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Hollywood's He-Man Woman-Haters: Seven Stars Whose Careers and Misogyny Aligned with Dismayingly Varied Results

By Rob Payne | Seriously Random Lists | September 20, 2013 | Comments ()


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Rather than write an extended riff on the history of misogyny and sexism in the entertainment industry — because it is well-wrote territory — let’s just presume that we all understand it’s a systemic issue undergirding pretty much all industries in all contemporary societies, but especially in pop culture. That’s just the way the world worked for the bulk of mankind’s existence. Equality is basically the narrative of 20th and 21st century human history, so the phrase “white patriarchal capitalism” wasn’t birthed in a vaccuum. (And I’m sure my Intro to Film professor is ecstatic he burned that into my and my classmates’ impressionable brains.) It’s real, it most likely isn’t conscious in the vast majority of cases, and talking about it, even incessantly, as a means to provide awareness to those who might accidentally partake in it, is the best way to keep the progressive momentum pushing forward. Like Moby discussing the catchy and douchetastic “Blurred Lines.”

With that in mind, here are Six Once (and some still) Beloved Men in Hollywood and Beyond that Prove Misogyny and Sexism Still Exists. The reactions of the industry and the consumer-audience to them remain decidedly mixed… and unfortunate.


Mel Gibson
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Obviously, we can’t have a list of Hollywood misogynists without discussing Mel Gibson. He is unquestionably one of the most talented people here and that’s reason enough that his star shone so incredibly bright in the 1980s to the mid-2000s. He was Riggs, Maverick, and Mad Max. He directed Braveheart and the Man Without a Face. Then he drove drunk in Malibu, which he blamed on “the Jews” (it’s always “the Jews”), and called his arresting female officer “sugar tits.” That was enough for some to write off Gibson entirely, but then he managed to direct a pretty decent and moderately successful epic film about Meso-American human sacrifice, which should have been a Sisyphean task for even notable Hollywood good guy Tom Hanks. Then he raged at his ex-girlfriend and the mother of his children, on a recorded phone call, saying, “You look like a fucking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n*ggers it will be your fault.” Even after allegedly beating the same woman, he still has defenders like Jodie Foster casting him as the lead in their movies, and fans of his Passion of the Christ will likely never abandon him. Gibson may always have a career — and, to be fair, his misogyny is less defined onscreen than his persecution complex — but unless he goes on a major public relations apology tour, that career will likely be relegated to relatively cheap direct-to-DVD or OnDemand releases. But don’t weep for him yet, he still makes more money than almost everyone reading this article will ever see.


Charlie Sheen
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While it’s entirely possible that Mel Gibson is legitimately kinda-sorta insane, Charlie Sheen is just legitimately the poster child for entitled rich assholes bad boys, who used to mostly get away with beating and accidentally shooting their girlfriends and wives and children due to their fame or wealth or wealth and fame. But like Gibson, there was at least a period of time where it seemed like Sheen deserved at least some of his career highlights (Platoon, Wallt Street, Major League) due to actual talent rather than just being the son of an acting legend. But, of course, his off-screen exploits never stopped, even when he joined the cast of Two and a Half Men, a bizarrely popular sitcom notorious for its mostly horrible presentation of women as shrews, morons, or shrewish morons. (Holland Taylor’s impeccable grace being the lone exception.) Why the last straw had to be a very public, tiger blood-infused metldown after terrorizing a porn star/escort in a hotel room is anyone’s guess. But while his fictional Charlie character may have gotten what he deserved in a fiery car accident, the real Sheen continues to work on his not-popular, mostly-reviled FX shitcom Anger Management. The title couldn’t be more apt, considering he recently fired his co-star, the better-than-this-anyway Selma Blair, calling her a word that rhymes with Allen Funt in the process. Will he continue to work after his show reaches the contractually obligated 100 episodes? If Robert Rodriguez is willing to hire him for the Machete sequel, even ironically, the answer is sadly obvious.


Corey Feldman
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As a child of 1980s suburban America, I was naturally a fan of the two Coreys, Haim and Feldman. The Lost Boys and License to Drive were essentially my favorite movies, because they are great (Dream a Little Dream is not my jam). But while Haim was the star of those vehicles, Feldman had the better career and arguably more talent, as evidenced by Stand by Me, Gremlins, The Goonies, and The ‘Burbs. But, thanks to copious drugs and alcohol, it all started to go tits up after voicing Donatello in the original live action Ninja Turtles movies, and before long his career was dead, and Haim was dead for real. Like Lindsay Lohan, it’s easy to wonder what might have been if the Coreys hadn’t doomed themselves or had people who cared enough about them to ensure that didn’t happen. I used to think it was sad, and it still is for Haim. But Feldman has proven that he deserves no pity, only guffaws of ridicule, with private birthday parties wherein dudes gotta pay but babes get in free… so long as their clad in lingerie or body paint, preferably with costume shop wings attached so Corey knows you’re one of his “angels.” He’s trying to be Hugh Hefner without actually doing any of the work or having any of the charm. Well, that isn’t totally fair, he is doing work. If you can call the worst music video (and song) of the year “working.” If Moby thinks “Blurred Lines” is in poor taste, I can’t imagine what he thinks of the complete lack of artistry on display in “Ascension Millennium”. At least it’s one of the few YouTube clips with more down- than up-votes.


Chris Brown
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Full Disclosure: I know almost nothing about Chris Brown’s life or career beyond what everyone in the world knows. He is, by most accounts, an incredibly gifted musician who had a squeaky clean image that has been almost completely tarnished after punching his once and future girlfriend, the pop star Rihanna, in the face. Repeatedly. What else is there to know? His most ardent fans will tell you and God and everybody (on Twitter) that “that bitch” Rihanna deserved what she got, and even his critics will sometimes say that it’s her own fault if something happens for continually going back to him. Does his music advocate beating women? Does it even glorify sexism the way so much hip hop does? I have no idea, but he remains utterly unapologetic about his predeliction for using his fists instead of his way with words to settle arguments with people he proclaims to love. That he continues to sell records in spite of this is almost as tragic as the initial fight that spawned the controversy. Hopefully he backs up his “threat” to quit after his next album drops, because chances are nobody in the music industry will make him stop otherwise.


Andrew Dice Clay
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The Dice Man was one of the biggest stars in the world of stand-up comedy in the 1980s and early 1990s, the leather-clad, questionably prolific Italian-American lothario stereotype before the Jersey Shore was a gleam in The Situation’s bronzed abs, and the apparent alter ego of comedian Andrew Dice Clay. From pretty much the beginning of his fame, Clay insisted that Dice was merely a stage persona and didn’t reflect his true beliefs — that women, especially those who’d sleep with a guy like him, were all worthless “hoo-ahs” (or “whores,” in the parlance of his time) just out to get a man’s money and strip him of any personality he might otherwise have. Basically, Larry the Cable Guy owes his entire career to the Dice Man’s business plan, as does Tom Leykis for filling the void when America tired of his particular macho antics. And his career seemed dead in the hair gel for over a decade before Woody Allen cast him against depth in his new film, Blue Jasmine, wherein Clay is getting the best critical reviews of his life. But in the realm of stand-up it’s far too easy to conflate persona and person, and Clay remains unapolgetic about his still-sexist stage presence. Does one performance really wash out 20 years of grease and filth?


Michael Bay
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We like to make fun of Michael Bay around here. Well, everyone everywhere does, really. It’s just so easy. Jingoism. Baysplosions. His Baynis. The dude crafts flicks that are meant to be the cinematic equivalent of a roller coaster ride, and each successive movie is the biggest, fastest one yet made. That’s fine, there’s a place for all kinds of film projects and audiences eat it up. But Bay’s movies also contain copious amounts of poorly written, poorly cast, and lasciviously shot female characters. Whatever you think of her, Megan Fox has shown she’s at least more capable than only being Shia Labeouf’s scantily clad, zero-story love interest, and who can blame the lady for wanting to get out from under his supposedly Nazi-like thumb. And if the rumors that she had to wash Bay’s car, in a bikini, while he video taped it for her Transformers audition are true, that’s more damning about what kind of person — what kind of man — he is than all those movies’ racist robots put together. But, of course, Transformers 4 is on the horizon and Bay’s take on the aforementioned Ninja Turtles is being filmed right now, with Megan Fox back on the payroll and already reduced to bouncing boobs as reporter April O’Neil, the only female character in the series. Do we blame Fox for that? Isn’t that a little like blaming Rihanna, or any victim of abuse, especially when it’s systemic? She needs to eat and pay her bills, and if Bay is hiring when no one else will, what’s she supposed to do? It’s too bad that Chris O’Dowd publicly calling him an asshole probably won’t have any negative effect on Michael Bay’s future box office receipts.


Roman Polanski
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Perhaps it’s a bit unfair to include an accused (and basically admitted) statutory rapist in a list of misogynists that includes wife and girlfriend beaters, as well as Hollywood players that objectify women in their art. After all, if you believe Polanski’s story, everything was consensual and the only crime was a silly matter of American law leftover from the Puritans, saying a child is anyone under the age of 18 and therefore cannot legally consent to sex. And it’s not like Polanski’s film work treats women as horribly as he seems to treat them in real life. Then again, the new book by Polanski’s victim makes it pretty clear that she’s of the same belief as the law, and that she was indeed raped — statutory or not. So maybe it isn’t fair to the other guys listed here, who, as far as we know, at least never raped anyone. And none of the other dickbags above have made such obtuse statements as Polanski did at this year’s Cannes, stating, “Offering flowers to a lady has become indecent … The pill has greatly changed the place of women in our times, masculinising her. It chases away the romance in our lives.” He also added that “trying to level the genders is purely idiotic” and female equality in general is “a great pity.” It’s almost like he got away with rape and doesn’t care who knows it. But, of course, Hollywood players like Jodie Foster (and Kate Winslet, and Christoph Waltz, and John C. Reilly) continue to work with him, so he continues to get his arguably great films premiered at the world’s largest film festival.

What’s the world coming to? Unfortunately, nothing it hasn’t already come to before.


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  • Maddy

    I know nothing about Moby but there's something so refreshing about seeing a guy calling out misogyny. Also Chris O'Dowd is awesome but everyone already knew that. Also note to Robin Thicke, there are no blurred lines when it comes to consent. FFS

  • kirbyjay

    I've always felt that Charlie Sheen has really bad breath

  • amurph11

    I'm only going to say this one more time: Roman Polanski is not an accused child rapist. He was charged and convicted of the rape of a thirteen year old girl, and then skipped out on his sentence and has since, bafflingly, been forgiven by most of Hollywood under the excuse that not being able to make award-winning films in America has been punishment enough. There's nothing "accused" about it.

  • Batesian

    "Shitcom"? Perfect.

  • Idle Primate

    Remember when pajiba was a cool smart movie site? Now its vying with jezz while at the same time titillating itself with celeb gossip and shirtless man pics. At least pic a corner hypocrites

  • Mrs. Julien

    I swear to God, people have been claiming Pajiba has betrayed its mission statement since Day Two of the site's existence. It's a popular culture site. Not every minute of every day can be filled with reviews, and the shirtless pander has been here as long as I can remember.

  • TCH

    It seems that many news and or review are switching from doing analysis and information to opinions in the form of blogs as it is probably much easier and much cheaper than reportage and analysis.

  • TCH

    Edit review sites.

  • Brooke the Replicant

    Boy Mel Gibson's arms are Robin Williams-level hairy.

  • I don't know, I think it's more than a bit unfair to conflate men who are guilty of nothing more than sophomoric tastelessness (Bay, Clay) with a man who drugged and sodomized a thirteen year old girl.

  • And so it goes....

    This was very thought provoking. And disturbing

  • Billybob

    I'm kind of surprised that nobody's mentioned Sean Penn yet. Is he just that talented?

  • Mrs. Julien

    We're just that good at pretending he doesn't exist.

    I love it when Kathy Griffin talked about meeting Sean Penn and said he was "visibly crazy".

  • TCH

    He did tie Madonna to a chair and he also shot at helicopter once.

  • Mrs. Julien

    I wasn't going to drag that into it. He's a crazy psycho spouse abusing bastard.

  • Polanski is not an accused rapist. He is a convicted rapist. Hence, he is a rapist in the eyes of law and all this "accused" or "supposed" stuff is another way to let the guy off the hook. Unless his conviction is overturned, he should be referred to as a convicted rapist.

    Other than that, I agree that a lot of the people listed here are sort of old news. Surely we can poke holes in more recent icons who have exhibited deplorable behavior. It's not as though we lack for them.

  • Xikar

    I don't feel like weighing in on the sexist mysoginist thing for like the 100th time this week (although fair play we did get a nice respite with the pedophile angle of Weird Science), so instead I will say your off mark with saying Gibson has been relegated to low profile work, as he's the heavy in two franchise sequels this years alone with Machete and Expendables 3. He's an asshole, but getting steady work playing one now.

  • guest

    Do these men hate women? As in, all of women-kind? Or did they commit an offense against a specific woman? I don't think mysogyny is the correct word to use here.

    I'm not defending the actions of these men - the crimes they commited against women are bad, unpleasant, repulsive actions. But is it fair to judge some of them on perhaps one, or two, moments in their lives as women hating troglodytes?

    Roman Polanski's crime was heinous and he should face punishment. But Mel Gibson? He 'alledgedly' did something, that does not mean he actually did it, you are innocent untill proven guilty.

  • ERM

    What about a serial killer who targets solely women? Would you consider him a misogynist or would you say that since he only killed SOME women, he isn't really misogynist. I think you are mincing words and may want to do some research on "misogyny."

    My metaphor might be extreme, but I'm trying to get my point across simply.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Well, Paula Deen is a racist, and I'm pretty sure she didn't use pejorative terms to every black person she met, so I'm not sure I understand your metaphor.
    Also, given the freedom, resources and the time, who's to say that serial killer wouldn't kill all the women in the world? It's not like they have a kill limit.

  • ERM

    Sorry, that was my point. That it does NOT make sense to argue that just because a misogynist only targets specific women that he is not a misogynist. I did not state it eloquently.

  • guest

    Your metaphor doesn't work. None of these guys have killed women simply for the fact they are women. None of theses guys, to my knowledge, have 'targetted' women.

    My definition of mysogny is the hatred of women. I don't see any proof that these guys exhibit a hatred of women, just cases where they have mistreated some women.

    That doesn't make their actions right, but it isn't 'misogyny'.

  • ERM

    And further, if the definition of misogyny was as narrow as you make it out to be, the concept would be completely useless and the word may as well be stricken from the English language. Although I assume you would be fine with that result, since you seem so bothered by the fact that we've applied that term to a child rapist and men who beat their significant others.

  • ERM

    And reading an entry in the dictionary does not count as "research." Misogyny is a complicated concept.

  • ERM

    There is no way to prove that anyone hates ALL women. You can infer that someone is a misogynist by the way they treat the women in their lives. The way you state it, someone would have to meet all of the women in the world, decide that he/she hates them, and only then could correctly be considered a misogynist. I think it is clear from the way these men have treated the women in their lives that they are in fact misogynists.

  • guest

    In my original post, I made it clear that the actions commited by these men were not equal.

    I'm not sure what you make misogyny to be. Are you going to take an hour or two of these mens lives, and 'infer' that they are something?

    If i was going to make any sort of judgement on these men, I'd rather have a clear picture of their actions throughout their entire lives, than an article that only picks out the worst they have done.

    (Barring Polanski, as he hasn't paid for his crime in anyway)

  • Guest

    Wow, relax

  • ERM

    Will do, thanks for the advice internet stranger.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Well, I feel like we're getting stuck on the word hate. The continued sexual objectification of women is certainly playing into misogynist culture. I'm not sure that Michael Bay would say he hates women, but can we agree that his continued portrayal of women as sexual objects with zero personality contributes to the degradation of women in society?

  • guest

    I think that's a little simplified. From what I remember of Transformers 1, Fox's character had about as much personality as Leboufs. Which is to say, very little.

    Lebouf was a teenage guy who wanted to get laid. He had a weird dog and a cool car. That's pretty much it.

    Fox was a hot teenage girl who dumped her jock boyfriend. She could fix car engines because of her dad, and had a troubled childhood because he was a criminal.

    The only problem I see is that Fox was also a sex symbol in the movie - the scene where she leans over the car glistening in sweat.

    So yes, she may have been sexually objectified in the movie, but the substance of her character was on par with the main guys.

  • ERM

    "I'm not a misogynist. I didn't beat/rape ALL the women."

    It's not the best defense.

  • Idle Primate

    More to the point are some crazy addicts, a crass comedian from 30 years ago, an ongoing domestic dispute and a fugitive from a 40 years old rape an argument for global systemic misogyny?

    This is another example of perhaps this site should stick to celeb gossip

  • chanohack

    Good list. Honest question: did you consider Eli Roth? Did he not make the cut, or not come to mind?

  • Bea Pants

    I'd definitely call Eli Roth sexist, but not misogynist.

  • I don't know, if you're going to tar Clay with that brush on the basis of a twenty year old comedic persona, I'd say a man who made a series of sex torture films qualifies as well.

  • Bea Pants

    Personally I don't know that I would tar Clay with the same brush. I think the term "misogyny" is often used when "sexist" would suffice. I don't think Roth or Clay HATE women but they do have issues with women and good taste.

  • That's a fair point and for what's it's worth I think you're right about 'misogyny' vs. 'sexism.'

  • RhymesWithSilver

    You know, pretty much every one of these guys has a diagnosable mental illness. This is no better than my Facebook friend who wrote a screed about a man on the bus filled with "misogyny and hate" who was CLEARLY suffering from mental illness. The guy was muttering aloud that he could "smell all the vaginas", and saying the bus was covered in "woman juices". And my nearly ex-friend unquestioningly asserted that this guy's problem was misogyny. We stare at Charlie Sheen not because we like him, but because he's such an entertaining sideshow freak. It's no longer acceptable to profit from displaying physical oddities, but we can plunk down our money to ogle Sheen because it's also OK bill him as a misogynist scumbag, as though he's totally in control of himself.

    Gibson, Sheen, Brown- they are all ticking time bombs. We watch them the way we watch NASCAR, just waiting for the crash. We feel OK mocking their sickness because articles like this tell us it's OK, because they are specifically horrible to women. But women also enjoy the spectacle these guys create, and are part of the problem. Who reads clickbait about Gibson's latest meltdown? I do, so I'm guilty, too. We pass these guys a buck because we like their creations (which to some extent DO stand independent of their personalities), but they also make us feel better about ourselves- gender notwithstanding. We like feeling better than these men AND the women they exploit/who exploit them for cash, fame and drugs. If they were torturing cats and dogs, though, none of these bastards would ever see the light of day again. We pay handsomely for the opportunity to feel superior, and it's not only men who are the problem.

  • ERM

    "We like feeling better than these men AND the women they exploit"

    For me personally, that is not true at all. I have no desire to feel better than exploited women. That's a very ignorant comment.

    "If they were torturing cats and
    dogs, though, none of these bastards would ever see the light of day
    again."

    Counterpoint: Michael Vik.

  • RhymesWithSilver

    Well, maybe you personally don't enjoy feeling superior, but that is why I think so many of people line the pockets of these guys and their representatives. It's a circus side show. Sure, you can be mentally ill and an asshole, and sure, some people can be mentally ill and not assholes. But men who actively hate and abuse women likely have issues that can be treated. And anyway my point is that we're not lionizing them; we're paying to stare. They may be rich, but "successful" and "influential" are the wrong words for the majority of guys on this list.

    Also, Michael Vick actually sought help for his issues, and I believe he has rehabilitated himself and is trying to help others, but what he did will haunt him to his grave as much as what Christ Brown did to Rihanna. People will never forgive him for animal abuse. But go read his thoughts on what he did- I found him genuinely contrite and rather insightful.

  • ERM

    I don't see how it is useful to compare rich, successful, and influential men to a man with mental illness on a bus.

    Also, there are plenty of wonderful people with mental illness who are not sexist or misogynist and there are lots of sexists and misogynists who are not mentally ill.

    I have problems with your comment all around, basically.

  • Artemis

    I take your point to an extent, but I'm not comfortable with diagnosing every guy who beats a woman as mentally ill. What evidence are you relying on for your assumption that Chris Brown has a mental illness that caused him to hit Rihanna? I agree that Gibson and Sheen probably have mental issues (and/or drug addictions), but what evidence is there that those undisclosed issues caused them to engage in domestic violence? Or is it just that they appear so angry and out-of-control during those incidents that you think they must actually not be able to control it? Because by that logic, a whole lot of domestic abuse would get excused as an "illness."

    On top of which: you can be mentally ill and an asshole. Or mentally ill and a misogynist. Lots of people with mental illnesses don't beat women or scream slurs at them. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a paranoid man on the bus screaming about things is not actively engaging in misogyny. But someone who uses drugs or is an alcoholic and then goes on rampages targeting women, particularly women with whom they're involved? I'm not going to say that's just totally random and thus not active misogyny.

  • Artemis

    I appreciate the thought behind this list, but I'm kind of confused by the content and timing. Everything here is really old news, with the exception of Cory Feldman, who I wouldn't even include on a list like this. Yes, he's gross and his "angels" are sexist and skeevy. But his career implosion is also old news, and was unrelated to his attitudes toward women. Additionally, with the exception of Michael Bay and Chris Brown, everyone listed here is someone that (rightfully) gets called out a LOT for this behavior (and in Pajiba-land, Brown and Bay get plenty of that as well).

    Why not talk about some of the people who have more recent offenses and generally DON'T take shit for it? Or older offenses that have basically been forgotten? John Lennon was horrifically abusive to his first wife, and is still lionized everywhere. Sean Connery hit his first wife, and said in interviews that it's fine to smack women. Sean Bean hasn't been convicted of anything (as is often the case with domestic violence), but one of his ex-wives has alleged he hit her and he was arrested twice and had police called for "domestic" incidents with her four or five other times. Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond on LOST) was accused of sexual harassment by a woman who worked on the show, and the lawsuit settled for an undisclosed amount. There are many more examples out there.

  • kirbyjay

    Not to defend Sean Bean but.....wait a minute, that sounded like "no offense but"......anyway..
    SB and his "4th wife" together had a pretty heavy affair with alcohol and he was also arrested while black and blue and heavily scratched. I don't think he is a serial wife beater but the victim/abuser of a very bad relationship fueled by the spirits. I'm actually saddened by the Sean Bean of today. Happily, they are now divorced, seems they brought out the worst in each other. I personally think she was trying to further her non-existent film career through him. Yes, there are women who do such a thing, and no, not all women are the same. I guess that's the definition of misogyny, all women are the same.

  • Idle Primate

    Where in hell do you live where domestic violence isn't punished? In Canada it is harshly punished and the mere accusation is a scarlet letter. In fact men often get cnvicted whether they are the perpetrator or victim. We certainly have a had written rule to arrest the male.

    I see so much indignant righteous hysteria that seems partly lodged in the past and partly pure delusion from endless propaganda.

    And if we're talkin rich folk well then men and women often skate and even then whatever reality is if it was domestic its the guy who gets branded for life.

  • ViciousTrollop

    Seriously?

  • guest

    I know. I always thought, after reading about him, that John Lennon was an asshole. He neglected his child to the point where he says that Paul McCartney is his real father. He mistreated women. He was a giant hypocrite; 'Imagine there is no money' he sang, with millions of dollars in his bank account. Total Jackass in my eyes.

  • chanohack

    John Lennon had lots of issues, and he didn't treat Cynthia right at all, letting her walk in on him and Yoko instead of like, telling her there was someone else he wanted to marry instead. But I wouldn't call him "horrifically abusive." Selfish. Thoughtless. Cripplingly non-confrontational (see also: Paul and George). Abusive, okay, but "horrifically" abusive? I'd disagree.

  • Artemis

    Lennon was physically abusive to Cynthia. Not once, but throughout the relationship. She's described it, he admitted to it, third parties witnessed some of it.

  • chanohack

    No, he was physically abusive to Cynthia exactly once, and she immediately left his ass. He begged her for months to come back. I'm not apologizing for him, and he didn't deserve a second chance, but she loved him and gave it to him on the condition that he never hit her again. He swore he wouldn't, and he never did.

    At least, that's what she said in her biography. Pretty good source.

  • Artemis

    Yes, in her (most recent) book she said he slapped her only once. Frankly, I highly doubt that was true (for example, cleaning woman saw him hitting her on another occasion before they were married, and other biographers have said it happened repeatedly). But even assuming it is, here's an actual quote from Lennon himself: "I used to be cruel to my woman. Physically—any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women." "I hit women" doesn't mean once and it never happened again. If you want to think he only hit Cynthia once, fine. But he hit other women on other occasions. It was not a one-time mistake; it was a pattern of behavior.

  • TCH

    If I am not correct Lennon was generally violent to everyone though he did admit to hitting women.

  • chanohack

    Also, John Lennon was not a misogynist. He treated his first wife badly, but he treated a lot of people badly (Pete Best comes to mind). He also treated a lot of people really well, including a lot of women (specifically his mother, sisters, aunt who raised him, and Yoko). I'm not saying the dude didn't have problems-- he was fucked up from an early age. His family life was bonkers. They never talked about anything-- his little sisters didn't even know their mom died in a car wreck until years and years later because no one talked about unpleasant things. And then he became famous so young and never had to do anything he didn't like, or really anything that he didn't actively want to do, like wait in line, carry his luggage, make dinner reservations, call a cab. The Beatles were barely adults that lived like children for years, with all the details of their lives planned out. It's a shame, but no wonder that he sucked at things like talking to his wife and seeing things from her perspective.

  • ERM

    I agree that would have been a more interesting and useful list. Perhaps rather than Chris Brown's violent tendencies towards women, the Pajiba readership may want to acknowledge Michael Fassbender's violent history towards women. Brown's popularity is already on the decline. Fassbender is getting more and more exposure, especially around Pajiba.

    And that was just the best example I could come up with. I'm sure there are lots of more relevant people whose sexism/misogyny should be called out.

  • Wigamer

    I'm sure I'll be shouted down, but there's not a lot of evidence to back up the Fassbender claim. There's just as much evidence to suggest that that *particular* woman has made the same accusation against more than one man. NOT saying it's not true, but a single (possibly unfounded, 6-month-post-relationship) accusation is a far cry from John Lennon, Chris Brown, and Roman Polanski's actual admissions of guilt.

    Again, I grew up watching my mother physically abused by men...it's not something I take lightly AT ALL. I also understand how devastating it can be when someone is accused of something they didn't do, when their name is dragged through the mud and they have almost no way to disprove the allegations. Down vote at your leisure.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I don't think we have the energy or resources to make a comprehensive list. I'll go ahead and add Steve McQueen, Robert Mitchum and Matthew Fox.

  • Berry

    Yes, but seriously, Polanski, pontificating on the effects of The Pill for relationships between men and women? What is this, 1972? Get some new material.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Loretta Lynn did it better, anyway.

  • Dumily

    I understand how the Polanski case came to be misconstrued over the years, but I really wish we would stop referring to him as a "statutory rapist" and start calling referring to him properly as a "child rapist." This wasn't a case where a 16 year old girl had a consensual sexual relationship with a 21 year old man. Polanski drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl. His work might portray women well enough, but he's a monster.

  • Billybob

    While she begged him to stop, remember. That's the part that really got to me. Her statement remains one of the most horrifying things I have ever read.

  • Berry

    It's amazing how much it really has come to be misconstrued. Reading papers in my country, you'd think he was practically a political exile, unjustly persecuted. It's fairly sickening.

  • Kate at June

    This is constantly forgotten. HE DRUGGED HER. He planned it. I don't understand how anyone can forgive this disgusting excuse for a man.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I totally judge every movie start that defends him. I don't know how you could possibly defend anything about that incident.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Not only that, but his comments about the incident are just horrifying.

  • Uriah_Creep

    And the comments he made about women referenced in this article make me dislike him even more, which was a tough thing to do.

  • Mpat

    This site has turned into the drunk girl that you avoid at a party. Every other post has to remind us how great the contributors are because they firmly believe that the objectification of women is bad you guys! Please recommend some other sites that keep making very relevant references to Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson. Sarah Silverman can make jokes about race, incest, child molestation and rape, just don't call her old!

  • TCH

    I am going to have to agree with the spirit of this comment. I come to pajiba for recaps of shows I like and the occasional review of a film I have not seen. However lately Pajiba has gotten weird. It seems to beat dead horses. The Mass Effect 3 circle jerking was cringe worthy.

  • ERM

    The Mass Effect 3 circle jerking couldn't have been that bad because I visit this site every day and I have NO idea what you are referring to.

  • TCH

    It died down but, for a time almost any video game related article or even idea was tied back to ME 3 and how it was great. This problematic in that Pajiba has been trying to cover video games. Which is tough to do when you mostly focus on one game.

  • jon29

    There was a Mass Effect 3 circle jerk here, and I missed it?!? Can we do another?

    *undoes top 3 buttons*

    I thought the ending was OK, and I made a bad choice somewhere and couldn't save Tali.

    *undoes next 3 buttons*

    I don't understand why people get so mad about ME3 DLC. More DLC is more better!

    *loosens belt buckle*

    I really didn't like how multiplayer was required for the best ending, at first, because I'm not much of a multiplayer gamer. But you know what? I really liked ME3 multiplayer.

    *slides hand into pants*

    I REALLY LIKED THE KINECT VOICE COMMANDS DURING COMBAT!

    *spent*

  • TCH

    I like your moves, we should do this again. I was referencing the 100 plus articles on pajiba, always mentioning how ME3 was great. I am all for video games being able to tell more stories through more realistically fleshed out men and women, but ME 3 was a c+ B- at best hindered by numerous plot holes and corporate dick baggery. Also which spoon do you want to be?

  • jon29

    Jeepers. I'm kind of tall, so I'm usually the big spoon, but sometimes I just want to be held, you know?

  • TCH

    I know it is tough. I think we can make it work if we try,

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    So does that make you the drunk frat dude at the party that "negs' the drunk girl in hopes of lowering her self esteem and sleeping with her? Seriously, why click on the link? You knew what the subject was.

    Granted, Gibson is a bit of last year's news, but Charlie Sheen held a knife to his wife's throat and how did we react? We gave him a speaking tour and a new show on FX.
    As for Silverman, old is only an insult to women. No one called Seth Rogen old, it was about letting her know that once her uterus stopped working, she was worthless.

  • Mpat

    1. I'm a woman. 2. I don't think that it's ok to makes jokes about rape and child molestation (or base your entire career around being *gasp* a girl that says outrageous things) and then call foul when someone calls you old at a Comedy Central roast. 3 Now that you've "neg"ed me, I totally want to go home with you.

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    Focus, don't lose sight of the dream!

    Hear ye, hear ye! Sarah Silverman, we bind and rebuke thee, have always rolled our eyes at your constant direction of your lameness and derision at everyone who isn't exactly like you whilst conveniently keeping your own ass up your ass and condemn thee to the lowest pits of the Def Comedy Jam rectory, where the brick wall responds to white people like this: ...

    and responds to black people like this:

    ...aw, dayum!

    Since we agree on that on that dream sequence needing to be realized, everything else is secondary. Stew in the autumn-spiced nog of this jeweled sorority of mutual understanding, this nexus of shit-fits deconstructed, this glossy togetherness posset of compromise, yon hags--I mean, my fellow esteemed ladies. Also, fight the real enemy, Dads hasn't been cancelled, yet.

    And I'm going you to act as my bodyguards because that woman has a following here and I don't.

  • Jo 'Mama' Besser

    Going to *need* bodyguards. Just check out how rife with typos this post is, my time may be at hand. My ransom is listed as 500 Carrot Tops and I look awful in orange and growth hormones. I am a black hostage, shit's getting real. Arsenio, uplift me.

    Good lord, Benadryl. Blame it on the ragweed, good night and I apologise.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    1. Being a woman doesn't change what I said, I used frat boy because that was the attitude you were conveying. I'm sorry you're not interested in the issues, but why read the article knowing that you're going to be annoyed - it seems like you want a confrontation.

    2. I don't like Silverman, so we're of the same mind on that, but I wasn't saying she was a brilliant comic, I was pointing out that Old is an insult used on women, not men. Also, to my knowledge, Silverman has never physically threatened/raped/harmed anyone. I will say it's interesting that Lenny Bruce is a genius for doing the same thing but Silverman needs to shut her mouth.
    3. Sweet. Since we're both chicks, we can totally film it so boys will like us more!

  • Mpat

    I agree with you on all points.

    1. Saying that this site devotes a lot of space to glibly cover obvious social issues that all of it's readers agree with is something that a drunk frat boy would do.

    2.I somehow implied that Sarah Silverman threatened someone. Also, Lenny Bruce and junk.

    3. Why do I get the feeling from this comment that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a drunk frat boy?

  • ERM

    Your "drunk girl at a party" metaphor kind of made all your other comments suspect. I think some people may have misinterpreted your comments. I mostly agree with your points, but the way you said them gave me pause.

  • Mpat

    This is good feedback. I was actually making a reference to the SNL Weekend Update Character.

  • ERM

    Ah, now that you mention SNL, I get the reference.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    1. Isn't glibness sort of the bread and butter of entertainment sites? As for the rest, you're right, you only said drunken, so I went with the easy frat boy metaphor - which I still think is apt, but we can agree to disagree.
    2. You compared Silverman to the men listed above, I was merely pointing out that her sins (of being a a not very good or interesting comedian) are not on par with people who actually threaten/harm others. And hey, I liked my Lenny Bruce allusion!
    3. I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is drunk or a frat boy. If so I fear for your liver and livers of numerous others. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're sober, given your punctuation and spelling.
    4. Numerated lists are fun! Fight the patriarchy!

  • Mpat

    1. Glibness, yes. Half assed social commentary, no.
    2. I never compared Silverman to these guys. I was referencing an earlier article.
    3. Thanks soul sister. Give me a hug!
    4. The number system has kept our dialogue reasonably civil and totally structured! Let's call it a night and pick this up when Louis CK makes another joke about rape.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    1. I still feel the tone is appropriate to the intents of the website, but ok. My initial inquiry still stands: Why read it if you find it so tiring and silly? Why up the page views?
    2. I thought by referencing Silverman you were in fact saying that the same standards of judgement should be applied to her. That's what I was referring to. If not, than I'm sorry about the mix up, let's just agree she's not very funny.

    3. I've always wanted a soul sister, this is exciting! Do we go for manicures or just gossip? Can I now start saying "twinsies" in conversation?

    4. I actually like the numerical format, it is great for organizing thought. And I do believe this was a fun and civil debate (hell, for the internet, it was practically a love fest). I also don't believe I ever said rape jokes were cool, but I'm glad we can agree on that too (I think it's the soul sister thing).

  • Mrs. Julien

    Be grateful it isn't another article about Breaking Bad.

  • emmalita

    Be quiet you! I treasure each and every Breaking Bad post.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see her repressing me? You saw her, didn't you?

  • emmalita

    I'll show you the violence inherent in the system!

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    You guys are the best.

  • emmalita

    No you are!

  • Mrs. Julien

    emmalita, angel of upvotes.

  • Sir Upp

    Of course there are extreme sexist and misogynistic men in Hollywood. Everything in Hollywood is a twisted and skewed version of the real world. Being a rich and famous celebrity is like living in Neverland. They have no need to grow up or mature, and in fact they are rewarded for their excess. Also let's not for a minute think that sexism and disrespect of other people is exclusive to men.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Bill Maher has a major problem with women. I once watched him make a sweeping generalization about how all women make sweeping generalizations, and hearing him talk about Playboy mansion parties is both eye-opening and disheartening.

  • cgthegeek

    You haven't lived until you've seen him hitting on Black women at the Crenshaw mall. And failing miserably.

  • e jerry powell

    He's not so great with the gays, either, but at least the gays he has on the show can see it coming and are prepared to defend themselves.

    That, and he seems loath to fuck with Kerry Washington, as well he should be.

  • Davis

    You're either dumb or just ignore the fact that ALL women make sweeping generalizations about all men.

    Look at every 'feminist blog' on the internet men are either neanderthals, rapists or just dumb little boys. It's ridiculious that women don't like truths about themselves without accusing someone of being a misogynist.

    Theres not gonna be an article about all the women who have divorced hollywood men, taken their money and ran their name threw the mud and about the lack of press coverage for emma roberts beating her boyfriend "allegedley' just like gibson apparently did with no proof

    *cue thumbs down and comment about me hating women*

  • TK

    Ugh, look, everyone else is dancing around it so what the fuck, I'll just say it:

    You're an ignorant dickbag.

  • L.O.V.E.

    Trolling, trolling, trolling,

    trolling down the river.

  • ERM

    There was a post on Pajiba about Emma Roberts beating her boyfriend, actually.

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