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There is Nothing About This That Doesn’t Make Me Uncomfortable

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (18)



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Happy Holidays everyone! Who wants to read about a study on child porn? No one? Too bad, I don’t make the news, I just report on it. Despite some of the rhetoric out there, previous studies have shown that access to pornography does not increase the rate of sexual violence in an area. What doesn’t get talked about so much is what happens when the pornography in question features children. This recent study looked at the rates of child sexual abuse in the Czech Republic during a period of time in which child pornography was not illegal versus a period when it was. During the communist regime, from 1948-1989, all pornography was banned in the Czech Republic. After the transition to democracy in 1989, all forms of pornography, including child pornography, suddenly became available legally.

The authors of this study looked at the incidence of reported sex crimes (taken from the Czech Ministry of the Interior) during a period ranging from the mid 1970s to 2007. They compared rates for 15-17 years before the change in pornography laws to an 18 year period after the change. Although it’s the child pornography angle that’s been largely reported in the media, the study actually looked at all sex crimes, as well as murder, assault, and robbery figures for comparison. After the introduction of legal porn in 1989, the number of reported cases of child sex abuse dropped dramatically, from around 1,200 to about 750. The rate subsequently rose from 1995 to 1998 and then began to drop again. The number of reported rape and other sexual assault crimes involving adults remained relatively constant during the entire period looked at. The rates of non-sexual crimes, such as murder and robbery, show a dramatic increase after 1989, which implies that the decrease in child sexual abuse cases does not simply follow a larger trend of crime in general. The conclusion of the researchers is that the availability of child pornography led to a decrease in child sex abuse cases, but I’ll be honest, I’m not convinced. In fact, the rate of reported child sex abuse crimes shows a steady decline for the entire period studied, dropping from around 2,000 in 1974 to 1,250 in 1980. There’s a short plateau region from around 1980 to 1989 before the drop attributed by the researchers to the availability of porn, but it’s not as if the rates were constant for a long time and suddenly dropped - there’s been a consistent downward trend for roughly 30 years. The data are presented as raw numbers, rather than as a fraction of the population (which has grown considerably over the time period studied), so it’s a bit hard to judge the graphs by themselves, but from what’s presented it looks as if child abuse cases were declining even before the legalization of porn, and while there is a very sharp drop immediately after porn became available, it isn’t clear that this is because of the availability of porn. (And the rates quickly rise again to pre-1989 levels before once again declining.)

Obviously a lot of upheaval and cultural changes accompanied the transition to democracy which may have affected either the rate of actual crimes or the rate of reportage. Without knowing what the cultural climate of the Czech Republic was like during the period studied, it’s hard for me to feel confident in the authors’ interpretation of the data, since the only evidence given is a correlation. The fact that the authors have to rely on reported crimes also doesn’t help, since sex crimes are notoriously under-reported and any changes could be due to how comfortable victims feel coming forward, rather than an actual change in incidence. Surveys indicate that cultural attitudes towards pornography did not change in the years immediately followed 1989, although attitudes toward sexuality generally became more liberal. Concern for sex crimes and support networks for victims of such crimes did increase in post-transition, so if anything one would expect the number of reported incidents to increase rather than decrease, but this still doesn’t explain why the downward trend starts before 1989. All in all, I simply don’t think there’s enough data to demonstrate that the availability of child pornography reduces the rate of child sexual abuse, although it made for a really great story that the press was happy to eat up.

Let’s say for the sake of argument, however, that there’s a chance that the availability of child pornography does reduce the rates of sexual crimes against children. Would it be worth it to legalize it? It seems morally unconscionable to me to allow even a small number of children to be exploited, even for the sake of saving other children. Especially since the children being exploited would likely come from poor countries which offer fewer protections to their youngest citizens than places like the US do. There is a possible alternative, however, to pornographic videos of actual children - that is, simulated porn, in the form of cartoons or CGI creations. The idea still squicks me out, but if videos of cartoon kids in sexual scenarios reduced the rate of abuse of real children, I’d be willing to allow it, personally. In fact, this kind of material is already protected under free speech in the US. Simulated child pornography was temporarily banned in here the US, but the Supreme Court struck down the law because it was not directly related to the protection of children, unlike child pornography featuring non-cartoon children. Other countries are more strict about what kind of porn is legal. Simulated child pornography is banned in Canada, Australia, South Africa, and the Philippines, among others. There’s even been an attempt in Australia to ban pornography featuring adult women with small breasts who could be perceived as underage. Again, I’m not convinced that the availability of pornographic materials of (simulated) children would actually prevent child abuse, but if future studies indicate that this is the case then I would rather people who are inclined to be sexually attracted to children feed their desires with manufactured porn rather than real children.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

If it would actually prevent child abuse then of course it would be a good idea to use simulated porn. Whether it actually works or not is big concern. Would "simulation" be enough to satisfy a pedophile's urges? (Just typing that sentence makes me ill.)

Posted by: Paultera at December 21, 2010 4:30 PM

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at December 21, 2010 4:36 PM

This is pretty much the most awful thing I've ever read or been forced to think about. Not saying it's not well-written, but it's just so awful.

And I've got a couple of thoughts.

1) Simulated adult rape porn exists. I don't know how successful it is in reducing the incidence of rape, and in fact one of my fears is that people who would otherwise not be interested in it, become interested sheerly out of its existence and because of human curiosity. I have no empirical evidence of this, but it seems like an unfortunate possibility.

My next thought is that pedophiles and pedophilia are not normal. It is a terrible and wholly unnatural appetite and I don't know that child pornography, simulated or not, would be sufficient to satisfy their urges. Put another way: I'm a perfectly sexually normal straight dude, but I'll admit that softcore, simulated pornography doesn't do always rev my engine, you know? And I'm fairly certain that's a common response among most modern males. I freely admit that sometimes I like the hardcore stuff. My tastes in porn are strictly vanilla, but I do enjoy it, and if that's my mood, prefer it to simulated, softcore stuff. Extrapolate from there, but with pedophiles and child pornography, and you reach a very ugly conclusion.

OK, I'm amazed I was able to write this much without crying. But if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go curl into a ball beneath my desk and shake for a while.

Posted by: Hogarth at December 21, 2010 4:42 PM

In fact, this kind of material (cartoons or CGI creations) is already protected under free speech in the US. Simulated child pornography was temporarily banned here in the US, but the Supreme Court struck down the law because it was not directly related to the protection of children...

Didn't I just read about a man in the U.S. who was arrested for possessing images of the Simpsons in sexual situation?

How could I possibly google that without going to jail?

Posted by: superasente at December 21, 2010 4:44 PM

Didn't I just read about a man in the U.S. who was arrested for possessing images of the Simpsons in sexual situation?

If that's true, they're going to have to arrest most of 4chan. I'm pretty sure that fanart, even pornographic cartoon fanart, violates neither copyright nor obscenity laws.

Besides. The Simpsons is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff out there.

Posted by: That Girl at December 21, 2010 4:55 PM

superasente I'm at work so I don't feel like looking for the link right now, but from what I remember he was tried under "obscenity" laws and when the case went to the supreme court they deemed that the Simpsons porn, though gross, was protected under free speech.

Posted by: s. pisaster at December 21, 2010 5:01 PM

I suppose the law could be written allowing any child pornography produced by a given date would be decriminalized, but production of new material would be illegal. I'm not sure how that would be enforced, but I'm guessing there is a way to time stamp digital images.

To ask a larger question, child sexual abuse is the greatest taboo in our culture so why the incidence of child sexual abuse is distressingly common? Yeah, you can say pedophiles are monsters, but that doesn't do anything to prevent a kiddie diddler from fondling a Cub Scout after the troop meeting. Is it an irresistible (or nearly irresistible) compulsion? If that's the case, molesters should be treated for mental illness. If it's something else that drives someone to cross that line, I want to know what. You get busted for possession of child pornography or abusing children and your life is effectively over. Most people would sooner allow a rapist into their home. I want to understand why that need is so great that someone would make themselves a pariah forever.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at December 21, 2010 6:37 PM

Thank you for this. A nicely logical, emotionally-detached discussion about this issue.

I'm a forensic psychologist in New Hampshire, and working with sexual offenders, it's nice to see this level of literacy with regards to this population.

Posted by: hhbrady at December 21, 2010 7:05 PM

Any indication of the nature of the child porn that was referenced? ie, porn featuring really young kids (say, 12 years old and younger) vs. adolescents (13-18)?

Not saying the pervs who want to do 13-year-olds are not a problem, but I think most people do see a difference between someone who wants to have sex with a 10-year-old and someone who wants to screw a hot 14-year-old. Most people (I would hope) see the former as awful, but lots of people (mostly men, but probably some women too) don't have as much of a problem with the latter (not that many of them will voice support for it, they'll just indulge in it in private while tsk-tsking it in public).

Just curious. I'm certainly not in favor of lowering the age of consent nor am I implying that porn featuring adolescents is not also repellent, just wondering what constitutes "child porn" in this context (and in the Czech Republic).

Posted by: Slash at December 21, 2010 8:22 PM

Yowzah. We've all been entered into a database somewhere just by clicking on this page.

Posted by: Brenton at December 21, 2010 8:35 PM

"You know, I think there was just as much fucking going on then as there is now - the only difference is people talk about it more now." - one of the witnesses in the movie Reds

I think the current foofaraw about child porn and child sex abuse is due to the increase in reporting of it. Decades ago a pedophile could get away with it because of the shame and stigma attached (in much the same way as a rape victim might not come forward to accuse her assailant). We see that with the revelations of abusive priests, who are accused ten, twenty or more years after the incident.

Posted by: The Wanderer at December 21, 2010 9:34 PM

honestly I have no problem with cartoon child porn and the argument that "Would it be enough" is kind of crap.

Do people that watch gangbang porn inevitably get involved in group sex? As long as no kids are actually getting abused I couldn't give a shit what kind of porn someone's jerking it too. Just like I assume they don't give a shit that I'm watching middle aged British dominatrix porn.

Posted by: Ben at December 21, 2010 9:53 PM

I watch Japanese anime porn and am always astounded and amused that they introduced each film with the proclamation that everyone depicted is over the age of 18. These are cartoon girls with big eyes and squeaky voices in scanty school uniforms, mind you.
I wish I had mad skills so I could hack into child porn sites and inflict horribly expensive, embarrassing and incriminating viruses onto each user's computer...

Posted by: cinekat at December 22, 2010 5:55 AM

Besides. The Simpsons is pretty tame compared to some of the stuff out there.

Oh God, if only I could bleach my eyes and brain from the time I somehow stumbled across Simpsons incest pics.
::shudder::
::vomit::
::curl in ball and weep::

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 22, 2010 9:35 AM

Slash, you make an excellent, while difficult point. How many people have seen a stranger in public, found them sexually attractive and then somehow realized/discovered that they are 17, 15, maybe younger? Our bodies are developing at such a different pace these days* that it isn't always easy to tell. And have you ever seen My Super Sweet Sixteen? Is that considered child porn, the way they all grind and hump at those dance parties.

*Not an effective use of measuring time, I know.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 22, 2010 9:39 AM

Personally speaking, I know porn played a key role in my own personal journey of realizing my sexual tastes. I'm not into kids or sheep or anything *too* ridiculous, but I definitely depart from the social norms. I hesitate to sound like one of those "pot is a gateway drug" lunatics, but I would hate to think that what was well intentioned to save children from abuse actually turned some people on to it and led to abuse. I don't know if there's any way to measure that, to prove or disprove. It's easy to rabbit-hole down into the depths of the Internet and find yourself in a shady part of town, and while the vast majority of humans wouldn't be aware of the kid section of the porn world, I bet some budding pedophiles would manage to find it, and a cycle begins, which could ultimately lead to a real world realization of those fantasies. And that would be terrible.

Posted by: ZombieMedic at December 22, 2010 11:52 AM

ZombieMedic, that seems like the same argument people have been using for video games- "Kids that like those shooting games are going to do it in real life." Most people have a pretty good grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality, and the people that don't are going to have problems regardless. There have been studies that show there is no link between violent BDSM and abuse, so I wouldn't think this would be much different.

And one thing that hasn't been addressed is the leap between realizing a fetish and acting on it. Rape fetishes are incredibly common, but not everyone who has this fetish actually does it in real life (or is seeking to have it done to them). People know it's not something they should actually do, and roleplay and watch simulated rape porn instead. Why wouldn't it be the same with pedophiles?

I submit Dan Savage's column on Gold Star Pedophiles, where he has a psychologist and expert on sexual abuse weigh in:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=3347526

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