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Lloyd Dobler Can Shove That Boombox Where The Sun Don't Shine: The Most Iconic, Unromantic Gestures

By Joanna Robinson | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (48)



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To quote one of the romantic heroes on this list, “We live…in a cynical world.” Too, true, Jerry, too true. I don’t count myself among the cynics. I promise you, I love a good romance. There’s something delightfully indulgent in letting yourself be swept up in a love story. I love that Tom Hanks knows that Meg Ryan’s favorite flower is the daisy in You’ve Got Mail. That he reads “Pride and Prejudice” in order to impress her. I get a little choked up when Joel Barish simply tells Clementine “Okay,” after she’s listed the reasons why their relationship won’t work. My heart flips when Harold Crick presents a bouquet of flours to his baker sweetheart Ana. But you won’t find those gestures on the usual “Most Romantic Movie Moments” lists. Instead you’ll find these, and I find that baffling. Maybe there’s something broken and warped in my soul, but these particular interactions never got to me. So since February is upon us and Valentine’s Day is right around the corner, let’s take a moment to reassess these iconic “romantic gestures” for what they really are.

Casablanca—“Here’s Looking At You, Kid.”
There’s a complicated shell game at the center of Casablanca. Who will take the precious letter of transport and get the hell outta Morocco. Will it be Rick and Ilsa? Ilsa and Viktor? In the end Rick takes the noble high road and sacrifices himself so Ilsa and her husband can flee to freedom and continue their political fight. Is it brave? Yes. Noble? Sure. Romantic? No. In fact, Rick is rejecting romance for the greater good. It’s a lovely, dramatic, emotional scene. But romantic it is not.

Love Actually—“Just In Cases”
Unlike some hard-hearted bastards, I do love this movie. Well, most of this movie. Despite my affection for Colin Firth I cannot get behind his terrible plot line wherein he rebounds, hard, for his Portuguese maid. Despite the fact that they can’t communicate with one another. But he’s sure he loves her because their bond is, what, deeper? And he fancies her tattoo? Then the dimwit proposes to her…because he learned some Portuguese (good first step). And this all takes place, mind you, in the span of one month. At least the porn couple talked to each other. I suspect writer Richard Curtis knew this particular depiction of love was specious given Aurelia’s awkwardly flirtatious jokes during the epilogue. (“I think, maybe now I have made the wrong choice? Picked wrong Englishman?”) Oh, Uncle Jamie, when you get cheated on again, we’ll be there to pick up the pieces.

Gone With The Wind—“You Need To Be Kissed…And Kissed Hard.”
Oh there are many problems with this film. We all know this. But this is not an article about race so allow me to focus solely on the relationship between Rhett Butler and Scarlett O’Hara. He’s an arrogant but “tender-hearted” rake, she’s a tough, selfish, conniving b*tch. But they’re meant for each other! Sure, fine, I see that. I like a story when two strong-willed people find each other, scrap a bit, and come together at the end. But the relentlessly aggressively sexual way Rhett approaches Scarlett? The scene where he essentially rapes (or “ravishes”) her and she adores it? That doesn’t sit well with me. Never has.

Titanic—“I’ll Never Let Go. I Promise.”
You know what’s romantic? Rolling your shapely ass over a bit so your heroic lover can share that raft/door/ornamental headboard? with you. Oh did it capsize on your first try? TRY AGAIN. No dice? Then maybe you should consider taking turns in the freezing water. I’m just saying, surviving is more romantic than dying, no matter what Shakespeare said.

Say Anything—“In Your Eyes”
When this particular love scene pops up on “Most Romantic Movie Moments” lists, and it always does, the author inevitably includes the written equivalent of a nervous laugh. Usually it goes something like this, “My god, this is SO romantic. I mean, ha, it would be SUPER creepy, if it weren’t, like, SO ROMANTIC.” Yeah, no, folks, it’s super creepy. I love Lloyd Dobler. If I were Diane Court I would count myself awfully lucky to snare him. But if you break up with someone and they end up outside your window…at night…playing the song you had sex to? I’m sorry, that’s just one shinny up the drainpipe away from Edward Cullen mouth breathing* in the corner while you sleep. Once again, I love Lloyd Dobler, I’m awfully glad he got the girl, but this business is over the line.

Pride and Prejudice—“You Must Allow Me To Tell You How Ardently I Admire And Love You”
Admittedly, I picked this version of Mr. Darcy’s famous proposal because there is the added nonsense of the pouring rain and the insipid moment where they almost make out/snack on each other. But that silliness aside this is an UNromatic moment, people. Lizzie sees that, why can’t you? Darcy loves her against his will and tells her so. He confesses that she is beneath him, that he disdains her family. And while this may be strictly true, it is no way to woo a lady. The beauty of the character of Darcy is how he evolves over the course of the story. Similarly, it’s equally important for Elizabeth to come to understand him better. The gulf between them in this scene is intentionally wide so you can measure the distance they travel to find each other. So, please, do me a favor, save your swoons for later. Collapse during that idiotic stroll through the moor at dawn, if you must. But spare me here.

Jerry Maguire—“You Had Me At Hello.”
So, there are plenty of reasons for our hero Jerry to like Dorothy Boyd. She went with him! She believes in him! She bent her life around his! Her kid is awfully cute! Or awful! Or something. But he treats her like crap, takes her for granted, neglects her. So she does the strong thing and leaves him. Well done! And, inevitably, he grovels in order to win her back. As well he should. And what does she do? She says, “You had me at hello.” As in, it doesn’t matter that or if he learned the error of his ways. It doesn’t matter if he’s grown as a man. He’s there! She’s his! End of story! Strike two, Cameron Crowe. You’re better than this. You gave us, ” I just happened to be nowhere near your neighborhood.” Get it together, man.

Notting Hill—“I’m Just A Girl, Standing In Front Of A Boy…”
Oh these simpletons deserve each other. Have at it, simpletons.

*Fine, fine, Twihards, Edward Cullen probably doesn’t mouth breathe…because he doesn’t, well, breath. BUT HE’S MOUTH BREATHING IN HIS SOUL.









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Comments

I was posting the Patton Oswalt thing after looking at the picture....it is hilarious.

Where is Andie Macdowell and her dazzling reading of the line "oh, it's raining, I hadn't noticed". That was pure shite and it almost ruined a pretty good movie.

Posted by: Rubble44 at February 2, 2012 12:18 AM

Even though it hurts me to admit that "just in cases" was a bad idea, I can't, in good conscience, disagree with any of these. Good list. And? You used "shinny", which everyone gets wrong & it makes me love you even MORE, which I didn't think was possible!

Posted by: Lainey at February 2, 2012 12:23 AM

Casablanca unromantic?! What about the scene where the police chief forces the girl to have sex with him? Classic Hollywood romance at it's finest.

Posted by: fracas at February 2, 2012 1:06 AM

This is my favorite random list. Probably of all time.

Posted by: AngelArm45 at February 2, 2012 1:14 AM

Totally agree about that version of P&P. That scene should read more wtf than sexual tension.

Also, I get why GWTW is problematic, but I just love it so much. I think the more romantic scenes are the quiet ones when Scarlett allows Rhett to take care of her or give her handkerchiefs. But clearly the whole relationship is a terrible disaster.

Posted by: kelsy at February 2, 2012 2:14 AM

THANK YOU.

Posted by: Jelinas at February 2, 2012 2:29 AM

The utter implausibility of romantic comedies explains how I've managed not to see a Meg Ryan movie since Sleepless in Seattle (which I mostly watched for Rosie O'Donnell's turn as the archetypal sassy best friend, which was such a great throwback to the forties). Not even the promise of Mark Ruffalo, Jennifer Jason Leigh and BJs could bring me back into her presence by 2003.

Posted by: Jerry at February 2, 2012 2:50 AM

after spending an entire day on full on panics, with complementary panic attacks that not even a veronica mars marathon could cure I started laughing my ass off at the titanic part. for that THANK YOU!!!! other than that, I second AngelArm45, this might be my favorite Pajiba list of all times, I always found the first Pride and Prejudice declaration full on hilarious I don't really see how anybody could find it romantic, really? it's funny as hell! in a very contained english humor way of course.

Posted by: rio at February 2, 2012 3:08 AM

Thank You! I hate Lloyd Dobler's stalker behavior. Especially since I grew up with that stupid movie and had that stupid scene play out with unimaginative guys. Some actually used different songs. Mom just set the dogs on them.

Now for actual romantic moments in movies:

Marty yelling at his mother that he's no prize either.

Paul Henried lighting two cigarettes and handing one to Bette Davis in Now, Voyager.

Check out the list at http://movies.about.com/library/weekly/aaafitoplista.htm

Although I don't agree with all of choices, especially the first 10. The original Love Affair with Charles Boyer is far superior to the Cary Grant version. I'm sure that many find it amazing that a short, balding, not especially attractive Frenchman could be more romantic than Cary Grant but he does it every time.

Posted by: Jennface at February 2, 2012 3:13 AM

Bless you for this! I also get really annoyed at the kiss-slap scenes, you know the ones I mean. He says something thoughtless. She is overcome with rage and slaps him in the face. Three seconds later rage and incomprehension have inexplicably merged into passion. If I'm angry enough with someone to even contemplate violence you can be sure nookie will not follow immediately thereafter. Give me 30 minutes at least.
Also, never underestimate short balding Frenchmen. Trust me on this.

Posted by: cinekat at February 2, 2012 3:45 AM

Really? Casablanca?

Leaving with her would have been the easy choice. Instead he was selfless and gave her a better chance at happiness, you know, with the guy she was already married to instead of a jaded old bar owner.

It's not the kind of ultimately self serving romance you see in movies, but it is romantic.

Posted by: SpecialAgentBertMacklin at February 2, 2012 4:27 AM

Mr. Darcy's first proposal in Pride and Prejudice is NOT romantic, and isn't supposed to be. It's frankly one of the worst proposals I can think of in classic literature, only beaten by Mr. Edward Rochester's "Oh, I made you think I was going to marry Blanche Ingram just to torture you, of course you love me and want to be with me." I don't care whether he's played by Timothy Dalton, or Toby Stephens or Michael Fassbender, the man's a magnificent bastard.

Posted by: Malin at February 2, 2012 4:56 AM

"Titanic—“I’ll Never Let Go. I Promise.”
You know what’s romantic? Rolling your shapely ass over a bit so your heroic lover can share that raft/door/ornamental headboard? with you. Oh did it capsize on your first try? TRY AGAIN. No dice? Then maybe you should consider taking turns in the freezing water. I’m just saying, surviving is more romantic than dying, no matter what Shakespeare said."

Thank you!

"Sure, fine, I see that. I like a story when two strong-willed people find each other, scrap a bit, and come together at the end. But the relentlessly aggressively sexual way Rhett approaches Scarlett? The scene where he essentially rapes (or “ravishes”) her and she adores it? That doesn’t sit well with me. Never has."

Yeah, this really wierds me out, in old films when the male lead grabs an unwilling woman and forces her, only for her to melt into his arms eventually. Seriously, I can do without the 'hero' forcing women to do anything sexual. If women ever really want to be dominated against their will then relax and give in to it then they can damn well go without, and if they don't what kind of message is this sending?

Posted by: Ender at February 2, 2012 6:37 AM

It's frankly one of the worst proposals I can think of in classic literature
Hey now, it's not worse than Mr Collins's. ;)

Darcy's first proposal is only romantic in that way that it really and truly sets off his character development. I like the movie version in that sense because they are both attracted to one another but they don't know yet and they both have to grow (a lot, really) before they a) figure it out and b) deserve one another. The series Darcy and Elizabeth are more disdainful to one another, it's more a battle of wits there. In that sense, the series is perhaps closer to the book but I still like the way the movie played it. And anyway, the second proposal is more important!

(Besides, I can't help but swoon over Matthew M, so swooning during P&P is kind of a given.)

Posted by: Linda at February 2, 2012 7:56 AM

That P&P proposal scene is, IMHO, a crystallization of everything that is wrong with that version. It is a horrible proposal and Darcy blunders terribly. To inject sexual tension into it is beyond implausible.

But on to Love, Actually. To me the heinous-wretchedness of this movie reaches fever pitch when that sad sack shows up at Knightley's door with the signs. Doesn't one of them say something like "You Are Perfect?" Oh. Gag. Does this make me one of your heartless bastards? May I still inject here that I love this list? What if I brought you flowers...?

Posted by: klingonfree at February 2, 2012 8:27 AM

I think the whole "yell-armpull-slap-kiss" thing is/was some kind of latent BDSM vibe that producers either couldn't show or didn't realize they were displaying. It screams "SUBMIT AND LIKE IT" not in a violent way necessarily; that is, not rapey, just toeing the line enough to be consensual but on your knees consensual.

Posted by: the other courtney at February 2, 2012 9:07 AM

The flours make my little grinch heart grow three sizes every time. Anyone who doesn't love that has no soul. They're the people who didn't at least tear up in Toy Story 3. Y'know, that's going on my litmus test ...

Posted by: Tori at February 2, 2012 9:23 AM

It makes sense in the context of GWTW, though, because Scarlet's such a stupid, bitchy character. Rhett's "overpowering" her always read as more exasperation to me, like he was attracted to her but only had so much patience for her incessant game-playing.

Totally agree about some of the dumber plot lines in Love Actually and about Jerry Maguire, though. That was one messed-up relationship and if there was a sequel, it would be about how Dorothy, ten years later, caught Jerry in a motel room with some starry-eyed intern, leaves his sorry ass and when he comes crawling back, has the guts to tell him to stuff it. I'd pay to see that movie. Self-proclaimed dreamers are the biggest assholes.

Posted by: Wednesday at February 2, 2012 9:27 AM

Colin Firth could be sitting on the crapper and yelling "How bout it" through the door and it would still be romantic

Colin Firth and his maid was the best part of Love Actually and his proposal was incredibly romantic

Colin Firth is the only Mr. Darcy and his condescending confession of love is still romantic

Colin Firth saying "I like you just as you are" is unbelievably romantic

WHY?

Because Colin Firth's characters are so uptight and self concious that for them to say anything at all is just damn romantic

Posted by: kirbyjay at February 2, 2012 9:36 AM

Colin Firth saying "I like you just as you are" is unbelievably
romantic

Yes. This. Not the other things. But this.

Posted by: Joanna Robinson at February 2, 2012 9:39 AM

FINALLY! Someone sees the fatal flaw (there's just one?) in Notting Hill. Julia Roberts' character is completely selfish and treats Hugh Grant's character horribly, and yet SHE'S PRETTY SO HE MUST LOVE HER.

Stupid movie.

Posted by: JH at February 2, 2012 9:42 AM

Honestly, like Wednesday I've always been a bit confused by Jerry Maguire and had attributed it to being sleepy whilst watching the film because I was utterly perplexed by the ending. I mean, I didn't really want them to get back together. 'He's been a jerk, and she moves on' could have been an excellent and unexpected film. Instead, it ends with her taking him back? Really?

Posted by: Ruby at February 2, 2012 9:42 AM

This is my favorite list of all the lists. I agree with every single one of these, which is a rare occurrence. Well done.

Also, Colin Firth could be sitting on the crapper and yelling "How bout it" through the door and it would still be romantic just made me laugh out loud at my desk on this rainy Thursday morning. Thanks for that, kirbyjay.

Posted by: PerpetualIntern at February 2, 2012 9:55 AM

The end of Casablanca IS romantic, just not in the way you're thinking of it. Not pertaining to love but in the idealistic, chivalrous sense of the word.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at February 2, 2012 10:09 AM

I agree with Malin. Mr. Darcy's first proposal is not meant to be romantic. I consider it the high point of the book, as it's so unbelievably pompous and unromantic. The fact that it follows Mr. Collins' crappy proposal just makes you feel so much for Lizzie for being considered second hand goods.

Posted by: BWeaves at February 2, 2012 10:27 AM

Kirbyjay: "Colin Firth could be sitting on the crapper and yelling "How bout it" through the door and it would still be romantic."

HAHAHA! I agree.

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Posted by: James at February 2, 2012 10:33 AM

The Love Actually plot mentioned by klingonfree, with the guy and the signs and Keira Knightley, is way worse than the Colin Firth plot. The Firth thing might not be anything more than infatuation, but infatuation can still be romantic even if it's not quite love.

But that sad sack dude with the signs? What the hell? Dude that's a married woman, what kind of asshole goes and tells a newlywed he's in love with her? What is she supposed to do with that information? Now, if she starts feeling sad, or guilty, or if she starts second guessing her marriage, it'll be all HIS fault. What a jerk! The time to tell her how he felt was before the wedding. After that, keep that shit to yourself, man.

Posted by: Cree83 at February 2, 2012 10:36 AM

Not pertaining to love but in the idealistic, chivalrous sense of the word.

You know, like pursuing a crocodile that has eaten a very large emerald so that you can thereby turn that crocodile into boots and buy a sailboat with money from the sale of the jewel to sail around the world with the woman you previously left behind. Twice.


BUT HE’S MOUTH BREATHING IN HIS SOUL.

WHO WATCHES OVER YOOOOOUUUU?!

Posted by: branded at February 2, 2012 10:43 AM

I agree with all of this (especially Lloyd Dobler -- I HATE THAT KID), except for Casablanca. Love doesn't always work out, and sometimes saying goodbye is the ultimate romantic gesture.

Rick obviously wants to be with Ilsa, but not if it would come at the expense of her happiness. It's like the exact opposite of the current crop of annoying romantic leads who insist that they love the other character soooooo much that it doesn't matter that being together will screw up both of their lives. If you love them that much, you should damn well care about those things! In that context, "maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life"? One of the most romantic lines ever.

Posted by: Artemis at February 2, 2012 10:48 AM

Everything Klingonfree said and this:

In Casablanca, he's not rejecting romance for the greater good. He knows if they go together she will never forgive herself and always regret it because of who Lazlo is and what he could achieve. It will eventually poison what they have together. He's embracing the romantic ideal that what they had was perfect and nothing can be allowed to mar that perfection.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 2, 2012 10:49 AM

I never really got the stalker thing either.
That's not love, that is just hormones.

Posted by: MRod at February 2, 2012 10:51 AM

"Self-proclaimed dreamers are the biggest assholes"

YESSSSS!!!! Thanks Wednesday...They really are;/

Posted by: jessa at February 2, 2012 10:57 AM

I LOVEthat scene in the 2005 Pride and Prejudice. Granted, Matthew Macfadyen is speaking and that alone goes a long way for me, but I enjoy the sexual tension and the general non-period appropriateness of it all. He may like her against his better judgment but he is on fire for her. She may still think he's awful, but in the compressed time allotted for a movie she is also already attracted to him: He is Matthew Macfadyen before the bloat and he is speaking after all. I love that scene. It is one of the movie's redeeming moments. It makes me swoon. WAIT! Wait. Put down the cudgel. Put it down, and hear me out. I once tried following an extremely low fat diet. I got a cookbook that included a recipe for brownies made with chocolate syrup instead of cocoa powder or melted chocolate. The result, as I told my BFF, was that "they're pretty good as long as you don't pretend they are brownies". That is how I feel about this P&P. It is in many ways a sham of a mockery or a travesty; however, they got some things right and this scene is one of them as long as you don't pretend it's Pride and Prejudice.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 2, 2012 11:01 AM

I HATED that scene in Jerry Maguire. It would have been 7% less annoying if he had her at "I'm looking for my wife" instead of "hello", but only 7%.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 2, 2012 11:13 AM

THANK YOU for your summation of Titanic! I could never understand why she didn't try harder to fit Leo on that large ass piece of wood with her. He's tiny! He would totally fit!

And I agree with Cree83 about Love Actually. I don't get the point of telling Skinny McGee Knightly that he loved her. But Colin Firth? I don't care what he says or does, that man is delicious.

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at February 2, 2012 11:36 AM

Oh, and yes, the flour scene is my second favorite in Stranger than Fiction. The first being when Harold is playing guitar and singing and she jumps him. *sigh*

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at February 2, 2012 11:38 AM

It is in many ways a sham of a mockery or a travesty; however, they got some things right and this scene is one of them as long as you don't pretend it's Pride and Prejudice.

I don't know. This seems like a gateway argument to harder unromantic adaptations like The Perfect Catch or Demi Moore's The Scarlet Letter.

Posted by: branded at February 2, 2012 11:40 AM

Don't harsh my buzz, dude.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 2, 2012 11:42 AM

Where is Andie Macdowell and her dazzling reading of the line "oh, it's raining, I hadn't noticed". That was pure shite and it almost ruined a pretty good movie.

Agreed. Andie McDowell almost ruined that movie, period.

I unabashedly love all of Love, Actually, I just can't help it. I think it is just because there are so many huge romantic gestures (even if some of them are a bit creepy), and I guess I don't see a lot of proof of that in real life. Maybe I need to move.

And am loving the Stranger Than Fiction love. The flours scene (and what follows) are some of my favorite scenes from any movie.

Posted by: Laura at February 2, 2012 12:02 PM

I can't stand fish lips Elizabeth BUT this movie is still my favorite version BECAUSE of this horrible proposal! It's swoon worthy because it's SO BAD and I think he plays it really well- he is all "emotions! no idea what to do with them! don't know why, they are just there and it's really hard to keep breathing without expressing them" and she is all "bitch PLEASE you are insane, but hot, but insane".

sigh.

Posted by: lilianna28 at February 2, 2012 12:29 PM

Is/Is Not lists are kind of interesting fun toilet reading, really. So I'm taking the list and the comments with a grain of salt. That said, how is it two Cameron Crowe films are embedded in that level of consciousness to make this list of top nine something something?

Posted by: Jerry Kenney at February 2, 2012 12:32 PM

Ugh, yeah, I hate the Colin Firth storyline in Love Actually. It's boring and ridiculous, and the reason his first wife left him is probably because he's a "romantic" idiot who never knew her.

ALSO Rhett says "You need kissing, badly. You need to be kissed, and often, and by someone who knows how." IT IS SEXY. Not disturbing.

What IS disturbing is the conversation in the dining room after they're married. You know, the one where he's super drunk and she's angry and he almost kills her and then takes her upstairs. THAT one's pretty disturbing. And really further proof that Scarlett is an idiot. Still LOVE that movie, though.

And I always loved that scene in Pride and Prejudice, but I never saw it as romantic. HE wants to make out with her right and then and there, but she clearly wants nothing to do with it. If he HAD kissed her that'd be messed up, but it's that moment where he's SO CLOSE because she's so obviously angry with him that works for me. It's not romantic at ALL, but it is all full of angst and feeling. Plus it's just gorgeously filmed.

Posted by: figgy at February 2, 2012 12:45 PM

No, no no....it's not that Rose didn't slide her ass over to give him room, IT'S THAT SHE ACTUALLY KILLED HIM.
He had her in a life boat! She was saved! It was all good! Now, the scrappy survivor that he was, could find something to float on and save his own skin!
Oh no, she jumps off the boat! Now, she's his problem again! He has to babysit her until the boat goes down, then give up his spot on the wooden plank, and die.
HER FAULT COMPLETELY. (I told a female friend that and ruined her love of this ultimate romantic gesture)
ROSE KILLED JACK (although she did improbably cut his handcuffs off with that axe - I will submit that he would have broken his own thumb to get out of them on his own, AND if she had stood up for him when originally accused he might not have ended up under arrest anyway)
Let's just all agree, it's not romantic, it's ROSE KILLED JACK.

Posted by: calvinthebold at February 2, 2012 12:45 PM

I have always found the proposal scene between Elizabeth and Darcy to be dramtically HI-larious. I love Pride and Prejudice but the romance does not take place between these two until the end of the movie. And its that tension between the two THAT makes the story perpetually fascinating to me. So, thanks for that, Joanna. Nice to know I'm not the only one.

Posted by: NeoCleo at February 2, 2012 1:22 PM

Casablanca & Say Anything do not belong on this list. There are more than a handful of shitty romantic comedy movies that should have made this list. Thumbs down for the two movies on this list.

Posted by: Nono at February 2, 2012 2:49 PM

Gone With The Wind has its merits as a cinematic achievement, but Scarlett and Rhett are both fairly deplorable in behavior (she in her general attitude about marriage and he in his treatment of her) throughout the story. That's not to say that their characters are not enjoyable at times, but I fail to see why anyone would swoon over any of it.

How about this? The fact that Dorothy was "had at 'hello'" by Jerry was simple honesty. Jerry has her number beyond better sense at this point in the story, and it's a good thing that he (apparently) evolved, because she's perpetually going to fall for even a semblance of attention from him. You're right to call it on not being nearly as romantic as people make it out to be with respect to her particular line, but I can understand the argument that his turnaround and statement by themselves were in fact romantic. Dorothy fell for the idealism of the mission statement. That's when Jerry had her. I guess "you had me at the mission statement" just wasn't as catchy, although it could have worked, since she's the one who referred to it as a "memo" and while he insisted on the other descriptor.

I think the reason Darcy's speech resonated with me so powerfully all those years ago when I first read it is that, as well-written monologues go, it's extremely effective. So many of us know those fearful, exhilarating moments when we have gone out on a limb declaring that measure of feeling for someone. It's as "watershed" as we find in our personal interactions in my opinion. The fact that Darcy is flawed and still has a journey ahead of him in understanding Elizabeth is just sauce for the story. It's that initial leap off the diving board that is memorable.

Lloyd's 19. He's in love. I was an absolute MORON at 19 when it came to love. Maybe the boombox is over the line, but we've all done stupid things around that age in the pursuit of love. What would have happened if Lloyd hadn't pulled out the boombox? What if he hadn't persisted in those phone calls? There's a good chance they wouldn't have gotten back together at all. Or maybe Diane would have gone back to him anyway after discovering that her father was a crook (though perhaps not), but how would we as viewers have felt about Lloyd if he *hadn't* banged his head against a wall in trying to get her back? People get together for all sorts of ill-conceived and poorly executed reasons. That's reality. It doesn't mean that the resulting relationship need be worth any less. So, yeah, I'll acknowledge that the boombox alone isn't as romantic of an icon as it's made out to be, but it's a mighty powerful symbol of an overall journey that was plenty romantic.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at February 2, 2012 6:30 PM

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