Pajiba

Well if you insist paul...

I wish we could spray birth-control from planes, like crop-dusting. Then, if you want to have a baby, you obtain a license and a get a shot to turn your baby-stuff back on.

I've always thought it'd be much better if the uterus was dettachable. Like a lightbulb. You screw it out when you wanna screw for fun, and screw it in when you want your screwing to transcend.

Okay, I need to rant. The Prop 8 vote was a horrible bigoted turn for California and it's important that it should be reversed, overturned or whatever the legal terminology is for erasing a constitutional amendment, but Melissa Etheridge can shut up about taxes. Millions of us paid our taxes every year through 8 horrendous years of Bush policies that we opposed, millions who oppose Obama will do so under his administration. I lived in DC for five years where no-one ever gets representation for their federal taxes because it's not considered a state. Taxation without representation happens every day. The way to fight this thing is not to act like a baby and decide you're opting out of the system. She needs to get her ass over to the ACLU and give them some cash to begin fighting their legal challenge to the Prop 8 issue. Then she should set up a fund for gay couples who are not as comfortable as she is to help them work through the various legal issues they face because of their marriages being possibly overturned. Do something positive instead of whining about taxes.

Dear Felicia Day:

We should mate. Seriously.

Sincerely,

TK

PS: Hey, stupid California voters? Feel free to take a flying fucking leap off a fucking cliff, you fucking fuckheads.

Pajiba apparently hates Connecticut, gunn. There was a whole thing.

Oh, fuck Connecticut. Get back to me when you learn how to organize a fucking traffic pattern, you fucks.

I'm still kind of composing my thoughts on what this election means to me, overall, but mostly it strengthens my belief that the government should not be in the marriage business. I believe that if the government does not feel free to apply the term "marriage" to any two consenting adults wishing to enter into that (legal) contract, then they need to be in charge of civil union licenses and leave "marriage" up to churches, who have always had the right to refuse to recognize the legal entity. My parents had to get married twice since they needed a special dispensation to be married in the Catholic church that hadn't come in by their actual wedding.

I'm not suggesting that gay couples should only be able to have civil unions as opposed to marriage licenses, I'm saying ALL couples should have their contract of civil union issued by the government and their marriage in a church or other venue (if that's their wish). The contract granted by the government is a legal document first and foremost and shouldn't be subject to these hysterical notions of morality. Separation of church and state, people, it's not difficult.

While perusing more of the "Don't Blame Me" Facebook Flair I discovered that they've got a real rivalry going with the Twilight Flair.

I dare say there seem to be a lot of people ready and willing to withstand ol' Sparkly. Really, it doesn't sound like a healthy relationship.

But more importantly, I saw a "flee for Canada" button. How could I ever stay mad at that? It's just too cute!

PS: Hey, stupid California voters? Feel free to take a flying fucking leap off a fucking cliff, you fucking fuckheads.

Not fair TK, since almost half of us voted no on prop 8. The other half however... I'm with you.

Oh, for fuck's sake, Alexandra... I said "stupid California voters". Clearly, if you voted no, you are not fucking stupid.

And enough with the repeated bullshit about the large minority turnout, OK? It took a variety of assholes across ALL races to get the fucking thing passed. Don't waste my fucking time blaming blacks and Latinos. Last I checked, they ARE still a minority, which means that even if there's a large turnout, it's not like it's their fault and their fault only. Accept that white people, black people, Latinos and who-the-fuck-EVER are all responsible for it.

Check out this huge spider eating a bird:

*turns white*

Ohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgod...

One explanation for Prop 8 passing was the large turnout of Latino and African American voters. Only thing they hate more than the white man?
Teh Gheys.

Oooooooooooooooh, Scott... You don't wanna go there...

Again: Everybody needs to watch Star Trek VI.

"If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it".

Everyone's got something they're gonna have to get over.

I watched Boston Legal 9 times before I realized it wasn't a new Star Trek.

Actually, we talked it over and decided that any and all complaint correspondence should be forwarded to Sarina.

I apologize if it came off like I was scapegoating. I was trying to point out what I thought was an interesting, ironic factoid from the post-election data. Didn't realize it had already made the rounds so widely.

I would say that the momentum for gay marriage in California and particularly among younger voters may be cold comfort to some, but believe me, the "Yes on 8" voters should be much more discouraged. Their "victory" is short-lived (especially if seen in the light of Prop. 4, and measures on similar issues in other states). Their arguments are not persuasive and will, in time, lose.

In fact, at the moment, the only comfort I can see for opponents of gay marriage is that its advocates may overreach, either through the Supreme Court or by forcing the shut-down of schools or charities that will not comply with the state mandates, or both. That might energize the electorate in the other direction. But it is still not an argument.

I just have to say:

I cried a few years ago when my state passed one of those marriage amendments...and unlike in California, it passed by a huge margin. I live in the state with the highest percentage of McCain voters in the union (almost 70% y'all...I think they just write us off as voting Republican before the candidates have been selected), and we seriously just re-elected Sally Kern (if the name doesn't ring a bell, just do a quick search for her name on YouTube. Yeah), which also brought me to tears. I didn't vote for her, but I've got to live with her.

I'm actually a little encouraged by the Prop 8 margin being so small, but as was mentioned earlier, that's pretty cold comfort.

Anyway, I can't help but remember a woman I dated once (and only once, for assorted reasons). We were chatting on the phone once shortly before our first date, and the gay marriage issue came up, at which point she told me, "I don't think gays should have the right to get married." Mind you, this was a woman...dating other women...looking for a committed relationship. When I managed to repair the shattered pieces of my brain well enough to ask why, she said, "Because they'll just fuck it up."

Considering she ditched me on what would have been our second date to hang out with her ex, maybe it was just some serious projection. It was also the last date I've been on, even though that was coming on five years ago now, though I don't think the two are actually related.

Times like this, when some fucknugget is getting his ass handed to him for blaming brown folks for prop 8 passing, is when my overwhelming love for this place just gets reaffirmed.

Yeah. Direct all complaints to me. That'll work out well.

Glad we agree.

*cough*

I have no idea what you're talking about.

TK: First off, right on.

Second, get the fuck away from Felecia. I mean it. We already got a throwdown scheduled over Kat, and I can only spill your blood once.

Blacks, Latinos and Gay Marriage: While I do agree that such a simplistic breakdown is absurd, I think we should see it a different way. Thing is, while the "Yes on 8" folks were probably storming the churches and such, what kind of outreach was being done to minorities from the other side?

From what I saw, there weren't any high-profile, low-profile, or any-profile blacks or Latinos out there really pushing the ridiculousness of the ban to these people. And there is still a very harsh anti-homosexual vibe in a lot of minority-focused entertainment and culture. I can't say much for Californians, but around here, not too many of my neighbors approve of such things and could give half a crap about George Takei.

I am still amazed how these two minority groups still eagerly subscribe to the same belief system that advocated the systemic exploitation and subjugation of their ancestors. But then it should be clear as day now that the only people who can cling to their guns and religion more than Middle America is Inner-City America.

White Pajibans: As far as I am concerned, we're cool.

For now. *dun-dun-DUUUUNNNNNN!!!!*

Those Prop 8 ads were everywhere, too. On another site I frequent, people complained "how could you post those anti-gay ads!", and that site's owners said the same thing as Pajiba - we don't want them there, they are Google Ads, we are pro-equal rights. That part of the Google Ad's appeal - you advertise whatever and to the uninformed it looks like that site's opinion. It is probably why they chose that method. I think a lot of websites were looking like they were Pro-Prop 8 for a while there.

You know, I am a californyeean, and yeah, we suck right now. I voted No, donated money to No, put No signs in the front yard, and brought coffee to the No on 8 signholders. My county went 75% for No on 8.

Here's what makes me sad...a ton of the funding on 8 came from the churches. I guess churches have just oodles of money lying around so that they can fund political campaigns now...you know because things that Christ taught us to do, like take care of the poor, feed the hungry, that must all be taken care of. Now that the churches have solved war and world hunger, they have millions to pour into protecting their precious children from the gays.

I have news for you, church folks....a good percentage of your children are going to grow up gay. And you know what? Some day you are going to have to look them in the eye (if you haven't disowned them for LOVING SOMEONE) and say, sorry honey, you can't get married, I voted that down.

It just seems to me that Jesus hung out with the folks that the religious figures of his day felt were unholy and unclean. And he was, like, you know, the Son of God.

Oh and if you want to quote me bible verses about homosexuality being an abomination just remember so is:
-Eating Shrimp
-Wearing wool/cotton blend fabric
-Having a woman cook while she's on her "time"
-Wpmen showing their hair in public
-Cheeseburgers

I could go on but I have to go be mad in another room now.

Vermillion>> I know why he didn't do it, but I think just one very public statement from Obama could have gone a long way toward performing that outreach. In that respect, he has already disappointed me. He was on the record as opposing the amendment, and I highly doubt making his view clear would have thrown the election for him.

Matches>> That's true, and I'm you're "just sayin'." Still, I'd point out a couple caveats...

1) The African-American polling does not take into account the highly codependent variable of religiosity, which I believe is the factor that had as much as anything to do with the proposition's passage.

2) As alluded to above, white voters said "no" by a slim margin, but they still represent the plurality of the electorate and thus are responsible for most of the "yes" votes.

3) Looking at all those cnn.com statistics, the demographic category that was skewed the most in favor of the proposition was one of ideology. Those people identifying themselves as "conservative" approved it 85 to 15. No other demographic category was close, except for the similar labels of "Republican" and "white Republican," both 82 to 18 in favor of the proposition.

richmac>> Your words are sound, and your calm patience is admirable. I only have one quibble.

Should an opposing point of view, in the largest state in the union, be shouted down because it runs counter to the 'just' side, I think not.

If a point of view held by a majority opinion is deemed unconstitutional, then, yes, it is allowed to be "shouted down." We are a democracy, but first and foremost we are a republic. There are some precepts that are not governed by "majority rule," and this includes the protection of minority viewpoints, practices, etc. Whether gay marriage falls under that purview is for the courts to decide, but in my opinion it does.

If you time-traveled to the pre-Civil War South (or even the immediately post-Civil War South that had been readmitted to the Union, for that matter) and conducted a poll, do you think the majority opinion of certain issues would seem constitutional to us?

I still have a bitter taste in my mouth over Prop 8, but I'm in the process of converting pain into gentle numbness. The most ironic part of all of this was the fact that for years people having been saying that gay floks are destroying marriage, then they come in and pretty much destroy thousands of marriages.

Awesome.

Not to mention the legal black hole they've created. I mean really, they're are thousands of married couples who are now in a total state of legal purgatory here. Do you have any idea the level of fuck-uppery this will cause the California Legal system? Nice job asshats, not only have you destroyed marriage, but you also helped destroy California, not to mention a large section of the economy.

Wow within a span of minutes I was proud and then embarrassed to be Dutch. Proud about being the first country in the world to recognise gay marriage as equal to any other union, and kinda freaked out to hear about the whole pregnancy prevention plan. I guess I've been too busy being enthralled by your politics to pay attention to what's going on over here. Ah those crazy socialists...

Get over yourself, California. Arizona also passed a gay marriage ban, as did at least two other states this election cycle. Just be glad it only passed by a percentage point or two, I think prop. 102 here in AZ passed with something like 65% of the vote.

Then there's Colorado. Did anyone hear about that one? We were trying to define a person from the moment of conception. Guess what? That would make some forms of birth control homicide, and a miscarriage could be called involuntary manslaughter. Luckily it went down in flames on Tuesday, but why the fuck should I even have to vote on something like that?

P.S. I live in AZ but vote in CO, in case you were confused.

But to speak more positively, since this is about Love: higher prominence of Jennifer Granholm! A governor with glasses I can support!

Plus, while I might not prefer blonde, I really like shorter to short hair, and she's got a better cut and is a lot cuter than Pfotenhauer and not made of petrochemicals. Go Motown! I want to see some of that cool science I was talking about there too! And the Coffee Mate Pumpkin Spice is back!!!!

(oh, ohhhhhh, how you have failed, International Delight. You used to be something worth talking about, let alone ingesting. I don't care what flavor you claim to have these days, it's like a come-on for really crummy porn, and you won't fool me like that!)

Katy Perry has some nice cupcakes.

And a necklace, too.

It had to be said.

the_wakeful>> Get over ourselves? I'm glad someone is finally bitching about it and taking some action. Maybe it'll inspire people in other states to act similarly.

Regardless, the California amendment is distinct from the Arizona one (and all the other states I mentioned that have voted for bans) in that this was the first state where the vote actually runs contrary to existing marriages and the established legal right to marry. That gives the protest an additional justification and is part of the source of the extra noise. (The rest of the source is that we have so many crazy liberals - myself included - who will not go gentle into that good night.)

Glad y'all took care of that Colorado initiative. :- )

Ahh, just blame it on white men. It's good for what ails ya!

JAY! YOU BITE YOUR TONGUE! Granholm is a horrible woman! Have you seen our economy? Michigan blows because of her! The woman has moles and she is a HUGE bitch (I hear this from a neighbor of hers). In conclusion, the woman is Canadian and horrible.

Does Prop 8 passing suck balls?

Hell, yes!

But there's no doubt in my mind that the people of CA will vote in favor of gay marriage within the next decade.

8 years ago, the anti-gay marriage vote was 69% of the total.

Now it's 52%.

65% of voters under 30 voted NO on 8.

Like the tide, it cannot be stopped.

Maybe if TV Mom is what you're looking for... I really don't see the appeal over Palin. Although the Tina Fey Palin has merged with my idea of the real one so deeply that I can't really tell the difference anymore.

I'm not gay but have many friends who are and election night was bittersweet for my city (San Francisco) and we all wept...with pride and joy for Obama and with sadness and disappointment over Prop. 8. People tend to forget that California has it's own Bible Belt...the Central Valley, Orange County and, sadly, my hometown of San Diego.

"WTF, California?!" indeed. :(

Um, Optimus... Are you blaming the death of the Michigan economy of GRANHOLM?

Not, say, the utter myopia of the corporate assholes running the auto industry, who should have seen this coming about 15 years ago, like, say, the Canadians the Germans, the Japanese? Or perhaps the fascist BushCo, who left Michigan hanging out to dry -- and actually PUNISHED the state -- because it was bright blue and never did anything electorally for the Republicrats?

At any rate, I wouldn't worry about having Granholm to kick around much longer. I have a feeling she'll be sitting in a Cabinet seat soon.

Why aren't prop 8 Foes out protesting in fron of black churches? Over 70% of blacks voted for it. And yet about 95% voted for Obama. I love me some misguided protesters and voters!