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Five Male Actors Who Have Been Overlooked By the Academy for Too (F**king) Long

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (71)



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Yesterday I ran down a list of five female performers who I thought were better suited for Oscar glory than Sandra Bullock, for reasons involving talent (Sarah Polley, Catherine Keener) or because they’d give a better Oscar speech (Drew Barrymore, oh be quiet). Since there was no male equivalent of Sandra Bullock on the Oscar stage this past weekend, I thought today we could look, simply, at five male actors who have been, for too long, overlooked by the Academy.

christialln-bale.jpg5. Christian Bale: I could see why the Academy failed to reward Bale with even a nomination for his best known work in the two Batman movies or even his lackluster performance in Terminator 5. I didn’t find his performance ground-shaking in Public Enemies, either. But, if those higher profile roles had come along before his best performances and given him the recognition he has now, there’s no way that the Academy could’ve overlooked his performances in either The Machinist (a role for which he lost 62 pounds) or American Psycho. He was also overlooked for a brilliant performance in Warner Herzog’s Rescue Dawn, another role in which he completely lost himself. Bale is one of the best character actors in Hollywood; he just happens to get leading man roles.

gary oldman4.jpg4. Gary Oldman: Oldman, actually, is one of those actors for which the Academy should invent an Oscar for body of work, where an actor has given consistently remarkable performances over his career but perhaps hasn’t given one stand-out one. Although, where Oldman is concerned, there are several roles worthy of at least some consideration, including solid turns in The Dark Knight, The Contender, Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead, Sid and Nancy and what I personally considered his best role: Drexl Spivey in True Romance. He was pretty outstanding in Leon, too. As for Dracula? The less we talk about it, the better he fits on this list.

johnny-depp-rumour.jpg3. Johnny Depp: What? You say? Johnny Depp doesn’t already have an Oscar? Actually, no. He’s been nominated three times, for Pirates of the Caribbean, Sweeney Todd, and Finding Neverland, though he was shut out all three years, with good reason. The sin here, however, was that he wasn’t recognized at all for his best three roles: Ed Wood, What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I might even throw in some added recognition for outstanding performances in Edward Scissorhands and Donnie Brasco. Depp, like Bale, is one of those guys that the Academy came to recognize a decade too late, but like Martin Scorsese, my guess is that he’ll eventually get an Oscar for a role he didn’t deserve one for, as if to atone for past transgressions. Also, it’s a shame they don’t give Oscars for pretty.

sam_rochkwell.jpg2. Sam Rockwell: The fact that Sam Rockwell hasn’t even had the whiff of a Oscar nomination yet proves just how behind the times the Academy is. I could perhaps understand why the Academy overlooked his fantastic performance in Moon if it were an aberration. But Rockwell should’ve been on the Academy’s radar years ago, starting with his performance in Lawn Dogs and extending through performances in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, Matchstick Men and more recently, in Snow Angels. (He had nice turns in Frost/Nixon and The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, too). Cinephiles already know and love the man and a large part of the viewing public is familiar with him, but apparently, the Academy has no clue. His role in Iron Man 2 should, at the very least, raise awareness, so that the next time he turns in a performance like he did in Moon, the Academy won’t be able to ignore him.

JohnMalkovich_02.jpg1. John Malkovich: Criminal, isn’t it? He’s been nominated twice, both for supporting roles (In the Line of Fire and Places in the Heart), but it’s been so long since he’s gotten any Academy recognition that I doubt he’s even invited to the Oscar ceremony anymore. No props for his outstanding role in Shadow of a Vampire or The Killing Fields or Dangerous Liaisons, not to mention the one where he deftly played himself in Being John Malcovich. Seriously, this guy is one of the best actors of the last 30 years, and the best one without an Oscar statue sitting on his mantle. That situation needs to be rectified. Like, yesterday.









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Comments

Oh God. There's nothing random about this list at all.

Stay outta my bunk!!!

Posted by: AM at March 10, 2010 3:05 PM

I'm glad you mentioned "True Romance"... he gives me the chills every time I see that performance.

Posted by: snapnhiss at March 10, 2010 3:11 PM

I didn't know who John Malkovich was until I saw Con Air back when it came out. After that I was a fan especially from seeing In the Line of Fire. Now I'll see anything he's in.

Posted by: Dingle Berry at March 10, 2010 3:13 PM

I've never noticed it until seeing them together on this list, but the similarities between the five of them are striking.

Posted by: ThunderSacTriumph at March 10, 2010 3:13 PM

I think Viggo Mortenson fits in well here. He magnificently underplayed what could have been a potentially verbose Aragorn in the LOTR trilogy, and his 'Joey Kusack' character in "A History of Violence"is incredible. I think your list is dead on otherwise.

Posted by: James at March 10, 2010 3:16 PM

Now that is a good list! I really do think that the only way Depp will get an Oscar is if he stops working with Burton and Disney.

Posted by: admin at March 10, 2010 3:23 PM

I'd swap Rockwell for Edward Norton (American History X, y'all. Seriously), but I still think this list is absolutely fabulous. I can't believe Malkovich doesn't have an Oscar.

Posted by: Jelinas at March 10, 2010 3:28 PM

Replace Bale with Peter O'Toole and the list is perfect.

Not that I have anything against Bale its just that I haven't seen a performance of his yet where I came away with the feeling that he deserved an Academy Award.

The closest has been The Machinist.

Posted by: John W at March 10, 2010 3:30 PM

How could you not mention Oldman's stunning work in The Fifth Element? The fact that it was overlooked was criminal!

I keed, I keed. This is a great list, actually. I am kind of stunned that Oldman and Malkovich don't have trophies. And I agree with James that Viggo Mortenson would fit in well on this list also.

Posted by: Katers at March 10, 2010 3:33 PM

If you're going to create an Oscar for "Body of Work" then here are few other actors who would be deserving:

Alan Rickman
Ian Holm
Burt Reynolds
Charles Durning
Albert Finney
Joan Cusack
Pam Grier
Bette Midler
Steve Buscemi

This list could literally be endless with all the great actors that toil in anonymity without recognition, especially when it comes to female and minority actors.

Posted by: John W at March 10, 2010 3:42 PM

That we are able to compile lists like this, and yesterday's, is one of the best reasons I can give for treating The Oscars like the stupid, meaningless telecast that it is and spending those hours marveling over gowns, laughing at actory-douchebag antics (Clooney, i'm lookin at you) and enjoying an excuse to eat junk food, drink copiously and hang out with my friends on a random Sunday night.

Posted by: JenVegas at March 10, 2010 3:45 PM

I could be wrong about this but.....Bill Murray!

Posted by: peanut at March 10, 2010 3:50 PM

Bill Murray! *headdesk* You're right. One Oscar nom, but no gold. I have no idea how I could've managed to leave him off. Ed Norton is a good one, too. I felt for sure that he'd gotten the Oscar for Primal Fear, but you're right. Only a nomination. Clearly, this list should've been ten people long.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at March 10, 2010 3:56 PM

Great list. Completely agree. I would add Bill Murray and Ed Norton, but the ones listed are definitely the top 5.

Posted by: Riles at March 10, 2010 4:00 PM

ROBERT DOWNEY JR! COME ON.

Posted by: The Pope at March 10, 2010 4:01 PM

Okay, I thought the pictures of Oldman was of David Spade and thought this was all a big ol' joke.

Posted by: samantha t at March 10, 2010 4:04 PM

It's hard to argue with any of those on the list, except for maybe Johnny Depp, who has three deserving nominations but didn't deserve the Oscar over any of the winners. You could easily add John Cusak and Jake Gyllenhall to this list.

Posted by: Brian K at March 10, 2010 4:05 PM

Yep, totally agree with everything.

Posted by: Nadine at March 10, 2010 4:07 PM

Malkovich can be great, but man, he's had some big turkeys. I'm thinking specifically of the animated Beowulf and his turn as the arch-villain in Eragon. Not only did he completely mail it in, but every second that passed while he was on screen, my voice grew louder and louder: "Shut up, Malkovich...shut UP, Malkovich...goddamnit Malkovich just shut the fuck up...Malkovich you flat lazy ass shut your fucking mouth or I'm gonna go Elvis-style on my TV!!!"

It's kinda like watching Wesley Crusher-heavy episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Shut up, Wesley, and shut up, Malkovich.

Posted by: Stoat(Cat) at March 10, 2010 4:11 PM

Alan Rickman is so icy they won't let him near L.A. in March.

Posted by: D-Day at March 10, 2010 4:11 PM

I thought the great thing about a character actor was that he could just transform himself from role to role and just be able to do his craft. I know in a perfect world everyone who deserved an Oscar would get one and everyone who didn't (or who would shortly squander the good will away CUBA & MARISSA) would be outright scoffed out, but that's not the case.

There are so many politics behind the strings of the Academy Awards and most of those men I could barely see stooping to that level. I know there are exceptions, but in general, the public has to clamor for a victor, which they see as a face they can get behind (or suck on as the case may be).

Those actors mentioned are all amazing. They know that and they probably know the academy has long since lost its luster.

But dammit they do deserve to win something, no matter how trite that shit is.

Posted by: Kayanne at March 10, 2010 4:12 PM

I'm seeing Sam Rockwell with Christopher Walken and Anthony Mackie on Broadway in a week. In a play by Martin McDonagh. Just thought I'd make y'all jealous. I'm gonna go pack now.

Posted by: A-schaef at March 10, 2010 4:32 PM

I second James comments: need room to squeeze in Viggo. Esp. for 'Eastern Promises' and I also liked 'A Walk on the Moon' despite Diane Lane.

Posted by: GinKirk at March 10, 2010 4:47 PM

Sam Rockwell's performance at the end of Midsummer Night's Dream was awesome. He took classic Shakespeare and made it into something totally new and different and genius. LOVE him. :)

Posted by: fartygirl at March 10, 2010 4:50 PM

I'm down with this list, except for Depp, he already got his Oscar for basically doing a variation of his stock weirdo character MAYBE for Donnie Brasco, maybe. He still doesn't rank with the Malkovich-Oldman-Beeblebrox trifecta.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 10, 2010 5:01 PM

A-schaef I freakin hate you right now. I am going to be in NY in April and I'm HOPING and PRAYING that the show is still running and that those three are still in those roles....Don't ask me how I'm going to afford those tickets though.

Posted by: JenVegas at March 10, 2010 5:09 PM

Although it probably wasn't the greatest movie ever, I really thought Bale's performance in "The Prestige" was unreal. Also, I really liked that movie.

Posted by: Hoof Hearted at March 10, 2010 5:21 PM

Stanley Tucci.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at March 10, 2010 5:28 PM

The tragic thing is that both Bale and Malkovich should have won for the same movie: Empire Of The Sun. When one thinks of all the undeserving snotty-nosed kids who have "charmed" the Academy into giving them Oscars (Tatum O'Neal for Christ's sake!), the fact that Bale's performance in EOTS was miles ahead of all of them just kills me. And Malkovich should have won for best supporting in the same film: he oozed malice and evil.

Posted by: PaddyDog at March 10, 2010 5:30 PM

So people who bring the crazy? I'd be petrified to meet 4 out 5 of these guys just in case something went wrong and they decided to take it out on someone near by.

Posted by: kelsy at March 10, 2010 5:49 PM

christian bale = overrated.

Posted by: citizen_cris at March 10, 2010 5:51 PM

A big FUCK YES to Oldman, Bale, and Malkovich. Also, get out of my head, Dustin. Yesterday after I read the actress list I thought of those three and realized all over again what a pile of shit the Oscars are. But honestly, like Kayanne said, none of those men would consider stooping to the levels required to go through all the campaigning necessary to actually win. They would be much more likely to tell the Academy to stick Oscar sideways up their ass.

Posted by: stardust at March 10, 2010 5:56 PM

and Willem Dafoe?!

Christian Bale(who always is in every " most snubbed actors"'s list) may be nominated for "the fighter" the next year:it seems he's incredible in Dickie Ecklund

and even if i 'm not a Hugh Jackman fan,he was great in "the fountain" and "the prestige" but it may be his 2 one and only good movies he did(except 2 first X-men)


Posted by: caro at March 10, 2010 5:57 PM

Oh, and FUCK YES to Rockwell too. After seeing his performance in Moon, I will watch him and listen to his slightly nerdy voice in anything.

Posted by: stardust at March 10, 2010 6:00 PM

I'm sure everyone is sick of me ragging on how irrelevant the Oscars are, but tough shit. The Oscars ARE irrelevant and this list (and any number of other lists) proves it. I don't care that Oscar-winning movies and people get cred or bigger box office or bigger salary or whatever. I'm sure it's a nice thing to be able to add to your resume, but it doesn't really make you "Best." Is Kevin Costner really one of the best directors today? The pretension that the Oscars are about quality is insulting. To everybody. Martin Scorcese didn't win an Oscar until 2007. That right there tells you all you need to know about the Oscars awarding excellence. However you feel about Scorcese, Costner getting a Best Director Oscar before Scorcese is damn near criminal. The same year Costner won, Scorcese was nominated for "Goodfellas."

Posted by: Slash at March 10, 2010 6:01 PM

Sam Rockwell is a one-note actor and really doesn't belong on this list. Malkovich has been phoning it in for years - or should I say "phoney-ing" it in? He's all eyebrows and teeth.

Clive Owen, mofo.

Posted by: Ben Turkowitz at March 10, 2010 6:02 PM

I'm not worried for Bale or Depp as I think they will have plenty of chances to get those Oscars. But someone like Oldman or Malkovich seems like they won't unless they luck into the right role.

As for names, I'd throw in as well into the conversation:

- Liam Neeson: nominated for Schindler's List. Sadly it seems as if he's settling into being the next Morgan Freeman (the wise leader character) and just cashing the paycheck.

- Harrison Ford: did get nominated for Witness. But he's clearly not interested in acting unless it's in his comfort zone and for big money. And that's a shame.

- Ian McKellen: nominated for Fellowship of the Ring. Quick, name me a performance by Sir Ian in the last decade that was bad? Gandalf? No. Magneto? Nope. He even made The Da Vinci Code better by himself!

Posted by: Fredo at March 10, 2010 6:10 PM

I like everybody on this list, but I think for really, honest to gosh acting, Alfred Molina smokes all of them. I think he gets no recognition because he disappears so completely into roles of any stripe that you don't think of him as "Alfred Molina playing X" but as the character himself. I remember when I first noticed him in a movie I looked back at his career on IMDB and was shocked how many times I had seen him in a significant role in a movie with connecting the dots that it was the same person.

Posted by: Eep at March 10, 2010 6:14 PM

Nice list, but Depp sticks out like a sore thumb. The guy seems way too content to take roles that are minor variations on something he's done before (like, oh, every Tim Burton role for him)

Posted by: Jason H. at March 10, 2010 6:16 PM

6. LIAM NEESON, DAMMIT ALL TO HELL.
7. Ralph Fiennes. Nominated TWICE.
8. Ian McKellen

Based on other people's suggestions:

9. Alan Rickman
10. Stanley Tucci

Posted by: figgy at March 10, 2010 6:17 PM

Sam Rockwell is a one-note actor and really doesn't belong on this list.

Posted by: Ben Turkowitz at March 10, 2010 6:02 PM


*double take*


SERIOUSLY!?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 10, 2010 6:28 PM

I agree with the list of long term snubs, but these two really piss me off: Gordon Pinsent for "Away from Her" and Richard Farnsworth in "The Straight Story". Wise up Academy, before I punch you in the ovaries.

Posted by: Agente Provocatrice at March 10, 2010 6:51 PM

I have much respect for every guy on this list. Gary Oldman and John Malkovich are probably my favorites. Gary Oldman absolutely steals the show in every movie he's in, how you could not mention his role in The Fifth Element? Malkovich has an amazing voice. The best parts of Burn After Reading are anytime he says "fucking morons" or "memoirs". He could narrate the most boring of things and I would still watch.

I agree that Johnny Depp plays very similar characters in everything he does even though he is consistently brilliant.

Posted by: schrome at March 10, 2010 6:59 PM

RE Eep
"I like everybody on this list, but I think for really, honest to gosh acting, Alfred Molina smokes all of them. I think he gets no recognition because he disappears so completely into roles of any stripe that you don't think of him as "Alfred Molina playing X" but as the character himself. I remember when I first noticed him in a movie I looked back at his career on IMDB and was shocked how many times I had seen him in a significant role in a movie with connecting the dots that it was the same person."

Agreed, he's the shit and seems to be consistently overlooked. In America, anyway.

Posted by: Slash at March 10, 2010 7:27 PM

Hell yes. And add to the list EVERYONE that has been mentioned in the comments.

Good fucking god.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at March 10, 2010 7:28 PM

Ed Harris.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at March 10, 2010 7:32 PM

Oh, my Lord, how could I have forgotten my very own secret husband, RDJ??? I feel just awful about that.

And, peanut, I've gotta say that your suggestion of Bill Murray actually probably trumps mine of The Norton.

There are just so many crazy-ossom actors out there. While it's a shame that the Academy doesn't see fit to honor them, I hope that they are content with knowing that my wallet gives them accolades that the Oscars will not.

Posted by: Jelinas at March 10, 2010 9:35 PM

Malkovich may get his in 2011 for playing a horse trainer in Secretariat

Posted by: skipaway2000 at March 10, 2010 9:47 PM

Gary Oldman! My man, Gary! How could you miss his best work, State of Grace? If you have not seen it, get yourself to a video store!

Posted by: Stephen Mercer at March 10, 2010 9:52 PM

John Turturro. No, seriously. He's a pederast.

Posted by: Kitty X at March 10, 2010 9:53 PM

Val Kilmer doesn't even hav a nomination, let alone a win. He crushed his roles as Jim Morrison in "The Doors" and as Doc Holliday in "Tombstone" were Oscar-worthy to say the least. Plus he gave amazing comedic performances in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" and "Real Genius". He should at least have a nomination in the bag at this point.

Posted by: Ty at March 10, 2010 9:59 PM

That's a load of horeshit, Scorsese totally deserved his oscar for The Departed, nothing on the list touched him that year:

Best Picture 2006 - The Departed
Babel
Letters from Iwo Jima*
Little Miss Sunshine
The Queen

Honestly, Dustin, sometimes, you're head is really far up your ass.

*There's a chance you could make a case for this, but Eastwood already won 5 Oscars at that point, so don't complain.

Posted by: George at March 10, 2010 10:00 PM

I'm so embarrassed - I forgot my obligatory squee for Gary Oldman.

*ahem*

SQUEE!

There. Better.

Posted by: stardust at March 10, 2010 10:01 PM

Agreed, except make Oldman #2 or even #1 (he was "pretty" outstanding in Leon? No, he fucking terrified me in that role), Rockwell #3, and Depp #4. I also agree on Norton (you notice how he's still good in even the worst movies?), Alan Rickman, Ralph Fiennes.

Stupid Oscars.

Posted by: Katie (KP) at March 10, 2010 10:01 PM

Ooh, and maybe - hear me out - Brad Pitt. Seriously. If you look at his filmography, Brad's been pretty amazing is most of his films.

Posted by: Katie (KP) at March 10, 2010 10:09 PM

My 3 husbands:
Oldman,
Rickman
& Molina.

Posted by: vllach at March 10, 2010 10:17 PM

I'm quite late, but I love this list. Gary Oldman needs an Academy Award, and I would bash in Sandra Bullock's skull to see him get one.

Posted by: Cindy at March 10, 2010 11:10 PM

Jim Carrey and Bill Murray deserve them. As does Woody Harrelson. Jim Carrey got snubbed for The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Bill Murray should have won for Groundhog Day and perhaps for Lost In Translation. They just get screwed over because they're comedic actors. Woody is just fantastic too. It's a shame that Christoph Waltz had to be so amazing or it would have been his year. He was also the only good thing about Seven Pounds. I think he should have gotten a nom for that, he broke my heart.

Posted by: Sexy at March 10, 2010 11:20 PM

yay. gary!!
gary's a bit of a hobby of mine. a few years ago i watched each and every one of his movies, and continue to catch his new ones.
a few mentionables in addition to the ones listed above:
prick up your ears
chattahoochee
state of grace
JFK
immortal beloved
interstate 60 (maybe goofy, but a fave in our house)
tiptoes (i'd say one of his most amazing roles!)

and for the record--i adore his dracula!!

Posted by: maxpurr9 at March 10, 2010 11:25 PM

Tom Cruise. He was great in Collateral, Born on the Fourth og July, The Last Samurai, Magnolia, Vanilla Sky, etc. A really underrated actor.

Posted by: Henrik at March 11, 2010 3:24 AM

I loved Immortal Beloved, and pretty much everything I've seen with Gary Oldman in it. He was so scary to me in The Professional.

I've only seen Sam Rockwell in the first Charlie's Angels movie. He was good in spite of the movie being godawful, but I just don't know much about him.

Yes to Malkovich and Depp. Agree with Bale based on American Psycho but hated his teeth gritting voice work in Dark Knight (don't remember the other Batman he was in, although I did see it).

Agree with the Viggo nomination by James. Ever see Indian Runner? Heartbreaking. I saw it for the first time right after I'd watched The Deer Hunter on a very rainy Sunday. Both movies are about what happens to people who survive being sent to Vietnam, and how their return affects their relationships with others. I highly recommend this double feature combination, but only if you have something happy and life affirming to do afterwards.

Posted by: Viking at March 11, 2010 8:28 AM

I agree with adding Viggo Mortensen and Sir Ian McKellan. Viggo does some amazingly understated work, and Sir Ian makes everything he's in better just by his presence alone (and seriously - I can't *believe* he doesn't have an Oscar yet!).

Also, I met Viggo once, and damn is he pretty in person. *cough*

Posted by: luthien26 at March 11, 2010 10:44 AM

Fichtner and Strathairn are two others that come to mind. Fichtner managed to be amazingly creepy and funny while almost understated in Go, and I remember him being excellent in Albino Alligator as well. Just always solid in everything.

Since people have brought up The Fifth Element, how about Ian Holm as well?

Posted by: Eep at March 11, 2010 11:29 AM

This is a solid list and, for once, I'm having trouble thinking of strong actors you may have left off. Harrison Ford? Nah, he gave some good performances in his mid 80's to early 90's heydey, but he's been coasting on the same character for going on almost two decades now, and getting increasingly lazy even at that. I'd say the same thing about Samuel Jackson - Jules Winfield is one of the greatest cinematic characters ever, but Jackson content to play him over and over. Jeff Bridges? He WOULD have qualified for this list a week ago, thankfully not anymore. Billy Bob Thornton? He's also won an Oscar, just not for acting.

About the only actor I can fault you for overlooking is Steve Buschemi. Brillian in Pulp Fiction, Ghostworld, The Big Lebowski, and Fargo, and usually the only good thing in otherwise awful films like Armageddon and Every Adam Fucking Sandler Movie Ever Made. Still, good list.

Posted by: Irving Washington at March 11, 2010 12:00 PM

But didn't Malkovitch get nominated for that jewel thief movie?

Posted by: Jacktrade at March 11, 2010 1:14 PM

Good list. I'd second/third the Viggo nomination, as well.

The Malkovich oversight is puzzling. His interrogation scene with Andy Garcia in "Jennifer Eight" should be mandatory viewing for up and coming actors everywhere.

Posted by: boscobarbell at March 11, 2010 1:47 PM

Alan Rickman is so icy they won't let him near L.A. in March.

Posted by: D-Day at March 10, 2010 4:11 PM

D-Day: I squeed at that, and got quite a few glares in my general direction.

Tom Cruise was fantastic in A few good men. Which finally convinced me and my friends that he wasn't just a pint-sized prat.

Posted by: Ilmarien at March 11, 2010 2:46 PM

Don't forget Edward Norton!!!

Also don't forget Sam Rockwell's performance in The Green Mile!!

Posted by: Theseus at March 11, 2010 10:51 PM

How bout some love for Brian Cox, he's never even been nominated.

Posted by: IrishJuggernaut at March 12, 2010 4:54 PM

I can't believe John M doesn't have one. I also can't believe Sam Rockwell is in the same list just next to him. I get it, you like the guy...on the other hand, I usually lose my erection whenever I realize he's involved in the movie (kind of Tom hanks)

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