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Robot Cock!

"Robot cock?"

Will the hardware attached to the hardware be singing I'm just a gigolobot-3000 / and everywhere I go ...

We've seen robot cock before, most notably in the 70s effort Demon Seed, where a supercomputer gets it into its head to impregnate a woman after first imprisoning her in her own home. Not a bad film.

SatC was brilliant! Bollocks to all the "I'm a guy's guy" snobs (you included, DR). In it's prime, it was some of the best writing on TV, a window into the female psyche for all men to explore/exploit and the movie does the show justice.

If you're a guy who won't watch it 'cause it's a "chick flick," you probably don't have a lot of interaction with females (again, that's probably you, DR) because you don't understand what makes them tick. While not having ALL the answers for you, SatC is a good start.

Hugely enjoyable movie, highly recommended.

Now, you're just being sexist, boogs. I've seen all the "SaTC" episodes, and even liked the first fews seasons (see, e.g., my review). And I wouldn't dismiss your opinions of a football film because you're a woman or assume you don't have a lot of interaction with men. That's just insulting. And I'm faux offended at your stereotypical observations and presumptions. Hmph. -- DR

You need to drop the trailer for the new Coen Bros. movie "Burn After Reading" if it's not still iTunes only.

I don't know what capricious deity decided that having some combination of George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Tilda Swinton in multiple movies was something movies deserved (did I mention Malkovitch and Frances McDormand and J.K. Simmons too?) but I'm real glad they did.

You know, I normally don't give two tugs of a dead robot's cock about the ads here, but motherfucking PETA?

Sorry, boogs, but I disagree. I'm sort-of fan of the show, and I sort-of enjoyed the movie. But, I went with a group of friends, and we all agreed it would constitute cruel and unusual punishment to make a guy sit through all 2.5 hours of SaTC.

Yeah, that's a real nice page title, Mr. Rowles. Looks good on an IE7 tab too (assuming one is at work like me).

You are mischievous this morning.

Yes, I'm feeling the release slump too. I have some excitement for Wall-E, but everything else is "well....maybe". At least I had the opening to finally see "Son of Rambow". "Space Chimps", why can't you get here any faster???

Still, jolly good chance to catch up on my Dickens!

If you have an arts movie house, go see The Visitor, people. Seriously.

DR:

Actually I'm a guy (happily married with two kids), but the fact that you thought I was a woman I consider something of a compliment inasmuchas I think my past successes with the fairer sex are mainly due to my understanding them a little better than most of my male contemporaries.

I have, it's fair to say, been called metrosexual on more than one occasion and consider myself somewhat "gay" (and all the stereotypes that may imply) with the major exception that I just find only women attractive (not that I can't appreciate what constitutes a "handsome" guy, though).

Your comments suggest that you wouldn't want to sit through the film not because it's a bad piece of cinema, but because it's "a bunch of women talking about women's stuff." If this isn't the case, and you truly think it's a bad movie, I apologize.

LB - you and your friends may be right in saying that it would be "cruel and unusual punishment to make a guy sit through all 2.5 hours of SatC" if you're talking about the "average male."

There are many of us, though, that don't consider ourselves "the average male" (I think the very notion of what constitutes an "average male" is changing, and is certainly not the same thing in Europe).

Again, if you sort-of liked the show, then I can see you sort-of liking the movie. My point is that someone's level of affection for the show will probably be commensurate with their level of affection for the movie.

Terrifickingly hidden spoiler, Dustin. I almost wished I cared more to bitch about it for reals, but all the lukewarm Indy reception left me quite indifferent.

You see boogs, it's people like you that elevate my feeling towards SatC from mere dislike to hatred. People who insist that the series/film is not just entertainment, but some kind of huge step for womankind. People who insist that if we don't like it we're a bunch of closed-minded sexists. People who insist that SatC is somehow a real representation of the majority of women. If the majority of women actually were that shallow and fashion-dependant and narrow-minded, I'd change my sexual preference to robot cock in an instant. Thank Godtopus most women are nothing like that (at least, the ones I've met/befriended/loved).

Soooo...Are two guys going to have a fight about Sex in the City? I'll stick around for that.

I'm a girl, by the way, so I'll stay out of it.

So apparently I'm the only one more upset by the lack of Monty in 'Still Waiting'...wonder if they'll have him carted off for statutory rape? Its probably the one decent movie that also happens to have Dane Cook in it-for like five mins since that's the maximum amount of time he can be funny.

I liked Waiting... but I just can't see how it would work without Ryan Reynolds and his delicious, delicious abs.

Mmmmmmmm... Ryan Reynolds' abs... (Gargling Noises).

Seriously, are you saying I'm going to have to watch Justin Long mugging it for the cameras for ninety-or-so minutes? Fuck my life...

Bistro - Jeez, and I thought I was coming off a bit high and mighty! When did I say that SatC had all the answers or was "a huge step for womankind" or a real representation of real women?

What I DID say was that it had terrific writing and insight into the female mind. There's a reason beyond the superficial why the show was so popular and such a cultural phenomenon - it struck a chord with women (and so says almost every woman I know who's SEEN the show). I, for one, learned a lot about the way some women think through watching the show.

The fact that my opinion of SatC could somehow alter your perception of the whole thing from didlike to hatred says more about you than anything else.

If you "hate" it because you think it's shallow and the women in it are narrow-minded, then, with respect, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's not The Hills, for fuck's sake.

Just like saying The Sopranos or The Larry Sanders Show or The Wire are great isn't a matter of opinion, your opinion of SatC once again fits the stereotype of "most men."

Come on, kids, it's way too early in the day to start fighting over SATC. Besides, if you need to trumpet its virtues *sticks finger down throat* go over to the actual review thread.

(Yes, I'm a woman, with two ovaries and the requisite level of hormones.)

It's Monday, for the love of Godtopus.

Women can watch it all they want, I'd rather talk to them later about something else than try to glean anything from the show or share the experience (again, Judy Blume's "Summer Sisters" was an unintentional eye opener. I really don't need to look under the hood that badly when it's that scary). That's not to put down women's entertainment, I just have no interest in exploring these characters. Almost all of my friends are women (we seem to have a rapport that mostly doesn't exist between other men and I), but I tend to be talking about 30 Rock, Doctor Who and Elvis Costello with them.

boogs
1. I did not say you alone have turned me to hate. Sorry but you do not have that kind of power. For an example of the many people like you, head over to the actual review and scroll to the bottom of the comments. And no, I'm not one of the people who hates SJP for her appearance. I dislike her because she can't act her way out of a paper bag and becuase she seems to specialize in the role of shallow fashionista, then she proclaims it to be feminism.

2. You did, in fact, imply that SatC is a realistic depiction of women when you called it "a window into the female psyche."

3. I find it rather amusing that because of our opinion about a movie (we find it to be a huge bloated boring stereotype) you immediately begin calling all of us huge bloated boring stereotypes. [In essence. I'm aware of the fact that you never actually used those words. You can stop calling me a liar because I stated your implication and not your actual words.]

Finally, I'll just say that I have no real problem with the movie/series itself. If mindless entertainment is what you want, more power to ya. Lord knows not everything has to have deeper meaning and insight. But stop telling us it's just entertainment one second, and then calling us a bunch of sexist pigs for not recognizing it's so-called feminist power the next.

Alright, I'm tired of arguing now.

Question: When did Justin Long go from someone I liked and looked forward to seeing get work to someone who makes me say "Again? Ugh..."? It wasn't the Mac ads... I think it was Die Hardest. Anyone else have a better spot to pinpoint his turn?

boogs and other SaTC lovers, may I direct you to the blog of a REAL woman and the window to her psyche?
http://youlookfunny.blogspot.com/

What is entertaining for one is not for another. What is "empowering" for one is nauseating for most everyone I know, out here in the real world.

It's been one of those weekends.

I can't believe that I come on here and the first thing I see is an argument over the merits of SaTC. I'm just going to go and get myself a cup of tea and hopefully when I get back, someone will have come up with an interesting way to use the Robot Cock in a game of Scrabble.

Bistro - "But stop telling us it's just entertainment one second, and then calling us a bunch of sexist pigs for not recognizing it's so-called feminist power the next."

Can't it be both entertainment AND commentary on relationships, love, SOME women (holy shit, man, you're really stuck on this whole "boogs thinks that ALL women are exactly like the characters in SatC" thing, aren't you? [Since you seem to KNOW what I'm implying - oh, the arrogance - I'll assume to KNOW what you were implying].

Again, and for the last time all, I promise, my problem is with people (mostly men) hating this movie or show not because it's a bad movie or show with bad writing, bad acting, bad directing, bad editing, etc., etc. but because it's about "stupid women." Your labeling of the movie/show as "mindless entertainment" Bistro, and I'm sorry if this seems smug, proves my point.

A lot of women really DO like shallow stuff such as labels, shoes, handbags, etc., but it's not ALL they like or are about (again, the fact that this is all you see from the characters in SatC speaks volumes). SatC, I believe, and it's attendant success (both as show and now movie), firm place in the cultural zeitgeist and inspiration for many great articles/essays on its impact would seem to reinforce this.

Mmmmm. I wish I could care about what some guy thinks is an insightful look into the female mind, but I can't. Perhaps it's because I'm too busy working a real job and keeping a relationship going that isn't based on what my husband can buy me. By the way, you do know that while some percentage of the source material was written by Candace Bushnell, the show episodes and the film were all writte by a man?

I would see the SATC sequel if there were zombies in it. That could be quite hilarious. My money would be on Miranda or Samantha. I can picture either of them blasting their way through the shambling hordes with shotguns.

But if the sequel involves robot cock? No. They've already covered vibrators quite thoroughly, and what else is robot cock except a super-enhanced vibrator?

So, I don't watch SATC and haven't seen the movie, but did anyone else catch the MTV Movie Awards last night? (shut up, sundays are bad TV days, it's in the gospel) They had Sarah Jessica Parker presenting an award with Jennifer Hudson. SJP's head was level with Jennifer Hudson's boobs and about the same size, it was very unintentionally amusing.

I want to see Iron Man again and pretend that all the movies I will see this summer will be that satisfying. Then again, I can make that happen by just seeing Iron Man over and over again until Dark Knight comes out.

Also, who saw the Venture Brothers premiere last night? Anyone want to talk about that instead of SATC?

Here's something to ponder. There's no denying that in the beginning, the show was groundbreaking. It reached levels of legendary quality in it's first couple of seasons, but then it started to wain, as the characters began repeating themselves, and just became blatant squawk boxes. People slavishly worshipped them, and if you didn't appreciate it, you were some sort of boorish heretic who couldn't appreciate smart comedy. Not that the show wasn't actually good anymore. Just that we were stupid.

Then this movie comes along that's totally unnecessary, and even though diehard fans have been crooning for it ever since, it felt like an extended episode and not a particularly good one at that. Sure, there were parts that were sheer brilliance, and just the fact that you got to appreciate it on a big screen meant a lot. But it still felt like I was cheated, and the quality wasn't there.

And that's why, despite how much I love the show, I didn't like The Simpsons Movie.

I hope they do make a sequel to Sex and the City. And I hope it finally goes to the place where the series has been hinting that it's going to be heading for six years. No more sex, or relationships, or friendhsips, or double entendres. No, let's have a movie about what these characters truly obsess over, lust after, and love with all their heart.

It's called Shoe in the City. And it will be two and a half hours of these four girls fucking shoes. Sitting around, drinking cosmos and shoving those motherfucking Manolo Blahniks up their twats as they masturbate themselves to a better life and smaller feet.

It will make millions.

Genny I don't watch Venture Brothers despite your, and others, raves - it just doesn't sound like my bag. But I would rather talk about anything than SatC at this point, so I encourage you to tell me all about it and try to convince me.

Really? REALLY? We're still talking about this? I thought this was where I could get away from people talking about this.

Genny, I missed the Venture Bros. premiere on account of being very drunk. Is there anywhere to catch it online?

Damn, you all really freaking HATE SatC!! I know I'm in the minority, but I'm sticking to my guns, dammit!

I don't get what it did to deserve such, such vitriol!

The Venture Brothers once again decided to go fucking batshit. They look like they are going to focus on The Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend more this season. Or at least from the first episode, at least. It was definitely one of those episodes for people who have been watching the show. If you just joined in, you'd have no idea about seventy percent of the jokes they were making. But I laughed. Then again, I was whacked out of my gourd on cold medicine, so it could have been that. But I think it bodes well for the season.

jM, Yup, you can catch it on adultswim.com. It's called "Shadowman 9: in the Cradle of Destiny". And it relies really REALLY heavily on backstory. Still good.

Venture Brothers is one of the most brilliant things to come down the animation pike in a long, long time. You'd do yourself well to get the season 1 dvds and start there.

"When I first met her she looked like Saffron from that band Republica"

Yes, anything ever said or seen can be used (and pretty much was).

Also, I'm positive one of the silhouettes was the "Inappropriate Behavior" example from the Unregistered Villains infomercial. The Guild's publicity is phony!

Me, I'm just happy when Monarch calls someone a dick, but it had a lot more to offer. Jackson said Monarch and Dr. Girlfriend were last season's arc but didn't reveal what the new one is. The title sequence will change next week, just like last year I guess when the first episode was only a few characters.

Also: Truckules!! Oh I love him.

I'd link to the story Michael at DListed mentioned about the dress but, I don't want to stoke the fire too much just for a funny story. Still, it's odd that the imbroglio has defenders of both "you're not taking it seriously" and "stop taking it seriously" varieties. It's really kind of fascinating, but no, not worth protracted arguing.

Also, I only got to start watching "Silence in the Library" this morning. And ooooh, heady!

For the love of Godtopus, waiting was only funny because of Ryan Reynolds. What the hell are they thinking?

It saddens me that SatC broke the R rated comedy record, but that just improves The Happening's chances of breaking the record next. However, very glad to see The Strangers rack up a third place opening, seeing as it deserves it. Boy, did that spark an interesting drive home...

As for Justin Long, I think the moment he started dating Drew Barrymore and selling out to Alvin and the Chipmunks was the turning point to hatred. Mostly out of envy and castigation (in that exact order.)

Yeah, I don't know. Might've been the Mac ads, since I'm all anti-Jobs and his cult of smug, wee beady eyes. But I did notice there was a change from "hey, that likable kid on 'Ed'" to "oh no, HE'S in Die Hard? I hope that's not a bad sign!" But he was alright so I don't have much of a problem at this point.

The crushing news, however, is that Ryan Reynolds isn't in it.
oh see now, that just ain't right
there is no reason to see this movie now
I have a theory that a little bit of Ryan Reynolds makes everything better/watchable

I am mostly just waiting (waiting! see what I did there?) for The Dark Knight and Wall-E (I will admit it, mostly Wall-E) to come out, those being the only two good movies I see in the foreseeable future.

I'm unshamefully admitting that I thought that SATC was hilarious and at times, witty, and that I thoroughly enjoyed myself. I also thought there was enough body-related humour and titties for your average hetero(*cough* normative) male to enjoy, or so it would seem by some of their comments.

I can't help but wonder why it is seen as "shameful" to enjoy a "female driven" movie, yet it is ok, even cool, for a woman to enjoy a more "male driven" movie like Spiderman, or Superbad (equally superficial fluff) or the like. Maybe just a little bit of inequality there...

After reading the words "robot cock," the first thing my brain did was mesh it into a Daft Punk song. So now I have "Rock! Robot Cock!" stuck in my head.

Agente Provocatrice - well said.

It's almost seen as some sort of badge of honor to hate SatC 'round these parts.

I mean, god(topus) forbid you think for yoursleves and NOT jump on the backlash bandwagon!

I watched the Venture Brothers premiere early this morning when they replayed it and I was heartened to see that it's just as twisted and odd as the previous season. And using Holst's "Jupiter" theme as part of the background soundtrack just Did It for me.

Agente Provocatrice, a theory for you...most of the "female driven" entertainment out there is written by males. Males who would write equally shitty "male driven" entertainment and would inflict the same amount of pain on the world. Most females flock to it because it's the same universal situations everyone seeks to romanticize, but portrayed with a decidedly female bent on the same old wish fulfillment. They enjoy it, even on a guilty pleasure level, much as guys enjoy such movies.

Try to get a guy to watch it though, and you'll meet with mostly disastrous results; much like you would trying to get a woman to watch the male equivalent of Sex and the City. The point is, labels are still labels, and Sex and the City is almost like the female Superbad. Only it lacks the charm, star power, and general brevity of its running time to be endearing with the public. It's not that female driven movies are bad, it's just that sometimes they're just as bad as male driven movies, and the only reason they gain notice is because, well...they're female instead of male.

Just a biased opinion though, and before anyone questions it, yes I've seen some episodes of the show and I hated that too. Neither am I against all "chick flicks", I was quite fond of Serendipity and The Sweetest Thing (if that even counts).

A Sex and the City sequel should have aliens in it. With robot-cocks. Who are also vampire-zombie hybrids. THAT movie I'd go see.

And stop trashing Indy.

Jay, there was so much goodness in that episode for people who have watched the whole series at least two or three times. Did you catch that Mexican wrestler from Dia de los Dangerous?

I can't wait to see what happens to Phantom Limb, he always seemed like he could be a much better villain but his own petty got in the way. I wouldn't want the guy coming after ME, I'll tell you that much.

Mike R. - you see, I just don't get it. You can't possibly have "hated" the show based on the merits of the acting/writing etc. and therefore must hate it due to its "female bent."

Are we now to hate the works of Austen because Marianne, Elinor and Emma's wish was to find and marry a man? Decidedly female-centric stories (and no, I'm not saying that SatC is NECESSARILY in the same league) the lot of them that can be viewed as (to quote you) "the same universal situations everyone seeks to romanticize, but portrayed with a decidedly female bent on the same old wish fulfillment."

And you're way off when you write "Try to get a guy to watch it though, and you'll meet with mostly disastrous results; much like you would trying to get a woman to watch the male equivalent of Sex and the City." While the average man may not have time for a chick flick, I think you'll find that many women, like Agent Provocatrice stated, are more open to the male version of entertainment than you like to pigeonho...I mean, think.

And on opinion? You liked Serendipity and The Sweetest Thing? Two universally derided/panned films, while hating the (generally regarded as) groundbreaking SatC. I know it's all opinions, but if it look like shit and smells like shit, well, you know the rest.

OK, I really should get back to work now. I'm sorry if I apppear to be argumentative, it just fucks me off when I see an irrational hatred of something for a fucked-up reason ('cause it's a chick flick that perhaps, dare I say, aspires to be something more).

Is SatC so offensive that so many people greatly desire it to fail?

The crushing news, however, is that Ryan Reynolds isn't in it.

Why bother making a sequel then? It's like the stupid Van Wilder sequel with just Kal Penn. Fucking hell.

SatC was brilliant!

The movie was shite. I watched every episode and enjoyed much of the series, but the last couple of seasons were weak and undermined the ideals the first seasons tried to establish. The movie then finished the job. It was also an undisciplined mess with only a few funny lines here and there. Bashing a film's critics because they must be in some benighted state of anti-[insert protected group here] denial is pretty weak.

Bollocks to all the "I'm a guy's guy" snobs (you included, DR).

Yeah! That's what this place is all about, man! Being a guy's guy and bashing films directed toward women! Dustin, you Neantherthal!

While not having ALL the answers for you, SatC is a good start.

If Sex and the City is the answer, I don't know what the question could possibly be. Maybe "What in the hell happened to the hard work of the last two generations of profesional women to try to be taken seriously?"

Samuel Erikson - You're bothered about an ad for PETA?

From where I'm sitting I can see, not one, but two ads for the web site celebrating 25 Years of Tom Cruise!

I come here to get away from the toothy midget.

now, boogs, while I tend to agree with most of your points, I don't think you are being entirely fair to the people who disagree with you.

For example, why couldn't have Mike R disliked the show because of the acting/writing? I personallly like the actresses and their abilities, but I have heard arguments from some who think the acting is sub-par, very rational well-reasoned arguments as well. It pretty much comes down to "to each their own" on that. It seems rather foward to assume that since he did not state right off the bat that he was not a fan of the acting or writing, his bias against the show was based purely on the fact that its "female bent"

as for Dustin, I thought his review was very fair. He states right off the bat that he is a fan of the show, has seen all of the episodes, and that the movie could have been worse. In the end it seems, to me anyways, that it came down to quality, not tone or content. As with every good show, SaTC had its bad episodes. Any show that ran 6 seasons would, it is inevitable. The thing that seems to be dissapointing most people is that the movie comes off as one of the weaker episodes stretched out into movie length.

From the review I have read and the trailers I have seen (I have not seen the movie as of this date), the film seems to move away from the themes of the early seasons that made the show so ground-breaking and novel, as you stated previously. maybe because it was trying to appeal to a broader range of possible movie-goers, and not just the fans it had already accrued, the movie drifted into your typical cookie cutter romantic comedy territory. find a man, man proposes, something goes wrong, happy ending. The edginess that us fans of the series know and love was severly dulled. (that and they had Steve cheating, which annoys me to all end, he was the most believable male character in the whole series, and he would never cheat on Miranda)

I think what my rambling comment is trying to say is that there are huge variety of reasons one might dislike the movie, and probably only about half of them are because it is a "chick flick" (I completely agree with you that those people are out there, with probably a few on this site. I just don't think anybody who has posted so far in this thread falls into that category), and that most here most likely were dissapointed bcause they had been looking forward to this movie since the series ended and they knew that it could have been so much more than it ended up being.

sorry for the long post, even more so if it ends up not makeing any sense

I plead monday.

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"Try to get a guy to watch it though, and you'll meet with mostly disastrous results; much like you would trying to get a woman to watch the male equivalent of Sex and the City."

I don't know about mostly disastrous, Mike R.; my husband (who, for the record, is about as un-metrosexual as they come) has had the odd chuckle watching Sex and the City on TV. As Agent Provocatrice said, there's plenty of raunch and boobies to appeal to the menfolk (hell, there was even a poo joke thrown into the movie for good measure).

Likewise, I had a few laughs during Superbad, although I concur that it would help to have been a teenaged boy in order to fully appreciate it.

*sigh*

I do think it's a bit silly that, just because the protagonists are women, many people are quick to dismiss a movie as being FOR women only.

Did you catch that Mexican wrestler from Dia de los Dangerous?

Ah! Knew his face but couldn't place him.

I started watching right before the second dvd set came out, so I could just plow through it all. Now it's the mid-stream fan's curse of being caught up and having to wait on the new.

Oh yeah, Bo Diddley's dead.

THAT is what's worth being upset about.

I'm sorry I misrepresented myself. I'm not against Sex and the City because it's about females, I'm against it because I really don't like the writing and acting. You could replace the leads with men, switch the shoes to foreign cars, and replace Chris Noth with Carmen Electra and you'd still hear me bitch about the theme song and whomever filled Samantha's shoes. This was an error on my part, and I apologize.

Moreso, I'm not a fan because it's the type of show that breeds the occassional fan who takes the show as gospel. That woman who needs the latest labels here and now, the woman who demands that a man keep her in money so she can indulge in such things, and that woman who sees this show as the most flimsy excuse to drink, screw, and shop her way to happiness. As opposed to us "pesants" who have to settle for actually liking someone for who they are, instead of being drawn to their bank book.

And Boogs, since when did being in the minority become a crime on this site? I apologize if I happened to like Serendipity and The Sweetest Thing over Sex and the City and The Lake House, but that's just how I roll. I would enjoy a female themed project if it were intelligent, about real life values, and actually funny/dramatic, instead of something that's consumeristic and shallow as this. Again, just my biased opinion. (And "raunch and poo jokes" aren't always male humor. I find it surprising how I've "pigeonholed" female humor, and yet male humore is pigeonholed as "raunch and poo jokes". What the Hell ever happened to wordplay and slapstick? Which, last time I checked, everyone can enjoy.)

Sorry if I'm long winded or sounding misogynist, I assure you it's unintended, but I reflect SoCalled's feelings, "What in the hell happened to the hard work of the last two generations of profesional women to try to be taken seriously?"

We've gone from Murphy Brown to Carrie Bradshaw. What next?

You know, I think you earned the vitrol by coming across as kind of a tool -- and not in a particularly interesting or funny way. Seriously. You can be a grade A asshole around here and be absolutely beloved, but you have to be the right kind of asshole.

Honestly? I liked Sex and the City when it was on the air (the first few seasons were the ones I liked best, but I found things to enjoy in the later seasons as well). I saw the movie, and I thought parts of it were cute. I read your comments and I wanted to shove a Manolo Blahnik up your nose. Not just the stiletto. The whole damn shoe.

It was a visceral reaction that I can't really explain. I was also immediately convinced that if the SaTC ladies were real, they'd think you were a douchebag.

Now, you're probably a very nice person who doesn't deserve to go through life with an overpriced piece of footwear permanently lodged in your nasal cavities (and just RUINING your profile),and you're probably NOT ACTUALLY the sort of man that roving packs of sexually vociferous women in $700 outfits would point and laugh at while applying the nom de plum "Mr. Douchebag" on the gritty yet glamorous streets of New York City. But when you get on a website like this one and then detour both the high and (occasionally amusing) low roads in favor of the smug ramp onto the pretentiousness turnpike, people are probably going to react to that.

We only do smug pretension ironically here.

You know, as a woman, I'd like to go on record as saying that any guy who feels that liking SaTC gives him some sort of special insight into my psyche is probably a guy that I won't date, won't be friends with, and WILL mock in social situations. What can I say? I'm not the Carrie, I'm not the Miranda, I'm not the Samantha, and as much as I covet her wardrobe I am not the Charlotte. I'm the Cranky Bitch, and people thinking that the inner workings of me will correlate to a fun TV show written by gay men and a group of women who have very little in common with me regionally and culturally total sets off my Things That Will Make Me Go Stabby radar.

But yeah, I wouldn't take it personally. Kinda like Harry Hamlin just has a really punchable face, you've just really had a couple of punchable posts.

Robot Cock

Does this make "Detachable penis" the new Pajiba Theme Song? There is a theme song, right?

Jay, I had to go check to see if that was true. That is a major loss for the music world. Even if he was unable to perform anymore.

SATC in the beginning was smart, funny, and edgy. After season 5, it all went downhill and apparently the movie continues that trend. I watched the whole series run. I cannot count the number of times I wished someone would have slapped Ms. Bradshaw. Miranda rang more true for me than the rest of the characters, at least early Miranda.

Will I go see the movie? Nope. I have more pressing matters, such as Iron Man and The Dark Knight. I do love a man in a Batsuit. Mmm..batsuit...mmm...

Then this movie comes along that's totally unnecessary, and even though diehard fans have been crooning for it ever since, it felt like an extended episode and not a particularly good one at that.

I sincerely hope the X-files movie doesn't suffer this same fate, since its another "several years after the fact" remake...but I maintain that Mulder and Scully endure. Duchovny lives!

in my pants...

I liked the show until the last season and a half. Me and the Mr. used to watch it and found it quite amusing. The idea of the movie does not appeal to me, because for me the show was done and I did not want to re-visit it.

I can understand why men would not want to watch this movie or the show. To each his/her own. But having recently endured a 7 1/2 hour flight in which the passengers were punished for flying United by being asked to endure "27 Dresses", I have to ask: "Where are all of the movies 'for women' that are not idiotic romances?'

I'm old. I'm happily married. I'm done with dating and searching for the perfect guy. I'm tired. And at this point in my life I would rather watch Iron Man than SatC.

R.I.P Bo Diddley.

PaleoLithChick...I kind of love you right now.

Also, please don't refer to us as "the fairer sex." Come on.

There were vampire-zombie hybrids with robot cocks in the basement of my apartment building for months. We lost two exterminators before they managed to kill the queen vampire-zombie hybrid with a robot cock. Nasty buggers.

It's conversations like these that make me want to take a blunt object to the forehead of my cubicle mates.

I have yet to see any of the films mentioned in this week's roundup (even Waiting...leave me alone). Iron Man is the only one I would see, but the weekends have been so nice I can't make myself sit in a theatre for 2+ hours. I'd rather go strawberry picking.

Okay boogs:

You've done it now. You've brought Austen into it. I cannot stand idly by and watch Austen once-again misinterpreted as the chick lit of her or or have her characters' intentions and motivations subverted to today's perceptions. Of the three Austen characters you mention, only one, Marianne, was fully dedicated to finding a man although even she was more dedicated to finding a grande passion than to finding a man per se and there is absolutely no doubt that Marianne would have married a pauper if he had been the one to woo her with the right poetry and romantic gestures. Emma had no interest in finding a man and no motivation to do so, being terrifically independently wealthy and enjoying a superior position in society that would not change based on her married status. Her interest was in finding a man for everyone else, less because she thought women needed men and more because she felt it to be an extension of her duty as the local patroness to ensure the lessers were provided for. Elinor Dashwood was about as far away from the SATC/DevilWearsPrada chick flick mentality as one could be despite the pressures of her era and circumstances that would have actually justified her in being avaricious and status-minded in seeking a husband. Elinor despises everything about the Regency emphasis on appearance and fashion (the only thing the period has in common with NYC ala SATC). She happens to fall in love, but would just as easily remain unattached and would never pursue an attachment that would compromise her values in any way. Austen is about women who lived in a very different time and under different social strictures deciding to rise above the shallow expectations of the fashionable class and deciding to eschew marriage as a comfortable solution in favor of marriage only as the meeting of minds and hearts. Austen was not at the time nor is it now chick lit. And if anyone says otherwise, I will hunt you down and shove a perfectly trimmed silk bonnet up your asses.

PaleoLithChick...I kind of love you right now.

seconded, she explained what I wanted to MUCH better than I did in my comment

and I am adding PaddyDog to that list for ever so wonderfully defending my librio-love Jane Austen (yet again)

Jay, I'm wicked jealous. I still can't do the bittorrent thing (my computer BLOWS) and I have to wait patiently for my Doctor fix on Friday nights at 9. But Rose! With a big gun! And The Darkness! Coming soon!

Anyway, I hope by now that boogs (that name makes me think of the Disney Sunday Night movie event featuring the scary monster man who used to say "Boogedy boogedy boo!" and had a face like grilled cheese) is gone. Seriously, and I say this again - PAJIBA IS MY HAPPY PLACE. I'm all for a valid throwdown, but shut the fuck up about SATC already. You're just stirring up bullshit. Are you Pookie in diguise?

Final word on the subject: I watched SATC when I was an impressionable college girl. I enjoyed it. Then, I stopped. Because it got ludicrous. And I grew up. I only watched the final episodes for their comedic value, and to watch Carrie get slapped by a Russian ballet legend. Get over it. And if you can't, get the fuck out of here.

Okay. Everyone back...slowwwwly away from the Austen. PaddyDog, I am your friend. I have my well worn copies of P&P and S&S right here. See? No hurt.

WHOO HOO! Mike R typed the M word!

CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG.

Ah, almost made Boogs' heartily annoying "lookit me, I'm an enlightened guy and I'm sensitive and know that women ike shallow things but they aren't ALL shallow" broo haha worth it. ALLLLMost.

I would think Buffy would be a better insight to a woman's psyche than Carrie's random bullshit. Every time I heard one of her little "thought bubbles" at the end of an episode I accidentally caught on TiVo before the Soprano's, I'd die just a little.

I would think, should one want to get involved in learning about women through film, a femfilmfest dot org sort of site would be a better place to hang out. You know. Maybe.

FWIW, I'm hoping there's a nice clean spot in the MurderTank™ to hang up my designer bags and the floor is more heel-friendly than the cafeteria here at work where I just took a spectacular spill.

I can't help but wonder why it is seen as "shameful" to enjoy a "female driven" movie, yet it is ok, even cool, for a woman to enjoy a more "male driven" movie like Spiderman, or Superbad (equally superficial fluff) or the like. Maybe just a little bit of inequality there...

Sounds like the fallacy of feminism, that in order for women to be considered equal we must become like men instead of being appreciated equally for who we are and the things we do.

Right on PaleoLithchick. I've always been attracted to the right kind of asshole, and many of my best male friends fit that bill. And I too have no interest in the kind of 'sensitive man' who would want to see this to become more in tune with women. Please. Sensitive men drive me crazy. In the same vein as I said above, I don't want a man to think he's better because he's more like a woman. I want to appreciate him for his masculine qualities.

I watched Waiting again over the weekend, and a sequel with Justin Long heading the pack sounds awful. For some reason his appeal wore off with me when he started dating Drew Barrymore. Probably because I think she's a complete moron. Cute, but stupid.

I guess it's a rambling kind of day around here today.

Is anyone else depressed by the fact that it appears Indiana and the Crystal OMFGTHISISSTUPID is going to beat a great move like Iron Man in box office?

Nicole: Final word on the subject: I watched SATC when I was an impressionable college girl. I enjoyed it. Then, I stopped. Because it got ludicrous.
Yes. As it is with many an indulgence growing up (romance novels, Felicity, Dawson's Creek, That stupid book the "Princessa" about Machiavelli for Women that I thought for one second was empowering and now realize is ludicrous, I'm lookin' at YOU) it's good to say "oh, that was fun" and walk away sometimes. Enjoy SaTC? Go you. Think it's a powerful voice for women? FU.

greer:

When the bonnet shoving starts, you're exempt (as is Bethy), but everyone else needs to be very afraid. I have my own Murder-Barouche (TM) drawn by a well-matched pair of chestnuts, and a darning needle that can make a marine cry.

katy said: Sounds like the fallacy of feminism, that in order for women to be considered equal we must become like men instead of being appreciated equally for who we are and the things we do.

What crazy ass brand of feminism is that? I'm not a member of any sect of feminism that thinks women should get ahead by being men (and don't think many are...)

Never bring up the Austen unless you want to get Paddy all riled up.

Dawson's Creek makes me cringe now. Did I enjoy the daylights out of it? Oh yeah. I also liked Melrose Place and 90210. None of those shows or SATC can tell you how I think. I am not girly, I hate pink, and I would rather shop for things other than shoes. No, I am character from SATC. Nice try dude, but no. Also sensitive men get really annoying, at least to me. Sack up and grow a pair.

That should have been "NOT a character from SATC". Responding in a fury makes me type poorly.

Everybody signs up for an individual cubby on the MurderTank lilianna28. It's pretty much a first-come-first-serve gig, but there are plenty of utility hooks to hang your bag from... As far as the heels go, the MT is outfitted with high-performance rubber compound flooring that is slip, heat, and stain resistant (bloody mary mix is a bitch on the upholstery). You might wanna switch to more sensible shoes if you head toward the back, though - you'd for sure break a heel on the sluice-trap floors. If you step out to the head lobber/pit digger deck, you'll need to put on special rubber boots, 'cause that whole friggin' set-up is cracklin' with electricity...

excellent Skittimus. Sign me up for a covered utility hook, as I'm looking to avoid getting zombie guts on my favorite horribly overpriced yet strangely addictive Bag today.

Can they put crack in fabric? If so, Coach has figured it out, man.

"The Venture Brothers once again decided to go fucking batshit."

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I've seen Seasons 1 and 2 and look forward to this one.

But I fucking forgot about the premiere, I'll have to find it online somewhere.

Can they put crack in fabric? If so, Coach has figured it out, man.
My friend has a similar addiction lilanna28, she has no less than 4 Coach bags and more accessories than I care to count...

and Skitt, sign me up for one o' those utility hooks too, and if you want I got rubber floor samples galore here in the office we can mull over....colors! textures! recycled content! (the MurderTank IS sustainable, right?)
you can have the prettiest blood/bloody mary mix resistant floor around!

damn HTML tags......one of these days I will get even with you, you just wait

Damn straight Bethy. Four bags... wow... uh... yeah that's a lot, right? I mean, you're not counting clutches, or wallets right? Or those fabu key-chains that match... four. Huh. a lot. Yeah. I uh, gotta get something posted on ebay... be back later.

Skittimus:

You forgot to mention the potentially hazardous combination of high heels and consumption of spirits that are over 50% proof. I mean, I realize the Murder Tank isn't subject to OSHA regs or anything, but it's only fair to warn the girl.

oh my lilanna28, I never thought I would find somebody worse than my friend...

how do you manage to save enough money to eat?

(and no, I wasnt counting clutches or wallets or the keychains....she's got plenty of those too. I believe she even has a Coach raincoat...it is a self-admitted sickness of hers)

course, I am not one to talk. My weakness is sketchbooks and art supplies. I cannot walk into an art store and not buy something. I am like a kid in a candy shop in those places...

My weakness is sketchbooks and art supplies. I cannot walk into an art store and not buy something. I am like a kid in a candy shop in those places...

God yes. Pales financially, though, in comparison to my artbook obsession. $150 for limited edition Range Murata artbook? Cheap! $50 for The Beautiful World artbook with $42 dollar shipping charges direct from Japan. Bend me over, air mail, and have at.

Thank god I have managed to rein in my desire for Copic markers, but that day is coming. Oi.

i saw still waiting at a movie preview and justin long is only in it for like 5 minutes, but those 5 minutes are glorious.

"The Venture Brothers once again decided to go fucking batshit."

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I'd say it's a good thing. It jumps right into a "yeah, never mind them over there, OH MY GOD THERE'S SO MUCH CRAZY SHIT YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IN 'TRIAL OF THE MONARCH' (and also here's what was happening off camera in those other episodes!)". It's a direct pickup from the end of "Cremation Creek" with MDrG. The new stories of the family themselves will start next week.

I think The Darkness must have something to do with what's in the library and.....is the void cracking open? That occurred to me a little while ago. Is the void dark? Is that giving both Rose and Daleks a conduit?

Also, I am getting a big crushy kick out of Alex Kingston being in this episode. BUT...in typical Moffat fashion, she's also a great character, and throwing in some new canon while she's at it.

And I do keep forgetting that every paragraph break needs its own >'s

I know you're not alone in the art supplies addiction. I'm glad I can't really draw and know it, I've had art student friends and their supply costs terrified me. "What the hell is this voodoo paper they're making you buy?"

Thank god I have managed to rein in my desire for Copic markers, but that day is coming.

I have alreasy succombed.....my (also new) sketchbook thanked me.

My bank account did not. In fact, we are still in a fight over that...we fight a lot.

But they are oh so nice :)

any supplies (art, architecture, biology/chemistry) are un-proportionatly expensive, but you can't help it. You just have to have it. You are WAY too happy when you finally get it and run off at once to use it.

I have often wondered if it is comparable to a porn addiction...

I have often wondered if it is comparable to a porn addiction...

I'm sorry, did someone mention the Williams-Sonoma catalog?

Mauviel All-Clad copper paaaaans.... *Homer Simpson drool*

Speaking of Sex and the City

(HA!)

Greg Behrendt was once on an episode of Dr. Katz pining away for a four-slice Williams-Sonoma toaster. I believe he's carrying around a picture of it and wants it tattooed on his arm.

Me, I'm hungry for a Kitchen Aid mixer and...a reason to have a Kitchen Aid mixer.

I am like that with bowls twig, mixing bowls, serving bowls, cute little bowls with absolutely no purpose but to look cute

I have more bowls than I will ever use. the Boy has threatened to cut me off and get rid of some of them.

I have threatened to castrate him.

my friend just got one of those mixers at her bridal shower Jay!

I was sitting there thinking if I could fit it in my purse (I could not, those damn things are big!)

Jay, a reason to have a KitchenAid mixer?

Homemade. Buttercream. Frosting.

If so, Coach has figured it out, man

I have 4 bags myself, each lovingly cared for with Coach cleaner and moisturizer and placed in their very own bags for safekeeping. I need a new one.

Kitchen Aid Stand Mixer? I am going to buy one of those if it is only thing I buy for an entire month of my life. I want one, I need one, and dammit they look cool. You don't need a reason for one, especially if it is the chrome or black or red model. Or maybe the blue. Must. Have. NOW.

I'm sorry, where were we?

Bethy: two words COACH OUTLET.

Melody: when the coach lady first "moisturized" my bag, my thought process went: good grief woman, this is sil... ooh, soft! And shiny! Yes please!"

lilanna28, I see your Coach outlet and raise you a Create and Barrel Outlet :p

Kittery, Maine is my financial godsend

I also enjoy the J Crew and Banana Republic Outlets (there is a Coach Outlet there too, I have to admit the bags are awfully pretty, just a bit out of my price range. I was eying a wallet though...unfortunatly the Boy did not pick up on the hint around Christmas time)

Kitchen Aid Stand Mixers are A W E S O M E! The only thing that sucks is you can't find a cover for the goddamed thing that doesn't look dumb as hell. But then again, when you got a Kitchen Aid Stand Mixer, why the hell would you want to cover it up?

I use mine to grind meat and mix drinks...

...thus, my body is riddled with parasites. Drunk parasites, but parasites just the same...

...I leave for an hour and this whole thread has gone off the rails! From feminism and death by bonnets to Coach bags and Kitchen Aid mixers.

Skittimus, you frighten me for so very many reasons.

That having been said, I would like to sign up for my MT cubby, please. But where will Paddy's Pre-Victorian death bonnets be stored?

Mike R., Bethy - Good points. Well said.

Paddy Dog - going to have to disagree with you. One of the main ironies in Emma and, to an extent, S&S, was that both Emma and Elinor, whilst not obviously looking for a man themelves, found true happiness when they finally "hooked-up." It wasn't my intention to draw a direct correlation between SatC and Austen, but to counter the argument that female-driven pieces should be discarded if the protagonists want love, a husband, happ[iness, etc. Don't test me on my English Lit., girl!

Nicole - I'm sorry if you think I was "just stirring up bullshit." I felt I was trying to defend something I really enjoy from unfounded criticism (which, in my book, is totally different from true criticism, with which I have no problem). From your comments, sounds like you need a hug (or at least a good shag).

Paleolithchick - Smug? Pretensious? Better look up the definitions, there, kid. You know, if I didn't know better, I would say that from your comments, some guy really fucked you over badly once. Let out that anger! I actually wish I was there, so you could give me a punch just to make you feel better.

Socalled - I never said SatC was THE ANSWER (all, seriously, read my posts...I never said SatC was the be all fucking end all!!!). I'm not bashing the film's critics. I'm bashing the fact that some HATE SatC (yes, hate, not even just dislike) because they either A. don't like female-centric films or B. think it's shallow and vaccuous. I've read a lot of comments from people who liked it at first then thought it got silly. I disagree, but can respect their view.

I think The Darkness must have something to do with what's in the library and.....is the void cracking open? That occurred to me a little while ago. Is the void dark? Is that giving both Rose and Daleks a conduit?

Jay, I've been trying to figure this out. The Void is dark; it's also known as "The Howling." If the Void is cracking open, then I don't know how they'll stop it, since it closed itself. How has it re-opened? The Daleks were the ones to come through the Void originally, and the Cybermen followed them through. So many fanwanker questions.

From your comments, sounds like you need a hug (or at least a good shag).

Oh, boogs. You're right. The solution to all problems is getting laid. It's also how I plan to conquer global warming and my next door neighbor's dog's incessant barking.

It has nothing to do with the fact that you're annoying as all hell. And yes, you're stirring up shit since you're butting your head against brick walls here, but you refuse to stop.

Not the solution to ALL problems, just to your problem(s).

Just going from debating to defending myself/my opinion and back again. Not trying to change anyone's mind.

OK, sorry, I was trying really hard to not post about SaTC again, but I just can't do it. The only way I can sort-of enjoy the show is if I don't think too hard about it. What makes me kind of hate the show is when women say things like "I'm a Miranda" or "I'm a Carrie". No one is as uncomplicated as the four narrowly-characterized women on that show. Boogs, if you'd like to think we are, you're wrong.
Plus, the show was created/written/conceived by a man. I know, I know it was based on a book written by a woman, and maybe if I read that book I would find characters with the same depth of the characters in the show. But I haven't - and, even if that were true, it would only invalidate the Michael Patrick King-influence point. Otherwise, the stuff about women being a great deal more complex than what is presented in SaTC stands. I'm a woman. I know more about it than you.

OK, sorry to fan the flame, but I needed to get that out.

Can I... will I... grrr.. gash... hold on.

removes plastic vacu-seal from cubby, reaches in, strokes the nice coach bag, pretty, pretty, yes, be calm, nice bag. hangs it back up on the MurderTank™ hook. Takes a shot of bourbon from the bar, rethinks the shot and takes the whole damn bottle and returns to computer

Right. Skittimus? Can we engage this bad boy with boog's coordinates via the ip address tracking device? Because ain't NO BODY gonna

1) pretend he can take PaddyDog! to task on English Lit

2) tell my gal Nicole she needs to get LAID (whilst!) WHILST claiming to be all about SaTC for its feminist qualities

3) call Paleolithchick a KID and pretend not to be SMUG

4) tell socalled to "go back and read his posts" (serious sign of douchbaggery)

AND live to post another day. Though we can't turn him into a zombie, that would be WAAAAAY to much to handle, a SaTC watching "girl please" snappin', I'm pretendin' to be all with the Grrrls! Zombie. Can you imagine?

I can leave a spare set of keys in one of them magnet thingies, lilianna28, but I'm not sure how good the GPS unit is functioning right now... Minimus glopped some friggin' pizza-roll goo on/in it when he drove me home the other night. That's what you get when you have your conjoiner play sober-cab, I guess.

I'm hesitant to put in a douchebagdar, as it would more than likely overload... I gave it a shot with a stupidity-meter a while back and within like, five minutes that samanabitch was billowing smoke...

So yeah, go ahead and take it, but remember what I said about high heels on the sluice trap. And buckle up!

Now you all see why I got so tired of fighting with boogs this morning when I was all by my lonesome. boogs seems to just want to hate us all, and no matter how we argue with him, we're all still nothing more than a bunch of spiteful, smug, ignorant, penis-loving, woman-hating conformists.

And obviously he's right. Anyone who's actually read any of this site beyond the one article they want to argue with can plainly see we all hate thinking for ourselves and would prefer to go out and beat women back down where they belong. Even the women here hate themselves. Obviously - otherwise they'd all be fawning over the movie.

How stupid we all are. Thanks for the tip boogs!

So many fanwanker questions.

Man, "Silence in the Library" got very Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey RAMIFICATIONS AND PORTENT. "Forest of the Dead" should be quite interesting.

SaTC has no insight to the female psyche. Please stop pretending it does.

Just because something stars women or has a plot that revolves around them, does not mean it represents women - in any capacity! SaTC represents the views of four CHARACTERS, who, regardless of whether they were written by a hand attached to a penis or a vagina, still only represent THOSE CHARACTERS, and not an entire gender, or even a portion of a gender.

Whenever someone suggests that I have ANYTHING in common with the likes of SaTC, save for actually having a vagina, I want to scream. I, straight, married, female, 26, actress, nonprofit fundraiser, anti-hipster, pro-They Might Be Giants, self-identified-feminist, United Church of Christ member, and lover of any drink involving strong bourbon, have more in common with the most sexist, degenerate man-child Seth Rogen could ever conceive that I ever will with Carrie-Fucking-Bradshaw.

And, boogs, as someone who has made acting her profession and life's passion, I can tell you that it IS possible to hate SaTC for BOTH its irritating characters AND it's goddawful excuse for acting.

Massively Off Topic, but On Topic with some of the posts: Hey Dustin, any chances of a Doctor Who review? I think that what this board really needs, right now, is a Doctor.

Mike, we tend to just talk about the show anyway, but it can't hurt to add another voice asking for a room of one's own.

Here's what I'd like:

1) A Pajiba review of "You Don't Mess with the Zohan" (Opening Friday June 6th at a theater near you !!)

b) The reviewer refers to the movie as a "typical dumb guys' movie".

Finally - A Pajiba flame war involving male Pajibites - Pajibians - whatever - who are really insulted that anyone would suggest that they like Adam Sandler.

Make it so!

Yes. I am off work on Friday.

Any piece of trash who insists that Sex and the City is some Rosetta Stone to the female mind is absolutely full of smoking shit. The only way with which this could possibly be said with a straight face is if said female was raised to be an embarrassingly bland & stereotypical thing, willing to sign up for any gender-specific foible that gains them access to a preassembled group of pussy-owning pals.

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that, devoid of socially-impressed traits, boys and girls are pretty much the same. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll get along in the rational world.

Sex and the City sucks shit through a straw.

Try saying it five times, fast.

Then and only then will you understand.

I agree with the spambot.

RE:PaleoLithChick's comment - "We only do smug pretension ironically here."

That should totally go on the Pajiba T-shirts.

Aw, stop taking away the spambot comments! That's smug and pretentious!

I wish the Doctor could go back, use the sonic screwdriver on the douche who first dreamed up SatC and save us a lot of trouble.

I love me some DW. Did anyone else see the 1 second or so flash on the screen in the Tardis before Donna noticed the Doctor? It looked like Rose! Or maybe his daughter? in The Doctor's Daughter this week. I hate being behind on these here in the States!!!

dammitjanet: Yep, that was Rose alright. I've had that on my mind since watching the episode myself a few weeks back - because however much I love Doctor Who, Billie Piper scares me. It's that mouth. She looks as though she should be swimming around near an ocean bed, gulping down entire schoals of plankton.

boogs Why laws yes, you're right! No way I could think the way I think or say the things I say for any reason other than a MAN doing me wrong. Not if I possess a set of ovaries! We women are thoroughly defined by our past relationships -- they are the building blocks of our very personalities. Nothing else really makes an impact on us. We are merely blank slates, shaped by the love of a good man or the stompings of a bad one.

PS I looked up smug and pretentious like you suggested. The greatest revelation was that your profile really won't be that adversely affected by high end, lovingly cobbled footwear being shoved up your nose. Loved your pic next to the "condescension" entry, though! Tres metro.

PPS Did you see how (among other very valid listed points) lilianna28 intimated that calling me "kid" was kind of smugly offensive? It was. You aren't "Mr. Big", pal. And trying to ape his schtick is sad. If anything else, the reaction you seem to provoke kind of indicates that all of those deep and vaunted insights SaTC have granted you into the female psyche are... kind of BS. The women here don't seem to like you very much, dude.

And an "awww, thanks" to MG, Bethy, and katy -- normally when I go off on a rant, it triggers uncomfortable silences instead of kudos.

Also, Bethy, have you ever used Prismacolors? I'm curious about how Copics compare to 'em...

I hate being behind on these here in the States!!!

You don't have to be, janet.

Moo hoo ha ha!

(and again, "Silence In The Library" is a corker, as they say)

(and for extra trivia, the "Doctor's Daughter" is Peter Davison's daughter)

(Did Sci-Fi show the "Time Crash" short?)

Wow...just wow.

I've been a lurker on Pajiba for a couple of years now and have always enjoyed the "road not taken" view to pop culture that the writers and commentators have taken. But this whole SaTC "argument" just made me nauseous.

I completely concede that Boogs may not have argued his points as eloquently as he could, but I'm immensely disappointed by the number of people who repeatedly jumped all over *anything and everything* he said. From his belief that SaTC provided viewpoints into the female psyche to his use of the word "kid" - many of you were just looking for a reason to criticize his ass. That's no better than then people who blindly attribute a SaTC character to their own persona and get up in arms when someone says they don't enjoy the show.

This could have been a really awesome discussion on how different people view the show and how it does (or does not) impact their worldview. But what this turned into was a schoolyard fight were the anti-SaTC (read: cool) kids cornered the non cool kid and hurled rocks (read: increasingly hostile posts) at him.

I certainly understood that there was going to be backlash against the show/movie, but this seems like an opportunity for people to proclaim that "I'm so cool because I hate the show and I'm going to shit all over someone if they dare come here to claim the show has literary aspirations."

Maybe the show did - maybe it didn't. That depends on the individual who views it. But that person is certainly entitled to his or her opinion. They certainly don't deserve to be vilified for believing it.

It seemed to be the Boogs was at least *trying* to have debate a illuminate that. So much for that, eh?

Just...gross.

PUH-leeze Seb. Get over yourself. Boogs was smug and deliberately provocative in his douchery.

And there isn't much to "debate" about whether SaTC accurately give a "glimpse into the female psyche"- IT DOESN'T. Guess what, babe! THERE IS NO 'FEMALE PSYCHE'! Shocking, I know. "Females" are human beings, different in many ways- our ovaries do not unite us, our periods do not unite us, our tits do not untie us, we do not think the same, eat the same, fuck the same and act the same. You cannot get a "glimpse" of something that doesn't exist by watching a shitty tv show. It's like saying "I watched the Soprano's and now I have a glimpse into the Italian Psyche!"

So listen up, buck-o. I'm not "cool" because I didn't like SaTC and I could give two shits if the people on this blog or any blog think I am (I LIKED HIGHLANDER DAMN IT). I am a female, I am a feminist and the shit boogs was spouting was embarrassing and ignorant, and we chose to address it with snark and MurderTanks™ because that's how some of us roll. I'd rather snark him to death than point out his PoV is pretty fricking sexist and stupid, but hey, this thread's almost dead so I got no beef sayin' it now.

So yeah. Wow. And Gross. And everything.

No dude. I just really don't like being called "kid." Or condescension. Unless it's really funny, and then I'm okay with it.

It wasn't funny.

And if I recall correctly, a number of us actually said that we liked the show, or didn't have a problem with it... just with what duder was saying and how he was saying it.

God, no reading comprehension is just so... icky.

My reading comprehension levels are just fine - but thanks for the commentary. *rolls eyes* Snide sarcasm still doesn't change the fact that - regarding your approach - you were just as wrong as Boogs was PaleoLithchick and lilianna28.

And since we are on the topic of reading comprehension - the both of you should take the time to re-read my post. What I said was that however wrongheaded he was - Boogs is entitled to his opinion. What I found gross was the manner of how y'all disagreed with him. And if I recall, his snotty responses seem to have crept in after certain persons took it upon themselves to flagrantly insult him - all while disguising it as "passionate rebuttals".

The bottom line is that it was not at all constructive. So you hit the mark but the execution is sloppy. He may have been wrong with what he said - but your argument would have been much stronger if it had not been so...mean-spirited.

Being a female, Pajiba-writin, Highlander-lovin fan doesn't hide the fact that there was some borderline bullying going on. Those "badges of honor" doesn't give you the right to wholesale attack on someone.

So *what* if someone thinks the movie/show gave them insight into the female psyche? Why does what he said bother you so much if he's as "douchey" as you claim? You have no idea what's he's like in his day-to-day, so how do you know if it is or isn't a good thing?

I reiterate that your comments completely read as y totally excoriating the first person who expressed liking the show. So what that, (in your eyes), he's a plebian and not a pajiban? Why the vitriol?

What's really the shame is that it's not that I disagreed at all with what either of you were getting it - but the manner in how you got to that final statement is what spoiled it for me.

I expect more of Pajibans. I come here to escape from the flametastic behavior that pervades other sites. And what I read was not Pajiba-worthy rebuttals. And since you were both quick to point on that you're Pajibans through-and-through - I'm gonna hold you to that claim.

And since I spoke up for Boogs, I'm gonna display my badges to avoid being called a sexist this-or-that: comic-book reading, video-game nerdin, brown-skinned queer humanist with an encyclopedic knowledge of all things Buffy - who also happens to enjoy escaping into fantasy world where fierce women can enjoy a $500 shoe on a writer's salary.

So. If this is now my turn to be attacked - feel free

Dude, you're either desperate to get the last word in (if so, feel free to post right after me, I can only devote so much time to checking a dead thread), or you're really longing for some attention (which I have now given you -- congratulations!).

By the way -- you haven't said anything sexist. You've just been kind of a prat. So that whole badge display thing is kind of weird. But in keeping with being a prat. (There. You've been "attacked." So I now also give you the gift of feeling morally superior. You're welcome.)