Mindhole Blowers: 20 Facts You Might Not Know About "Veronica Mars"

By Dustin Rowles | Seriously Random Lists | August 20, 2013 | Comments ()


1. The pilot’s original script described Veronica Mars thusly: “She is not cute. She is sexy. Tough. Prematurely jaded. Angelina Jolie at 17.” Not exactly a description o Kristen Bell.

2. Amanda Seyfried also auditioned for the role of Veronica (and was obviously cast as Lily), but Rob Thomas’ second choice, after Kristen Bell, was actually Alona Tal. Thomas would create the character of Meg Manning just for Alona. She doesn’t really fit the description of the character from the pilot, either.


RatsSawGod.jpg3. Showrunner and creator Rob Thomas began his career as a Young Adult novelist. In fact, the “Veronica Mars” character was originally conceived as a YA character. In fact, the character of Wanda Varner (played by Rachel Roth) in the first season episode, “Return of the Kane” was a character’s name in Thomas’ YA novel, “Rats Saw God.” The plot in “Rats Saw Good” actually bears a strong resemblance to the “Mars vs. Mars” episode in season one, and there’s a second season episode that uses the same title.

4. The show’s theme song, “We Used to be Friends” was performed by the Dandy Warhols, who had an album inspired by a Kurt Vonnegut novel called Welcome to the Monkey House. A sticker for that album can be seen on Veronica Mars’ locker (it’s the banana sticker with the 14 spray painted over it).


5. Whenever you see Duncan and Logan during the series in which they were both on, you’ll always notice that Duncan always wears blues, while Logan always wears browns. That’s because early on in the series, the network was afraid that people would confuse to the two actors, Teddy Dunn and Jason Dohring, who bear some resemblance.

6. In the original conception of the series, Veronica and Duncan were actually going to be related, which would’ve created a little bit of that Flowers in the Attic vibe, but when the show was picked up by a broadcast network instead of a cable network, Rob Thomas nixed the idea.

7. The original conception for the show — with the “Angelina Jolie at 17”-like character — was clearly darker: Veronica’s rape scene, for instance, was meant to be longer and more graphic; Lilly’s dead body was to have been tossed into a river; and there was meant to be a larger conspiracy covering up the death of Lilly, which would have included Strom Jenkins and Don Lamb.

8. Meanwhile, Dick Casablancas wasn’t really even supposed to be a character in the series. Ryan Hansen was cast only to yell one line in the pilot (“Logan!”), and he was only cast because Rob Thomas thought he had good hair. In fact, in a callback to that, in the episode “A Trip to the Dentist,” Veronica tells Dick that he “has nice hair.”


9. James Jordan played two different characters on “Veronica Mars”: Thomas “Lucky” Dohanic in season two, and Tim Foyle in season three.


10. You can thank television director Mark Piznarski, who directed the “VM” pilot, for the character name of Piz.

11. Directors Joss Whedon and Kevin Smith — both huge fans of “VM” — had cameos in the series.



12. Heather Graham was heavily considered for the role of Kendell Casablancas, but couldn’t take it because she was working on “Emily’s Reasons Why Not.” Charisma Carpenter was cast instead. Likewise, Whedonverse’s Alyson Hannigan was cast as Trina Echols over Tara Reid and Denise Richards.


13. Adam Kaufman, the gentlemen below, played Andre in a first season episode of “Veronica Mars.” When Rob Thomas pitched the idea of a season four to the network to save it from cancellation, he set it in the future, which would’ve had Veronica in the FBI Academy and an all new cast. However, included in that cast would’ve been Kaufman, playing an entirely different character.


14. At the time of its second season renewal, “Veronica Mars” was the lowest rated show in network history to get renewed (it was also the only drama that survived the UPN 2004-2005 season).

15. In the season two episode, “Blast from the Past,” Jackie’s DVR includes the show, “Cupid,” which was another Rob Thomas show cancelled too soon.


16. In the “X-Files,” Scully and Mulder always use the same fictional rental car company, Lariat. It’s also the rental car company used in an episode of “VM.”


17. You may recognize the numbers at the bottom of the fortune in Veronica Mars’ fortune cookie as the infamous numbers from “Lost.”


18. Beaver Cassablancas was introduced in the first season specifically set up to be the big bad of season two, although all the details had yet to be worked out. In the 13th episode of season two, Thomas also offered an unexplained clue that Beaver was the bad guy when Beaver warns Dick, “I’ll get even; remember Sally.” It is never explained that Sally was Dick’s pet, which Beaver had killed, because explaining it might have given tipped Beaver as the killer.

19. Over on “Arrested Development,” the only episode in which George-Michael was ever bleeped was “Family Ties.” However, it wasn’t for swearing. It was for mentioning the off-network “Veronica Mars.” Michael Cera and Alia Shawkat guest starred in an episode (“The Rapes of Graff”) of Veronica Mars that would air a month later.


20. There are a ton of people who had guest roles on “Veronica Mars” that would later become famous, and I won’t go through the entire list, except to identity my two favorites: Aaron Paul and Armie Hammer.



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  • Lindsey

    Is it sad that I knew pretty much all of these, except 12 and 16? The first episode I watched was the one with Aaron Paul. I watched it because it was on during reruns of the first season, and I always heard good things about it from Michael Ausiello. As soon as I saw Aaron Paul was in the episode, I was hooked. Can't wait for the movie!

  • Heidi

    if anyone has SoapNet, Monday-Friday VM is on at 5pm and 6pm and also on Saturdays from 1pm-4pm and sometimes on Sundays, but it is the same as the Saturday ones. just wanted to put that out there.. watching it now. also can't wait for the movie

  • Emma

    Ooh! Another one! The word "snitch" written on the duct tape on Wallace's chest was actually misspelled--it read "snich." According to the pilot script posted on creator Rob Thomas' website, this mistake is intentional.


  • Emma

    Ooh! Found more:

    Veronica's dog in the pilot is different from the one seen in the series. This one is a brown and white American Bulldog, while the later one is a brown American Pit Bull Terrier. When the show got picked up, they decided to recast Backup. This was done to avoid dealing with Backup One's dog trainer, as their lack of preparation for the pilot shoots delayed production a lot.

  • kinoumenthe

    "Teddy Dunn and Jason Dohring, who bear some resemblance."
    … In that they are both dudes ? Because one would seriously be hard pressed to find any other.

  • Emma

    "all white guys look alike", maybe :D

  • Emma

    I rewatched the show lately and noticed the thing with Sally. I felt like such a wiseass, but it felt good noticing that part!

  • James

    The Lucky - Tim Foyle thing is still a terrible and distracting idea.

  • I did know three and four, and despite not liking noir or mysteries or crime shows I watched Veronica Mars just because I loved Rob Thomas' YA novels so much. He also wrote the script for teen movie Drive Me Crazy, which has certain plot elements that bear a strong resemblance to Rats Saw God.

  • Jorhay

    13/20! But I always thought Sally was Dick's surfboard. And the line was "you have the best hair!"

  • go_nelly

    i feel really stupid admitting this, especially after how many VM reruns and marathons on SoapNet i've watched this year... but i seriously didn't know that Lucky and Tim were played by the same guy. this is going to haunt me now.

  • baxlala

    I don't know how I didn't know The X-Files thing. I guess by the time VM aired, I had stopped recording all mentions of TXF by other shows/movies/etc on my Geocities X-Files site (shut up).

  • NateMan

    21. I'd like to be the meat in a Veronica-Meg sandwich. Lettuce optional, lots of mayo.

  • APOCooter

    Someone is probably going to yell at you for that, but it's not going to be me. I started laughing like the pubescent boy I never grew out of.

  • NateMan

    Eh, sometimes it's necessary to let go of the maturity for a while.

  • MarTeaNi

    Arg I don't know why this bothers me so much, but the number 14 isn't spray painted, that's tape.

  • the_wakeful

    I just finished rewatching season 1 last week. Was this list written for me? Also, the Lost numbers factoid just exploded my mind out my ears.

  • Allen

    If I make the entire list of of pre-fame guests, would you post it?

  • I got to Girl Next Door during the rewatch I started this weekend. I was all "Hey there, Jessica Chastain."

  • go_nelly

    me too! and there have been so many other familiar faces, don't know why i just wasn't expecting that one.

  • Oo I have one!

    Rob Thomas wrote the part of Mac for Tina Majorino ... who he had met years earlier, after she emailed him about one of his books at the age of thirteen! She was on a five-year acting break at the time, but when she came back he was ready with a part for her.

  • Long_Pig_Tailor

    Seriously? How did I not know that? Also it's freaking awesome.

  • Michelle

    Sigh. I really should rewatch this before the movie comes out.

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    i feel really stupid admitting
    this, especially after how many VM reruns and marathons on SoapNet i've
    watched this year... but i seriously didn't know that Lucky and Tim were
    played by the same guy. this is going to haunt me now.

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