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Uh... is this a daily trade round-up or a box-office round-up?

Dragons and Douchebags, you know somewhere some coke-up exec is reading this "obscure website" and thinking "hmmmmm..."

The problem with Alvin making that much coin is that there WILL be a sequel, which means I'll have to end Jason Lee's life, with my blade.

Yo Holmes, to Bel Air!

I am SO going to have that song stuck in my head all day. Thanks, Dustin!

Oh, and my favorite Disney 2-D movie is Sleeping Beauty. Maleficent is bad ass.

If you're talking 2D animated, it's Beauty and the Beast, even if the ballroom scene is CGI (still 2D to me!)

For 2D live action, I'm torn between Escape to Witch Mountain, Candleshoe (the Jodie Foster one? Or is that the baseball park? I always get them confused.) or the Watcher in the Woods. The last one scared the piss out of me when I saw it at a friend's house. When I was 16. I'm such a wuss...

Favorite 2D film classic: Sleeping Beauty. Rose's voice makes me tear up every time, and the fairies are almost unbearingly charming.

Favorite recent 2D film: The Emperor's New Groove.

Pacha: Uh-oh.
Kuzco: Don't tell me. We're about to go over a huge waterfall.
Pacha: Yup.
Kuzco: Sharp rocks at the bottom?
Pacha: Most likely.
Kuzco: ...bring it on.

"I'll turn him into a flea, a harmless, little flea, and then I'll put that flea in a box, and then I'll put that box inside of another box, and then I'll mail that box to myself, and when it arrives...ha ha ha...I'll smash it with a hammer!"

The Dark Knight trailer made me more excited than I usually get in a regular movie theater.

If you get my meaning.

In the middle of it, the guy in front of me decided to stand up and take his jacket off. I almost stabbed him to death with my car keys.

Since I haven't watched a Disney picture by choice since I actually started, y'know, paying attention to movies rather than just passively letting them flicker before my eyeballs, I'm gonna have to go with Aladdin as my favourite, since it's the one I saw the most times (mainly through forced viewings as my secondary school's misguided idea of a Christmas 'treat' - "Hey kids, no lesssons today - we're gonna wheel in the VCR and watch The Muppets Christmas Carol!")

My mom paid me $35 to take my five year old sister to see "Alvin and the Chipmunks."

I should've asked for $60.

....oh god I hate my boss. I should tell him I'm sick and go to the movies. It's not like they like me around here. I've cost them a lot of money settling sexual harassment lawsuits.

A comment on Kidman:

Box Office equivalent of getting your schlong caught in your zipper.

You may not bee too off the mark with that director's cut DVD remark. It really did seem like they were building towards something else, and then abruptly shot the movie in the face.

In other words: damn you Lawrence, now I am gonna at least rent the damn thing. Damn You.

Favorite Disney 2D animated film: it is a tossup between Aladdin and Lion King.

What is your favorite Disney 2-D film?

The first is still the best. "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs." Check out the shading, and shadows, and rain, and water, and the way the characters move. And of course, a story that didn't have to make pop culture references.

Aladdin.

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty(tie)

The only thing keeping Lion King from greatness is the fact that Simba did not feed on Timon and Pumbaa aka: prey.

Favorite recent 2-D Disney: Lion King

Favorite old-school 2-D Disney: Fox and the Hound.
My husband thinks I'm crazy because I get misty talking about how the fox and the hound are best friends, but can't be friends when they grow up, and the hound has to hunt the fox...man, it gets me every time.

Favorite 2-D Disney movie:

1. Sleeping Beauty
2. Aristocats
3. Alice in Wonderland

I'm a closet Disney freak. Sue me.

Aaaaand lastly, I'm so glad there was an original premise for Alvin and the Chipmunks because I felt betrayed by Lee. I had the covert, he's-weird-but-cool crush on him and everything.

Favorite 2-D Disney Film (Limiting myself to films released by Walt Disney Feature Animation en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Disney_animated_features_canon

Classic Animation - Sleeping Beauty (Maleficent. End of discussion)

Modern Animation - The Emperor's New Groove (Completely overlooked as part of the collapse of Disney 2-D, but a fantastic and hilarious film. A successful attempt by Disney to, well, not be Disney. Great voicework.)

For the record, I put the classic-modern split sometime around The Black Calderon, although obviously there is room for differing opinions.

For the record, I put the classic-modern split sometime around The Black Calderon, although obviously there is room for differing opinions.

Posted by: WestCoastPat at December 17, 2007 11:31 AM
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Although I'm pretty sure there some black guy named Calderon who'll feel flattered at being mentioned, I think you meant The Black Cauldron.

While I love me some Sleeping Beauty villianry, I will always be a sucker for Robin Hood (plus its the one Disney flick the boyfriend actually asked for by name....)

Disney 2D- Aladdin and the emperor's new groove

OMG That preview is really good!! glad they change katie for maggie the film is way too dark and intense for katie, even when i saw BB, i said to my sister that she didn't fit in there, she looked out of place.

Favorite 2-D Disney flick = tossup between Lion King and Alice in Wonderland...with Aladdin coming up behind.

Favorite 2-D animated flick = The Incredibles.

It's actually a shame The Golden Compass didn't do as well as it should have. Yeah, it was poor pacing, but it was a decent children's fantasy movie, and would have opened the door to other movies like that. On the other hand, it might have opened the door to a remake of the Prydain Chronicles, which would be unforgivable given how badly they love to mutilate the original book when they make the movie. So maybe the universe has balanced itself out.

"I'm beginning to wonder if it wasn't a genius move on the part of Francis Lawrence and the studio hacks. "

Goddammit, Dustin, the word is "ingenious." "Genius" is a noun. A NOUN!!!

As a professional writer, you should know better.

Now, go get started on "Dragons and Douchebags." I'd pay good money to see that.

Classic 2D: Lady and the Tramp
Sleeping Beauty
Oliver and Company

Recent 2D: The Emperor's New Groove

Patrick Warburton as Kronk is hilarious! "Squeakity, uh, squeak, sqeaker, squeakin'." hahahaa! beautiful...

Favorite 2-D has GOT to be The Sword and the Stone. I have loved it since childhood, but I can still watch it now and get a kick out of it, which I think is saying something, given that I can't really stand most Disney movies now.

Also, Dark Knight trailer? So good. Soooooo good.

Favorite Disney 2D: Beauty and the Beast hands down. LOVE IT!

Surprised there's not much Beauty and the Beast love. It's the best music AND it's beautiful. Also I saw it at an IMAX theater once, drunk, and it changed everything.

Favorite Disney movie(s): Aladdin(favorite since I was a little 'un, love the story and all), Lion King(epically good, and I love animals), Emperor's New Groove (hilarious to the point of side-splitting), and Beauty and the Beast (I love the Beast. He's bad-ass. What can I say?)
Also The Incredibles, but they aren't 2d, so I won't put that there, and I would say Tarzan, if only for Tarzan himself (I've never seen the King of the Apes move like that)

Favorite Disney movie(s): Aladdin(favorite since I was a little 'un, love the story and all), Lion King(epically good, and I love animals), Emperor's New Groove (hilarious to the point of side-splitting), and Beauty and the Beast (I love the Beast. He's bad-ass. What can I say?)
Also The Incredibles, but they aren't 2d, so I won't put that there, and I would say Tarzan, if only for Tarzan himself (I've never seen the King of the Apes move like that)
Oh, and I am soooo freakin' excited for The Dark Knight. It cannot come soon enough! Favorite part of the trailer:
Joker: you see, to them, you're just a freak.....Like Me! (made me laugh my ass off when I heard that)

Go back to sleep BS. 'Calderon' (misspelled--needs an accent over the 'o' to correct the pronunciation--but cannot make my computer accept the correct spelling) is the Spanish rootword for "cauldren". So, I'd give Westcoastpat props for taking Freddie Prinz' admonition "you're in America now, speak Spanish" to heart.

As to best Disney 2D, it has to be either Pinocchio or Dumbo. They each convey beautiful messages without preaching and without trying so hard to be hip (yeah, I am looking at you latter day Disney flicks).

Ahem, the Dark Knight trailer brought me close to "happy ending". I am that excited.

Oops, forget to mention that I think "Dragons and Douchebags" is a redundancy.

Go back to sleep BS. 'Calderon' (misspelled--needs an accent over the 'o' to correct the pronunciation--but cannot make my computer accept the correct spelling) is the Spanish rootword for "cauldren".
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Hahahahaha (nothing against Westcoast it was just a friendly Pajiba poke), as for you Rudy, that rootword bullshit is just plain...asshattery.

Bambi is my fav Disney 2D, for it's sexual undertones of course.

If it counts (since the animation is 2D but there are people), it's got to be Mary Poppins. As a child, it was the most magical thing I'd ever seen and as a adult, well, one just can't help laughing at Dick VanDyke trying to be a cockney.

No one said Jungle Book? Definitely the best 2-d.

The Little Mermaid, closely followed by Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin - I think mostly because those all came out when I was in the right age range to enjoy Disney movies.

Since becoming a grown-up, I second the love for the Emperor's New Groove.

BS, you can give a poke but do not like being poked. Still posturing that you are not gay, at all, to any degree?

I went to the movies this weekend and saw No Country for Old Men... and wow! What a great movie, it was totally worth the money my date paid :)

I have no feeling one way or the other chuckles. And what's with you and the gay or not issue?

Some kind of homophobe? Take it to your shrink.

So, was the TV Whore singing today's title when he moved out to LA? Should we now call him the Fresh Prince of Pajiba?

Emporer's New Groove- I'm sorry, but that scene where Krunk is alseep in the jungle with his pjs, a teddy bear, and under a

teeny upright tent...

conspicuously placed over his, em, midsection...

I was done.

Growing up, I always loved the super fashionable villains. I though Cruella was a super diva, and Maleficent was lovely, and Scar was just sex-on-paws.
That Gaston was a bit too muscley for me, though.

sleeping beauty is my fave disney cartoon - love the fact that the music is the original ballet music with lyrics. I have caught myself singing the "I know you" waltz song in the shower.

Rudy: "As to best Disney 2D, it has to be either Pinocchio or Dumbo. They each convey beautiful messages without preaching . . ."

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you will, but weren't Pinocchio and Dumbo the two movies that Disney annimators drew while high and/or soused? Don't these two characters both get drunk off their butts and have hallucinations?

Favorite Disney 2-D has to be Robin Hood, followed by Sword in the Stone.

Sleeping Beauty (Maleficent is my favorite)
Emperor's New Groove (Kronk and Yzma plus llamas, also no singing which was a nice change)

Re: Dark Knight trailer

I love Maggie Gyllenhaal so much. Katie Holmes can go suck a dick.

You know why I love our readers so much. Because they are the complete opposite of this. Thanks Wakeful. -- DR

Go back to sleep BS. 'Calderon' (misspelled--needs an accent over the 'o' to correct the pronunciation--but cannot make my computer accept the correct spelling) is the Spanish rootword for "cauldren".
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Hahahahaha (nothing against Westcoast it was just a friendly Pajiba poke), as for you Rudy, that rootword bullshit is just plain...asshattery.

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Man, you try to write one hastily assembled post at work and look what happens......to paraphrase Bruce Campbell, "Pajiba posters, just a bunch of bitchy little girls"

Very happy to see all the Groove love.

BWeaves, assuming arguendum that even if I concede what you wrote, what does any of that have to do with my stated opinion--that these two movies are my favorite Disney 2Ds--that you quoted? You be drinkin' and hallucinatin' BW? Mama Jumbo and Jimminey Cricket would not approve.

If the cartoonists were "soused" (and how would I know? yet I surely do not care) that doesn't detract from my estimation of their product as a beautifully drawn animated film. Results BWeaves, that is what I am appraising in offering my opinion, not irrelevant conduct or intent. As Balanchine wisely taught: Never substitute activity for skill.

The product can easily be--I daresay should be--separated from the actions of the creators. E.g., the only one of my fellow students who received a grade of A in every one of his law school courses was stoned every day (including, ney, especially, exam days)during law school.

Finally, even if the characters of Pinocchio and Dumbo get drunk (you seem to be fixated on this theme), would that not reinforce my point that the movies teach valuable lessons without preaching or resorting to posuer-hip-itude?

BW, I think the weaves were tightened a little too tight (yeah, it's a joke BS).

Favorite Non 3-D, Pixar or Hayao Miyazaki Disney movie: Beauty and the Beast. Just kills me every time.
And if I don't see No Country, I will die. And I hope people take the time to see Juno, because it was the best sneak peak for a movie I've seen!

God, I loved all the Disney flicks. Doing so, I realize, takes all my feminist cred away, but I don't care. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite; I used to watch it before going to bed on a nightly basis. I even drug the BF down to Kansas City to see in on IMAX with me. I also love Ariel (totally wanted to be her), love Aladdin, cried at Lion King (gah, such a girl!), and think the Emperor's New Grovve is absolutely hysterical.

Rudy, yup, my weaves are wound tight.
I like these 2 movies, too, by the way. Not my favs, but I like them. I just find it interesting that they are perhaps the 2 Disney movies with animation that made me wonder what the animators were smoking. Pinochio goes on a gambling binge and grows ass' ears, and Dumbo gets drunk and floats around in champagne bubbles while seeing pink elephants. How do you explain that to the kiddies? Still probably not any weirder than Snow White cleaning up the Dwarfs' cottage with a bunch of animals, or Cinderella going to the ball in a pumpkin. Now that I think about it, they're all weird.

The Little Mermaid (where's the love???), Emperor's New Groove (SO hilarious) and Tarzan.

I know it's lame to love Disney, but I can't help it.

You mean Jason Lee doesn't do craptacular movies like Underdog & the Chipmunks to support his Scientology habit? Hmm.

I really think that The Golden Compass' failure at the box office had more to do with an unclear marketing campaign than it had to do with the whole atheistic brouhaha. All of the trailers I have seen paint with a very broad brush and fail to emphasize characters or plot sufficiently, and none of the trailers even hint at the existence of the daemons, a fun concept that people could have latched onto. (E.g., wouldn't it be fun to have a talking animal companion? I wonder what mine would be...) It didn't help that reviews were lukewarm, of course, but I certainly hope this is not a harbinger for the failure of future fantasy projects. The failure here was an inability to distinguish it from all the other fantasy movies that seem like a dime a dozen these days in an attempt to capitalize on the LOTR craze. Pullman's universe has some unique ideas that New Line completely missed the boat on showcasing in general-market publicity. I acknowledge the website was more thorough, but I don't feel we're at the point at which websites are going to drive box office. People are still driven by trailers.

I love "Beauty and the Beast"; not only is it my favorite fairy tale, but it's one of the first Disney movies where the female was smart, headstrong, and independent without being a rebellious/spoiled teenager/princess. Plus, Belle is a bookworm and so am I. It did my little girl heart good to see that being weird would pay off.

"Emperor's New Groove"! Freakin' great movie. I love David Spade for life.

"Sword in the Stone" - Archimedes is the best: "Use your head, use your head!" *stomp stomp*

I never understood what he was saying. Now I know it's "it had dice in the mirror."

I'd probably say Fantasia, but I admit I've always had a special place in my heart for The Fox and the Hound, though I haven't seen it in years. And it's not just that the fox has my name. Disney movies had dramatic teeth back then, not just a bunch of singing, so I call that period the good old days.

the_Wakeful, you know Katie Holmes probably wishes she could actually go suck a dick. It's been how long since she had any heterosexual male companionship?

Another vote for Sleeping Beauty. Just beautiful. Runners-up would be Jungle Book (gotta love the '60s music) and Alice in Wonderland.

I think there's no harm in liking Disney-- I'd much rather raise my children on Walt's oeuvre than vacuous crap such as Alvin and the Chipmunks.

Fave Disney 2-D: Beauty and the Beast. One of the best Disney flicks ever. Visually stunning, an interesting plot, an amazing heroine, and a great love story. I still get geeked up every time I see Belle and the Beast dancing in the ballroom.

I'd almost forgotten about The Emperor's New Groove. It's a shame that one is basically forgotten in the Disney legacy, because it is hilarious. One scene where the bad guy Yzma (voiced by Eartha Kitt) raises her skirt and the good guys flip out in horror b/c they think she's gonna be showing her old lady goodies, and instead she pulls out a dagger hidden near her thigh. You couldn't try that in old school Disney films.

Todd- thanks for reminding me about Fantasia. That's another fantasic one, especially the sugar-plum fairy section.

BWeaves- I agree, though I think the surreal, slightly warped storylines are visuals are far more fun than the preachy visuals of latter-day cartoons.

Oh, and while most young children were famously traumatised by the death of Bambi's mother, what really did it for me was the scene in Pinocchio in the sombre amusement park. You know, when they play pool and start turning into donkeys and freaking out. Holy crap, that was some disturbing shit. It was the child cinematic equivalent of a bad LSD trip. Never, ever again.

I clearly can't write today:

"...storylines AND visuals..."

"...than the preachy CONTENT"

I am ecstatic that my movie, Beauty and the Beast, is doing so well! As I have already stated in the Enchanted comments, I adore Beauty and the Beast. I even have the Disney Sing-a-long VHS of the movie (I won a talent show singing "Beauty and the Beast"). When the movie itself came out, I watched it like 6 times (wow...that is a bit much), and when it was released on IMAX, I watched it again. People, I saw it on Broadway. It might be one of my most favorite movies ever. However, I do enjoy a good viewing of Peter Pan, Robin Hood, and FANTASIA (yeah...I heart that movie, especially the Pastoral scene where the guy is feeding his donkey wine while Zeus is trying to kill him with lightening bolts). Sleeping Beauty is just aesthetically pleasing. I really enjoy the style of animation and the beautiful backgrounds. I guess I do like Disney but not really current Disney films if that makes any sense. I stopped liking Disney 2D-animation after Hercules (what a horrible movie). Yeah, there is some shitty Disney 2D-animation (Aristocats, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pocohontas, etc.).

On the Chipmunks movie, I would have seen a movie with LSD-induced chipmunks. That could have been amusing.

On Nicole Kidman: She will always have a small place in my heart for her work in Moulin Rouge. I think what went wrong was when she decided to be a blond again. She needs to stick with being a redhead.

Julie, thank you for the awesome Emperor quotes. Priceless. I think I shall watch my DVD this evening.

Ooo, I forgot "Robin Hood"! I will always love that movie because Robin Hood has the sexiest voice EVER. I've had a crush on him since I was a wee child.

The Great Mouse Detective is my favorite 2D Disney movie. Sure, The Lion King and Emperors New Groove (Yay! I'm a llama again. Wait...) are pretty great and will always be amoung my favs, this one reigns supreme. Who can resist Basil of Baker Street or his arch nemisis, Professor Ratigan?

I saw I Am Legend this weekend too, but more importantly, I also the trailer for the Dark Knight, and let me say I got chills from Heath Ledger's cackle. And seeing that truck flip over near the end made me giddy. I can't wait to see this.

Also, good call on Identity. That movie was probably the best suspense/horror movie I'd ever seen, right up until the psychobable crap in the third act ruined the whole thing. Such a shame.

damn i loves me some Beauty and the Beast ... a truly worthy nominee for best picture that year and the apogee of the disney revival ... unfortunately, howard ashman's death in 91 meant that the lyrics would never again reach the heights that they did in BatB, it's childishly easy to tell the Ashman penned pieces from Tim Rice's clumsier efforts in Aladdin ... pity, pity, pity

I love, love, love almost all Disney 2-D films of the past. I have most of them in my video collection and await the arrival of others to the DVD format.

But why no love for Cinderella. Oh, how I adore that movie. And no, I don't believe for a second that Cinderella was just waiting for a prince to come and rescue her from her plight. If fact, Cinderella's main message is that if you have a deep belief in your hopes and dreams your life will improve. While life rarely works out that way, it is beliefs in our dreams that keeps us from giving up completely and accepting life as it is instead of what it could be.

Cinderella never said that she wanted a man. She just wanted a chance to have a lovely night at the ball. The upside to this was she enchanted a prince who fell in love with her and was determined to find her. Cinderella has far more power than she is given credit for - with the help of a fairy godmother and her furry little friends, of course.

That movie got me through many hard times and, as sappy as it sounds, told me not to give up because if I believed then my dreams could, and dare I say, would come true (with hard work, determination, and a bit of luck, of course). And for that reason, Cinderella will always be my favorite.

No matter how your heart is grieving,
if you keep on believing,
The dreams that you wish
Will come true

I do love Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Emperor's New Groove, Dumbo (Baby of Mine scene gets me all the time), The Rescuers, The Lion King, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Bambi, etc., etc. But nothing beats Cinderella.

I worry about the people who said "The Fox and the Hound" and "Oliver and Company" were classic Disneys. They came out in what, 1988? Fuck. Disney has been making animated films since the thirties, you know.

That said, I loved Beauty and the Beast as a kid. Lion King was the last great definitively Disney animated film (Emperor's New Groove is not definitively Disney) and fuck anyone who says otherwise.

Nothing will ever top The Little Mermaid in my mind, though The Black Cauldron comes close. I envy Tokyo Disney for being the only Disney theme park to acknowledge the existence of that wonderful dark fantasy.

And to prevent being flamed by some angry people, Dumbo and Alice in Wonderland are right up there with those two 80's films, and Fantasia is in a category all its own.

Definitely "Jungle Book" Louis Prima singing "I wanna be like you" is the best part.....we have the soundtrack on vinyl.

I DO have a special place in my heart for "The Rescuers", though.

I don't think Disney's 2-D films age particularly well; I watched The Jungle Book and Peter Pan sometime last year, and promptly wished I hadn't. My faves as a kid were Robin Hood and The Sword In The Stone.

Sword In The Stone fans: if you were Wart, would you have stayed as a red squirrel for that little bit longer? Just to see what, y'know, *it* was like. You know what I'm talking about.

BS, you inspired me: yesterday I picked up a copy of "El Calderón Negro" (in a belated salute to bitchy little girls (aka Pajib[i]ans acc/Westcoastpat). Must say, however, that I found the translation to be quite poor, which is surprising since Spanish is a much more expressisve language (particularly for darker shadings) than is English.

And BWeaves, you prompted me to re-view Pinocchio and Dumbo. I still think that they are classic and lovingly rendered Disney whereas all the Pajiba love for Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, and other latter day 2Ds may be more a reflection of childhood memories than a more dispassionate view of the artistic merits of the entirety of the Disney 2D ouevre. (Sorry, using that word always makes my inner bitchy little girl giggle.)

Thanks to the whole Pajib[i]an community for reminding me of their enduring worth, I also picked up heavily discounted DVDs (local store closing a location) of favorites such as In America and Emmet Otter's Jug-Band Christmas (among many others, YAH!) for only $2.95! They will tide me over well until I am alone in the dark with The Dark Knight Heath's Joker.

After reading all the comments above and remembering all these great Disney movies...I've come to the realization that I love them all, and could never pick out a favorite.

Favorite Disney is a toss up between Sleeping Beauty (beautiful villain that turns into a dragon!)and Robin Hood. "Not in Nottingham" is my all time favorite Disney song ever - just heartbreaking.

"...BS, you inspired me: yesterday I picked up a copy of "El Calderón Negro" (in a belated salute to bitchy little girls (aka Pajib[i]ans acc/Westcoastpat)..."

Why YOU...*grabs wand* AVADA KEDA...shit, you're lucky I don't have powers...over the net.

"I think we all know that in the alternate ending, Jazzy Jeff breaks into the underground lab and thrusts a broken bottle into Will Smith's neck and says, 'Who's jiggy with it now, bitch?'"

I can't tell you how hard I laughed with teh image of this going through my mind....The Dark Knight preview was the only reason I went to see I Am Legand in IMAX actually. Well woth it in my humble opinion.

I am so glad to hear that Juno is expanding! Only 1 theatre in my area is showing it, and at hours in which I am at work.

I had no idea Stardust was almost out! Well, I know what I'm buying myself for Christmas. I'm a Neil Gaiman junky, shoot me up some of that stat!