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Louis CK Swears He Didn't Mean To Endorse Rape Jokes. So We Good Here?

By Joanna Robinson | Pajiba Love | July 17, 2012 | Comments ()


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And brush up on your whale, it looks like Finding Nemo 2 is in the works. (Deadline)

Finally, I was among the people who mistakenly thought a certain tweet Louis CK sent to Daniel Tosh during the whole Rape Joke controversy meant CK endorsed Tosh's reaction to a female heckler. Allegedly, this is not the case. Which makes me breath easier, because I f*cking love CK. Here's his explanation and a fairly reasonable yet hilarious take on the whole situation.




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  • alwaysanswerb

    Louis CK handled his explanation with humor, which is to be expected. I'm not mad about what he said, but I do think it is telling what parts of his opinion the audience cheered the most loudly to. For instance, his genuine suggestion that "men" (I guess here as a stand-in for people defending the joke) listen to "women" (stand-in for people who don't like it) was met by a non-reaction, whereas the second half of the sentence where "now that the men have listened, women need to shut the fuck up" was met with laughter, cheers, and raucous applause.

  • Jason

    The phrase "political correctness" is never used for any reason except
    to defend the right to say cruel, inhuman shit to people. You can safely
    reject an argument pretty much straight-up after seeing this phrase
    invoked without irony.

    The fundamental hypocrisy of this position is that it claims to be in
    favor of unbridled speech, but in fact is anything but. If your position
    is "people have the right to make hurtful speech, but OTHER PEOPLE do
    NOT have the right to complain about it" you aren't a crusader for free
    expression, you're a bully.

  • AudioSuede

    I'm sorry, I have to point out that you're angry about Daniel Tosh's rape joke scandal, but you want to snuggle Earl Sweatshirt. It's not your fault, his name is adorable. But listen to any Earl Sweatshirt song, and rape seems like the nicest part of his sense of humor.

  • AudioSuede

    Also, I'm gonna stay out of the shitty rape joke fighting this time. I've said my peace on this whole "controversy."

  • Sara_Tonin00

    (I know, right? Why didn't people point MaryAnn to the previous post and stop arguing about it?)

  • in_heaben

    When Louis ck said rape apologist, did anyone else hear rapeopotamus? Or was that just me? On a related note, anyone good at photoshop?

  • L.O.V.E.

    So, shall I pencil in July 24 for the next trollbaiting flameathon?

    If so, will we be sticking with the Tosh-CK bouillabaisse?
    Or might I interest you in a nice Bill Maher vintage?

  • Anne Lucchesi

    How do I send a link to Joanna for love? Anybody? Because I feel like this needs to be on Pajiba somehow.

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  • JoannaRobinson

    You can send it to joanna@pajiba.com. That goes for all y'all. :)

  • Sarah Carlson

    Joanna wins all the Gryffindor points for referencing the sadness bowl bit. Now where did I leave my lunch gun ...

  • pcloadletter

    Ebert actually makes a very good point about Deputy Chief Dwayne T. Robinson.

  • Matthew

    In one of Louis C.K.'s specials he said he would fuck a kid as long as he was dead when he found him. Is that somehow better than what Tosh said.being glad C.K. wasn't defending Tosh because you love him and are so offended by Tosh is fucking idiotic.

  • Slash

    Eh, the Onion addressed this best: http://www.theonion.com/articl...

    And what Louis C.K. said was funny. And true.

  • googergieger

    So basically hipsters found out about Louis C.K. a year or two ago, and Tosh is not only easy and encouraged to hate. But almost mandatory from said hipsters. So chastise one for making an unfunny joke or shit, just saying something on stage that seemed to be enjoyed or at least not bother enough people at his show that he could write the evening off as a success. Meanwhile champion Louis C.K. because his show is hipsteriffic? See this is why us elitist hate you hipster trash(no offense). Though at least we can both hate fauxhipsters with a passion.

    I'm a big fan of Louis(and his show). I enjoyed Tosh's first stand up special. After about a season or two of his show he seems to be phoning it in from both his show and stand up act. Now he just bores me more than anything. If both make some offensive gay joke and one is pretty funny and the other is incredibly horrible, I won't hate one and champion the other. Or even ignore the other. Cause you know, I'm not some hypocritical runt.

    In the immortal words of Kyle Broflovski, "Either it is all okay, or none of it is".

  • Jennifer Schmennifer

    Speaking for myself only, I learned from good comedy that there's nothing that can't be leavened by humor. But that depends so heavily on whether the joke is actually funny. I honestly think this wouldn't have been the controversy that it is had Tosh actually been funny.

    Also, I'm curious about whether there's an overlap between people who think "rape is never funny" and people who occasionally allude to prison rape when someone they dislike gets arrested.

  • mzbitca

    For a site whose commenters have no problem criticizing movies and bemoaning crappy movies making money there are a lot of people here saying that comedians cannot be criticized for making crap/offensive jokes..
    No one wants Tosh arrested, but there are many ways to handle a heckler without thinking bodily injury to her is funny...to me, rape jokes and mean humor at the audience is the surest sign of an insecure asshole and all of this defending is just a way to defend the last acceptable place to be a bully.

    There are tons of funny rape jokes out there..but here's the deal, they focus on the idea of rape and the people who do it an how ridiculous they are or they focus on women taking some of that power back..saying getting raped is funny is the fucking movie equivalent to Eddie Murphy playing all the characters in a movie...sure a lot of people laugh..but do you want those people around you ever?

  • googergieger

    My problem stems more from the hypocrisy of it all. Why is he the one to go after? Because it is Daniel Tosh? A known Jersey Shore bro douchebag magnet? Or because what he said is incredibly different than what some of your or other peoples favorite comedians have said?

  • celery

    I think the yardstick that a lot of people have chosen for rape jokes is that if the butt of the joke is the rape victim, it's bad, don't do it. if the butt of the joke is the rapist, rape culture, or something else entirely, you're good to go. I think this seems reasonable.

  • googergieger

    And Tosh specifically went after a rape victim? Alright good to know.

  • Grand Scheme

    First off, there are two versions of events - one in which Tosh made a joke about rape, got heckled, and said something to the effect of "See, I bet she got raped by like five guys." The other version, according to the heckler, is that he said "She *should* get raped by five guys", which is borderline threatening. so where you stand on the issue has a lot to do with account you believe.

    Secondly, Sarah Silverman, at the same club, same night, made light of rape jokes (specifically, that rape victims would not complain about them, on the grounds that some rape victims do not even report being raped). But nobody has an issue with this.

    The online bastions of Feminism (e.g. Shakesville) have been extremely vocal - and have since at least the Penny Arcade Dick Wolves controversy - that rape is a subject unsuitable for comedy. Obviously, not everyone shares their views; but they are out there. (And heaven forbid you disagree, or you are a rape apologist and / or contributor to rape culture.)

    I think everyone else with a shred of sanity can agree that (1) Tosh isn't funny, (2) ergo his jokes probably weren't funny, (3) but he's still free to make them, (4) but others are free to criticize him, and (5) it's batshit to suggest that any subject matter is wrong. (In bad taste, yes; there's a difference.)

  • MurderBot

    I don't anyone here is trying to say a comedian can't be criticized. Many are, in fact, criticizing him right alongside defending his right to tell any damn joke he pleases.

    Criticizing a persons crappy jokes are one thing, telling them that something is off limits and can never be joked about, ever, is quite another.

  • mzbitca

    Noone has said it can never be joked about, they were just saying that you sound like an asshole and it's not really funny. Most critiques have often included examples of really funny rape jokes by very popular comedians. Tosh can keep on making rape jokes and these people can keep on calling him an asshole for it and the circle can go round and round..or Tosh can change his routine a bit to be more fitting for a larger audience..or he won't but the that's his call to make and it will be other people's decision then whether to watch his show and/or buy his tickets afterward..

  • CMooreVerdad

    I actually have heard many people saying that you can't criticize him because comedy is a sacred space therefore you can say anything. Yes you do have the right to say anything and then people have the right to criticize you, tell you that was you said wasn't funny and boo you off the stage. Yay for everyone exercising their rights!!

  • Maguita NYC

    Freedom of speech.
    You have every right to state your opinion, but the moment you exercise that right, you automatically gain the merit to having your opinion criticized and commented upon as well.

    Stating simply that you have the right, while intoning that no one else can exercise theirs in feedback, is just absolute mental laziness.

  • telling them that something is off limits and can never be joked about, ever, is quite another.

    Did someone here say that?

  • kushiro -

    Seems to me that the criticism around here is not so much "you CAN'T make a movie about THIS THING" as it is "the movie you made about this thing sucks".

  • kali yuga

    I think we'd all be better off if we followed this advice: "Always keep your guns aimed up."

  • mswas

    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BIRDS????

  • Maguita NYC

    Question from a newbie: What's with everyone's shouty capitals... And what looks to me to be off subject comments... Is this how they deal with "inner squabbles"? Like playing your music louder when you hear your parents fighting...

  • L.O.V.E.

    What's with all the questions? You a cop, or something? Cuz you have to tell us if you are. Its like, in the constitution, yo.

  • Maguita NYC

    Yes, I'm with the Catch-a-Nerd Special Squad.
    Now will you answer my questions or do I have to take you downtown?
    ...
    Wow, even to my ears, that sounded dirty.

    @L.O.V.E. I may not be as knowledgeable with inner interactions of this site as you obviously are, but just for the purpose of participating next year in CBR, I'm willing to survive a learning curve.

  • L.O.V.E.

    Here's my answer, pig.

    All those other rules. Bullshit.

    And their numbers. Bullshit.

    Say what you must. Do all you can.
    Break all the fucking rules and
    Go to Hell with Superman and
    Die like a champion, yeah hey!

    Now, I'm done. Where's my phone call.

  • Maguita NYC

    You'll get your phone call after blood and urine tests. I know, not a requisite, but as you put it, rules schmules.

    Why do I feel the need to give you a "Jesus Still Loves You" pamphlet?

    But got your message there, I am uncool, you are beyond school.

  • L.O.V.E.

    Maguita, I'm a grown man with a wife and kid, who has the handle L.O.V.E., has Kristen Bell as his avatar, and a quote from the Beastie Boys as his biography. I claim to live in Neptune, California. That is a make believe city from a TV show that has not aired in years.

    (In Woody Allen voice)
    My coolness factor is middling at best. Most of the time I don’t have much fun. The rest of the time I don’t have any fun at all.

    In this single post, I've commented on drapes, referenced Bad Religion, Breaking Bad and ... Woody Allen. Which puts me somewhere between Family Guy and Robin Williams on the inane, pseudo-hip, non sequiter scale.

    Don't fret the cool. Just do your thing.

  • Maguita NYC

    Wow. An honest, direct answer. I'm very flustered right now, and don't know what I did to truly deserve getting a peek at the face behind the L.O.V.E handle.

    Oh Neptunian, how we miss Ms. Mars. But she is kicking ass as a dirty social climber on House of Lies.

    Don't worry about my lack of cool. I embrace it like a luscious and PETA-hunted mink coat. No grudges here, I'm (un)fortunately quite scatterbrained at times. From the moment you said Robin Williams, I started wondering if you were as hairy. and short.

    Enjoy your rhymes and riddles L.O.V.E., I'll hunt down answers on my own. For questions I have many in regards to this unearthly forum, outside of blogosphere norms.

  • Jennifer Schmennifer

    The thing that upsets me most about that Louis CK interview is that he said he enjoys Tosh.O. Ugh. Tosh is a talentless, unfunny fuck with a male version of a baby voice. Why, Louis? Why?!

  • Maguita NYC

    This. It has given Tosh much more attention and coverage than he could ever deserve. His comedic routines are weak.

  • BierceAmbrose

    JR (& nerdette pajibettes),

    Careful on the girl-crush. As a 15-minute famous web 2.0 girrrrl-bot wrote a few years back "Once You're Lucky, Twice You're Good." She's done nothing since.

    I'm extremely skeptical of Mayer's fit for this job, especially at this time. I think you're going to see quite a few higher-level Googlers moving along as the company tries to become an actual business. Most won't make it. They're highly-adapted to a particular narrow kind of startup-y tech business based in the valley & fed on an intersection of buzz and deep tech. Mayer, specifically, doesn't talk like a turn-around CEO in any interview or analysis to date. Plus, there's Yahoo's epic genius at picking CEO's that can't possibly work out, then ensuring they don't.

    If you gotta nerdgirl crush on a tech CEO, Meg Whitman's got a better shot, better background, and better inventory to work with. So far she's making right, if unpopular, moves @HP.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I upvoted this comment because it wasn't about rape.

    (also, it is intelligent)

  • Pajiba_Pragmatist

    Bierce, You were right on until the Meg Whitman bit.

    I've spent a little time with Ms. Whitman; she's smart, focused, and exceedingly competent...and that's her biggest problem. She has no "huckster" in her - she doesn't sell a story or a vision.
    If you wanted a CEO to move a large infrastructure company forward, or manage thousands of consultants, then she's your woman.

    But Whitman doesn't have that "The world needs to change, and I'm the one to do it" that is required to really lead in tech right now.

    On Mayer: Beyond your point about her thin track record, she's taking over the reins of a company that she just spent her life crushing - she's got no respect for Yahoo, so how is she going to lead?

  • BierceAmbrose

    I've not met Whitman. Your read matches my impression from a distance.

    Mayer @Yahoo looks like a Greek - er Geek - Tragedy about to happen. How's it go ... hubris, nemesis & you end up gouging your eyes out because you slept with your mother?

  • JoannaRobinson

    Meg Whitman? Oh, Bierce, it's like you don't know me at all.

  • BierceAmbrose

    I just realized Mayer has better boobs. It all makes sense now. Carry on.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Oh, JR, I just want to spare you some pain. The Meg-bot may not be your type (I realize she tried to purchase a senate seat via The Stupid Party.), but I think with Mayer we're talking Ricky Martin / Gay-Spock here, meaning pretty, but you're gonna be disappointed.

  • SeaKat

    Hey, Joanna! I guess the answer to your question in the title is "No."

  • branded_redux

    RAAAAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!

  • JoannaRobinson

    -SEEDED!
    -NO, SEEDLESS, YOU HEATHEN. /GRAAAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR

  • space_oddity
  • branded_redux

    You giant purple gorilla!
    /GRAAAAAAAAPE AAAAAAAPE WAAAAAARRRRRR

  • The Wanderer

    Call in Dr. Zaius!
    /AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR!!!

  • L.O.V.E.


    TAAAAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!
    Duct Tape gonna mess your shit up, Scotch! And don't even think about bringing no Masking shit to this fight, hommmme-boyyyyaa!

  • JoannaRobinson

    Ten points from Gryffindor, Mis.ter Pohtter. /SEVERUUUUS SNAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAARRRRRRRRR

  • L.O.V.E.


    DRAAAAAAAPE WAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!

    Gabardine in da house!

    All you other sucker-ass cloths better step the fuck off!

  • Bert_McGurt

    It's time for these delicious little rolled-up French pancakes with fruit filling gonna show up ALL you other mutha-effin pastries!

    /CREEEEEEPE WAAAAARRRRRR!

  • L.O.V.E.

    No, No, No. Who let the "E" in? We let "E" in and pretty soon the "I" will be all, "Hey, so, its cool if I get it on this, right?"

    Then we have madness. Anarchy!

    This ain't alphabet soup.

    That "E' is going to have to wait outside until were finished.

    "Trape". You're on the clock.

  • branded_redux

    Metaman: express elevator! Dynaguy: snagged on takeoff! Splashdown: sucked into a vortex!
    /NO CAAAAAAAAAAAAPES WAAAAARRRRRRR

  • Green Lantern

    I like capes.

  • Six seasons and a movie

  • Peezy

    Also, for the record, are we forgetting that Louis CK has made his share of rape jokes in the past? Including this gem:

    “I’m not condoning rape obviously, you should never rape anyone. Unless you have a reason, like if you want to fuck somebody and they won’t let you. In which case, what other option do you have?”

    Jokes are just that. Jokes. Stop getting so bent out of shape over words, you sensitive babies. If Tosh was out there actually raping people, then fine, but god forbid he tells jokes in a comedy club and suddenly "Waaaaah!"

  • alwaysanswerb

    I think that qualifies as an example of "trolling the rapist" rather than "making fun of the victim." Not everyone is still going to be cool with that, but at least rape victims aren't the butt of the joke -- the guy who can't get laid is.

    Edit: looks like I should have just gone to the Jezebel link where they say basically what I was theorizing.

  • luvlee

    Someone over at Jezebel actually compiled a list of rape jokes which, according to her, work. See the second example for an explanation that (I think) makes sense.

    http://jezebel.com/5925186/how...

  • Lotney

    In the end he mentioned he wants to kill jews!!!! Why isn't anybody talking about that?!?!?

  • Maguita NYC

    I thought Michael Richards exhausted the subject.

  • Kip Hackman

    And then Mel Gibson just had to pile on.

  • Stacey Bryan

    Arguing with someone on the internet is the most pointless activity one can engage in...next to soccer.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    I don't know. The studs under the shoes can be pretty pointy.

  • googergieger

    To be fair outside of wikipedia, news, and spanking it material, the rest of the internet is pretty effin pointless.

  • ERM
  • Bert_McGurt

    You jerk! What have you got against soccer? Just cause it's the most popular sport in the world you think you can make fun of it? I have lots of friends that play soccer and like it - I bet you've never even tried it! Sure, there's more diving than a Caribbean scuba school, but they don't call it the beautiful game for nothing! That grass is a LOVELY shade of green! And have you SEEN how straight the lines are on the field? Not to mention the balls are all psychedelic and kaleidescopey!

  • space_oddity

    OMG what do you have against crooked lines?!

  • Stacey Bryan

    Apologies, I was trying to take something as serious and unfunny as soccer and try to make light of the heinous act of soccer. It was not my intent to insult or belittle the many Americans who live in fear every day of soccer. That was insensitive of me to make an obvious joke on a movie review site. I, in no way, condone or encourage soccer and as a woman who has sat through numerous soccer games would not wish it on my worst enemy.

  • Chrispeare

    You're awesome.

  • Peezy

    Preach, person I've never met ever, preach.

  • Bert_McGurt

    Since when did we start taking comedians so seriously? Even Andrew Dice Clay didn't have to put up with this much vitrolic opinionating. Give Louis a break.
    If we piled on every comedian that insulted a member of the audience, we wouldn't have any left. I saw Russell Peters do it to three different audience members the other day. They laughed it off. Cause it's a comedy show.
    From what I've been able to gather from the reports flying around the internet, the blogger's friend's cousin (or whatever) that accused Tosh of the incident in the first place was a) trying to play the comedy police; b) recounted the incident with some embellishment of what was actually said; and c) piped up in response to a suggestion from ANOTHER AUDIENCE MEMBER. Not to mention that it wasn't even her that wrote the blog post.
    Yes, Tosh made a stupid (and bad) joke about a terrible topic. But that doesn't mean that OTHER COMEDIANS should have to apologize for it.

  • Since the internet happened and everyone got to say whatever the hell they wanted with no consequences, specially when they're ragey about whatever.

  • space_oddity

    1000x this. The internet is like a giant emotional echo chamber.

  • Nimue

    Joanna, you can fly.....but, can you crow?

  • Three_nineteen

    The worst thing about this whole Tosh bullshit is how people keep comparing him to George Carlin.

  • Socraz6

    No one is saying that Tosh is better than or even on par with the talent level of Carlin. Carlin did make a salient point in one of his well known comedy acts that applies to the situation. There is no comparison happening.

  • pajiba

    You get ALL the upvotes.

  • Peezy

    I said it in a comment below, but I would never compare Carlin and Tosh as comedians. But someone explain to me how what Tosh did is any different from Carlin doing this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    If Tosh was the one in the clip above, people would be calling for his lynching.

  • JoannaRobinson

    I already gave her mine.

  • Irina

    Amanda Plummer is the perfect choice for Wiress. I heard that they offered Finnick to Sam Clafin, who was decent in "Snow White and the Huntsman" but I don't think he's in-your-face-drop-dead-gorgeous enough for Finnick. Then again, who is? Now, if Matt Bomer were 10 years younger, there would be no auditions needed.

  • llp

    I agree, Plummer is an excellent choice. Bomer would have been perfect (damn you, decade), and I have seen elsewhere that people are looking at Armie Hammer. I kind of think that if Alex Pettyfer weren't such an unlikeable douche, he might be ok in that part.

  • Mrs. Beasley

    Ah Louis CK makes me happy. The thing about this whole Daniel Tosh thing is, I've honestly never read more hateful things than what I've read online. Bloggers and commenter's are frequently terrible people. Then a comedian makes a rape joke, or a racist joke, or whatever, and people are like, ummmm OMG I cannot believe he said that! That's a serious matter to me, and he should DIAF! Just like your mom LOL. Ok, sorry I'll stop now.

  • Mrs. Beasley

    Wow sorry I made such a hate-able comment. I hereby retire my smart ass card, apparently it doesn't work anymore. The more you know.

  • ERM

    I wish Louie had just left it alone. Now we get to endure another round of internet conversation about Douche.0

  • Lindsey With an "e"

    Comedians make outrageous comments for a living. People shouldn't be all worked up because someone who says shocking things for a living said something shocking. Carlin did specifically make this point, he killed all of the sacred cows. If Tosh had said "wouldn't be funny if someone dropped a house on her" no one would think he was making a death threat, and people would have laughed at the reference to her being a witch. The notion that he has the right to say whatever he wants in his act as long as it doesn't offend YOU is ridiculous. I think a lot of people have waaaaay too much time on their hands and have an addiction to being ENRAGED, so by all means look for anything that might feed the anger. Dumb comedian is dumb, nothing new there.

  • What sacred cow was Tosh killing with his incitement to rape?

    I'm sure you are well aware that women do not generally suffer from having houses dropped on them. But a significant percentage of women have in fact been raped. I'm sure you are well aware that if, for some reason, a woman reported having a house dropped on her, her claim would not be doubted, and the police would not wonder what she did to bring getting a house dropped on her by someone. We do not live in a culture that minimizes the real horror of getting a house dropped on one. Do you not see the difference?

    And please tell us who is suggesting that Tosh does not have the right to say whatever he wants? Here's a hint: no one. But everyone else has the right, too, to tell Tosh he's an insensitive jerk who thinks merely being an insensitive jerk is "edgy" or "cool" or whatever the hell he thinks it is. And how is it fine that he can say what he wants but his critics cannot?

  • Puddin

    Hey, I think the guy is as disgusting as pig feces, but there is a difference between criticizing and raising the torches and pitchforks.
    I despise rape culture and will argue against it until my dying breath, but I also really hate hyperbole and pearl clutching as well.

  • Are you suggesting that I am "raising the torches and pitchforks"? If so, what in my comments constitutes this?

  • Puddin

    Psst...not everything is about you.

    Except the hyperbole thing. The hyperbole thing is totally about you.

  • You replied to my comment but you weren't talking to me?

    Oh... kay...

  • Puddin

    Oh my God! Enough with the narcissism!

    When someone says, "And how is it fine that he can say what he wants but his critics cannot?" and someone responds to THAT statement, they are not talking about you. And by the way, I agree with you on pretty much everything you say, but your reactionary, knee-jerk responses on this thread are completely off-putting and ineffective.

    You're like the MIchael Moore of rape.

  • Lizzau

    And you are the Baby Huey of internet comments. Look, if you reply to someones comment they are going to assume you are speaking to what they said. That's how this internet machine works.
    Like right now: assume I am speaking directly to you. Because I am.

  • Peezy

    Who cares if CK did endorse Tosh's reaction? Tosh didn't do anything wrong. NOTHING that comes out of a comedian's mouth, in a comedy club, is off limits. NOTHING. Especially if he's being heckled. If you're going to get offended at something a well-known (hell, the most-known-working-today) shock comic says in a comedy club, you're in the wrong place.

    George Carlin has a whole long bit about proving that rape jokes can be funny. Because they can be. If you're ballsy enough to heckle a comedian, you better be thick-skinned enough to take the tongue-lashing that will come back to you. End of story.

  • Oh, for pete's sake. Tosh invited input from the audience. There was no "heckling." And please do explain what's funny -- as in, what's a joke -- about inciting rape? Where, precisely, is the humor?

    Jokes about *anything* -- including rape -- can indeed be funny. Where's the joke in suggesting it would be funny if the woman standing in front of Tosh was raped by five men?

    Don't compare Tosh to Carlin. Carlin's humor was always about bringing the powerful down a few notches. It was not about victimizing specific actual members of his audience.

  • Peezy

    Where has it been said anywhere that Tosh invited input from the audience? To my understanding (and according to the girl who wrote the blog herself), he was talking about how rape could be funny and she stood up and interrupted him.

    As for the humor in it...I wasn't there. I can't say. But again, from that girl's blog, people found it funny. She specifically said "as the audience guffawed in response to Tosh." So while it's clear there was no punchline, exactly, it was clearly the delivery that apparently made everyone but her laugh. So it was obviously humorous to some people. Maybe not you, but as always, comedy is subjective.

    And of course I'm not comparing Tosh and Carlin as comedians. Tosh is amusing at times, but he's nowhere in Carlin's league and I would never suggest that. But as comedians, both have to handle hecklers on a regular basis. How is what Tosh said any different from this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... of Carlin handling a heckler? For those who don't want to listen, here it is transcribed:

    "Would somebody just put a dick in that guy's mouth please? Cuz that's what he wants. He's a cocksucker in disguise. He's got his mouth open because he wants someone to cum in it. Now do you wanna keep making noise, motherfucker, and we can find you that way, or are you just a punk coward asshole bullshit loud motherfucker and you're gonna shut up now so we don't find out where the fuck you're sitting. Cuz if you keep it up, we'll grab your ass and throw you on the fucking street where you belong, with your mother. And I'm fucking her in the asshole every night anyway, so fuck you and your sister and your wife. If you've got a kid, I hope your fuckin' kid dies in a car fire. How do you like that, you stupid cocksucker? Shut the fuck up and get the fuck outta here."

    Now, if someone who isn't as beloved as Carlin or CK (someone, like say, for instance, Daniel Tosh) says something like that, suddenly there's a bunch of oversensitive people calling for him to apologize. It's stupid. Comedy is a vulgar business that pushes buttons and crosses every line you put in front of it. If you can't take the heat, don't go see a comedian, and damn sure don't heckle him. Period.

  • Where has it been said anywhere that Tosh invited input from the audience?

    How about the club owner, who think he's defeding Tosh, but doesn't make the situation sound any better:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyode...

    Yeah, that Carlin bit is pretty bad.

  • Peezy

    So when it comes to saying rape jokes are bad, we're taking the girl's word of what happened as gospel. But when it comes to claiming Tosh invited input from the audience, instead of going with the girl who flat out said she interrupted him and was disruptive, we're going with someone who is quoted as saying, "Something like that. I really didn’t hear properly" two sentences later?

    When we start trying to piece together the story from conflicting eyewitnesses, we're just getting further and further from what probably happened.

    But it doesn't matter what happened. Unless Tosh got off that stage and actually raped the girl himself, he didn't do anything wrong by saying what he said. Period. It's a comedy club. Turns out people tell jokes at those places. Sorry she got her feelings hurt by one of them but it wouldn't have happened if she had followed the unspoken rule of NEVER heckling the comedian.

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