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By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (131)



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It’s an iron law of film and literature: the book is always better than the movie. Some of it is just the issue of differing mediums. Books work differently than movies as a medium, and so brilliant stories told in print do not necessarily translate into films of the same level of quality as the book. The Mona Lisa wouldn’t make a good movie either. But due to to the laws of the universe hating us, the most brilliant novels also tend to be those with the highest probability of being adapted. This also brings up the problem of getting lightning to strike twice. If genius is appropriately rare, then the odds of another suitable genius being in charge of the adaptation of a worthy work are appropriately diminished.

But every once and a while, in some tiny percentage of adaptations, a film doesn’t just stay true to the book, but manages to surpass it. It’s not that these films are perfectly loyal to the source material or based on particularly “filmable” novels. It’s that these films tease out the core of the story, the little ember at its heart and fan it into a blaze.

A couple parameters before the list. First, this isn’t just films that were better than the books upon which they were based, else it would be chock full of dreck like Twilight and The DaVinci Code, which are by definition better than their respective books because at least at two hours they waste a lot less of your time. Second, The Lord of the Rings is not on here even though it is on many other lists similar in structure but poorer in thought. That is for a very simple reason. The books are vastly superior to the hack and slash fantasy battle porn that Peter Jackson ripped squalling from the tender womb of Tolkein’s prose. They are entertaining spectacle, but they bloody well missed the entire point of the novels. Some of the films below do exactly that, but the difference is that they improved upon a flawed execution, rather than dumbing down a nuanced one.

Children of Men

P.D. James has made a career of detective fiction and so the dystopian Children of Men came careening into literature somewhat out of left field. The book had moments of brilliance, and a great deal of complexity that Cauron’s film completely stripped out, but a lot of the complexity distracted from the central appeal of the story rather than adding further dimensions to it. There was a lot more plot, but a lot less story. Cauron boiled off the superfluities, leaving behind the iron center of the tale. Switching gears from telling to showing, Cauron set up the simple premise and allowed the dystopia to be emergent rather than constructed wholesale. The result is one of the most soul burning revelations of hope sprung from hopelessness ever filmed.

Field of Dreams

Field of Dreams is based on the novel Shoeless Joe by W. P. Kinsella, and follows precisely the same pattern as Children of Men. The novel has a great deal more complexity, cramming into the less than 300-page length a twin brother and the notion that every single game of the 1918 season is being replayed day by day on the field, with the exact same results happening in the box scores. The film strips all of that out, boiling it down to the simple but powerful nostalgia that bridges generations.

The Princess Bride

This is a difficult one to add on to the list because the film almost perfectly mimics the novel in every way. The dialogue, the memorable scenes, the descriptive passages, all are mined wholesale by the film. In fact, there are extraordinarily few scenes from the novel that didn’t make it unchanged into the film. Some are brilliant; the full story of Inigo’s father’s forging of the sword and Inigo’s years of wandering are among the best passages of the novel, but could only have worked in a the film as an extended flashback sequence. On the other hand, the lengthy descent of Inigo and Fezzick into the zoo of death was rightly excised. So where does it lose its way? Strangely, it’s when the novel gets too tongue in cheek that it loses the tone that the film maintains perfectly. The genius of the film The Princess Bride is that while the characters are constantly witty and hilarious, they never cross the line of winking at the camera. The poignancy derives from the dichotomy of absurdity in parallel with the deadly serious. And at points the novel muddies those lines to its detriment.

Blade Runner

Ridley Scott’s take on Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? flips the simplification of books for film onto its head. The novel is brilliant, no doubt about it, but it also has a shallowness of description and plot that are built into three dimensions by the film. The novel presents an interesting thought experiment of where the line is between man and machine, settling on that troubling distinction of empathy. The film turns that thought experiment into a fully realized world, so unique that when William Gibson saw it in theaters, a third of the way through writing Neuromancer, he almost gave up because the images in his head were what was on the screen. Philip K. Dick said of the film that “after I finished reading the screenplay, I got the novel out and looked through it. The two reinforce each other, so that someone who started with the novel would enjoy the movie and someone who started with the movie would enjoy the novel.”

Fight Club

Palahniuk’s book is almost brilliant, but he pulls back at the end at the exact point that Fincher shoves all of his chips into the middle of the table. Palahniuk has the explosions fail, and has the narrator committed to a mental asylum after shooting himself, trying to keep Tyler Durden from reemerging despite the encouragement of everyone around him. This ultimately makes the novel pointless because it pulls back from having actually accomplished anything, it hinges on the narrator deciding that it all was a bad idea. Contrast that with Fincher’s ending where the buildings crumble to dust and the personalities of narrator and Tyler merge and intertwine. A story of the reconciliation of modern man and his primitive rage that ends with modern man suppressing his furious doppleganger is a frustrating exercise in spinning wheels in the mud. But just that tiny tweak of the modern and primitive joining, synthesizing into something completely new is the touch that puts the film head and shoulders above the novel. A lot of film reviewers hated the film, I remember Ebert in particular complained exactly about the ending, insisting that it was flawed because it didn’t apologize and lead to the narrator seeing the error of his ways. That’s exactly why the film hit some of us like an atomic blast of fresh dissidence.

The Passion of the Christ

What’s the point of making a list if you don’t try to start a holy war while you do it?


Steven Lloyd Wilson is a hopeless romantic and the last scion of Norse warriors and the forbidden elder gods. His novel, ramblings, and assorted fictions coalesce at www.burningviolin.com. You can email him here.









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Comments

Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile

Silence of the Lambs

Posted by: Neodiogenes at May 12, 2010 3:04 PM

To Live and Die in LA. The film was not only better, but much better than the book. Especially the ending!!

Posted by: Daniel at May 12, 2010 3:06 PM

Otherwise, sure -- except for the last one on the list, for which you will surely burn in Hell.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at May 12, 2010 3:06 PM

Crash. You know which one.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at May 12, 2010 3:07 PM

The Namesake. Beautiful prose and lyrical, but it was so bleak. It didn't feel like any of the characters had any real happiness until the end. The few joyful moments are all laced with tragedy and sadness.

Posted by: Brie at May 12, 2010 3:08 PM

I thought "Crash" was the most boring "shocking" movie I've ever seen, actually.

Posted by: Jay at May 12, 2010 3:10 PM

I would have to say Fried Green Tomatoes. And I totally agree with everything you said about The Princess Bride.

Posted by: Nimue at May 12, 2010 3:11 PM

The Princess Bride (the novel) was actually based on The Princess Bride (the movie). The latter preceded the former. That's why so many scenes from the film are in the book. The whole thing was a bit of a stunt. (It's true! I swear!)

Posted by: Bailey at May 12, 2010 3:12 PM

@Jay: That doesn't mean that it wasn't better than the novel.

Posted by: Other Jay at May 12, 2010 3:13 PM

Second, The Lord of the Rings is not on here even though it is on many other lists similar in structure but poorer in thought. That is for a very simple reason. The books are vastly superior to the hack and slash fantasy battle porn that Peter Jackson ripped squalling from the tender womb of Tolkein’s prose.

Yeah, this is one point where we are going to have to agree to disagree. I am a huge geek. I've been playing role-playing games since I was 6 years old (30 years now) and, maybe because I didn't fully read the LOTR books until I was in my late 20's, but I just never liked them all that much. I totally appreciate everything they did in essentially creating the genre that I love and adore, but I find the movies to be so much more better than the books.

Perhaps I, too, "bloody well missed the entire point of the novels."

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 12, 2010 3:17 PM

Thank you for putting Fight Club on here, despite the rage it might cause the "underground" emo novelist sect. I was vastly disappointed by that book, not entirely but somewhat because of Palahniuk's broken prose, but most severely because of the ending, which wasted a compelling premise. It basically turned Tyler Durden into a modern-day Guy Fox, failure and all, but without the historical significance or the socio-political justification.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 12, 2010 3:18 PM

Actually, I would argue that The Green Mile in book form was every bit as good as the movie. I mean, I liked the movie and it did a wonderful job adapting the book to screen, but I'm not sure it added anything.

Crash, if you're referring to the book where people get turned on by car crashes, was, without question, one of the most confusing and appalling books I've ever read--and I read a lot of gross and appalling books. It was assigned to me my freshman year of college, and I wound up reading it at the same time I had to read this book for another class that featured graphic anal sex scenes. Coming from a somewhat conservative high school, where reading Catcher in the Rye was considered "outlandish," getting assigned those two books within my first few weeks of college kind of gave me literary whiplash.

Posted by: Lindsay at May 12, 2010 3:18 PM

The Godfather anyone?

Posted by: Dangerous Dave at May 12, 2010 3:19 PM

The Passion of the Christ. Steven Lloyd Wilson, you're officially my 43rd most favourite person alive. I can't say why because I am still hoping to go to heaven one day.

Posted by: SB at May 12, 2010 3:19 PM

I disagree that the ending of the book Fight Club was weak. It was much more about ideas, and consequently I did not need a literal revolution to be satisfied. A world where the bombs do not go off is the world that the readers inhabit, and leaving us with that more relatable setting to ponder the merits of Tyler Durden's philosophy in it is just as effective. I did enjoy the movie's take on it as well, but I didn't find it to be superior. (Also, the Raymond K. Hessel scene in the movie was a major deficiency. "Run, Forrest, run," indeed. Read that chapter in the book and tell me that it's anywhere close tonally to what Palahniuk wrote.)

I would not say that Trainspotting the movie is superior, as both the film and the much denser book are two of my favorites. However, I do think it is a very worthy adaptation and just as excellent within its medium.

I agree that The Princess Bride is superior as a movie, even though the book is great too. It's the extra value of those acting performances that make it transcendent.

How about The Godfather? I never did read the book, but the movie is tough to beat.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 3:21 PM

P.S. Luckily Mel Gibson doesn't read Pajiba.

Posted by: SB at May 12, 2010 3:24 PM

First rule of List Club: You do not talk about Fight Club being better as a movie than a book.

Second rule of List Club: You do NOT talk about Fight Club being better as a movie than a book.

The movie ending actually sucked, imho. The whole focus of the story was much more on how you deal with this shitty world, like, inside your own head. It was not about blowing up buildings.

Posted by: Kabada at May 12, 2010 3:24 PM

Jaws
My favorite movie of all time and it improved upon the book dramatically.

I concur with Silence of the Lambs. The movie is far better. Also, I've never thought the ending to Fight Club was real. I've always seen it as a fantasy as the narrator lay dying. Note how he can barely talk and blood is gushing out of his throat. At least until he takes Marla's hand and says "You met me at a really strange time." in a perfectly normal voice and then the buildings blow up.

And yes, the movie IS better than the book.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 12, 2010 3:25 PM

Bailey >> I don't think you're correct about that. What's your source? Per Wikipedia, the novel was published in 1973.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 3:26 PM


Sense and Sensibility. Ang Lee and Emma Thompson both did amazing things with Austen's work.

Posted by: Amberlark at May 12, 2010 3:28 PM

Bailey,

Um, what? Unless the publication date was changed after the movie, the book was written in 1973. Well before 1987, when the movie was produced. This word "before" - I do not think it means what you think it means.... ;)

And while I love everything about the film, I could not disagree more. The novel Princess Bride is awesome in every possible way. It's totally unproduceable as a film as-is, and the changes they made were absolutely right for the screen, but I wouldn't change a word of the novel. It's pure reading bliss.

Posted by: Tammy at May 12, 2010 3:32 PM

TylerDFC >> Although I never read the book, good call on Jaws. That movie is perfection.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 3:34 PM

The Prestige. The book is somehow even weirder than the movie, and has a kind of insufferable modern day framing device. I much prefer the Nolans' eerie take on the material. They managed to take the best themes from the novel, and even bring up their own.

I also prefer the 1999 version of Mansfield Park. I'm an Austen fan, but that book is dull and forgettable. I love that they made it sexy and brought out themes that were alluded to in the novel, like making a correlation between the slavery in the West Indies (not really mentioned at all in the book) and Fanny's situation Bertrams' house. I figure you should go all out if you want to diverge, and Patricia Rozema did.

Posted by: kelsy at May 12, 2010 3:38 PM

Lindsay, true ... but I felt the Green Mile movie edged the book if only by the skin of Michael Clarke Duncan's performance. It's one of the few Stephen King stories successfully translated to the big screen.

Anyway the rules don't say the movie has to be significantly better. Just better.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at May 12, 2010 3:38 PM

"What’s the point of making a list if you don’t try to start a holy war while you do it?"

possibly the best fucking thing ever written on Pajiba.

Whats the point indeed?

Posted by: Nadine at May 12, 2010 3:39 PM

American Psycho

Posted by: southwer at May 12, 2010 3:40 PM

I agree with Fried Green Tomatoes, that book was extremely disappointing after loving the film. But then I find if I have really enjoyed a film and then read the book, the book can't really measure up. Sort of the same with Sense and Sensibility, I am on a break from that book, having picked it up for the first time recently. God it's slow. Is this really the same writer as Pride and Prejudice??

I'm sure there are a few more where I like the film better, but as usual I can't think of them right now.

Posted by: Carrie at May 12, 2010 3:40 PM

Shit yeah. Add The Godfather to the list. I knew there was something important that I missed.

What a miserable book it is, pure supermarket paperback trash -- but hand it to Coppola and Brando and the rest and you get a classic.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at May 12, 2010 3:42 PM

I'm going to go with "The Bridges of Madison County" on this one. The book? Utter tripe. The movie? Perhaps still tripe, but well-acted and somewhat moving tripe.

"It's one of the few Stephen King stories successfully translated to the big screen."

Okay, I know I have this beef all the time, but I think a. that Stephen King is a great writer and b. that many of his books/novellas have translated well to the screen: The Shining, Misery, Shawshank Redemption, Stand by Me, and Carrie are all excellent adaptations (though I know King doesn't like The Shining). As for the movie "Shawshank Redemption" outshining the novella, I've got to disagree. I think they're equally fabulous.

Posted by: samantha t at May 12, 2010 3:46 PM

Anyone who thinks "The Postman" is a bad movie never read the source material. However bad the movie was, it was the only decent story to be culled from a tedious, insulting pile of fail.

Posted by: twig at May 12, 2010 3:49 PM

You know, I actually agree with you about Princess Bride. Unfortunately, for everything else on this list, I've either only seen the movie, or only read the book.

Posted by: dsbs at May 12, 2010 3:51 PM

Stand By Me is another King one that I enjoyed more as the film than the novella.

My boyfriend suggests Jurassic Park.

Posted by: Carrie at May 12, 2010 3:52 PM

Dangerous Dave beat me to The Godfather. Definitely better than the book.

And I don't care that you disqualified the piss poor novel into slightly less piss poor movie adaptation, I still have to nominate Heat. Calm down! Not the Michael Mann movie but the earlier Burt Reynolds atrocity. God that movie was bad. But the book was sooo much worse. Really. *shudders*

Posted by: ed newman at May 12, 2010 3:53 PM

The Shining.

Posted by: MillyQPublic at May 12, 2010 3:54 PM

Hell yes whoever said "The Prestige". I enjoyed the book, but the movie was a lot better.

Jurassic Park is far superior as a book. I love the movie, but the book is smarter, has more action, and is a lot harder edged. No Crichton book has been made into a better movie. The only one that came close was Disclosure. Congo, Sphere, and Timeline should be taught in film schools to teach the aspiring screenwriters how NOT to adapt a book.

And a resounding ABSOLUTELY on "The Godfather".

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 12, 2010 4:00 PM

Speaking of King, What about "The Mist"? If I recall, the story ended with them driving off into the mist and you didn't really know what happened. In the movie, if you saw it, you know the ending, which frankly shocked the hell out of me that a mainstream movie would go there. I thought that was a much more satisfying, (yet horrifying) end to the story.

Posted by: JFD at May 12, 2010 4:10 PM

While I will agree that the movie Jaws is better than the book I will do so only because shark attacks are meant to be seen, not read. Beyond that I have always really liked the book because it gives the characters some more meat on their bones...um as in backstory and such, not like literal...which would also be handy in a shark attack story/movie...I guess.

Posted by: JenVegas at May 12, 2010 4:10 PM

The Godfather is the first one I always think of when people ask me this. The novel had the great story but the writing was pretty dull, and the movie is just spectacular.

Sense and Sensibility is another one. It was never my favorite Austen, but it's one of my favorite movies.

And hell yes on Jurassic Park. That book SUCKED.

And for "Movies that are AS great as the books": Gone With the Wind (the movie actually idealizes the South a lot less).

Posted by: figgy at May 12, 2010 4:10 PM

I agree with everyone that mentioned The Godfather as pretty much being the ultimate example of this topic.

If we're talking about non-fiction books too, I would say Goodfellas far surpasses its source material.

You could also debate the superiority of Kubrick's adaptation of The Shining.

Posted by: Brian K at May 12, 2010 4:11 PM

Kick-Ass. Not a great movie, but a definitive improvement over Millar's original.

Posted by: Captain Splendid at May 12, 2010 4:11 PM

Very nice list, sir. You have a way with words that is the stuff of dreams.
When I first saw the title of this list, I immediately thought of Fight Club, and I totally agree with your assessment.
I would add, though, that I think whichever version you see first of a story (book or movie) tends to be the one you favour. Part of the reason I prefer Fight Club the film to Fight Club the novel is because it's one of the rare instances where I saw the film before I read the book. Think about it: movies are usually based on books (not the other way around), so whatever themes/ideas/characters etc we become accustomed to first tend to be the ones we think of as superior.
Anyone with me on this?

Posted by: Meghan at May 12, 2010 4:13 PM

If we're bringing up Kick-Ass then I'm well in order to mention V for Vendetta.

Posted by: SB at May 12, 2010 4:23 PM

I would add the Daniel-Day Lewis version of Last of the Mohicans to the list. I hated the novel.

Forrest Gump maybe?

Also, I have to agree with all the people who said The Godfather.

Posted by: Mattfactor at May 12, 2010 4:33 PM

Since you brought up V for Vendetta and Kick-Ass, let's go with Wanted.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 12, 2010 4:36 PM

Yep, V for Vendetta is a better movie because it can take the strongest thread out of years of Moore's disjointed work on it to make one movie.

Oh and Wilson, if you want to start a holy internet war, don't say The Bible and Passion of the Christ. Say Watchmen. That ought to get the pitchforks and torches out for your ass.

My recommendation: Stardust. Took Gaiman's fairy tale concept and made it simple and straigtforward.

Posted by: Fredo at May 12, 2010 4:36 PM

Frankenstein. Mary Shelley couldn't write worth shit. Aside from the basic idea of creating a monster, the original movie doesn't resemble the book at all, which is a blessing.

And I agree with Sense and Sensibility. I loved Pride and Predjudice (the book and the Colin Firth miniseries). I read S&S after seing the Emma Thompson movie and was surprised that she managed to turn that boring novel into an entertaining film.

The Princess Bride. OK, I haven't read the book, but what I love about the film is that it didn't include anything topical, hence it's never become dated. Well that and it's so much fun to quote. INCONCEIVABLE!

Posted by: BWeaves at May 12, 2010 4:36 PM

I'm several different kinds of geek, and even I have to admit that you're working a little too hard at your Tolkien fellatio, man.

"the tender womb of Tolkein’s prose"??? His prose was awkward and academic. And trust me, I know from awkward and academic. He had one or two stirring moments that were the result of good prose (charge of the Rohirrim at Pelennor Fields is actually the only one I can think of), but most of it succeeded despite his dreadful style.

And don't get me started on his pacing and narration. Three quarters of the action in Fellowship takes place in flashbacks. Way to drain tension completely out of the story, jackass!

Of course, that fit fine with Tolkien's long term goal of establishing a unified mythology for England (that's why it's packed with Norse and Welsh myth and littered with subtle references to fairy tales and Shakespeare). That kind of storytelling works for legends and myths, but it's anathema to a novel.

Peter Jackson did a number of things wrong, but he made that story accessible to a broad audience, which was a trick and a half. There's a reason only geeks tend to finish the thing (and even many of us take several attempts to slog through the first book). As written, it's fairly inaccessible and totally unfilmable.

Incidentally, the point of LotR was twofold. One of them, as mentioned, was to establish a homegrown mythos. This is irrelevant to the film.

The second was Providence. This barely comes off in the book, so I'm not sure I can fault Jackson too much for compounding failure on that one.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 12, 2010 4:37 PM

I liked "The Godfather" as the book. Almost more than the movie.

And I liked "Jurassic Park" in the book form, too, though actually seeing the dinosaurs is a lot fucking cooler than reading about them.

Posted by: Slash at May 12, 2010 4:38 PM

Fredo, You're right, I'm digging out my pitchfork now.

The only thing that movie did that the movie didn't was tie things up with a clever ending that didn't require a significant amount of secondary side-stories and back story to make logical sense. Outside of that, it cut out the two best chapters for time and included bad acting (Malin Ackerman), a sex scene somehow more awkward than the one in the book, and a distracting and often misused soundtrack (really? The Cohen "Hallelujah"? No one likes the Cohen "Hallelujah." NO ONE!).

Posted by: ChristianH at May 12, 2010 4:40 PM

My recommendation: Stardust. Took Gaiman's fairy tale concept and made it simple and straigtforward.

Posted by: Fredo at May 12, 2010 4:36 PM

I'm prepping a fishing boat for you.

I liked Stardust the movie, but it is not better than the book. They're actually so different I'm not sure how I would go about comparing them in a fair way. The book does a brilliant job of using fairy tale logic that simply wouldn't satisfy movie audiences, but that doesn't take away the fact that it was executed brilliantly as a book.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 12, 2010 4:42 PM

@JFD

You took the words right out of my mouth. I would also go so far as to say that The Mist is the best Stephen King adaptation.

Posted by: Samuel Erkison at May 12, 2010 4:49 PM

I would add the Daniel-Day Lewis version of Last of the Mohicans to the list. I hated the novel.
Mattfactor, for real! I tried so hard to appreciated JFC's novel, but it was so very longwinded and boring.

Also...I love the original "Hallelujah." Regardless, no version needs to be played in another movie or television show for at least a solid decade.

Posted by: HB at May 12, 2010 4:55 PM

@ChristianH:

I didn't mean it. I was just making the point that starting a holy war over the Bible isn't as scary as some other books could make it.

@ZS:

We'll agree to disagree. To me, a lot of what Gaiman does is awesome, but sometimes he gets lost in his own rules. Like she can only be free when two Mondays meet?

Posted by: Fredo at May 12, 2010 4:58 PM

@ChristianH:

Oh, yes, Wanted was nice. Ange was smokin' in it. My male friends appreciated her in that movie, to the extent they were toying with an idea of Ange In Wanted Appreciation Society. I didn't know it was based on a comic book, or a graphic novel, or what have you. Hence can't comment.

Posted by: SB at May 12, 2010 5:09 PM

L.A. Confidential. It took the original novel's sprawling, years-spanning mindfuck of a "plot" and condensed it into a tight, gripping noir.

Posted by: Joanna at May 12, 2010 5:13 PM

No one said Let the Right one In yet? Totally better than the book, strips it down to its core and gets rid of all the silly horror stuff and minor characters.

Posted by: Steph at May 12, 2010 5:21 PM

SLW you never dissapoint, great list.

ZombieScientist, I have absolutely no idea how you can disparage Tolkien's writing. You talk about action happening from flashbacks as a negative. But much like the point of the novels...It's because nothing matter but th silent story going on in the background. Tolkien was able to creat a world so tangible that it's haunted the real world for over a century. Jackson just put really nice CGI to it. And cut out my favorite scene. (WTF happened to Tom Bombadil!)

I'm gonna say Rules of Attraction played out better on film than in the book.

Posted by: Blank at May 12, 2010 5:45 PM

Bit out there but I liked the movie High Fidelity better than the book. But that could be because the book is very, very British while I am very, very American. When your story is about pop culture, these things sort of matter.

Posted by: Jason H. at May 12, 2010 5:55 PM

The Mist!? seriously? The ending of that movie is like a donkey punch to your soul.

Posted by: Lindsay at May 12, 2010 6:00 PM

The movie American Psycho better than the book?!?!? Not even close! The book was SO much better. I have never met one person who seriously thought that the movie was better than the book.

Posted by: sherman2020 at May 12, 2010 6:12 PM

Disagree on Fight Club. It's Palahniuk's masterpiece and it's the film that pulled the punches, not the novel. Now, if the film did the whole writing the grandmother to get liposuction fat for the soap and the human fat pratfall chase sequence in the house, maybe the film would have been better. Maybe.

Posted by: Robert at May 12, 2010 6:13 PM

(WTF happened to Tom Bombadil!)

Posted by: Blank at May 12, 2010 5:45 PM

He got cut for being totally lame, stupid and annoying. The entire series is about how terrible and awesome this Ring is and how important it is that it be destroyed and within the first 50 or so pages you have a character prancing in wearing a blue hat and singing songs who simply laughs and mocks the Ring as mere little trinket.

No Bombadil, no Scouring of the Shire, better characters (for the most part), better use of dialogue = Win for Jackson and the movies.

I think everything Jackson did different from the books improved on the story and characters, except for maybe the Faramir thing.


Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 12, 2010 6:14 PM

Passion was a snuff film. Big budget, well-researched, but a snuff film nevertheless.

Posted by: The Wanderer at May 12, 2010 6:22 PM

Every movie after a Stephen King story.

Posted by: FabMax at May 12, 2010 6:23 PM

@forbidden donut

Did justice to? Definitely.

Improved upon? Well that's just silly.

Posted by: Blank at May 12, 2010 6:26 PM

Actually, Book Faramir seriously undermines the menace of the ring. Movie Faramir was a weaker character who was better for the story overall.

Much the same could be said about Arwen. She was still mostly useless, as befits the character Tolkien created, but she is given a very little bit of narrative heft in the films, which is a net gain for Aragorn, as well.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 12, 2010 6:26 PM

Fucking Last of the Mohicans!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jackk at May 12, 2010 6:36 PM

Forbiddendonut: OH PLEASE. There was no way the movies could even TRY to reach the level of the books.

1. A good part of the charm of the books was the pointless fluff like Tom Bombadil. He shelps ease the transition between the much more lighthearted The Hobbit and the darker trilogy. He also is utterly fun. The entire point of the books, for Tolkien, was creating a believable world. He wasn't terribly interested in the fans, he was more into exploring Middle Earth. And, like any world, it has people you disagree with, people who perhaps don't take things seriously enough, and people who lighten the mood.

2. The characters in general are way better in the books. Frodo does something other than gaze longingly, Arwen and Aaragorn aren't exchanging virginity trinkets, Sam has some dimension, and Faramir isn't a complete PONCE (sorry if it makes me sound like a British poser, it's just the most apt word).

3. Most importantly, though, I liked my imaginary version of Middle Earth better than Peter Jackson's. My giant eye didn't look like the literal manifestation of a firecrotch. My Ents looked like trees, not people on stilts wearing bellbottoms. My Galadriel and Celeborn weren't creepy twins. And I said Gandalf with my A like AH.

I could definitely go on, but I think this has been a sufficiently long diatribe. I agree that a fair amount of Tolkien is hard to wade through, but that's why we invented SKIMMING.

Posted by: esme at May 12, 2010 6:56 PM

Yep, V for Vendetta is a better movie because it can take the strongest thread out of years of Moore's disjointed work on it to make one movie

No. No way that that pile of shit movie anywhere close to being as good as the book. The ham-handed Wachowski brothers completely missed the point of the character of V. V isn't a freedom fighter, he laughs at your freedom fighters. V is an anarchist. And they completely missed the setting of the story. The setting was Thatcher-era England. As in, the book was a period piece and not meant to tell the story of a different time. If the Wachowski's hadn't climbed so far up their own assholes while making the film, they might have gotten the point of the story.

I have nothing but hate for that film. Vociferous, loud, fiery hate.

As for Watchmen, God love Zack Snyder. He tried. He really did. But he just couldn't capture the soul of the book. I can forgive him for that. I will never forgive the Wachowskis. My pitchfork and torch is for them.

Posted by: stardust at May 12, 2010 7:14 PM

"American Psycho"
-southwer

Huh wha?

What? Huh.

Don't get me wrong, cool movie. Enjoyed it. But the full effect of the juxtaposition of his mindset during the banality or his yuppie life and his mindset while killing just wasn't shown effectively enough. Simply because of the way it is styled, the story has to be read, not shown, to fully appreciate. Also, ratings boards and the special effects of the time couldn't get many passages from the book translated to the screen. Shit, I don't think today's sfx could pull it off. Wouldn't want them to, either. NAILS RAT PIPE CAR BATTERY CHAINSAW, anyone? nargh.

Posted by: The Only New Zealander at May 12, 2010 7:15 PM

Wonder Boys: a good read, but a better movie that distilled the essence of it (particularly cutting down on the overlong middle.)

Eddie and the Cruisers: Was a middling engaging crime thriller-literary midlife crisis novel. Turned into a bittersweet look at the passage of time, minus the body count.

Wiseguy/Goodfellas: an awesome non-fiction made even more awesomer by Scorcese at the height of his powers.

Posted by: kevin_m at May 12, 2010 7:22 PM

"Thank You for Smoking." While I enjoyed the book, it tends to meander. The film tightened up the narrative, and made a better story.

Posted by: Rlr260 at May 12, 2010 7:24 PM

Brokeback mountain anyone? don't get me wrong, the original short story was stunningly beautiful, but the movie expanded it and enriched it while staying true to the spirit.

Proulx left us wanting more and Lee delivered them.

Posted by: Hiro at May 12, 2010 7:34 PM

How about A Clockwork Orange? I feel that the film's ending presented a more accurate representation of a sociopath, which Alex clearly was. None of this growing out of his psychopathy nonsense that was the last chapter in the book.

Posted by: Helena at May 12, 2010 7:35 PM

"Babe" - yes, the one with the sheep-herding pig.
The movie tapped into the imagination of the viewer's inner child, and created something wonderful. The book was just awful. (and so was the movie sequel.)

Posted by: Anne H at May 12, 2010 7:39 PM

The Shining.

Posted by: adam at May 12, 2010 7:42 PM

Helena >> I was just thinking about the divide between Clockwork Orange the book and movie a couple weeks ago. I wondered if the book is more of a character study that gives Alex that arc, whereas the movie's ending emphasizes the story as more of a societal critique.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 8:20 PM

How about Forrest Gump anyone? I'm certainly not saying it was the best movie either, but I would have never seen the movie if I had read the book, it was just bizarre and bleh. I'm seconding everyone on The Godfather as well; I just finished reading it.

Posted by: Reina at May 12, 2010 8:41 PM

This is a shocking list and the comments even more so. I have to echo the preference for the Bombadil-less movie version of LOTR and that third movie *still* sucked balls. Whoever thought V for Vendetta is a better movie is thorougly and objectively wrong, sorry. LYLAS, but sorry.

The correct answer in this challenge is The Hours. Michael Cunningham is an absolutely insufferable writer, especially in describing things. Movies are able to just show things, so it rid itself of the worst parts of the novel. Plus, the movie substituted visual elements for a lot of the callbacks between storylines without being cutesy. I didn't even like the movie that much, mind you, but it was still league ahead of the book.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at May 12, 2010 8:44 PM

Re: A Clockwork Orange was almost on the list, but as many have pointed out, it's the last chapter that really craters the book. That last chapter was never in an American release before 1986, because the American publisher agreed with all of you. So ... it seemed like a bit of an edge case for that reason.

Posted by: Steven Lloyd Wilson at May 12, 2010 8:45 PM

Awesome idea for a list, and well done to boot. And with this, "They are entertaining spectacle, but they bloody well missed the entire point of the novels", I fell in love a little bit.

Posted by: EricD at May 12, 2010 8:53 PM

LoTR? Please, the movies are violent, ugly, stringy-haired violence orgies. And I understand why they had to cut things, but why did they need to write crap in? Endless nonsense on the stairway in Moria? Oliphants the size of 3 story buildings? Just yuck. Too many people won't look at the books after being repelled by the movies. Only cool addition = lighting of the signal fires on the mountains from Minas Tirith to Rohan. Best part of novels = appendices. My geekness = total.

Also, Mash the tv show > Mash the movie > Mash the novel.

Posted by: bentjohn at May 12, 2010 9:08 PM

Hmm, interesting. I wasn't aware of that bit of news. Thanks for edumacating me, Steven! Awesome list, by the way.

Darth, you present an interesting interpretation. I guess as a psychologist-in-training, his complete behavioral turnaround completely ruined the ending for me since psychopathy is not a labile disorder. That aside, I think that Alex's character didn't need to be redeemed in any way; sometimes bad people are just that, bad.
Which is to say, I agree with you. :)

Posted by: Helena at May 12, 2010 9:19 PM

Too many people won't look at the books after being repelled by the movies.

Sorry, I have to disagree. The books were around for decades, and were fairly popular for a fantasy genre book. In fact, before the movies came out, it was probably the only fantasy series the layman could reference.

That said, the only people who actually read LoTR before the movies were people naturally inclined to the fantasy genre--i.e. a tiny, cult following.

The movies caused book sales to sky rocket, not just for LoTR, but fantasy in general. Say what you will for the movies (I, for one, enjoyed them other than the end of the third) but they did NOT harm readership. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: Lindsay at May 12, 2010 9:30 PM

Helena >> I guess it didn't bother me because I wasn't looking at his psychopathy as a diagnosable disorder, although I do not have your expertise. On top of that, we are dealing with a universe that is not quite our own, with "rehabilitation" dispensable via eyelids held open before moving images. It can be interpreted as more of an allegory about growing up, and I believe that's how Anthony Burgess intended it based on his own commentary after the fact. I don't have a problem with it on that level; perhaps I prefer the film because I saw it first.

SLW >> True. It's also worth noting, though, that Kubrick based his screenplay on the version with the omitted chapter and only read that extra chapter after he was almost done with the writing. He was dismissive of it after the fact, but it would be interesting how he would have handled it if he were exposed to that aspect of the original story earlier in the process.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 9:34 PM

I'll stand up on the side of American Psycho the movie being better than American Psycho the book. I thought the book was horribly disjointed and excessively disgusting for no reason and failed as satire. Mary Harron and Christian Bale did a great job putting all those monologues about Huey Lewis and stuff in Bateman's voice and rescued it as a comment on 80s excess.

Also better than the book: The Notebook.

As good as the book: The Virgin Suicides.

Posted by: CL at May 12, 2010 9:36 PM

There actually are no Stephen King novels where the movie version is significantly better. Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile are both marginally better, Misery is, if anything, about the same (the book is a balls-out terrifying read) but I'll grant you that one, and the Jack Nicholson version of The Shining is a good movie but hardly beats the sheer terror in the book. Stand By Me and Carrie do the stories justice but they are far from superior.

Then you have The Mist, Christine, Firestarter, The Stand, Dreamcatcher, The Running Man (yes, it's a King story), The Dead Zone, Apt Pupil, Children of the Corn, It, Needful Things, Pet Sematary, Hearts in Atlantis (which kind of sucked as a book anyway), Salem's Lot ... anyway you get the idea.

Not to mention the upcoming Dark Tower movie(s), with which I will be ecstatic if they even come close.

If I say there are few of his stories translated successfully to the screen, it's only in relation to the number (more or less) unsuccessfully translated:

http://bestsellers.about.com/od/stephenking/a/king_films.htm

Posted by: Neodiogenes at May 12, 2010 9:56 PM

I'll jump on the dystopian-wagon with 1984, barely. If I had to pick just one or the other, I'd pick the movie. Some of the images, while well drawn in the book are devastating in the movie.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at May 12, 2010 10:06 PM

ZombieScientist: The theme that you missed from LotRs was that it is a coming of age story. When the Hobbits leave the Shire they know nothing of the outside world and how to handles themselves in it. When they return the outside world has imposed itself on the Shire, but the hobbits have learned enough to be able to handle the problem themselves. The leave the Shire alone and they return to the Shire alone. There are similar coming of age themes for Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas; but these were all at least someone kept in the movie. The removal of the scourging of the Shire completely stripped away the foundation of the story which was the coming of age of four main characters and an entire race of beings.

I understand the changes that Jackson made with regards to Bombidil and Faramir helped to tighten up the movie, but in so doing it lost much of the nuance of the book.

However, I will agree with you that the writing is pretty bad. It is boring and Tolkien had a clear aversion to adjectives that just doesn't make sense.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 12, 2010 10:10 PM

Also, I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned The Third Man. A slow and hard to follow mystery book, but a brilliant noir movie about the greed of men in Berlin immediately after Nazi defeat. As I said, the book was hard to follow and it never came together. The movie, however, was a cinematic masterpiece. Orson Wells still pops up on a lot of best villains lists for his role in this movie.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 12, 2010 10:15 PM

I'd like to put a bid in for Howl's Moving Castle.

I really love the book, but the action gets confusing at times, especially with the fact that two minor characters switch places early on, and confuses the hell out of the reader.

The movie takes a serious left turn from the book, but still manages to stay true to the original characters. Plus the music and animation is just gorgeous. (and one of the few anime where I prefer the dub)

Posted by: Rowen at May 12, 2010 10:19 PM

Darth, quite right. I guess I read it a bit too literally; a world that is not our own, but is within the realm of possibility. The Ludovico technique presented in the film/book is actually a form of aversion therapy. In extreme cases, it's used to get rid of addictive behaviors like smoking and drinking. /psych lesson.
I'm definitely curious of the author's intention as well as what he thought of the film. Good stuff.

Posted by: Helena at May 12, 2010 10:30 PM

Morgan LaFai, I can sort of see the coming of age bit for the hobbits, but that only barely, because none of them have enough internal life to show growth that we're not projecting onto them. I can't see it at all for the others. Aragorn was depressingly static in the book. We meet a hero, and he leaves a hero. There's no arc at all. Legolas and Gimli show some character development in that they move past the racial enmity thing, but not very much "coming of age."

But on the Scouring... Tolkien himself is on record as saying that the only reason he put it in the book was to have an excuse to make the hobbits heroes in their own land. This was deliberately at odds with his own experience of war, and a sort of wish fulfillment on his part.

In that respect, the quiet drink the hobbits share near the end wherein they are clearly separate from the mundane concerns of the other hobbits is actually very much in the spirit of Tolkien's letters. They have been to war, and they are changed. I found that much more satisfying than grafting an unnecessary set of fights on the end that never really served a purpose other than to let Merry and Pippin look impressive to the local hobbit chicks.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 12, 2010 10:35 PM

@Tolkien Discussion

I think a movie is such a different undertaking from Tolkein's writing that they are more like two works drawing from the same material than two versions of the same work. It's like there's The History and Mythology of Middle Earth that everybody knows. Tolkien drew from it a particular story about Providence as ZombieScientist said. Jackson drew an adventure story that happens to use the same events.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at May 12, 2010 10:45 PM

Not that the Green Mile wasn't an awesome movie but I still think the book was better for one important reason. UM... SPOILER FOR BOTH BOOK AND MOVIE AHEAD...

In the book Michael Clark Duncan's character was afraid to die. In the movie he wasn't it. He reassured Tom Hanks' character that it was okay and that he was ready to die. Horseshit! That's just some fucking coward ass executive deciding that they can't make the movie THAT horrible so they change it to having him be okay with dying. If you've read the book, part of the biggest heartbreak comes from this poor innocent man-child being murdered for a crime he didn't commit and being terrified of dying.

And the movie shouldn't have fucked with that.

Posted by: Kelly at May 12, 2010 10:46 PM

Morgan LaFai >> The Third Man hadn't occurred to me, as I haven't read that book either. Seeing as how that film is perfect, though, its inclusion does not surprise me.

Lists like this just underscore how poorly read I am.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 11:15 PM

Kelly >> I did not read The Green Mile, but I felt the movie was trying to heighten the "J.C." factor, which implies a willing sacrifice. I liked the movie, but that aspect was lacking for me.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 11:16 PM

Helena >> Are there documented uses of Ludovico? I would be curious to read about those.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 12, 2010 11:18 PM

Up In The Air

Posted by: Sexy at May 12, 2010 11:42 PM

Darth, well not the same way presented in the movie, but the technique is the same. An unwanted behavior is paired with a noxious stimulus (such as a nausea-inducing injection or electric shocks); over time, the behavior diminishes (or that's the theory, anyway). It's based on the principles of classical conditioning. However, I think it's fallen out of disuse; research on its efficacy has been inconclusive. Maybe this page will give you more information; they refer to some research using the technique.

Posted by: Helena at May 12, 2010 11:47 PM

Jaws, though mentioned above, gets another vote from me. I hated the book. It was dreary and depressing and every character in it was hateable except Brody, and he was a doormat.

V for Vendetta as an adaptation of the graphic novel isn't great, but it's a fantastic movie -- paced, shot, and acted superbly -- while the GN is a depressing, nihilistic grind without a protagonist.

Wanted, though I've only seen bits of it, must be better than the source material, because the GN is horrid.

Christine is the only Stephen King film I know of that is easily better than its source material. It's not the greatest movie ever made, but the book is pretty crap.

Posted by: RudeMorgue at May 13, 2010 12:03 AM

No Crichton book has been made into a better movie.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 12, 2010 4:00 PM

The Andromeda Strain. It diversified the cast by changing one of the main characters to a woman. And it also gets credit just for existing as a genuinely good film, seeing as how it was based on one of Crichton's least filmable novels.

Posted by: spazmodeas at May 13, 2010 1:03 AM

ATONEMENT.

Super-pretentious book into a bearable movie.

Posted by: Dirk at May 13, 2010 1:17 AM

Alfonso CUARON. Apparently, the film was so good you forgot who directed it exactly.

Posted by: arrrghzi at May 13, 2010 1:40 AM

One title blazed in my brainpan when I saw this post, and one title only. The Wizard of Oz. Abso-fuckin-lutely.

Posted by: melia at May 13, 2010 3:44 AM

Sorry, no. WAY no. The Princess Bride (movie) is good, but The Princess Bride (novel) is a masterpiece. The way Goldman breaks down the fourth wall makes those Peter Falk interruptions look like peanuts. Also, the book doesn't come with a shitty musical score.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

But agree with Blade Runner. Specifically because the film cuts a lot of superfluous crap that makes the story work better. By which reasoning, you should also include The Godfather and Jaws on your list.

Posted by: Grafty at May 13, 2010 5:42 AM

ZombieScientist: Gimli and Legolas only did the coming to respect other cultures (species) change, but it was very important in the books.

As for Aragorn, he did come of age in the story. He was always a hero, but in the beginning he was a hero in the background who wanted nothing more than to be a ranger. He did not want to be king. But through the course of the books he came to accept his role and responsibility. I would call that a coming of age tale.

And with the Shire, I was under the impression that Tolkien wanted it in there because it had always been a story about the hobbits and he needed a way to show how much the hobbits had grown. Yes, he is creating an overarching mythology for England which is Middle Earth, but this particular tale is very much centered around the hobbits.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 13, 2010 6:29 AM

Spazmodeas: I stand corrected. I didn't look back far enough.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 13, 2010 6:43 AM

You guys are amazing, and I love you and all that, but ... American Psycho is better than the book? Rules of Attraction is better than the book? "Spare me, baby." (as said by Victor Ward in Glamorama).

Posted by: SB at May 13, 2010 7:09 AM

A Clockwork Orange.
The Last Temptation of Christ (actually, the book and the movie are JUST as good, in this case)

And you're gods-damned right the Lord of the Rings belong on this list. Slashfest porn or not, the movies are vastly superior to Tolkien's thinly veiled, overblown allegory in serious need of strong editorial input. Hell, at least Peter Jackson had the courtesy to excise Tom fucking Bombadill!

Posted by: Armando at May 13, 2010 7:43 AM

Like Water for Chocolate. Awful, AWFUL book. Punch-a-baby-in-the-face bad. Chase-your-mom-around-the-house-with-your-dick-in-your-hand bad.

But I loved the movie.

Posted by: courtney at May 13, 2010 9:03 AM

Frankly, I think a lot of you are projecting depth onto Tolkien that is not there in the text. He was writing myth, not novel. Character motivations, when they existed at all, were pretty elemental. Other than Theoden (who is channeling Shakespeare all up and down the floorboards and therefore achieves some arc), the hobbits were the most "human" of the good guy bunch, but that's because they were English peasants dropped into the middle of a Norse/Welsh myth.

In and of itself, not being a novel is not a bad thing. In some ways, it helps the story remain relevant. Aragorn changes about as much as Thor does, or Achilles. Mythic heroes never really change. The circumstances around them do.

I think you're attributing changes in attitude to changes in narrative. You're treating it like a novel, like a modern piece of storytelling, and seeing the tropes you expect to see, when they are really not there. His own letters about his work demonstrate some of that.

The sheer depth of his world is a wonderful thing, but he populated it mostly with cardboard cut-outs.

Some of the villains (Wormtongue) come off much more three dimensional, but again, this is because Tolkien was drawing from better source material for them.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 13, 2010 9:29 AM

@ZombieScientist

Re: Tolkein - He was writing myth, not novel.

Yeah, that's it.

Darn hard to film a myth, so if you're going to film the material you have to make it something else. Although, the Jean-Claude Carrière (adaptation) / Peter Brook (screenplay) version of The Mahabharata does an outstanding job. That may deserve a place on the "movie better than the book" list. The miniseries is a better narrative story than the source mythology, though necessarily less rich. Maybe movie and myth are both "the better one", just different?

That may cover Tom Bombadill, too. As an element in the mythology that holds the story of the Lord of the Rings, he's kind of required. As a character having an arc, or helping someone else's, he's just in the way.


@Morgan LaFai

As much as I'm reluctant to get on the bad side of an enchantress from Cornwall, I'm kind of with Zombie about insufferable Aragorn. No arc.

Started insufferable. Ended insufferable, with cleaner clothes. While running around being ranger-guy he is all the time spouting off: "I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn, rightful heir to this, scion of that, and this is my ring that says so, so nyeaaaah, nyeeaaah, nyeeeeaaaaah." (Harvard Law School class ring, class of 1986)

Aragorn has way more of an arc in the movie version. In the mythology, his being crowned king, doesn't make him king. He was that all along.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at May 13, 2010 11:34 AM

Rule #1 of Pajiba Club: You can either love the Lord of The Rings books, or you can love the Lord of The Rings films, but NEVER both.

Posted by: Mario Speedwagon at May 13, 2010 11:40 AM

I'd go "World According to Garp." I found the book pointlessly mean-spirited. George Roy Hill really humanized those characters for me, while still keeping them as screwed-up as they're intended to be.

Posted by: periscope at May 13, 2010 11:41 AM

Nice one, Periscope, though I do love the book. Irving's got some women issues, which is always a huge distraction in his generally good and absorbing books. One of Robin Williams's best roles, if you ask me.

Posted by: samantha t at May 13, 2010 11:59 AM

@Periscope

Nice catch. "It's pre-disastered."

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at May 13, 2010 12:38 PM

Nah, Mario, I love them both. I just resist the way book fanbois enshrined them as if they were the best thing since Hamlet. It is the Alpha and the Omega. It is all things to all people.

Bullshit.

The book is excellent for what it is. But people insist on making it into things that it is not. I'm a pedantic asshole, so I don't tend to let that fly by without comment.

And one of the things that it is not is modern storytelling. Another thing it is not is film-able as written.

I think the films made the best of a bad situation. They added things that modern audiences expect in terms of character, and removed things that won't play on screen or in a fo' realz novel.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at May 13, 2010 1:20 PM

Whether the books existed or not the 3rd movie, Return of the King, was a pile of crap. Starting with that horrible opening with Gollum that looked like a bad SNL parody, running at least 30 minutes too long, that god awful Gandalf lusting after hobbits goodbye at the boat, and ending without finishing the story. The biggest load of crap Jackson ever tried to sell was saying he did not include the Scouring of the Shire because he didn't have time. There was a least an hour of pure garbage that could have been cut from that movie.

Posted by: EricD at May 13, 2010 5:57 PM

The Firm. Yes, I know it is a Tom Cruise movie, but the movie ending was faaar better than the book.

The book petered out with an overlong car chase, whereas the movie did a clever bit using the law regarding U.S. postal service.

Much better ending.

Posted by: morganew at May 13, 2010 6:50 PM

In the Bedroom.
The film was so amazing, I had to read the source material because it would have to be better... and then I found out Dubus also wrote the source story for We Don't Live Here Anymore. I ran out and bought a collection of his stories. Awful... just AW-FUL.

Posted by: bel at May 13, 2010 8:03 PM

FUCK Tom Bombadil. Fuck his songs, fuck his stupid hat, and fuck his idiotic singing right up its stupid, musical ASS. "Hrmm, I've painted the hobbits right into a corner. How do I get them out of this? I KNOW! I'll bring in a deus ex machina in the form of a fat old man in a blue hat! Who SINGS!"

Goddamn it.

Posted by: Craig at May 13, 2010 8:46 PM

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

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Posted by: lily at May 13, 2010 10:01 PM

Big Fish. The movie was gorgeous (mmm Ewan McGregor), the book was forgettable.

Posted by: Crystal at May 14, 2010 12:37 AM

1. Apocalypse Now: It's hard to say if it surpasses Conrad's book, but placing this riverboat trip into darkness into the midst of the Vietnam War was a stroke of genius.

2. Under the Volcano: Albert Finney's bravura performance; 'nuff said.

Posted by: Big Softie at May 14, 2010 2:11 AM

@Tolkien Discussion:

Okay, maybe I am wrong about Aragron. Perhaps I am remembering what my father imparted on me when he read me the books as a kid, but I could have sworn that he only started calling himself Aragron son of blah... when he was around people who already knew, and after he was given the reforged sword. I also thought that in his appendices with Erewin that he was happy as a ranger until he met Erewin and realized that in order to be with her he would have to be something more and that much of what is unwritten was his coming to accept this.

I have to say though, that I also liked the movies. Perhaps I defy the Pajiba standards it that I honestly loved both. I have read the books many times, and seen the movies many times (including all of the making of specials that come with the extended version) so it is also possible that I am now starting to get them confused within my head.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 14, 2010 5:00 AM

@Morgan LaFai

Well said. I, too, enjoy both the LOTR books and the movies, but differently.

I'm with you on things blending together, too, even books. LOTR was completely different for me after I read The Silmarillion & The Unfinished Tales. If you get the off-stage implications of the little you see in the LOTR, the story is way more compelling. It even makes Aragorn less of a third wheel, and some of the "other" characters become required - Shelob, the Ents, and even Tom Bombadil. Their small appearances are the resolutions to big stories off-stage, that set the scene for the little hobbits' adventure.

Within the whole mythology, you even need the ending, and the other ending, then the real ending, followed by the summing up, then the resolution, the recap and the coda. The last 2/3 of The Return of the King has to do with stuff that didn't happen in tLOTR.

The Dune series is similar, I think. And even I Claudius kind of.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at May 14, 2010 11:45 AM

I agree with kelsy--Mansfield Park. I love Austen's novels but that was by far my least favorite. Fanny is such a weak little prude in the book. The '99 film gives her a backbone and improves some of the other characters as well--and, as kelsy said, it's much sexier.

Posted by: lainiefig at May 15, 2010 1:55 PM

"Jurassic Park is far superior as a book. I love the movie, but the book is smarter, has more action, and is a lot harder edged. No Crichton book has been made into a better movie."

Sure, the book had more philosophizing and action in it, but it had nowhere near as much visceral impact and emotional connection. I never gave two shits about a single character in the book, and Crichton didn't seem to either (You say harder edge, I say lack of humanity). Also, while I credit him for having a great imagination, his prose is for shit. His action scenes were barely stage directions, and there was no sense of atmosphere. It was a cool thought experiment with some characters and scenes hastily taped on. The passage that comes to mind from my reading experience goes thusly: "Grant suddenly felt a pain in his hand. The raptor was biting him." Wow. Fucking RIVETING. As in many of the examples on this page, Spielberg did some bloodletting in terms of complexity, but the result was a lean, mean, unforgettable film experience.

"The Andromeda Strain. It diversified the cast by changing one of the main characters to a woman. And it also gets credit just for existing as a genuinely good film, seeing as how it was based on one of Crichton's least filmable novels."

Snore.

"And don't get me started on his pacing and narration. Three quarters of the action in Fellowship takes place in flashbacks. Way to drain tension completely out of the story, jackass!"

Learning the events as the characters did made the story that much more immersive and experiential, and I love the slow build of suspense out of domestic comfort in Fellowship more than the pounding intensity of the film. I recognize that it was necessary for a successful adaptation, so I don't begrudge Jackson that, and I agree that he broadened its appeal. I love the films, but the books moreso (and neither are perfect, so don't say I'm enshrining them). Don't get me started on what he did to Gollum in the third one, though.

"Tolkien's thinly veiled, overblown allegory"

Are you shitting me? One of the subtler allegories I've seen. It's not even central to the story.

"The only thing that [Watchmen the] movie did that the [comic] didn't was tie things up with a clever ending that didn't require a significant amount of secondary side-stories and back story to make logical sense."

The secondary side-stories of Watchmen are what make it such a rich world. They show us what the superheroes come out of, and what they're trying to protect. And the streets strewn with bodies surrounding an (OK, admittedly not that well designed) otherworldly horror packed so much more of a punch that the bland, bloodless crater in the film. If you'd handed that monster to Wayne Barlowe and shot it the way it looked in the book, it would have been God-damned heart-stopping. The film was an admirable effort, but I really can't say it improved on the source in any way.

"I would also go so far as to say that The Mist is the best Stephen King adaptation."

Pffft, yeah right. Subtlety, thy name is Hyper-Christian Boogeyman. I'm a hardline atheist, and even I was rolling my eyes. Also, it suffered some tepid horror-movie stupidity, and felt overall too campy. I don't care how far off the mark it is, The Shining gets my vote.

"My recommendation: Stardust. Took Gaiman's fairy tale concept and made it simple and straightforward."

I haven't read the book, but I can't imagine it seeming as poorly plotted, over-acted, weirdly paced, and uncomfortably sexual as the movie.

Posted by: Franzibald at May 17, 2010 7:57 AM

"Jurassic Park is far superior as a book. I love the movie, but the book is smarter, has more action, and is a lot harder edged. No Crichton book has been made into a better movie."

Sure, the book had more philosophizing and action in it, but it had nowhere near as much visceral impact and emotional connection. I never gave two shits about a single character in the book, and Crichton didn't seem to either (You say harder edge, I say lack of humanity). Also, while I credit him for having a great imagination, his prose is for shit. His action scenes were barely stage directions, and there was no sense of atmosphere. It was a cool thought experiment with some characters and scenes hastily taped on. The passage that comes to mind from my reading experience goes thusly: "Grant suddenly felt a pain in his hand. The raptor was biting him." Wow. Fucking RIVETING. As in many of the examples on this page, Spielberg did some bloodletting in terms of complexity, but the result was a lean, mean, unforgettable film experience.

"The Andromeda Strain. It diversified the cast by changing one of the main characters to a woman. And it also gets credit just for existing as a genuinely good film, seeing as how it was based on one of Crichton's least filmable novels."

Snore.

"And don't get me started on his pacing and narration. Three quarters of the action in Fellowship takes place in flashbacks. Way to drain tension completely out of the story, jackass!"

Learning the events as the characters did made the story that much more immersive and experiential, and I love the slow build of suspense out of domestic comfort in Fellowship more than the pounding intensity of the film. I recognize that it was necessary for a successful adaptation, so I don't begrudge Jackson that, and I agree that he broadened its appeal. I love the films, but the books moreso (and neither are perfect, so don't say I'm enshrining them). Don't get me started on what he did to Gollum in the third one, though.

"Tolkien's thinly veiled, overblown allegory"

Are you shitting me? One of the subtler allegories I've seen. It's not even central to the story.

"The only thing that [Watchmen the] movie did that the [comic] didn't was tie things up with a clever ending that didn't require a significant amount of secondary side-stories and back story to make logical sense."

The secondary side-stories of Watchmen are what make it such a rich world. They show us what the superheroes come out of, and what they're trying to protect. And the streets strewn with bodies surrounding an (OK, admittedly not that well designed) otherworldly horror packed so much more of a punch that the bland, bloodless crater in the film. If you'd handed that monster to Wayne Barlowe and shot it the way it looked in the book, it would have been God-damned amazing. The film was an admirable effort, but I really can't say it improved on the source in any way.

"I would also go so far as to say that The Mist is the best Stephen King adaptation."

Pffft, yeah right. Subtlety, thy name is Hyper-Christian Boogeyman. I'm a hardline atheist, and even I was rolling my eyes. Also, it suffered some tepid horror-movie stupidity, and felt overall too campy. I don't care how far off the mark it is, The Shining gets my vote.

"My recommendation: Stardust. Took Gaiman's fairy tale concept and made it simple and straightforward."

I haven't read the book, but I can't imagine it seeming as poorly plotted, over-acted, weirdly paced, and uncomfortably sexual as the movie.

Posted by: Franzibald at May 17, 2010 7:59 AM