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Chin Up, Fanboys! America Hates Lots of Great Movies. Not Just Yours.

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (80)



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It seems like every time a critically adored movie with a strong, but small fanbase suffers a box-office disappointment, those who championed the movie the most are quickest to say, “Box office doesn’t matter.” Fuck you. Does it affect the quality of the film, or does it affect your enjoyment of it? Absolutely not. But when you build expectations, when you make an emotional investment in a movie, and when you support a film, it smarts when you aren’t validated by mainstream America, even if mainstream America is full of mouth breathers. To say that box-office doesn’t matter is tantamount to a die-hard, obsessed Patriots fan who invested countless hours in a season-long campaign only to see them come up short in the playoffs and say, “Well, it’s only a game.” It’s dismissive of the efforts of the filmmakers and actors who put so much effort into making and promoting the movie in the hopes that it would be successful.

Own your disappointment. If you’re invested enough in a movie to want it to succeed, then it’s OK to concede that you’re bummed it didn’t do well, even if it doesn’t lessen your enjoyment of a film. You can blame it on the refs, or on fucknut mainstream America, but don’t distance yourself from the financial performance of a movie, especially if the opposite result would’ve elicited a fist-pump or two. Tuck that tail between your legs, and hold your head up high.

You know what I like to do after a tough loss? I like to commiserate. I like to know that there are other similarly situated people or movies out there that can empathize. So, on this Monday morning after Scott Pilgrim vs. the World turned in an underwhelming box-office performance, maybe those Pilgrim and Edgar Wright enthusiasts who are licking their wounds can take some heart in the fact that Scott Pilgrim wasn’t the first critically successful film that opened well below expectations. And it won’t be the last. It’ll happen every few months as long as movies continue to be made, I suspect. But that shouldn’t stop you from investing yourself in the outcome. The more times you get burned, the sweeter the sense of victory will be.

For today’s seriously random list, I looked back at the last four years of releases, and listed 14 other films, like Scott Pilgrim, that were adored by critics, but were box-office disappointments. I weeded out the smaller, independent films, where box-office expectations were not as high, and limited the list to those that had wide releases, which means that there was likely a lot of promotion and effort put into them. They all, also, had at least a 70 percent Tomatometer reading.

The bad news for Scott Pilgrim fans hoping that word of mouth would help boost its box-office in subsequent weeks is that there’s no strong precedent in the films below to suggest as much. By and large, they all hover around the 2.5 multiplier for opening weekends and overall total. The good news, however, is that many of these films have done very well on DVD and have developed a nice cult following. So, there can be redemption. It just might take a year or two.


  • Where the Wild Things Are (Rotten Tomatoes: 73 percent). Opening: $32 million. Total: $77 million.

    What went wrong? A $77 million box-office gross is nothing to scoff at, except that studio-driven family films with $100 million budgets usually do significantly better. WtWTA didn’t, mostly because it was too dark, too mature, and perhaps too thoughtful for its target audience, who are used to seeing flatulating animals voiced by Chris Rock or David Schwimmer.

  • Drag Me to Hell (Rotten Tomatoes: 92 percent). Opening: $15 million. Total: $42 million.

    What went wrong? I don’t really know. No major stars? Bad marketing? A niche horror audience? I thought the PG-13 would at least open it up to a broader audience, but it seems that horror-movie goers would prefer to see remakes of 80s horror films. For Sam Raimi fans, it still stung.

  • Fantastic Mr. Fox (Rotten Tomatoes: 93 percent). Opening: $7 million. Total: $21 million.

    What went wrong? Hiring Wes Anderson to make a film for family audiences is probably what went wrong. Great movie, but a very limited appeal, and most kids were probably not entranced by the throwback animation style.

  • State of Play (Rotten Tomatoes: 84 percent). Opening Weekend: $14 million. Total: $37 million.

    What went wrong? A lot of folks blamed it on diminishing older, adult audiences who don’t get out to the movies very often anymore. It could’ve been that, but I think it was more likely the presence of Russell Crowe, who audiences aren’t particularly fond of. Plus, it was smart, and mainstream audiences don’t like smart movies.

  • Kick-Ass: (Rotten Tomatoes: 76 percent). Opening Weekend: $19 million. $48 million.

    What went wrong? After Scott Pilgrim, the performance of Kick-Ass almost feels like a big win. Like Pigrim, however, Kick-Ass had no major stars, and only a limited niche appeal to begin with. Fortunately, that niche audience likes to by DVDS — it debuted at number on on DVD and Blu-Ray sales, and was the top downloaded movie on iTunes the week it was released. Expect a similar result for Scott Pilgrim.

  • The Crazies (Rotten Tomatoes: 71 percent). Opening Weekend: $16 million. Total: $39 million.

    What went wrong? Poor marketing, no bankable movie star (sorry, Timothy Olyphant), and maybe even a little zombie fatigue. Plus, though it was a remake, it wasn’t a remake of a recognizable title, and George Romero doesn’t carry a lot of weight with contemporary audiences.

  • Splice: (Rotten Tomatoes: 74 percent). Opening Weekend: $7 million. Overall: $17 million.

    What went wrong? Very poor marketing, no big movie stars, and subject material with limited appeal. Plus, it was totally fucked up, man.

  • Adventureland (Rotten Tomatoes: 88 percent). Opening Weekend: $6 million. Total: $16 million.

    What went wrong? Beats the hell out of me. Kristen Stewart, Ryan Reynolds, Jessie Eisenberg, and a great soundtrack. I guess today’s teenagers don’t want to see a thoughtful coming-of-age film set 20 years in the past, even if Bella Swan is in it. This one, for me, was a real head-scratcher, and I definitely felt the sting.

  • Whip It (Rotten Tomatoes: 84 percent). Opening Weekend: $4 million. Total: $13 million.

  • What went wrong? I thought that Drew Barrymore and Ellen Page could’ve sold this better. It’s a lot better than the marketing portended. But I think that audiences just weren’t that interested in a movie about roller derby. Plus, movies featuring men in tight pants just don’t sell. America hates hipsters as much as they hate comic-book geeks.

  • 28 Weeks Later (Rotten Tomatoes: 71 percent). Opening Weekend: $10 million. Total: $28 million.

    What went wrong? I really don’t know. People hate good zombie flicks?

  • Grindhouse (Rotten Tomatoes: 82 percent). Opening Weekend: $11 million. Total: $25 million.

    What went wrong? Another one of those films with limited appeal, plus a lengthy running time, and maybe some marketing oversaturation backlash. I think studio expected blockbuster numbers for a novelty film because of the presence of Tarantino and Rodriguez and they were disappointed when they only got novelty film numbers.

  • Stranger than Fiction (Rotten Tomatoes: 72 percent). Opening Weekend: $10 million; Total: $40 million.

    What went wrong? People didn’t want to see Will Ferrell do something challenging or thoughtful. They just wanted to see him spout gibberish really loudly.

  • United 93 (Rottentomatoes: 91 percent). Opening: $11 million. Total: $33 million.

    What went wrong? I think this one is fairly self-evident: As good as United 93 was, most moviegoers weren’t in the mood to relive 9/11 again, and probably won’t be for another few years.

  • Descent (Rottentomatoes: 84 percent). Opening: $8 million. Total: $26 million.

    What went wrong? No major stars. The storyline wasn’t spelled out in the trailers, and a lack of promotion.









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    Comments

    The problem with Adventureland is that it came out at the EXACT same time as Zombieland. Both were coming of age stories, but only one featured Woody Harrison and zombies.

    Posted by: Pithy"Name" at August 16, 2010 3:12 PM

  • I can see where you're coming from on the whole sports analogy, but it really doesn't hold up. I have never danced in the streets, stayed up all night and got really drunk after a movie I really liked kicked-ass at the box office. Not even close.

    Scott Pilgrim didn't do well at the box office because Cera has zero star power (see i.e., the box office of all the prior "Michael Cera Vehicles", they are abysmal) sadly, despite his incredible talent, people don't care about Edgar Wright (see, i.e., the abysmal box office for his amazingly great "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz"), and it was based off very obscure source matieral.

    I am geek. I read comic books all the time (in trade paperback form). I play video games. I am 36 years old and have pretty much been a geek since I was 6. Until this movie was coming out I had never ever heard of "Scott Pilgrim."

    To say that the box office failure of "Scott Pilgrim" is comdenmation of geeks is simply ignoring a bunch of other highly relevant facts. I have pointed this out before.

    Geeks are still alive and well and their influence will continue to have a lot of sway in Hollywood. Suprisingly, however, geek movies tend to much, much better when there is major star power and the films are based on well-known source material (i.e., Iron-Man, Dark Night, LOTR movies, X-Men movies, etc, etc.). Quite the relevation, I know.

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 3:15 PM

    I think studio expected blockbuster numbers for a novelty film because of the presence of Tarantino and Rodriguez and they were disappointed when they only got novelty film numbers.

    Swap out Tarantino and Rodriguez for Cera and Winter and you've got Scott Pilgrim nailed. The movie was sold to exactly one, vanishingly small, audience: fans of the Scott Pilgrim comic. If you had never read the books, and I haven't, there was nothing any of the marketing materials was there to pique your interest. It was a movie pitched to hipsters (and even though you don't have a stupid mustache or tight pants, this includes you, Dustin) and geeks. It had a limited appeal and didn't do much to go beyond that narrow audience. It was never going to do blockbuster numbers simply because it couldn't draw a blockbuster audience.

    Posted by: Tracer Bullet at August 16, 2010 3:16 PM

    Adventureland was killed by the R rating. All the kids who went to watch Bella Swan had to sneak in.

    Posted by: Wilma at August 16, 2010 3:17 PM

    Plus, Adentureland had Bella Swan in it. I'm sure it makes me some kind of douchebag, but that alone was enough to send me running in the other direction.

    Posted by: elleyezee at August 16, 2010 3:18 PM

    I couldn't tell if the Splice one was sarcastic because I'd say most people would know who Adrien Brody was, right? Besides that though, good post.

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:18 PM

    Sorry. Wright, not Winter. Who the fuck is Edgar Winter?

    Posted by: Tracer Bullet at August 16, 2010 3:19 PM

    Stranger Than Fiction remains one of my absolute favorite films, but NO ONE I know has seen it, which is a real shame. It's so smart and funny, and an extremely visually appealing movie (even Will Ferrell looks good, which is saying something).

    Posted by: badkittyuno at August 16, 2010 3:20 PM

    I couldn't tell if the Splice one was sarcastic because I'd say most people would know who Adrien Brody was, right? Besides that though, good post.

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:18 PM

    Oh, people know who Adrien Brody is. They just don't care.

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 3:20 PM

    28 Weeks Later was a terrible fucking movie. Stupid beyond belief and crapped all over the original. It had terrible word-of-mouth.

    Posted by: figgy at August 16, 2010 3:20 PM

    Who he is* not was. lol

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:21 PM

    Edgar Winter is a musician, right? I see his name on Sirius all the time and think of Edgar Wright first.

    Posted by: badkittyuno at August 16, 2010 3:21 PM

    Oh, I feel so sorry for Dustin after a Pat's loss. I knew there was something wrong about you.
    /Boo New England sports teams.
    //Stupid East Coast Bias

    Posted by: MTGColorPie at August 16, 2010 3:22 PM

    28 Weeks Later was a terrible fucking movie. Stupid beyond belief and crapped all over the original. It had terrible word-of-mouth.

    Posted by: figgy at August 16, 2010 3:20 PM

    I agree. I liked the opening sequence. I thought it was fantastic. It went to shit right after that. It became moronic. I was irritated throughout.

    I still haven't really warmed up to Jeremy Renner because of it. (Even though I liked that one brief moment where he winked to the kids while pushing the car.)

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 3:22 PM

    Well that's just because they're (America?) stupid.

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:22 PM

    The problem with Adventureland was that it was incredibly dull and I really disliked both of the lead characters.

    The Crazies just wasn't that good. I forgot most of it just after seeing it.

    Whip It had Barrymore in it. That's all the answer you need.

    Splice was in my theater for a whole week. I missed it by two days.

    The Decent is because people are fucking morons and hate original, well made horror films.

    Posted by: admin at August 16, 2010 3:23 PM

    Exactly! It was just irritating and frustrating how stupid it was. So much wasted potential.

    Posted by: figgy at August 16, 2010 3:23 PM

    Well that's just because they're (America?) stupid.

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:22 PM

    Eh, the rest of the world aint any better.

    In fact, there have been a number of horrible movies that rightfully kind of bombed in the US recently, but some how made a mint internationally.

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 3:24 PM

    I think your analysis of what went wrong for Where the Wild Things Are and Fantastic Mr. Fox ignores that fact that parents are making the decision on whether to go to those movies, not children.

    I've never seen a kid turned off by older animation styles. Quite the opposite, really. But adults think kids only care about the new thing. I've seen Wallace and Grommit stop kids in their tracks in the middle of a department store, only to be dragged away from it by a parent.

    I've also never seen a kid turned off by a message in an entertaining movie. If they're entertained, they don't care if you're preaching environmentalism, the bad-assery of ninjas, or how Jesus is just alright with you. Parents, on the other hand, seem to really, really want to turn their brain off when they sit down to a movie with their kids. Or perhaps they labor under the false impression that their kids can't handle such things.

    I've never seen anyone underestimate the capacities of children like parents. And this is coming from years of Developmental Psych.

    Posted by: ZombieScientist at August 16, 2010 3:24 PM

    I'm with you, badkittyuno. I seriously heart Stranger Than Fiction, but I am one of few it would seem.

    "I brought you flours."

    Smiles and warm fuzzies every time.

    Posted by: Patty O'Green at August 16, 2010 3:26 PM

    Eh, the rest of the world aint any better.

    In fact, there have been a number of horrible movies that rightfully kind of bombed in the US recently, but some how made a mint internationally.

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 3:24 PM

    True.
    /
    Love Stranger Than Fiction too!

    Posted by: Theseus at August 16, 2010 3:30 PM

    I can't believe that Grindhouse scored an 82% on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Posted by: John W at August 16, 2010 3:35 PM

    I love Stranger Than Fiction! I made my boyfriend at the time watch it with me, and he made fun of me when I got superexcited about the bookshelves in Dustin Hoffman's office. I just really want to own and have read that many books.

    Posted by: Jen K. at August 16, 2010 3:39 PM

    Adventureland

    What went wrong: Limited appeal. Not that many people came of age in the 80s, therefore most people don't give a damn about 80s nostalgia.

    Posted by: ERM at August 16, 2010 3:39 PM

    14 movies listed, almost half of which fall in either the horror or zombie genres. Shutter Island and Paranormal Activity are the only two horror (loosely defined) movies in the last 6 years to break $100mil, and no zombie movie has ever topped $80mil domestic lifetime. It seems more genre/target audience-related, no?


    I seriously heart Stranger Than Fiction, but I am one of few it would seem.

    Add me to that list, Patty.


    Whip It had Barrymore in it. That's all the answer you need.

    *starts slow clap*

    Posted by: branded at August 16, 2010 3:43 PM

    I really did not like Where the Wild Things Are. I thought it was one note and had a really strange moral to it. The kid runs away to go where no one can tell him what to do and his imaginary friends make him King. Then he fucks that up so he leaves. The end. It should have been right down my alley but I just didn't gel to it.

    However, I loved Fantastic Mr. Fox and so did my kids. My new favorite quote when someone is annoying me is, "You're disloyal."

    The rest of the list are pretty good movies. Finally watched Kick Ass this weekend and really liked it. And I've read the book but I still enjoyed it a lot. I'm surprised though, no "Eternal Sunshine"?

    Posted by: TylerDFC at August 16, 2010 3:43 PM

    One thing to always take into account is when those movies come out and against what. In a vacuum, the failure of Scott Pilgrim appears bad. But when you consider that most action guys went to see The Expendables and most women went to see Eat, Pray, Love, it's not surprising that there wasn't much audience for Scott Pilgrim beyond its hardcore fanbase.

    That said, read around the Interwebs today and you'll find that there's a lot of recrimination and anger by the geek audiences at many within their camp that didn't support Scott Pilgrim and at the wider, mainstream American audience. They thought that all those reviews from AICN, Slashfilm, Chud, et al would equal people turning out in droves.

    This reeks of Serenity shame.

    Posted by: Fredo at August 16, 2010 3:43 PM

    Wait, wait, wait.

    Why in the love of Kristen Stewart's jaw was "Adventureland" rated R?!?! That thing was an easy PG-13. Did Greg Mottola bang an MPAA member's wife or something? I don't remember anything remotely excessive about that movie.

    Yet another example of why the rating system sucks rotted corpse balls.

    Posted by: Kballs at August 16, 2010 3:45 PM

    Joining in the Stranger Than Fiction love. Such a moving and cute movie. And Buster is in it!

    Posted by: ninetwenteetoo at August 16, 2010 3:50 PM

    MTGColorPie. Please never mistake me for a Pats fan. That hurts far worse than the failure of Adventureland.

    Theseus: To the question of Americans being stupid, I say to you, this: Mr. Bean’s Holiday. A monstrous hit all around the world, except in America. Same with Bean. Same with Troy. There are idiots everywhere, it seems.

    Posted by: Dustin Rowles at August 16, 2010 3:52 PM

    The box office failure of Speed Racer still breaks my heart. America, apparently, hates fun.

    Posted by: Meander at August 16, 2010 3:54 PM

    Rowles, who knew you were anti capitalist? Tyler Perry films are very successful at the box office and yet you dismiss his films outright. And to top it off in your column you say “It’s dismissive of the efforts of the filmmakers and actors who put so much effort into making and promoting the movie in the hopes that it would be successful.” And now you want to preach to the fanboys and encourage them to keep their chins up when their films don’t do well at the box office because “American hates lots of great films.”

    Posted by: Pookie at August 16, 2010 4:03 PM

    What went wrong? Very poor marketing, no big movie stars, and subject material with limited appeal. Plus, it was totally fucked up, man.

    I read that and thought you were referring to Scott Pilgrim, not Splice. You know why this movie did so badly? They made the title the name of the main character. Who the fuck would want to go see a movie about someone named Scott? How lame is that?

    Posted by: Xtreme at August 16, 2010 4:04 PM

    In order: meh, horrible, no interest in seeing it, good, the best movie I’ve seen in a long time, decent, looking forward to catching it on DVD, good, good, decent, decent, didn’t see it because I thought it looked like typical Ferrell shtick, haven’t checked it out yet, good.

    Posted by: Harry Coverts at August 16, 2010 4:06 PM

    I am thrilled to find all of the STF love here! I could have sworn that the Pajiba hive mind hated it. Shows what I know.

    Posted by: Patty O'Green at August 16, 2010 4:09 PM

    Dustin - Well, I knew you weren't a normal Pat's fan since, well, you're on this site. And to be fair, I'll go check out Adventureland. For me, It was Bella "I'll bit my lip 500 times a minute" Swan that prevented me from wanting to go see it.
    Oh, and Stranger Than Fiction is Ferrell's Truman Show. That's a compliment.

    Posted by: MTGColorPie at August 16, 2010 4:23 PM

    Interesting list

    I'm gonna add to the dissing of Where the Wild Things Are. It was a mash up of a mature small budget conversation movie placed in a high budget fantasy setting. Possibly a cool idea but a failure in execution, the movie just felt awkward to me. There was essentially no plot beyond the basic setup and the entire color scheme consisted of muted grays and browns. It made back as much as it did because of affection for the source material and a brilliant marketing scheme (The arcade fire trailer was more moving to me that the actual movie)

    Posted by: JR at August 16, 2010 4:27 PM

    Stranger than Fiction got a good review on Pajiba originally, so no hate.

    Also, Whip It was possibly a victim of Juno backlash. Both effortlessly enjoyable coming-of-age stories.

    I guess people just don't like joy.

    Posted by: twig at August 16, 2010 4:28 PM

    I like Stranger Than Fiction, but in spit of Ferrell. I heart Ms. Ex Branaugh. The Crazies was a DVD watcher. WTWTA is made from a kids book (which was one of my favs as a child.I'm twisted), so not many people thought to go see it. I own it...so I can warp my kid even more.Same with Fox..
    Haven't seen Splice, but I want to! 28 weeks later was tired.Not as much fun as the first.
    Whip it and Adventureland I put in the "it doesn't exist" category.
    Ummm, State of Play.you nailed it.
    Descent...haven't seen it yet.
    And lastly, Drag Me to Hell...not bad, not great either.Whatever.
    And Scott Pilgram just looks annoying. I mean stab myself in the eye with a plastic LJS spork annoying.
    *my opinions are also completely subject to change based on wine consumption.

    Posted by: DeckOfficer!! at August 16, 2010 4:30 PM

    *lol,spit. I meant SPITE
    spit works though

    Posted by: DeckOfficer!! at August 16, 2010 4:30 PM

    But that shouldn’t stop you from investing yourself in the outcome. The more times you get burned, the sweeter the sense of victory will be.

    I was born in Buffalo, lived there for 11 years, and then moved to Cleveland. In my sporting existence, I have invested time and emotion in and experienced the following:

    - All four Bills Super Bowl losses
    - The '95 and '97 Indians World Series losses
    - The '99 Sabres Cup Finals loss (or: "Rot In Hell with Your Dirty Skate in the Crease, Brett Hull")
    - The "Music City Miracle" perpetrated against the Bills in the 1999-2000 playoffs
    - The Indians' 2007 ALCS collapse.
    - The continued playoff failures of the LeBron James Cavaliers and "The Decision"


    And every bit of not-totally-unexpected disappointment from the Browns, Cavaliers, Indians and Sabres in between.

    That "sense of victory"--if and when it ever arrives--might just be so sweet to be the death of me.

    Also: fuck the Patriots.

    Posted by: Sean at August 16, 2010 4:32 PM

    Where the Wild Things Are: Loved it. NOT a kids' movie. Anyone who took their brood to this flick was fooled by the marketing.

    Drag Me to Hell: Loved it. People are idiots and obviously don't know what Sam Raimi was meant to do.

    Fantastic Mr. Fox: Again, not a kid's movie. Anyone under 30 won't appreciate the style either.

    Kick-Ass: People are too fucking serious. Seriously. Who gets turned off by such absurd shit?

    The Crazies: This was surprisingly good. Good story, good action, good lookin'. But, fake zombies aren't real zombies.

    Splice: My only problem with this film was that I couldn't hear it over the sound of my DICK SCREAMING.

    Adventureland: One of my favorite films of last year. An actual coming-of-age story that isn't condescending or pandering. It felt like my adolescence in a lot of ways.

    28 Weeks Later: I those this was a well thought out sequel. Still waiting for 28 Months Later.

    United 93 : Who the fuck saw this?!

    Posted by: grendel at August 16, 2010 4:32 PM

    See above comments by Tyler and JR regarding why they disliked WTWTA -- i.e., the lack of bright colors and a simplistic, easily understood plot devoid of metaphor (or failing that, lots of 'sploding), make it a bad movie.

    This is why you fail.

    Posted by: Neodiogenes at August 16, 2010 4:39 PM

    I thought Adventureland's problem was that it was marketed as a broad comedy, a la Superbad, when it was really a solid little indie coming-of-age tale. People like me who would've seen it were uninspired to check it out, while people who wanted another Superbad were disappointed.

    Where the Wild Things Are's problem, on the other hand, was that it was boring.

    Posted by: Angie at August 16, 2010 4:52 PM

    Wait -- 28 Weeks Later was a GOOD zombie movie?
    You should watch your words, because you just opened Pandora's box.
    No. NO. NO.
    It's like they took the original, swapped out the character roles with shit-tastic replacements that we didn't give a fuck about, and then lobotomized it. Seriously, people around these parts may not be gaga about the blue-eyed Murph, but Jeremy Renner can go burn. Like he actually did in that movie, only in real life.

    The fact is: 28 Days Later (for a movie being about the rabid infected apocalypse) seemed somewhat plausible -- like this is what actually would happen if the world collapsed and rage ran rampant.

    And I guess I just assumed that would be the case for the sequel. But it dwindled. And dwindled. And dwindled. And then all credibility was blown out the window after that fucking helicopter scene.

    (But I did love Stranger than Fiction.)

    Posted by: penelope at August 16, 2010 4:56 PM

    Okay so I totally get where you're coming from with this Rowles, but you have to be able to relate, on some level your with the geeks on this one. I mean the geeks support lovingly crafted interpretations of media that they like, in this instance a phenominally fun quirky comic. You support well made, original, thought out Films. I fall into both categories. Neither of us regularly gets to see our little pet projects succeed very often. With quality film it happens a little more often than with geek fanfare.

    But! I'd be foolish to expect this film to be a blowout in theatres, despite it being one of the hands down most enjoyable movies I've seen in a long time (I'm stuffing it up there with two of the other greats on this list, Adventureland and my all time favorite movie Stranger Than Fiction.) It's like expecting Eternal Sunshine to be a Blockbuster Powerhouse. Of course it would be nice. It would also be nice to have a scantily clad gorgeous film student show up at my house with a 12 pack of Rogue Ale and a copy of Inception. You can't get dissapointed when it doesn't happen. You just cheer the fact that you were lucky enough to be aware of something's greatness despite the general populations lack of interest, and maybe ruefully shake your head at their loss.

    That Being said I'm a BENGALS fan. Go ahead read that again. Yeah, dealing with failure comes easy. But in sports it's constantly hoping against the odds, waiting for the day those cleats cross the endzone and you can stand up and say SEE! My faith wasn't unfounded. there was greatness in us yet. In film sometimes you have to let those hard to reach stars fall, and just hope that the people who "get it" were able to see the same little flicker of light.

    Posted by: Blank at August 16, 2010 5:02 PM

    To be fair to the rest of the world, most smaller countries only get whatever movies are huge in the US, so it really all boils down to Americans are stupid.

    Back in Honduras, which is as backwards as you can get when it comes to cinematic culture, we'd only get the really huge US blockbusters, the animated movies, and whatever cheapo-as-shit comedy the theater owners could afford. And people would flock to them because there aren't exactly art theaters at every corner over there.

    So: yeah, it's the fault of stupid Americans for the most part.

    Posted by: figgy at August 16, 2010 5:17 PM

    sorry,it's not good .It's barely correct and forgettable

    Posted by: caro at August 16, 2010 5:22 PM

    Most of this list is good, though 28 Weeks Later was so fucking terrible.

    Posted by: wonderbreadhead at August 16, 2010 5:42 PM

    That Being said I'm a BENGALS fan. Go ahead read that again. Yeah, dealing with failure comes easy.

    Posted by: Blank at August 16, 2010 5:02 PM

    Bengals? Haven't they been to, what? Two Super Bowls?

    Ever since the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago, there has been one NFL team that has had a monopoly on pain and suffering. Oh, yes, my beloved Lions.

    I am a LIONS fan. Go ahead read that again.

    As far as cities go, however, Cleveland wins hands down. Poor Cleveland.

    Posted by: Forbiddendonut at August 16, 2010 5:44 PM

    Love you for including Fantastic Mr. Fox, I was just listening to the soundtrack yesterday and it was one of my favorites of 2009.

    Posted by: Snrub at August 16, 2010 6:20 PM

    I haven't seen many of the movies on that list but I have to say, in defense of "Kick-Ass" . . . Yes it only did $48M in the States but it earned another $48M worldwide for a total of $96M. Somebody must have made a little money on it because they are filming a sequel. So, perhaps more people saw the movie than you think. It was kind of cute in a nasty, mean, violent way. I liked it way better than "Whip It," which I turned off after about 1/2 hour and sent back to Netflix.

    I have to say, I'm quite curious about "Drag Me to Hell" and I'm going to put it on my Netflix queue. So, thanks for that.

    Posted by: mslewis at August 16, 2010 6:25 PM

    I've never seen anyone underestimate the capacities of children like parents. And this is coming from years of Developmental Psych.

    Posted by: ZombieScientist at August 16, 2010 3:24 PM

    I couldn't agree with you more! I find it maddening the crap parents will allow their kids to watch because it's dubbed a family film.
    I sometimes have to bite my tongue when I see the crap my younger cousins or friend's kids watch.

    As a parent I was picky about which movies my kid would watch while growing up and because of this my teenager is a fairly well rounded movie watcher. She doesn't shy away from serious thoughtful movies or from subtitles.

    Posted by: SugarGirlM at August 16, 2010 6:36 PM

    Where The wild things are is overrated.
    Adventureland was more like snoozeland.

    It did hurt when Grindhouse bombed. I thought 2 movies for the price of one was enough.

    SpeedRacer hurt too. Even nerds stayed away.

    Posted by: junierizzle at August 16, 2010 6:42 PM

    "The problem with Adventureland was that it was incredibly dull and I really disliked both of the lead characters."

    Nail on the frickin' head. Stewart and Eisenberg had zero chemistry and there was no one to root for. That movie was a tedious slog through someone else's (Mottola) boring home movies.

    Posted by: Starvin Spielberg at August 16, 2010 6:55 PM

    I think "oversaturation backlash" explains Kick Ass and Scot Pilgrim. The target audiences for those movies are the same people who spend hours at entertainment websites.

    I was and am stoked to see both, but the abundance of clips and such on the web slaked my thirst and made it easy to wait on the DVD from Netfix. It is really rare for a movie to get me to a theater.

    It's either something that demands to be seen big screen, or that I am absolutely burning to see. Show me too much and the burn becomes a smolder.

    Posted by: The Mutt at August 16, 2010 7:12 PM

    "Stranger Than Fiction remains one of my absolute favorite films, but NO ONE I know has seen it, which is a real shame."

    Exactly, I point people to this film a lot, and generally no one has heard of it. But on the off chance they have seen it they universally report much love for this movie. It remains one of the few movies I have seen in my life that brought me to tears - it is a shame that Will Ferrell pretty much gave up on anything remotely serious afterwards.

    Although I don't like all the films you mentioned, I do like the fact that they got made even though they were offbeat. When it comes down to it, when folks are looking for something fun to do on a weekend watching a thoughtful/challenging movie often doesn't sound as appealing as watching things blow up. And I understand that (& sometimes feel that way myself!) but I just worry that it will continue to push anything different/interesting out of the movie marketplace.

    Posted by: kimk at August 16, 2010 7:46 PM

    I'm sorry, but as both a Raimi fan and a horror fan, I thought Drag me to Hell was fucking horrible. The acting wasn't bad-good like with Campbell, it was just awful. Some good effects and scares OK, but as a movie just underwhelming.

    Also, Kick Ass sucked.

    Posted by: Jared at August 16, 2010 7:47 PM

    I'll admit that I felt a bit sad when Grindhouse tanked. I thought it was just such a good time.

    Hated Adventureland, and 28 Weeks Later sucked big time, with the exception of that near genius ten minute opening.

    What I don't get is the love that most people seem to have for Descent. Bunch of broads go to some caves, get eated, and die. So so acting and a mediocre storyline. Why the hell did this get so much love? I watched it expecting the hippest, coolest horror movie in years. Blagh.

    Posted by: Kaleena at August 16, 2010 8:04 PM

    Jared, the problem I had with Drag Me to Hell was that it was entirely 100% predictable. You could see every twist and turn coming.

    Posted by: Fredo at August 16, 2010 8:40 PM

    I think that a lot of people were put off by Drag Me to Hell's kitten sacrifice. That breaks a major Hollywood rule: no killing puppies, kittens, or children (even if the kids really are too dumb to live).

    Posted by: Betty at August 16, 2010 8:48 PM

    I guess I'll be the lone dissent on Stranger Than Fiction, which I saw in theater with several friends. We all hated it. We were in tears laughing by the end of it, and its terribleness is still a running joke for us today. I'm not exactly surprised it didn't do well. A relatively under the radar film featuring a comedic actor's foray into drama is going to need to generate a lot of positive buzz to do well, and this (quite deservedly) never did.

    Posted by: Artemis at August 16, 2010 8:49 PM

    I agree that fanboys should own up to their disappointment, however I don't think the sports analogy holds up.

    In sports, you play (and root) to win championships. In film (and all art for that matter), you just want to see a great film. If your favorite movies are rewarded with a great box office turn out then that's even better, but it's not the same as losing a championship. It's more like having your star not win the Heisman, or even having your team not win an stupid ESPY award. My enjoyment of a film comes from the film itself, not the amount of money it makes.

    Posted by: THRILLHO at August 16, 2010 10:14 PM

    Whip It? Are you fucking kidding?

    That movie was unwatchable. I went with a cadre of lesbians, because Roller Derby is the official lesbian sport, and there was barely even a mention of the fact that there are lesbians in Roller Derby. They screamed for Drew Barrymore's blood afterward. They screamed for Drew Barrymore's panties a little bit later, though.

    Posted by: John G. at August 16, 2010 11:27 PM



    Adventureland

    What went wrong: Limited appeal. Not that many people came of age in the 80s, therefore most people don't give a damn about 80s nostalgia.

    Posted by: ERM at August 16, 2010 3:39 PM

    This will come as a big surprise to all the people I came of age with in the 80's.

    Posted by: John G. at August 16, 2010 11:32 PM

    So: yeah, it's the fault of stupid Americans for the most part.

    Posted by: figgy at August 16, 2010 5:17 PM

    And you're one of them now, Figs! Use your power wisely.

    Posted by: Uriah Creep at August 17, 2010 12:10 AM

    @ John G.

    Surprisingly enough, there are lots of decades. People who came of age in the 80s are (surprise again!) not in the majority.

    Posted by: ERM at August 17, 2010 1:14 AM

    It's just so silly that people can't figure out why a movie they like didn't do well. "I don't understand why not everyone in the world liked it! I mean, it was targeted directly to ME."

    And there's your answer.

    Posted by: ERM at August 17, 2010 1:19 AM

    Grindhouse is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And I generally like Tarentino, so I'm not a hater.
    Planet Terror part was not bad, the Death Proof part was HORRENDOUS - COLOSSALLY BORING, UNWATCHABLE.
    I am a fan of dialogue - I want to know the characters so I care about them. But listening to those girls blather on for 45 minutes, about nothing, (SPOILER AHEAD)

    just to watch them all be killed in 2 seconds was inexcusable.

    Posted by: Calvinthebold at August 17, 2010 10:17 AM

    thanks I'll add these to my Netflicks queue.

    Posted by: logan at August 17, 2010 10:18 AM

    I think this comment section has taught us that there are no rules. Lots of people here saying Adventureland sucked, or that 28 Weeks Later sucked. I, for one, thought Stranger Than Fiction was mediocre. Like Charlie Kaufman-lite.

    Pretty much, recent years has taught us that it's a coin flip. I thought there was no way Avatar would make the budget back, let alone surpass Titanic. I also thought Kick-Ass would be a sleeper hit. Shows what I and studios know.

    One things for certain, though... everyone should have known a movie starring Ashton Kutcher would bomb. Come on, Lion's Gate.

    Posted by: A-Train at August 17, 2010 10:37 AM

    Are you sure you're not mixing up 28 Weeks Later with 28 Days Later? Weeks was a mess of a movie with so many stupid moments it's hard to figure out just where to start

    Posted by: Heretic at August 17, 2010 10:45 AM

    United 93 was amazing in the theater, & I'll likely never watch it again.

    Posted by: the new transported man at August 17, 2010 10:54 AM

    "Kick-Ass had no major stars"

    Really?

    Posted by: Sean at August 17, 2010 9:47 PM

    I just saw Mr. Fox last weekend. Fun movie, but I can't imagine children understanding the dialogues and appreciating old-school stopmotion.
    But I still want it to be made. Also, I can't believe it is possible to make George Clooney, Jason
    Schwartzman and Owen Wilson, adorable.

    Posted by: Adrien at August 18, 2010 9:11 AM

    @ Figgy

    To be fair to America, the rest of the world usually makes terrible films.
    *cough* Bollywood *cough*

    And just because we ship them over there doesn't mean the world has to watch them. But they do. So tough.

    However, I do agree with the Figs that 28 Weeks Later wasn't in no way a good movie. It was the best of the "typical, stupid" horror movie genre. But...at the end of the day it was still a typical stupid horror movie.

    Posted by: Littlejon2001 at August 19, 2010 8:01 AM

    Side note: This list is pretty awful.

    A lot of these movies had absolutely terrible marketing campaigns. For instance, I didn't even know Splice was out in theaters yet!

    I will never watch United 93 or World Trade Center because they both made movies ONLY FIVE YEARS after 9/11. To make a Hollywood feature film only five years after an event means one thing, and one thing only: Money.

    Those two films exploited 9/11 for financial gain...or even worse...for personal glory. I will never watch them. Ever.

    Posted by: Littlejon2001 at August 19, 2010 8:06 AM

    I don't wanna hear about your sports misery. I'm a motherfuckin' Pirates fan.

    Also: I liked "Adventureland" if for no other reason than the Kennywood Park cameos.

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    Posted by: Nollen at January 23, 2011 1:40 PM

    I lost 100 pounds. I get on my treadmill regularly. I prefer exercise with music. The lyrics I prefer best are motivational also , the tempo that varies for the training routine i will be doing.

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