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Men Have Complex Sex Drives Too, but Nobody Cares

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (40)



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It’s interesting to note not only what kinds of studies about sex get published, but which of those studies get reported on in the general media. News agencies tend to rely heavily on a couple of journals as sources for sex news and they tend to focus on articles that fall under a certain category. You may have noticed that there’s a flurry of sex stories about once every two months. That’s because the main go-to journal for sex science, The Archives of Sexual Behavior, is published bi-monthly. If you actually look at the articles in Archives and the other major sex journal (at least as judged by media attention), The Journal of Sexual Medicine, you’ll notice that they feature a lot of articles on “men who have sex with men.” And yet, these articles rarely make it into the pop culture sphere. Articles of female sexuality, on the other hand, are frequently picked up and written about on blogs and news sites. Women’s sexuality is a major focus of a lot of research, since we’re considered “more complicated,” and the general public is always greedy for any tidbit about the weird and alien world of female sex drives. There’s less interest in the seemingly endless line of studies on homosexual male behavior.

Scientific articles on heterosexual male sexuality - with the exception of erectile dysfunction studies - are few and far between in these journals. Which makes it all the more frustrating when a study that focuses on male sexuality from a psychological perspective is virtually ignored by the media. Take, for example, this nice little study in last month’s Journal of Sexual Medicine, titled “Biopsychosocial determinants of male sex drive.” A team of Portuguese researchers decided to not assume that men are all body and no brain when it comes to sex and looked at the relationships between various psychological and social factors and the sex drives of 205 men. The results won’t surprising to anyone who believes men can be just as varied and complicated as women, but it’s nice to see a study that treats male sexuality as something affected by a complicated interplay of factors rather than simply, “Penis. Hole. Good.”

The study looked at a group of men from the general population. The mean age was 35 and all participants were in relationships (the study also restricted itself to heterosexual men). They were given questionnaires that assessed their sexual function (as determined by erectile function, orgasmic function, sexual desire, intercourse satisfaction, and overall sexual satisfaction) and the effects of various factors on said function. These factors included their attitudes toward sex, their thoughts and emotions during sexual activity, their relationship quality, and their medical condition. The researchers found that the best predictors of sexual desire in men were cognitive. Restrictive beliefs about sex negatively impacted desire, as did a lack of erotic thoughts and worries about erectile function during sex itself. Relationship quality, age, and medical factors were not found to have any direct impact on men’s sex drive, although they did find that these factors could interact with others to affect sex drive - for example medical concerns correlated with worry about erectile function and age correlated with negative attitudes to sex.

I know there are those among our commenters who like to assume that all men are the same and want the same things during sex, as well as those who understandably find that attitude offensive (Hi Jay!). This study only looked at a limited number of factors and doesn’t necessarily give us in depth understanding of how social and psychological factors affect men’s sexuality, but it does indicate that these factors may be just as important to men’s sexuality as purely physical ones. The very attitude that men will fuck anything that’s available and enjoy sex more than women is based largely on cultural stereotypes (which produce men who feel they need to live up to said stereotypes - hi Pookie! - which in turn gives people who are inclined to believe the stereotypes the impression that the behavior is indeed biological, creating a feedback loop in which the stereotypes and learned behavior constantly reinforce each other). I find the ways in which the study found that men’s thoughts during sex affected their sex drives particularly interesting. Men who don’t have erotic thoughts during sex - who, for instance, are completely focused on being manly men with manly, long-lasting erections - have lower sex drives. When sex is about performing a specific role as dictated by society rather than a potentially mutually pleasurable encounter, men enjoy it less, just as women do. The idea that sexual enjoyment is rooted in the brain is widely accepted for women but for some reason we assume that all men need is a physical sensation. It’s much more reasonable to expect that both factors play into how men and women enjoy sex.

There are plenty of factors not discussed in this particular paper that I’d be interested in seeing studied. How men rate their sex drives in relation to how attracted to their partner they are, for example. Or what exactly constitutes “erotic thoughts.” It would also be interesting to see how these factors affect single men and homosexual men. I’d especially be interested to see how men in different cultural climates behave. This is an understudied aspect of human sexuality and I hope to see more studies along these lines in the future, though I won’t expect to see them reported on. Men, on average, may get off easier. Men, on average, may require less foreplay. But men, on average, are also complex human beings (just like us ladies!), who require more than just a hard-on and something warm to stick it in. But nobody wants to report on that for some reason.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

Men basically have one sexual fantasy:
that women would actually want to have sex with us.

Posted by: Odnon at April 20, 2011 5:10 PM

Meh, it's my opinion that women get the press because women are the consumers.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 20, 2011 5:12 PM

All I know is that you better make a move or else women will think you are gay. Not there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: junierizzle at April 20, 2011 5:34 PM

My sexual fantasies are usually kept on a list; fetishes are a shorter category. I will elaborate, but only if pressed on the subject.

The most sexual organ in any human being, male or female, is located between the ears. People can sexualize anything - Richard Hammond on Top Gear sounded as if he had an orgasm at the sight of the Zonda Cinque.

Posted by: The Wanderer at April 20, 2011 5:46 PM

From my experience, the consequence of a man feeling intimidated, nervous and/or insecure, has inevitably lead to the inability to maintain an erection. (I've only ever been a serial monogamist, so I guess...it's my fault for being more attracted to a certain type of guy?) When I was young I thought it was my fault. It has always seemed to me that in order for sex to be good...or at least decent, it takes time to trust each other (or rather for him to accept that "this never happens to me.." is no longer a suitable go to) which is why I've always been confused about what pleasure women derived from casual sex. In my mid-twenties now, and I've begun to realize that this isn't...necessarily how most guys are. And i suppose that helps in the battle with complacency.

Posted by: beet salad at April 20, 2011 6:27 PM

I suppose I'd be terribly indiscreet in elaborating on this, but suffice to say it's great to discover you can be even more complex and varied than you thought!

Posted by: Jay at April 20, 2011 6:48 PM

Maybe it's a consequence of being a middle aged white guy, but my impression is that the one person the entire world could care less about is the middle aged white guy.

And yeah, I realize the irony of an old white male complaining about discrimination, but the fact is that we, as a group, are one of the few who the world is still allowed to crap on.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 20, 2011 7:03 PM

The reason people (men and women) think that men aren't sexually complex is because MEN THEMSELVES say it ALL THE TIME. Everywhere. On TV, in movies, in magazines and newspapers, on the intertubes, in real life.

"Men aren't complicated, they just want ___________." The blank being the same relatively small number of things men say they want (as opposed to the supposedly gigantic number of things women demand). Sex, a blowjob, steak and a blowjob, a sammich, a naked woman, several naked women, twins, any woman who will have sex with them.

Men constantly and consistently claim that all they need to be happy sexually is one or two very simple things. Because they're so very easy-going and undemanding, you see, compared to the womenfolk. So men really have only themselves to blame for our belief that they are simple, uncomplicated creatures who have only to see boobs and/or a vagina and they're ready to go.*

* Obviously, applies only to the heteros. I guess the homosexual men would prefer a muscular young man in this scenario.

Posted by: Slash at April 20, 2011 7:27 PM

The world doesn't crap on middle aged white guys. They just don't feel sorry for them. And rightfully so. And considering how much of the world middle aged white guys SPECIFICALLY have screwed up, I think we should just calm down. Exxon Valdez? Middle aged white guy. BP platform? Middle aged white guys. Wall Street? OVERWHELMINGLY middle aged white guys. Serial killers? Middle aged white guys with the middle name Wayne. Crusades? Middle aged white guys. The popularity of Justin Bieber? Not what you think-it's secretly middle aged white guys. The fact that Aerosmith is still touring? Well you know where I stand there. I'm not apologizing here, I'm just saying there is some blame to be spread around. Two words people Glenn Beck.

That being said, the male sexual experience is wide and varied. At least judging by the many aisles of porn that middle aged white guys peruse. While not looking each other in the eye.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 20, 2011 7:32 PM

Speaking of the sex drive's being rooted in the brain, this header pic just put me off for, probably, weeks.

Posted by: Salieri2 at April 20, 2011 7:33 PM

I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everybody listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are.

Posted by: Homer Simpson at April 20, 2011 7:38 PM

Maybe it's a consequence of being a middle aged white guy, but my impression is that the one person the entire world could care less about is the middle aged white guy.

And yeah, I realize the irony of an old white male complaining about discrimination, but the fact is that we, as a group, are one of the few who the world is still allowed to crap on.

Depends upon which class of middle-aged white guy you happen to fall into...

Posted by: strife at April 20, 2011 7:50 PM

Men basically have one sexual fantasy:
that women would actually want to have sex with us.

Posted by: Odnon at April 20, 2011 5:10 PM

And since that's generally not true, at least we have porn. Well, it's cheaper than dating.
~~~

Posted by: Meander at April 20, 2011 9:11 PM

"Speaking of the sex drive's being rooted in the brain, this header pic just put me off for, probably, weeks. "

Not to get too uh informative, but NO. Just NO. I can smell the Axe and desperation from here. Just. F'ing NO.

I'll tell my husband to blame Pajiba.

Posted by: klingonfree at April 20, 2011 9:52 PM

Posted by: Slash at April 20, 2011 7:27 PM

This whole argument is utter bullshit. "It's your fault that we think of you this way!" It's perception driving image driving perception into one big perpetual cycle. Not all men say that, just like in so many other Dirty Talk columns talk about the bullshit myth that all women are the brakes and all men are the accelerator when it comes to sex.

Men constantly and consistently claim that all they need to be happy sexually is one or two very simple things. Because they're so very easy-going and undemanding, you see, compared to the womenfolk.

Congratulations on buying into the bravado stereotype. If we men say it, then obviously it must be true. Why on Earth would anyone ever lie about their libido, right?

Posted by: branded at April 20, 2011 9:55 PM

"The world doesn't crap on middle aged white guys. They just don't feel sorry for them. And rightfully so."

For that, Mrcreosote gets 500 pleasure points and a bonus spank.

I used to be in the "Men are ALL the same ALL the time!" camp, but I've learned to experience each man as an individual after I graduated from college, just I like would want to be. When it comes to attraction and relationships (in adults), one thing I've found to be so invariably true: if he wants to be with you, he'll act like it. If he doesn't act like it, move it right along and stop wasting your time. I don't know why, but my homegirls are always asking me for sex, dating and relationship advice. I generally have no clue, except for the above.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at April 20, 2011 10:41 PM

so, your saying this study pointed toward the possibility that men might be sentient lifeforms?

well, gippety, the great leap forward.

next those scientists will start wondering if we care about stuff, if we are capable of bonding with our children, soon they may even investigate whether we are capable of looking after ourselves.

Posted by: idleprimate at April 20, 2011 11:40 PM

Just to follow on branded's point: bravado/bluster tends to be the main way in which guys discuss sex. It's how we're trained/reared. Short of the one birds-bees talk we might get from dad, the majority of our sexual knowledge comes from bluster spoken amidst our young friends. It's the blind leading the blind.

And that doesn't go away because, as men, we continue to think that discussion of sex that doesn't involve our abilities as sexual conquerors is unwarranted/unneeded.

Pisaster, the reason why the majority of studies reported are about women is because the women's magazine empire needs them to justify their inanities and fill their issues.

Posted by: Fredo at April 21, 2011 12:12 AM

It always baffles me that people think - or believe the tripe - that men are "simple" beings. No, men are human beings, which means they have just as many neurons firing in regards to shit that matters to them as women do. Having done my own, non-scientific, sampling in my youth, I can attest that actually liking a person, desiring them, finding them funny or smart or talented, is just as much of a turn on for most guys as it is for most women.

Posted by: Reba at April 21, 2011 12:20 AM

I didn't say we didn't deserve it or we were the only ones getting crapped on, I said we're the only ones everyone is allowed to crap on with no social or political consequences. And you prove my point with your crappy guilt-by-association argument.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 1:41 AM

And no fucking no. If all I needed was a vagina and a willing host, I wouldn't have any problems. I've had way too many opportunities to plug lil Guy into ugly, desperate women, whom, yes, I turned down. One cruise through Myspace/Yahoo/Facebook/Tagged/Match/Cupid and you can clearly see the teaming multitude of marginally Quasimodo availables to see that no, not every man willingly puts his pecker into anything that will let him.
Call it shallow if you like. Truth is scary. People, yes even men, prefer to have sex with attractive and hopefully sane people. Even a man can make the determination that this person, even though she has a vagina, is bat-shit crazy, or her fat rolls hang so far over her waistband that it's not a muffintop anymore, its like her hips are wearing a toque and is therefore a lazy slob. Even a man can determine whether the person attached to said vagina is a vacuous hole of need or if she's a well-grounded, intelligent person with a conscience.
Even men are picky. Even men need intellectual stimulation to get it up consistently. Even men, instinctively or actively seek out their "match" and our mental checklist is much longer than 1. female 2. pussy.

Personally, I think too many get their impressions of what men want or need from stand-up comics. Yes, I like sex, and a sandwich after sex is awesome. Maybe some shut-the-hell-up and some tv afterwards. But you know what else I like? A woman who tells me what she enjoys and asks what I would enjoy. A woman who appreciates the fact that my idea of a perfect night is two hours of foreplay and 3 or 4 orgasms for her before I'm done. A woman who understands that men like myself enjoy a nap after sex, not planning next saturday with the in-laws. A woman who understands that I don't get my information on women's sexuality from Maxim and they shouldn't rely on Cosmopolitan for theirs.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 2:09 AM

Dear Mr Idleprimate:

I absolutely adore you. I always look for, and enjoy, your comments. This time, however, I gotta say something.

I spent 20 years in the Navy, and the past year selling computers at a big box storem I'm obviously pretty old, and have had many years of experience (including two wretched marriages) dealing with men.

Your people do, indeed, spend an inordinate amount of time portraying yourselves as pretty base life forms. I'm just going to ask that all following statments be prefaced with "in my experience", k? You portray yourselves as being essentially without emotion that is not directly related to which team won what game. You barely know the names of your own children, much less their birthdays. You will, indeed, bang just about anything with a pulse. You whine and complain that women are snotty bitches, yet the only women you deem worthy of your attention are the sme 5 snotty bitches everyone else wants because they're hot.
Sigh. I freely admit that my experriences have been somewhat limited in that I have spent most of my adult life around military men, but is the average civilian so different? Or am I really jut that wrong?

And kindly forgive any typos as I am thunbing this on a blackberry.

Posted by: gilly at April 21, 2011 2:23 AM

{winks at protoguy}
How YOU doin?

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at April 21, 2011 2:49 AM

XD Single, Lindsey, and here's why:

Gilly: While I understand that you prefaced your statements, I can only say that you are as bad at choosing dudes and I am at choosing women, apparently. I will say that it sounds like what I've complained about with women my whole life - women cry about the losers they've been with while continuing to go after the same type of guys.

I've no doubt guys do the same thing, but in my case, my ex-wife was dumb as a box of rocks, so I was determined to avoid much of the same problems I had by dating someone brilliant. 2 Masters and a PhD in Sociology. I forgot about the crazy. My next serious relationship was also very smart. 2 Masters in Chemistry and working on a PhD in Microbiology. Also crazy. Aspberger's crazy.

I raised my daughter as a single father because her mother couldn't be bothered to do anything for her birthday or any day because she's a narcissistic psycho drunk bitch who is still married to her pedophile husband. Actually left all our daughter's belongings in a box on the driveway, including the xmas gift my kid had given her. And that's the least horrible thing she did to my daughter.
I'm still friends with the first brilliant one because she was a good step-mother to my daughter, but the second brilliant one left me because I wouldn't cut all ties to the first brilliant one. The only ties I still had were the ties my daughter had with her as her only 'real' mother. She lost her real mother, I wasn't going to take away her pseudo-mother because this crazy bitch can't handle not being in control.
My high school ex called me out of the blue a couple of years ago and told me she was separated and wanted to hook up. Turns out she wasn't separated and too stupid to know that she shouldn't use her credit card to reserve that nice hotel room.

And still I wouldn't stoop to saying "You are all crazy, selfish bitches" even though "in my experience" you are all fucking crazy, selfish bitches who think of no one but themselves.

I'm willing to admit that I made poor choices, but at least I made choices rather than simply settling for the same person over and over.

That being said; a/s/l Lindsey? :D

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 3:33 AM

Dang. Here's me thinking that everyone was a unique and beautiful snowflake. Guess I'm not my fucking khakis.

Posted by: zeke the pig at April 21, 2011 4:45 AM

Not that Asbperger's is crazy. as always, its more complicated than that

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 4:59 AM

Stupid argument? That wasn't even my stupidest argument today. That would be the argument that Boner in Growing Pains actually represents the Devil. You probably don't want to know.

Look, men are more complicated than portrayed. I think that's somewhat obvious. But Proto, in my own admittedly biased opinion, people do in fact have a type they tend to gravitate to. Having watched my father go through a huge number of relationships that failed more spectactularly than my previous attempt at humor, I think it's not so much that all women are crazy, or selfish, just women who would date him.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 21, 2011 6:34 AM

Protoguy,

So all the women you've been with ended up being crazy and possessive, but you say you haven't settled "for the same person over and over?" Yes. Yes you have. A person's education level or job or income level does not constitute "different" people. What you need to do is work on your Crazy Lady detector. Realize you have a weakness for them and recognize the triggers. Did she get too drunk on one of your first dates? Is she totally confused about why men have broken up with her in the past? Does she get irrationally worked up over little irritations? These are all examples of RED FLAGS, especially if they happen early in the relationship when you're on your best behavior. I've seen them all and the women always turn out weird.

So while I feel bad for your daughter and her future with a shitty mother, I REALLY hope you can find a way to steer clear of lunatics for both your sakes. Listen to your gut. It does not, in fact, have shit for brains.

Posted by: Kballs at April 21, 2011 8:38 AM

Once again, please forgive blackberry typos.

Dear Proto -
I am sorry for your horrible experiences, I really am. No one should have to go through that.

My personal dating and marrige experiences have little to nothing to do with the types of behaviors I described - not even I would say that EVERY single man is a hopeless dog. The men of whom I speak were friends and co+workers, and over a 20 year military career I had the opportunity to observe these behaviors in literally hundreds oof men.
And, sadly, I've thrown in the towel too.

Posted by: gilly at April 21, 2011 8:55 AM

RE branded: "Congratulations on buying into the bravado stereotype. If we men say it, then obviously it must be true. Why on Earth would anyone ever lie about their libido, right?"

So ... men, who also constantly claim that they (specifically in marked contrast to women) always say what they mean, are not to be believed when they say something?

Men don't get to be the "rational" ones but then claim the same privilege women supposedly do - to say one thing but mean another. Make up your minds. If you yourself always clearly and definitively say what you mean, cool. But not everybody with a penis does. Obviously.

I don't believe everything men say, just observed that men themselves say these things, all the time. And I'm sure (and assumed everyone understood) that there are exceptions. But your implication that men don't do this (claim they have simple needs when it comes to sex) is what's utter bullshit. Maybe you don't do it, but you're not all men. Your view doesn't represent all of them any more than mine does.

I suspect men don't want to appear to be "complicated" because being "complicated" (read: emotional) is a womanish thing. Men have always described women as crazy, irrational, etc. Basically, that women are always emotionally and psychologically imbalanced, one bad day away from a nervous breakdown, unreliable, etc. Because of all those girly emotions. Emotions that men don't have, apparently.

Many men don't want to cop to having any emotions other than content, horny or angry (always justifiably angry, of course, unlike women). Because having emotions is a chick thing. I guess you didn't get that memo. You should contact the International Men's League and ask them to update their email list.

Posted by: Slash at April 21, 2011 11:09 AM

Posted by: Slash at April 21, 2011 11:09 AM

Nowhere did I say or imply that men don't ever oversimplify. My overall point mimics exactly what the article is saying in "Men, on average, may get off easier. Men, on average, may require less foreplay. But men, on average, are also complex human beings (just like us ladies!), who require more than just a hard-on and something warm to stick it in."

Men, in general, have no more a claim than women, in general, to being "rational". I'm not saying that the stereotypes don't exist. What I am saying is that I don't think you help anything when you cast blame based on the go-to comedic material from "According to Jim".

Posted by: branded at April 21, 2011 12:06 PM

@Slash

This. I was just talking with a guy who regularly uses the phrase "don't get all crazy", and who REALLY didn't appreciate that phrase being used back at him. Because only girls get crazy. Duh.

Posted by: mae at April 21, 2011 1:49 PM

Enjoyed this one and the conversation it inspired!

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 21, 2011 3:31 PM

Protoguy I spotted your problem:

A woman who appreciates the fact that my idea of a perfect night is two hours of foreplay and 3 or 4 orgasms for her before I'm done.

Damn, dude. I've got shit to do.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at April 21, 2011 4:05 PM

What can I say? Quickies make me feel guilty.

kballs - I didn't feel I needed to elaborate on how different they each were in other ways. I realize that my own argument implies that we look for 'type' even when we think we're not, but my point is that once you realize this phenomenon, actively working against it is exactly what folks like Dr Drew or Dan Savage or Dr Ruth tell us we should do all the time.

I do have a "type" and it's the Freudian "she looks like your mother when you realized you had a penis" type. Large, expressive eyes, brunette, average build, small breasts, large butt. I had dated a number of these types before getting married, including that first gf I mentioned above. My ex-wife was blonde, skinny and a high school dropout. I was trying to go against "type" as well as fight my own admitted shallowness and overlook the dumb part. The first brilliant one was brunette and overweight but an awesome person in many ways, which is why I still have her as a friend and why my daughter still considers her "mom". The second, thin waist, large breasts and blonde.

I actually thought I was keeping an eye out for the crazy. The problem is, and it's a problem with everyone, including guys, the crazy isn't evident at first. We all learn to hide our own personal brand of crazy. The other problem for all of us, including the chicks I dissed on for picking the same types again and again - you can't control what the heart wants. My most recent ex told me early on that she was a bitch. I should have listened I suppose, but when you're in love, not only does it not get through, you're in denial and won't believe it. I didn't.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 9:23 PM

And again, my point was that I don't believe all women are crazy, selfish bitches despite what my own experience tells me.

I will add, however, that when men start paying $300 a week to color their hair, $200 a week to get a mani-pedi, $200 a week on drycleaning $500 t-shirts from Abercrombie while trying to run me down with their monster trucks on their way to spend $7 on a cup of burnt-tasting coffee while texting on their $400 iPhones and fishing through their $1000 Coach bags for their Xanax and taking up all three lanes while doing so...When the only shop in our area that is doing brisk business despite the recession is a store called Katy Bug Faye, then I'll consider the idea that men are as crazy as women. In general.

I think my problem is that I live in an area with a lot of wealthy, stay-at-home moms whose days seem to consist of the above.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 21, 2011 9:38 PM

WHAT THE HELL? Where do you live that women spend $300 a WEEK getting their hair colored and $200 a week on mani/pedis? Holy shit. My hair would be broken off if I colored it that often and I'd have to get near-daily pedicures to spend that much.

I think you might need to move or something. Said in all sincerity.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at April 22, 2011 8:51 AM

Okay, maybe every two weeks. Gotta fix them roots. There are a number of nail/spa/salon places around here. The nail place's m/p's are $80, but the cheap salon's are $120. Apparently the only reason a color job is over $200 is if foil is involved. My ex apparently got the foil treatment...until I got laid off, then she had to do it at home herself.

Either way, there are 4 of them in the strip mall I work at and they are always full.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 22, 2011 11:44 AM

Ah, foil = highlights. That's all entirely too high-maintenance.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at April 22, 2011 5:47 PM

oO"

On a lighter note. The Starbucks has a drive through. Woe betide you if you're not paying attention when passing the entrance or exit. It's like the buffet opened on a weight watchers cruise, in tanks.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 24, 2011 5:33 AM