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That So-Called Sexual Peak

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (65)



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Those of you that are fans of the webcomic Piled Higher and Deeper may remember this comic, which points out the frequent differences in the actual conclusions from scientific studies and the way they are reported both in university press releases and the general news. Universities are in the business of making money off of research, and newsworthy studies usually improve their chances of getting more funds, so they tend to be quick to play up those aspects of research most likely to draw attention while downplaying all the caveats and exceptions to any conclusions, and news reports often base their write-ups on the press release material rather than the full study, often further distorting the conclusions in the process. Case in point: this press release from the University of Texas at Austin, which refers to this paper. The press release is titled “Ticking biological clock increases women’s libido,” and states that the research in question found that women in the 27-45 year old range (defined in the study as the age range of declining fertility) had higher sex drives than both younger, more fertile women, and post-menopausal women. The release implies that this research proves that women have evolved to be more sexually active after age 27 in order to improve their chances of having children, and while the quote from the professor who conducted the research also plays up this aspect, in the actual paper the authors are more careful in their conclusions and more willing to acknowledge some of the limitations of their research.

The study in question, Reproduction expediting: Sexual motivations, fantasies, and the ticking biological clock, by Judith A. Easton, Jaime C. Confer, Cari D. Goetz, and David M. Buss, looked at the frequency of sexual thoughts, fantasies, and activities, as well as willingness to sleep with someone after different lengths of time for 827 women. The subjects were drawn from a database of college students who had volunteered to be subjects of studies like this one and … Craigslist. The respondents were grouped into three categories: “fertile” women, aged 18-26 (of which there were 554), women in the age range of declining fertility, aged 27-45 (222 subjects) and menopausal women 46 and older (51 subjects). The age groups are arbitrary, based on population averages, and the number of women in the menopausal group is a little low for my taste, but the approximations are likely to show aggregate differences, which is all this particular study is interested in. The study also explicitly excluded women who did not identify as heterosexual. The results indicated that women in the declining fertility group spent more time thinking about sex and fantasized more than women in either other group. They also reported more intense fantasies and higher frequency of sexual activity than the high-fertility group, although the menopausal group had comparable results for these variables. In all cases, the differences were relatively small but statistically significant. Both the 27-45 and 46+ groups reported fantasizing about their current partners only about half the time, while the under 27 group fantasized about their current partners about 73.5 percent of the time and someone else only 26.5 percent of the time. Women in the declining fertility group also reported being more likely to sleep with someone after knowing them for a short period of time (whether it was 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month) than the other groups, although the menopausal women were also more likely to consider it than the youngest group.

The authors do interpret these results in terms of evolutionary psychology — that often questionable branch of research that uses conjecture about the evolutionary past of humans to explain observed behaviors of modern humans. There are a lot of problems with evo psych — not least that it is pure conjecture, but also that it often treats human behavior as if it exists in a cultural vacuum in which the only influence is our genetic past. The evolutionary psychology explanation — that women amp up their sexual game as their fertility declines to increase their chances of conceiving (whether they consciously want to conceive or not) is not unreasonable, but it isn’t the only possible explanation for the results. As the authors themselves state, the results, “may reflect mere sexual experience increasing comfort with sexuality, and not a reproduction expediting adaptation designed to capitalize on remaining fertility.” They also note that the questionnaire did not ask women about other factors, such as hormone replacement in the menopausal women, fertility medications, or birth control, all of which can affect sex drive. Another issue I almost always have with evo psych studies is that the subjects usually all come from a single culture. The subjects for this paper were recruited from the university and the local community, so these results may turn out to be specific to western women, or possibly an even narrower group, such as middle class white women. The youngest group was primarily made up of college students, who tend to come from relatively affluent backgrounds, and the other respondents would have had to be at least well-enough off to have internet access, but there are no demographics reported in the paper, so it’s impossible to tell anything about the makeup of the study’s subjects such as race, religion, education level, financial status, etc. Such factors would ideally be accounted for in study like this. Admittedly, it’s very difficult to get a truly diverse sample in psychology studies, but the lack of such information should be kept in mind when analyzing studies like this one.

Aside from those obvious problems, the results do indicate that during the years of declining fertility women tend to be more sexual than their younger counterparts, adding to the general body of research that indicates that women become more sexual as they get older. There’s no solid evidence for a specific dramatic peak, but women do seem to become more sexually confident, if nothing else, as they age. There’s no solid evidence that this is due to an evolutionary drive to have as many babies as possible before the well runs dry, but I see no reason to completely dismiss the possibility.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

So you're saying I should stop hanging around college bars and start hanging around a T.G.I.Friday's located near a large office park?

"Girl, I can't wait to get home and pull off your Spanx with my teeth."

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 13, 2010 4:17 PM

Who wins the dumbest question EVER Award?
Tracer Bullet!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 4:21 PM

Here's how this study impacted my ex-boyfriend, when I didn't feel like making sexy time for some reason, "But you're in your sexual PEAK! You're supposed to want it more!" Ugh.

Posted by: janetfaust at July 13, 2010 4:24 PM

Holy shit, I went to high school with the first author of that paper!

Posted by: fifteenkeys at July 13, 2010 4:28 PM

Your opinion of evolutionary psychologists sounds similar to mine on cognitive archaeologists. Should the two teams get together, I assure you it would be a circle jerk of speculation. Both engage in pure conjecture wrapped up in shiny ten dollars words. The only difference is that the psych crowd has access to living, breathing subjects whose survey results they can twist to fit their hypotheses. The archaeologists just make shit up. (Wazzat? I dunno. File it as "ritual use" or "religiously significant.")

Poppycock, I say!

Posted by: Ulterior Motive Girl at July 13, 2010 4:29 PM

Nice theory, Tracer, however older women tend to have higher tolerances to alcohol and better able to control their facilities while inebriated. Thus, I believe you'd have pretty much the same chance regardless of age. Of course, when in doubt, go for the gums and gray.

Posted by: admin at July 13, 2010 4:30 PM

admin
Grown up women also don't NEED to get inebriated to be willing or open to experiencing great sex, and adult relationships. At a certain point you just don't have time to waste on a lot of bullshit. Life is too damn short.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 4:39 PM

I really think there should have been a big blank space for a scroll-down, or a "spoiler alert" type tag, or a .wav file of a drum roll, before the "Craigslist" revelation. A mere ellipsis is insufficient to properly frame that revelation.

In other news, apparently I'm in the middle of my sexual peak. I wish I was actually having more sex.

Posted by: MM at July 13, 2010 4:45 PM

I don't know about the study, but I did discover that the closer I get to menopause, the hornier I am. I can tell when I'm about to ovulate because I am the human equivalent of a cat in heat, clawing my way across the carpet with my ass in the air, yowling to get sexed up right the fuck NOW! And I've already had (and am so done having) children, so it's not a personal desire to procreate, though I grant it may be strictly a function of biology.

Okay, TMI, but every word true. My husband finds it amusing.

Posted by: Reba at July 13, 2010 4:47 PM

Reba
I love you.
That is all.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 4:51 PM

Okay, TMI, but every word true. My husband finds it amusing arousing.

Fixed.

Posted by: admin at July 13, 2010 4:52 PM

Don't these studies assume a baseline that is so generic as to be nearly useless? Yes, perhaps older women have something of a higher sex drive, but any vague age factor would have to be overriden (hee) by a whole group of contributing factors-money, health, relationship status, upbringing, cultural influences, education, diet, temperature and humidity, etc. Enough to completely muddy the water and give the study a status just above "it's on the internet" in terms of credibility. Most of these studies seem to be done soley to provide fodder for Cosmo articles and fluff pieces (hee) on local news.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at July 13, 2010 5:06 PM

I turned 37 yesterday.
{pauses for adulation and applause}

I have no problems with the general conclusions of this 'study', though surely a more carefully conducted one would be more substantial.

In short: BRING IT! Roooower.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 5:13 PM

@ Lindsey with an 'e'

In my experience, men need alcohol to last longer. Women need alcohol (or, rather, I need women to drink alcohol) so they'll make the sexy time with me.

Posted by: JH at July 13, 2010 5:18 PM

I find that if I pay up front and confine myself to the ground rules laid down by the Pimp, everything usually goes according to plan. This includes; fumbling foreplay, premature whatchamagoo, skipping round two heavy petting, awkward missionary coupled with voicing my abandonment issues, silent stare-at-the-wall release, me crying while she's getting dressed, and a trip to the Motel vending machine for a post-coitus bag of Funyuns. I win every time.

Every.
Single.
Time.

It's both expensive and lonely being me...

Posted by: Skitz at July 13, 2010 5:24 PM

Well JH, that may well be a common chain of events. I think many people in general use alcohol to lose their inhibitions and self medicate uncomfortable emotions and feelings. Lord knows I did. But 14 years on the wagon, and I have to make all MY foolish decisions unencumbered by liquid courage.
That's right. You have to impress me with YOU, not your bar tab. I am your WORST NIGHTMARE!!! Sexy, Single, and SOBER!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 5:34 PM

All I need to make the sexy time is a "willing" participant. Hey, Skitz! Does this rag smell like chloroform?

Posted by: Spender at July 13, 2010 5:34 PM

Ooooo!! Funyuns!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 5:34 PM

I'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that I am now in the age range of 'declining fertility'. This is what I needed to learn today, that I'm no longer fertile? Oh just take me out back and shoot me why don't you?

Posted by: Carrie at July 13, 2010 5:36 PM

Carrie

That is not a bad thing. Less and less chance of a SURPRISE.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 5:39 PM

Unless it's 'SURPRISE! You can no longer have children!'

I'm kidding. Slightly. Me and my withering womb are just having one of those days. Come on ovaries, chirp up, might never happen...or it might even!

Posted by: Carrie at July 13, 2010 5:54 PM

Admin and Tracer

This study just promotes going after cougars. Been doing it for years and still, older women (I'm 25) are better in every way. It's really nice to be able to have sober sex some times because lord knows if a woman is under 27 they need tanked before even remotely thinking about the sexy time. *sighs*

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 5:57 PM

Zerath
How YOU doin'? {cougar groooowl}

Yeah Tracer, take a lesson!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 6:03 PM

Che - JH is correct. Some men last longer [sexual stamina] with alchohal. While others can't finish if too much alchohal is ingested. It's a great game of "Have I had too much? Are we leaving soon? Will we ever leave? Fuck it, I'm having another. And another. Shit, she wants to have sex? Not going to happen."

Lindsey Hahah. If you were in the midwest I'd be playfully pawing back.

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 6:07 PM

Zerath
Silly boy.
1) How do you know I am NOT in the mid-west?
2) Don't be so limited in your thinking. These days the world is a very small place. Very.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 6:12 PM

mrcreosote

I'm another psych grad student at UT (in a different area) and a friend of the lead author. She has actually been shocked by the extent to which the media has picked up on this article, particularly the whole 'cougar' spin they've been putting on it since the upper group extends down to 27 year olds (oh, and she appreciates that you actually took the time to read the paper, pisaster). The authors will admit that there are many limitations to the paper, but it was conducted by very experienced researchers as a serious academic study, so the basic findings are pretty reliable.

Posted by: phaedawg at July 13, 2010 6:18 PM

Mmm, Funyuns.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at July 13, 2010 6:21 PM

Wait, what? There's a new young 'un that likes the older ladies?

How YOU doin', Zerath? *wink*

(LindsEy, I will TOTALLY fight you for this.)

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at July 13, 2010 6:24 PM

Reba, I'm 30 and I've noticed my libido go up around ovulation (and, very oddly, I sing better. Seriously, I sound like a drunk bagpipe most of the time, but that one week, I'm pitch-perfect). So if what you're saying is true, the ITGeek is going to have to take some mighty strong vitamins as I get closer to menopause.

Other than that, fuck the biological clock. It's confidence, experience and still being close enough to society's idea of 'acceptably attractive' that give the 27-45 age group the boost.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at July 13, 2010 6:26 PM

Che: Haha. Terrible 20s! It's so sad some times. The majority of my friends always give me crap about being a cougar's pet (because that's what it really is) but, it's - for the most part - always been good times. Now, the first cougar trap I fell in to was awful and the scars are there to prove it. *grumbles*

Lindsey Indeed, this guy is a silly boy. Generally, I assume women that watch movies, comment actively on a great website, and open about sex are on the East or West coast. Are you the exception to the rule in place?

(Not even ashamed to make a "He's Just Not That In To You" reference.)

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 6:26 PM

It's really nice to be able to have sober sex some times because lord knows if a woman is under 27 they need tanked before even remotely thinking about the sexy time.

Zerath and Che,
As a 26 year old woman, I would just like to say fuck you all. I sure as hell don't need to be drunk to have sex. I like sex, wish I were having more of it but there is a rather large lack of available men in my life. I definitely don't need alcohol as an excuse or a lubricant though. Other lubricants, however, are more than welcome.

Posted by: Jen K. at July 13, 2010 6:33 PM

That said, I have that Lily Allen song '22' in my head now.
When she was 22, the future looked bright
But she's nearly 30 now, and she's out every night
I see that look in her face, she's got that look in her eyes....
...All she wants is a boyfriend, she gets one night stands...

Annnd I've depressed myself.
*dramatic music, falls to knees, screams to the sky*

Science, why have you turned against me?!

Posted by: ScienceGeek at July 13, 2010 6:35 PM

aw hell, I only just now realized I used the phrase "no solid evidence" two sentences in a row. In my defense I'm still ridiculously sick and was a little feverish when I wrote this. Still...try to pretend that didn't happen.
phaedawg, one of my goals with this column is to report on what studies actually say, as opposed to what the news claims they say. I don't trust most journalists to report this stuff accurately, so I read the papers myself where possible. For the record I thought this was a pretty good study. Sure, it has some limitations, but the authors were honest about them and suggested further research directions to address them. I'm automatically more inclined to trust any scientist that does that in their publications. Plus they used real statistics and reported p values. I'm sick as hell of psych papers that don't do that. (also, I'm a nerd and would have loved to see histograms of the data, but whatever, means and standard deviations will do.)

Posted by: dr. pisaster at July 13, 2010 6:35 PM

AvB, I... I thought you and I... *runs away crying*

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 13, 2010 6:37 PM

Jen K.- I didn't say it was a fact. Just a predominent theme with my general study group. There has been several under 27 that are fantastic and have a tendency to judge other women off of. Two of which if they send a text or call, I'll travel several hours to meet them. (And I'm *really* picky especially if it requires more than 20 minutes of travel.)

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 6:45 PM

Oh, wait, 25? That's too old for me. Sorry, Z!

Optimus, baby, you *know* you're my favorite. Now come on over here and nuzzle mama's bosom....

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at July 13, 2010 6:46 PM

Zerath
Well, if you were on Facebook with the REST of the awesome people here, you would KNOW, now WOULDN'T you.

Come on to Pajibook, it is a HOOT! That goes for anyone who wants to come play over there.

Lindsey Withan'e' on FB.
I will hook you up with the crowd, I am kinda good at it.

AvB, Are you single? Hmmmmmm?
Game, Set,and Match!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 6:48 PM

Ya know, I've been trying to figure out what AvB meant and thought it was Aliens Vs Beavers for awhile now. :\

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 6:49 PM

Shhhh shhh shhh shhh, LindsEy. Shhhhh.


And sometimes it is, Z. Sometimes IT IS.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at July 13, 2010 6:51 PM

Lindsey- Touche. We'll have to see about these interweb thingies. I'll have to find the right tube to Facebook.

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 6:55 PM

Ha! Welcome to Pajibook Mr. Zerath.
Suck it, AvB!
Heee hee hee!
{She knows I love her}

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 7:11 PM

Hmmm. So basically women of ALL ages are up for it.
Ahem. Ladies over here HELLOOO!
The penis and wallet are over here!!!

Posted by: peanut at July 13, 2010 7:12 PM

Noted.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at July 13, 2010 7:13 PM

Aw, Zerath If I wasn't happily married, I'd take some time to figure out where you are. My housemate, on the other hand, has a penchant for younger men, and they seem to like her back. Don't give up on the whole region, darling. There are plenty of horny old broads in the Midwest. Smart ones, even!

ScienceGeek, you should make sure ITGeek knows what's up. When this first started happening, the husband laughed because he thought I was kidding. About the time I told him he could step up or elect a proxy, he figured out it was real.

Posted by: Reba at July 13, 2010 7:16 PM

Reba- Des Moines, IA. It doesn't take too long to find out. Nothing to hide here. *shrugs*

Lindsey- Thank you! More time sinks were needed in my life, Pajibook will be fun.

Posted by: Zerath at July 13, 2010 7:43 PM

What about the 45-pluses that AREN'T in menopause? That haven't yet had the first inklings of menopause?

Damn. I'm feeling totally underrepresented.

Personally, I think it's just a matter of practice making perfect. We're not subconsciously worried about not having more babies, we just finally figured out how to trigger the reward system more consistently.

At least, in theory, 'cause in reality, I'm too old for the dating bullshit. Pass the Funyuns, Skitz.

Posted by: Wednesday at July 13, 2010 8:20 PM

So....in these comments we're talking about both abilities AND desire?

Because yeah, my ability and confidence are so far beyond where they were in my 20s, it's ridiculous.

(I will be 40 in....a few months.)

But desire is a completely different animal.

I have a couple of other issues with the study and I wonder if they were addressed as possible limitations to the conclusions:

1. Women knowing about the idea that they are supposed to be at their sexual peak sometime in their 30s. I think you alluded to this, Doctor P. Just knowing they are "supposed" to be hitting their peak could, of course, affect their responses.

2. Besides birth control pills, etc, what about anti-depressants and other medications with known effects on sexual desire and performance? Were these asked about and accounted for among the subjects?

The commonly accepted idea that women in their mid- to late-30s are hitting their sexual peak (which I guess means wanting it all the time? And increased ability? Or just the first? Or both?) is quite a monkey to have on your back when you get to that age and discover that you have not, indeed, reverted to the horniness level of a 13 year old boy.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at July 13, 2010 9:03 PM

Wait, age 27 is the start of declining fertility? It's bad enough my own father told me I was a "late bloomer" for getting married at 27 (!), but now I'm drying up inside? Faaaaaantastic.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at July 13, 2010 9:48 PM

I wouldn't worry too much, Mel, it's usually a slow death.

Posted by: dr. pisaster at July 13, 2010 9:55 PM

Hee, well, now I feel better, Dr. :p

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at July 13, 2010 10:02 PM

Srsly, Mel, aside from a recent loss of ....shall we say, "appetite," which I believe is largely due to some weight gain on my part, I'm nearly 40 and still going strong. You're good to go for quite some time yet. No worries, dearie.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at July 13, 2010 10:46 PM

Wednesday, I only think I'm approaching it because they tell me I am. Repeatedly. Thus far, I haven't even seen any road signs for menopause, much less actual landmarks, and I turn 47 next month.

Posted by: Reba at July 14, 2010 12:17 AM

Oh, and Mel? I didn't marry until 29, had my first baby at 31 and my second at 33. You have plenty of time. Enjoy marriage first. Enjoy it a LOT. Sleep, too. You never realize how awesome it is until you have to wake up every couple of hours.

Posted by: Reba at July 14, 2010 12:27 AM

I just turned 40. Who wants some?

Posted by: Viking at July 14, 2010 12:37 AM

Wait, so they only used heterosexual women because to do so otherwise would blow their whole theory about it being linked to fertility?
I'm serious, would that have made their theory seem out of whack, so they just said "don't look at that part"?

Posted by: MyySharona at July 14, 2010 1:27 AM

I wondered that, too. Plenty of lesbians want to (and do!) have babies, and since the assumption is that the biological time clock is... well, biological, there's no reason to exclude lesbian women simply because they direct their increased sexual urges at same sex partners.

Posted by: Reba at July 14, 2010 11:05 AM

I always found stress to be the biggest factor in my sexual drive. In my early 20's there were so few reasons for me to be stressed out (no husband or kids or career yet) that sex was fun and easy. Add to that the fact that I was still learning how to do it so I would enjoy it as much as my partner made it even more exciting. In my 30's the stress level seemed to hit it's peak and sexual desire just got harder to muster up. Spending your days trying to balance the demands of motherhood (I mean the housework alone was a full time job) and have a career made me a strong albeit unsexy woman. Now that I've hit my 40's my kids are grown and almost moved out, my career is stable, and I've got my husband pretty much house trained my stress level's have gone back down and my sexual drive has rebounded nicely (with a vengance actually),that and the fact that I now know how to maximize my own pleasure just makes for the perfect storm of sexiness.

Posted by: Phat girl at July 14, 2010 2:14 PM

I've just turned 30 and damn, am I up for it CONSTANTLY. But I really, really can not stand children and don't ever want any so I question the whole declining fertility explanation.

I think when I was in my early 20's I had a problem most women have. Regardless of how attractive you actually are, you never feel attractive enough. Strangely enough, when I stopped reading Cosmo and lost the will to devote a substantial part of my life to following fashion or caring about models and celebrities, my internal sex monologue also stopped. You know, one that tells you to lie a certain way so he can't see a speck of cellulite or going through the "10 Things Guaranteed To Drive Him Wild!!!" checklist rather than relaxing and enjoying youself?

So basically getting older has led me to be more apathetic about vapid crap and hence more comfortable with the sexy time. Getting older rocks.

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