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That "review" of Joss Whedon's work has got to be the most irrational, insane, infantile, idiotic piece of writing I've ever encountered. Not only is it wholly inaccurate and full of nutty exaggeration, in the comments in her original article, she goes on to claim that Joss Whedon pressures and rapes his wife, because that's the only way a man who would write something like firefly could ever get a woman to have sex with him.

It is nothing more than radical feminism gone completely insane, and frankly it sickens me. I wish I'd never read it.

I agree, TK, though I didn't read the whole thing. I believe it may be a parody (and by "believe" I mean "hope desperately").

I mean, "fellow feminist lesbian sister"? Surely this is some kind of ham-fisted satire?

Surely...?

I've always considered myself sensitive to the views of women. In fact. I'm renowned for it. Mothers across the land want their daughters to bring home a man like me.

But the critique of Firefly leaves me baffled. The writer apparently has no concept of the chain of command in the army nor the idea of liking a grumpy boss because he's a decent man underneath. Even the basic rules of humour confuse them!

They even hate Wash for crying out loud! And seemingly because they are projecting the behaviour of their own misogynistic racist relations on to Wash's relationship with Zoe.

That's seriously fucked up.

I'll admit, Inara's career choice never seemed all that believable to me; I really can't see a self-respecting, intelligent woman being a prostitute when there are other options. But the rest of that rant was sheer insanity. The idea that Joss Whedon rapes his own wife everytime he "pressures" her into sex is so crazy I can't even articulate it. And if it's true, then certainly there are wives out there raping their husbands all the time, too. Lunacy.

She is absolutely NOT being ironic.

If she is doing satire, she's a failure as a writer because so many people are missing her point.

If, as you believe, she is being serious, then she is an even worse writer than I thought, in addition to being a failure as a thinker.

If you males find this sort of person infuriating, believe me, it's nothing compared to the fury that the sane women around you (the majority) feel for this kind of bullshit. Tossing the word rape around until it loses its true meaning is only the least of it.

Please don't damage your blood pressure steaming over people like this. They are literally a closed circle--and no one outside the circle takes them seriously.

I'm more concerned with her casually throwing around rape. Besides the accusation Wheadon "rapes" his wife, but also the that the companion's clients are "rapists" and proceed to "rape her."

Am I missing the definition of rape and non-consensual sex? But doesn't a prostitute consent to the sex if there is a transaction based upon their business agreement?

I'm sorry, but if being locked in a classroom with a bunch of neo-feminists has taught me anything it's not to throw rape around casually.

. but anyhow the woman does repeat more than ones that she hates men and that she never encounter not only a functional relationship between a white man and a black woman (cough*racist*cough) but more in general between a man and a woman.

Yeah, I caught that too. And she's blaming Firefly to be racist. Unfortunately there are more people in her comment section that agree adamantly than there are who don't. I mean, that's typical. Pajiba certainly has more people saying how Tyler Perry movies suck then there are who don't, but I'd say "Any pro-prostitution remarks will be deleted" is a little more serious than "Tyler Perry sucks and let's argue about it."

Oh well, I don't agree with her opinions but I'll fight for her right to have them until my death.

I'm actually far more concerned by the second piece from Salon they posted (the chick who strapped it on and then got a whole new insight into how men think).

How do these people function in life? Also, if this wasn't in Salon and from a feminist angle, wouldn't it be exactly the same as the anecdotes in Hustler that feminazis feel are so degrading?

Yeah, that "there's no such thing as a functional relationship between a man and a woman" bit stuck in my craw, too.

The thing is, people like this have no interest in solving problems. They have no interest in creating any sense of unity or healthy dialog with anyone other than the other crazies within their circle. In her own special, crazy way, she is just as divisive and racist and sexist as the people so despises. Jesus, to think I once thought Bianca was bad.

God, I really wish I hadn't read that.

Thanks a lot, Stacey.

[scowl]

Yeah, I would believe that essay was for real, and not an unsuccessful attempt at satire. There are radical feminist theories out there that suggest that all heterosexual sex is necessarily rape, because it is "impossible" to consent to penetration. I couldn't make that shit up if I tried.
To throw the term rape around so haphazardly is unbelievably offensive, because it devalues it when it has actually occurred. I realize that there are many, many different forms of feminism, but shit like this is why women are afraid to declare themselves feminist, lest they be lumped into the same category as people with crackpot ideas like this.

It's not satire. Her crackpot blog has since moved to http://allecto.wordpress.com/ and she even makes mention today of the sudden attention that old post of hers has gotten. But she's almost done with part 2 of her Firefly rant! I can't wait.

Easy, kids. With a little contemplation, it's readily apparent what has happened.

B-Slim has moved in with Bianca Reagan, and after several weeks of hot lemur sex, along with B-Slim getting his "cherry taken" by Bianca with "The Boss," they're collaborating on pseudo-feminist screeds against things they know we love.

Hicks-to-Ripley: Ease down. Just ease down. You're just grinding metal. Ease down.

In all seriousness, it's a good thing when extremist morons write this type of nonsense, for any cause. David Duke was the best thing that happened to race relations in the second half of the twentieth century, because crazy morons drive the merely-somewhat-dimwitted moderates away to more rational groups. This dipshit is a radical feminist David Duke, and her screeching self-immolation is necessary natural selection. If she were one shade less batshit crazy, someone might listen to her.

Thank you, socalled.

You are erudite, eloquent and perspicacious.

Now, like I told you earlier today: STEP AWAY FROM THE RUTTIN' COMPUTER.

Go walk around Rome with your wife. I enjoy the mental image of wispy Italian men scattering like pigeons in your presence. Then have a wonderful meal.

Then when you get back from your trip, come to Pajiba and tell us aaalllll about it, 'cause we're going to want to know.

I do not want to see you here before then. Do you understand?

I'm glad the anti-christ known hs Joss Whedon has been outted for the wife raping sadistic misogynist bastard he is. On that Buffy show he has that one girl getting hit all the time by men and others being killed. It is a travesty, a TRAVESTY that he is allowed to make his hate mongering anti-womyn propganda and the pathetic virgin geek male masses lap it up because their pissed that they can't get a date.

Also, I hear he eats kittens.

calling your wife 'wife' is rape.

Considering my heart condition, I should have not given into temptation and read that rant about Firefly. But as usual I read the comment threads before checking out the links and curiosity got the best of me.

What a sad, sad creature. The more I read the more I realized that she 1. Doesn't have a creative bone in her body that would allow her to understand complex characters and interactions within a work of fiction 2. Has never had a healthy relationship (even friendship) with a man, especially not a white man, so that colors everything she believes.

I won't go into her obvious ignorance about the historic role of the courtesan and how within the context of certain societies that role was a highly regarded one. It seems unfathomable to her that a woman would choose to trade in sex, as she would any other commodity or talent. Or that Inara has female clients.

Her line about how there can never be a normal, loving relationship between a white man and a black woman was incredible. I know more than a few couples who'd probably like to set her straight on that account.

I have nothing but pity for her. Her head's so far up her own twisted dogma that I'm sure she'd tell me that it's the patriarchy that forced me to think Zoe was awesome for being able to handle a firearm and kick ass. That I'm raped every time my husband puts the moves on me. Yeeeeeah, that's RICH.

Lookit, it's cool you don't like to have sex with a man. But there's a lot of us womenfolk who do, and we're no spaniels/victims. Jeez, it's like me saying that because I don't like seafood that everyone who eats and thereby pretends to enjoy the experience of eating seafood has clearly been brainwashed by the seafood industry.

Depressing stuff people. Depressing stuff all around.

Oh and I had a chocolate-covered Peep this weekend that was FREAKING AWESOME. Then again, I love Mallomars.

Yeh, so, um, I haven't read the Whedon rape thing yet (just scrolling to the bottom to put in a comment and I saw all of the above). I'm assuming this is not the about the next issue of the Buffy comic?

Anyhoo - a better payoff in slowly scrolling down a page of comments is that Jessica Simpson link. Wow. Just hilarious, and set up so well.

The second article "Strap-on Epiphany" is not satirical. It's also nothing like the Whedon article.

Here's a quick summary:
A woman is in a causal sexual relationship with a man.
The man has a desire to be fucked in the ass.
The woman obliges, and through the experience gains an insight into the dynamics of sex between the penetrator and the penetrated.

Now, compared to the Whedon article, this is merely a woman making a personal observation of what her experience was like, not vicious hatred for all things not radically feminist.

I mean, she may be wrong, and you may disagree, but she didn't give it to her guy just to make a political statement, she did it because he wanted to try it and because of it she found she had something to say about it.

Also she's pretty rational compared to the other woman. And by pretty I mean she's 'normal' and the other woman is batshit insane.

"How a so-called feminist can possibly support a stance which proposes women are naturally submissive to men is beyond me."

The short answer, because they believe society functions in such a way that women cannot not be submissive to men (Hence the inability to consent).

The long answer involves a discussion of structuralism, Levi-Strauss and, because I usually can't help myself, a lengthly screed against Catharine MacKinnon.

As always, queer theory FTW

Watching Sin City is RAPE! Drooling over Clive Owen is RAPE! Jessica Alba's performance is...well, I won't finish that sentence; it's a bit too close to the truth.

Posting for the first time ever is surprisingly nerve-wrecking, but luckily this Pajiba Love is getting old, so I guess most people who frequent this site are unlikely to read this, much less care. So what the hell...
The "essay" was certainly irritating and misguided, but it did make me think, which is supposed to be good for you every now and again. Here's what I thought.
1. Sigh. I'm so tired. I wonder if it's too early to make my coffee Irish?
2. Freedom of Speech. I get angry and depressed when I read the hate that male chauvinazis (it's a word I made up to go with feminazi, equal opportunity and all that...) spew on the interwebs. But I don't wish the power to shut them up, just the power to make them change their minds. The same with this girl.
3. She does raise a few points that I wondered about when I first saw Firefly, not too long ago. Inara's profession and her relationship with Mal did make me feel slightly uncomfortable. But not uncomfortable like "Wow, that Whedon guy must be a sexist monster who RAPES HIS WIFE" more like "hmmm, I'm not sure what to think of that, hopefully they'll explore these themes in many episodes and seasons to come. WHAT?? There's only a smattering of episodes left?!? Who are the people responsible for this? THEY RAPE EVERYTHING!!!!" I guess I'm kinda shouty.
4. The statistic about men versus women talking in the series was interesting to me, because I have heard guys say that Firefly is "all about the chicks" and that "the men hardly get a word in edgewise".
5. I have a pretty stupid but reliable rule of thumb on sexism in popular culture. If my radical feminist lesbian kid sister doesn't see a problem in a movie/book/TV-series, then the problem probably doesn't exist.
That is all. I now quietly retreat back into shadows. Have a nice day.

Pffffft, I could pick 10 better looking REAL hookers RIGHT NOW...

mmmmmmmm

Khakipants stop your lurking this instant! You should post more as you are funny, appear to agree with me and write in lists (which I love) also: it's never too early to make your coffee Irish. Ever.

Awww that wacky BSlim and his hookers. What a cad! (ps. Where ya been, man?)

Posted by: Alex the Odd at March 27, 2008 11:04 AM

Hehehe, been busy, I had to return some videos tapes...

Khakipants, you absolutely need to de-lurk more frequently. That was spot-on commenting (minus the double posting, which we all do in our moments of commenting fervor).

Also, I'm fairly certain Barbado's been just ignoring us these last couple of weeks. You've found another website, haven't you, you bastard? JUST TELL US!

We need to have words, my good man.

Haha... second that Eddie Izzard reference.

I know it is hard to drag oneself away from all the rape and stuff, but that 'Blog me a Tale' is really great.
Ok, back the rape ranting.

Wow. I tried read the essay about Joss and it just made my head hurt. Not only my head, my eyes, my neck all the way till it worked it's way down to be a pain in my butt. People like her suck and make me embarassed to be a woman.