Just a quick note about PajiBacon East: If anyone still hasn’t gotten the itinerary, either send me an email or show up at Sugar Mom’s at Church & 3rd tonight around 8ish! Out-of-towners are most likely coming to the realization that it is not, in fact, always sunny in Philadelphia. Looking forward to meeting you all!
NBC’s Vice President of Alternative Programming said that Heidi and Spencer are “everything that’s wrong with America.” It’s about time someone finally noticed that. (Webster’s)
Those assholes at Pixar have been getting a good rap for far too long and it’s about time someone knocks them off their pedestal. So where’s all the strong female lead characters at? Huh?? (Film School Rejects)
Because I know you want to know what Dustin Diamond had for breakfast this morning, here are ten former child stars who twitter. (iBored)
This is hands down the best story you’ll read about Kate Winslet’s vadge all day. (Film Drunk)
True story, I was getting my hair done the other day and my stylist suggested something similar to Kate Gosselin’s stupid reverse mullet and I almost punched her in the face. Anyway, here’s what celebrities would look like with Kate Gosslin’s hairstyle. Thanks, Kolby! (Buzzfeed)
What’s your favorite and least favorite movie time machines? Here’s a handy chart of the best and worst. The Delorian always wins. (Screen Junkies)
Here’s a recession-worthy guide on how to live on $10 a week and not be fat. Unfortunately for me that goes the hell out the window when I get hungry for sushi and remember there’s a sushi bar five blocks away from my house. (Shieldship)
Jane Krakowski talks about behind-the-scenes stuff on “30 Rock.” (Celebitchy)
Here are seven foods to eat when you’re stoned, because it seems almost unfathomable to eat most of this crap when you’re not stoned. (Holy Taco)
Francis Ford Coppola finds the idea that there could have been more Godfather movies ridiculous. On one hand, it would be interesting to explore more of the Tom Hagen character; on the other hand, well, Godfather III. Sorry, Bedhead. (Agent Bedhead)
Are you kidding me?? Sylvester Stallone has a line of pudding out? I don’t know why, but that’s like the funniest thing I have ever heard. (mental floss)
Oh hey, and if anyone is going to be around 2:00 (CDT) on Sunday afternoon, check out regular commenter Spender’s radio show featuring stuff like Metric and The Thermals! (Eggradio)
Since stupid sitcoms always feature the schlubby husband/hot wife dynamic, here’s an idea for something just a bit more feminist leaning:
Pajiba Love brought to you by Stacey Nosek, who can be reached via email here.
Some of the comments on the Kate Winslet's vajajay link are pretty funny!
Posted by: Tarn at June 5, 2009 1:20 PM
Accusing Pixar of sexism is stupid. For a Mr.Incredible there is a Mrs.Incredible. For a male car there is a female car. Wall-E is lonely without a female and the looming character in Up is the old man's dead wife. Ratatouille has both male and female characters... the list goes on.
If you want you can see sexism, racism etc in anything. There's a white, so why not a black, and an Asian. There's a man. Put in a woman too. And a gay and a transexual for good measure.The way this fight is fougt puts me off. Let's put a woman in there. Not because I have this great idea, or because she's great at this particular thing. Just not to be sexist. Trying to balance everything to a tee is self-defeating.
Posted by: barf at June 5, 2009 1:24 PM
It sucks that some of you will be close enough to me to meet this weekend and I can't do it (got the mom thing happening, dance recital, you know). I'll send good party thoughts up 95 to you. With traffic, they should get there next week sometime.
Posted by: slower lower at June 5, 2009 1:25 PM
"This is President Merkin Muffley at the Pentagon..."
I would totally eat those foods when not high. I like unhealthy foods. Well, apart from the Gatorade. I'll switch that with Red Bull or Cocaine (the energy drink)
Posted by: barf at June 5, 2009 1:36 PM
I wonder if Pixar waxes. Their films sure are clean and streamlined. As for Winslet, I always thought of her as a "let it grow" kind of girl. I guess that's pie in my face! (And by pie I mean vagina)
Posted by: Kballs at June 5, 2009 1:44 PM
Thanks.
That Kate Gosselin thing has ruined my day. After reading your little blurb and clicking on the link (which is blocked by work because it's "streaming media") I was wondering to myself, "Self, you have a lot of work to do, but you're really bored and it's Friday, so I think you should find out what the hell a reverse mullet looks like."
So, I google "Kate Gosselin", see the pictures (you really should have punched her in the face).
So, then I get curious and wonder, "Who the hell is Kate Gosselin?" So, the Google tells me it's the woman from "John and Kate Plus 8."
I knew such people existed and they had a show and the dude apparently was cheating on Kate, but they were never really part of my existence. They were more like fairy tales, like gremlins, leprachauns, unicorns, and eskimos. Now they have a face. Now they are real.
Thanks.
Posted by: Forbiddendonut at June 5, 2009 1:46 PM
Ich bin ein furliner?
Posted by: J Stride at June 5, 2009 1:50 PM
[shun]
Posted by: Kolby at June 5, 2009 1:52 PM
:(
Posted by: J Stride at June 5, 2009 1:53 PM
[unshun]
Rambo pudding! Tastes like gunpowder and angry man sweat! Yum!
I don't think Pixar is sexist, but I agree with Holmes' main point - we've seen movie after movie with a male protagonist, how about one with a female protagonist? Make a girl the lead, and put the boys in as the sidekicks!
I'm not gonna criticize them for making a princess movie without seeing it first. Perhaps they'll have a refreshing take on a well-worn story idea.
Posted by: Melissa at June 5, 2009 1:59 PM
Is every website stealing the "Put Kate's Hair onto Celebrities" idea from Oh No They Didn't?
Posted by: Claire at June 5, 2009 2:00 PM
That vag wig story is one of the funniest goddamn things I have read all week. I've been sitting here trying to get my laugh crying under control for 5 minutes. I am TOTALLY yelling that at the weekend screening of "UP".
Ha. It wasn't just the idea of future Godfather sequels that Coppola found hilarious. He said that both already existing sequels, Parts II and III, were unnecessary and ridiculous.
Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at June 5, 2009 2:07 PM
Rambo pudding! Tastes like gunpowder and angry man sweat! Yum!
It's over the top delicious!
Posted by: branded at June 5, 2009 2:11 PM
Perhaps if Coppola feels so strongly against the existence of Part II and III, he should return his paychecks. And stop reissuing "Coppola Remastered" DVD boxsets during the holiday season.
What a prick.
And I don't want any more film sequels, obviously. I was just saying that Coppola is full of shit when he said the entire Corleone story was finished after one novel and one film.
That cartoon made me incredibly depressed and happy at the same time. It also made me want frosting....
I endorse the punching of "beaver head gosselin." I actually want to punch her in her lady junk as payback for her litter-making, but I'm afraid I'd go in up to the elbow.
Posted by: tf breakher at June 5, 2009 2:24 PM
I didn't realize what the name Kate Gosselin meant either until I clicked the link.
I think the ladies in the library where I worked as a teenager had hairstyles like that, except their hair was crimped and gelled to within an inch of their lives. This was in 1992, too, so there's that.
Also, it could be that I am hormonal, but that photo of Kanye was hot. I love his outfit. And I say this in all seriousness.
Posted by: Stella at June 5, 2009 2:42 PM
Did Linda Holmes see a different cut of Up than me? Because in the version I saw, Carl's wife is the driving force of the entire movie. It is her outgoing spirit that Carl fall ins love with, her dreams that guide their marriage, and her death that moves everything Carl does in the film. For Godtopus' sake, he constantly refers to his house as "Ellie!"
Should the animators have slapped a pair of tits on EVE when they made WALL-E in order to appease Linda Holmes? Because if memory serves, and it does, EVE is the stronger, more active, of the two main characters. Again, she and her actions drive the entire film - she inspires WALL-E into acts of heroism because of his love for her. Or does WALL-E not count because it features robots, a generally asexual, unfeeling lot?
The fact is, while the Pixar films may not "star" a female (rooooooooooooooolls eyes), the women in a Pixar film are fully realized, just as strong (or stronger) than their male counterparts, and easily as important. Linda Holmes is an asshole. You know I call her an asshole? Because it's non-sexist - everyone has one.
Posted by: David at June 5, 2009 2:59 PM
So where’s all the strong female lead characters at?
Elastigirl is the hero of The Incredibles. She's the voice of reason and the intellectual center of the film, and she rescues Mr. Incredible from the fortress. It was one of the most loving depictions of an animated female character I've seen.
Plus, criticizing Pixar is just kind of silly. Yeah, let's strain to find something negative to say about of the few reliable producers of high-quality films.
Posted by: socalledonlycousins at June 5, 2009 3:18 PM
OK, I googled them too. And Jon of Jon-and-Kate isn't bad looking for a 'burb dad. I'd give him a blow-and-go in the garage.
Posted by: Drake at June 5, 2009 4:14 PM
The Pixar and sexism debate raises a good point about writing and gender. Generally a character is only made female if she's a mother or someone's love interest. I'm not picking on Pixar, this seems to be standard across movies, tv, and novels. Whenever a character's gender doesn't matter (as in goofy sidekicks, kids, talking pets, and others who don't get to fall in love) they tend to be written as males. Where Pixar really deserves credit is with Dory. She was a first, a female sidekick who is neither love interest or wet blanket. We need more Dorys; girls who get to have fun without having to be a moral compass or end up marrying Mr. Hero Guy.
Posted by: Inaras at June 5, 2009 4:18 PM
Man, that YouTube clip was a great example of someone having a good, funny idea and not landing the execution. Yikes.
Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at June 5, 2009 4:27 PM
Stacy, there was just a post up on feministing a few days ago about the Pixar thing:
Feministing... not as hot as it sounds. I shall go back to being shunned now.
Posted by: J Stride at June 5, 2009 5:16 PM
I guess the rest of us just aren't cool enough for the Amish kids. I bet they look hot in the bonnets, though.
Posted by: slower lower at June 5, 2009 5:24 PM
So glad that this NBC guy noticed the Fucktard Twins were horrible people only AFTER he put them on TV. Your right to bitch about something is in direct/oppossite proportion to how much of a role you had in bringing it about; ie, if you're responsible for putting people who have been widely acknowledged as assholes on TV, you really don't get to bitch about what assholes they are.
So fuck you right in the ear, NBC Vice President of alternate programming Paul Telegdy, YOU'RE everything that's wrong with America today, you douchebag. Heidi and Spencer wouldn't be on TV if it wasn't for idiots like you.
RE Melissa: "I don't think Pixar is sexist, but I agree with Holmes' main point - we've seen movie after movie with a male protagonist, how about one with a female protagonist? Make a girl the lead, and put the boys in as the sidekicks!"
Girls will go to see movies with male protagonists, but the opposite isn't true. Same thing with toys. Many girls will play with "boy toys" (trucks, video games, etc.), but the opposite is rarely true.
Posted by: Slash at June 5, 2009 5:38 PM
J Stride, the shunning is only directed at those attending Bacon East (mostly because our jealousy burns like a bad UTI).
Unless...*narrows eyes*...you plan on going.
[Re-shun]
Posted by: branded at June 5, 2009 5:40 PM
A couple of gallons of cranberry juice will clear that right up.
Posted by: slower lower at June 5, 2009 5:56 PM
Girls will go to see movies with male protagonists, but the opposite isn't true. Same thing with toys. Many girls will play with "boy toys" (trucks, video games, etc.), but the opposite is rarely true.
I can honestly say I had never thought of that. It holds some merit, which kind of disturbs me. I know it would have no affect on what movie I would go to, but I'm not John Smith the Average American Man.
"Whenever a character's gender doesn't matter (as in goofy sidekicks, kids, talking pets, and others who don't get to fall in love) they tend to be written as males."
One place this bit me in the butt (and go away right now, geek-haters) is when I used to do pen'n'paper roleplaying games. We were all young and unexperienced, so our characters usually copied personalities from movies/tv that we already knew.
A pattern I started noticing after a while is that the most entertainment characters (the ones that really made the adventures memorable) were always male characters - whether played by males or females. And the female heroes were always, well, boring caricatures of the Perfect Woman (beautiful, smart, brave, etc). None of them had a thick scottish accent. None of them was a klepto who kept switching the side she wore her eyepatch on. None of them did stupid shit that had us wheezing with laughter. It's as if none of us knew how to play a female who was quirky or funny or oddball...we just didn't have a frame of reference.
Nowadays I'd have more to pull from. Not sure if that's because the stories have gotten better, or because all the interesting/goofy/weird women characters are reserved for the thicker books with the smaller print (or the movies with the bigger words, however you want to spin it).
Anyhow, yeah, I'd like to see Pixar have a female lead who isn't a princess. Hate the princess thing. Lots. But still, they make good flicks, and they don't feel sexist, so no hard feelings against them from me.
Posted by: Foxeye at June 5, 2009 6:03 PM
@Slash - Like Snath said, that's something I didn't consider. If, however, you were to put a female character in a stereotypically male role - say, a little girl who builds robots, or is a space explorer, etc - do you think that would change anything? Or would boys still be inclined to avoid the film?
Posted by: Melissa at June 5, 2009 6:14 PM
Bacon East will be awesome! I am so looking forward to listening to rocking music and hanging with the Pajiba crew!
But Stace, Tardis will always beat the Delorian. Just saying...
Oh, and did I mention, Pajibacon '09 is going down in less than twenty four hours!
“EXCUSE ME, THIS DYSLEXIC NAZI’S PUSSY ISN’T HAIRY ENOUGH!”
hahaha
Posted by: Mick J at June 5, 2009 6:51 PM
Bacon East will be awesome! I am so looking forward to listening to rocking music and hanging with the Pajiba crew!
But Stace, Tardis will always beat the Delorian. Just saying...
Oh, and did I mention, Pajibacon '09 is going down in less than twenty four hours!
Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at June 5, 2009 6:36 PM
__________________________________________
[Shunning, as are branded, Figgy and Kolby]
[UN-Shunning]
Dammit, why can't we ALL be there?
*wipes stinging tears from eyes...*
Why, Godtopus, why?
RE Snath: "I can honestly say I had never thought of that. It holds some merit, which kind of disturbs me. I know it would have no affect on what movie I would go to, but I'm not John Smith the Average American Man."
It doesn't just hold merit, it is fact. Marketing fact, that is. Some "boys" toys/movies/TV shows/video games/websites will get sales from females, but the opposite is generally not true. Girls will go to see "Transformers" (and when I say "girls," I'm talking preteens and teens), but few boys are going to willingly pay money to see "The Hannah Montana Movie." In America, anyway. Maybe toys/TV shows/movies aren't so strictly gender-specific elsewhere in the world, but here, they are. You can blame marketers and toy makers if you want (and they certainly have some responsibility), but they're just going where the money is. I'm guessing that the powers that be at Disney are happy to greenlight a boy-character-centric Pixar movie, but maybe don't want to risk as much money on one featuring a girl character (as the main character), at least not as often.
The top 10 highest-grossing animated films to date (per Amazon):
Finding Nemo
The Lion King
Shrek
Monsters, Inc.
Toy Story 2
Aladdin
Toy Story
Snow White
Ice Age
Beauty and the Beast
Pocohontas is #16, Mulan is #18, Little Mermaid is #19
So "girl" movies sell, they just don't sell as well.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure that the highest-grossing pornos of all time feature a female protagonist.
Posted by: Slash at June 5, 2009 7:14 PM
RE Melissa "Like Snath said, that's something I didn't consider. If, however, you were to put a female character in a stereotypically male role - say, a little girl who builds robots, or is a space explorer, etc - do you think that would change anything? Or would boys still be inclined to avoid the film?"
I have no idea what the viewership numbers are (ie, by gender) on "Beauty and the Beast" vs. "Toy Story." I imagine they're kinda lopsided on the "girl" movie (ie, more girls than boys). I'd Google it now, but I gotta go home. Maybe later, at home. As for a female character in a traditionally male role, I have no idea. I can't think of one right off the top of my head.
I don't work in movies, I work in advertising. Back when we had a toy client, we did tons of research regarding gender preferences, etc. Yes, the data are kinda depressing.
Posted by: Slash at June 5, 2009 7:20 PM
i was hoping the "put kate's hair on random celebs" meme somehow had to do with the Winslet Nazi-Merkin and not that other twat.
Posted by: lennyx at June 5, 2009 7:49 PM
So...ermmm... thanks, Stacey, for the eggradio.com plug in today's Pajiber-Lurve.
It's really an okay place, if any of you high-toned cosmopolitan types wanna visit, someday.
Snark is mildly encouraged there... if it's not TOO snarky.
Bacon East will be awesome! I am so looking forward to listening to rocking music and hanging with the Pajiba crew!
Shut your catbox! There are mad jealous people here who can't go, and are really looking forward to spending the weekend on the computer commiserating about it! Take your joy far, far away.
FARTHER.
FARTHER. I can still smell the joy.
Posted by: Lauren at June 5, 2009 11:06 PM
[In Full Shun Mode... I forgot to set phasers for SHUN! Dammit. I am doomed to wear the red uniform forever! Anyway, I meant to post only to fellow Shunners. Now the Happy Bastard know of my evil plans... damn the luck.]
[Lauren in Unshun Tractor Beam]
Jeebus, Lauren, is that what I'm smelling?
Thought it was leftover DR "RR's Abs Love" pheromones. Damned arty types.
[Releasing Lauren from Unshun Tractor Beam]
Okay I gotta disagree with the "boys don't want girl movies/toys" assessment. As a former boy (and according to some, still am), I can assure you of one thing: boys and girls will play with whatever they feel is fun. Whether it be trucks or dolls or maybe borrowing their sister's dress and a broken broom handle to play a wizard in long flowing robes (ahem....).
If we have to point fingers at anybody, try the parents that insist on reinforcing gender stereotypes. that makes more sense, since they are often the ones making the actual purchases. As far as movies, it has long been established that films with female protagonists do poorer with male audiences than those with male ones, especially action films (namely Tomb Raider and Resident Evil). So why wouldn't that extend to the choices for kiddie fare as well?
[Shun Undone For Specified Pajibans]
As a boy with FOUR sisters, (and as one always enamored of their friends) I sat through my share of tea parties, playing the "Ken Part" when the Barbie sessions started (though I always wished for the "Ken Park" sessions) and dealing with all of the drama tht al four sisters endured in their dating lives. I played with "stupid girl toys" and accompanied my sisters to many a "girl movie" after a harsh breakup (always keeping tissues handy to wipe away tears and... well, snot).
God bless 'em. I'm glad I did. I feel better about myself for having learned all of that stuff.
I love a lot of girly stuff... but it doesn't make me lust any less for Figgy or AvB or Maryscott or Genny or...
Does that put me in the "Sensitive Jerk" category?
[Shun Redone]
I am going out for sushi. I will continue shunning the unspeakables while I am gone. In fact, I might make a badge that says "I SHUN THEE YET", so I don't forget.
Hey, that rhymed! I'm full of skills.
SHUN.
Posted by: Lauren at June 5, 2009 11:51 PM
[Shun Decloaked]
Oh, dear Lauren... bring back Sushi for all and we will all marry. Seriously. I'm fond of Narezushi but wrap some star-kist in kelp and I'll devour it.
{Shun Re-cloaked, Attempting To Regain Dignity]
Hm, Verm, do more boy childrens go to movies than girl childrens?
Actually I meant that the adults might choose the kiddie fare for their children due to their own views on gender, and not really on what would entertain the child. My point was that kids are much easier to please than adults, yet adults are the ones picking stuff for their kids. Just giving the rugrats the benefit of a doubt.
AvB, it's like we share a brain! A wine-soaked, slightly used brain (which, *Tangent* I kept typing as brian and that made me think of My So-Called Life and how Jordan Catalano called Brian Krakow "Brain" and how Jared Leto used to be dreamy before he became a weird 40 year-old, emo, tiny, skinny, petite man in a band. The End. *End Tangent*. I had the same thought as to whether or not boys attend the movies as frequently as girls.
So yeah, I just typed out a whole paragraph with multiple html tags just to essentially say, "me too". Who's a winner? LAINEY is!
Vermillion, I agree that by no means do all kids avoid the trappings of the other gender, but after six well-meaning years of quietly providing gender neutral toys, providing babies, clothes for dress up and other 'food-game' types of toys for my son - no dice. No amount of proactive/benign encouragement along those lines affected his dislike for 'girlie stuff', and he's still a very sensitive, gentle, emotional guy. He really seemed the type to play with dolls, etc so I was pretty confused.
He's interested in cooking - but that's because he sees his dad doing it. He isn't into sports at all - same with dad. In fact - I think that's the big clue here...and something I've recently heard being referenced - that children are really 'modeling' themselves after people in their lives, and in the media. And what their parents do (or do not) makes a huge difference. My daughter is completely insane, so that grants the concept some weight right there.
Oh, and SHUNT!*
(*a shun with a pushing motion)
Posted by: replica at June 6, 2009 3:33 AM
Replica is right. The problem I have is that we may have the best of intentions, I fight everyday against the wave of stereotypes, but as they age our children are influenced by more and more people everyday. A childs decisions, opinions, and personalities are shaped by more than just parents, grandparents, etc. I don't mind my children having differing opinions from my own, but when my son tells me that dolls are for girls 'cause thats what so n' so's mom said (not a true story, just an example), I get a little testy because there are still too many narrow minded people out there with access to the malleable minds of todays youth.
The biggest issue in all of this, of course, is the commercial advertising, which goes out of its way to reinforce gender stereotypes and inundates every person of every age every day.
I'm fairly certain advertising is the root of all evil, aka The Devil.
The biggest issue in all of this, of course, is the commercial advertising, which goes out of its way to reinforce gender stereotypes and inundates every person of every age every day.
Hasbro's Rose Pettle Cottage comes with stove, cleaning supplies, and soul crippling neuroticism. Everything you see here will be dirty until you divorce your Hasbo's My Alcoholic Husband. Batteries not included.
As an advertiser, I'd like defend that there are a few of us who don't gender stereotype.
Posted by: J Stride at June 6, 2009 3:45 PM
*I'd like to defend
Posted by: J Stride at June 6, 2009 3:56 PM
I have a girl crush on Paula Deen, but I think it's just that I want her to be my Meemaw.
Also, Coppola? Godfather II was awesome, man, SHUT UP.
Those seven foods that are great to eat stoned? One of my biggest regrets in life is that out of all the maybe two dozen times I got stoned in my late teens, I never ate anything and I never had sex while stoned. I hear both can be amazing. Dammit. (Oh, you want to know what I DID do? Listened to Pink Floyd--in person and on cassette tape--and stared off into space. And got scared the cat would get high. Then fell asleep.)
But I make up for the regret of not having ever tried LSD by watching Adult Swim until I can't hold my eyes open any longer. That Eric and Tim show will really mess you up.
Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at June 6, 2009 4:44 PM
Oh also? Jane Krakowski is really underrated. And hot. Really hot.
Unfortunately many stereotypes are things we are going to have to live with all our lives. How many men who bitch about these stereotypes would have the guts to wear more 'feminine' clothing? Society has cruelly made wearing anything soft and flowing for men virtually impossible, let alone a skirt. If you do you'll be labelled a transvestite with all sorts of connotations. How many of the women here would dare go out without having their legs shaved? How many of those of you have children are guilty of buying everything in pink for the girls and blue for the boys? (interestingly do you know before the world war blue was considered a feminine colour and pink masculine? Blue was the colour of the virgin mary and pink was a colour similar to red and therefore symbolises blood and courage. Barbie made sure that pink was considered a completely different olour to red). Did you reject the children receiving any presents which are gender specific? Did you regulate T.V viewing to keep them away from the stereotypes? The stereotype bombardment is so constant people find it extremely hard to fight it.
I remember when I first told my girlfriend I like feminine clothing (and I'm in touch with my feminine side in general) she COMPLETELY FREAKED OUT like I had told her I suffer from AIDS after months of unprotected sex. I didn't tell her I'm going to wear it in public. Just that I liked the look and feel and I wouldn't mind wearing it in private for some fun. It was still enough to freak her out. This is the sad reality. Stereotypes are extremely hard to break. At least women are slightly better off. They fought hard for the right to wear trousers and it is now accepted. If you organise something with a skirt dress cosde for the ladies everyone will call you sexist. Men don't have the freedom to choose because they did not fight for it. No one will label you sexist if you ask men to wear trousers. Women fought hard to have different professions. Men did not fight hard to be house husbands. Men who stay at home are therefore labelled sissys. I could go on forever. There are loads of examples. Breaking a stereotype remains dangerous ground for both males and females. If we want true and real equality there is still a long, long, long way to go.
Many women still act like they want their men to be protectors but men have to be careful because they can soon be labelled sexist if they try too hard. Men are still expected to be the ones to ask a lady out, and to pay for the dinner, and to walk into the restaurant behind the woman and to be the one to propose getting married. Women are still expected to do most of the housework and to take care of the children and are still expected to take up 'feminine' jobs The pitfalls are enormous. This is a depressing subject which makes my blood boil. Gender equality my ass.
At least many of you people, like me, if not challenge the steroeotypes completely because sometimes you have no other option question and discuss it, which is a good start.
Posted by: barf at June 7, 2009 7:58 AM
Mind you, not that the women fought for being more male because they wanted to be gender neutral. They just wanted to be more like men because they thought men were better off. Men thought they were better off too so they never tried to be more like women. And it has always been thus. And society still hasn't found a way to balance genders out even though life would be so much better if we both took from each other ALL that the other gender had. Sad but true
Posted by: barf at June 7, 2009 8:57 AM
Posted by: barf at June 7, 2009 8:57 AM
Two things: this whole idea of gender specific clothing and colors is a) fairly recent, like in the 1950s, and b) mostly contained in the Western world, and not even the entirety of that.
I am sure many a Scotsman or priest will question the assessment that skirts or long flowing garments are not manly, especially the former. And several Eastern lands would laugh at the idea that pink is only for girls, while blue is only for boys. Hell, thanks to the dayglo 80s and pimp culture (sorry I know you hate the reference, but it is true), pink is even less likely to be assumed as girly. Nowadays, pink is associated more with the homosexual community if anything else, and still, that is mostly here in the Americas.
Not that I am disagreeing with your general sentiment. If fact it reminds me of my favorite definition of "fairness": when you end up with all the stuff you started with, plus 50% of the other guy's stuff.
Seriously, whenever anyone talks about a "hairy vagina" or a "tattooed vagina", it makes me sad that NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING about female genitalia!
Really. Look it up.
Posted by: n. wood at June 7, 2009 6:56 PM
barf I consider Eddie Izzard to be one of the sexiest men in the world and he's a straight transvestite. I would do him so hard he'd be cross-eyed. And in his gear, too, nail polish and all. God, he's hot.
n.wood THANK YOU. It's a VULVA. If your vagina is hairy, you have a problem. I was talking to this woman I know and she was bitching about this other woman in the grocery store wearing spandex, which normally, I feel ya on that, I mean I go out looking homeless but NEVER in straight-up spandex.
Anyway, she said "I mean, I could SEE HER VAGINA!"
I was like "WHAT? How is that even possible? She was fully clothed and you could see her vagina?"
YEs, she said. YES. I could SEE THE TOTAL OUTLINE OF IT.
Girlfriend. You mean camel toe. And that's not her vagina, you dumb gummybear. Just the outer beef curtains.
Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at June 7, 2009 7:52 PM
I felt ok using the term "outer beef curtains" since it's a medical term.
Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at June 7, 2009 7:53 PM
That's totally cool, because "outer beef curtains", in addition to of course being a medical term, is accurate, evocative, and renews my hope in Pajiba-kind that someone actually knows what they are talking about.
How about we keep bringing this up? I sense a need for education on this subject, upon which the entire concept of Pajiba was based...
de Lorean, named after John of the same name.