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Viagra for Dick Jokes

By Brian Prisco | Posted Under Think Pieces | Comments (28)



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So Dustin sends me a link to an article on a site I’ve never heard of about a guy who wrote something angry about Judd Apatow on his site. The guy on the first site I don’t care about then contacted Judd Apatow personally and basically said, “You see this shit?” and asked and received a response from him. So Dustin now wants me to write a commentary on the article about the response to a piece that I never read from a guy I never heard of who hates Judd Apatow. And this is why movie blogging is bullshit.

You’re nobody until somebody hates you, and nobody knows this better than Apatow. Apatow’s response was more respectful than it should have been — basically along the lines of I’ve got better things to do and I’m sorry that you don’t like it but who cares? His response should have been to video tape himself fucking his wife in a jacuzzi full of hundred dollars bills while Seth Rogen and Jason Segal tell fat and gay jokes about Jonah Hill. Throw in two or three cameos, and he can literally put that in a theatre RIGHT NOW and make at least $25 million. Because that’s where he’s at right now.

Which I guess was the first guy’s point. He’s bemoaning the state of the comedy film today, since its typified by Judd Apatow and his cronies or Adam Sandler and his cronies. Then again, that’s what we do here on Pajiba every day. That’s what everyone does on every blog site. We all cry out for a return to the good old days. Whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean.

It’s hard for me to get mad at Judd Apatow, because it’d be like teabagging Kevin Smith’s daughter. (Sorry for that. Residual Serbian Film imagery.) Apatow has openly admitted that he’s gotten his inspiration from Kevin Smith. And it’s not like Kevin Smith invented the dick joke or talking dirty about sex in movies. He got that shit from comedians like Kinison and Carlin and Pryor and Hicks and all those cats.

This first guy throws out famous directors and film theory in such a way that makes me want to firebomb his house with a bottle lit from my film degree. But his major point seems to be … seems to be fucking lost in all the prattle. I can’t even tell if he’s here to praise Apatow or to bury him. Neither can Apatow. But I think it’s particularly funny that Mel Brooks gets brought up.

Mel Brooks was hooking dirty jokes in his films from the get go. “It’s good to be the king” is probably one of the earliest dick jokes I can remember hearing. Even the clever, smart comedies like Blazing Saddles and Spaceballs are nothing more than prolonged dick jokes and riffs on that sort of thing. C’mon, the fucking Schwartz?

And then back to Kevin Smiith. Smith has his folks mixing raw sex talk with pop culture references. But beneath all that filth, he’s burying some serious intelligence. Yeah, he’s got the rant about 37 dicks, but lest we forget, that’s what makes Clerks an effective romantic comedy. It’s fucked up and inside out, but it’s a bromantic comedy, mixed in with some romantic comedy. Sure, instead of the girl marrying someone else, she goes catatonic after anonymously fucking a dead man’s corpse on a toilet, but that’s practically a parlour comedy!

And Apatow’s doing that now. He’s taking issues that matter to him and sentimentality, and he’s smearing it with his own special brand of comedy to get the effect. I don’t always find it funny, but there are plenty of those in the movie watching public who do. And they’re the ones voting with their dollar. Has comedy gotten stupider and lazier? I couldn’t say. But to point at Apatow as the cause of it is to ignore the legacy that he’s come from.

He knows better than anyone that comedy is a fickle wave. He wrote for “The Ben Stiller Show” and “Freaks and Geeks” and “Undeclared” before that shit was in vogue. Now that it’s the style, he’s suddenly super popular. But it’s waning. He’ll be out in a few years. Just like everyone who’s come before him. If I could predict what the next wave in comedy was going to be, I sure as shit wouldn’t be preaching it on a fucking movie review website. I’d be fucking writing scripts and cashing checks.

And that’s what makes Apatow so chill in his response. He doesn’t have to be hungry and angry anymore, like the rest of us scrambling to catch the next wave. You want to read what it’s like when you hit him when he’s lean, check out the letters he and Mark Brazill (the guy who created “That 70’s Show”) wrote to each other back in 2001. You want to see some ugly, funny, nasty shit, do a Google search for the Harper’s article. It’s a thing of beauty.









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Comments

What was the "state of comedy in film" before Apatow? I have a hard time remembering.

I felt like the Farley Brothers and the whole "gross out" comedy they inspired had run its course before Apatow hit. (I never really cared for the Farley Brothers.)

Adam Sandler was doing his thing.

What else was there?

I loved "40 Year Old Virgin." I thought "Knocked Up" was ok. I didn't see that other one. I also liked Apatowian flicks "Super Bad" and "Pineapple Express" well enough.

I have no hate for the man. Given that he gave me one season of the glorious "Freaks & Geeks", he pretty much has a free pass as far as I'm concerned.

A new wave of comedies will show up at some point. At least the Apatowian comedies, for all their foibles, are a lot better than, say, the "Another Movie" movies. (Then again, so was my dog's poop that I picked this morning on our walk.)

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 31, 2010 10:47 AM

"He’s taking issues that matter to him and sentimentality, and he’s smearing it with his own special brand of comedy to get the effect."

That sentence articulates the concept of the "smart comedy" beautifully. Write something with heart, something you can truly relate to, and then fill it all in with your particular flavour of humour. In Apatow's case, dick jokes.

Posted by: chayes at August 31, 2010 11:03 AM

The next wave of comedy is the fat-black suit. In a few years we'll be looking back on Eddie Murphy's career bragging about how we were there. We saw it first.

"HERCULES HERCULES..."

Hercules indeed, Mr. Murphy. Hercules indeed.

Posted by: superasente at August 31, 2010 11:03 AM

Sure, instead of the girl marrying someone else, she goes catatonic after anonymously fucking a dead man’s corpse on a toilet, but that’s practically a parlour comedy!

Somehow I have managed to make it through life without seeing Clerks. Thank you for convincing me to keep it that way.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at August 31, 2010 11:17 AM

"Somehow I have managed to make it through life without seeing Clerks. Thank you for convincing me to keep it that way."

That's not really characteristic of the whole film, that one event. But it's a cult movie for a reason, it won't be to everyone's taste, so I wouldn't go out of your way to watch it unless you think you'll like that sort of thing.

Posted by: Ender at August 31, 2010 11:50 AM

I don't normally watch a lot of comedy. I find most annoying, unfunny and sometimes embarassing.

I have, though, over time seen most of the work by or associated with Judd Apatow, including both his grossly underappreciated tv shows.

I wonder what the people who feel so hard done by with his movies hold up as good comedy?

I think Apatows work does well because it does always have heart and sentimentality no matter how absurd or vulgar the humour.

as an afterthought, I shudder at the notion of spacballs being clever smart comedy.

Posted by: idleprimate at August 31, 2010 11:53 AM

That email exchange in Harpers is beautiful. I liked That 70s Show for a while, at first, but it lost its legs well before Topher Grace left and was barely watchable by the time it was over. I'd say it was a natural reaction to having a show last for 7 years (as opposed to Apatow's only lasting 1 year apiece, so he never had the chance to get sucky), but when Brazill's only other ideas seemed to be That 80s Show and that lame LA Rockers pilot that MTV abandoned, I'm fairly certain he's the hack and not Apatow.

Also, Apatow is clearly just a funny dude. His responses to Brazill's increasing rage-fueled idiocy are breathtaking.

Posted by: RobP at August 31, 2010 11:55 AM

OK, I read that email exchange between Judd Apatow and Mark Brazill and I couldn't tell if it was all tongue in cheek, or if that was an actual, serious email exchange. Can someone who is less literal than I please let me know?

Posted by: tamatha at August 31, 2010 12:07 PM

I've never particularly cared for Apatow (probably because I haven't seen most of his stuff - I'll get around to it) - but that email exchange in Harpers was brilliant.

Posted by: dsbs at August 31, 2010 12:41 PM

Patty: The scene in question in Clerks occurs entirely off screen. It's really more of the final straw in the ongoing disaster that is Dante's work day at the Quik Stop.

Posted by: TylerDFC at August 31, 2010 12:49 PM

We all cry out for a return to the good old days. Whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean.

Thank you, Prisco. As Dustin continually points out around here, nostaglia doesn't change the quality of old shows and/or movies, it just alters one's opinion of them.

Posted by: branded at August 31, 2010 2:26 PM

That Brrazill-Apatow e-mail exchange is classic. I'm pretty sure it's genuine.

"Clerks" is a pretty good movie. Not a laugh riot, but amusing. And intelligent. Despite the descriptions of it. Haven't seen the second one.

Posted by: Slash at August 31, 2010 4:28 PM

Maybe I'm committing blasphemy here by saying that outside of Superbad, Judd Apatow comedies just don't do it for me. That one movie convinced me mainly due to how I actually bought seeing these awkward, awkward characters in high school...they actually hit me as more recognizable than most of the John Hughes characters that usually get that credit (more blasphemy...Then again, I hung out with the AV/Warhammer nerds in high school, so maybe that's why). As soon as you take those character types and words and put them in the mouths of adult characters, I just don't buy it so much anymore. *shrugs*

I appreciate that he's definitely the next in the line of silly comedies with some definite verbal wit, but to be completely honest, there's something about his movies/approach that always makes me hyper-aware that I'm outside of his "target audience", and almost makes me feel like I'm not exactly welcome. Weird and probably unconscious on his part (also I'm guessing most people don't feel this way at all), but there it is. I don't really get that vibe at all from Kevin Smith movies (at least pre-2008), or any of the other filmmakers mentioned *shrugs*.

That said, that e-mail exchange made me laugh more than all his recent movies have. Pure gold.

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