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"TMZ claims to have obtained a copy but chose not to show it out of good taste."

WHAAAAAAT?! Out of "good taste"? TMfuckinZ? What, pray tell, does the diptarded debutante do debauchery-wise during dis display? I mean, TMZ won't show it? I'm gonna take this opportunity to kick open the flood gates... What exactly does the video contain?

Thoughts?

Can't we just get back to the good ol' days, when "fag" was used only for gay bashing or cigarettes? Hate speech was so much simpler then.

There's Tater in that chili? That's just wrong. Chili belongs IN Tater. Yum.

But not that chili. I think the dog ate that first.

-- T.B. Banks

I know someone who reads Hitman novelizations. "Sad loser" doesn't even begin to cover it.

I want to stamp a giant red sign on Ashlee Simpsons forehead that says "FAIL". So, she had the nose job, the baby, the failed show. What's she gonna try next to keep up her fame whoredom? She and Jessica gonna put out a sex tape? A divorce? I'm gonna start taking bets.

I'm also running bets on what the two youngest Kardashians (and oh I hate that I know there's two more) will try to get their 15 minutes. That whole family just seems to have taken the 15 Ways to Become a Fame Whore and distributed it amongst themselves. Let's see:

1) sex tape--check!
2) surprise pregnancy--check!
3) surprise wedding--check!
4) lesbian affair
5) rehab
6) DUI
7) fight in public
8) divorce from a famous person
9) racist statement
10) random arrest
11) murder of a famous person
12) date George Clooney
13) pose in Playboy

And I need two more.

AVB,
I am totally with you on "retard," but I also use "fag" in ways that have nothing to do with sexual orientation. But I don't go around yelling these words in public or putting any hate behind them. They are amongst the scores of words I use to safely diffuse frustration, anger and aggression. But I'm a dumb white honky so what would I know.

I watched the SP ep and I dont think they missed the point, in fact they raised it them selves within the ep. How ever I think they raised a good point...it's like, in the UK, Fag means cigarette...or used to, almost completely, mean cigarette, like 'I'm goin for a fag, i'm dying for a fag, has anyone got a light for my fag'
As a kid hearing the word didn't make me blink. Then suddenly I was exposed to american TV and fag became a bad word. But i've got gay friends who use fag to describe certain personalities of gay people...like, Queens, Queers, Homos, Gays and Fags, fags never being negative, just being like, trend, chav, goth, nerd, geek etc.
I think the episode makes a good point for the gay community reclaiming the word as well, in the episode the gay characters are initially shocked at the kids using the word fag until the learn the kids dont mean gays, but rather unpleasant people who's sexuality is a moot point.
If the word fag just means jerk, then calling a gay person a fag just means they're a jerk, not a negatively conotated gay person.
It's like gay and ghey. My bf and I often use ghey, with that spelling, to mean something is bad or negative, for example 'aah i burst a tyre on the way home from work, ghey'
It has nothing to do with homosexuality whatsoever and isn't said with any negative intention towards the gay community, and infact the spelling is intentionally intended to make the word seperate from Gay as in Homosexual.
Personally I think SP raised a great point, words change meaning with each new generation, sometimes in less than that, sometimes over a few months or scant few years.Obviously its how you say and who you say it to and the intention behind it but I think it's a good idea to change the meaning of the word. Like the article said, the word Fag used to mean a bundle of sticks. Then it was a slur for gays. Now it means jerks. Doesn't that reasoning, that once it was a gay slur, now it means jerk, mean that bundles of sticks should be upset to be insulted? that cigarettes should? That the elderly should go HEY! Dont use that word!

I'd personally never use the word fag to insult a gay person, just like I'd never use the n*word to insult a black person, but I DO agree that the words meanings change and become...if not acceptable(though sometimes they do) in daily lexicon, then at least wildly felt to have a new meaning. It's probably a good thing, yeah the word is being re-classified to mean a douchebag, but it's a start.
It's worth, I think, googling the words 'Reclaiming Paki', it's an article about a london born pakistani clothing designer who called his line Paki, to reclaim the (quite british) insult against asian people 'Paki' (an umbrella term meaning anyone brown who isnt black!)
it's along the same lines of giving the word new meaning and context and taking the sting out of it.
Jesus, lecture done, sorry

I've actually nearly trained myself out of it, MelBiv, since I started working for a non-profit that assists the developmentally disabled. As I said, I grew up in the 70s, and it was more "socially acceptable" then, I suppose, or at least used more widely. I seem to recall my mom telling me it was really not nice, and I really didn't use it at all when I was a kid; it's actually a more recent development. Weird. I don't even know how it happened!

Hell, I'm old enough to remember when "gay" only meant happy, cheerful, carefree. Like from my childhood during "The Gay '90s."

That Charlie compilation video loses credibility by not including the USA song, and at least one McPoyle run-in.

ROCK, FLAG, AND EAAAAGGGGLLLLLEEEE!!

You know why Nic Cage is broke? Not because he buys castles and islands (he does) but because he doesn't pay taxes so he owes the IRS back taxes plus interest. And don't think for a second that the old "my accountant never told me" line is true. As a self-employed person who doesn't have a paycheck with regular deductions, believe me, you never rely on the accountant. You make damn sure those quarterly payments are made. Here's a clue: if a lot of money is coming in but you don't see any of it disappearing into the IRS coffers, then you're probabbly not paying your taxes. Pay up like the rest of us asshole. I am so sick of people who think they can get away with this crap.

I'd personally never use the word fag to insult a gay person, just like I'd never use the n*word to insult a black person

Nadine,
Do you ever use "nigger" to insult non-black people? "Fag" when used as an insult means basically that you have undesirable traits, and since homosexuality is an undesirable trait I will call you that, because everyone knows that is undesirable. What if we started using "nigger" to mean lazy, ignorant, and just stupid in general? You know, all the negative stereotypes that implies when applied to black people. But, we won't call black people that, only non-black people. Certainly black people wouldn't get angry about that, would they? Hell, we'd be doing them a favor! Attention black people: that means lazy and stupid in general now, not just lazy, stupid black people. You're welcome, guys.

I mean, either that, or we could just stop using words like "gay" and "fag" to be blanket terms for undesirable traits.

That Charlie compilation video loses credibility by not including the USA song, and at least one McPoyle run-in.

ROCK, FLAG, AND EAAAAGGGGLLLLLEEEE!!

My thoughts exactly, D-Day! I sat through 7 minutes without hearing Charlie go patriotic! Now I have to go youtube it.

Pissant, I'm not trying to get into a fight here, that's just how I see it. I'm not saying I call ANYONE a fag, I genuinely dont because it's simply not a word that I use, to me fag still means cigarette!
And yeah you make a good point, for the meaning of a word to change from one negative meaning to another negative meaning isn't exactly progress, how ever, for the meaning to change from abusing one group of people to abusing everyone, surely that could be considered...something.
And i dont use the Nword at all, it disgusts me as a whole.

Seriously, I dont want to get into a fight over this Pissant, that IS how I see it. I suppose it's because in the UK, Fag simply isn't as prominent an insult to homosexuals. I honestly have never heard a british person call a gay person a fag. Maybe a queer, maybe a puff, but fagat least in my part of the UK, doesn't have the same meaning.
As I said, I have gay friend's who use it lightly to address other gay people.
Obviously this is sort of part of it. It's the individual meaning the word has to people. To me, fag doesn't mean gay people. It just doesn't. It means cigarette. I find cigarettes undesirable. To me when the word fag is used I do not immediately go to the 'gay insult!!!' place, I honestly just think of nasty smelling cigarettes.

I'm not apologising for that. I wont apologise for my part of the world giving different meaning to different words.

And, no, you missed my point. I'm saying currently, In the US, the word fag means homosexuals. To call someone a fag means to negatively dress down a homosexual person BECAUSE they are a homsexual. What I'm saying is that for the word to go from meaning 'ew you horrible GAY person' to just 'ew you horrible person' (to simplify), isn't the biggest leap forwards, but iti takes sexual preference out of the equation

Nadine,
Sorry, I suppose I was more projecting the argument from the creators of South Park. I understand words have different meanings in different countries and that "fag" is not generally used as an hateful term in the UK.

What I'm saying is that for the word to go from meaning 'ew you horrible GAY person' to just 'ew you horrible person' (to simplify), isn't the biggest leap forwards, but iti takes sexual preference out of the equation

But it doesn't take sexual preference out in the least. Calling a known heterosexual a fag doesn't just mean "you are a horrible person". It means "a fag is a horrible person, and you are a fag". Just because people have gotten comfortable with it doesn't change that. It's dangerous specifically because people have gotten so comfortable with it. Using it in that way implies that homosexuality is shameful, and that that(being gay) is so obvious it needs no explanation.

The kernel of this discussion seems to revolve around a misunderstanding about language differences between the U.S and the U.k.

"Fag" when i hear it has an immediate association with cigarette. I know there's all the talk about the changing of words over time etc and so forth but that pretty much moot because that's not what this is about. It just seems to be a simple issue of a word having different meanings in two different places.
I knew the word "fag" as a slang term for a cigarette before i knew it as a derogatory phrase for someone who is gay. So i'm not using it in any kind of negativ way.

It's part of the British lexicon. Let American's take care of mangling the English language in their country

'Color', Yeah, that U was causing all kinds of problems in there.

Pissant...we're not allowed to talk about maximize. A law was passed...there where...incidents.

DONT MAKE ME TELL YOU! I CANT BEAR THE MEMORIES!!

Like the epithet "asshole" myself -- it's only pejorative to, you know, assholes.

This fag issue brought up in the SP ep and here on this forum makes me think of a recent happening here in Canada: Mr. Sub recently fired their ad agency for creating an online ad that depicted a middle-aged man coming out to his wife and eight children. "I'm gay!" he tells them smarmily, at the dinner table. His daughter looks at him dubiously. "As in, gay-gay?" she asks. "As in Super Gay!" he assures her, ruffling her hair.

I have no idea how this is supposed to sell sub sandwiches., but it's was, in tone, clearly intended to be a funny, light-hearted spot, with the tag line "Nobody likes surprises". It was one ad among many and none of the other ads brought up this issue.

Many members of the gay community freaked, complained to Mr. Sub and this ended in the firing of the ad agency, Bos. Bos issued a statement saying they never intended to offend anyone - my interpretation of their reasoning is that being made fun of is something that is okay if you're a part of the mainstream. Being gay is now mainstream, thus the gay community must take their share of non-maliciously intended teasing.

Point for this argument: there are countless "funny" ads depicting women in a derogatory manner and there ain't shit I can do about that, other than not buy the product.

Point against this argument: you'd never dare try this sort of thing using minorities or a religious group, so what does that say?

I don't know how I feel about this other than to say that the outright firing of Bos, if it was supposed to be a public relations gesture missed it's mark. Someone at Mr. Sub had to sign off on that ad. Firing your agency just makes you look like a buck-passing dick. I will henceforth eat at Subway.

How about the word 'Fanny' for a BIG difference between the UK and the US.
That one always cracks me up.

Right Big Daddy, you strike me as a Perry Mason man anyway.
No?

Wanna make that Ensure Irish? Viagra chaser? That ought to put rosy glow on something.

I'm not sure 'saddlecheeks' is a very endearing term. Accurate, perhaps, but not flattering. I thought we agreed to keep private little details like that to ourselves.

Lindsey, do you think it will blow their minds to learn that Fanny is oft times used as a NAME in the UK? Not so much these days but It was HELLA common back in the day. So it means VAGINA, ASS, and is a name for some women, depending where you be at yo.

We visit tenerife a lot...there's a local shop there.
Called;

Fannies.

PRONOUNCED FAY KNEES. But Still. Seeing it written down for the first time after learning what the word meant, just about KILLED ME. Everytime we take people who've never been, reactions differ from out loud shouting and pointing, to the funnier quiet tittering and a whispered 'that shop is called vagina!'

Stacey,

If you haven't seen the episode yet, then how can you decide to agree with the article or not? Please, watch the episode and then form an opinion about it.

Having seen the episode - and read the article - I think the episode was way more 'eloquent' than the review. And it was frickin hilarious, too.

How did they have a Charlie montage and not put the episode where he works in the mailroom and goes balls-out crazy?!