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We Live In a Country Where Cops Could Shoot a Dog Four Times And Russell Brand Is a Voice of Reason

By Dustin Rowles | Pajiba Love | July 2, 2013 | Comments ()


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After a man out in Hawthorne, California was arrested for a sound violation, the police shot his dog. Four times. It was caught on camera. Don't watch it. It is vile. (Buzzfeed)

You know who else is not nice? NAZI GERMANY. Hitler supporters apparently tried to assassinate Einstein on account of him being Jewish, and also intelligent and beloved. THAT WILL NOT STAND. (I09)

Let's do something nice now, like commend these 10 great television actors in thankless television roles. (Uproxx)

Afternoon Delight is an indie flick starring Kathryn Hahn, Ted Moseby, and Juno Temple, about a woman with an unfulfilling sex life meets a stripper and EVERYTHING CHANGES. But seriously, this movie looks outstanding. (Slashfilm)

I hate it when Russell Brand takes to The Guardian with his thoughtful, insightful op-eds, because every time he does, I'm forced to like him a little more. (WG)

Travel and Leisure has ranked the snobbiest cities in America, and the the staff here is well represented: Boston (TK) at #3), Houston (Dan) at #18), Portland, Maine (myself) at #19, Chicago (Courtney) at #7, while San Francisco -- and Joanna -- is the snobbiest. (Seth Koenig)

It IS OK to cry if you're a man. Sentimentality is GOOD. Thank you, Andrew Sean Greer, for validating my life. (The Daily Beast)

GoFugYourself is celebrating their ninth anniversary, which must also mean that we are nine years old since Pajiba launched the same month that GFY did back in 2004. Congratulations, Heather and Jessica. (GFY)

"Michael Pitt and Kristen Stewart sat next to each other in the front row at the Chanel couture show in Paris today and they tried hard to out-sour face each other. If they talked at all, they probably only communicated through grunts, moans and Morrissey lyrics." (DListed)

I admit, I'm delighted by all of these Game of Thrones characters in different contemporary decades images. (Unreality)

I don't know why Gina Carano and Henry Cavill broke up, but if Cavill left Carano for Kaley Cuoco -- who he is now dating -- Cavil officially has sh*t for brains. (Celebitchy)

Avril Lavigne and Chad Kroeger are officially married, combining the worst in Canadian union into one magically hellish union. (Vulture)



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  • kali yuga

    “In my ten years in law enforcement on the street, I can’t remember one case where a police officer shot a dog,” says Russ Jones, the former narcotics cop with the San Jose Police Department and the DEA. “I don’t understand it at all. I guess somewhere along the line a cop shot a dog under questionable circumstances and got away with it. Word got out, and now it seems like some cops are just looking for reasons to take a shot at a dog. Maybe it just comes down to that—we can get away with it, therefore we do it.”

    http://tinyurl.com/n46he3d

  • JoannaRobinson

    HEY

  • stryker1121

    Chicago is quite friendly, I've found, unlike snob central, aka NYC..

  • Finance_Nerd

    I think you're mistaking snobs for assholes

  • melissa82

    Yeah don't read the comments for that Travel & Leisure post. Although I'm sure you all probably know never to read the comments anywhere other than here....

  • Bodhi

    Oh yeah, number 10, baby! I can totally see how my hometown would be considered super polite & pretty snobby

  • e jerry powell

    Austin is 19?

    Only within two miles of the river in either direction west of I-35.

    And maybe within two yards of Rick Perry's head.

  • Finance_Nerd

    I don't know where they get off calling Austin snobby. Weird or artsy, sure (especially in South Congress). I don't think it's the tech people (which I am one of), but it definitely could be the politicians.

  • Maguita NYC

    Keep Austin Weird.

  • delle

    People! You have to click through on the Uproxx link to the article on great tv actors in thankless roles because of there is a picture of Charles Dance and Gwendoline Christie that will make you feel ALL the Happy!!!

    It's the first time I've seen that pic, but even if you've seen it before, it's well worth a second look. Seriously...my heart grew 3 sizes today.

    ...and we seem to need more Happy up in here methinks; I didn't for an instant consider clicking through any link about animals getting killed cause I don't go out of my way to expose myself to things that will ruin my day, and after seeing Mrs. Julien leaving the room, for once I am not going to read the comments on a thread here. Me and my 3-sizes-too-big heart will be moseying along.

  • abell

    And, here we go. I'm just not outraged about the dog. I'm sad. It is terrible that the dog died and there were a lot of junctures where we say, 'maybe.' Maybe the cops didn't need to arrest him. Maybe he should have rolled up the windows. Maybe they could have tazed the dog instead. But, I do think that the cops found themselves in a threatening situation and responded reasonably.

  • kali yuga

    Cops are good at creating "threatening situations" whereby they get to beat up people and shoot animals.

  • abell

    Really? These cops decided to arrest him so they could shoot his dog? I'm interested to see how you defend that.

  • kali yuga
  • abell

    That's not an argument. Those are clips of cops violently interacting with citizens without any context. Try again.

  • kali yuga

    I made a statement which is true, indisputably so. You have presented no evidence to refute it.

  • abell

    The statement doesn't defend your thesis that cops deliberately create situations in which they can be violent for the sake of being violent. You merely provided evidence of police violence. It's implied that these instances of violence were in some way unjustified and the circumstances surrounding them were caused by the cops because they enjoy inflicting violence. Assuming all of that, you then imply that since all cops act the same these cops in Hawthorne created a situation with a guy so they could beat him and kill his dog. However, you have yet to defend any of those implications, all of which, I believe, are unsustainable.

    In short, try again.

  • kali yuga

    I didn't say anything about the cops in Hawthorne. I made a statement that is indisputably true. Sorry for disappointing you.

  • abell

    Oh, it was a non sequitur. I didn't catch that. I thought that you were responding to my opinions on this particular incident in which a few cops shot a dog in Hawthorne, CA. You still haven't shown that video of police violence implies that cops deliberately create incidents so that they can be violent. Unless, maybe your only point is that cops tend to be present when there is violence, in which case I think you're mistaking correlation with causation. Clearly, I'm not getting it, please explain your views in more detail. I'd hate to accidentally create a strawmen out of your views.

  • kali yuga

    You should watch the video I posted earlier in this thread, in which cops in riot gear invade a home in the middle of the night on suspicion that the family is in possession of marijuana. The thugs immediately shoot the family dog, then drag the father out of bed and humiliate him in full view of a young child who is being thoroughly traumatized. I think the beginning of the video, where you can see these American heroes bravely sneak up to the home under cover of night, provides plenty of “context.” If you’re still not convinced that these thugs in uniform “created” the violent situation, then there’s not a whole lot more I can do for you.

  • Devil Child

    The cops were ordered to head into that house. If the people didn't deserve to be broken into, it's the guys who ordered the arrest who should get punished for it.

    Jesus Christ, does no one on this forum actually know what it's like to be a cop?

  • kali yuga

    Following orders is not an excuse. You should watch "Judgement at Nuremberg."

  • abell

    Hold on, how many kali yugas do we have? On my screen you, kali yuga, with an account, are replying to kali yuga without one.

    Is disqus doing this, or, what? Also, is anyone else seeing it?

  • abell

    Wait, now you're devil's child. Is this entire thread just one person arguing with him/herself?

  • abell

    Yea, that video doesn't provide a whole lot of context either, particularly given how little is shown. Within the video, we don't know what the warrant is for and we don't see the dogs shot, so we can't tell if they were aggressive, etc. It appears that they're serving a drug warrant, explaining the SWAT team, though, it appears that degree of force was unnecessary. Perhaps they overestimated the threat, working on bad evidence, and the warrant shouldn't have been issued. Perhaps there's too much aggressiveness when dealing with the drug war. I'm not going to fight you there. However, let's give these cops the benefit of the doubt (this is America) and assume that they reasonably (and apparently incorrectly) thought that they were raiding a serious drug house, and were prepared for armed resistance, violent dogs, etc. We don't see the dog shot or it's behavior, so, that's all unknown. Maybe/maybe not. So, ultimately, this doesn't work as objective evidence that police are creating violent situations unreasonably. Your tone and word choice (thugs instead of police, sarcastic use of American heroes bravely sneaking up on a house, etc) betrays your bias.

    Also, earlier, it said you were JJ, and now, it's saying that you're Kali Yuga. Which is weird. Is that a thing that happens with disqus?

  • kali yuga

    Sorry, but I'm not willing to give the cops the benefit of a doubt. This is police state stuff-- totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. I just don't see how anyone can excuse this sort of behavior. If busting into someone's private home in the middle of the night, guns blazing, doesn't qualify as "creating" a violent situation, then I'm doubtful there's any evidence I could provide that is going to move you on this point.

  • abell

    Alright, here are the possible scenarios that led to that video. 1. A bunch of cops decided to raid a house with no justification in the middle of the night. 2. Police got a little bit of evidence that there might be some drugs in the house and got a warrant that allowed them to employ a full on raid where it wasn't necessary. 3. Police had reasonable evidence that there was a significant drug presence there and was wrong. The first would be an obvious case of police state, though, I think we can all agree that didn't happen. Instance 2, the fault may be on overzealous cops pushing for unnecessary action (swat, etc), or that the law has a really low bar for what's required to have that level of violence. They might be required by policy to prepare that way for certain types of raids. It may have come down to their bosses decision to make sure their guys were safe. It seems likely that something in here was what happened, though, there's no way of knowing which. In this case, the fault is laid at the feet of the laws or policy or some assholes trying to get an arrest despite the risks or overcautious superiors, or any number of other factors which don't scream police state. Option 3, the police responded reasonably and an honest (and terrible) mistake occurred.

    So, I think your claims of this being police state action is a bit unreasonable. I don't think it should have happened. I think mistakes were made, and changes need to be made to prevent them, but, I don't see any reason to believe that the cops involved are just a bunch of armed thugs. Those involved might have had no idea about the warrant prior to showing up, but, believe that they were legitimately enforcing the law.

  • kali yuga

    There is no "reasonable" explanation for that type of raid on the grounds that there may be drugs, particularly marijuana, inside. Period. Unfortunately, though, this is pretty standard behavior for cops in the so-called drug war. It's mind-boggling to me that anyone would try to excuse these sort of draconian police state tactics. But I guess that's where we are as a society.

  • kali yuga

    By the way, even if you support the ridiculous “drug war,”
    the proper way to act on a warrant is to show up during daylight hours (not the
    middle of the night when people are sleeping), knock on the door, show the
    residents that you have a warrant to search their home, and you only use brute
    force as the very last resort. At
    least, that’s how it would be done in a sane society that really respected all those
    “freedoms” Americans are always crowing about.

  • Mrs. Julien

    [backing slowly out of thread, eyes downcast, avoiding sudden moves, wondering what kind of people think that internet anonymity makes it acceptable to talk to each other this way, remembering Ann Coulter exists, shrugging]

  • Maguita NYC

    And then I found 5$.

  • e jerry powell

    But Ann Coulter always puts her name on it. So does Michelle Malkin. I have to give them that.

  • kali yuga

    I don't think you'll ever see Ann Coulter and Devil Child in the same room together.

  • 20,000 upvotes here.

  • emmalita

    I'll see your 20,000 up votes and raise you one millllllion up votes.

  • emmalita

    10,000 upvotes.

  • kali yuga

    Here's more of America's finest protecting and serving. Don't these fucking heroes just make you so proud. God bless America.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

  • kali yuga
  • I'm not sure I fully approve, but Cavill choosing Kaley Cuoco isn't too much cause to question his brains. On a purely physical basis, I find her pretty attractive. Beyond that, who knows. But not a crazy decision.

    And what kind of a sick fuck shoots a dog, or really any animal that isn't actively trying to kill you or for hunting/eating purposes?

  • Mrs. Julien

    Excuse me, but does Ms. Cuoco figure into this process as anything other than something waiting to be "chosen"?

  • Yes, obviously. I was just responding to Dustin's narrative of Cavill's choice and why he thought it was a bad one, which I don't get.

  • jon29

    Feels like I must have watched a different video from most here. The one I saw showed police in a tense, armed stand-off when some jackass stops to show off his sound system, and ignore requests to stay back from an active fucking crime scene. Oh, and he's failed to secure his 80 pound rottweiler, which lunges at officers not once, not twice, but three times before being put down.

  • John G.

    No same video, but you're watching it with your head inside your own ass, so it looks different.

  • Devil Child

    I'm watching it thinking of the human fucking beings involved. Not the braindead furball with claws and teeth jumping at the man with the gun.

  • John G.

    the pig with no brain and a legal right to kill and a dog who doesn't understand what's happening, you mean?

    If the dog is just a ball of fur with no reason, then shouldn't we blame the obviously superior and much more important human being in this situation? The one with reason?

  • Fabius_Maximus

    Should he have let the dog bite him, then?

  • John G.

    There are other ways to subdue an animal besides killing them, especially if they're behavior has an obvious cause, like you're attacking their master.

    If I were him, and I wasn't a psychopath who reaches for his gun as the first option, I would have pushed the arrested guy in front of me to calm the animal.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    Of course, when a dangerous animal comes at you, you always react calmly and logically.

  • oilybohunk7

    Obviously the dog understands English so I'm sure he could have just reasoned with it.

  • Devil Child

    Oh yeah, because he's a human being who killed an animal, he doesn't really count as a person. Dont'cha just hope he gets AIDS?

    Here's your fucking reason. You get jumped by a fast, big thing with teeth and claws, what the fuck are you supposed to do?

  • jon29

    Don't you have some strawmen (excuse me, some teenaged sons with baseball bats) to watch?

  • John G.

    It's not a strawman. It's using something I presume you do value, a human child versus something you don't value, a dog.

  • jon29

    It is the very definition of a strawman argument. You can't sensibly explain why a police officer who has been lunged at 3 times by a dangerous and agitated rottweiler shouldn't be allowed to defend himself, so instead you imagine a what if this dog had been a person? That's nonsense.

    You've also assumed I don't value dogs. (False, for whatever that's worth)

    You did it again when you said below that I think playing music loudly should be enough to be arrested and have your dog killed.

    Both strawmen. Grow up.

  • John G.

    Do you think deadly force is warranted in any case where an officer feels threatened? Was there nothing else beyond shooting the dog four times that could have subdued the dog? Should the police have to take fewer considerations when it's a dog and not a person? These are exploratory questions to identify the boundaries of your ethics, not a strawman.

  • oilybohunk7

    So he should have just asked it nicely to stop lunging? Or tell it "Stop, or I'll shoot!" Dogs are people so dogs understand English.

  • Devil Child

    The fact that you'd even compare the two shows how much of a piece of shit you really are. Go the fuck away.

  • Devil Child

    Jesus, I can't bellieve the retarded comments people are making about the fucking dog. It's a fucking dog, and a Rottweiler at that. It jumped at the police officer. Of course the officer shoots the fast running, loud barking thing jumping at him with claws and teeth.

    Of all the stupid fucking things to complain about. If that officer shot an unarmed man, no one would give a shit. But a fucking dog with teeth and claws jumping at him? Now that's fucking unforgivable.

    If Rodney King were still alive, he'd died of shame.

  • Jezzer

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I kind of hope you choke to death on your own vitriol.

  • Devil Child

    I hope you get diabetes, and are refused insulin because animals have to die to save your useless life.

    Get fucked.

  • Jezzer

    There, there, precious. There, there.

  • NateMan

    He's cute, isn't he? It's like someone took a chimp, taught it to type, and then shot it full of a combination of adrenaline, Red Bull, and crystal meth. And then gave it electroshock therapy. And made it watch while you had sex with his mom. And then sent it out in the world to play with the big kids.

  • Jezzer

    Where it was promptly shot four times by a policeman.

  • Jezzer

    And then a cop shot it four times.

    "IT'S THE CIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE
    IT'S THE WHEEL OF FORTUUUUUUUUNE"

  • Slash

    I think people would care if the cops shot the guy instead of the dog (or in addition to). But seeing the dog dying makes people verklempt. The people in the tape were kinda traumatized, too.

    The dog would be alive if the owner had been more careful. The problem is, people aren't as careful with pets and kids as they should be, for the same reasons. They think of pets as endearing and cute and forget that to other people, dogs (large dogs, esp.) are threatening. The guy should have left the dog in the car with the windows rolled up enough to keep the dog inside.

    I can't be really upset about a dog dying today. Somebody dumped the body of a little girl on the street in Saginaw, TX yesterday, exactly as if they'd left a bag of garbage. http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/loc...

    And Saturday, a teenager beat a little kid to death in Fort Worth. http://www.star-telegram.com/2...

    And this: http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime...

    So it's hard for me to feel as much for the dog as I might have. Or his dumb owner. So while I think the cops overreacted, I'm more concerned about the dead humans.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Portland, Maine is a "city"?

  • Genevieve Burgess

    I'm surprised DC is as low as number 9. Then again, very few people living in DC were born and raised here, and that may contribute to a slightly lower than anticipated level of snobbishness.

  • DominaNefret

    I was born and raised here!
    From what I have seen, those born and raised here are not the biggest contributing factor to our snobbishness.
    Though I was also surprised at being only #9.

  • Genevieve Burgess

    Wooo! I actually lived in PG county until I was 12 and have unexpectedly but not unpleasantly ended up back in the area and working in the city.

    As for the poll, I guess we all figure we've got better things to do with our time than be jerks? Who knows.

  • DominaNefret

    I was born in the city, but I also lived in PG until I was 12. Err, 11? One of the two. Fort Foote.
    Been in Fairfax County since then. I keep moving away, but always end up coming back.

    I think DC is also perceived as being snobbier and unfriendlier than it actually is, even by its own residents. Or maybe especially so.

  • e jerry powell

    Or it could be that a good bit of the snobbishness in D.C. is transient, imported from places like Wisconsin's 7th district.

  • emmalita

    Also a high transient rate (both homeless and short-term residences).

  • nosio

    We're #7! We're #7!

    ::reads source::

    Wait, we're snobby because of pizza and comedy? What about homicides?! WE'RE THE BEST AT HOMICIDES!

  • emmalita

    Hmmph! DC has a higher murder rate per capita than Chicago.

  • Mrcreosote

    Happy Birthday Pajiba! I got the site a nice panel test for STDs, an unverified 8 ball (either billiard or drugs, your choice) and a cassingle of Poison for the Turk dance. An unmarked panel van will be by later to drop it off. Just listen for the honking. Oh, and the dubstep.

  • I'm working on my "Happy Birthday, Pajiba" mix tape as we speak!

  • Kathleen Allen

    i've enjoyed reading mr brand's guardian articles for awhile now. there really is much more to him than big hair and tight pants. he has a keen intelligence and a sympathetic/caring personality and he's had some life experiences that have created a worthwhile voice. i may not always enjoy his humour, but i've always gained something from his writing.

  • emmalita

    He's someone whose opinions I enjoy from afar.

  • kushiro -

    What I want to know is: if a cop shot my dog for barking at him, and I tore out his throat with my teeth, is there a jury that would convict me?

  • Devil Child

    Yes, now please kill yourself.

  • kushiro -

    Hi. Not gonna do that. Gonna live a long time. Sorry if that ruins your day, but otherwise, have a nice day.

  • NateMan

    I thought you were sad because human life is supposed to be sacred? Be consistent, sad little troll.

  • Devil Child

    Pardon me for not giving a shit about the dipshit who thinks brutal retaliatory murder against the guy who killed the giant, teethy, fangy thing that jumped at them is acceptable.

  • kushiro -

    My dog is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. He's the size of a loaf of Italian bread and is scared of loud voices and plastic bags. But he's the best and if you shoot him I will tear your face off.

  • John G.

    My dog is even smaller. I got a smaller dog in part because I'd read so many stories of cops shooting larger dogs.

  • Mrs. Julien

    Dudes, your Alec Baldwin is showing.

  • John G.

    HA! I'm gonna start using this expression from today.

    "your alec baldwin is showing"

  • NateMan

    Doesn't matter if they'd convict me or not. They shoot my dog (in the hypothetical circumstance that my wife or I are finally working the hours necessary to be home enough to be responsible dog owners) and unless I'm in handcuffs and down on the ground already, I'm going for the throat.

  • Devil Child

    Assholes like you are the reason why human life is never sacred. You admit a dog you don't give a shit about because you're a terrible owner is more valuable than a fucking human being. Fuck you.

  • Jezzer

    I think assholes like you are the reason why human life is never "sacred." I'd pick my dog over you any day.

  • Devil Child

    I'd pick a homeless street junkie over you and your dog any day.

  • Jezzer

    It's cute about how all your righteous indignation over the sanctity of human life goes right out the window the instant someone disagrees with you. It must be awful being you (well, that's actually a given, but in this particular instance I meant because of your terrible, terrible hypocrisy).

  • NateMan

    Aww, muffin. Your lack of reading comprehension warms the cockles of my heart. I don't have a dog right now, numbnuts, BECAUSE we don't have the time to be responsible dog owners. That was pretty clear, unless you're either brain-damaged or still reading at the 5th grade level.

    Oh, and for the record; yes, the dog I will have will be more valuable to me than a pansy-ass cop who's so scared of a barking dog he decides to shoot it.

    But thanks for the chuckle! You took a terrible story and made me laugh about it.

  • Devil Child

    Yeah, you show somebody's child that they better not dare mess with the retarded furball you own that attacked them.

    You're a fucking disgusting human being. You should put your head under a car tire.

  • NateMan

    Anyone ever tell you you're cute when you're all ranty? I'm sporting some serious e-wood over here. I'm stuck in that whole monogamy thing right now, but if that changes I'm gonna look you up. Nothing gets me hotter than a sweaty little grunter like you.

  • Devil Child

    I always have a good time shitting on an irredeemable piss stain like yourself. Now go take a bath, and stick your labtop in it.

  • NateMan

    You have a serious addiction to every day bodily functions. You might want to consider psychiatric care before it turns from a mere fetish which requires the consent of highly paid if somewhat unpicky Dommes to something more debilitating.

    But I hope you don't. I love you just the way you are, my little Devil's Food Cupcake. Don't you go changin', not even when your testes take that big drop.

  • JJ

    Yes, they likely all would because, as someone who has owned and been around dogs his entire life including having to be the one to choose to put them down, dogs are not people.

    My dog is a member of my family, and I love her very much. I would be devastated if she were killed. Like NateMan posted above via the Business Insider article, all officers should have comprehensive training on how to handle tense situations with dogs. However if my dog lunged at an officer, I would assume that they may use lethal force.

  • kushiro -

    Sure, if you're going to approach it from a detached logical point-of-view, then of course dogs are not people, and you shouldn't tear the person who shoots your dog limb-from-limb. But from a blind-rage, you just shot my dog point-of-view, are 12 people going to agree to convict?

  • Devil Child

    This is the kind of retarded shit people say about their wives to get off death row.

    "I mean, your honor, the man was fucking my bitch, pardon my French. I couldn't help but fly into a blind rage and stab 'em to death."

    Now please shut the fuck up.

  • kushiro -

    No.

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