep drafting different responses and deleting them. After re-reading the article and the clarification of your argument, I agree with your summation of one of Courtney's arguments, but you are arguing the point that I'm not arguing about. Also, I disagree that Courtney isn't talking about Mindy's weight at all. I think you meant that the central point of the piece isn't about Mindy's weight, but that doesn't mean she doesn't talk about Mindy's body and weight at all...she explicitly talks about it several times and it's the whole reason this article even exists in the first place. Which is the problem.

    Your takeaway, as I understand it, is that Courtney is criticizing the content, spirit, and selfish motivations behind the discussion about Mindy's weight. My takeaway is your takeaway, plus that Courtney is condemning that there is a narrative at all about Mindy's weight, rather than her merits. My argument was directed at this second part.

    Perhaps it's just ironic - and not hypocritical like I initially postured - that by condemning others for only writing things about Mindy's weight, you are also talking a lot about Mindy's weight, thereby increasing the awareness in people's minds and encouraging an opinion about Mindy's weight.

    I also think you're underestimating how much we're conditioned by social constructs to recognize certain differences. That is, while I agree that it's human nature to say hey, that's different, I don't think it necessarily follows that our pure human nature (unblemished by social constructs) always categorizes it as being so different that we need to consciously think about it and let it affect our judgment of the person. We simply don't make judgments about everything we notice about someone. Rather, I think that for most things, society making a big deal out of superficial things (like repeated articles about celebrity weight) teaches us to care about those things.

    I disagree with what your statement that "we notice these things" implies, which is that we inevitably place a value judgment when people look different because that's human nature. I argue that correct, being human - as well as any creature with eyesight - means we notice these things but what we decide is actually important to judge is largely (but not completely) dictated by societal constructs. And what fuels those societal constructs which say what we should care about? These discussions and media articles.

    So yes, I do think that sometimes it's actually is better to just completely stop the discussion, rather than further cement it into their minds that that is an important difference we should care about. Especially if your argument is that we shouldn't be talking about it. Even if one is advocating that we shouldn't focus on weight, I think you're underestimating the effect that highlighting the issue at all makes people perk up and think a little harder about the weight of the next person they see. So then that brings me back to my initial point that I think the author would better serve her ideal by not talking about it at all.

    I think the flaw in both of our arguments is that we can't really know which is the better way to handle it. On one end, I think my argument is very true but overly idealistic for the current state of affairs...our society has driven the value of weight in our minds so much that is it really possible for everyone to stop discussion and stop caring? Perhaps, but that would take a lot of cooperation and probably a generation to actually work the way I argue it should...it's probably not possible at this point.

    On the other hand, your argument seems more realistic (at first) because society has already convinced us that weight matters. You're basically advocating that by having this discussion, humanity's thinking will eventually evolve to a place where we won't project our expectations on other people's body. I think that ends up being pretty idealistic too...if anything, we'll just get sick to death of all this meta-commentary and move onto something else to talk about judging. But I'm not so sure we'll start withholding judgments about weight by talking about it all the time.

    I think the way to do that is by introducing more body types into media and pop culture and not shouting on about it...thus, it becomes normalized, which in turn makes people forget that it's something different that they should care about and judge.

    Criticism is valuable sometimes, not always. In my opinion, this criticism isn't valuable toward the goal of having people stop making a narrative about other people's weight, which the goal Courtney articulated. I guess part of my argument is that think pieces should be thought through better...they are often just a kneejerk response when something makes them feel a strong opinion (which is what you also seem to be condemning). I think this piece has some good points, but the way those points are expressed detract from its persuasiveness. So, while this article may be all well and good for the person casually reading this that already generally agrees with her points, it's not going to do much to change anyone else's mind. And isn't that the point of these think pieces? To get people to critically think and perhaps even change their own viewpoints?

    I think if anything, it's valuable to a reader who has felt put out by the way things like weight are put on blast in the media and is glad to find people who feel the same way.

  • Yossarian

    I can agree with most of that, or at least agree to disagree.

    It's my general belief that you don't make progress by stifling or suppressing conversation in hopes that bad thinking will go away. I think the only path to correcting harmful social constructs is to talk through them, to examine them and see their flaws and reject them. Sure, it's idealistic and a lot of people aren't going to make it all the way through and they'll get hung up on sticking points along the way and be imperfect, but it's not like those people weren't going to be wrong anyway. Individuals are flawed. The culture as a whole is capable of evolving, but it's always an additive, not a regressive process.

    Not talking about it or criticizing it doesn't make it go away, it just keeps some good, progressive, thought-provoking ideas out of the discussion (I don't think Courtney was advocating any bad ideas). I doubt her piece is going to make people subconsciously more aware of the weight of others around them than they already are. But I think it might make some people more consciously aware of their reactions, even well-intentioned reactions, and by making people critical of their own thinking it adds value.

    The end result, I agree, is normalizing the differences and muting the conversation. But I think we get their by accepting and internalizing the good ideas, not just avoiding the bad ideas.

  • Plums2

    We seem to largely agree. I also think the marketplace of ideas is invaluable and there should never be suppression of speech just because something has been talked about to death. But, I still think people should heed your advice and well, think a little more about what and how you're stating a point before publishing as a "think piece" it on a media site.

    I guess I see this article as employing the same tactics it's condemning, and that's something a lot of "think pieces" end up doing. It's essentially using Mindy's weight - and Mindy's willingness to talk about her weight - to push her own personal point of views. I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong, but it is what it's condemning. True, she has to discuss Mindy's weight in some capacity to make her point about the commentary...and to that point, maybe I'm ultimately criticizing how she crafted the article. I see a lot more talk about bodies and how we should (or shouldn't) think and talk about them than I do criticism of commentators. I think this point is especially salient now, where there is so much content and people just click, skim, and absorb the most readily available point. Here, I think the extensive talk of bodies and weight defeats the author's own point. I don't think it's what she meant for it to be, but again, like you've also said, most people are in a rush to get their opinion to an audience without critically thinking about their argument or how to craft it.

    If she felt that she needed to talk about weight so much to get her point across, then she shouldn't have made the point that there shouldn't be a narrative on weight. She IS writing her own narrative on how we should think about weight and bodies, as well as a criticism of the commentary.

  • Plums2

    TL:DR: I agree that Courtney was making the point you stated. I think she also made another point, which is what I was talking about. I disagree with some of the assumptions underlying your argument. To address those, I end up applying it to a broader picture, even though my initial argument was reserved for the article.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I can't comment on the think pieces, per se. I mean, that "doctor" quoted does sound like a dick.

    I can say that I find myself rolling my eyes rather than laughing at the majority of the self-deprecating heavy jokes, specifically the two jokes mentioned in the last episode, which were jarring in the moment. There's a difference between a character wielding humor like a weapon, making the joke before you can, and a writer (or room full of them) doing it.

  • Bert_McGurt

    He may sound like a dick, but he's DEFINITELY a Weiner.

  • While I don't think it's great that Mindy Kaling and her show are surrounded by the same body issue conversations over and over, I have a hard time figuring out what else to talk about with her show. The big themes on her show are body image, boys, and Mindy's character never actually doing her job.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Yup. I took it off my dvr list after the double episode. I found it disappointing that they destroyed a good relationship she had so she could hook up with a coworker, instead of her actually paying any emotional consequences for her behavior in LA. And then they deal with the hook up or-is-it-something-meaningful in one episode, with no significant repercussions. And...it's not making me laugh. There are some funny lines, but most of them are about bros being gross bros. The only thing that actually made me laugh out loud in that hour was Peter freaking out about seeing his sister's topless pic.

  • I think the big point is that it's never been a well written show. I really want to like Mindy Kaling, but she does not put out quality work.

  • The doc is looking at it from a health perspective, though. I imagine health professionals are exasperated with the state of the American physique and are consequently oversensitive to any messaging that doesn't explicitly preach health/exercise.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    having now read the quote in context, I don't think it's about physical health, so much as saying that calling attention to your size yourself isn't always the best route to take. But it's a fairly vague comment (which makes it even more pointless).

  • InternetMagpie

    Maybe doctors who aren't specifically treating the person in question should shut the fuck up.

    I guess they should shut the fuck up if they WERE treating the person in question, too.

  • Not sure telling health professionals to "shut the fuck up" about obesity is the way to go here. Completely separate issue from the point of this column, though.

    There's a health perspective and a social perspective. The doctor was speaking from the former.

  • InternetMagpie

    My point is that the doctor cannot speak to the "health perspective" of someone he is not treating. I get he's doing it out of concern that obesity is an epidemic, but he doesn't know that this person in particularly is unhealthy, and therefore can't really pass judgment on how that person's statements may or may not be part of the problem.

  • Salad_Is_Murder

    Hey, Idiot, forget the "health perspective", the health reality is that obesity related diseases are the 2nd leading cause of preventable death in the United States at over 300,000 per year.

    Try and wrap your tiny, reactionary mind around that for a second if you're able. Over a quarter million people will eat themselves to death this year and you don't think a doctor, whom I would imagine if far, FAR, more qualified to weigh in (oops, did I do that?) on this "perspective" than would know what was going on...without specifically treating that person?

  • Gauephat

    One can be overweight and healthy, but being overweight in no way benefits health. It's a pretty safe issue to make generalizations about.

  • TherecanbeonlyoneAdmin

    I'm doing so many other things wrong that my shape is somewhere close to dickety-eleventh on the list.

  • VonnegutSlut

    **Slow clap**

    You rock and that is all.

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