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Whatever Doesn't Kill You Simply Makes You Stranger: DC Comics To Reboot The Entire Universe

By TK | Posted Under Think Pieces | Comments (36)



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It’s no secret that DC Comics has been taking a beating from Marvel Comics for quite some time now. As the second of the two biggest comic book companies, it’s been in a decades-long struggle for dominance that, at least in the last couple of decades, hasn’t quite been able to catch the world’s eye as vividly as Marvel has (DC’s been firmly in the number 2 slot every year since 2002). The irony of this is, of course, that when you think of the most well-known superheroes of yesteryear and today, you’re likely to think of DC characters — Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman — all DC products, dating back decades.

The problem with DC — if we’re being intellectually honest, the problem with comic books, full stop — is that they’re confusing as a motherfucker. Comic books have been ever-evolving, constantly getting revamps and reboots and reimaginings, so much so that if you really paid attention to these constantly shifting stories and origins, it’d be hard to get too outraged at any cinematic reboot. Think the idea of X-Men: First Class is bad? Wade through a bit of comic book history and see just how puzzling things can get. Marvel is certainly guilty of it — one has to but look at Wolverine’s history to see just how bizarre and ridiculous retconning can be.

Yet no culprit is quite as guilty as the DC Comics universe has been. It’s bad enough that there exists what are conventionally known as the Bronze, Silver and Golden Ages of comic books — those are mainly based on history, storytelling maturation and artistic styles. But DC had so many conflicting storylines and ideas rattling around, involving different earths and origins for its characters, that it was simply dizzying. Different powers, costumes, origins, you name it, it was all there. Their solution was a series in the 80s called Crisis On Infinite Earths, which was sort of a “When Worlds Collide” storyline that was intended to simplify these various stories and formulate a common canon.

It didn’t exactly work. While some of the Crisis storylines were engaging, the whole product only barely helped clarify things. Then, DC went and fucked with things again with Infinite Crisis, and things remain, to this day, confusing as hell. It’s not helped by there being 100s of heroes and villains. To make matters worse, even killing them off isn’t reliable — either they’re somehow resurrected, or someone else takes up the mantle. This is how we ended up with a half-dozen Flashes and Green Lanterns. Christ, I don’t even think Bruce Wayne is Batman anymore. Seriously. If you really want to torture yourself, start at any DC hero’s Wikipedia page and just start to plunge through the rabbit hole. You’ll come out feeling like you just got kicked in the brain.

Anyway, after that long-winded and likely factually perilous introduction (I confess, I’m far more of a Marvel guy than DC), we come to the crux of today’s story. Rumor has abounded for quite some time that DC has been brewing crazy juice in the kettle again, and on Tuesday it was confirmed. In an article in USA Today, DC Comics’ co-publisher Dan Didio stated that they’re going back to square one — literally. Beginning in September, over fifty titles are simply going to start over. As in, they’ll revert back to issue one, and the stories start at a sort of zero-point. They’re literally re-numbering their series, and rebooting the whole damn universe. Sort of. In a clarification post, VP of Slaes Bob Wayne said:

“We have taken great care in maintaining continuity where most important, but fans will see a new approach to our storytelling. Some of the characters will have new origins, while others will undergo minor changes. Our characters are always being updated; however, this is the first time all of our characters will be presented in a new way all at once.”

Whatever. Regardless, they’re changing their game plan sustantially. They won’t be telling origin stories, per se, but rather, according to USA Today, “introducing stories that are grounded in each character’s specific legend but also reflect today’s real-world themes and events. (Jim) Lee spearheaded the costumes’ redesign to make characters more identifiable and accessible to comic fans new and old.” Meaning that they’re starting in the present, but essentially trying to eliminate much of the complexity, redundancy and flat-out insanity that comes with the history of some of the characters.

The first issue to be released will be “Justice League #1,” which will return the League to it’s most well-known lineup — Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash (no word on which Flash), Green Lantern (same question applies), and Aquaman (that’s right, no J’onn J’onzz). It’s a logical starting point, since the Justice League has always been sort of the central power base of heroes in the DC universe. From there, more than 50 titles will start to come out, all beginning with issue number one. To make things more interesting, all of the titles will also be released digitally. Although I’ve never really been able to enjoy digital comics — I’m a big Kindle fan, but reading comics on my computer or worse, my phone, has never appealed to me, it’s a smart step for the company, enabling fans to receive new issues instantly. But that’s hardly the main point of this discussion.

Personally? I think it’s a phenomenal, if risky idea. I freely admit that one of the things that’s kept me from catching up with DC titles is that I simply have no goddamned idea what’s going on. I drifted away from comic books for about 10 years after college, and then randomly started reading Marvel’s “New Avengers,” and you know what? I was able to slip back into the universe relatively easily. I recently picked up the Green Lantern graphic novel Blackest Night, and I had no fucking clue who 60% of the characters were. DC is just too goddamn complicated. This is a clean, if almost mercenary, way of cutting ties and starting over, without actually starting over. It’s likely to draw fans back into the fold, as well as hopefully generate some new ones. The effort is being spearheaded by writer Geoff Johns and artist Jim Lee, who are practically legends in the field. It’s got vast potential.

What does this mean for DC Comics-based films? Probably not much, to be honest. If anything, it’ll hopefully get the comics more fans, which will open the doors for more characters to get the film treatment. For years now, the real good stuff has come out of DC Animated’s films and television shows, which are almost universally loved and renowned. They’re usually excellent, but they also typically don’t delve too far into the complicated universe, and instead stick to the basic origin stories. Yet animated films are mostly for either kids or the hardcore fans, and everyone knows that major motion picture releases are where the money’s at. But DC is already gaining ground with movies like Green Lantern, which despite not being a particularly conventional character in terms of the layperson’s superhero knowledge, was cast and marketed in such a way as to pique the non-fan’s interest anyway. If anything, this revamping will simply create new opportunities.

I still don’t have much hope for Zack Snyder’s Superman, though.









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Comments

I have always had the same problem with trying to get into any DC characters. When it comes to DC vs. Marveil, I was always more of a Marvel guy and, more specifically, a X-Men/Wolverine guy.

I did read "Crisis On Infinite Earths", "Identity Crisis" and quite of the few of the more significant Batman stories like "Dark Knight Returns", "Hush", "Year One", "The Long Halloween", etc. The only DC character I ever followed closely was Deadshot. So, I've read all of the "Suicide Squad", "Villians United" and the "Secret Six".

The re-boot idea doesn't do anything for me. It's not going to get me to start reading these comics. That ship has sailed for me.

I do wonder how the re-boot in contunity of some many different books and major characters will impact lesser known characters (like Deadshot) or smaller books (like "Secret Six").

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at June 1, 2011 11:23 AM

It sounds like D.C. is just doing what Marvel did years ago with their "Ultimate" books. Not very inovative, but still should be fun.

Though I am unclear, are the other books going to vanish!? There is no way. Some of them are way to good to go away. Batman Incorporated? The entire Green Lanter saga since rebith through brightest day? It would be a huge mistake to vanish these.

Posted by: Mike D at June 1, 2011 11:30 AM

Are we forgetting about Chris Nolan's batman series? Or is that not considered DC?

Posted by: Trevor at June 1, 2011 11:31 AM

I tend to be more of a DC guy than a Marvel guy. Personally, I just find the characters more engaging. My friend and I had a huge conversation once about how Marvel and DC handle continuity.

What I like about DC is the fact that everything they've ever written is canon. My understanding is Marvel "reboots" all the time, which is fine and much more approachable. But once you have had time to digest the DC universe, it isn't that hard to make sense of it.

A major positive of DC's strategy is their universe seems so much more real and developed. This is because it has been shaped by 70 years of stories that still exist and still carry weight.

That said, I'm fine with this idea and I trust Geoff Johns to do great work.

Posted by: JackKlompus at June 1, 2011 11:45 AM

If I ran DC, I'd treat it something like this;

1. There are now only a handful of superheroes and they sit in an orbital Watchtower like gods on Olympus. The entire comic book line's continuity is directly affected by the main events that happen in the Justice League. There always need to be a certain number of active members so if an individual hero wants to handle a problem on Earth, someone else needs to take their place. The Justice league would be looked at by the world at large as a necessary evil that no one in general fully trusts.

2. Heavies like Batman and Superman are not full-time members as they have their own books and are therefore only called in when things are really bad.

3. Wonder Woman needs to be leader of the Justice League. She can no longer carry a solo title on her own yet she is far too important to relegate to bench-warmer. Perhaps changing status to a field general and not just second banana to the other two will help develop her into the strong character she once was. Also, I would change her costume to the Greek Warrior armor seen in Kingdom Come.

4.One thing I always liked about Marvel is that any hero can fight any villain. Oh sure there are some match-ups more common, but if Doc Ock really wanted to fight Daredevil instead of Spider-Man, it happened and nobody thought otherwise. In DC it's rare if ever that one hero's rogues battle any other hero. I mean have the Joker set up shot in Green Arrow's hometown, have Lex Luthor buyout Wayne Industries out from under Bruce, or have Metallo crush the Flash. Diversify your story options.

5. Another thing DC should consider is showing their heroes out of uniform more of the time. Marvel does a nice job showing their heroes as people first and heroes second. It might work if more readers can identify with the ordinary side of them, especially if their heroic sides are looked at as something divine.

6. Don't come up with new heroes for now, in fact I would retire a great deal of the ones that are lesser used and known. Keep the main core at maybe 20 to 24. And even so have some of them be reluctant in their duties- as an actual job not just as a source of fun. Everyone else has gone underground or into retirement. There are just too many heroes in the mix. They need to be looked at as something rare and special. If the world really did have this many heroes crawling around on it, there would be no crime as ordinary people would all be holed up crapping their pants in fear.

7. Stop with the reboots already. If you can't write about things to begin with, hitting the magic reset button like a strobe light won't fix things.

Posted by: bleujayone at June 1, 2011 11:49 AM

I might care if I thought they were going to do anything really interesting. Like Marvel's Ultimate line, I suspect we'll just get the same old stories done by new writers and artists. They're not going to make Superman a poor black kid from Watts or turn Batman and Catwoman into a pair of hard-drinking, married detectives or make Wonder Woman into a villain because there's too much money tied up in those characters and their mythology. If they planned to just dump 70 odd years of history and unshackled the writers, that would be fascinating but the fanboys will scream bloody murder. As it is, we'll just get the umpteenth retelling of Superman's origin along with Jim Lee's abysmal character designs.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at June 1, 2011 11:50 AM

I agree 100%, TK. I tried reading "Infinite Crisis" and gave up after 10 pages. I simply had no idea what the hell was happening. I recently got "The Return of Bruce Wayne from the library. I'd also read "Battle for the Cowl", "Return of Rha's Al Ghul" and "BATMAN: R.I.P." so I figured I was mostly up to date. Turns out I was pretty lost in that one too, since it had less to do with Batman: R.I P. and more to do with some sort of sacrifice he made at the end of Infinite Crisis. So I was baffled by how the two fit together. I picked up a Justice League book a while back and had no idea what was happening there either. So rebooting the whole damn thing isn't a bad idea at all if they want to bring in readers other than those that have religiously followed these books for years.

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 1, 2011 11:51 AM

DC has stated it wants to attract new readers to comics with this move, meaning not just winning readers away from Marvel. But I think the obstacles for new readership are so high, the only thing I am actually excited about is digital. There is a potential market for NEW buyers there, people who don't regularly go to comic shops.

But the print sales for these comics--their plan is puzzling to me. Launching 52 new titles in a month seems to ask new buyers not only to try out their books, but to jump in with both feet. It seems like they're making their titles compete with each other. Assuming these releases are staggered throughout a month, how many possible buyers will come in looking for Wonder Woman #1 only to find out it's shipping in 3 weeks? How many of them will come back?

Furthermore, I think the biggest drawback for new readers is the price of an individual comic. I'm really hoping they offer these new #1s for a reduced price ($.99?) so that people will more likely take a chance on more than 1 or 2 big titles.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at June 1, 2011 11:53 AM

@bleujayone

Most of your points sound like the Diniverse.

Posted by: Vi at June 1, 2011 12:24 PM

If they really wanted to sell a lot of comics, like the millions they were selling back in the early fifties, there's a simple solution: make them accessible to children. There will never be more than a handful of adults who can really get into super-hero stories, but every ten-year-old boy loves them. Make the comics cheaper (three bucks for a 22-page story is absurd), and stop piling on the continuity so that each new crop of kids can get into them.

Posted by: Todd at June 1, 2011 12:28 PM

I'm calling bullshit. Not on them doing the thing; that's happening. No, I'm calling bullshit on the implications.

New readers aren't really coming to superhero comics. DC is not going to attract nearly so many new readers as they would lose in old readership were they to really collapse the old continuity. It's an unwieldy fucking beast, DC continuity, but it is precious to us fans. Some of my favorite characters are results of the whole damn soupiness of that universe.

What's going to happen is this, and mark my words: all fifty of these "reboots" will be folded back into the main continuity, or the main continuity will bleed into them. Either way, we end up with that big ass DC Universe again, and it's just a little more complicated while the fans of those fifty titles are pissed that historically high issue numbers are being callously subtracted.

Posted by: coryo at June 1, 2011 12:41 PM

Recently Marvel almost universally raised the prices of their comics to four dollars. This is too much for a 22 page magazine which is already paid for with advertisments.

Because of this I have struggled to get back into DC. They're droping to 20 pages, but keeping the three dollar price-tag (sure, it's only a dollar, but that dollar adds up when you're buying three or four comics each week).

And I've found it almost impossible. I mean, I'm not an idiot. If the comic tells me that Bruce Wayne has been trapped in the bowels of history for the last two years and the first Robin has taken on the mantle in his absence -- okay, I get that. But I don't care. I don't pick up a Batman comic so I can read some convoluted cosmic time-traveling adventure. I pick up Batman because I want to watch him solve a mystery, punch the Joker, and swoop down on someone in a dark alleyway (and I certainly don't care to watch him gather a Batmen army from around the world, or whatever). I pick up Superman so I can watch him fly through the sky and battle cosmic entities or imps from the 5th dimension, not so I can watch him walk through the ghetto and misquote famous literature.

DC has done too much to try and repair their convoluted history, and this is just the latest misstep. Are they going to get their characters back into the swing of things? Sure, maybe. Do they need to reboot everything from book one to acheive this? For the life of me, I can't imagine why.

Marvel handles their continuity much better. Once upon a time Iron Man was born out of the Korean War. Now it's the first Iraqi war. Someday it will be World War Z. And who cares? They didn't feel the need to show us ANOTHER origin story. They don't need to reboot the entire continuity of their whole line to reinvent the character. They just say, "Look, it doesn't matter. What's important is that he was a war profiteer who has changed his ways. See? Character."

DC has had this bug up their butt since the 80's. The more they try to fix things, the more they just muddle it up.

Posted by: pastorasente at June 1, 2011 1:12 PM

What Tracer Bullet said X 1000

This is just another cash grab by DC. All these reboots are nothing more than a way to start at issue #1 and debut new, grittier or sexier outfits for their heroes and to reintroduce their villains again.

Posted by: Fredo at June 1, 2011 2:10 PM

Yeah, my major foray into the DC Universe was Final Crisis. I was like "WTF, I don't even..." I then did some research and learned about Identity Crisis, and all of the other "Crisis" and even after readon all of those, i still had no clue what was going on. Everything branched off of so many other storylines. Then I got to Blackest Night and learned I needed to read so many other "events" to even have a mild understanding of anything. "Oh, so to understand this about the GL Corps, I should read Green Lantern: Rebirth. But WTF is happening?! Now I should read Sinestro Corps War? But what is happening in THAT?!" So on and so on.

I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, since I like actually catching up on all the major events but, you're right, its such a huge barrier of entry to the Universe. Seriously, you read anything current with Batman in it and HE'S NOT FUCKING BRUCE WAYNE, readers will probably just walk away.

My point: the reboot is probably not the worst thing DC can do at this point.

Posted by: JapJay at June 1, 2011 2:13 PM

I've been following this since yesterday, and after reading this post, and scanning the ensuing comments, there's something being missed here in Pajibaland: DC is rebooting/retconning/streamlining/whatever-you-to-call-it-ing at the same time they're going to day-and-date digital distribution. That is the huge news. Personally, I'm not too excited by the idea of a suddenly non-Morrison influenced/controlled Bat-Universe, but it won't be the end of the world if a lot of that changes (my fingers are crossed for Batwoman).

But, the digital distribution, combined with the reboot (or, at the very least, a renumbering) is wholly designed to generate new readers outside the scope of comic book stores. It may work, it may not. They may alienate a loyal fanbase and not attract new ones. I don't know if DC has thought it all out -- this shouldn't be a press release announcement, for one, it should be the start of a media/ad blitzkrieg -- but they could be doing it far, far worse.

My biggest problem, really, is that it's mostly motivated by finances and not creativity. So, it may all fail just because the stories don't work, and then they'll go right back to the way things were. Which was broken, but sort of working. Hey, comics are a funny business. /sadtrombone

(Now, to read all your comments above me.)

Posted by: RobP at June 1, 2011 2:21 PM

This has very little effect on me, as the few comics that I do read on occasion are never any of the big titles. Still, I enjoyed this column and the information. Thanks, TK!

Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 1, 2011 2:35 PM

Okay, some quick points of clarification: Bruce Wayne is still Batman; he's just one of two Batmen, and one of several international "Batmen" now. It's not even confusing. Dick Grayson is in Gotham, Bruce Wayne is building Batman Inc. It may sound silly, but it isn't hard to grasp.

Also, $4 for a 22 page, full color comic (Without ads, seriously, when was the last time a monthly floppy had more than one or two ads in it? Most have none. That, stupidly, died around the 00s, and is probably one reason comics have stagnated commercially) is verging on too much. But really, anything less than $3 and they start losing even more money and then nobody gets to read super hero comics, anymore. Speaking as someone who prints comics on occasion, a full color 22 page comic (no ads) costs about $2.25 for a single copy. I'm sure DC gets a reduced rate for bulk orders, probably dropping it to $1.75 a copy. So, at $3, they're not even making a 100% return on their initial investment, and they still have editors, writers, artists, and janitors to pay. Dropping the price for a print book is not feasible, and this is why the digital distribution angle is so important. Basically, whatever they charge for those, that will be nothing but profit. It's the smartest, easiest to grasp part of their plan, assuming they beat the pirates to the punch.

Also, bluejayone, I'm right there with you on decreasing the number heroes there are, and by extension their number of titles. And Wonder Woman as the leader of the Justice League is spot-on. I also must see a Batman and Catwoman version of The Thin Man now, Tracer. Right now. Make it happen!

Posted by: RobP at June 1, 2011 2:39 PM

Personally? I think it’s a phenomenal, if risky idea.

"Risky" doesn't begin to cover it. They're announcing fifty-two new #1 issues. You know how many DC Universe comics DC publishes right now? About thirty-five. And half of those sell for crap. In fairness, they sell for crap because they are crap; DC has mismanaged its creative talent for years and alienated a bunch of rising stars thanks to heavy-handed editorial control. (There are reasons Marvel is doing so well, and one of them is that they nurture their relationships with their talent exceptionally well.) DC probably can manage about eight to fifteen creative teams capable of turning out a decent, entertaining comic. What are they gonna do for the other thirty-five comics?

This is an enormous, massive overextension of the brand, plain and simple, and if they don't get the fabled new readers who will suddenly be willing to shell out three bucks for a comic book just because of a story reboot, they're probably going to be seriously fucked.

Posted by: mightygodking at June 1, 2011 2:55 PM

DC does this crap all the time. It's like killing superheroes. None of it will be permanent. The only time a reboot ever worked was when Marvel did it, and it wasn't even a real reboot, just an alternate continuity, with the regular books running uninterrupted. The Ultimate Universe worked so well was because Bendis and Millar, two terrific writers, were covering the Greatest Hits of the 616. Good stories.

The only way to attract more fans is to have GOOD STORIES. And good stories are dictated by CHARACTER, not editorial fiat. Without solid character-driven writing leading the way, this is all just another publicity stunt.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at June 1, 2011 3:03 PM

Vi,

Actually they are more like the AlexRoss&MarkWaid..er..Verse of Kingdom Come with the orbital Watchtower being Green Lantern's "New Oa", and in that one there was a severe culling of heroes/villains but in that case it was due to a nuclear blast over a major meta-human battle. The result of that event severely reduced then number and due to the nuke being a result of regular humans voting to do so, severely limited the involvement of the survivors in everyday activity.

And in a perfect world, DC would have never strayed from John Byrne's version of Superman either. It was simple, it was streamlined, it respected its legacy and still made it accessible to new readers without alienated the longtimers. And then people insisted on adding more and more ingredients to the formula in an attempt to leave their own fingerprints on the icon. The results always leave a bad aftertaste.

Posted by: bleujayone at June 1, 2011 3:48 PM

Yeah, I haven't read any of the comments but this explains what one of my comic-insider friends was talking about the other day on Facespace. As a long time comic nerd and DC Nation fanboy, my initial comment is:

"NNnnnnnnnyyyyyaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!! Why? Why why why why why??? What they HELL, DC? All the Crisis? (Infinte Earths, Infinite and Final), the Blackest Nights, the Brightest Days, and the recently started Flashpoint? Just so you can START OVER?"

Frankly I think this is really gonna be more like an "arbitrary renumbering" instead of a "do-over" or retcon. Yeah I'm sure there will be retcon elements all over the place. Hell I'm still getting used to Jor-El with a beard. The only reason I think renumbering is rock stupid, is that Action Comics and Detective Comics have basically never stopped publishing, and have EARNED their high numbers. Action released issue 900 recently, a milestone in comics history.

Now it's going to start over with Action Comics 1? GL no like.

Posted by: Green Lantern at June 1, 2011 4:23 PM

I was waiting for someone to break the silence. But hey. Who am I to complain? I'm back in the League baby! Back on the cover!

...what are 'fans'?

Posted by: Aquaman at June 1, 2011 4:43 PM

Maybe I'll introduce you to some one day, Arthur.

Maybe after the premiere of MY HOLLYWOOD MOVIE! *BOOSH*, KING OF THE SEAS!

I'll be in my trailer (I love saying that)...

Posted by: Green Lantern at June 1, 2011 4:50 PM

How is two Batmen, with Bruce Wayne not even the Batman of Gotham, NOT confusing to someone who hasn't been following WTF has been happening in DC?

Knowing that prior to diving into the Universe is helpful and, sure, you can start to piece things together. However, wasn't part of TK's point that something that should be a given [Batman=Bruce Wayne], turns out not be, and therefore the laymen has a very convoluted and confusing Universe to wade through when all they may want to read is Bruce Wayne as Batman?

I was going to re-iterate TK's comment about the multiple GL's and Flashes with explamples of all of the Supermans out there, but then I saw Superman Blue and just closed that tab. Not saying Marvel is any better but how is that not just daunting to deal with if you want to start reading DC books?

Posted by: JapJay at June 1, 2011 4:51 PM

So nobody should even consider buying a DC comic for the next few months? Solid business plan.

Posted by: Craigilicious at June 1, 2011 4:58 PM

...And this is why, Marvel Comics will always be far superior.

Posted by: Illuminatus at June 1, 2011 5:11 PM

How is two Batmen, with Bruce Wayne not even the Batman of Gotham, NOT confusing to someone who hasn't been following WTF has been happening in DC? - JapJay

TK's point about confusing history/continuity is apt. But the the fact that there are two Batmen, operating in different parts of the world, is not confusing. I don't read any other DC books regularly besides various, occasionally random Bat-Family titles, and I've never had a problem understanding what Batman is doing. Well, I did have to read Final Crisis to get to Bruce Wayne's death/return, but that was a mess, as it featured the rest of the DCU and Batman only played a small part.

ANYWAY. My point was, if you just pick up a Batman book, you'll get it, whether you've been reading it for years or not. You don't have to know the origins of every character in every story to understand them or the narrative. The Bat-books are some of the few that are like that. His world can stand to be streamlined, too, of course, but his current world isn't confusing if you ever watched any of the animated incarnations.

Posted by: RobP at June 1, 2011 5:25 PM

I get your point, Rob, it doesn't take much to realize there are two Batman(s/mens/whatever) and just progress from there. Not really confusing, I agree.

But I know I wouldn't want to just take that at face value and move along. To me, it'd be sort of like starting at Return of the King, realizing this group of people needed to take a ring somewhere, and then going "Got it. Here we go!" I'd want to know why and, my point is, doing so in the DC Universe isn't as simple as reading The Fellowship. You'd have to read Final Crisis, which would bring up its own questions, to which you'd have to read something else, and so on. And with the Universe being so convoluted with alternates realities and characters and intertwining storylines, it can be daunting for readers who want more than a superficial (or cursory) experience with the characters.

Of course, you could just pick a starting point and say "screw it, I'm going from this point forward" and I'm sure that would be fine. Or maybe DC will just do that for us, with their whole re-boot.

Posted by: JapJay at June 1, 2011 6:21 PM

That header pic explains it all in one image. Aside from Batman and Superman...Aquaman? relegated to dealing with solely water based mayhem? Wonder Woman? A rope and some bracelets and an invisible plane? I know some people love Green Lantern, but really...a Green Lantern? So technologically superior aliens call lights, lanterns? Going by the typical western color/emotion meme, green is the color of envy, not lack of fear, and being able to create ethereal weapons is kinda cool, but not really all that. Why make the guy buff if all he has to do is summon an ethereal fist, or a machine gun? A machine gun? I don't even know who the green guy with the cro-mag brow is.

But overall, for me, as an artist growing up, the comics were always very very stiff, in both illustration and storytelling. I don't remember any real personality in any one of them, with the exception of Batman perhaps. Stiff. No pithy jokes a la Spidey, no nuanced villains, and in the case of Superman, powers that defy physics much less logic. The yellow sun has less pull on him or less solar radiation or somat? How does that mean he can fly? How can he take a bullet in the soft matter of his eye with absolutely zero effect? How is that explained by a yellow sun? Even the admittedly clever use of Kryptonite to give his unlimited, universal physics defying abilities a chance to be weakened, how is it that a chunk of his homeworld all but kills him? And how, if he can fly faster than the speed of light, apparently, does he EVER have trouble catching up with shit? And that movie! Spinning the earth backwards somehow reverses time? He couldn't catch both missiles but he can fly around the earth 10 times in 5 seconds? Maybe I was too literal a kid to accept these things but they all just fall apart at more than a minimal effort at understanding them.

Posted by: Protoguy at June 1, 2011 8:06 PM

Of course, you could just pick a starting point and say "screw it, I'm going from this point forward" and I'm sure that would be fine."

Jap this is pretty much exactly what I did. With Batman and the entire Green Lantern worlds. For GL I just asked some comic heavies where a good place to start would be, they recommended the Sinestro Wars and BAM I started from there til the current. With Bat-Family I started with his death and the Cowl stuff until now. I'd say it's a good way to go about it. If you like what you're reading and are curious about something you can always go back and read into it and still continue on and be up to speed on the current stuff.

Posted by: Alex00 at June 2, 2011 1:08 AM

bull fucking shit.

That's all I've got to say.

This will last a year, maybe two tops. DC are doing these mass reboots and cluster fuck cross overs every god damm year. The problem with comics at the moment is all the incestuous interconnected bullshit that goes on. You can't just pick up a spiderman book and follow the story of Spiderman, you also have to pick up 12 other comics books and then the ongoing story gets ignored for 6 months because Marvel decides that everyone needs to participate in a company wide cross over.

It's all fucking bullshit, that's why the cosmic stuff in marvel has been so good lateley. It doesn't bother with the rest of the Marvel universe and just tells it's own story.

Posted by: Ben at June 2, 2011 1:34 AM

I've got to admit, I've never understood the idea that Marvel Comics are somehow more accessible and less prone to continuity problems. X-Men has rebooted itself with time-travel, alternate universe duplicates and clones so many times that Cyclops and Jean Grey have had three kids together who aren't even related to each other. (Try to figure that out.)

That said, I think the real reason comics have gone from selling millions of copies to a couple thousand is that the distribution model is broken. Blame video games or cable TV if you want, but comics lost their primary audience -- kids -- when they abandoned the grocery store and the Saturday morning cartoon block. It's why you can find 10-year-olds who read manga but not Superman. The industry is set up to service 40-year-old nerds like myself, and that's not a long-term plan for health, creatively or commercially.

Oh, and I completely agree with Ben: Marvel's cosmic books, written by Abnett and Lanning, are brilliant.

Posted by: Christopher Farnsworth at June 2, 2011 12:32 PM

DC is not for the weak minded, marvel has always been slow,nothing intricate to be honest (maybe except civil war), and less creative by far. for a kid growing up sure, marvel has done better overall because of their movies that betray their own comics and original story lines. dc has failed its fans at the movies because of the failure of relation, until Nolan's Batman including batman begins, the writer/directors have to Hollywood it up regardless.

As for story lines, jumping into the DC universe is like trying to watch lost from the middle. from my perspective picking up a graphic novel from the DC uni and not understanding any references is a must it gives a certain attainable trophy for the avid reader, as well shows its dominance when compared to marvels story lines. As for the change why not, i guess they are trying to set themselves up for a movie on the big screen. DC's animated movies are much better than marvels animated movies - had to mention it.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at June 2, 2011 3:18 PM

I'm out of the League? What the fuck? I'm as powerful as Superman, what can Aquabitch do?

Posted by: J’onn J’onzz at June 2, 2011 7:02 PM

I'd be interested in buying a digital comic for 50¢-99¢ but I'd baulk at anything above that. Why? because I know they aren't paying for printing and distribution, and by giving up a hard copy I'm waiving any rights to reselling as a collectible. (But since I read them as opposed to placing them immediately in a ziplock bag I guess I'm not giving up much).

Actually, given that I can buy digital music so cheaply it better be 50¢, not 99¢

And since everyone is posting their wishlist: how about adding some edge by having one of the JL go schizo ie they get a bang on the head, get a 'split personality', assume a new identity, and work to destroy the JL, all the while staying within the JL as their 'good' hero character. Naturally none of the JL should know who this new villian is...

Or has that been done already?

Posted by: Nick at June 3, 2011 2:11 AM

I exclusively read DC because I like their characters better - but the characters I like aren't the big name well-known superheroes but some of the lesser known characters. Basically, I like the new guys who will probably be eliminated in favor of streamlining and simplifying the canon. So I suppose I am a little biased against the reboot to begin with.

That said, I think this reboot is a decent idea executed in the most mindblowingly stupid way possible. If DC wanted to attract new customers (which they desperately need to do) they would:

a) Start marketing to demographics other than white males. Most of DC's titles star white men with the lack of diversity justified as "well, most of our readers are white males." That may be true, but you don't expand your readership by only appealing to your current audience and alienating potential other markets, which DC does every other week by killing and marginalizing minority characters to bring back the "classic" (generally white male) incarnation of legacy characters.

b)Not piss off their current fan base by basically declaring canon moot. As a DC reader, I cannot even begin to express how much this move pisses me off. I know most of the ridiculously complex history, and I like reading stories produced from that complex history. Is canon complicated, sometimes to the point of insanity? Yes, and I completely understand that being a daunting hurdle for new readers to overcome. Someone above (can't remember who) basically called this DC's answer to Marvel's Ultimates line. Except Marvel made their ultimate line in conjunction with the books happening in the main continuity so that new readers could have a streamlined, less complex version of the universe which could potentially act as a gateway to the mainline continuity. DC is getting rid of all their continuity instead of creating a similar jumping on point, which is kind of infuriating to a lot of long running fans.

c) Actually market this move to new readers. As it is, they announced this in what - late May? - and are trying to roll out all the new titles in August. They announced this mostly to comic news sites. So they are trying to get new readers and go about doing this by only advertising the new move to new readers to places almost exclusively read by people already reading their titles, and who will probably be pissed off by this anyway.

The cheaper online and expanded titles is a good start (and a cripplingly blow to comic book shops, but that's another rant), but again, the new readership they're looking for isn't really going to hear about this beyond the occasional news snippet that they most likely won't read because news reporting is not actually the same as advertising.

Good god that was long-winded.

Posted by: What The Duck at June 3, 2011 5:38 PM