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Ranking the Impossible: The 5 Best Sorkin Characters

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (54)



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What I’m about to ask of you all is the impossible. It’s a frustrating, soul-destroying endeavor. It cannot be done. It can’t be done to anyone’s satisfaction, least of all your own. You will wrestle with it. You will torture yourself. You will scratch out names 15 times, and when you’re done, you still won’t be happy. You could spend 10 seconds or 10 days, and you will not complete the list in a manner that pleases you. Every person that you leave off will create a crater-sized ache in your chest. You may see my list, or someone else’s list, and that list will make you angry. Because it’s not the RIGHT list. But there is no right list. It’s an impossible task.

It is this: Rank the 5 Best Aaron Sorkin characters.

That includes ALL of them: “Sports Night,” “West Wing,” “Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip,” The Social Network, The American President and even A Few Good Men. Get your rankings in now, because in a few weeks, you’ll have to contend with characters from Moneyball. And please, don’t fool yourself into think that because the people of The Social Network or, later, Moneyball are real that they aren’t Sorkin characters. They are, and you can hear it in every line they deliver.

And no cheating. I know you’re going to want to include an honorable mention. Or ten. You might even want to combine characters from one show, reasoning that they worked together so frequently, it only seems natural. But that ruins the point. The point is not to rank the best 10 or the best 20. It’s about ranking the Best 5. Because it can’t be done. Finding a number one? Maybe. I feel comfortable with my number one. Maybe even number two. But I feel seriously at ease about three through five. I’m itching to change them. But I know that, no matter how many times I do, it won’t matter. It still won’t be the right list.

Let’s see you do better.


5. Mark Zuckerberg

4. Toby Ziegler

3. Dan Rydell

2. CJ Cregg

1. President Bartlet









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Comments

President Bartlett- he would rank high on my list if only because he was the character that Was Not To Be.

Posted by: lilianna28 at August 31, 2011 12:04 PM

Winkelvi > Zuckerberg

Posted by: maka at August 31, 2011 12:05 PM

I would maybe remove Zuckerberg for Sam Seaborn. But then that ignores Lewis Rothschild from The American President. The Winkelvi are SO well written though! What about Colonel Jessup? @#$%! It's impossible! @#$% you for this brainworm!

Posted by: JByrd at August 31, 2011 12:18 PM

At first I thought this would be a piece of cake but then I sat down to list my favorites that "oh shit" moment came. Of course CJ had to be my number 1. She's one of my favorite characters ever, not just a Sorkin favorite. But the rest of the list was difficult. I'm sure if I made this list tomorrow at least half of it would be different.

5. Erica Albright
4. Josh Lyman
3. Sydney Ellen Wade
2. Dan Rydell
1. CJ Cregg

Posted by: Arrogant Ambassador at August 31, 2011 12:18 PM

5. President Bartlett
4. Jeremy Goodwin
3. Josh Lyman
2. Dan Rydell
1. Leo McGarry

Posted by: brian at August 31, 2011 12:23 PM

Leapfrog Toby over CJ, replace Zuckerberg (only because I haven't seen the movie) with Isaac Jaffe, and you have my list.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 31, 2011 12:24 PM

I loved President Andrew Shephard's ( Michael Douglas)speech at the end of The American President. So true.

Sorkin also creates intelligent women with no bimbo factor ( CJ, Sydney Wade, Mrs. Prez Bartlett, Nancy McNally)

and Martin Sheen was so good as chief of staff AJ in The American President that he was elected president in the West Wing

favorite characters? all of them

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 31, 2011 12:26 PM

See, now I want to put Leo on the list, but for some reason I can't seem to articulate, I think Leo's success is really dependent on Tommy Mullaney* more than Sorkin. So it's still

1) Jed - no, Toby - no, Jed
2) Toby
3) Dan - no, CJ - no, I can't have 3 WW people in a row, so Dan
4) CJ
5) Isaac - no, Jeremy - no, Isaac

*No matter how long it's been, I always think of John Spencer like this: Leo/ I mean Tommy/ I mean John Spencer.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 31, 2011 12:35 PM

No Roger Rees as Lord John Marbury?

Posted by: Arkansan at August 31, 2011 12:35 PM

Gerald!

This is too hard, but mine would all be West Wing characters, mostly cos I'm watching it (again) at the moment. Season 6. Oh I miss Sam. I'm sure I didn't the first few times.

Posted by: Carrie at August 31, 2011 12:42 PM

Of all of Aaron Sorkin's work, I am ashamed to say I have only seen (devoured obsessively?) The West Wing and The American President. Though I plan to fix that soon, it makes this task ever so slightly easier. But only slightly, because the man is a genius.
1. President Bartlet
2. C.J. Cregg
3. Leo McGarry
4. Toby Ziegler
5. Crap. Charlie? Andrew Shepard? Sydney Ellen Wade? Josh Lyman? Santos?
Goddammit this is hard.

Posted by: BiblioGeek at August 31, 2011 12:42 PM

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 31, 2011 12:48 PM

Even though she's a minor character, I love the crap out of Ainsley Hayes to the point where she'd probably make my top 5. But then where are Charlie and Leo and Bartlett and CJ and Sam and Toby supposed to.. well, shit.

Posted by: beckster at August 31, 2011 12:51 PM

1. CJ Cregg. Accept no substitutes.
2. Andrew Shephard
3. Sidney Allen Wade
4. Leo McGarry
5. Toby Ziegler

Posted by: figgy at August 31, 2011 12:59 PM

Maybe I'd swap Leo in for Toby, but otherwise I'm with you Rowles. My biggest concern is that Dan Rydell wouldn't be properly appreciated.

Posted by: Tao at August 31, 2011 1:02 PM

Damn you for making me do this.

Here goes:

5. Lt. Daniel Kaffee (he was the prototype for so many impossibly smart, young, cocky dudes. Has to be included)

4. Rep. Charlie Wilson

3. CJ Cregg

2. Josh Lyman

1. Dr. Jed Hill (just kidding)
1. Pres. Josiah Bartlet

That physically hurt. Stripped of any real rules, i'd have doubled up based on characters that are really sort of the same person.

5. Toby Ziegler and Leo McGarry (I know they're nothing alike. I'm cheating.)

4. Dan Rydel/Josh Lyman

3. CJ Cregg/Dana Whitaker

2. Casey McCall/Sam Seaborn

1. Presidents Josiah Bartlet/Andrew Shepherd

Posted by: Martin at August 31, 2011 1:10 PM

OK. In terms of TV characters, we can categorize.

5. The young, attractive, brilliant writer. Dan Rydell/Sam Seaborn. Aaron Sorkin's mouthpiece for issues like drugs and school vouchers.
4. The MAN. Casey McCall/Josh Lyman. Smart, a little bit of a jerk, and has personal drama!
3. The woman who starts off BADASS but later is marginalized to a more romantic role. Dana Whittaker/CJ Cregg. Watch her outfits get tighter as the show goes on!
2. The impassioned guy who makes speeches. Toby Ziegler/Jeremy Goodwin. Super liberal on issues like hunting and PBS.
1. My fictional grandfathers: Josiah Bartlet/Isaac Jaffee.

Also, we should be counting The Farnsworth Invention in this. Because even though it was on Broadway, it was basically the best thing ever. But it doesn't fit my categories either.

Posted by: esme at August 31, 2011 1:15 PM

What if I don't like any of the things he's done?

Posted by: Adam C at August 31, 2011 1:17 PM

"What if I don't like any of the things he's done?"

Then, you're a long way from home sonny!

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 31, 2011 1:19 PM

1. Josiah Bartlet
2. Josh Lyman
3. C. J. Cregg
4. Toby Ziegler
5. Danny Tripp

Fuck, that hurt. The man is a genius writer. And now I'm sad that Studio 60 never got a second season (fuck you 30 Rock!) Sigh.

Posted by: Scully at August 31, 2011 1:30 PM

I refuse to let this ruin my morning.

I refuse to let this ruin my morning.

I refuse to let this Well of course Toby and Dan would have to be included, and couldn't we split this question into main characters and recurring charFucking hell. Goddamn you, Rowles!

Posted by: WestCoastPat at August 31, 2011 1:32 PM

1. President Bartlett
2. Martin Sheen's character on West Wing.
3. Jed
4. I can't think of another way of naming this character
5. Captain Hollister

Posted by: superasente at August 31, 2011 1:41 PM

Not reading anyone else's list cause they'll confuse me more.

1.President Bartlet - how can I not have the best president ever? A good man, a good father, a good president

2.Ainsley Hayes - Minor character but so fantastic, she became very important for me, even though she was crazy and a republican. no wait, because she was crazy and wasn't ashamed of she was and her beliefs. I love her speech to her friends about why she took the job "say they want to spend your money, say they are inefficient, that they are doing a bad job, but they are patriots and I AM THEIR LAWYER" paraphrasing, of course, I love that bit.
Sam Seaborn - oh idealist sam, I do love you
but I can't have Sam and Ainsley,there can only be one, can't have both halves of my otp
ok, Ainsley, cause Sam is kinda similar to Jed in some ways and I totally imagining him and Ainsley later getting married and moving into the White House. but who's the president, I'm not sure.

3.Dan Rydell or Josh Lyman? Both are pretty similar. Josh is more arrogant, Dan more charming.
I love them both to bits.ok, Dan, for the charming bit and cause Josh is always taking Donna for granted.

4.Donna Moss, the underappreciated hero, who is so amazing and competent.

5.Dana Whitaker cause she is so incredibly kickass, she and Jordan McDeere are also kinda similar, IMO, and I would like to see them work together.

Posted by: okelay at August 31, 2011 1:48 PM

Damn that Social Network score never gets old. Even a minute and a half transports me completely. Fuck.

Posted by: zeke the pig at August 31, 2011 1:56 PM

I'm surprised American President is getting so much love. That movie is so on-the-nose in its liberal preaching and melodrama that I find it unwatchable. And, yes, I'm every bit the crazy liberal that any of you are and then some. West Wing I buy completely from start to finish.

Anyway, I bow to the attempts of all of you to rank these folks. I certainly can't do it.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 31, 2011 2:04 PM

*contemplates this for about 2 minutes*

*goes to weep quietly in a corner*

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at August 31, 2011 2:11 PM

List has to include Gust Avrakatos.

Posted by: DamnYankees at August 31, 2011 2:27 PM

1. Leo McGarry
2. President Bartlet
3. Sam Seaborn
4. Lt. Caffee
5. Matt Albie

I know no one else liked Studio 60, but I really did. I also loved Lance Corporal Dawson, but he didn't have enough lines/screen time. I'm hoping that the new HBO show and Moneyball can give me a few more characters to throw into the argument against myself.

Posted by: Me at August 31, 2011 2:34 PM

1. CJ Cregg all the way - Unabashed feminism, personal effectiveness, and funny without being made fun of. His best female character and how awesome is it that there are plenty to choose from!
2. President Bartlett
3. Sam Seabron
4. Toby Ziegler
5. Sydney Ellen Wade

Posted by: FyreHaar at August 31, 2011 2:46 PM

i don't really think that it's which Sorkin character is better but rather, i think what it comes down to really is casting.

i believe Sorkin writes and develops characters, their arcs and personalities, better than almost anyone. what makes or breaks a character in his scripts is who is playing them.


and wtf?! why no love for Natalie Hurley?

Posted by: causaubon at August 31, 2011 2:50 PM

I recently watched all of the episodes of Sports Night on Netflix again (btw whatever genius thought to throw a laugh track in there should be shot) and I've watched the West Wing and American President countless times. While the Social Network was good....I personally can't give a spot to a 2 hour movie when WW and SN gave me hours of rich character development. (When Sorkin left WW and John Wells tried to make it an event of the week show the quality dropped like a stone).

That being said:

5. Dan Rydell- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yuwMhvuECw

4. C.J. Cregg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojhg1zTOef8&feature=related

3. Jed Bartlet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FScv89J6rro

2. Josh Lyman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmRYJwK3wM

1. Leo McGarry - this says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJ6yqQRAQs

Posted by: Rubble44 at August 31, 2011 3:10 PM

1. C.J. Cregg
2. Sydney Ellen Wade
3. Leo McGarry
4. Colonel Nathan Jessop
5. Toby Ziegler

Posted by: Julie at August 31, 2011 3:12 PM

5. Josh Lyman
4. Donna Moss
3. Dan Rydell
2. Toby Ziegler
1. CJ Cregg

This is probably an accurate list, although I just love everyone so much. And I would probably have one from "Studio 60" if it hadn't crashed and burned so hard at the end of its run. No one came out alive, except maybe Harriet Hayes and Jack Rudolph.

Posted by: kelsy at August 31, 2011 3:22 PM

The best Sorkin character is Sorkin himself. Duh.

Posted by: Az at August 31, 2011 3:47 PM

Easy-peasey lemon-squeezy:

5. Jack Rudolph. Matt Albie got preachy, Danny Tripp lost points because of the romance with Amanda Can't-Keep-Up, but Jack got to deliver great lines with a "fuck you, I run this town" smirk. Loved it.

4. Colonel Nathan R. Jessup. You're a liar if you're telling me you haven't used one of his lines under your breath as you walked away from your asshole boss/mother-in-law/what-have-you.

3. C.J. Cregg. Way better as Press Secretary than Chief of Staff, and a better character as the former because she got to play off the press questions.

2. Andrew Shepard. Admit it, at least once you've justified a broad freedom of speech argument using his little re-election announcement at the end of the movie.

1. Jed Bartlett. Like you needed another reason.

Posted by: Upstate at August 31, 2011 3:52 PM

No Roger Rees as Lord John Marbury?

Damn you. He was SO AWESOME.
~~~

Posted by: Meander at August 31, 2011 5:14 PM

If I wasn't realistically political, I would vote for Jed Bartlett for president in real life every time. God damn it, why can't he be real?!

Posted by: ChristianH at August 31, 2011 6:24 PM

However, I would like to trade #3 for Danny Tripp. Matt Albie was also terrific, but I would gay marry Danny Tripp.

Posted by: ChristianH at August 31, 2011 6:25 PM

The Social Network was great but none of those characters have the moral fortitude to be on this list. Sadly, I’ve never seen “Sports Night” and, while still an enjoyable film, The American President was indeed to on-the-nose politically and a bit hokey. Now it just feels like a warm up to one of the greatest TV shows ever. This was difficult but…

5. Gust Avrakotos (Almost forgot about him. PSH stole that movie.)

4. Josh Lyman (Sorkin hooked every one of us in the season 2 premier)

3. Col. Nathan R. Jessep (As good as an antagonist can get)

2. President Josiah Bartlett (Just barely edged out by…)

1. Leo McGarry (Rubble44 – that was the first scene I thought of regarding Leo. Amazing. R.I.P. John Spencer)

Posted by: Mentalcase at August 31, 2011 6:41 PM

5. Cal Shanley (Studio 60) While the show was not Sorkins best work Tim Busfield was the human embodiment of the muppet Scooter.

4. Dan Rydell (Sports Night) Not only my favorite character Josh Charles that I wanted to see in something else but basically disappeared until recently

3. Leo McGarry (The West Wing) "Leo will know what to do" That's how important Leo was to the framework of the show.

2. Donna Moss (West Wing) Donna character bridged the gap between the heavy politics and the every day person, and then evovled more than any other character on the show.

1. Josh Lyman (West Wing) From the pilot episode I was hooked and it was Josh's that I was always rooting for.

Bartlett is overrated because of the first four seasons. Seasons five and most of six his arc was easily the least interesting.

Posted by: valetboy at August 31, 2011 7:10 PM

I'm swinging deep for the cheap seats on this one, bitches!

5. Senator Arnold Vinick -- Alan Alda

4. Admiral Percy Fitzwallace -- John Amos

3. White House Counsel Oliver Babish -- Oliver Platt

2. Dr. Stanley Keyworth -- Adam Arkin

1. Judge Roberto Mendoza -- Edward James Olmos

Posted by: gforcetwo at August 31, 2011 7:34 PM

5) Toby
4) Charlie
3) Donnatella Moss
2) C.J.
1) Bartlet

If it had been 10 I would have possibly ventured into American President or Sports Night waters, but I'd likely have just used up the space for more West Wing people. And one of those spots would have gone to Lord John Marbury. Alas, his role was too small for top five, and I haven't seen Sports Night in years, but just started West Wing again a while back and am on season 4. In a few months when that is over and I've seen Sports Night more recently my answers might change. For now I am happy with this list.

Posted by: protoformX at August 31, 2011 7:35 PM

I'm not at all ashamed to say I've just finished The West Wing and am overwhelmed by the characters and the writing. Sure, American President, Social Network, and the like have their strengths, but in my West Wing afterglow I'm still impressed how the bit characters (Charlie, Mrs. Landingham, Ainsley Hayes, John Marbury) held their own so well. My top 5: Donna & Josh, Toby, Leo, C.J. (for the Saudi Arabia bit alone), and Jed Bartlett.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 31, 2011 8:36 PM

Okay, my wife and I went in-depth discussing this:

1. President Bartlett (If I ever meet Martin Sheen, I will only be able to refer to him as Mr. President.)

2. C.J. (She's often an audience plant, but she has such tremendous heart and often breaks through densely written material)

3. Danny Tripp (Romantic, funny, extremely smart, flawed; he's the man I wish I could be)

4. Senator Arnold Vinick (So brilliant and charming that if it weren't for his Republicanism and the fact that he was up against Jimmy Smits, I'd have voted for him)

5. Matt Albie (The perfectly manic ying to Danny Tripp's collected yang. So tough to pick, as my brainy side is telling me Toby Ziegler or Josh Lyman or Mark Zuckerberg. But I've gotta go with me heart on this one)

Posted by: ChristianH at August 31, 2011 9:03 PM

5. Cal Shanley (Studio 60) While the show was not Sorkins best work Tim Busfield was the human embodiment of the muppet Scooter.

OMG, Valetboy, you hit the nail right on the head with that one.

Posted by: ChristianH at August 31, 2011 9:07 PM

I've seen and enjoyed all of Sorkin's big stuff, but all of my top characters would be from The West Wing:

1) Bartlet
2) CJ
3) Leo
4) Charlie
5) Mrs. Landingham or Josh (yes, I cheated, sue me)

Am I the only person who loathes Toby Ziegler? LOATHE. And it's not just that I hate him, but also he seems entirely fucking useless and extraneous most of the time and I just could. not. buy. the storylines in which he was supposed to be having some genius moment.

Posted by: Artemis at August 31, 2011 10:41 PM

Wrong!

#1 is Natalie Hurley. The first and best manic pixie dream girl.

But jeez do I love Toby and Mrs. Landingham.

Posted by: The Mutt at September 1, 2011 12:03 AM

5. Sam Donovan.
- And not just to have someone on my list that hasn't been mentioned yet, or a minor character. Every single time William H. Macy showed up, you knew something awesome was about to happen. Also, the rant about the guy who made the tubes for televisions may be my favourite Sorkin block of dialogue.

4. Dan Rydell.
- The perfect Sorkin mix of humour, drama, lovable flaws and character development. His on-air apology is the definition of "Sorkin chills", a phrase I just made up. Also, his therapy session where he doesn't leave the doorway and his Hillary Clinton moment remain favourites.

3. Danny Tripp.
- That's right. Studio 60. Blow me. Matt Albie would be in my top 10 with ease, Harriet Hayes would be close and Tom Jeter just might have been around this level with a few more seasons. The Tom Jeter-centric episodes were phenomenal (his parents' visit, the arrest/Goodman episodes, etc).

2. Jed Bartlett.
- As designed, the world leader we really need. Might not be this high if he wasn't the President, and as such a man with the gravitas and reason to deliver some of the best monologues ever written.

1. CJ Cregg.
- For showing writers that it's not impossible to write a strong, well defined female character who, oh by the way, just happens to be sexy. And for just being awesome in every way, from root canal to her father to every scene with Busfield to every press briefing to the jackyl.

Zuckerberg, Josh and Matt Albie were the toughest to cut. Mainly Josh. Maybe I did include Sam Donovan to be different...

Posted by: Steve at September 1, 2011 12:32 AM

Shit, I forgot about Joey Lucas. She would probably make my top 5 had she been in a few more episodes.

Posted by: Artemis at September 1, 2011 1:01 AM

I haven't seen the Social Network, so I'm fine with ditching Zuck for LEO MCGARRY. I cried when he died, and then all over again when he did on the show. And then again when I saw reruns of that episode. And kind of want to just thinking about it.

But CJ Cregg is my #1 forever, no contest, no quibbles or exceptions.

5. Dan Rydell
4. Toby Ziegler
3. Leo McGarry
2. President Bartlett
1. Ms. Claudia Jean Cregg

Posted by: Sara H at September 1, 2011 2:18 PM

Though I will say that the Mark Zuckerberg verbal beatdown in that video is fantastic.

Posted by: Sara H at September 1, 2011 2:31 PM

1. Presidente Josiah "Jed" Bartlet
2. Josh Lyman
3. Matt Albie
4. C.J. Cregg
5. Mark Zuckerberg

Posted by: Tiago Andrade at September 1, 2011 6:26 PM

5. CJ
4. Dan
3. Sam
2. Matt from S60
1. Abby Bartlet

Posted by: Malexa at September 2, 2011 8:11 AM

Um, there seems to be some sort of mistake because all these characters are not from the West Wing.

Posted by: Haystacks at September 5, 2011 7:23 PM