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Can First-Date Sex Lead to a Satisfying Relationship?

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (24)



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Last week, Jezebel published an anonymous account of a first date sexual encounter that didn’t go quite where the author was hoping. The story (which I encourage you to read in full) describes a first date that actually went really well. So well the author decided to take a chance and sleep with the guy despite the nagging voices in her head telling her doing so would doom any chance at a relationship (countered to an extent by the nagging voices that said that being a good feminist meant being comfortable with casual sex). And the result was that immediately afterwards she worried that she had made a mistake, ruining things by giving it up too easily. And indeed, the guy never called back. In the end the author comes to the conclusion that the problem is not so much that having sex on a first date causes the other person to lose respect for you but that she had built up an imaginary version of the man she was on a date with in her head and she assumed she was having sex with this illusion, rather than a stranger that she didn’t really know much of anything about. In other words, it wasn’t the sex: it was her expectations.

The piece reflects a hard gained bit of self-awareness, but the way it’s presented makes it sound as if having sex with the idea of someone is what everyone does when they have casual sex and I wanted to point out that while this certainly isn’t uncommon, it also isn’t the case for everyone. For many people, like the author of the Jezebel piece, the idea of the other person in bed with them takes over, masking the reality. But for many others, sex with a stranger is just that: a (hopefully) mutually pleasurable experience with someone you’re attracted to but don’t know very well but trust enough not to deliberately harm you (a fairly low bar, really). Sex on the first date/encounter isn’t right for everyone, but it isn’t wrong for everyone either, it just depends on who you are and what you’re after. And it doesn’t necessarily prelude a relationship with the person you’ve slipped into bed with. In fact, many of the people I know who are currently paired up slept with their partners on the first date.

A couple of years ago a friend of an acquaintance — someone I’d bummed a cigarette off of once and who I’d exchanged nods of recognition and the occasional greeting — tracked me down on Facebook and after a couple of IM chats invited me to come over to his place for whiskey and a movie. And I went in part because I figured it might lead to a mutually satisfying physical encounter. He showed me the sculptures he was working on and we talked politics and drank whiskey and maybe indulged in some other intoxicants and after a couple of hours of hanging out put on a movie. Before the credits had finished rolling I was naked and shoving a condom into his hand. By the end of the night I really didn’t know much of anything about him except that he liked David Bowie and “Kids in the Hall” and that he was artistically inclined and good in bed. Which was enough to make me interested in getting to know him better (especially that last one). The next day we had breakfast and later went to see Daybreakers and held hands just like a real date despite the fact that neither of us was looking for a relationship and somehow over the next couple of months we gradually slipped from fuck buddies to something more like boyfriend and girlfriend and somewhere along the line the L-word got dropped and now we are approaching our 2nd year anniversary, cohabitating in a not-too-tiny studio in New York with three cats, both of us overall pretty happy with how things turned out and where we’re at despite a few bumps along the way. Sleeping together on the first sorta-date didn’t mess any thing up for us, it just let us know that we were well matched on a sexual level. As it happened, we’re well matched on just about every other level too and since neither of us had any strong preconceptions about the other before or after we saw each other naked, we ended up falling into a relationship with about the same level of ease with which we fell into bed. It’s not how everyone does it, but it worked out just fine for us.

For those who romanticize people they’ve just met and are attracted to, who build up fantasies of how the future with this person will look, sex on the first date is indeed probably a mistake. Same goes for those who assume that anyone who has sex with them is seeking something other than sexual pleasure and are therefore fine to be take advantage of. (Actually, those people don’t deserve to get laid, though I wouldn’t expect them to recognize that. I will never understand the dudebro belief that getting it on with someone who is only having sex with you because there’s something wrong with them as a person is not a sign of serious self esteem issues of your own). And despite what pop culture tells you, this isn’t a male-female thing. Guys who have sex early on don’t universally lose respect for the women they’re fucking, and they aren’t immune to building up false hopes. I’ve been mistaken for a guy’s manic pixie dream girl myself and I know that he convinced himself that my eagerness to sleep with him was a sign of our deep connection and not a result of my just being…easy and horny. At the same time, there are women who think that men who don’t hold out are dogs who don’t deserve relationships, though they may be good for the occasional orgasm. Whether you’re truly comfortable having sex with strangers is a product of your individual personality, not your gender.

I tend to sleep with men because I like sex and want some at that particular moment. I do not do it assuming that they will fall for me immediately after and we’ll live happily ever after. Hell, half the time I’m not even looking for anything serious. I’ve been on the receiving end of misplaced romantic fantasies, and I’ve harbored them myself (ironically, not for a stranger but for a high school boyfriend who I grew up down the street from and reconnected with many years after high school), but I’ve never regretted a sexual encounter because for the most part I don’t go in with strong expectations of anything but orgasms and don’t feel like I’ve lost the potential for something because of my sexual availability if the guy never calls back. I look at sex this way not because I’m particularly sexually liberated or that I’m doing feminism “right,” but because I’m a pragmatist who enjoys sex and can separate it easily from the emotional aspects of relationships. It’s just the way I am, and it isn’t any more right or wrong than any body else’s way. Which is the key really. Not to follow some arbitrary set of rules for when and with whom to have sex, but understand yourself and do whatever you personally are comfortable with.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

Great column! Seems like common sense, but emotions and preconceptions do sometimes skew our outlooks and expectations. Young folks journeying out into the dating and sex world would do well to read this and take it to heart.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 3, 2011 3:44 PM

Yeah, I slept with my husband on the first date. We got so carried away we literally broke the bed at the friend's house we were staying at. I swear he married me just to be able to tell people that story. I think the reason it worked out, however, is because the next day I did not think "oh this is the guy I'm gonna grow old with". Hell no, it was more like "I wonder if I can ditch this guy and still make my date with bachelor #2 this weekend without hurting his feelings". It wasn't until I made said date and realized I had alot more fun the other night that I started to realize there might be some potential there. Just because you have already had sex does not mean that you can't still take it slow with everything else.
Anyway, 20 years later we are still together and enjoying the fact that our son is now a teenager and we can concentrate on our relationship again.

Posted by: Phat girl at November 3, 2011 4:32 PM

I'm not a fan of the position shown in the header picture. It's just awkwardly-imobile anal sex. Do not recommend.

Posted by: Kevin at November 3, 2011 5:00 PM

I love this article. My long term boyfriend spent the night on our first date. I've been slut-shamed on that a few times. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

On a side note, my coworker thinks you're a ho if you kiss prior to or on the third date.

Posted by: Quorren at November 3, 2011 5:04 PM

The boy and I also had sex on our first date and we are still happily fucking (and co-habitating) two years late. I have a haphazardly applied unwritten rule that states if he's cute and the date is goIng well, then I am going to sleep with him on the first date. I find that if a guy is turned off about havIng a relationship with me because I rode him like a rodeo horse on the first date, then we probably wouldn't have gotten along very well anyway.

Posted by: Nurse EagerBeaverBaby at November 3, 2011 5:12 PM

You got at a point in your column that kind of confounds me when I'm talking with friends about their first-date-sex encounters. The sex isn't always great, but sometimes it is, and even when it is there is still this weird "I might not ever hear from him/her again WHAT SHOULD I DO?!" panic moment. I've always felt that good sex, great sex, compatible-with-your-kind-of-sex sex was hard to find, and if you had that? You should call that person again! "Hey, I'm not looking for a relationship right now or anything, but I had a good time with you the other night, both talking at dinner and afterwards, if you know what I mean. Care to do it again sometime?"

It seems like you and your SO actually took that approach and it worked out really nicely for you. I don't know why (at least among my social circles) more people don't.

Posted by: Amanda6 at November 3, 2011 5:17 PM

Ladies let me jump in here and tell you the truth before the guys come in here and try to blow some up your asses. There has not be a man to walk the face of the earth if given the chance would refuse to bang any woman on the first date. And for all you women out there that thought your guy was special because he wasn’t interested in banging you, I’m sorry to have to shatter that illusion but if given the chance that guy would have pounded the living daylights out of you.


Guys, listen up, society has taught women to be reserved. Women have to be almost emotionally detached from that ass that they want to give up. Women are just like men, they like to bang just as much as men do. But they know how to conceal it. I’ve never had a problem with banging a woman on the first date. My theory is, why would I date a woman that’s not going to give it up? I wouldn't waste my time on a maybe, or a possibility.

I don’t have time for no probationary period, broad want to get to know me, it don’t take no three or four dates.

Posted by: Pookie at November 3, 2011 5:46 PM

The last time I had sex on a first date it lasted a year. Sounds like happily ever after except for the way it ended.

He told me he was going away on business and never called or came back. Phone got disconnected, house abandoned, etc. The next time I saw him, two of his front teeth were missing from a motorcycle accident. He also actually expected me to pick up where we left off. As if!

Posted by: Candy at November 3, 2011 5:47 PM

I have never agreed with the het relationship equation that requires the man to earn his way into the woman's skirt. The buying of dinner, etc with the implied dynamic that 20 virgins worth of funtimes is on the later horizon has always seemed a little prostitutyfruity to me. If I am responsible and safe and I have enjoyed conversation with a guy and want to see him naked, I will.

It really does require knowing exactly what you want, but being open and prepared to accept what happens come what may. One thing is not a promise of the other, and neither is a reflection of your worth or easiness. I'm only easy when I've decided I want you, Ok? That decision occured hours or weeks before.

I almost passed on the opportunity to be naked with my guy on the first date. I'm glad I didn't. A series of mismatched priorities and wants in previous relationships had me thinking that maybe I should play by The Rules and wait. But that date was MAGIC. We walked around my neighborhood, I showed him all my favorite hidden gardens and funky houses. He went on Google Eath and virtually walked us around his childhood neighborhood in Wales. We went for ice cream and coffee. We got lost in a big bookstore. We drove to pick up his dog to take her out and got to talking for three hours. When the "talking" came to decision time, I got up to leave and he was okay with it. And I quickly did the equation in my head:

It will be fun and you'll see him again. It will be fun and you won't see him again. It will be awful and you won't see him again

66% chance of sexy goodtimes. I liked those odds.

Soo I am picky and have requirements and he was AWESOME. And because I was ready for a relationship and he happily was too we are having a great time still.

Ever after. The bottom line is that Like Nurse EagerBeaverBaby, there's no shame in my game. I don't want to waste my happymaking skills on a judgemental SOB anyway, so I'll screen that stuff to the junkpile.


When you meet someone who painted the same album cover on his bedroom wall as you did in 1985 an ocean apart, you best get busy. It's going to be amazing even if you stumble. There's no wrong move. The Rules are: Life is Short, buy the ticket and take the literal ride.


Posted by: dawnweiner at November 3, 2011 5:58 PM

"I don’t have time for no probationary period, broad want to get to know me, it don’t take no three or four dates."

Oh Pookie, your reliability is UNMATCHED, praise God.

Short answer to the question posed in the title: yes. In fact, the first man I ever truly loved, this was the case. GODDAMN, he was gorgeous, had an awesome body, and he was so thoughtful and considerate and nice, I just had to jump on it. I'm so glad I did.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at November 3, 2011 7:12 PM

4th date sex for me with the boyfriend who will one day be Mr. Julie. I knew him for years beforehand and was still "I....don't know" about him on our first date. Second date we watched a movie and had a terrible first kiss. Third date we made out for two hours on his couch. That's when I moved from "Hmmm" to "Potential! No one ever has potential!" Slept with him on the fourth date.

Posted by: Julie at November 3, 2011 8:01 PM

What this boils down to is, "Know thyself." If you know you can be comfortable with sex on the first date, go for it. But you should also be free to be more patient. Haters gonna hate, but sometimes it's a matter of those of us who no longer have sex on the first date being called prudish, or frigid, or repressed - the opposite of slut-shaming. It took me a long time to figure out that I am never happy having sex with someone unless I know them quite well and trust them completely. Once I figured this out and kept relationships platonic for longer than before, everyone involved was much happier. Did I miss out on second dates from guys who were unhappy that they didn't get laid on the first date? I know I did. So what? Hopefully they're happy now with women who were willing to get sexy on the first date, and I get to be happy with the guys who take their time to make the leap. Don't listen to what anyone else says is right or wrong about this. Listen to yourself.

Posted by: Kay at November 3, 2011 8:13 PM

"Can First-Date Sex Lead to a Satisfying Relationship?" Probably not, but I can live with it.

Posted by: clancys_daddy at November 3, 2011 10:44 PM

Mr. Austin and I had sex on the first date, and I knew the next morning we would be married or happily co-habitating for the rest of our lives. I just knew. I know how rom-com it sounds, but it's true. We have known each other our entire lives, seriously. Our moms and aunts were all friends in high school, we were born 9 days apart, played together as little kids, even went to the same college for two semester...never dated and were never really good friends and we didn't talk for about 8 years after college. Out of the blue we started talking on facebook a two years ago, decided to meet up about 6 months later, had sex on the first date (went to a Cards game and we won!) and have been inseparable ever since. We didn't tell our families we were dating for months, did the long distance thing, got engaged after a year, moved twice, got married last month, just got back from our honeymoon in Hawaii two weeks ago. I'd never had sex on the first date before but I just knew it was going to work out.

Posted by: Austin at November 4, 2011 12:36 AM

"The next time I saw him, two of his front teeth were missing from a motorcycle accident"

Yeah, right. Boyfriend went to jail for two years and got his teeth removed for biting when someone made him his bitch.

Did you notice any new tattoo's on him when he 'returned'?

Posted by: Nick at November 4, 2011 1:30 AM

@Nick No. He rides motorcycles. Remember those DMX videos? He rides like that. I work at the airport so I saw him when he got off the plane and pointed him out to my supervisor. He looked so hot until he opened his mouth. I led him on to believe I'd hook up with him when I got off but I really was drilling him. He opened a business in the Cayman Islands and simply didn't bother to inform me. He mentioned it in passing once or twice but I had no idea. I called him when I got off and told him I was coming and never showed up. Revenge for dumping me so coldly and embarassing me with those teeth.

Posted by: Candy at November 4, 2011 2:21 AM

Yup, Mr. Alice and I had the WORST, most ill-advised sex on our first date. Drunk and high and on a friends couch. Classy as fuck, people. 5 years later, here we are, happy as clams.

Posted by: Alice88wa at November 4, 2011 2:58 AM

Yeah, I married my fuckbuddy. We went from strangers to drunken teenage fooling around to just-friends to friends-with-benefits to an exclusive relationship to co-habiting to parents to married couple with a kid. That whole thing played out over the last 15 years.

I always knew I wanted to bang him in the worst way, but I wasn't sure about the other stuff.

Posted by: nischi at November 4, 2011 10:26 AM

In my experience, this can work with one particular detail: that the people involved keep sex and love separate. I came to the conclusion years ago that sex and love are different things and should be kept separate from one another. I don't mean that you shouldn't love someone you have sex with or viceversa, but that love is not SUBJECT to sex and viceversa. You can love someone without there being sex involved and have sex without loving the person, and there's really nothing wrong with either of those.

My last girlfriend and I were first-day fuckbuddies, and she's one of the sweetest, most grogeous girls I've ever met(she looks like a chubbier Kari Byron from Mythbusters). We went our separate ways not out of any fighting, but because we had to move away from each other and preferred to end the relationship on a high note. But that relationship was IMMENSELY fulfilling, and we still have a soft spot for each other.}

Also, if you keep love and sex separate, you can do swinging much more comfortably, which is ALWAYS fun.

Posted by: Danny from Puerto Rico at November 4, 2011 11:06 AM

Yes it can. My husband and I were simply acquaintances (and we didn't really like each other that much) until one day when we kissed for no reason. We liked it and a week later we had sex and we liked that as well, and one thing led to another and four months after our first kiss we got married. That was almost two years ago and so far so good. So it can happen (with or without a marriage afterwards)

Posted by: e at November 4, 2011 2:14 PM

I feel a bit compelled to comment on this post. I have lurked on this site for years and have only commented on about 3 posts even though I am friends with many of you on the Facebook.

I was in a long term relationship with my High School sweetheart for 3 years. She was very religious and I respected that and I waited to be with her. 3 long years. We finally caved and had sex before marriage. She then went off to college and became a little slut monkey. I was 18.

I was then with another lady for almost 2 years followed by a 7 yr marriage. The sex in my relationships was never very satisfying I placed more importance on the aspect of love, or what I thought was love.

After my marriage ended I started dating a lady who was much more sexually experienced than me. My wife had been a virgin when we married and had only ever been with me. So needless to say it was very hard for me to accept that the person I was falling in love with had been in threesomes, and every over sexual exploit known to man. The sex was amazing. The relationship was shit. We fought I'm almost 99% sure she never loved me and only wanted a man to help her raise her 2 children. 2 years in we had a child of our own. I never even wanted children. I now have a daughter that is everything to me. I wouldn't know what to do without her. I always said if I had a child I would be with the mother forever. Last December the mother of my child told me she no longer wanted to be with me. 2 weeks before Christmas. I spent Christmas night in a movie theater parking lot downing a bottle of booze and crying myself to sleep. When we broke she immediately started having sex with other people. My normal strategy of curling in to the fetal position and rocking back and forth wasn't going to work. I had to get out there and occupy myself and not be concerned with what she was doing. So I took the fast train to Slutville. I'm not proud, but there it is.

I know all of the above is off topic. However, I felt the need for a little back story. My entire life I have had a romanticized idea of love and sex. They were inseparable to me. I literally could not have sex without feeling something for the other person. Then Baby momma crushed my heart. Now I'm in the position of dating for the first time in my life, as opposed to "Hey! I like you, let's be together forever!". I'm in the position where I'm not willing to accept just love (like my marriage) or just great sex (like baby momma).

I'm sure most of you who know me from Facebook think of me as a bit of a man-slut or as some would have us called "collector" This hasn't always been the case. I once believed there shouldn't be sex without love. However in the process of attempting to mend my broken heart I've dabbled in the ways of being a man-whore. I'm not sure what the answer is. I have had tons of first date sex of late and it's usually not until the 3rd date or so that the ladies really start to let the crazy shine though. Regardless of what Pookie might say, I have turned down ladies I REALLY wanted to sleep with on the first date because I had hopes of something more. Which I can tell you from experience made said woman attempt to literally try to rip my clothes off, then leave pissed off. So it didn't really work out the way I had planned. I suppose perhaps I attract the type of lady that is more prone to having sex on the first date. One young lady even stopped by the sex shop on our first date and bought some toys for us to use later before heading to dinner (we had never even discussed sex).

People change. My whole life I've had this inflated naive notion of romance and love and I actually looked down on people who would have sex on the first date. Now I'm a shameless hussy. All I know is that regardless of having sex on the first date or not if I meet someone who I want to be in a relationship with it won't change a thing as far as I'm concerned. I also hold out hope that I will still find love someday regardless of whether or not we sleep together on the first date.

Which we probably will.

Posted by: Pagliacci at November 5, 2011 12:12 PM

I have no problem with sex on the first date and it has led to a couple of very satisfying relationships for me, including one that was more along the lines of a fuck-buddy than a boyfriend.

One stand out gentleman, however, acted like I was trying to start a relationship afterward, and lectured me about how I couldn't have expected to start one "like that." This was when I had approached him to say hi at a party because I thought it would be rude to ignore him. This experience taught me that sometimes someone who wants sex just as much as you do might judge you for wanting it too and that person isn't someone you want to date anyways. So you can definitely have sex with someone early on in the relationship and still have one, but not with someone who is going to judge you for sleeping with them.

Luckily for me, my husband is the kind of guy who was pretty happy that we both wanted each other, and that is one of the many reasons that I married him.

Posted by: Tits McGee at November 5, 2011 1:35 PM

My hubby and I met in college, so "date" is kind of a hard thing to define. We made out in a game of I never. I gave him a handjob while he played the cello for me a couple of days later. Then I dumped him because he was talking forever and I was still 17 (he was 18). Then I realized he was amazing and got him back, and we had sex after our first "date", even though said date was several months after we had gone out, broken up, and gotten back together. 16 years later, we just celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary. He's the peanut butter to my chocolate, and I am glad every day for that first handy I gave him.

Posted by: McSquish at November 6, 2011 7:30 AM

McSquish - "I am glad every day for that first handy I gave him." This just made my day, and it's one of the more romantic things I've ever heard.

Posted by: Tits McGee at November 6, 2011 12:11 PM