“In any major city, minding your own business is a science. The first thing they teach women in rape prevention is never cry for help. Always yell ‘fire.’ Nobody answers to ‘help,’ but you holler ‘fire,’ they come running.”
“That’s fucked up.”

Seven is one of those movies that feels like someone should have stopped it from ever being made. This is, I hasten to add, a good thing. The film is a mix of taut thriller, engaging mystery, and gruesome horror show, and it’s so howlingly bleak that the evil deviance at the center never gets any easier to stomach. At its blackened heart, it’s a cop drama, a thriller about a pair of mismatched detectives developing a mutual respect as they pursue a ruthless serial killer, but it’s so far beyond the boilerplate dramas you expect from the genre that it ceases to be just another cat-and-mouse game and becomes instead a haunting walk through a cruel world feeding on its on waste. This, I again hasted to add, is still a good thing. Seven is many things — tightly written, skillfully directed and wonderfully acted — but what most sets it apart from its peers and makes it a modern classic is its bravery, its complete lack of pretense when it comes to digging through the trenches of the human soul. Basically, Seven is a meditation on what it means for evil to win (it sucks), and why anyone would fight it in the first place (what else is there to do?). Released in 1995, the film was renowned then and remembered now for its brutal violence, but that’s just the trees; the forest is a masterful suspense film that turns on pure character.

(For the purposes of this piece, I’ll be referring to the film as Seven, despite the fact that it’s sometimes marketed as Se7en, which, though admittedly a cute play on the title, isn’t a word.)

The film’s opening scenes perfectly establish everything that director David Fincher and screenwriter Andrew Kevin Walker will try to accomplish with the story, setting up the pair of cops at the center of the film and also quietly starting the ticking clock leading toward an inevitably grim conclusion. Det. William Somerset (Morgan Freeman) is a classic murder police, strolling silently through a violent crime scene, pausing to ask a few questions that do nothing but annoy his juniors. As he’s inspecting the scene around a corpse, up the stairs bounds Det. David Mills (Brad Pitt), chewing gum and barely restraining the kinetic energy that’s constantly threatening to spill out. He’s wearing a leather jacket in contrast with Somerset’s worn tweed, and if the visual clash isn’t clear enough, they get into a little pissing match when Somerset wants to know why Mills insisted on being transferred to the awful center of a nameless, rotten city. Somerset’s retiring in seven days, and he’ll be transferring his caseload to Mills. The weeklong timetable Walker sets up isn’t (just) a handy parallel with the murders that will show up later, but a structurally genuine way to set up the kind of deadline needed in movies like this one. So right away, before any of the real blood starts to flow, there’s a sense of urgency and loss as Somerset and Mills try to navigate each other and the passing of the baton, but Fincher isn’t about to coast on melodrama. Things are about to get bad. Quick.

After an opening title sequence set to a remix of Nine Inch Nails’ “Closer” and featuring jumpy B-roll of, among other things, a man using a razor to shave off his fingerprints, Seven begins its own descent into the Inferno that will come to dominate its tone. Mills wakes up on Monday morning, kisses his wife, Tracy (Gwyneth Paltrow), goodbye for the day, and meets Somerset for a trip to another murder. The deceased is a hugely obese man, bound and sitting at his kitchen table with his face planted in a plate of spaghetti; autopsy findings show that he was fed until his stomach burst open. The exacting nature of the death is enough to convince Somerset some deeply worrisome things are afoot, but his captain (R. Lee Ermey) says, “Don’t even start that big brain of yours cooking.” But Somerset knows that whatever’s going down is just beginning, and he pleads to be reassigned. “This can’t be my last duty,” he says. “It’s just gonna go on and on and on.” He’s right, too. Mills’ next homicide is a local defense attorney found dead in his office with the word “GREED” written in blood on the carpet, and Somerset returns to the obese man’s rancid house to find “GLUTTONY” carved in the grease on the wall behind the refrigerator.

It’s the revelation of the quasi-spiritual overtones and the sense of an epic battle about to ensue that kick the film up a notch from engaging cop thriller to riveting psychological drama. Somerset maintains that the killer is “preaching,” and that he won’t be done until he’s somehow acted out his own version of the seven deadly sins on the inhabitants of the grim, dystopian hellhole — with greed and gluttony gone, that just leaves sloth, lust, pride, envy, and wrath. Watching Somerset and Mills slowly assemble clues from crime scene photos, interviews, and a mixture of speculation and instinct is more involving than any gunfight. When Mills complains that he’s bored waiting around on the killer, Somerset tersely replies, “This is the job,” and Freeman gives the reading a mixture of stone certainty and unshakable fatigue, as if Somerset knows what the job requires but doesn’t even know why any more.

As the bodies pile up over the course of the week, the detectives move steadily closer to the killer, and Fincher and production designer Arthur Max bring an almost nauseated sense of unease to the city: It rains almost constantly, there are bars on every window, and not a speck of it looks remotely amenable to human inhabitants. Fincher came up shooting music videos, and though his name was on the troubled Alien3, it was Seven that first established him as a storyteller with a keen eye and firm sense of just what kind of specific mood he wants to convey on film. All of his films have a certain darkness to them, but it’s never the same kind, whether we’re talking about the moody mindfuck of The Game, the pulpy trip of Fight Club, or the brooding reflexiveness of Zodiac. But Seven is the darkest film he’s yet made, both tonally and graphically. Fincher’s also aided by the superb camera work of cinematographer Darius Khondji (Delicatessen), who captures a gutted look and feel for the city that’s somehow beautiful. The man is responsible for one of my favorite minor moments in modern film, a shot of Tracy asleep after Mills has left on assignment one night:

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She’s gorgeously framed, almost cradled by the edges of the picture, but there’s an undercurrent of something like menace or worry to the shot, as if she’s actually boxed in or imprisoned. It’s a quick moment, and one that doesn’t necessarily have to be done as well as it is to move the story forward, but it’s a perfect little emotional roadmap of where the film has been and where it will go.

The detectives come to know their serial killer by the horrifying ways he inflicts his righteous anger on his victims, and Fincher walks a shaky line between going further than you’d expect and letting the viewer’s mind do all the work. For instance, when Somerset and Mills examine the obese man in the coroner’s office, Fincher never shows what are said to be distensions and wounds and all manner of likely disturbing things. But later on, dealing with the killer’s lust-themed victim, Fincher shows a glimpse of a Polaroid of the murder weapon: a blade-tipped dildo. Just typing it is enough to make me squirm in discomfort and reel from the evil of the idea, but Fincher has to refuse to pull that punch because he has to make sure that the killer’s irredeemability is assured.

Fincher does that because the world of the film is an uncertain one that baffles its protagonists for its apparent lack of moral code, and he has to make sure that though the film is dark, it’s still possible for someone like Somerset or Mills to find his way through it. The killer is completely hopeless because the detectives need to know they can still themselves be saved. The same goes for Tracy, who provides some heartbreaking dimension to Mills’ home life and the toll the city is taking on it. Mills and Tracy are new to town, and Tracy has a tougher time adjusting to the sense of infestation than he does. Paltrow’s fragility is often gut-wrenching in a scene where she turns in confidence to Somerset to get advice about life. When Seven came out, Paltrow was still establishing herself as an actress, and though her more iconic appearances in films like Shakespeare in Love were still years away, she does a lot with her limited screen time to make Tracy, if not dazzlingly complex, then at least an empathetic and relatable woman.

The same goes for Freeman and Pitt, who work well together and whose mutual chemistry drives the increasingly gruesome investigation. Freeman has long been reduced to playing roles that fall loosely within the same basic parameters of a kindly old mentor with something to teach the young ‘uns, but what’s remarkable about his work as Somerset is that he’s not actually a kind or even nice guy. He’s smart and talented, sure, but Fincher isn’t about to make him some happy old cop out to give the new kid one last wacky lesson in police work. No, Somerset is a soldier, a detective who grinds out cases because that’s all he knows to do. At the same time, Pitt, as always, is almost deceptively entertaining as Mills, a smartass who nevertheless knows deep down how to be good at what he does. Even 13 years ago, Pitt was a definite screen presence, and he brings the casual swagger to Mills that he brings to almost every role. He’s also one of those actors who seems unafraid to interact with the film world around him, and who also seems like he might break something if he drops it: He shambles through his apartment, he slumps in chairs, and he talks with his hands more than any other male actor of his generation, always casting them forward in a gesture like he’s tossing out a fishing reel. He’s just Brad Pitt, you know? He’s funny and eager and likable, and makes Mills the perfect counterpart for Somerset.

However, it’s Somerset who remains the audience’s anchor, a kind of proxy that carries us through the film’s path into the darkness and, just maybe, back out again. Fincher isn’t naïve enough to have Somerset preach about fighting the good fight, but neither is he apathetic enough to make the character detached from those around him. If the purpose of the film’s killer is to force the audience to exist in a world where the bad guy often slips free, then Somerset exists as a final punch thrown while falling onto the mat. Somerset isn’t a deep man, and Fincher never spends too much time examining why he continues to chase killers like this one. He just does it. Yeah, a lot of the time evil winds up winning, and even if it doesn’t, it’ll be back again tomorrow. But not fighting is worse than merely losing. For Fincher’s cops, the opposite of faith isn’t doubt, it’s indifference, and that’s unforgivable.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.

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The last thing I remember from this one is screaming "Don't open the fucking box!" and then waking up two days later...

Posted by: I Used To Be Jailbait at August 27, 2008 12:06 PM

This movie ruined my shit for years. Leland Orser playing the character of Lust haunted my dreams.

Posted by: Mella at August 27, 2008 12:10 PM

It's "Se7en" bitches! One of my favorites.

Posted by: socalledonlycousins at August 27, 2008 12:12 PM

This was the film that made me get a DVD player, finally. When I saw the ad for the release with the special footage and commentary was coming out I announced to the husband that it was time.

John Doe: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."

I. Love. This. Movie.

Posted by: krix at August 27, 2008 12:17 PM

Only one misstep in this movie: "We got pregnant." That phrase is guaranteed to piss me off in any circumstances, but I find it particularly absurd to think that a guy of Freeman's generation would ever say it.

Otherwise, flawless, and a great review.

Posted by: Todd at August 27, 2008 12:23 PM

I have never seen this movie. I have for unknown reasons read the whole plot summary of the film because I was curious, and I've seen some of the scenes when it plays on TNT (lord knows why they edit films such as this to be played on television) but I know I know that if I watched the whole thing, I would never go to sleep ever again.

And then I'd die in 2 weeks.

Basically. Whomever wrote this movie won in the freak out department. There is nothing as terrifying as a man killing people cause they've gone against the seven deadly sins.
Jesus. I'm scared right now.

Posted by: Rica at August 27, 2008 12:23 PM

Great review. This is a fantastic movie.

Posted by: ajax19 at August 27, 2008 12:25 PM

My first experience with this movie was renting it and watching it in my dorm room my freshman year in college with some friends. At the beginning of the movie my roommate walks in and says basically, "Oh, Seven! It's a really good movie. I love the ending where..." and then telling me how the movie ends. He then proceeds to talk through the entire movie.

I was pissed.

I have since watched it without him and had a much better experience.

Posted by: giovanni at August 27, 2008 12:31 PM

Very well written, DC. I'm surprised that you only refer to Kevin Spacey aka John Doe in general terms. 1995 was a helluva year for Spacey with Usual Suspects coming out a month after this one. My favorite line from Seven comes when he turns himself in:

Freeman: No, no, we would have got you eventually.
Spacey: Oh really? So, what were you doing? Biding your time? Toying with me? Allowing five innocent people to die until you felt like springing your trap? Tell me, what was the indisputable evidence you were going to use on me right before I walked up to you and put my hands in the air?

Posted by: branded at August 27, 2008 12:33 PM

Thankyouthankyouthankyou! I friggin' love this movie. I bought the goddamed collector's edition about six months before I even owned a DVD player. This movie has been in my top five flicks since it came out in theaters. Everyone is great in this flick, Freeman's kick ass, Pitt is brilliant, Spacey is creepy as shit and Paltrow is spot-friggin' on. This flick is actually a deal-breaker for me - if you don't like this movie, we can never be friends, blood brothers, lovers, secret agents, casual sex partners, ninjas or pals. This is one of the few movies that if I happen to come across it whilst flipping, that's it. Nothing else will be accomplished until the credits roll... OMIGOD, THE OPENING CREDITS! GODDAMED BRILLIANT! This set the friggin' standard for opening credit sequences. Period. A W E S SO M E! I just wet my pants! GRAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAhhahahahahahaaaaaaa....HA!

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 12:34 PM

One of my favorite movies. I own it. I have only watched it twice.

Too good.

Posted by: DemonWaterPolo at August 27, 2008 12:38 PM

When Kevin Smith and I originally pitched this story to Paramount, it was supposed to be called "8ight" and it featured the story of two convenience store clerks who killed eight hookers, chopped their heads-off and stuffed them into a duffel bag, set against the background of the Kennedy assassination.

True Story.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 12:39 PM

Sometimes there is simply no choice but to join the pile and fling oneself at the scrum: I love this movie. Dark and gritty and forlorn and real do it for me every time. I also really enjoy your obvious love of the craft of film-making, Carlson.

As an aside, I'm amused at the timing of this review given that I trotted out Det. David Mills as a reference in a muppet-themed exchange with popejenn a couple of weeks back...

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 27, 2008 12:45 PM

I haven't seen this movie in a long time but think of it often. It is the type of film that always leaves you with a haunting sense of dread around the corner. Sloth was the worst....

Posted by: jotthedot at August 27, 2008 12:46 PM

Gahhhh, Spacey Spacey Spacey. Where did that guy go? He used to be cool as fuck.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 27, 2008 12:46 PM

giovanni - you give me your old roommate's address and I'll break one of his legs over the weekend. What a douche - especially regarding a movie like this...

God, and SLOTH (not the Goonies samanabeeyatch, but the victim of SLOTH)? One of the few times I've actually felt my heart pound in the theater...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 12:47 PM

That's it. I'm going home, getting my DVD, ordering a pizza, grabbing some Scotch, and breaking into the house one block over from mine that just put in a home Theater. If anyone wants in, I'll wait an hour. One hour...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 12:51 PM

Nice write-up.

Posted by: Cindy at August 27, 2008 12:51 PM

Comment on a particular scene:

I know people love to spooge themselves all over John Woo's "gunplay" but for some reason I always find that scene where they're in the hallway and the unrevealed (at the time) killer tries to gun them down, to be VERY tight and better than anything Woo has ever done. It was, just right.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 12:51 PM

I'm with ya Skitt, the scene in the Sloth victim's room always makes me jump. And I will never ever be able to watch the Lust moments without feeling a little faint. Just thinking about it makes me cross my legs. GAH.

Posted by: Julie at August 27, 2008 12:53 PM

This is one of what I like to call "change your whole day" movies. That is to say, if I'm flipping channels and it's on? Changes my whole day. I will rearrange my schedule. I will cancel plans. Who gives a fuck that I own it on DVD. It will change my whole day. I've been late to birthday parties for movies like this.

Also, I believe the credits (beginning and ending) were actually designed by Trent Reznor. Pretty sure I read that somewhere.

Posted by: TK at August 27, 2008 12:54 PM

One of the best movies ever made. Also one of the best DVDs out there if you can get the 2 disc edition. This was the movie that made me take notice of Brad Pitt and he's been one of my favorite actors ever since. That ending never fails to hurt no matter how many times you've seen it. The entire film is loaded with beautifully crafted scenes, haunting imagery, and a pervasive tone of dread that many moves that came after it have attempted, but none have actually matched it.

"'The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part."

Posted by: Rob at August 27, 2008 1:01 PM

I saw this in the theater in college on a double date that was a blind one for me. All three of my companions wanted get up and leave about forty minutes in, and I refused to go. They stayed until the end, and then none of them ever spoke to me again.

I walked out of the theater feeling like I had been gut shot, and I loved it!

Posted by: bibliophile at August 27, 2008 1:01 PM

Skitt, I'll be your ninja!

I LOVE THIS MOVIE...AND THE CAPS LOCK KEY. The opening credits are so good, even if they spawned many bad imitations. This is one of the few films that I remember liking Gwyneth Paltrow in. Her role was limited, but she managed to do a lot with it, as did Spacey. The tone and production design are just pitch fucking perfect, like you can smell the rain and mildew. It's probably the shittiest place I wished I could see in person. Great review for a great movie, Dan.

Posted by: jM at August 27, 2008 1:08 PM

I walked out of the theater feeling like I had been gut shot, and I loved it!

Posted by: bibliophile at August 27, 2008 1:01 PM

Thank you for putting that feeling into words so perfectly!

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 27, 2008 1:12 PM

TK, the guy that did the credits is Kyle Cooper. He's friggin' awesome. He's done quite a few other opening credits as well (not only movies, but video games - MGS). I read an interview with him in WIRED a few years back that was pretty friggin' good.

The NIN track is a remix - I think it's on the Closer single...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 1:12 PM

Thanks for the support Skittimus. Believe it or not, due to this event and several others (mostly revolving around things growing in the massive cesspool that was his portion of the room), we didn't really keep in touch after I graduated. But I could probably find him through Facebook if the Murdertank ever comes through the Midwest.

About Seven, one of the things that struck me most about it was it's use of surround sound. Maybe I don't usually pay enough attention, but it often seems like movies use the surround track only for effects. Kind of like, "Ooh, a plane just went by." When I watched Seven on the other hand, I couldn't help but notice that seemingly mundane details (such as rain sounds, distant sirens, etc) were put in at a volume that was noticeable, and led to a really immersive experience of the city.

Again, maybe I was just super-sensitive to the soundtrack that day, but I thought I'd bring that up.

Posted by: giovanni at August 27, 2008 1:13 PM

I agree that this is an awesome movie, but "Seven", along with "The Sixth Sense" is one of the few movies I've only ever seen once. Both scared the holy hell out of me, "Seven" perhaps a little bit more because it could actually happen. I think one of the scariest movie moments EVER happens when

possible spoiler

they find the guy who's been tied to a bed for a year, and then the guy lets them know that he's not actually dead yet. I think I may have ruined a perfectly good seat in the theater because of that moment.

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I also felt for Paltrow's character, as someone else who hates cities, even good ones, which made the ending (especially with its lack of details) all the more awful. So yeah, good movie...but I don't ever want to see it again.

Posted by: DeadBessie at August 27, 2008 1:14 PM

I meant for that whole thing to be in bold. Piss off.

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 1:16 PM

Ah. My mistake, Skittiums.

Um, easy on the boldface, OK?

Posted by: TK at August 27, 2008 1:17 PM

I...I love you, Daniel. I've held this movie up as THE movie...the greatest done piece of cinema ever. It's what I compare movies to. Before this movie, I wasn't even aware of deeper meanings, subtle plot, and great acting. Movies were mindless entertainment. This movie changed my entire life. And this also started my love affair with Pitt, Freeman, and Spacey...I can't stand Pitt and Spacey in real life, but I'll be damned if the three aren't geniuses at their craft.

Per Che Grovera's comment, however, I am now envisioning this movie done with muppets. I'm shuddering in equal parts ecstasy and disgust.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 1:18 PM

This is easily one of the best movies I have ever seen. I only saw it once but it stuck with me. It had an unprecedented impact on me and I can never watch it again.

"What's in the box," still gives me the fucking creeps.

Posted by: chenry at August 27, 2008 1:20 PM

I cannot even hear a metronome tick-tick-tick without thinking of this movie. Same for those tree-shaped air fresheners for cars - they creep me the fuck out.

Posted by: sweetpea at August 27, 2008 1:20 PM

The inclusion of the Criterion Collection version of this film was pretty much the SOLE reason I bought a much-loved library of Laserdiscs and very well taken care of player from a fella about a year ago. The detailed and extensive box-art and liner booklet are AMAZING. And LaserDisc may look like ass on a hi-def set, but I gots the commentary track you can't get anywhere else :)

Posted by: Ed at August 27, 2008 1:21 PM

No, Shadows. Just...no. The Muppets occupy a virtual Shire, impervious to the encroaching dread.

Now, claymation -- that's a different story. Like Nosek's Murder Maid video from Pajiba Love a couple of days back...

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 27, 2008 1:27 PM

I like the scene when Somerset is at home and, hearing the sounds of his neighbours fighting, sets the metronome going to overlay order on the chaos. Tells you a lot about the character, and the philosophy of the film.

This is a very very good film, but not one I watch often, because it leaves me with dark thoughts and images that are hard to shake off. Consequently, I haven't seen it in years. Which makes absolutely no difference to how vividly I can recall images and even whole scenes from it.

Posted by: Tarn at August 27, 2008 1:28 PM

great review for a great movie. the sloth scene also scared the be-jesus out of me. and i love kevin spacey. actually, i love his voice. i could listen to him talk for hours.

Posted by: kelley at August 27, 2008 1:29 PM

i'm sorry. as good great as this movie was, it was completely ruined by Pitt's seriously crappy, over-dramatic, hyperventilating performance in the final minutes.

Posted by: causaubon at August 27, 2008 1:33 PM

Agreed. This is one of those flicks you can only see once. Any more viewings and I'd be fit for a rubber room...

Posted by: ciji at August 27, 2008 1:34 PM

Oh.My.Godtopus. This movie is both one of the best, and one of the scariest fucking things I have ever seen, bar none. Skitts, I am SOOO with you on the SLOTH. Cannot even stand the SIGHT of pine tree air-fresheners to the day, much less the perceived "smell" of them. This was also, in my humble opinion, Gwyneth's best acting to date, particularly toward the end.......ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!! NEVER OPEN THE FRICKIN' BOX!!!!!!!!!! If someone walks up to you with an anonymous box, DON'T FRICKIN' OPEN IT, EVER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at August 27, 2008 1:35 PM

Amazing movie, to be sure, but not 1 mention of the tremendous role of Kevin Spacey as John Doe? Come on!

Posted by: jonr at August 27, 2008 1:38 PM

From the opening credits (I about wet myself with joy over the inclusion of NIN. College was a heavy Trent Reznor phase for me.), I knew I would adore this movie.

When it was over I turned to my roommate and said, "Fuck. That was disturbing."

Then I saw it again. And again. And again...

Posted by: Alabamapink at August 27, 2008 1:41 PM

Facts:

One of the worst Brad Pitt performances. Ever.

The BEST Morgan Freeman performance ever (yes, even better than Street Smart and Shawshank). In a particularly non-showy role, Freeman conveys everything about the character without chewing any scenery or resorting to histrionics.

Posted by: boogs at August 27, 2008 1:47 PM

Worst First Date Movie Ever.

Posted by: Withnail at August 27, 2008 1:53 PM

I don't think it was a bad performance, boogs but a great character performance that balanced out Freeman's role perfectly. I dug it. And I'm gonna go out and say that this was Spacey's prime as an actor - everything after this and The Usual Suspects was crap (I loved American Beauty but that was more of an ensemble piece). Shit like Pay It Forward and KPAX ruined him. Not like I'd run him over if I saw him crossing the street in front of me, but I can't say I wouldn't pass up throwing a scalding hot cup of coffee in his face...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 2:01 PM

This movie still jacks me up. I first saw if over 10 years ago on HBO (Mom, this movie is why I did not sleep that night). I loved every minute. Pitt for me is generally always spot on. I adore Morgan Freeman. This movie was also the only time I think I have ever felt any kind of emotion other than fury at Paltrow.

I love this movie. Beautiful review Daniel.

Posted by: Melody at August 27, 2008 2:02 PM

I've been mulling this movie over for a few years now, trying to give it a second viewing. While I loved it at the first viewing, it damn near made me crap my pants in terror.

After that review, I'm going to gird my loins and give it a go.

Maybe I'll go to a friend's house to watch it so that when I shit myself with fear, the mess won't be on my couch.

Posted by: Pea at August 27, 2008 2:09 PM

I watched this on a whim while I was sick, procrastinating from a paper, high on cold medicine, at 2am. Then I went to take a shower and wigged the F*** out. "Sloth" left me unable to smile for days...

Posted by: RhymesWithSilver at August 27, 2008 2:14 PM

"..but that's just the trees; the forest is a masterful suspense film that turns on pure character."

Well put! One of the best movies.

Posted by: Steve at August 27, 2008 2:15 PM

I always feel so icky after watching this movie but that's part of why I love it so. The other part is that even the slightest mention of Seven conjures up William Shatner's parody from the MTV movie awards several years ago. I loves me some Shatner.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at August 27, 2008 2:15 PM

This movie and review are amazing.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at August 27, 2008 2:19 PM

I love this movie - want to get that out of the way.

I just don't understand all this love for Brad Pitt. I agree that this was a great movie for him, he was perfect. But I also feel that every subsequent role borrowed from this character. I guess I can't watch Brad Pitt in a movie and not here him say: "what are you? Crazy?" without picturing him saying it the exact same way in 12 monkeys, Seven, Fight Club, Snatch etc. Just sayin.

Posted by: Just Amanda at August 27, 2008 2:22 PM

I saw this in the theater with a group of co-workers/friends. Normally, we'd catch whatever flick caught our fancy and then go to Bickford's and talk about it over too much coffee and breakfast foods. By the time we got to the LUST scene, I knew that the Bickford's run wasn't going to happen that night. I was tempted to concede victory to the film and leave, so deeply was I disturbed. When the movie was over, we all sat as the credits rolled and people filed out. Everyone in the theater - including us - had a the look of someone who was repeatedly gut or groin punched. My friends and I finally filed out wordlessly. When we got to the parking lot, we looked at each other's pale, wan faces and then silently walked to our cars to leave the theater. I suspect I wasn't the only one who took a long, hot shower when I got home.

It's the most brilliant, perfect film that I'll never see again. I own the Special Edition DVD and haven't even watched the bonus features. Fourteen years and it still seems to be "too soon." Thank you for this review - if nothing else, it will help with the healing process.

Posted by: David at August 27, 2008 2:22 PM

Funny, I just moved into my apartment yesterday and, being without cable just yet, popped this into my dvd player. This movie is amazing.

In the commentary track, they said the original ending of the movie were the gunshots, then straight to black. Roll credits. How fucking great would that have been to see in the theater? I love this movie.

Fincher is far and away my favorite director, and I cannot wait for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. It's gonna be his epic.

Posted by: aidan at August 27, 2008 2:23 PM

Daniel, your review does justice to this movie, and that is saying a lot. Wonderful job.

Seven is one of the first DVDs we bought when we finally got our first DVD player. It's a great plot, shot and performed by a crew and cast that got it right, and that makes it a rare gem indeed, in spite of its deeply disturbing subject matter.

I'll also chime in with my shudders over the "Sloth" scene. I have never been so horrified by anything on screen since I was a small child.

After the hospital scene, in which the doctor describes the victim's condition to the detectives, I blanked on the following 10-15 minutes of the movie. I literally couldn't think; I was sitting in my theater seat mentally frozen by the very concept of such cruelty.

Posted by: Jerce at August 27, 2008 2:37 PM

Every time my husband receives a package in the mail, he dutifully brings it in the house and presents it to me so I can scream, "what's in the box, what's in the baaaaaahhhhhx?"

Posted by: Bridget at August 27, 2008 2:57 PM

DeadBessie- I too wet my pants (no seriously, a little tinkle), at the dude in the bed. Not cool. Not cool at all.

Fantastic movie that inspired many copycats, none as good as the original.

Posted by: Be Adequite! at August 27, 2008 3:03 PM

What unnerved me about this movie so much was just what you mentioned. There's no small scene of a fresh breeze through a window, a ray of sunlight, a shot of people in the daylight. This world is entirely dark, unbreathable, evil. There's nothing to show that "well at least this thing/person/moment" is cheerful. And how about never knowing what city it is??

Posted by: scorzi at August 27, 2008 3:14 PM

Yah, but I dont recall Freeman calling anyone a motherfucker in this movie.

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 3:15 PM

Yah, but I dont recall Freeman calling anyone a motherfucker in this movie.

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 3:15 PM

I saw this when it came out, with one of my college roommates. Afterwards we came home and put on the Disney channel: cartoons were the only answer to that feeling of bleak despair.

. . . and then her boyfriend, who'd been waiting for us to come back, pounced on us from behind the couch.

She still married him.

Posted by: minorblue at August 27, 2008 3:16 PM

Great review Daniel. Well written.

This movie ruined me for a couple of days. I love it though and it is probably one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen.

I always think about the Gluttony, Lust, and Envy murders when I think of this movie...So wrong

Posted by: Zach at August 27, 2008 3:19 PM

Love this movie. I love how gritty and alien the city feels. It's too dark and too dismal to be somewhere on our world, but it feels like someplace that could be here.

When it came out I was a young teen, age 13. I saw it at a friends house and came home to ask my parents questions. When I asked my staunchly protestant parents about the "seven deadly sins" and other unfamiliar images, my parents were horrified that I had seen it, not because of violence, but because of the Catholic theology. That was a theme in my childhood, sex and violence they can work with, theology or religion was likely to get you banned. I was encouraged to read every Heinlein book (mass orgies notwithstanding) except for Stranger in a Strange Land that contained religious principles that might corrupt me. Yeah, that makes sense.

Posted by: libraryliz at August 27, 2008 3:21 PM

Skittimus Maximus:

I've read your comments for over a year on this site and I can't stand this any longer.

(throws him against the wall) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE will you make out with me like we're teenagers and you dry hump on top of me?!

If all your thoughts are constantly this edgy and insightful then I don't care what you look like.

(Oh, and I'm a girl that's been known to go both ways so just clarify which one you are so I can get ready.)

Posted by: scorzi at August 27, 2008 3:23 PM

GET A ROOM!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 3:30 PM

scorzi:

I hope you understand that getting ready involves preparing for more than just me. Minimus and I might not always agree, but like it or not, he's my half-developed conjoined twin brother with a turkey claw and a penchant for drinking heavily. If you'd be so kind, please draw a face on one of your boobs so he feels a little less left out. Thanks in advance...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 3:35 PM

You two (three) are just too cute. Nothing like angry, bonding over violent movies sex to get your motor running.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 3:44 PM

The first time I saw this movie was in my tenth grade comparative religion class towards the end of the semester when we had more or less devolved into a ranting discussion group. I went to an alternative school for gifted children, most of our classes turned out that way.

But the point is the TV on which we watched it was crap of the highest order and we lost almost all of the details, especially in the darker sequences, which basically means we missed the gore. And it was still an unbelievably effective movie even with the gore left up to our fertile little imaginations.

Having now seen it many times since, on much better sets I can say that the gore doesn't cheapen it any, and does actually up the ante, this is one of the very few movies that really makes my skin crawl rather than just make me gag.

Posted by: darwinfox at August 27, 2008 3:45 PM

Hands down the most disturbing movie I've ever seen. There's scenes in it that I STILL won't watch, and every time it shows up it completely messes me up for days.

I think the 'Saw' and 'Hostel' movies are trying very, very hard to go for the same punch-in-the-face disturbing visuals of 'Se7en', but they haven't even come close to the complete mind-fuckery that the latter pulls on you. It's not enough to just have disturbing visuals with guts and blood flying everywhere. You have to get into the audiences' heads and really bring out the ugly side of the human soul to be truly disturbing. And I think that's where 'Se7en' wipes out every other hack movie that's tried to follow it.

Worst mindfuck in the history of movies. Awesome review!

Posted by: figgylicious at August 27, 2008 3:47 PM

I could have just been hallucinating after every viewing, but don't the credits run backwards? That is really the final blow this movie leaving you without any feeling of catharsis. It's brilliant.

I love the journal design of the special edition DVD (which I actually bought before I ever saw the movie, just because I knew there was no way I could not like something by Fincher, starring Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt, about a serial killer and the seven deadly sins).

Posted by: Macafee at August 27, 2008 3:48 PM

Shadows:

How wrong is it that after reading your comment, Trent Reznor's line "you let me violate you/you let me desecrate you" entered my head?

I have now found a theme song to molest Skittimus to.

Preferably in a back alley at night in the rain while we're both half drunk and he's ripping the front of my blouse open as the silhouette of a black cat walks by and knocks an old school metal trash can over.

God I need to get laid.

Posted by: scorzi at August 27, 2008 4:12 PM

Oh this movie gets me in so many ways!
When I first saw it in the movie theater, I was with my cousin who had to explain what happened with Lust to poor naive little me.
I love the fact that the ending doesn't take the easy way out, but owns it right to the bitter end.
And one of the greatest little moments in that movie is when they get a list of library books and Mills asks about the Marquis de Sade (but pronounces it Sha-day, like the singer). Classic.
Amazing movie all-around, but I still can only watch it a)in the daytime b) with other people around and c) every 3 years or so!

Posted by: Pixie at August 27, 2008 4:16 PM

Preferably in a back alley at night in the rain while we're both half drunk and he's ripping the front of my blouse open as the silhouette of a black cat walks by and knocks an old school metal trash can over.

Now that's hot. I may borrow that.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 4:23 PM

K-Fed: Please do us all a favor and stop opening the box.
Very truly yours,
Humanity.

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 4:42 PM

jeez guys, shut up! I'm gonna need a cigarette in a sec...


also, Bridget your husband is tres cool.

Posted by: Stella at August 27, 2008 4:44 PM

It's Pride that always gets me. He fucked up her face and left her with the phone, and the pills, BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT SHE WOULD DO!

I find this movie deeply, deeply upsetting. So well done and SOOO upsetting. The Humane Society could have done a bang up business if they had set up booths outside the theatres when this came out.
"Rough movie huh? Here, try adopting this nice warm cuddly puppy/kitty"
Done and DONE.

Posted by: HoboSpider at August 27, 2008 5:02 PM

Say, Dustin? Is there any way we can have the site sense when things take a turn toward the sultry side of town and have the following features added:

• A smooth-ass jazz somethingorother in the background - a mellow bass joined by a super-sexy sax that lets outsiders know where the dialogue lays.

• Sexify the color palette - keep that velvety black, but add a few sensual tones, baby - like we're in a back room somewheres, getting ready to get our freak on...

• Change the typeface to a sexified italic that glows ever so slightly when you mouse over it.

• Replace the movie posters with Robert Maplethorpe photos that groan when you roll over them, and holler when you click on 'em.

• Coupons for Denny's. My bitches need a Moons Over My Hammy when we're done doing the do...

Thanks!

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 5:03 PM

But has anyone seen the spoof of the ending from those 'how it should have ended' youtube clips.
The clip was as funny as the movie was dark (obviously avoid the spoof until you have seen the original though).

Posted by: ChrisD at August 27, 2008 5:05 PM

I must one sick individual. This movie didn't bother me at all. Of course it was just a great film, but not freaky. Spacey's character was a lot like Ledger's Joker--it scared me that everything he said I'd thought before, not who he was. But I love animals, so I can't be a sociopath.

Posted by: DannyOnTrial at August 27, 2008 5:06 PM

See ah ah!! "Pajiba After-dark"

Now, all we need is a thread on lubes, gags, butt plugs and all other related "paraphernalia" and maybe an article on carbon fiber nipple clamps (they are THE latest thing in eastern Europe).

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 5:06 PM

Slim...we've had those threads. Hate to beak it to you. Where do you think scrabble sex and taco dip came from?

And I'm pretty sure I saw the link for the baby jesus buttplug here recently...

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 5:17 PM

HAH! there's never such a thing as TOO much "Porno related" threads.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 5:20 PM

Pajiba-After-Dark, huh? Goddam, Cap'n BSlim it's so crazy it has to work!

IT JUST HAS TO!

(... seriously, though - Dustin ? I need those other options considered. It would mean the world to me...)

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at August 27, 2008 5:20 PM

Sniff...a man after my own heart...I'm with you, good sir. All the way. I never liked the way TK kept bragging and throwing his weight around since you...ahem...vanished...

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 5:26 PM

Skittimus, fellow Pajibitites,

It is my sincere belief that Pajiba "After-Dark" would be THE classiest most informed adult entertainment site on the web. A Ranylt posting on the intricacies and underlying layers of social commentary on the latest inter-species erotica would BLOW. YOUR. MIND.
Apart from being THE BIGGEST thing to hit porn since Vivid went DVD.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 5:26 PM

As the girl who got the feistiness started, I just wish this site was more craigslisty in the fact that I could click on your screenname and we start emailing privately in any manner that we so choose.

Before bidding you all adieu, I will leave you with two thoughts on this glorious New York evening as I leave my corporate drone job:

1. I'm a newly single twenty-six year old female who worships most of the same things the single guys of pajiba do.

2. I'm wearing a matching black lace Victoria's Secret bra and panty set and am heading to the gym; where I will then take a wet sauna with other naked women.

Kevin Spacey's head just exploded.

Posted by: scorzi at August 27, 2008 5:44 PM

This didn't scare me as much as other movies I saw when I was younger (the first "Nightmare On Elm Street" and "Phantoms" both scared the bejesus out of me; this just kinda mademe jumpy), but it is a truly brilliant film. Horrific, but brilliant.

Posted by: Shay at August 27, 2008 5:44 PM

Uh... there's not really... um. Saunas, huh?

Posted by: Skittimus Maximmmm... hold on a sec... at August 27, 2008 5:59 PM

Every time I see the words long and hard I think of my man hammer.

Posted by: Pookie at August 27, 2008 6:06 PM

While I agree with everyone that this is a great movie...I have only seen it once.

The first viewing made me feel so sick and dirty that I just cant seem to watch it again. In fact I have a pit in my stomach just after reading the review. I literally have a sour taste in my mouth.
Not too many films out there get me to react so viscerally ( I think thats a word?!?!)

Posted by: Wanda at August 27, 2008 6:17 PM

scorzi is like a dream come true.

...and probably, a doode.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 6:21 PM

if you didn't see this movie on its opening weekend with the original print, you have (sadly) never seen this movie as it was meant to be seen. audiences complained about it being "too dark" (literally). new "lightened" prints were issued the next week, and that re-tinkered print is the one still used as a master today.


(FYI: for the new print they reprocessed the original negative and drastically reduced the amount of bleach bypassing previously applied. also, considering the film stock was flashed prior to shooting, you can only imagine how amazing this looked in its original presentation.)





that is all.




Posted by: bigal at August 27, 2008 6:40 PM

GET A ROOM!

The hell with that, get a camera! Shadows, I'll leave you to coordinate that hot Skitt/scorzi photoshoot/orgy - a Skittorzgy? Then post the footage on Pajiba After Dark, along with your "best of" with your "recon" efforts of our various Pajiba ladies.

I'm really starting to love this place.

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 27, 2008 6:43 PM

I got dibs on naming all the nasty movies! I also demand they be filmed in Pajibavision. That is all.

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 6:50 PM

Two movies I will never watch a second time: Seven and Trainspotting.

Too many nightmares. I saw Trainspotting when I was pregnant, and the baby hallucination scene messed with my dreams for a very long time.

Posted by: Wednesday at August 27, 2008 6:54 PM

JP;

And of course the section titles at top of the page would have to changed, I'm thinking:

Breasthound

Well hung theater

Underappreciated genitalia

Pajibanutbusters

Naked Staff

Music..for PORN

Zombies...in PORN

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 27, 2008 7:03 PM

scorzi...marry me
I realize it's sudden and i also realize i'm engaged to a lovely gentleman
(who's very understanding)
but you are an irresistibly adorable flirt and I just can't help but want to wrap you up and feed you hot chocolate and strawberries, rub your feet and buy you hot underwear(wool, preferably)

Posted by: bookslave at August 27, 2008 7:10 PM

Way up there somewhere (I need to get here faster) someone said it was Pitts worst performance ever.

Bollocks. I thought he was great in it. He's both one of the most sought-after actors and most underrated all at once. People believe he gets by on his looks, but he's a solid actor.

One of my all time favorite films and one more reason why Fincher is one of my favorite directors.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 27, 2008 7:34 PM

Excellent suggestions, Slim. However, may I be so crude as to propose the following titles:

Coozehound (For those who love the 'gina)
Hanglow Theater (Black/Interacial)
Underappreciated Gams (for leg fetishist, natch)
Vagina Ballbusters (S&M kinda shit)
Staff (for man-on-man stuff)
Musical Chairs (5 naked men sit on 5 chairs, 6 women walk around to music until it stops...)
Big Titted Zombies (self-explanatory, really)

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 7:36 PM

Enjoyed your write up and agree with you on all points. BUT, for the very reasons your review states, this movie is one of those that I saw once and will never watch again. Truly . . . the horror, the horror.

Posted by: NeoCleo at August 27, 2008 7:43 PM

Hmm. When the Spambot programs my laptop to explode on my lap will it be for Lust or Gluttony? Off to confession! Ciao.

Posted by: JP at August 27, 2008 7:53 PM


Brilliant review. Brilliant movie.

And I've only seen it once and never plan
to watch it again. It messed me up for
life.

Posted by: Drake at August 27, 2008 7:57 PM

I love you guys so much.

I'm all about Coozehound...I likes me the gina.

Big Titted Zombies doesn't sound bad either.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 7:57 PM

I only mention this because the review made a note of it and it's a word I often see associated with this movie: violent. Aside from the chase scene where Doe shoots at them and later kicks Mills, we never actually witness ANY violence! We only witness the results (as gory as they are), but never really SEE the act. There really is no violence whatsoever in Seven at all. Again, this is the brilliance of Fincher and his crew; understanding that fear and disgust of this magnitude need only be implied; our imaginations do the rest. *"Torture Porn" take note!*
One of my all time favs; great review!

Posted by: Rapanui at August 27, 2008 8:14 PM

I'm all about Coozehound...I likes me the gina.

Big Titted Zombies doesn't sound bad either.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 27, 2008 7:57 PM

The first review under the BTZ banner can be for Pam: Girl on the Loose. So appropriate. Hep C for everyone!

Coozehound...from the Urban Dictionary:

Originating from 'cooze' aka: slang for pussy or vagina. A cooze hound can never get enough pussy.

PAD is gonna be good, I can just tell.

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 27, 2008 8:23 PM

I saw this in France when I was a junior in high school doing an exchange program. I think we went on my second or third night, before I gained any comprehension of the language as spoken by anyone but my fellow students. So I did not know what was in the box. That's right. It was clearly bad. It was clearly something to do with Gwyneth. But I did not know what it was! Nor did I get any of that last speech from Kevin Spacey when he's in the back of the cop car. But more importantly...what was in the box??? I didn't find out until that mother came out on video.

Posted by: Cara at August 27, 2008 9:26 PM

"what's in the box, what's in the baaaaaahhhhhx?"

AH HA HA HA! Bridget, I do the same thing! In fact, I did it to my apartment manager when I finally got my GODTOPUS T-SHIRT today. Shadows, lordhelmet, you better hope the hidden cameras you've installed my apartment are recording this. I'm going to do dirty terrible things in this shirt.

Oh no! I've spilled water all over myself. I'm all wet. Gosh, this shirt is practically see through now. It's okay. I'll just dance slowly in front of this wind machine until I dry off.

Posted by: jM at August 27, 2008 10:47 PM

I watched this for the first time about four years ago in a friend's basement. I literally yelped during the Sloth scene and the Lust scene makes me want to die inside. Just watching that guy crumble in hysterics gives me such deep, deep chills.

Afterward, another friend drove me home and before leaving, we both made sure Kevin Spacey wasn't in the backseat. Oh and there was horror movie-grade fog all the way home.
Good times.

Posted by: Saint Saturn Sunshine at August 27, 2008 10:49 PM

Also: Pajiba After Dark could all the more lucrative with a phone-sex hotline. All the hot movie discussion porn.

"While I don't think Juno was Oscar-worthy, the backlash it suffered was way over the top." "Oh god, an well-stated position *mooooooooooooooooooan*"

Just saying.

Also floating "Dangerous Liaisons" as a name for it.

Posted by: Saint Saturn Sunshine at August 27, 2008 11:02 PM

One of Fincher's best movies, although I would definitely say that Fight Club is his best, just the subject matter alone. Seven is darker than Fight Club though. I enjoyed the parallels made between Brad Pitt's character and Kevin Spacey, who is actually quite good in it too, he can do calculating so well. Whatever happened to him in movies?

Posted by: ph at August 27, 2008 11:51 PM

Ah, wasn't it fabulous when Spacey was cool?

Posted by: Anne at August 27, 2008 11:54 PM

I used to play this movie as I fell asleep at night. Most people reel at the suggestion, certain that it fucked my shit up, but really the movies' first scenes are just perfect for falling asleep. There's rain, a metronome, Morgan Freeman's voice and the hypnotic pacing.

Posted by: Blair at August 28, 2008 12:46 AM

Oh my, such a movie. Seldom are real emotions or real drives given their due in a film. We tell fantastic stories - so called, that never reach outside the safe middle while things with fangs and hungers range in the real world. The Brothers Grimm tales are grotesque in the original, because, well, they have to be.

Daniel nailed it. "Turns on pure character" obviously for the leads but what of every other player. Selected for character, each "victim" play into their own demise. Even with a gun to your head, would you eviscerate slowly with a knifed strap-on? That guy will live with the fact of his limited strength, the same limited strength that brought him to be a regular where he was taken, the same limits, compromises really, that marked him as a vehicle for the messenger.

More than skill, I'm impressed by how much each player in the piece committed to going that far, not so far, really, given the world. Pick your invasion. Pick your atrocity. Pick your zealot. The script. The direction. The cinematography. The supporting actors. They went there too.

The most frightening thing is intelligent, absolute belief.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at August 28, 2008 4:18 AM

Of all the lines and scenes I know by heart of this movie this exchange illustrates my theatre experience best:

Upon reading Victor's "HELP ME" message
Mills: Honestly, have you *ever* seen anything like this?
Somerset: No.

Favorite line number 2, California's utter helplessness and disbelief at the end:

Somebody call somebody!

At the time I wasn't even aware this bleakness was exceptional for a big studio effort. Seriously, which thriller of the last 13 years can hold a candle to this one?

Posted by: Adere at August 28, 2008 4:58 AM

Typing this from a chinese industrial city that looks like the opening scenes of Silent Hill (game not film) so feeling a little freaked.

Saw this in the UK with a past girlfriend and we both stumbled out with a punched-face daze that was only beaten by Requiem for a Dream - my only saw it once, bought the DVD, still in the wrapper DVD. The visuals, the soundtrack and the performances all meld into a one of a kind flick with the guts to hold it's own in a sea of "bad guys get their commupance" morality tales. I will forgive Pitt a hell of a lot of dross for being the guy who stuck with Fincher's terminal vision and refused to make the film if they didn't keep the original ending. Probably only bettered by Fight Club, whose manic energy and sheer, ball-busting chutzpah take it into another realm, but I still think Fincher's best is ahead of him.

Can't read about it without seeing the clenched John C McGinley shouting "Detectives! You're gonna want to come take a look at this" and jerking back into the sofa as Sloth judders into terrible life. With the dispassionate doctor saying "he's been through more suffering than anyone I've ever treated and he still has hell to look forward to".

Soon as I get home again, I'm packing the wife and kid off to bed and firing this up in glorious special edition surround sound. Just a perfect film and a reason to keep loving cinema (and Pajiba).

First post and what a film to break the hymen on.

Posted by: billhicks42 at August 28, 2008 10:33 AM

****spoilers ahead****

whenever someone, usually at work, sees an unopened box on my desk and asks what's in it, i always answer "Gweneth Paltrow's head".

then they give me a funny look, i realize that not everyone's seen se7en, and a call to HR is probably placed.

*****spoilers fin****

Posted by: Siddhartha at August 28, 2008 11:27 AM

I haven'read the review, or the comments, yet: i'm saving them for when times are slow.


But let me say that this movie is not only practically the ultimate achievement of the cop movie, it is also a personal triumph for David Fincher. The man had a vision and he was uncompromising. Like the review said (okay, I read PART), this is one of those movies that might never have been made. It's a fantastic commitment to the idea that even the bleakest of stories are worth telling.

Posted by: karstark at August 28, 2008 11:39 AM

you better hope the hidden cameras you've installed my apartment are recording this. I'm going to do dirty terrible things in this shirt.

Oh no! I've spilled water all over myself. I'm all wet. Gosh, this shirt is practically see through now. It's okay. I'll just dance slowly in front of this wind machine until I dry off.

Shadows, we are recording, right? Are you seeing this too? I'm just...getting comfy...and getting the popcorn ready - looks like that plan of yours is really starting to pay off. Ya gotta love it when our subject/model is such a good sport!

Posted by: lordhelmet at August 28, 2008 12:04 PM

An excellent addition to my "PajiSluts Gone Wild at Home!" edition to the infamous ongoing series that's coming out in a couple months. The edition after that will be "Pajiba Fetishes and Movie Kinks". I'm planning on making jM the centerpiece of that one.

Only $29.99 for non-Pajibites, $15.99 for Pajibite males, and $5.99 for Pajibite females who sign a waver to wire their entire house with hidden cameras.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at August 28, 2008 12:12 PM

*cue in Calypso soundtrack*

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 28, 2008 12:21 PM

"When I asked my staunchly protestant parents about the "seven deadly sins" and other unfamiliar images, my parents were horrified that I had seen it, not because of violence, but because of the Catholic theology."

Ha ha ha! I must admit, as a practicing Catholic whose childhood was steeped in this stuff, that my fair religion does seem to have the macabre market cornered. There's just so much grotesque and scary stuff to work with.

This movie freaked my shit out. I saw it when I was 23 (God, I'm dating myself) and started crying during that dildo part. For some reason, that just completely terrified me. And, yes, Gwynnie played the simpering milquetoast very well. Wonder why that is?

Posted by: samantha t at August 28, 2008 12:32 PM

I'm planning on making jM the centerpiece of that one.

As long I get my cut. College don't pay for itself.

Posted by: jM at August 28, 2008 12:36 PM

God damn it i love this film


i was nine when this came out but as soon as it was rentable it was rented in my house and i watched it with their permission and their hands over my eyes or ears for certain scenes but i still as a child understood it was a spectacular film Brad Pitt steals the thing at the end with his desperate pleading to know whats in the box and the steely 'well then fuck it' resolve on his face as he pulls that trigger on John Doe

and speaking of whom, how fucking scary is Spacey in this film?!

The man does detached sociopath like possibly no one else in the world, the UTTER LACK of emotion or tone in his voice is disturbing as fuck especially when he's talking about killing Paltrow.

Incidentally, is it true(i think it is) that the 'Starved Body' guy, the hyper skinny dude they think is a dead john doe, plays Jason Stryker in X2?

Posted by: nadine at August 28, 2008 1:04 PM

bigal...

You know, I THOUGHT that movie was darker the first time around! I saw it opening night (with about eight friends, and let me tell you, afterwards, that was some quiet dinner).


What I remember most of all though (and I ended up seeing this film in theaters at least thrice) is the short bits they cut out. Specifically, when Morgan Freeman can't sleep and he practices throwing his switchblade at his dartboard. I feel like I never saw that scene again.

Posted by: karstark at August 28, 2008 1:35 PM

I think we should start a Pajiba dating site; fuck match.com.

And I'm currently doodling Skittimus' name on my notebook at work until another dreamy Pajibian guy steals my heart. Preferably in the New York area, looking for sarcasm and a penchant for doing regrettable things after drinking too much.

In the meantime I will definitely take up Bookslave's offer to buy me knickers.

Posted by: scorzi at August 28, 2008 1:49 PM

I think we should start a Pajiba dating site; fuck match.com.

I'm currently doodling Skittimus' name on my notebook at work until another dreamy Pajibian guy steals my heart. Preferably in the New York area, looking for sarcasm and a penchant for doing regrettable things after drinking too much.

In the meantime I will definitely take up Bookslave's offer to buy me knickers.

Posted by: scorzi at August 28, 2008 1:51 PM

$5.99 for Pajibite females who sign a waver to wire their entire house with hidden cameras.

Yes! I totally get it for cheap, because i will totally sign that waiver!

Oh, also, I love Se7en. totally creepy, shit myself, etc. etc. And glad to see Mr. Carlson is back to his old self after his slight meltdown earlier this week.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at August 28, 2008 2:40 PM

This movie is a Mind Fuck Without Contraceptive.

Posted by: Odnon at August 28, 2008 2:44 PM

Seriously, I love this film - I find it very calming to watch for some reason, if I can't get to sleep.

I do also wish that Morgan Freeman's Somerset had been able to deliver the following lines to Christian Bale's Batman:

"People don't want a hero, they want to eat cheeseburgers, play the lotto and watch television."

Somehow I think that would have been the most interesting crossover ever.

Most films think they're being Dark And Edgy this film just delivers without all the bells and whistles. The plot and story are never compromised, and while grim, the ending makes perfect sense - kind of like Oldboy.

One of my all time favourites.

Posted by: Fu at August 28, 2008 6:21 PM

Seven made me hate Kevin Spacey. Not because he's bad, but because he did a good job of playing a sick, totally unlikeable fuckwad, and that's how I've pictured him since.

Posted by: Lucas at August 28, 2008 6:45 PM

The last thing I remember from this one is screaming "Don't open the fucking box!" and then waking up two days later...

I remember waking up screaming "WTF!!!" the next day.

Posted by: Meander at August 29, 2008 12:03 AM

My absolute favorite moment is when they're driving through the desert and they come upon the dead dog, and Spacey deadpans, "I didn't do that."

It's brilliant. My other favorite quote is:

"Oh really? So, what were you doing? Biding your time? Toying with me? Allowing five innocent people to die until you felt like springing your trap? Tell me, what was the indisputable evidence you were going to use on me right before I walked up to you and put my hands in the air?"

Posted by: TK at August 29, 2008 4:45 PM

Oh, this movie was such a mindfuck. What I *thought* was in the box (the film did make much of the pregnancy, after all) was even worse than what was actually in the box.

And I had nightmares about Sloth for 2 weeks after watching this movie. I hate you so much, David Fincher, and thank you for a brilliant, incredible movie, and I never, ever, ever want to see this again.

Posted by: Pisco Sours at August 29, 2008 6:25 PM

After Seven was over, it was one of the only times I remember being too scared to get up and walk out of the theater. It is my favorite movie of all time. I love when Gweneth opens the door to Somerset and Mills and says "Hell-o, Men." It was just so sweet. And my friend and I always loved the part when Mills bends over the desk in the Lawyers office and says "See this? This is us" Because it was just such a goofy thing to do in the middle of a crime scene. But you had to agree, they were getting fucked.

Posted by: Jackie at August 29, 2008 10:48 PM

I made my friends watch this movie when it first came out on VHS. They were (getting) drunk and stupid, I wasnt, and I wanted peace to watch the movie. After two minutes they were ALL silent and sitting there, stuck to the screen. There were only two times that someone got up to get beers, and they got them for everyone. We all loved, absolutely loved this movie.

Its one of my favorite movies ever. And I agree with the guy above, Kevin Spacey completely owned hollywood (to me, anyway) for a year and a half or so. Keyser Soze, bitches.

I have a list of DVD's that I want, and my son pulls titles from it every holiday. When he's stuck on what to get me, he hits the list and just gets me a movie. I've gotten Training Day, The Usual Suspects, Remember The Titans, The Boondock Saints, Equilibrium (Christian Bale), and many other kickass movies But My favorite, to this day, is the Directors Cut Special Edition of Seven that he gave me, wrapped in cheap ass paper in a hurry, on Fathers Day of 2004. My kid is the shit.

We watched it together two years ago, and he remarked that he had never seen the whole movie all the way through, without the TNT editting.

He was horrified and elated at the same time.

Goddamn, I love this movie.

Posted by: Eric at August 30, 2008 2:01 AM

btw, the reason he chose this movie to buy me that year, we were having a conversation about movies, and he asked me my favorite movie quote ever. I immediately shot back with "Whats in the Box???"

he was clueless, so I educated him.

next favorite line, "that is some fucked up repugnant shit"

Posted by: Eric at August 30, 2008 2:05 AM

Pshaw. Se7en is no Irreversible. I can watch Se7en any day of the week and twice on Sundays - it is a great movie, no argument - but Irreversible is ten times as extreme and memorable, for its dialogue and scenes have burned into my brain. Meaning I only saw it once and can never watch it again for the rest of my life.

Posted by: Godless Sodomite at August 30, 2008 11:19 AM

I found Kevin Spacey as John Doe to be inexpressibly creepy because he was so bland and "normal" looking. Of course, that may have been the point.

Posted by: Noelegy at August 30, 2008 4:19 PM

Beautiful review, Daniel. Since I was little, I've loved the thriller genre (used to beg my mom to rent them, even when I was little, so she'd get comparatively tame '60s sci-fi/thrillers such Day of the Triffids and Them--beautiful memories). Consequently, as a junior in high school when Seven came out, I hit the theater opening night with some friends. I looked forward to a little gratuitous thrill, the minor elation of feeling secure after indulging in a vicarious and implausible threat.

What we saw fucked me up for days. I haven't been able to watch it since then, although your review has convinced me I should revisit one day when my endogenous mood is not too dark to withstand the utter dread and dissipation of this film.

The one addition I would make to your treatment of the film is a greater attention to Tracy's character. As you note, we are led throughout to believe that John Doe is committing these murders to punish the deeds of the victims and make a statement about the wages of sin... and Somerset and Miller are well convinced that this is his purpose. They are led to believe that they are fighting a battle with a moral architecture, which is the very thing that gives a sense of purpose (even in failure) to their pursuit. With the murder of Tracy, I think it becomes clear that the deadly sins were nothing but a manipulation and a conceit to toy with the detectives' on the deepest existential level. To me, this was among the most chilling aspects of the ending--that the man was not, in fact, a man driven by the demons of a misdirected spirituality and consequent sense of duty to punish, but a genuinely cold and dispassionate killer taking pleasure in playing conductor to the detectives' reactions solely because he wants to see if they'll do what he orchestrates.

Posted by: jenK at August 30, 2008 5:59 PM

" . . . a homicidal maniac. They look just like everybody else."

From The Addams Family

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at August 31, 2008 9:20 PM

jenK, you MAY have answered the question I was fixin' to ask. I've always been bothered by this - the only, in my opinion, problem with this movie. The first five (I guess) victims were killed in a manner befitting their perceived sins, right? Then what did the last two die for? I hope so much your explanation is also what the filmmakers intended to convey.

scorzi and Skittimus, good god, can we make it a three-way? I love both of you.

Posted by: Jenna at September 1, 2008 8:36 PM

This movie STILL disturbs me.

Posted by: Sorceressss at September 1, 2008 11:38 PM

jenK, that's an exellent point I hadn't considered. "Become for me. Become ... wrath."

John Doe isn't entirely emotionless, tho. When it dawns on him that Mills didn't know Tracy was pregnant, he breaks out in the sweetest smile.

Mercy, what an evil fuck.

Posted by: bucdaddy at September 2, 2008 1:18 AM

Laaaate comment, I know, but are all you people insane? This movie sucked. I wasn't scared, I wasn't impressed, and I predicted all these so-called twists immediately. Come on, it was boring.

Posted by: Cuno at September 3, 2008 11:17 AM