How Did It Go So Wrong? NBC's Thursday Night Comedy Lineup Is Worse Than It's Been In 30 Years
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How Did It Go So Wrong? NBC's Thursday Night Comedy Lineup Is Worse Than It's Been In 30 Years

By Dustin Rowles | Think Pieces | October 11, 2013 | Comments ()


In 1982, NBC was falling apart. It was on its last season with Taxi before it moved over to ABC, and its Thursday night line-up was anchored by the dismally rated Fame television series (which would last only two seasons) and a little show called Cheers, which came in last place that year in the Nielsen ratings. NBC nevertheless renewed it because they didn’t have anything else to replace it with. In 1983, things weren’t much improved: The Thursday night lineup was anchored by the middling Gimme a Break, a second season of the low-rated Cheers, and a show called We Got It Made that moved to Saturdays by winter and was replaced with Mamma’s Family and Buffalo Bill (which would last only part of two seasons).

However, things took a dramatic turn in 1984, when The Cosby Show debuted on NBC. It would change the entire landscape of the network for nearly 30 years. The Cosby Show lifted its time-slot partner, Family Ties, which in turn made a huge hit out of Cheers, which itself helped to make a big hit out of Night Court. For the next three decades, Thursday nights on NBC would generate one hit after another: A Different World, Wings, Mad About You (which spent two seasons on Thursdays after The Cosby Show left), Frasier, Will & Grace, Seinfeld, Just Shoot Me, Friends, Scrubs (which spent part of four seasons on Thursdays) and The Office.

Around the turn of the century, when Friends left the air, ratings began to tumble. And yet, for a smaller — but smart and affluent — audience, Thursdays on NBC was still Must See TV, with The Office, 30 Rock, Community and Parks and Recreation. For critics and other like-minded people, it was often the only night we tuned in to NBC, and while the network could boast little else, at least it had the most creative and original comedy block on network television.

Now, 30 years after the debut of The Cosby Show, the NBC Thursday night comedy block is a disaster. Not only is it getting atrocious ratings, now even those of us who had been habituated thursday night viewers are abandoning the two hours that we automatically viewed each week. The Office and 30 Rock are gone, Community is not on the schedule (and who knows what we can expect from it when it returns after a disastrous season without Dan Harmon) and even Parks and Recreation — the best sitcom on television for a a three-year stretch — is not quite what it once was (notwithstanding last night’s excellent episode with Sam Elliot’s anti-Ron Swanson).

What remains, besides Parks and Rec, are three new shows that aren’t even as good as the lesser shows that have rotated through the NBC comedy lineup over the years, like The Single Guy or Boston Common, Suddenly Susan, Battery Park, Outsourced, and Stark Raving Mad, to name just a few. In fact, even the critically reviled Joey was better than most of what is on Thursday nights now.

NBC must have believed that Michael J. Fox would do for Thursday nights what Bill Cosby did in the early 80s. They gave him a full-season order based mostly on a pitch, and expectations that The Michael J. Fox Show would reignite the magic ran high. We should’ve known, however, that when NBC scheduled The Michael J. Fox Show for 9:30, they already realized that they had a stinker in the making. Yes, there is a great cast here — with Betsy Brandt and Wendell Pierce, in addition to Fox — but the writing is struggling to bring itself up to mediocre. Not even Anne Heche could bring any life to the series in last night’s episode, trying to extract laughs out of getting her hand smashed.

But if the best we can say about Fox’s show is that it’s on the brink of so-so, it’s still leaps and bounds ahead of the other two new entries. I could only muster the first half of Sean Saves the World last night before I had to turn it off in disgust. When’s the last time a good sitcom centered around a single Dad trying to buy a bra for his teenage daughter? Sean Hayes has great timing and considerable effervescence, but Sean Saves the World seems like a campy throwback to ABC’s TGIF lineup with Full House and Family Matters, only it is aimed at an older, disinterested audience.

In Welcome to the Family, meanwhile, last night’s second episode of the series was a 22-minute set up that culminated in two men punching each other in the balls. That is literally what happened.

To the dismay of its core sitcom audience, last year NBC’s president Robert Greenblatt vowed to broaden the appeal of their comedies. They brought in big names — Matthew Perry, Justin Kirk, and Jimmy Fallon, who produced a family sitcom with the Cosby’s Tempest Bledsoe and Anthony Anderson — and tried to reach out to a larger audience. None of the sitcoms that NBC debuted last year made it to a second season. But Greenblatt apparently learned nothing from his mistakes because this year, he brought in three more big names — Sean Hayes, Mike O’Malley, and Michael J. Fox — but he didn’t change the approach of those sitcoms. They’re still trying too hard to appeal to a huge audience, but there’s no longer a huge audience to appeal to. They’re already watching Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men on CBS.

NBC could’ve continued to generate well-crafted, thoughtful comedies with smaller cult audiences that would generate plenty of profits in syndication and on Netflix, like Community, The Office and Parks and Rec. It chose, instead, to go bigger, dumber, and more forgettable. It’s that final adjective that’s the most detrimental. Our television options these days are vast. The Michael J. Fox Show or Sean Saves the World might have survived in 1984, when there were only a handful of channels with scripted programs to choose from. But now? There’s too much good TV that we feel like we need to see, so we’re no longer interested in disposable comedies. We no longer watch television to kill time before bed. We watch television for riveting stories and complex characters. Two guys punching each other in the balls doesn’t meet that standard. I’m not even entirely sure whether the charming, infectious The Cosby Show would meet that standard anymore.

All I know is that NBC is trying desperately to replicate the success of the early years of its Must See TV run, but we live in a different era with more sophisticated television watchers. Instead of aiming for those big successes and failing spectacularly, maybe NBC should try to replicate its smaller successes of recent years: Smart, low-rated sitcoms that play well in syndication and on Netflix and that viewers gobble up on DVD. The profit margins may be smaller, but at least you’ve created something to be proud of.

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  • Congrats..

  • Limbo

    Haven't I seen this discussed on iCarly? I know I have.

  • cgthegeek

    Network shows need to have "mass appeal". And some of the most popular shows on network TV (Elementary, Scandal, Sleepy Hollow) are lead by women who are not White. Maybe the definition of "mass appeal" is expanding. Maybe NBC needs to look into that.

  • crispin

    I don't think race has anything to do it. Create quality writing and people will watch it. These new show's quality is in the tank.

  • cgthegeek

    IMHO, the upping the diversity on shows and quality writing are not mutually exclusive. They can stand to do better in both categories.

    And let's not pretend Hollywood's "shows need mass appeal" line is anything more than an excuse.

  • cgthegeek
  • Al Borland's Beard

    On the bright side, FOX Tuesdays could possibly replace it. They already have two great shows in New Girl and Mindy. They have a show with potential in Brooklyn Nine-Nine and they have an absolute turd in Dads. Replace Dads with Bob's Burgers and I've got two hours gone every Tuesday.

  • Keyser Soze

    No one has or will ever watch something just because Mike O'Malley is in it. Who on earth thought he could carry a sitcom? Hes usually just "That Guy" in the BACKGROUND of sitcoms.

  • Three_nineteen

    He was the only reason I watched the first episode of Welcome to the Family. Of course, I will probably never watch another one.

  • wapunga

    I know its not NBC, but I think its a shame that Super Clyde didnt get picked up. Thought it was waaay better than 2 and 1/2 men

  • kirbyjay

    What's wrong with network tv?
    The great unwashed only want to watch reality shows.
    The networks bring in a big star ( Robin Williams, Michael J Fox, Matthew Perry) and think people will tune in just to see them and they forget that writing and a good supporting cast is what makes a hit, not just parading the show pony. I so want MJF and MP to have successful shows, and I want to be loyal, but......
    Why doesn't anyone watch The Middle? It's one of the best comedies on tv, the 3 kids are the weirdest you'll ever meet, it's heartwarming, and can be drop dead funny at times. Just looking at the height difference between the Janitor and Debra Barone is hysterical. This is the show me and a co-worker laugh about around the water cooler every Thursday morning. Well, there is no actual water cooler, but we laugh.

  • I can't stand that show...but my mother loves it!

  • Walt Jr

    I like The Middle.... It's also in syndication

  • "The profit margins may be smaller, but at least you’ve created something to be proud of."
    Your last sentence says it all. To a typical network exec, this is the equivalent of saying "Your genitals will shrivel into potpourri, but at least your pants will hang beautifully."

  • llp

    That is a glorious sentence.

  • $6950553

    One big mistake was firing Kevin Reilly who is one of the best programming chiefs around and is now doing pretty well at Fox.

  • LADude

    Two years on NBC, the rest in syndication after it was canceled.

  • bburglat

    Um, Fame...5 years, not 2.

  • Cree83

    This is so sad to me. Thursday's used to be the best. It's almost Friday, AND you got to spend the day looking forward to all the good TV. Thursday nights used to be the nights my husband and I would order take out instead of cooking, turn out the lights, get all cozy on the couch, and settle in for a night of TV. A delightfully frivolous springboard into the weekend.

    Now all the good TV is on Tuesday nights, which sucks. Tuesday is the worst day. It's still the beginning of the week, but you're no longer rested from the weekend. Ordering take out and watching hours of TV on Tuesday doesn't feel like a fun, special treat, like it does on Thursday. It feels like a sad attempt at escapism to counter the blahs of the starting work week. NBC ruined everything, basically.

  • Kate

    They cancel good shows too fast and persist with appalling terrible ones for too long. Last years Go On was the type of show that would have built a bigger audience over time, they could have got a few good seasons out of it. A lot of people catch up on a show once a full season is complete. Go On was just starting to be talked about when it was cancelled.

  • LexieW

    "I’m not even entirely sure whether the charming, infectious The Cosby Show would meet that standard anymore."

    Actually, I think it would. Everything about the Cosby show is so far from what we have on TV today that it's as relevant now as it was 30 years ago.

    A friend once said he'd like to do a spin-off show called "Rudy and Bud" Those characters are now 30-something singles, life-long friends who move in together and try to navigate the modern world while retaining the moral fiber with which they were raised. Cameos from other Huxtable family members as needed. Get on it, NBC.

  • I would watch that in a heartbeat. Your friend needs to pitch that!

  • Ringo183

    His name aint Bud, it's Kenny.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    BWahahaha. And in breaking news, Meg Ryan just signed on to develop a show with NBC.

  • bastich

    I heard that the working show title is "Meg Ryan: Why So Serious?"

  • e jerry powell

    "Meg Ryan: You Paid For That Face?"

  • e jerry powell

    Gods love her, but Anne Heche is cursed. CURSED, I say. Even as a downmarket Joely Richardson (which, in context, makes her a doubly downmarket Portia de Rossi), Anne Heche is cursed.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Is Portia de Rossi "upmarket" in this context? If so, you need to check your math.

  • e jerry powell

    In Nip/Tuck-land, where Anne Heche is alternate-universe Julia Macnamara and Portia di Rossi is Julia Macnamara's lesbian twin.

    You can blame all that math on Mr. Glee-Boss-Man, if you like.

  • mrsachmo

    Something to be proud of? Really?

  • Michelle

    I agree with all of this. I'm also really sad that Mike O'Malley is being wasted on that show - I watched the preview of the pilot on Hulu a few weeks back and it made me cringe. That man can kill it and he just doesn't seem to get the right material. Or possibly just has horrible taste.

  • I think it's more a case of him being a working actor who needs his paychecks. LA is expensive and until you really hit it big, most actors have to take what's offered. Netflix has kind of a fun documentary about it - That Guy... Who Was In That Thing.

  • Michelle

    You know, that's probably entirely true and I just have that really skewed thing where I see someone on my TV and automatically assume they are doing well for themselves.

    I still stand by my thoughts that he deserves better, though. That dude is a powerhouse that I don't think enough people recognize.

  • Oh, absolutely. He's been the best thing about Glee for a long time. I sincerely wish his current show was worthy of his talent.

  • Solid piece. Networks just refuse to abandon obsolete models. NBC checks all the boxes: endless recycling of talent, the stubborn adherence to a 22-episode run, slavish devotion to the same tired concepts and showrunners.

    "Orange is the New Black" could work on a network, folks. This is what they need to move toward, not futilely hope the past comes back around.

  • MistaPatches

    When is Pajiba going to get around to discussing Ricky Gervais' new comedy Derek? I relaize it's not new if people somehow saw it when it aired in the UK, but most of us in America have just seen it now on Netflix. I absolutely loved the show and have been waiting for weeks now to see some talk about it here on the site. What gives?

  • Walt Jr

    Oh. My. Gawd. I just finished watching Derek on Netflix last weekend. I feel emotionally complete after that series. I laughed, cried- it was awesome! I've been telling everyone I meet about it.

    I was going to turn it off after 5 min into it, because the mocumentary format is getting a bit old (looking at YOU "Modern Family"), but I'm so glad I stayed with it!

  • AGREED. That show killed me and I want to gush about it here.

  • Mrs. Julien

    My name not is not Prolixity Julien and I approved this message.

  • I actually really enjoyed the pilot of The Michael J. Fox Show, but the the subsequent episodes have been dreadful. It's a shame, because I really wanted to like it. I also want Sean Hayes and Mike O'Malley to have successful shows, but not their current vehicles. Sigh...

  • fribbley

    I'm still enjoying the show, but I'm pretty sure they could lose the Harris character and it wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

  • I feel like Brooklyn Nine Nine might be the kind of show you're talking about in the last paragraph. It's very much like Parks and Rec when it started out--an SNL name who's just big enough to be recognized and draw people in, in a show that's quirky and mostly funny with some huge laughs at times and a great supporting cast of unknowns (plus Andre Braugher). I'm hoping that, as with Parks and Rec, NBC is smart enough to let it really find its feet and realize that while it might not draw the huge crowds it'll get a loyal following that'll keep watching it.

    But, like you said, NBC is pretty stupid. You'd think they would've learned by now.

  • Becks

    I think that show airs on Fox.

  • Figderpfig

    Ha! Of course you're right. That's a total herpderp from me. But still...NBC should pay attention?

    (Thi is Figgy, I'm on my phone and can't remember my stupid password)

  • Becks

    Haha, I wouldn't beat myself up too much over it because just as Brian said, it's a bit insane that NBC isn't airing the show. I'm assuming they passed in favor of The Michael J Fox Show which was a very NBC call for them to make.

  • It's so bizarre that it's not on NBC. They've had a bunch of Parks and Rec people on it, too--Ethel Beavers!

  • It does, which brings up another good point: how did NBC, which airs both SNL and Mike Schur's "Parks & Rec," let "Nine-Nine" get to Fox?

  • Miss Jane

    This is going to sound a little bit like the plot from Moneyball, but what is important -- a base hit? Or swing for the fences? NBC already has some well crafted, niche comedies, so why shouldn't they try to go for the home run of a broadbased hit?

  • ryallen

    Community wasn't good last year, but "disastrous" is harsh Joanna.

  • Lemon_Poundcake

    I think you mean "Dustin".

  • kushiro -

    I am in an expansive mood today, so I will reveal one of my darkest secrets (I know, who cares, but whatever): I watched We Got It Made. Like, the whole first season. And I liked it.

  • Mrs. Julien

    (notwithstanding last night’s excellent episode with Sam Elliot’s anti-Ron Swanson)

    I MISSED THIS?! If I wasn't finishing my first week in a new job, I would have just developed the worst case of I-have-a-tummy-ache-and-need-to-work-from-home in the history of employment.

    Just tell me one thing: Did he tilt his head and speak?

    I'll take that as a yes. So now, I don't have a tummy ache, but I do have a "fever".

  • Wigamer

    I thought of you immediately as he tilted his head and spoke. 'Twas wonderful!

  • Congratulations on being a fancier secretary for fancier people!

    Sam Elliot has had the same level of mustachioed smooth Texas hotsauce for 20 years. He's not Benjamin Buttoning. He simply hit his stride in 1985 and has decided to stay there for all eternity.

  • He smiled all lazily through that mustache and I swear to Godtopus I swooned a little bit in my seat. That man. Good lord.

  • bastich

    Congrats on the new job!

  • PerpetualIntern

    Hope your first week went well!

  • Mrs. Julien

    Same company, same job, I'm just a fancier secretary for fancier people.

  • emmalita

    I hope they are appreciating you in fancier ways with fancier money.

  • Agreed with that..

  • Uriah_Creep

    What, are they paying her in gold doubloons now?

  • Mrs. Julien

    God, that would be so cool.

  • emmalita

    That would be so appropriate. Gold doubloons and fancy gowns. Unfortunately I don't know the exchange rate of fancy gowns and health care.

  • llp

    She is a bad risk in terms of fancy gowns, given the track record of her stays. They would be better off paying her in fainting couches.

  • Mrs. Julien

    And extra antimacassars at Christmas.

  • Uriah_Creep

    Wait, wait. How many fainting couches in a bustle dress?

    These payment methods are going to be murder with direct deposit.

  • Mrs. Julien

    I also accept chocolate and Amazon gift cards.

  • Uriah_Creep

    I have a currency converter app on my phone, but I can't seem to find either "fancy gowns" OR "gold doubloons". Damn developers these days...

  • Mrs. Julien

    Did you try "bustle dress" or perhaps "elegant frock"?

  • Mrs. Julien

    They are!

  • Ryan Hall

    NBC should give Adam Sandler a show; idiot audiences love that guy!

  • Uriah_Creep

    In a way, they did. Happy Madison Productions is responsible for Dustin's new darling, "The Goldbergs."

  • Keyser Soze

    Thank G-d for The Goldbergs! Its ABOUT TIME we finally got to hear and see some Jewish perspectives and faces on television, i say!

  • $23968583

    I know right? And more reality shows...we need more reality shows!!!!

  • pumpkin

    Why would Adam Sandler work that hard? He can phone it in for a couple weeks on one of his stupid movies, attract the idiots, and make boatloads of cash.

  • Mrs. Julien

    ...idiot audiences love that guy idiot.

    You're welcome.

  • Aaron Schulz

    So because i like 30 rock and parks and rec i need to be on a high horse and pretend that makes me smarter then the average viewer? good lord

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  • Alice

    The larger implications of appealing to a general, mass audience include the fact that not only, as you say, there are lots of other television options, but so many more consumption options in general. And, people are busier. I, for one, am doing the jobs of three people now. I also have my phone in front of me when I watch TV, responding to work emails, texting friends, etc. I have about 1-2 hours of free time a week to watch TV. You better be hitting home-runs either in comedy or drama to keep my precious time and attention.

  • Fredo

    I haven't tuned in to NBC's Thursday night in...years? Decades? TBF, I've all but given up on network TV altogether. I tend to focus on live sporting events and certain, specific TV shows. It "there's nothing on" that's why I have Netflix or my tablet or my Kindle. Even then, I'd rather go out and see something else than waste it on trying out new TV shows.

  • Keyser Soze

    If you dont watch network television at all, then obviously the entire situation is irrelevant to you, you are entirely irrelevant to the situation, and your opinions and tastes shouldnt and dont matter to the networks at all.

  • Blake

    NBC is the Jimmy McNulty of Networks.


    Det. Michael Crutchfield: Did he fuck you?
    Det. William 'Bunk' Moreland: He tried. But mostly he just fucks himself.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    "What the fuck did I do?" ~NBC

  • Sara_Tonin00

    While I agree that the shows are predominantly terrible, your argument misses the boat. Big audiences exist for shows you label terrible like The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men. Why shouldn't NBC try to steal them? That's what they want. Having a show with mass appeal (however dumb) that sells a lot now - and will also sell in syndication - is the brass ring.

    You are a specific select audience - the tv connoiseur. But I doubt your demographic makes up the bulk fo the tv viewing population.

  • They can't develop a show with mass appeal, though. NBC whiffs on two fronts: quality and ratings. BBT and Men are terrible shows, but they more than keep the Eye's lights on. Same can't be said for NBC.

  • Modernlove

    I think one of the problems there is that the people who watch BBT and Two and a Half Men are so set in their ways, they won't flee. It's laziness, mostly. These shows have been on so long and have such a consistent, devoted audience who enjoy the empty laughs and the ability to watch something that doesn't require thought that they won't bother changing their habits.

  • John G.

    shows like Big Bang Theory and 2 1/2 Men get big audiences because they get big audiences. It's tautological, but true. It's a positive feedback loop. I'm not sure exactly how they get people hooked in to start the loop, but a big part of it is making a show that is very broad, offends no one and takes no risks. It must describe a situation that can in no way be said to "make people think".

    The idea is that a big mass of people will watch it because it's broad (and because you spent millions on a blitzkrieg of advertising) then discuss it the next day at work where other people like them will pick it up, so they can then join in the conversation. As long as the new people who give it a shot are in no risk whatsoever of being offended or confused or challenged in any way, then they will continue to watch it, not because it's good, but because of the social value of being on the same page as the people at work who also watch it.

    The minute you get a show where somebody doesn't "get it" or gets confused by even a moment in the show, they feel stupid, don't feel like they're in on the joke, can't join the discussion and social value aspect of the show at work the next day. This is amplified when fans of the show want to accentuate the cliquishness of the show's fandom, which further alienates the moron viewer. No show on television that sells advertising is going to actually be hard to understand. No advertiser would allow that. But to be broad enough to guarantee no one even feels like they don't get it, you have to make it as wonder bread as possible.

    The problem with NBC's lineup is that when you make a big ol' wonderbread show to compete with another wonderbread show, it's very hard to get the mass audience to switch. They're already invested in their current wonder bread. What makes them switch? You can't draw them with interesting premises, because interesting elements and quirk threaten the wonder bread elements. So what pulls them over? Basically nothing, unless a current wonder bread show is being shut down. That's the only time you have a chance.

    as H.L. Menken said "no one has ever lost money underestimating the American public."

  • e jerry powell

    Interestingly, both of those shows are on CBS, which has historically skewed older, since well before the days of "Murder, She Wrote."

    Hell, CBS picked up the Golden Girls spinoff after NBC dumped the original (and older-skewing) show.

    Come to think of it, NBC did have that whole older-skewing "Miami block" on Saturday nights, back when those Cosby-era dinosaurs, Susan Harris, Tony Thomas and Paul Junger Witt were ruling the NBC landscape. (As far as those three go, I still prefer their work for ABC.)

  • Artemis

    I agree it's easier to retain an existing audience than attract a new one, but I don't think the problem is lazy people who want things that don't require thought. I think the problem is that NBC's new sitcoms are terrible, and have been for the several years. I'm not a TBBT fan, but I've seen a couple episodes in reruns and I think the show is just obviously better than anything NBC has premiered in the past two years, including The Michael J Fox Show (which I'm still watching, but solely out of loyalty to him).

    NBC's real problem is that it's trying everything it can think of to reboot its comedy line-up EXCEPT for just making good shows. You can build a show on big names (Frasier) or no-names (Friends), on settings and people the audience can relate to (The Office) or on snobby, faux-intellectual ones (Frasier), on families (The Cosby Show) or single people (Seinfeld), on single-cam or multi-cam formats, etc. But since it lost its biggest performers, NBC keeps trying to take shortcuts back to success by copying features of what's working elsewhere/worked for it in the past instead of just focusing on good writing and casts with good chemistry.

  • TCH

    Too bad for NBC, large block audiences no longer seem to exist,with the fragmenting of audiences and the advent of niche programming.

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  • TCH

    Actually it seems like there are large block audiences though they are less in number than say the 90s. As the rise of cable and streaming have eroded audience shares.

  • e jerry powell

    Mostly the rise of cable. People are still speaking as though the digital divide doesn't exist.

  • TCH

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