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I love you D.

If Rush Limbaugh were here he'd give you a medal for accuracy and a blowjob for fun.

Rush Limbaugh is a gay stereotype.

Heeee! Dustin, we always knew you you were a whoopsie.

I haven't seen any of these, I'm happy to say. I did see "La Cage aux Folles" and it's sequels though. (I was a kid, they were on TV)

What the fuck is Stardust anyway? It looks pure gash.

Is Robert DeNiro supposed to be gay? I thought his character was just a cross dresser. I'm surprised you stopped at five, there are so many more.

Stardust is wonderful. And De Niro as the whoopsie pirate captain is hilarious. ARRRRRRR!

No, not all cross-dressers are gay...only the GOOD ones are.

I just feel compelled to check in with my love for Stardust, and for Captain Shakespeare.

Most cross dressers fancy women. An executive transvestite told me that.

So if I don't fit the gay stereotype, that makes me gay? I'm so confused.

What about "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry". That fucking film is as accurate and sensitive to homosexuals as "Birth of a Nation" is to African Americans. Jesus Christ we will be explaining that mess for generations to come.

so...I read this turn-of-the century french novel which I'm not gonna name 'cause I really really need to stop name-dropping it, but homosexuality is a major theme, and there are prancing queens all over the place. There's a gay Baron who's technically in the closet, but he's so stereotypically gay that everyone knows he likes the boys. I have awful gaydar and even I could tell the guy was gay two volumes before it was actually revealed. (He's easily the greatest character ever written, by the way. Words cannot begin to express my love for the Baron de Charlus.) Anyway, I was kind of amazed at just how old these stereotypes were. Either there's some truth to them or gay men were pigeonholed as fabulous, catty, interior decorating, high-voiced drama queens way earlier than I would have thought.

I suppose I should clarify that said novel was written at the turn of the last century, didn't just take place in it.

I know it's wrong, but damnit, I love The Birdcage. Everyone is just too good in it, including Hank Azaria.

Here's one that confuses me, though. In that violent tire dump that was The Stepford Wives, a stereotypical gay man gets "changed" and starts acting like any other guy, although he's still gay. I didn't know whether to be offended that he wasn't a stereotype anymore, or feel bad for him because they changed who he was.

Or I could be reading too much into it. I mean, the movie was real shit. Literally. Someone sat down and shat that out for us.

Maybe it's sort of like a vicious cycle, gay newbies see these stereotypes and think they have to start picking out curtain patterns once they realize they're gay?

But yeah, only gay guy I knew didn't act like the stereotype much. The only time he was really blatant about it was when he would call the hot TAs over to help him with his code (since they had to bend over to look at the monitor), even though he was easily the smartest person in the class.

As his female partner in crime, I found this to be relevant to my interests... mmm... good times.

I have to agree with the Stardust love. I don't know how they managed to have the trailers and clips all be so unflattering to what is really a lovely fun movie. Speaking of movies I need to go buy, thanks for the reminder!

And thank you for reminding me of Hank Azaria in The Birdcage. Agador was the best part of that movie by about eight million miles.

"Maybe it's sort of like a vicious cycle, gay newbies see these stereotypes and think they have to start picking out curtain patterns once they realize they're gay?"

Posted by: Vi at July 14, 2009 6:06 PM

Ok, now I'm picturing new gay guys doing this as "veteran" gay guys go "n00bs"

Love the descriptions there Dustin. Very well spoken.

I have a dear, sweet 13 year old cousin who is quite possibly the walking embodiment of every 'fictional' stereotype up there.
The...actual fictional ones...not yours...any way, he's effenminate, she shrieks, he prances, he calls things fabulous...i dont know as yet if he prances around in womens clothes, but he does act, a lot, and i'd not be surprised if he'd played the odd queen.

As for ruling the whole kingdom, the little bitch would have beaten the Spartans while napping through his manicure.

Okay, I know I really shouldn't take most of this seriously, but the one on the list that really pisses me off is Angel from Rent. Not because the stereotype is off, but because Angel isn't a gay man, she's a street queen, created effectively in the image of Sylvia "Ray" Rivera, an activist and street queen who took part in the 1969 Stonewall riots.

I'm going to take my queer-activist self and sit in the corner and rant about heteronormaitivity now...

well, the stereotypes are there, everywhere, and a lot of the times, gay men don't want to own up to that fact. i would imagine it's hard enough dealing with family and work and neighbors and community when you don't have the extra advantage of having them either silently or gaybashedly thinking you're a deviant.
i've been estranged from my family for 2 decades now, and truthfully it's a difficult life. but that isn't to say i haven't made my own way, found my happinesses (hapinii?), and made a lasting mark on those i've met and have *made* family. i have.
early on, i sought out my own kind and now have a history of having gay-ghettoized myself. i'm sure i've had my shining screaming moments (why i don't have more oscars on my mantle i still don't know) but even though i've not hidden the fact that i'm gay, i'm frequently mistaken for straight: girls hit on me (we lovingly refer to them as 'dumb skanks'), people assume i have a wife/girlfriend, or better yet, that revelationy glaze people get following a comment about my boyfriend.

but, the theory of the vicious *insert catfight noises* cycle is probably more than a little true. i remember coming out and making new gay friends and being so flip and flawless. i notice a great deal of these behaviors in younger gay men. i don't fault them for it. it's a rite of passage to some.
if one grows out of a behavior in learning about themselves, fine. you know who you are.
if one does not and that behavior becomes a part of them, fine. it's good to have you too.
without being too psych major about it, doesn't everyone go through similar environment/behavioral developments?

Awww--Funny!

Did you watch Make Em Laugh last night, DR? I honestly don't know what everyone is on about.

i said "bordering on offensive" and i got the humor. as a gay man living with HIV, i *am* catagorized and can be as uppity as i want. and i wasn't being. i was just offering my two-cents. take it or leave it, but if you take it, shove it.

oh, just stop it now You!
my original post wasn't scathing, just meh-ing.
the long post was only a meandering thought, just expressing because someone was all, gp's right, we should burn the breeders while they sleep, or something.
and people were being offendedish and i know dustin's just tryin to drum up ratings, so i was being sorta yeah, gay stereotypes suck, but then again most stereotyping sucks because most times they're a little true.
you know i'm not (unusually) uppity, you just want to be petted. and i'm down for that.

who wants a stereotype? who wants it? *dangles* who's got a big penis in his big strong pimp-hand, who?

Maybe it's sort of like a vicious cycle, gay newbies see these stereotypes and think they have to start picking out curtain patterns once they realize they're gay?

Depressingly true in some ways. I joined my college LGBT early on and spent most of my first year quite active in it, and kept dipping in and out over the next three years. Watching the transformation in some of the guys as they morphed their personalities to fit in with the 'scene' was just kinda tragic. Of all the stereotypes, though, I think the one that has caused most direct annoyance to me is that of the bitchy-yet-hilarious gay man, always ready with a funny little put-down or bon mot that's harsh, yet so witty that you can't help but laugh and like them. The problem? 95% of people are about as witty as my ass, and instead take that stereotype to mean that it's OK to be outright fucking rude to someone as long as you call them "honey" and are sipping a cosmopolitan while you do it. Asshats.

Love this list though, despite my barely-repressed rage over other things. Kudos!

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This post was so clearly written by some straight dude. All gays know pirates are SO 3 years ago. Get with it.

S. Pisaster

If you love Baron de C, I can't recommend Braddon's Lady Audley's Secret enough (Victorian novel), because Robert Audley is another of those "greatest character ever written" homosexual/homosocial types whose wit and fabulousness just don't quit. Braddon's no Proust, but (if you haven't already) do yourself the favour anyway. RA isn't quite as obvious, but his dedication to and descriptions of another male character go way beyond 19th century "convention"...and he's a rapier in spats.

One last thing: 20 years ago, after a friend came out, I guess he was trying to "educate" us straights about the "differences in culture" because we were so ignorant of "The Gays" so he would say things like: "Well, my people do this" or "My people say that."

And I said, "Clay, you did not just land on this planet from Alpha Centauri. You're just a dude who likes dick, so get over yourself already."

The Onion nails it:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/newly_out_gay_man_overdoing_it

AGADOR..AGADOR SPARTACUS! cant stop loving birdcage the dinner scene is too fun.

Stardust is WHAT? ... oh dear, I think you've jumped the shark.

captain shakespeare is a deadly pirate that happens to be gay?
that is missing the point entirely. he's NOT a deadly pirate, that is only his REPUTATION.

my godto-p, you folks are making me defend that woopsie!

Sadly for a long time I was only in support of gay people in theory, as I had never felt like I met a real gay person.

No I'm not from some super conservative suburbia I'm straight out of NYC, my entire life. But, in highschool, the only gay people I had ever met really never lead me to believe they should be counted. They all fell into one of the following categories.

Girls who decided either that they were pissed off in their last relationship and start claiming to be a lesbian as their newest way of throwing a tantrum, or getting more boys to look at them

Girls who went around claiming to be bi(which, although it may seem closeminded of me I'm not particularly sure I believe/understand), so that they can basically fool around with girls and boys

Girls and Guys who were also claiming to be bi, but seemed less like they really knew anything about where they were, seemed legitametly confused, sad when they got strung around by the previous group. but in the end most of these guys ended up straight.

Guys who were legitametly gay but were so annoying and despicable and adhering to most of the gay stereotypes portrayed in media that they could be compared infavorably to perez hilton.

then there was a special case of one of my closest and smartest but extremely immature friends (skipped ahead two grades) who was a tried and true, sworn lesbian who spent one of her years in a monogamous relationship with her tried nad true gay boyfriend.

but now having spent two years in college and going on to my third I have since met gay and lesbian people who don't inspire anger or dissapointment in me.

Maybe I'm not qualified to judge, being straight and all.

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