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Sex Talk: You Can Be Dirty without Being "Unclean"

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (14)



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There’s a Bust article from earlier in the year (I think the September issue, but the website with the excerpt claims it’s from September 2011 which would actually make it from the future and I am pretty sure the web hasn’t made time travel possible yet) about a site dedicated to curing women of masturbation and porn addiction that’s been generating some attention on the web this past week (because sometimes the internet likes to dredge up things). The site does not exactly come off looking very good in the profile. The stated goal of the website is to help women struggling with porn addiction and masturbation, which in and of itself isn’t necessarily a bad thing - there will always be people of both sexes who take things (sexual or otherwise) to extremes that cause them discomfort and those people should be free to seek help in whatever way makes them comfortable, even if some of us think that their approach is extreme. The problem with the Dirty Girls site is that it seems to take a completely sex-negative approach. In a comment on the site’s blog about the Bust article, the site’s founder insists that it is “so completely false,” that the site is “on a crusade against female masturbation.” Rather, she informs us, they, “speak out against any behaviors that promote lust and that have become unmanageable.” The unmanageable I can get behind, the “promotes lust,” bit gives me some pause. The Bust article describes the site as a Christian one which discourages women from engaging in any form of sexual thought, “even within marriage—unless those thoughts are about your husband while you are engaging in intercourse with him.” In other words, the idea it’s promoting is one of a very limited, very specific type of sexuality. A deeper look at the site demonstrates that this characterization is actually … totally and completely fair.

The Dirty Girls Ministry utilizes both an online forum and streaming-video counseling program to help women deal with “addictive” sexual behavior. What counts as addictive sexual behavior, unfortunately, is pretty much any form that doesn’t involve a man to whom the woman is legally married. Even moderate porn use (as in about twice a week) is considered a sign of addiction, and members are encouraged to forgo masturbation completely, as if self-pleasure were equivalent to an alcohol addiction (in some very very rare cases this may be true, but in those cases a mental health professional is a better option than self-taught repression). The site is indeed Christian, and the women who avail themselves of the ministry do so, it seems, largely because they believe they do not fit the Christian ideal of female sexuality. While the culture at large has become more accepting of sexuality in general and women’s sexuality in particular, there are some sects of Christianity (though it must be said, not all of them) that take an especially harsh approach to controlling people’s sexual desires. The Dirty Girls site seems to have grown out of that attitude that sexuality is almost always inherently sinful.

The women who seek out the site do so for a variety of reasons. There are those who have genuinely compulsive behavior that they could no doubt use treatment for (ideally sex-positive treatment). There are also some who clearly have used sex as a means for attention or as self-medication for self-esteem issues in the past, who have swung the other way and decided that restricting their sexuality is the best approach, as opposed to finding a healthy way to express. But there are also those who use pornography and masturbation as means of dealing with past traumas. For these women, the choice to suppress their sexuality seems all the more tragic, as it implies that they’ve internalized the guilt for what they’ve suffered. There are also women who have homosexual desires that they believe are signs of internal sins that must be eradicated, rather than a part of themselves that is perfectly normal and acceptable. One women poignantly describes herself on the site’s blog as fundamentally unclean, saying “I will always be dirty. In reality. My cleanliness has NOTHING to do with what I watch or don’t watch. It has everything to do with the condition of my heart. My heart, when left on its own, will drift back to dirty.” I cannot think of any situation where such an attitude could be considered healthy, and that anyone would encourage people to think this way about themselves is heartbreaking, although I recognize that the people running the site are themselves victims of a cultural negativity towards women’s sexuality.

The Dirty Girls site is gathering attention because it focuses on limiting women’s sexuality at a time when women are finally being allowed and even encouraged to own their sexuality. The website caters to women, because women are “underserved,” in the realm of treatment for perceived sexual addiction, but the core values are not just against women’s enjoyment of sex (outside of the marital bed) but of everyone’s enjoyment of it. The difference between this site and other’s like it that are aimed at men is that it carries with it the weight of a long history of sexual oppression of women. The virgin/whore dichotomy is still a strong one in our culture. Women are expected to be sexual gatekeepers, controlling both their own and men’s sexual behaviors. Presumably this is easier for women because women “enjoy,” sex less. This belief, unfortunately, adds an additional level of guilt and feelings of being somehow “wrong,” to women who experience strong sexual desires. I suspect the creator of the Dirty Girls site, Crystal Renaud, genuinely means well, but telling these women that yes, their desires are unnatural and need to be excised, as if sexuality was a minor flaw to be worked away and not an immutable part of a person’s identity does them a horrible disservice.

Unfortunately, until the conservative Christian community learns to accept the full range of human sexual desire as natural and fine, too many women will seek this route rather than looking for a more sex-positive approach to dealing with their issues.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.










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Comments

Hmmm....a little insight from one who has walked on the other side. I was trained as a minister at a very conservative seminary, which ironically led to my questioning the faith of my childhood.

The idea that, "My heart, when left on its own, will drift back to dirty," is deeply rooted in a Calvinist view of the human condition. The first point of Calvinism's TULIP theology (i.e., the 'T') is "Man(kind) is totally depraved". I.e., that our need for salvation is because our hearts/spirits are fundamentally sinful from birth as a result of the Fall of Man.

Starting with this as the basis for one's worldview, it isn't hard to make the leap that if I am fundamentally corrupt in all I feel, think, and do, then when I experience sexual feelings those must naturally eminate from that depraved basis. It is in the context of this very limited worldview that the above statement makes sense.

Of course there are many more issues that this raises, but if one is just trying to understand what seems a legitimately wacked statement, one has to understand the context in which it was given.

Posted by: NateS1973 at August 24, 2011 12:44 PM

err....whacked...curse the lack of spellcheckers.

Posted by: NateS1973 at August 24, 2011 12:45 PM

Please tell me this is a hoax. A website for suppressing women's sexuality that is actually called "Dirty Girls"? Because not only is the whole message of the site depressing and ass-backwards; the existence of said site means that someone is so totally naive and clueless as to give a purity website the title of 50% of porn flicks out there.

What's next, a father/daughter purity ball website called "Who's Your Daddy?"

Posted by: Donut Plains at August 24, 2011 12:45 PM

"Fundamentalism is the belief that somewhere, someone is having fun ... and must be stopped at all costs."

Some of the tactics used by these God-botherers (of whatever stripe - doesn't matter if it's Jehovah, Allah, or Ahuramazda) are reprehensible and little short of cultlike.

Posted by: The Wanderer at August 24, 2011 12:52 PM

The notion (and I'm pretty sure this is a Christian thing--please correct me if I'm wrong) that sex is 'dirty' is the beginning, middle and end of the problem. How can you have an objective outlook on what is healthy or not if you think the concept of sex is unclean or wrong?

Posted by: Girl with Curious Hair at August 24, 2011 1:01 PM

I was born and raised a Catholic. I went to a conservative Catholic school run by nuns. Despite being very lapsed, despite the fact that I eventually became a progressive humanist who went to a hippie dippie liberal arts school and should know better, I still find it difficult to experience sexuality without feelings of guilt and shame. The fact that I'm a gay male doesn't help.

Posted by: Freller at August 24, 2011 1:44 PM

I've spent over 13 years trying to help my Catholic-raised wife get over those feeling. It's frustrating as all hell but excruciatingly so when the one you're intimate with judges you based on the same criteria she was raised with.

Posted by: name witheld at August 24, 2011 1:48 PM

This actually makes my heart hurt. I spent two years trying to repress my sexuality for a boyfriend who screamed at me, menaced me, threatened me, manipulated me, and hit me. Two years trying not to want sex because it wasn't safe. The guilt I felt for not being able to do it was immense, and only now, over a year later, am I really getting back to having a healthy sexuality.

The people who helped me get here? Kinky queer sex-positive folks. Those dirty fucked up freaks (and I am one of them, make no mistake) are the most accepting and loving community I have ever found.

Posted by: That Girl at August 24, 2011 1:53 PM

I've been known to cure female sex addicts.

I wasn't TRYING to.

*sigh*

Posted by: , at August 25, 2011 12:42 AM

I have never been able to figure out why people think God would give us the ability to experience enormous pleasure and then expect that we not use it.

Posted by: Reba at August 25, 2011 11:24 AM

For some reason, this made me think about a website I stumbled upon called ChristianNymphos.org. While this is a site that only promotes sex inside marriage, it is actually PRO masturbation. It also provides step by step oral sex guides, tips on anal sex, and even advice on rimming. So many in the church believe that certain sexual activities are sinful, even between a husband and wife. Bravo Christian Nymphos for telling the Christians to get their freak on!

Posted by: superEdna at August 27, 2011 2:25 AM

I guess I'm an apologist of sorts

To understand the modern Christian world and it's stances on issues like personal sexual choices you have to read Jesus, as well as some of his main guys (Peter Paul etc.) and get a feel for the what they actually said. Cuz things have changed quite a bit since they established "the gospel".

Even before he died Jesus told his followers that his new little church was going to be corrupted. He warned them again after he was resurrected. Many of the letters or epistles found in the latter part of the new testament warn of this corruption.

Power Corrupts
Christianity today is a web of churches fractured over centuries into a million diverse ideologies. The fracturing started as legit christian church leaders were killed off or died. Men quickly figured out that power and influence over people is awesome. And being the local religious leader gave you power. Hence the famous quote from Lord Acton "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.". As men became 'great' in the church, the more the church was corrupted.

A View on Marriage
The original teachings of Jesus promote men and women respecting God, respecting each other, and respecting their own body. We're supposed to marry to provide a stable emotional and physical environment for our children. Incidentally, a byproduct of stable marriages is a stable society. Fathers are supposed to teach their children obedience, respect, and service (among other things). Mothers are supposed to teach their children compassion, perseverance, and faith (also among other things). This self control and joining of people was so important that it was done by covenant; a 3 way promise between the spouses and God.

Posted by: Bryan at September 2, 2011 12:44 AM

'Transmogrification'
So knowing that God thought highly of marriage, it's easy to see how the idea of "NO DIVORCE, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!" could easily replace that original, eternal, and happines-centered union as a part of "Christian" dogma; Considering that before 200 years had passed from Christs resurrection, all sorts of greedy, corrupt putzes were in power in the Christian Churches. This is an example of a good doctrine, intended to bring people happiness, became corrupt and caused all sorts of problems and heartbreak (and, quite frankly, verbal, emotional, and physical abuse). Most of Christ's doctrines underwent similar 'transmogrifications'.


Sex is Natural
Sex is natural. The desire to have sex in natural. It is part of our natural "corrupt" being (our physical bodies). But, more importantly, it's also part of our natural "spiritual" being (our spirits that come from God). As far as I can understand it, God didn't tell Adam to never think about sex nor should he feel guilty for wanting sex, rather He told him be fruitful and multiply. The stipulation being that his sexuality be centered on his wife. Sex is supposed to strengthen the family by joining together the parents.

There's a difference between those sources of desire though. Our spiritual being desires to have sex with, and forever be with (or bond with), our spouse. It is our natural being that wants to have sex with everyone else. Both are "natural" but only getting down and dirty with our spouse can fulfill us. (and hey, bonus: *it's encouraged*)

We Chose who we are, Even if its Hard
God only rewards us for choosing ONE of these options. So it is sad to see that most of the Christian world has such F*ed up ideas about sex. (Really? I shouldn't think about getting it on with my wife? But dude, she's MY wife!)But it's also sad to see that "worldly" women (and men!) have such F*ed up ideas about sex as well. Do we really feel that it's okay to have sex with every /any hot person that comes along?! How does that help us in anyway?

Women, do you feel fulfilled after your latest one night stand doesn't answer your calls? What, you think your fake orgasms were more special than the orgasms tonights girl will put on for him?

Men, do you really feel awesome about yourself knowing you're just another pony in the stall (metaphorically speaking). (By the way, you weren't the best she ever had, that was the 4 mojitos and 3 shots of Vodka shouting at you)

Posted by: bryan at September 2, 2011 12:45 AM

I am incessantly thought about this, thanks for putting up.

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