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The Five Most Retarded People in Television

A Seriously Random List XXXV / Dustin Rowles

Seriously Random Lists | December 9, 2008 | Comments (109)


Growing up, my two favorite magazines were Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, the former of which inspired me to go into journalism (mostly via Hunter Thompson), and the latter of which I’ve been a subscriber of going on 15 years. Both magazines are fairly awful now. I canceled my subscription to Rolling Stone sometime in the mid-90s, and cancelled EW earlier this year, only to be drawn back in by a $10 per year subscription price, only to then realize that its standards have gotten even worse during my five-month hiatus. Clearly, their word count is less than 90 words per article now, and shrinking. I’m still not entirely certain why magazines have tackled the problem of a dwindling subscriber base by dumbing them down and adding more pictures. It’s not working, so you’d think that the trend would eventually reverse. Still, I don’t know how much my distaste for those two magazines (Rolling Stone is completely unreadable now, and not just because there’s nothing to read in it) is because of their deteriorating quality or how much is because I’m falling out of touch with their target demo, which is clearly brain-damaged 19-year-olds.

Which brings me to last week’s EW feature: “The 25 Smartest People in TV.” Some of the people clearly belonged on the list (Tina Fey was #2, Rachel Maddow was #14, J.J. Abrams #18, and Jon Stewart #24) but what annoyed me most about the list was EW’s insistence on equating intelligence with money-making prowess. I mean, come the fuck on: Seth MacFarlane at number one?! Not because his shows are the smartest on TV (hahahahahaha …. Oof, my spleen), but because he’s the highest paid writer on TV.

Anyway, in celebration of EW’s shit-trawling mediocrity, here’s my list of the five most retarded people in television. And by “retarded,” I mean creatively nil and/or responsible for the stupidest shit on your wee-little tube.

5. Chuck Lorre and Lee Aronsohn: Who says the television sitcom is dead? Two of November’s top 10 shows among 18-49 year olds were written and produced by this retarded duo: “Two and a Half Men” and “Big Bang Theory.” Have you ever watched these two shows? Have you ever felt your brain ooze out your ears and form a puddle on your shoulders? The sensation is about the same. These two men are responsible for Charlie Sheen being the most popular sitcom actor in television right now. They also gave Johnny Galecki a second chance at life to suck in front of a large television audience.

4. Paul Haggis: I just think it’s great that, after producing three terrible television shows in the 90s, none of which got full season orders (“Michael Hayes,” “EZ Streets,” and “Due South,”) that we get to pick on Haggis again in the television world. He created the very short-lived, very awful “Black Donnelly’s” two years ago, which took “Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip’s” timeslot and managed to drag the ratings down even further. And now he’s back with a television version of “Crash,” which applies the Haggis credo, as described by The Boozehound: “It’s no fun unless you’re reinforcing offensive stereotypes while at the same time using ludicrously broad and ineffectual narrative devices to defeat them, like a deranged white knight with your helmet on backwards.”

3. Seth MacFarlane: He may be the highest paid writer on television, but that sure as hell doesn’t make him smart. He is smart enough to convince network executives to let him create the exact same episode of “Family Guy” over and over with small variations on the incest jokes, and then persuade them to let him make the same show with different characters and a different setting, call it “American Dad,” and tell everyone it’s a satire. And, in 2009, he’s got a new animated sitcom, “Cleveland,” which will no doubt be the same show again, only with black characters and a few more black stereotypes. Can’t wait! However, convincing someone to allow you to make the same bad show over and over again doesn’t make you smart, it just makes you slightly less retarded than the Fox executives who greenlit your shows. This guy has basically taken “South Park” and “The Simpsons,” stripped them completely of merit, and anally regurgitated them onto your television.

2. Tyler Perry: Here’s another jack-ass that actually made EW’s list of smartest people in television. Why? Because he took that special brand of blunt-force stupidity that’s made him popular on screen and stage and brought it into our homes. “House of Payne” is spectacularly unfunny, and makes the stereotypical humor on “According to Jim” seem downright Swiftian. How bad is “House of Payne”? USA Today, which had its critical facilities surgically removed at birth, called it “one of the worst sitcoms of the modern era.”That’s like Roseanne Barr calling Rosie O’Donnell an overweight has-been. It may be true, too; iMDB doesn’t track bottom user-rated television shows, but the worst-rated movies are Identity Crisis and Disaster Movie, which hold 1.2 and 1.3 ratings out of ten. “House of Payne,” holds a 1.1. rating. “House of Payne” is worse than Disaster Movie. But, Disaster Movie made plenty of money, and so does “House of Payne.” Enough, in fact, that Perry has a second show in the works, based on his horrendous movie, Meet the Browns. Also, Perry has done everything in his power to avoid working with union writers, which not only makes him retarded, but cheap, too.

1. The Network Heads of Programming: All four of the major networks already have a revolving door when it comes to Network Programmers, so I won’t bother to name them all. But they must be the dumbest rich people in America. They are beyond incompetent. Put aside the fact that they frequently cancel the higher quality programs, like “Pushing Daisies” and “Arrested Development ” — those were more casualties of low ratings (and the depth of idiocy among the television-watching audience) than they were the faults of impatient network programmers. But look at this year’s fall schedule: There have been two hits: “The Mentalist” and “Fringe,” and both of those, so far, are only moderate hits. There are zero “Lost”s or “Heroes” this season. Nor were there any last season. The networks are in as big a state of crisis as our economy — not since ABC gave us “Lost,” “Grey’s Anatomy,” and “Desperate Housewives,” has there been any network that’s created two or more new top-rated shows in a season. “The Mentalist” is the only new show among the top ten. The other nine are at least four years old. In last week’s top 20, only one other show besides “The Mentalist” came from the last two years: “Samantha Who?” (People watch that?) And of the 20 top shows in the 2007-2008 season, not a single one actually debuted in 2007. The networks are beating the same shows into the ground with decreasing dividends. Water cooler shows are disappearing. Hell, they’re gone. And what are network programmers doing? Scheduling more procedurals, more lawyer shows, and more cop shows. And if that’s not bad enough, NBC completely threw in the towel, programming five nights of Jay Leno in primetime. Thanks for nothing, jackasses.


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Comments

Slamming on McFarlane just shows how retarded YOU are, my clownish friend.

Fuck this list, fuck you, and this site.

Suck on that, homey.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 3:05 PM

Entertainment Weekly mailed me THREE copies of the Twilight issue this weekend. Apparently they found out that I read the first two books and wanted to rub salt into my already crater deep self-loathing by waving all of the collector's covers in my face.

Between Jessica Shaw's inability to write a funny sentence, the hiring of Michael Ausiello, and the increasing inanity of every article, I question why I resubscribe every few weeks or so. And yet I always hold out hope that an issue will have an interesting article, and not one about, oh I don't know, One Tree Hill.

Posted by: Julie at December 9, 2008 3:12 PM

Seth McFarlane is a fucking moron and that show was only good for a couple of seasons. I refuse to acknowledge American Dad because it's the same damn show, Dustin's right.

Posted by: becks at December 9, 2008 3:12 PM

And yet, you know for all his blustering, BSlim will keep coming back, reading all the posts, and making comments.

He can't help himself.

Posted by: tamatha at December 9, 2008 3:12 PM

I like Family Guy and don't particularly care that it's the same fucking joke over and over again. American Dad, well we'll forget that ever existed.

Cleveland is one of my favorite characters mainly because he's such a cracker but peppers his vernacular with slang.

"I don't profess to be a weather man but it appears to be raining bitches".

Posted by: admin at December 9, 2008 3:18 PM

I'm with Dustin and Julie,, EW has become totally useless, and yet I can't bring myself to cancel my subscription. When they redid the thing this summer, I couldn't have felt more like they thought I was really, really stupid. Those bastards.

Oh, and I gave up on Rolling Stone years and years ago. I picked up a copy to read on the plane about 7 years ago, and couldn't believe how unsatisfactory it was and was glad I had not renewed my subscription a few years before that. In fact, now that I remember it, I joyfully checked off the "I'm a loser" box on the "yes, I really don't want your magazine anymore" form that they sent me.

Posted by: tamatha at December 9, 2008 3:18 PM

Yeah, every time I read that Michael Ausiello column, all I can think of is Jackie Harvey's column "The Outside Scoop". It's, like, the exact same tone, which is kind of weird since JH is a fictional character who writes for a fake newspaper.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at December 9, 2008 3:19 PM

Dude, rip on Paul Haggis all you want, (his special blanket protects him from all harm) but leave Due South alone.

Posted by: opiejuankenopie at December 9, 2008 3:20 PM

Family Guy was funny when I was in college and drunk all the time. With my brain now functioning clearly: not so funny.

Posted by: Sean at December 9, 2008 3:22 PM

Have you ever watched these two shows?

Just that scene on "Two and a Half Men" with Elvis Costello, Harry Dean Stanton and Sean Penn. I backed the hell away from "Big Bang Theory". I couldn't put into words the fear and discomfort its preview ads gave me.

I watched the first episode of "Family Guy". So that was enough, huh?

Posted by: Jay at December 9, 2008 3:30 PM

I'm a sucker for Family Guy because I like dumb gags, but I know it's no good for me intellectually and the writers are basically lazy (ask the South Park guys about it).

Is that why you ultimately hate Haggis Dustin (besides the fact that Crash beat Brokeback Mountain)? You feel he reinforces racial stereotypes? Maybe we've been through this before, but I think that acknowledging that issues of race are not as simple as one group of people being evil and manufacturing a stereotype of another group out of whole cloth for their amusement is not the same thing as reinforcing stereotypes and is ultimately healthier for dialogue and understanding than yet another black-and-white harangue.

Posted by: Eep at December 9, 2008 3:34 PM

Please stop with the Pushing Daisies love. No one watched it because it sucked.

Posted by: sosumi at December 9, 2008 3:34 PM

Actually, some of us didn't watch it because it was on at the same time as Bones and we rarely remember to set our DVR.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at December 9, 2008 3:39 PM

Family Guy is funny as hell. Yeah, American Dad and Cleveland do and will suck, but all that matters is the original. Last I checked, Futurama wasn't exactly at the Simpsons level; furthermore, "That's My Bush" was an epic failure on Matt and Trey's part.

Posted by: WhoGivesAShit at December 9, 2008 3:40 PM

I tried to watch Big Bang Theory once, on the advice of a co-worker who told me it was a "smart-funny" show. I now question his sanity. (The same guy also recommended HIMYM, though...he confuses me.)

I'm absolutely in agreement about Family Guy, Dustin, and I'll add that the pedophilic old man neighbour is the most distasteful and revolting character since Mr.-effing-Hankie. *shudder* I can't even bear to watch him.

Slightly appalling that Jon Stewart only barely made the EW list.

Posted by: meaux at December 9, 2008 3:42 PM

McFarlane used up all his lifelong material and even vaguely amusing jokes in the pilot episode of Family Guy. He's been tossing off the rest since.

Posted by: Goldie at December 9, 2008 3:44 PM

I also still like Family Guy... quite a bit. After I had already seen all the episodes several times, I introduced it to my Dad and we've begun watching them together. Enjoyment is greatly improved when watching with someone who will invariably turn purple with laughter. It's true that it isn't as good as it once was, but what show is?

And unlike Trey Parker or Matt Stone in interviews, Seth always sounds like a dude I'd like to hang out with. Indeed, he's on the list. So I guess what I'm saying is that I disagree.

Posted by: Laura at December 9, 2008 3:46 PM

I thought the first few seasons of Family Guy were funny, but I just don't care enough to give its reincarnated version my attention.

Posted by: Julie at December 9, 2008 3:47 PM

I like Two and a Half Men--less since the kid's grown up, but still, it brought back Ducky, ferchrissake.

I also can't stand 30 Rock.

Does this make me stupid? No, only tasteless.

Posted by: frumpiefox at December 9, 2008 3:54 PM

Actually, some of us didn't watch it because it was on at the same time as Bones and we rarely remember to set our DVR.

I stand corrected. I've never watched Bones, the commercials give the impression that it's just another CSI procedural wannabe.

Posted by: sosumi at December 9, 2008 3:54 PM

Oh, and I dislike Family Guy because the animation su-hu-hucks.

Posted by: frumpiefox at December 9, 2008 3:55 PM

My roommate and I have that problem too AvB-we gave priority to Pushing Daisies, and we catch Bones on reruns.

I love the addition of sweets, but I'll follow John Francis Daley to the ends of the earth.

Posted by: Julie at December 9, 2008 4:01 PM

Seriously? Only one person has ripped on Dustin for his hate towards Due South?

Due South was fucking amazing. Even a broken Haggis works every once in awhile.

Posted by: Annie_Reckson at December 9, 2008 4:01 PM

producing three terrible television shows in the 90s, none of which got full season orders ("Michael Hayes," "EZ Streets," and "Due South,")

What Opiejuankenopie said. Back the fuck off, Rowles. Bash Haggis all you like, but Paul Gross especially made Due South excellent. You bash other shows that are admittedly worse, if not balls-out terrible, and you equate them with Due South? I oughtta shove you out of an airplane into a snow-covered ice field in the middle of nowhere saying "look, a turtle!"

Posted by: lordhelmet at December 9, 2008 4:03 PM

"I'm no school administrator, but there's an extension program going on in my trousers."

Now, see here, that shit is FUNNY.

Posted by: sansho1 at December 9, 2008 4:05 PM

[...]the commercials give the impression that it's just another CSI procedural wannabe.

Oh, it is. It just has characters I'm interested in, and good writing, and storylines that are entertaining.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at December 9, 2008 4:05 PM

Sosumi, I think you suck.

Posted by: shortcake at December 9, 2008 4:06 PM

I don't believe in Family Guy. Period.

Stewart made the list at #24? Seriously? Why is not in the top ten?

Posted by: Nicole at December 9, 2008 4:10 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the massive decline in EW. In a 3 month span we were treated to 2 Twilight covers, 1 chick from the hills, the new 90210, Zak Efron, and (I think) The Jonas Brothers. Or was that Rolling Stone? Either way, they are both shitty as hell now and targeted at the teen/tween dip shits.

Posted by: TylerDFC at December 9, 2008 4:10 PM

I miss Premier Magazine. I really liked their photo shoots, and I forget to read it online.

Posted by: Julie at December 9, 2008 4:11 PM

I don't get the American Dad hate. It is actually better than the Simpsons 75% of the time. It has a weird consistently average vibe to it. It can sneak a laugh out of me at least once an episode which is more than the Simpsons can say most weeks.
((Last week is an obvious exception as the attacking bees telling Bumblebee Man, "We hate you most of all, Uncle Tom" in subtitles was the best joke I've heard on there in a long time))

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at December 9, 2008 4:13 PM

Annie_Reckson, you are right! Due South was awesome, and I can't believe Haggis was involved with it at all. But I also forgot to mention this: the former of which inspired me to go into journalism (mostly via Hunter Thompson).

Really Dustin? Perphaps in your rush to spell out your disdain for other (admittedly shoddy) publications you forgot to proofread your own article. Or you're just being cute. I did see Roger Ebert write about some author called Phillip Dick some months ago, so maybe the trendy thing in journalism now is to leave out pieces of people's names.

Posted by: Laura at December 9, 2008 4:13 PM

Family Guy was funny until it was "popular". The first two volumes of the DVD's are the core of the show, all the funny episodes are included. As soon as they were brought back though, it started down the path of suckage. Not only is this a slap in the face of the fans who cared enough to buy the DVD and give them a resurrection, it also ensured it would NEVER...BE...CANCELLED!

Fox jumped the gun and killed a good show, then went back to the ol' Pet Semetary and resurrected it. Here's a hint...when you resurrect something in the Pet Semetary, IT'S NOT THE SAME! It didn't work with Herman Munster! It didn't work with that creepy little brat! It sure as hell didn't work with Tasha FREAKIN Yar! The same thing happened with Futurama, by time you resurrect something most of the writing talent that made it good is gone, and you're left with something subpar. (They even admitted this in the Family Guy commentary in volume 1 or 2. They mentioned people would get dropped because they didn't think there'd be a show anymore, and then they'd hire writers to pick up the slack.)

I hope the manatees eat Seth MacFarlane, and I hope they do it so The Cleveland Show doesn't get greenlit for Season 2. American Dad and Family Guy shall be consolidated into "American Guy" and it will feature Adam West, Stewie, and Brian as CIA agents working under Patrick Stewart. All other characters...shall be liquidated in a two hour Sweeps event. NONE SHALL BE SPARED!

Posted by: Mike R. at December 9, 2008 4:16 PM

...Perry has a second show in the works, based on his horrendous movie, Meet the Browns.

I wonder...does George W. Bush think every Tyler Perry movie is called "Meet the Browns"?

Posted by: Mike R. at December 9, 2008 4:18 PM

Sosumi, I think you suck.

Correct, but I'm selective.

Posted by: sosumi at December 9, 2008 4:19 PM

I like Family Guy because of the random jokes. People are always complaining about them, but I love it when the chicken attacks from nowhere and whatnot. WhoGivesA, you had me until "Last I checked, Futurama wasn't exactly at the Simpsons level". Futurama is the best! Family Guy is good, but Futurama is more deserving of resurrection.

Posted by: phquaryn at December 9, 2008 4:40 PM

I was a subscriber to EW since 2001 and my subscription ran out this summer and I never got around to renewing it and then realized that hey, I didn't really miss it!

I still think their reviews are halfway decent, though. ::shrugs::

And thank God 30 Rock didn't get the Arrested Development treatment. It's kind of getting decent ratings now, yes? Or at least more decent than before?

Posted by: whatBENwatches at December 9, 2008 4:45 PM

Speaking of Due South, I just watched the entire first season on DVD and I'm looking forward to watching the second. I looooooooooooove that show, how DARE anyone denegrate it!

Posted by: snapnhiss at December 9, 2008 4:46 PM

God damn I hate Family Guy so much. I might watch if it was the Stewie and Adam West show. Maybe. Otherwise, it can get the fuck off my television. Ugh.

Posted by: dsbs at December 9, 2008 4:48 PM

Ok, it is exam time, and I hate been feeling a bit off lately, but I'm fairly sure I haven't devolved into complete insanity just yet. So tell me I didn't read "WhoGivesAShit" correctly - Futurama bashing? Not around here, my friend, or I WILL find you.

Posted by: dsbs at December 9, 2008 4:52 PM

"I did see Roger Ebert write about some author called Phillip Dick some months ago, so maybe the trendy thing in journalism now is to leave out pieces of people's names."

Philip K. Dick is a science fiction author (he's not just called Philip Dick, that's his name). Not sure what missing piece of his name you're referring to - his middle initial?

Posted by: sosumi at December 9, 2008 4:52 PM

I don't mind Family Guy I suppose, but someone up there said something that rang true for me as well...not nearly as entertaining once I got sober and stayed that way.

Posted by: Smokin at December 9, 2008 4:58 PM

Ok, to all the Futurama haters, I have one swift kick in the butt comin' right at you. Futurama is amazing. End of discussion.

Family Guy is so meh it's not even worth fighting about. They've gotten less awful than they were a for the first little while after they came back from the cancellation, but still... I still think that the "most smartest" award goes to Simpsons. And of course, South Park is kick ass.

Posted by: Kayanne at December 9, 2008 5:04 PM

I think it's Hunter S. Thompson and Philip K Dick - but whatever, I've never read either.

I watched Bones until what'sherface broke off the wedding with whasthisname over THE DUMBEST FUCKING REASON EVER. Like, really? you love a man enough to agree to marry him, but you both break up because of ONE disagreement. Fuck you both, you don't deserve to be married.

And then they made her a lesbian!!

AAHHH. I couldn't take it anymore.

Posted by: Stella at December 9, 2008 5:10 PM

Stella--I feel you on that, but I have a fragment for you: David Boreanaz, occasionally shirtless. I could make it a sentence, but I have to go find a youtube clip of that bathtub scene.

Posted by: foursweatervests at December 9, 2008 5:22 PM

Pushing Daisies did suck didn't it. It was so sickly sweet, I worried about diabetes. And that voice over became annoying.

Posted by: will at December 9, 2008 5:26 PM

And yet, you know for all his blustering, BSlim will keep coming back, reading all the posts, and making comments.
Posted by: tamatha at December 9, 2008 3:12 PM

Yeah, I meant to say, fuck you TOO, you know, once you tear yourself away from Rowles mangina.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 5:26 PM

Lemme get this straight: when Family Guy does a cut scene joke that has little or nothing to do with the plot, it's lazy and stupid. But when Scrubs does it? HILARIOUS!

Posted by: Farthammer at December 9, 2008 5:42 PM

I can understand not liking a show for various reasons/blind spots/pathologies, but anyone who truly thinks either McFarlane show is in any way as objectively terrible as 2.5 Men or Meet the Paynes? Well, you don't know shit about fuck.

Posted by: firedmyass at December 9, 2008 5:44 PM

I'd totally fuck Brian. From Family Guy. Just wanted you all to know that.

Posted by: Janey at December 9, 2008 5:53 PM

I'll agree with everyone on this list, including The Evil Haggis, EXCEPT for his show Due South-which had several seasons, though perhaps they were shortend somehow? Anyhow, the first season of Due South was especially delightful, with the alarmingly clueless but endlessly polite and upstanding Constable Fraser and Diefenbacher the Wolf patrolling the mean streets of Chicago. Besides which, actor Paul Gross was/is HOT. Oh, Canada!

Posted by: lil_a at December 9, 2008 6:01 PM

Family Guy has definitely nosedived, but I still crack up at the random humor. I can see what Laura meant about Trey Parker and Matt Stone. I get an asshole vibe from them; and South Park ain't what it used to be either.

I'm actually glad Futurama is over; it never had the chance to suck. Although "Bender's Big Score" was weak. Sorry. But it was.

Tyler Perry...blech. I guess it makes sense. I despise his "creations" as much as anyone, but he's made his money, and definitely made a mark. Well, more like a shit-stain, but you get my point.

Posted by: Brie at December 9, 2008 6:29 PM

Fuck you if you don't respect Family Guy. It's one of the funniest shows ever made. People act like non-sequiter jokes are so stupid. But that's what made Monty Python great. South Park has fallen off. The Simpsons haven't been funny in a decade. And Seth McFarlane made one of the funniest online videos about the writers' strike.

Posted by: Audiosuede at December 9, 2008 6:36 PM

Oh, I hadn't even noticed the Due South mention (or realized Paul Haggis had anything to do with it). That was a terrific show--nice to see it getting some love here--and although it may not have had a full-season order in the US, was pretty damned popular in the Great White North.

Mmmm, Paul Gross indeed...speaking of which, I've been meaning to check out Slings & Arrows, I hear it's really good.

Posted by: meaux at December 9, 2008 6:37 PM

They resurrected Tasha Yar? How did I miss that?

Posted by: rlr260 at December 9, 2008 6:39 PM

"Two and a Half Men" and "Big Bang Theory."

Sorry, these are both funny shows. They do what they're supposed to do, and they do it well.

Posted by: Meander at December 9, 2008 6:43 PM

I love you all. Thank god. I finally found people who hate Family Guy as much as I do.

I...FUCKING...HATE...FAMILY GUY!

Dustin, this was really good. The best seriously random list ever. You guy's are on a roll. Thank god the Wayan's are off television.

Posted by: George at December 9, 2008 6:43 PM

I still watch Family Guy. But they should have spun off the characters of Stewie and Brian onto a new show and cancelled Family Guy because all of the other characters suuuuuuuuck.

But I don't like South Park, so what the hell did I know.

I also watched a few episodes of Pushing Daisies and found it cute, but a little cloying.

Sorry.

I'll go now.

Posted by: greer at December 9, 2008 7:00 PM

Family Guy is the fucking nadir of our pop culture.

Don't even try to compare its non sequitur humor to that of Monty Python. It's not even close in cleverness. Regardless, it's not the non sequitur humor that is the problem. It's the complete reliance on empty, pointless allusions that have no nuance or integration into the universe that is making the reference. Family Guy is the primary reason our pop culture has completely cannibalized itself.

I dread what the next generation of young "writers" are going to be creating in terms of "original" material 15 or 20 years from now, after they spent their entire youth thinking that Family Guy is the most brilliant comedy ever created. Will their plots center on references to Family Guy references? They probably won't even realize there's another layer of reference.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 9, 2008 7:10 PM

Add to that list the following:

Earl (Jason Lee), Randy (Ethan Suplee), and Darnell (Eddie Steeples) from My Name Is Earl, who are all apparently, Scientolotards.

I'm never watching that show again, no matter how funny Jamie Pressly is. I just refuse to support that shit.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at December 9, 2008 7:14 PM

While Seth McFarlane is a complete and utter douchebag (and I hate him to his very core for enabling the cancellation of Arrested Development through is vomit-inducing TV contract) there's usually at least 1 funny joke/gag in each episode. And Mayor West will never stop being hilarious.

Posted by: Alex at December 9, 2008 7:56 PM

Did someone seriously compare Family Guy to Monty Python? Seriously?


I'm shocked any Pajibans still like Family Guy. This place has changed man. I would expect a stupid opinion like that from me or the people I associate with in real life, but not from you guys, never from you guys.

Posted by: becks at December 9, 2008 7:58 PM

...sorry becks

*slinks off in shame*

Posted by: greer at December 9, 2008 8:03 PM

I'm shocked any Pajibans still like Family Guy. This place has changed man. I would expect a stupid opinion like that from me or the people I associate with in real life, but not from you guys, never from you guys.

Posted by: becks at December 9, 2008 7:58 PM
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Seth McFarlane, in my STUPID opinion, is the only one doing social commentary in his work, not only that, him and his people give good commentary on their DVDs he has a voice, and I respect him for that.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 8:06 PM

How does South Park NOT do social commentary? Not only do they do social commentary it's always 10 times better than Family Guy.

Posted by: Alex at December 9, 2008 8:10 PM

"...him and his people give good commentary on their DVDs..."


By that I meant he, and his folks, tell you where they are coming form, and what they are trying to do. You know he's had Baldwin...Green, Shatner, Patrick Stewart...and all them motherfuckers on his crew...right?

Pajiveass motherfuckers.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 8:15 PM

Seth McFarlane's creativity is comparable to the United States government's state of affairs:

The part with the retarded white guy was laughable at times, but no one really expects much from the sequel starring the black guy.

Posted by: JesseNeon at December 9, 2008 8:16 PM

After years I finally cancelled my Entertainment Weekly subscription this week. First of all, ever since I've moved to Seattle they can never seem to get my magazine to me before say, Tuesday the weekend after whatever movies they review are out, secondly, almost everything is on their website anyways. Anything actually worthwhile I'd get from some place else who has opinions I actually trust anyways (::ahem:: pajiba).

Posted by: Stacy at December 9, 2008 8:17 PM

Not only do they do social commentary it's always 10 times better than Family Guy.

Posted by: Alex at December 9, 2008 8:10 PM

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Ten times better...seriously...?

Ok

How is it 10 times better is it ...ACROSS THE WHOLE FLOOR?!?!?! I love South Park but they are some seriously nihilistic mofos...they don't KNOW what they want to say.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 8:24 PM

Well, I used to think FG was okay, but now it's just boring. I really did not like the cloying Pushing Daisies, and though Lee Pace is really cute, I couldn't see him past Chenowith's tits. Those fools were all up in that shiz all the time!

AD is funnier than I thought it would be, which isn't saying all that much. But mostly, if I don't like a show, I don't think about it much - and I just don't watch it (though I've never ween 2 1/2 nads, nor will I).

Posted by: foolery at December 9, 2008 8:49 PM

At one minute everyone is on Payne for not using union workers, then the next minute they're on the Big Three for using auto union workers. Are Hollywood unions exempt from union scorn that is all the rage now?

Posted by: crab apple cake at December 9, 2008 9:15 PM

South Park's social commentary is far and away the best I've seen from entertainment television. I consider them almost Mark Twain-ish in their ability to both inhabit and transcend our culture. Family Guy makes snide jokes about our culture, and they do it well, but they hardly ever assemble things beyond a snide laugh and a pointed finger. It doesn't mean that Family Guy is bad, I just don't think you can compare the two. I can pick up on Parker and Stone's philosophy and it stays consistent. MacFarlane, as far as I can tell, just picks out things that sound stupid and makes fun of them.

Posted by: Eep at December 9, 2008 9:35 PM

Spot on with number 1.

Posted by: Cindy at December 9, 2008 9:36 PM

"...South Park's social commentary is far and away the best I've seen from entertainment television. I consider them almost Mark Twain-ish in their ability to both inhabit and transcend our culture...."

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Ooooooooooooook.

The defense rests, your honor.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 9, 2008 9:43 PM

'Family Guy' blows, yes, it blows. Especially the baby & the dog. It's a terrible show, created by hacks & enjoyed by nitwits. So there.

Posted by: Dude Manbrough at December 9, 2008 10:02 PM

Every time I turn around Rowles is complaining about Perry not using union writers, fuck union writers. In Hollywood's long history, I can think of only one other black man that had total control over his own show, and that would be Cosby. Why the fuck is Rowles not opening up a big mouth about that fact? Rowles I can understand your frustration with Perry, you are probably saying to yourself "how can this guy get such horrible ratings and still get offered the chance to produce another show on the same network." Maybe Perry should go back to film school, and then maybe, just maybe he can reach the film directing level of that Capo di tutti Apatow.

Posted by: Pookie at December 9, 2008 11:17 PM

I stand by it. I'm sure there were those in Twain's time who would have been amused to think that coarse stories of hicks and slaves galavanting on a river would be discussed as great literature.

Posted by: Eep at December 9, 2008 11:33 PM

For the record, can I mention that Tyra Banks is ahead of Jon Stewart on this list. The fact that Tyra Banks is on that list is enough to give me a stroke.

Posted by: JaeClassic at December 9, 2008 11:45 PM

Although I have never seen an episode of South Park, nonetheless Eep you make a very interesting point about South Park's social commentary. To be sure, we are all social critics in some form or another. Having read philosophy for pleasure and profit (don't ask), I can say without a doubt that the vast majority of my outlook on society has come about by just walking and streets.

Posted by: Pookie at December 9, 2008 11:52 PM

The only reason to read Rolling Stone is Matt Taibbi and some other amazing reporting they've done on the US news/political front like the story about how The Surge was really The Mistake. Maybe that kind of amazing writing on current events and affairs doesn't belong in a music magazine but I give them huge credit for doing it.

The rest of RS does suck except. I choked when they voted Aretha Franklin the best singer ever was Aretha Franklin; she's got pipes but come on...the best? Hardly.

Family Guy has devolved into the same eternal looping skit. It's had some moments but even it's fans cannot say it's produced much that's original for the last couple of years.

I watched ONE episode of 2.5 men and had to pull the Swiffer out to mop up the puddle my soul and intelligence leaked on my hardwood floor. If you like that show, you are not just pathetic...you are as shallow as the dried remains of a loogie on the sidewalk. That guy was Ducky? When heroes go down, they go down hard and fast. Sigh. And any show that keeps Charlie Sheen in dumb blondes needs to end.

Tyler 'Formulaic Stereotype' Perry is not just an

Posted by: Clevelandchick at December 10, 2008 12:09 AM

Clevelandchick if you would have stop writing after the first ten words of your post I would have considered it your best work ever. But like most women, after amazing sex you ruin it by wanting to talk.

Posted by: Pookie at December 10, 2008 12:36 AM

Dude, sorry, but Family Guy is pretty awesome. Y'know what, fuck it, I won't even apologize for it. Family Guy is a good show, as it is just for gags. That's something that I particularly like. Sure, give me a show with a message sometimes, but dammit, sometimes we all just need to laugh. And if Family Guy isn't your cup o' tea, then simply don't watch it. For the rest of the world, however, who happen to like humor that is pointless but often funny, allow us to watch it.

The Simpsons fuckin' failed when they tried to make a message in every show they do now. Sad thing is that Simpson used to be funny, but now it's fuckin' terrible, as was that horrible, horrible fuckin' movie. It was all too late, and no matter how much you say that Family Guy is Simpson with no soul or what have you, look at the shit that it has become lately.

And while we're at it, fuck J.J. Abrams. I hate the guy. Lost is good at times, but most of time it just seems to drag on longer than one (well, at least myself) seems to care. And for the record, ANYONE, I mean that, ANYONE can make a remake of anything already done. People may jump on him for originality, but instead of coming up with something new, he takes something and does his best to make it conform to his liking. Sure, Star Trek was never some explosive, action-packed extravaganza, but it's not like anyone was asking for that anyway.

Posted by: Riley at December 10, 2008 1:12 AM

I'm watching Family Guy right now. I enjoy it. I also watch Futurama, South Park and have Arrested Development practically memorized.

Why is it that if you watch one show, people catagorize you into being an idiot, or watch another show and you're a witty, hilarious friend? I watch a bunch of shows (that Pajibans both praise and have strokes about) and enjoy them each on their own merits.

Is everyone buying into the bullshit fake Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy fight that's been floating around Hollywood for the past 3 years?

Posted by: popejenn at December 10, 2008 1:18 AM

Oh yeah, and Due South was fuckin' great.

Fuck you on that one, D. You rushed on this one, didn't you?

Posted by: Riley at December 10, 2008 1:20 AM

Family Guy is the most frustrating, because there COULD be good jokes there, but they all feel like first drafts, or something you say off the top of your head at a bar. Amusing at first, but as an actual gag, pretty lame and obvious.

Two and a Half Men has one quality I find amusing - no one on the show is sympathetic or really likable. A bunch of a-holes. No other show really has that anymore...

Posted by: Fawn Lieborwitz at December 10, 2008 1:34 AM

For the record, I don't think that people who enjoy Family Guy are idiots. Many of my smartest friends enjoy it, and I don't begrudge them their laughs in response to its empty humor. Nevertheless, I do think it is a blight on our entertainment and does more harm than good.

As for this straw-man Simpsons comparison, The Simpsons was able to successfully and consistently integrate plot and meaningful messages, and they did it for eight seasons. That's what people are comparing when they mention the shallowness of Family Guy. They aren't talking about the current incarnation of The Simpsons. I don't care if Family Guy isn't The Simpsons. The Simpsons often flails now, but that's much more a testament to the fact that it depends more frequently upon empty pop culture references (in the style of Family Guy) than the fact that they are still trying to create messages and failing. The Simpsons once worked allusions into the fabric of the show much more smoothly and subtly; they abandoned that style. Family Guy never had it, and as far as I'm concerned enjoying it isn't much of a step above enjoying all the "Movie" Movies. If people want to draw a valid analogy, let me know how fresh they think Family Guy is when it reaches the episode count that Simpsons has achieved.

I don't watch either of them at this point, so I don't have enough vested interest to trumpet some rivalry. I'm just stating what it is that differentiates the two and draws the inevitable comparisons. All I know is that when I'm in the room and friends of mine are watching Family Guy, I can't stomach its insipid banality for more than a minute and feel compelled to leave immediately.

Posted by: Darth Corleone at December 10, 2008 1:45 AM

I know EXACTLY, what the mentality behind hating Seth MacFarlane comes from: it's the elitist, douchebag, frame of mind that can rationalize some cheap, trash talking, stripper, like Diablo Cody (whatever)as some kind of hipster "messiah" just because every other east coast fancy college hipster douchebag says so.

FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 10, 2008 2:22 AM

That's so funny you should say that, Barbadoslim, because a bunch of fancy elitist east coast college hipster douchebags at Harvard got Seth Macfarlane to speak at their "class day" because they liked him so much.

Can we like Seth Macfarlane and still think that other shows are better than Family Guy?

Posted by: Eep at December 10, 2008 2:39 AM

Eh, the article is calling him a retard.

submitted.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 10, 2008 2:44 AM

What's everyone so upset about? Of course Seth McFarlane should be at the top of that list. After all, Worthington's Law states: More Money = Better Than

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF8wLg5Asgo

Posted by: kushiro at December 10, 2008 8:34 AM

Fuck Worthington.
They have sections of the show that are LITERALLY loops, like whenever Peter trips and hurts his shin/ankle/secret mangina.
That alone should condemn the show.

Posted by: JesseNeon at December 10, 2008 8:56 AM

You hated Due South? :( Oh. That makes Golden Retriever puppies cry tears of blood.

Posted by: embertine at December 10, 2008 9:30 AM

Tyler Perry is doing the exact same thing as Seth MacFarlane by regurgitating the same bullshit over and over. His shows and movies make me uncomfortable and depressed. I once spent a disturbing 2 hours watching one of his movies with people that were laughing their asses off. When I asked if they were seriously enjoying themselves, they looked at me like I was crazy.

What Tyler does goes beyond stereotyping, and he hides his inability to see beyond the surface aspects of human interaction beneath an avalanche of Hallmark emotion.

Posted by: Kballs at December 10, 2008 9:32 AM

Due South was a stroke of genius. Who knew a get-away car could be rendered useless by a bad-ass horse & mountie duo? Everyone did, but they brought the visual.

Posted by: ThunderSacTriumph at December 10, 2008 10:09 AM

"Earl (Jason Lee), Randy (Ethan Suplee), and Darnell (Eddie Steeples) from My Name Is Earl, who are all apparently, Scientolotards."
---Pink Hulk, you just broke my heart.

"Clevelandchick if you would have stop writing after the first ten words of your post I would have considered it your best work ever. But like most women, after amazing sex you ruin it by wanting to talk."
---But Pookie picked up the peices and slapped it back together with some Gorilla Glue.

Posted by: frumpiefox at December 10, 2008 10:54 AM

Two and a Half Men has one quality I find amusing - no one on the show is sympathetic or really likable. A bunch of a-holes. No other show really has that anymore...
Posted by: Fawn Lieborwitz at December 10, 2008 1:34 AM

"It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia". Try it Fawn. Not a single redeemable character in the bunch. And it's actually funny. Oh and 100% less Charlie Sheen...so, you know, improvement right off the bat...

Posted by: Lainey at December 10, 2008 11:00 AM

Adding my name to the list of Due South fans, here. I love that show, and have all the box sets.
It was very popular in the UK - in fact I think the BBC funded the final season, when it was dropped by the studio.

Posted by: Tarn at December 10, 2008 11:16 AM

Kballs why is Tyler Perry held to a different standard? Why can't Perry be allowed to make bullshit movies like white directors? Why must Perry's characters in your eyes show every emotion, but when it comes to white directors they can put any old bullshit on the screen and don't question it?

Posted by: Pookie at December 10, 2008 11:17 AM

"Nadir?!"

"LITERALLY?!"

"Blight?!"

"Looping?!"

"Wait?!"

"Is?!"

Damn bunch of butterless twats in here don't even know what the fuck they words mean.

Posted by: firedmyass at December 10, 2008 11:51 AM

Dustin, baby, leave Due South alone. That show was awesome -- cheesey, but awesome.

Thank you, kindly.

Posted by: Adrienne at December 10, 2008 12:56 PM

firedmyass>> I know damn well what "nadir" means. (Whether Seth McFarlane knows would be a question worth asking.) I've never forgotten it after it cost me National Merit Scholar back in high school.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 10, 2008 3:15 PM

DarthCorleone, that's very pretty impressive to be in the running for National Merit Scholar in high school. You should give yourself a pat on the back, and all the while I was smoking and fucking my way through high school, silly me.

Posted by: Pookie at December 10, 2008 3:41 PM

Not that I'm scalding saddles or anything, but my mamaw said that it ain't braggin' if it's true: I got a full NMS scholarship and drank and fucked my way through high school.

Then it was all downhill from there.

Posted by: firedmyass at December 10, 2008 6:20 PM

I have a new hypothesis. There are three categories of Pajibans:

1. Those who narrowly missed being named National Merit Scholar and are now bitter about it and watch Family Guy

2. Those who were actually National Merit Scholars and still haven't done anything meaningful with their lives except make fun of people who watch Family Guy (this is where I fit in)

3. Commie foreigners who think that Family Guy is a scathing, subversive attack on the American culture of consumerism and thus applaud it while still mocking fans of the show who fail to see its true anti-capitalist brilliance

Or whatever.

Posted by: Elfrieda at December 11, 2008 2:32 AM

Seth:
Perhaps you are better served putting "the viewing public" (which you berated in your #1 listing) at the top of your list. Why? Let me give you some inside information that only a television industry insider would know:
Ready?
It's all. About. Ratings. Simple as that. If you put on a high-quality show that loads of people love (Lost, Seinfeld, the Simpsons, etc), then they will greenlight it and reorder it until the cast dies of old age.
If you make a brilliant high-quality show that not a lot of people watch (Arrested Development, Pushing Daisies), then it will get canceled. Yes, they should allow more time for good shows to get traction, but A) "good show" is subjective and B) Time is money.
So hate on Seth MacFarlane all you want, but as long as American Dad, Cleveland and Family Guy do well in the ratings, and the DVDs continue to outperform, he can expect the paychecks to keep coming.
You want high quality, go with HBO. They're somewhat more insulated from the day-to-day ratings wars and, while I certainly don't like all of their shows (Sex and the City, True Blood), they are typically at least of high quality (Rome and The Wire being the top two on my mind).
And by the way, I wish I had the Tyler Perry-sized balls to demand that every single one of my unfunny oeuvres contained my name. Up Next: "Tyler Perry presents: Black People are Different from White People"

Posted by: Noel at December 15, 2008 10:01 PM

quote from Elfrieda:
2. Those who were actually National Merit Scholars and still haven't done anything meaningful with their lives except make fun of people who watch Family Guy (this is where I fit in)
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Sadly, you will have to add another category to your hypothesis. I'm a former National Merit Scholar who actually likes Family Guy.

(And, much like firedmyass, I fucked my way through high school - no drinking, though - and was such a frequent truant that finally the school administration just gave up on disciplining me for skipping school.)

Posted by: Wife of GOB at December 22, 2008 10:32 PM

My son and I have watched both the Simpsons and Family Guy for years, and the difference we've discerned is plot. Family Guy never has one. They have a schtick, and the Jonas Brothers have plaid pants, but that don't make Farlane a writer nor Joe Jonas into Joe Strummer.

One beautiful example is the Simpsons episode where Ned builds the bomb shelter, and it gets hit by a meteor. I could wax poetic about the writing in that episode being tighter than Tyler Perry's sphinchter. Conversely, the other day on Family guy, the dad makes some disjointed jarring reference to onanism in zero gravity being like "living in a snow globe." Just gross-gross, not funny gross, not related, just tossed off one liners about tossing off, puke, and Pampers.

Stewie, he aight.

Posted by: Stacy D at December 24, 2008 11:00 AM

This is as well-thought out of an article chastising television as even I could think of (that's high praise, I am really smart). Personally, my bone to pick is with the CW/WB and Fox. After their treatment of him, Joss Whedon should give up television. Angel was reaching its creative apex and Firefly never even got a fair shake, since it was sentenced to primetime hell - FRIDAY NIGHT!!!! And now, they're doing it again with his new show, Dollhouse.

Why should geniuses like Whedon, Arrested Development's Mitchell Hurwitz, and innovative minds like Veronica Mars' Rob Thomas even bother with the small screen. With all of the time you take to develop these shows, you could be pitching movies. Hopefully, Arrested and Veronica will have their time on the big screen like Serenity did and make these idiots accountable for their mistakes.

Posted by: Rufus Teague at January 20, 2009 8:41 PM

This is as well-thought out of an article chastising television as even I could think of (that's high praise, I am really smart). Personally, my bone to pick is with the CW/WB and Fox. After their treatment of him, Joss Whedon should give up television. Angel was reaching its creative apex and Firefly never even got a fair shake, since it was sentenced to primetime hell - FRIDAY NIGHT!!!! And now, they're doing it again with his new show, Dollhouse.

Why should geniuses like Whedon, Arrested Development's Mitchell Hurwitz, and innovative minds like Veronica Mars' Rob Thomas even bother with the small screen. With all of the time you take to develop these shows, you could be pitching movies. Hopefully, Arrested and Veronica will have their time on the big screen like Serenity did and make these idiots accountable for their mistakes.

Posted by: Rufus Teague at January 20, 2009 8:42 PM