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Affairs of the Slutty and Famous: Ten Scandalous Hollywood Triangles

By Cindy Davis | Seriously Random Lists | February 28, 2013 | Comments ()


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It's a naturally occurring phenomenon that we sometimes fall for our co-workers--but the interesting thing about Hollywood is that it happens in the public eye. And so, we can't help but get sucked into the drama when it happens for some folks over and over again. Things can get dirty...and scandalous...and salacious...and downright disgusting. Proceed to number one at your own risk (of revulsion).


10. Robert Pattinson, Kristen Stewart and Rupert Sanders

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This one is perhaps scandalous only to the diehard Twilight fans, because honestly, who else believes Pattinson and Stewart are really in love anyway? But indeed, a marriage was broken, so let us exhale our collective gasp and thank the bloody gods Edward and Bella are back together again. However, in 2012, their bond was momentarily broken when Stewart had an affair with her Snow White and the Huntsman (married) director, Rupert Sanders. The story goes that Sanders was infatuated with and went after the young, impressionable actress; the poor dear just couldn't help herself. Caught in the act (intimate behavior), the two admitted the affair and made their apologies. Sanders is now divorced, but Robsten LIVES.


9. Laura Dern, Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Jolie:

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You didn't think Brad was the first man Angie stole, did you? What I find interesting is that Jolie has claimed that she could never be "intimate with a married man, when my own father cheated on my mother..." Somehow, her version of stealing them away from another woman is different. Regardless, the story goes that Billy Bob and Laura had been together about three years; they had discussed marriage and owned a home together. Dern: "I left home to work on a movie, and while I was away, my boyfriend got married, and I've never heard from him again." Thornton and Jolie were married less than three years.


8. Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie:

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Again, perhaps Jolie skated past her own words on a technicality--we'll never know. But what we do know is that Jolie refers to making Mr. and Mrs. Smith as the time when her children's parents fell in love. An unauthorized biography by Andrew Morton claims it was Angie's plan to lure Brad away, but all we know for sure is the end result: Angelina got her man.


7. Vera Steinberg, Danny Moder and Julia Roberts:

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Sometimes true love just can't be stopped--at least that's what Roberts seems to think. After meeting cameraman Moder on the set of The Mexican, Julia decided she was "born to be the wife of this man." Never mind that he already had a wife. Roberts said his marital status made their relationship ''terribly complicated,'' but hey, she needed him. And when Vera didn't move quickly enough with the divorce proceedings, Julia made her displeasure known:

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Roberts and Moder married in 2002 and have three children.


6. Debbie Reynolds, Eddie Fisher and Elizabeth Taylor:

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Before Jolie and Roberts, there was Elizabeth Taylor, who has famously married eight times. Husband number four was actor Eddie Fisher, stolen right from under Debbie Reynolds' nose. Fisher and Reynolds had been best friends with Taylor and her third husband, producer Mike Todd, who was killed in a plane crash (Taylor had nearly taken the flight with him, but because she had a cold, Todd convinced her not to come along). During the course of consoling Taylor, Fisher decided he preferred brunettes and promptly left his wife. Reynolds famously forgave the two, went back to being good friends with Elizabeth and the two even made a film together in 2001 ("These Old Broads," written by Carrie Fisher).


5. Eddie Fisher, Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton:

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The rumors of Angelina Jolie wanting to play Cleopatra ought to give Brad Pitt pause, for it was famously on the set of the 1963 film version that Elizabeth Taylor met Richard Burton; the two began a torrid affair. In a book containing Burton's diary entries, the actor wrote of Taylor: "She was, I decided, the most astonishingly self-contained, pulchritudinous, remote, removed, inaccessible woman I had ever seen." Though Burton was also married (to actress, Sybil Williams), no one comes between Elizabeth and a man she wants--the two carried on in public despite a motion to ban them from the United States (by a member of Congress) and condemnation--"erotic vagrancy"--by the Vatican. The two later divorced their respective spouses and married each other...twice.


4. Dennis Quaid, Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe:

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Back in the old days, Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid were one of the golden couples--everyone loved them and thought they'd be married forever. There were plenty of stories about Quaid's drug abuse, but Ryan stood by her man and he got clean, they married and had a son together. Having a reputation as one of America's Sweethearts, it was surprising to many when after over nine years of marriage, Ryan strayed. Ryan and Crowe met on the Proof of Life set and began a not so secret affair. Quaid and Ryan soon announced their separation and divorce, and Ryan claimed that Quaid had been unfaithful to her throughout the marriage. So...what's good for the goose, as they say.


3. Princess Diana, Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles:

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Okay, so while not technically a "Hollywood" triangle, I contend we adopted Princess Diana--we watched her on the telly--so as far as I'm concerned, that whole royal production they have going across the pond is just an extension of Tinseltown. This one still breaks my heart. We all watched a beautiful, young girl fall in love with and in 1981, marry the Prince of Wales; ostensibly a fairy tale come to life. But oh, the wicked witch (aka "The Rottweiler") was waiting in the wings. Charles had met and been friends with Camilla back in the early 70s, and apparently held a torch for her throughout his marriage. In fact, according to leaked conversations between the two, Charles admitted he wanted to be Camilla's tampon...? Let's all hope he's happy to have gotten his wish.


2. Mary Louise Parker, Billy Crudup and Claire Danes:

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Once again, a movie set is the root of all evil--or something. Billy Crudup was in a long term relationship (seven plus years) with Mary Louise Parker, who was pregnant with their child when Crudup met Danes filming Stage Beauty. I guess technically this was a quadrangle, since Danes also left her longtime beau, Ben Lee. Rumor has it Danes later cheated on Crudup with the man she later married, Hugh Dancy. Okay, now I've lost track of how many *angles there are. Also, you probably don't want to read this pretentious interview where Danes said, "That was a choice I made to fall in love. It's unpleasant to be cast in such an unflattering role, but I just had to remain steadfast...I was living with the same kind of integrity that I had always lived with."


1. Mia Farrow, Woody Allen and Soon Yi Previn:

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Of all the strange stories we've heard over the years, this one ranks near the top--yet people don't talk about it much. Is it just so far out there that people don't know what to say or do? The deal is, back in the early 80s, Allen had a relationship with another of his muses, Mia Farrow. Farrow and Allen never got married, but they did adopt two children together. Farrow also came into the relationship with two children, one biological and one adopted (Soon Yi); the couple had one biological child together. Bizarre, horrifying behavior (you may not want to read that on a full stomach) went on during the time Allen and Farrow were together, and after Farrow found nude photographs Allen had taken of Soon Yi, they separated and a bitter child custody battle began. ("Nobody knows how old Soon-Yi really is. Without ever seeing her, Korean officials put her age down as seven on her passport. A bone scan Mia had done on her in the U.S. put her age at between five and seven. In the family, Soon-Yi is considered to have turned 20 this year, on October 8 [1992].") To be clear, Allen was not Soon Yi's adoptive father, but he certainly was a father figure at some point. The two married in 1997 and have two adopted daughters together.

An aside; I'm guessing a lot of people don't know about the allegations in that Vanity Fair article, else more of the Polanski vitriol would be directed his way?

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  • D.

    Aaaaand not one comment about Laura Dern and her long history of liking married (with children) peen?

  • Nadine

    If I cared enough about him, I would suppppppppppper hate Pattinson.

    He's dipped his wick in strange wax far, far, far more times than she played away, assuming they were ever in anything resembling a real relationship.

    He is an ungrateful shit heel who spends his time dumping on literally the only reason he is famous and making fun of the only fans he has. So does she, but for some reason when he does it it makes him 'cool and awesome' but she gets torn to shreds for it.

    Can he just fucking go away? He can take Brad Pitt with him. My lady boner for him deflated the very second he cheated on his wife with that gross old skeleton.

  • Buck Forty

    I read the first sentence of the Vanity Fair article and then stopped. How can you take that allegation seriously? For two years Mia Farrow wouldn't allow Woody Allen to be alone with her adopted daughter Dylan because of his 'unfatherly behavior'? But she (Mia) continued to have a relationship with him (Woody)?

    I hope that if you suspect your boyfriend of being a pedophile you'd tell him he can't come around any more until you work out what's actually going on. Don't just tell the help to make sure he's not alone with your daughter.

  • Less Lee Moore

    Victims in abusive relationships don't always make the decisions you'd like them to make. It doesn't make that person any less of a victim nor does it make their claims untrue.

  • Buck Forty

    Yes, I did 'get over myself' and go back and read more of the article. Allen's behaviour is strange to say the least (albeit acknowledging the allegations are coming from the Farrow camp).

  • Well, that header pic settles it - Brad Pitt was clearly the inspiration for the 'me gusta' meme.

  • debbie

    Human relationships are complicated and nobody outside of them knows what happened. Within any given relationship there are at least two people having completely different experiences, so even the participants don't necessarily know what happened to the other person. More importantly, nobody outside of the relationship has any stake in it. This should not be a topic of interest or discussion.

  • ,

    Them's some homely women involved up there: Roberts (ugh), Camilla, Soon Yi, and a photo of Jolie that makes her look like the succubus she is ...

    What? Oh, OK: Woody ain't no oil painting either.

  • I've never seen Angelina Jolie look more like a vampire than she does in that header. Seriously, the only thing saving her from Christopher Lee is the fact that she's managed to be out in the sunlight without bursting into flames.

    Also as far as Brad Pitt goes, if I managed to bag both Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie in the same year, I'd grin like an idiot too.

  • annie

    I believe Mia and Woody's biological son, Ronan, has basically said that Woody's excuse that he was not really Soon-Yi's father or father figure was total bullshit and considered it an insult to the relationship he had with someone he loved as a sister growing up.

  • TheOriginalMRod

    Well at least Angelina isn't making out with her creepy brother anymore.

  • e jerry powell

    Not on the list but certainly of note (Because they're on that cover):

    Katy Perry and John Mayer are made for each other.

    Also, what the hell is wrong with Liberty Ross's head? If she pulls her hair back and is photographed full-face...

    NO MORE BLONDE JULIA ROBERTS PICTURES. Yuck.

    I like the way Carrie Fisher put it in Wishful Drinking, on Eddie Fisher after Mike Todd's death: "He rushed to her side, gradually moving to her front… He consoled her with flowers and, ultimately, he consoled her with his penis." When Carrie puts it that way, though, it's difficult to blame Taylor outright; even Carrie acknowledges that her father was a willful horndog.

    Fortunately, I'm just black enough to not have much invested in Woody Allen, so I could care less how rotten to the core he is. (BTW, he and Keaton were never actually married, they were as shacked-up as Keaton was with Pacino and Beatty -- and she only demanded marriage from Pacino, which he wouldn't agree to; Woody has only been married three times: Harlene, Louise Lasser, and Soon-Yi.)

    Claire Danes really needs to suck a dozen rancid ostrich eggs.

  • Lyn

    This piece reminded me of the insane story of the 1970's Yankees pitchers who swapped wives:

    http://nymag.com/guides/summer...

    What shape would that be? Is it equitable enough to be a love square? Is a love rectangle more accurate? What about a love crazy diamond?

  • Sara_Tonin00

    some comedian - it might be Izzard - actually says that love triangles aren't real triangles - just love Vs.

  • Orleanas

    According to my morning sports radio duo, Affleck and Damon are interested/planning to bring this story to the big screen.

  • e jerry powell

    With motorized rotating round beds that have furry bedspreads!

  • e jerry powell

    A love parallelogram!

    Any quadrilateral will do, really.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Things fall apart. People behave badly. If there are no children involved, I don't understand all the hyperbole.

  • Maguita NYC

    What about intentionally breaking another woman's heart Mrs. Julien?

    As a woman to another, still struggling in a man's world, aren't we supposed to have at least each other's backs?

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I don't feel beholden to half the population because we have similar body parts, any more than I think all blacks should each other's back, or all Irish should have each other's back.. I'm not even sure exactly what that means, or how it's possible.

    I think people in general should be treated with respect. I don't think, in most cases, the other woman/man "intentionally" breaks a heart - they might do so knowingly, but I don't think that's the goal. I also don't think a relationship breaking up because someone falls in love with someone else is wrong. Cheating might be wrong, and breaking a vow might be wrong, but that's not a given just because one person leaves a relationship for a new love.

  • Mrs. Julien

    That's the behaving badly part.

  • Maguita NYC

    Sorry for the late reply. It was more in regards to the "no children involved" part, it seems to be the on-going excuse to butting in another's relationship.

    Whatever the situation may be, and whether they are actually married or not should not make a difference either, a woman should think twice before engaging with a man whose status is otherwise engaged to another. I've seen in the past decade too much of the "I can steal any other woman's man" motto, to the detriment of our gender's self-respect.

    Although, I've never heard a man complain about this.

    But yes, I do get the people behaving badly Mrs. J. And I am quite proud of the support the "other women" had gotten on this site, and the proper if not equal thrashing the poor "stolen" men deserved.

  • e jerry powell

    Wouldn't you have to kill all the straight men, then?

  • Sirilicious

    This article belongs on TMZ, or Perez, or The Daily Mail. This is beneath you, Pajiba.

  • e jerry powell

    Perez is too busy with his *shudder* spawn.

  • Cindy, Courtney, and Joanna all do social pieces like this and have been for a while.

  • Sirilicious

    Yeah, i know. It wasn't really the gossip angle that made me, ahm, disappointed. It was the outdated conviction that us women be slutting and stealing everyone's husbands, with no fault of their own.

    Or it should be outdated and it was a bit of a slap to see it reinforced on a site that i have come to enjoy a lot. So maybe i shouldn't have mentioned the tabloids, but "republican weekly" or something.

  • lowercase_ryan

    I don't see you making this comment in the Jennifer Lawrence/Weed post. Pretentiousness is particularly unbearable when it's inconsistent.

  • Sirilicious

    Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't know i had to read and judge all the articles to be allowed to react to one of them.

  • lowercase_ryan

    You strike me as a bandwagon basher. It's like you smelled blood in the water in this thread and decided it would be safe to take Cindy to task. If you feel so strongly about the moral standards of this website then why in the world wouldn't you comment about the posting of paparazzi spy photos taken in a young woman's hotel room?

  • Sirilicious

    Until now, i had no issues with the moral standards of pajiba (not enough to outrage myself anyway). That is probably why this article hit a nerve. I haven't really been on either side of the adultering (not while in a truly meaningful relationship anyway), but i cannot stand the way women are traditionally pictured as the homewrecker, by both men and women.

    Because it hit a nerve, i was unable to expres myself thoughtfully like Sarah Tonin and others. So i get why i have irked you and probably others. That's ok though, because the central message i agree with vehemently has been upvoted lots. I am glad that other (most?) readers agree this was not ok, so i wil pipe down and keep enjoying Pajiba.

  • lowercase_ryan

    Fair enough, I understand what you're saying and why this would irk you. It's hard for me to take celebrity relationships seriously, much less our perceptions of them.

  • Sirilicious

    My way of communicating was not exactly facilitating understanding, rainbows and puppies.

    I feel better now, after my pills. ;o)

  • Sirilicious

    WTF? The women stole and lured and deceived and connived? Oh those poor innocent male adulterers. Please PLEASE tell me you are kidding.

    You have to be kidding.

  • e jerry powell

    Yup. Yup. Yup.

    It's really difficult to tango by yourself.

  • theotherone

    Ryan Phillipe / Reese Witherspoon / Abbie Cornish

  • DenG

    One of the many reasons I dislike Julia Roberts--the "A Low Vera" and a comment she made about Angelina J.'s tawdry behavior. Hellacious huge hypocrite.

  • e jerry powell

    That's the kind of triple-h that gets Smackdown-ed!

    America's Sweetheart hasn't been Debbie Reynolds for a long time, and this one has no Debbie Reynolds in her at all.

  • Lee

    Agreed. Out of all of those stories, Julia Roberts is the worst. What an entitled, selfish brat. Ugh!

  • aroorda

    Worse than Woody Allen molesting his daughter and marrying another one? Really?

  • Bert_McGurt

    Jesus Murphy, I've barely started that VF article and I'm already thinking Mia should have just called Frank and have him get his people to "take care" of Woody. There's some Grade A child predator behaviour on the first page alone.

    If all that's true then he's so, SO much more morally repugnant than any of the other cases on this list. Breaking your marriage vows is one thing, but SEVEN year olds?

    Excuse me, I need to go pour bleach on my brain.

  • e jerry powell

    I didn't even make it to the second paragraph.

  • Adrienne Marie

    Eight year olds, Dude.

  • Bert_McGurt

    Exactly.

  • Ayup.

  • Bodhi

    My husband's grandmother started bitching about Angelina Jolie one day & I almost got up & walked away. Now I've read all kinds of stupid shit about The Triangle, but hearing an 85 year old woman trash talking her & the kiddos was too much for me. Ugh. Let. It. GO.

    Next time I should ask her opinions about Liz Taylor.

  • e jerry powell

    That made me laugh about something else.

    I have a good friend who married a Buenos Aires native. Her husband likes to swear up and down about how evil Eva Peron was, and I'm like, dude, you weren't born until 1964.

  • oilybohunk7

    It isn't Hollywood but Martin Brodeur, Goaltender for the New Jersey Devils, cheated on his wife with her sister and married her after he got divorced. He had children with the first wife so their aunt is now their stepmom. So disgusting.

  • Bert_McGurt

    That makes me feel even better about my Jets hammering them last night. Although Marty begged off with a sore back, so he was not subject to our scorn. THIS TIME.

  • oilybohunk7

    There are some goaltenders I feel bad for if we score on them too much, Marty isn't one, neither is Luongo, and I quite enjoyed being at the game to watch the Wings score 8 goals on him.

  • Eve

    I'm Brazilian (and live in Brazil). Hockey isn't popular here so I had to google Martin Brodeur. So...Wikipedia told me he had an affair with -- and later married -- his brother-in-law's wife.

    Still gross, but not as gross as if it had been his sister-in-law.

  • oilybohunk7

    I should have fact checked myself, that isn't QUITE as bad but it is still pretty awful!

  • Eve

    Don't worry, I wasn't fact checking -- I was simply driven by morbid curiosity.

    *edited.

  • oilybohunk7

    I know you weren't!

  • Sara_Tonin00

    whoaaaa. I had no idea. But I'm a Rangers fan, so [insert comment about tawdry Devils here]

  • oilybohunk7

    Ha! I'm a Red Wings fan, I'm always hesitant to admit that because they tend to be quite polarizing, so we don't have much dealings with the Devils. They are very "meh" to me.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    octopus!

  • Adrienne Marie

    Exactly. Don't care how good a hockey player he is, he's still a scumbag.

  • $27019454

    I don't think Diane Keaton was married to Woody Allen. I think they are longtime companions but not married. Has Diane Keaton ever been married?

  • F'mal DeHyde

    Just read online today a list of celebrities that have never been married and she's one of them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

  • Mrs. Julien

    She has not, but she had long term relationships with Woody Allen, Warren Beatty, and Al Pacino.

  • Janet

    Quaid DID cheat on Ryan throughout their entire marriage. That was not just a claim. In fact they already seperated early 2000 and she never got involved with Crowe before that. But of course, Quaid has never admitted to his endless cheating ways. He didnt just ruin his marriage to Meg Ryan with it, last year he also ruined his third marriage to Kimberly Buffington by cheating on her too for years. And now he is yet again involved with a skank 25 yrs his junior. This man should never get married again OR ever have kids again. Shame on him.

  • e jerry powell

    I wouldn't call her a skank per se, but I would suggest she get a haircut so as not to look quite so much like Ann Coulter made a baby with Jennifer Aniston.

  • Bert_McGurt

    What's even scarier is that he's the NORMAL Quaid.

  • Maguita NYC

    I thought we gave the other ones to Canada?? Not our Quaids anymore. No..?

  • Bert_McGurt

    That's the problem! I'm up here too!

    Although it appears he's not had luck getting a residency permit. So you may be getting him back.

  • Maguita NYC

    Care for an exchange? We'll take back Those Quaids, and lend you for an indefinite period of time the unholy K Trinity: Kloe, Kim and ... the other one...

  • Bert_McGurt

    We'd be happy to trade for Kiefer?

  • Maguita NYC

    Sorry for the late reply, but if you mean Sutherland, send him right over, we'll extend his working visa indefinitely.

    One must admit, he tends to get drunkest on our turf most times, so it makes no difference to us, we love that cuddly spirits-guzzling Canuck.

  • e jerry powell

    Kharisma, Uniqueness, Nerve, and...?

  • Captain_Tuttle

    It ain't talent, that's for sure.

  • e jerry powell

    ^5

  • Awww yeeeee

    Yeah this is slightly sexist but it's okay I still love y'all. I'm just saying men are beings with minds, they weren't kidnapped. They could have just as easily said "NO, I have a wife/girlfriend whom I am faithful to!"

  • e jerry powell

    You can say I'm wrong,
    You think that's kind of freaky,
    I can't be trusted, kinda sneaky,
    But no, get your story right,
    He knocked on my door
    So what should I say no for?

    (So if that's your boyfriend
    If that's your boyfriend
    If that's your boyfriend,
    He wasn't last night.)

  • Milly

    That Vanity Fair article about Woody Allen? Bloody hell.

    I'd not paid much attention to him before reading that - I haven't enjoyed the little of seen of his films - and knew that he'd married an adoptive daughter, but bloody hell.

    Just, bloody hell.

    In the UK there are articles and headline nightly news features about child abuse committed by TV/Music/Film personalities that were kickstarted about a deceased children's tv presenter called Jimmy Saville (I know he didn't just do kids tv, but Jim'll Fix It was a cultural juggernaut) which has included many many other celebrities.

    And yet, nothing has been said about Woody Allen.

  • kirbyjay

    Au contrare. The Woody-had-a-woody-for-Soon Yi story was HUGE and the Woodster was lambasted for years over that one. Rightfully so.
    He was accused of molesting his actual daughter by Farrow. As for his daughters with Soon Yi, I'm pretty sure they aren't adopted. I'm hoping no adoption agency would ever give him a child, especially female, after the scandal.

  • foolsage

    Yeah, that article was pretty damning of Allen. Ick. I read it back when it came out, and just reread it now.

    I liked Allen's movies until I learned what kind of person he is. I'd enjoyed Sleeper, Zelig, and Purple Rose of Cairo especially... and then I read that article, and did some follow-up reading. Then I never watched another of his films from that day forth.

    I didn't realize it'd been 21 years already. Hey, my boycott of Woody Allen is old enough to drink. Too old for Allen then.

  • e jerry powell

    Certainly less than has been said about Polanski. I suspect that Polanski was already subject to more attention at the time because of Sharon Tate, though.

  • BWeaves

    Yeah, I couldn't get through half of that VF article. Geez, Woody Allen is creepy. I never could understand how he got women to start with, but kids, yuck.

    I used to watch Top of the Pops when I lived in England in the 1960s. I remember Jimmy Saville. It's a shame this only came out after he died. He needed a public shaming.

  • Lee

    Just read that article! Skeeeevy skeeve skeevious man. I can believe that he is a creepy paedophile, and a genuinely evil man. Avoiding all his films from now on.

  • Maguita NYC

    You should read the one about the Duchess of York's ex husband Andrew. http://www.vanityfair.com/soci...

    He is on a whole new level of Woody-Allen perversion.

  • Milly

    I read that article, and wasn't creeped out by it that much. The reference made to a friend of his was done in a very loose way, and the age of the girl in question, 17, isn't in itself a crime in the UK.

    I've looked at a few English newspaper articles, but the focus is on Epstein and how it is "unseemly" for a royal to be gallivanting about with someone of their character and with working girls in tow.

    It doesn't show andrew windsor (I'm staunchly anti-royal) in anywhere near as bad a light as it does Woody Allen and just reinforces the impression that a lot of people here have of him; he's an entitled twat who takes the piss from tax payers.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Read about Epstein; he is a creepy creepy dude. NY Magazine did a profile on him maybe 5 or 6 years ago.

  • Derreck

    I know Camilla and Charles are probably each other's lobsters but i would've had a VERY hard time accepting her as my stepmom if i were William and Harry.

    I'm sure they accepted her because they're classy and shit, but everyone knows Diana's complete displeasure towards Camilla and her long adulterous relationship with Charles. Hell, they could go on YouTube and look up her super-scandalous Panorama interview.

    Things are probably fine now and presumably Charles had a mature talk with them, but wow. Both Charles and Camilla are to blame, but it must have a little bit of a sting that Camilla is now offficially (but never spoken of because Buckingham Palace would be set on fire) Princess of Wales, Diana's old title.

  • e jerry powell

    Nope. She is styled as Her Royal Highness, but Camilla herself adopted HRH Duchess of Cornwall, specifically because of Diana's association with HRH Princess of Wales. There's still some contentiousness about whether or not Camilla is entitled to be styled as Queen Camilla (should Charles ever ascend to the throne, which is a big if, from the looks of his mom), and she's already decided to style herself as Princess Consort, where as QEII's mother was styled as Queen Consort. There's probably something legal in there, but British dynastic law gives me headaches.

  • Derreck

    I kind of implied that. Camilla *is* officially Princess of Wales by all counts BUT she doesn't use that title out of respect for Diana and the massive attachment that the public has with that title and Diana (which i meant by "never spoken of because Buckingham Palace would be set on fire").

    She would have gotten loads upon loads of backlash if she used that title after the PR disaster that Diana (rightfully so) created for the Royal Family and so Cornwall became more suitable.

  • e jerry powell

    True. I try not to pay much attention, but my brain just grabs information whenever it wants some. As it is, Camilla has no title of her own, and can only style herself as whatever titles her husband holds, and Charles, in addition to being Prince of Wales, is also Duke of Cornwall, which I believe is his next-highest title or something like that.

    So very Tristan und Isolde, now that I think of it.

  • ljridley

    I once had a long argument with a friend of mine about the necessity of separating the artist from the art. I believed strongly that Woody Allen's movies were still worthwhile even if he is disgusting. My friend strongly believed the opposite. Twenty years later, I can't watch his movies (whether he is in them or not) and my friend can. He gives me the heebies.

  • Lyn

    Yeah, he is several galaxies of sketchiness beyond the run-of-the-mill cheating in the other examples. I think he preyed on Soon-Yi and I wouldn't consider it a "love triangle." He and Polanski are the two artists who work I avoid because of their personal lives (Chris Brown would be in that group too if I didn't already avoid his music because it's garbage.)

  • Bedewcrock

    I have this exact argument with my friend ALL THE TIME. We've actually put a kibosh on ever bringing up Woody Allen again because all we do is argue about it and then we spiral into "Well, what about Roman Polanski?"

    Frankly, I just don't find him very funny and I can't distinguish between the two personas (professional and personal).

  • Maguita NYC

    Ah, The Polanski debacle. After watching "Roman Polanski, Wanted and Desired", and reading related documents on The Smoking Gun, I could not watch any of his movies anymore.

    Made me gag.

  • carrie

    one of my colleague's ex-stepfather was the boyfriend of his mum's sister when he knew her.When his mum and his ex-stepfather broke,his ex-stepfather was with his ex-wife's daughter and they had 2 kids and now the ex-stepfather is separated of his 2nd wife and he's with the daughter of his first wife/ sister of his 2nd wife

    his ex-stepfather had a relation with his aunt,his mum and his 2 sisters (Viva the french behaviours!)

  • Jezzer

    I think I've heard this story before. Does it end with a beautiful diamond ring inside a Pop-Tart?

  • e jerry powell

    Toaster Strudel!

  • Wait. What.

  • e jerry powell

    Welcome to Arkansas, ladies and gents.

  • Maguita NYC

    French behavior? This has redneck bayou written all over it... Or whatever I understood of it.

  • Bedewcrock

    I think we all need a diagram. Words with arrows and things to connect it all.

    Or start out "There was this man (my colleague) who had an ex-stepfather....."

  • Eve

    I'm thinking about drawing it down.

  • Bedewcrock

    1. Carrie’s colleague’s ex-step-father (we’ll call him Man) used to date his wife’s (Carrie’s colleague’s mom) sister.

    2. Man broke up with Carrie’s colleague’s mom’s sister.

    3. Man then married Carrie’s colleague’s mom.

    4. Man and Carrie’s colleague’s mom got divorced.

    5. Now Man will be called Carrie’s colleague’s ex-stepfather.

    6. Ex-stepfather gets with Carrie’s colleague’s mom’s daughter (Ex-stepfather’s ex-stepdaughter and also Carrie’s colleague’s possible sister or half-sister)

    a. Ex-stepfather and Carrie’s colleague’s mom’s daughter (ex-stepfather’s ex-stepdaughter) have 2 children. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY’RE MARRIED.

    7. Ex-stepfather separates from his ex-stepdaughter/girlfriend (Carrie’s colleague’s mom’s daughter).

    8. “he's with the daughter of his first wife/ sister of his 2nd wife” = I HAVE NO GODDAMN IDEA

    *faints*

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