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Pulp Fiction / Drew Morton

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Quentin Tarantino’s second feature Pulp Fiction (1994) is a difficult film to evaluate in retrospect. Pulp has become something larger than life, chiefly due to the cultural tidal waves it stirred upon its debut at Cannes Film Festival, where it won the Palme d’Or. The film went on to win both further critical success and a massive box office gross when it was placed into wide release five months later. The dual fronts of Pulp’s success not only solidified the career of Quentin Tarantino (except for his acting career, but more on that shortly) but also proved to be a tipping-point for the American independent film movement. Hollywood studios began to scoop up or start their own independent labels and young filmmakers all over the world attempted to make a Tarantino film (see Troy Duffy’s insufferable The Boondock Saints). As you might have surmised, there’s a lot of baggage that comes with Pulp Fiction and the 15 years since its release has only made it more difficult to separate the film from its cultural milieu, as exemplified by the many books and articles written on Tarantino and the film (Peter Biskind’s Down and Dirty Pictures, Dana Polan’s monograph). In the end, that it seems an insurmountable task to address fully every aspect of the film in roughly 1,000 words. Yet, with that disclaimer noted, I’m willing to make what will undoubtedly come off as a humble attempt.

Allow me to begin by offering up the obligatory plot summary, which I’ve kept brief for those familiar with the film and vague for those who haven’t. Pulp is rigidly structured with a prologue, three main chapters (some with brief preludes), and an epilogue. The film’s first chapter, “Vincent Vega and Marsellus Wallace’s Wife,” follows hit man Vincent Vega (John Travolta) as he accompanies his mobster employer’s wife, Mia Wallace (Uma Thurman), to a 50’s inspired diner where they win a dance competition. The evening gets complicated when Mia mistakes Vincent’s heroin for cocaine and overdoses. The film’s second chapter, “The Gold Watch,” focuses on a boxer (Bruce Willis) who double-crosses Marsellus Wallace (Ving Rhames) when he refuses to throw a fight. This, in turn, raises the ire of Wallace who sends Vincent out to kill him. The film’s final chapter, “The Bonnie Situation,” takes its name from the potential of an awkward confrontation between Vincent, his fellow hit man Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson), their friend Jimmy (Quentin Tarantino) and Jimmy’s wife Bonnie. You see, Jimmy is helping the trigger men dispose of a dead body with the caveat that they complete the task before his wife comes home. Otherwise, there’s going to be hell to pay.

The guiding framework for Tarantino’s playfully complex narrative is once again the crime genre. Like Reservoir Dogs (1992), Pulp is also a deconstruction of the genre à la Jean-Luc Godard (rather fitting as Tarantino’s production company, “A Band Apart,” takes its name from Godard’s Bande à Part). While the heist-film without a heist structure of Dogs paid homage to Godard’s technique of de-emphasizing one generic trope in favor of another, Pulp takes this homage further by engaging in Godard’s preference for complex structure, narrative digression, and staging. Take, for instance, the prelude to “Vincent Vega,” which is essentially the opening to “The Bonnie Situation.” Looking at the placement of the sequence in the structure of the film, we’re given what will become (with the exception of Butch’s flashback to Captain Koons) the first event in the film’s chronological order. Yet, while the sequence plays into “Bonnie,” it also serves the function of alerting us to the potential powder keg of Marsellus’ feelings about his wife, who Vincent has been enlisted to entertain while his boss is out of town. Without the time-bending placement of the sequence and its ultimate abridgement (after all, it’s completed nearly two-hours later), the dangerous gravity of the first chapter would be lost in this sea of narrative.

Now, to analyze the prelude within the framework of narrative digression. Within the scene, Vincent and Jules discuss European fast food on their way to take care of some of Marsellus’ associates. The dialogue serves as a means of misdirection, as the audience is unaware of Vincent and Jules’ occupation until they retrieve their pistols from the trunk of the car. Since when do hit men talk about the metric system? It’s rather shocking to our ear and generic sensibilities to find this level of discourse between two hoods. When they do arm themselves, Tarantino cues up our expectations for violence (“We should have shotguns for this kind of deal.”), which he subsequently undercuts by having the duo back-off of the target’s front door (“It ain’t quite time.”). Tarantino, often held up as a director of violence, is extremely thoughtful in his deployment of it by teasing our interest with digressions, similar to Godard’s techniques in Pierrot le Fou (1965) and Made in U.S.A. (1966). Moreover, as alluded to above, his staging of Vincent and Jules’ dialogue before they enter the room, with their backs to the camera, is a prime example of Godard’s shunning use of medium-shot over shot-reverse shot patterns.

You may be asking yourself why I’ve just spent two lengthy paragraphs discussing Tarantino’s citation of Godard. I’ve done so because, more than anything else, Pulp Fiction is a postmodern text. Like Godard who at one time engaged in postmodern cinema by mixing the low-brow genre of the thriller with comic strips, pop music, and self-reflexive references to film, Pulp is not only governed by the postmodern act of cinematic collage but best understood in proximity to its ancestors. Yet, while postmodern practices can be intoxicating, there remains a possibility that over a period they become hollow and an act of pure spectacle. I believe Pulp stands at the precipice of this point: its postmodern structure was intoxicating and while it continues to supply that sensation, the act of constructing an homage to an homage has grown tired and has begun to grow stale, both in general and in Tarantino’s work over the years. In essence, Pulp not only stands as the one of the paradigmatic texts of the postmodern movement but also, via its extreme cultural resonance, helped kill the movement by inspiring texts in which there is no there there.

Yet, Pulp Fiction is not a hollow abyss of pastiche. While British film critic James Wood criticized the postmodernism of the film for being “stripped of any politics, metaphysics, or moral interest,” I would tend to disagree. Re-watching the film, I found the film’s final scene between Jules, Vincent, and Pumpkin (Tim Roth) to be seeped in morality. Following his near death experience, Jules informs Vincent that he has decided to quit his job as an assassin with the hope that God will put him on a better life path. This is an extremely heartfelt exchange and we tend to accept Jules’ religious revelation. After all, he forgives Pumpkin’s moral trespass and the film, with the exception of a joke, refuses to make light of his action. On the contrary, the film tends to judge Vincent by punishment in “The Gold Watch” for not following Jules’ lead. Clearly, to criticize Pulp for its morally bankrupt postmodernism is a misstep.

If I were to criticize Pulp Fiction, a film which I admire and enjoy but do not obsessively love or would declare as being absolutely perfect, I would tend to hone in on two performances. First off, there’s Quentin Tarantino as Jimmy. Despite his many attempts, Tarantino’s best performance came as an Elvis impersonator on “The Golden Girls” (1985-1992). Jimmy has some of the funniest dialogue in the film and Tarantino seems to play each line with a grating annoyance. Sure, I’d be pissed if two friends showed up with a dead body, but I wouldn’t show it in quite the same way simply because I’ve knowingly befriended a hit man. That’s like keeping a great white shark as a pet and becoming offended when it tries to eat you. It’s his nature! Finally, I’ve never understood the acclaim and best supporting actress Oscar nomination for Uma Thurman. She isn’t terrible, as she was in Mad Dog and Glory (1993), but I never found her as memorable or capable as Travolta or Jackson. To quote film critic David Thomson, “she contributed not much more than a baleful look, a cool attitude, black hair, and some Egyptian fresco moves on the dance floor.”

When all is said and done, I’ve always found Pulp Fiction to be an entertaining, well crafted, and intellectual engaging two and a half hours. Yet, it has always struck me as being slightly overrated, particularly when viewed in relationship to its older and younger siblings: Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown (1997). If there’s criticism in it to be found, it’s in a few of its performances, not in its postmodernism. Sure, it is lamentable that it inspired some terrible knockoffs. Yet, just as rape and murder cannot be blamed on Grand Theft Auto IV (2008), Pulp Fiction cannot be blamed for the powerful effect it had on American film culture.

Drew Morton is a Ph.D. student in Cinema and Media Studies at the University of California-Los Angeles. He has previously written for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and UWM Post and is the 2008 recipient of the Otis Ferguson Award for Critical Writing in Film Studies.


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Comments

THANK YOU for recognizing that Boondock Saints sucked.

Posted by: Eep at August 12, 2009 4:54 PM

You lost me at "insufferable The Boondock Saints".

Posted by: LowSlash at August 12, 2009 4:56 PM

It's dual, not duel.

Journalists should be self-editors.

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 5:05 PM

However, I don't get the love for Jackie Brown either. Maybe I'd have to see it again.

Just out of curiosity, what DO you consider a perfect film?

Fwiw I basically agree with your assesment, although I have a soft spot for the film because of the intellectual engagement. Whatever you might think of any individual aspect of it, the film feels alive in a way that most don't. I can forgive a lot for that. In fact I would almost argue that Tarantino's placement of himself in the movie, off-key acting and all, increases the sense of the movie engaging you, almost in a dialogue... just with somebody who talks so much you don't get a word in edge-wise.

Posted by: Eep at August 12, 2009 5:05 PM

i know a lot of people don't like quentin, but i have to say pulp fiction is in my top five. i love it. even his horrid acting doesn't tarnish the movie for me.

i will see anything that he's involved with as a director just as i'd see anything by pedro almodovar. his movies are not ones that i'll wait for to come out on DVD.

i also never understood the uma nomination.

Posted by: kelley at August 12, 2009 5:06 PM

Sorry, this movie is not overrated in the slightest. For when it was made, how it was made and the pop-culture that has evolved from it this movie is Godfather-like. It continues to stand-up to the test of time and will always be regarded as one of the watershed moments in American cinema.

While I agree with you on Tarentino and his acting...Jimmy asking Jules if he saw that famous sign, is hilarous now as it was when I first watched this movie.

Posted by: richmac at August 12, 2009 5:12 PM

Boondocks could have been better, had Troy Duffy himself not been such an insufferable jackass.

But the relentless spawning of so many imitators is the worst ripple at the edge of Tarantino's wake. Watching wannabe knock-offs knock off a knock-off artist really starts to lose it's quirky zing after about the first time it happens.

Posted by: Goldie at August 12, 2009 5:16 PM

This was lovely as I thought it would be...and I'm so glad to hear about it without referencing 'how crazy was that scene, man!'. In fact, (me not running in film crit circles) this (these, including Reservoir Dogs) may be the first thoughtful review(s) of Tarantino I've ever read.

Posted by: replica at August 12, 2009 5:17 PM

My problem with Pulp Fiction is two fold: One, Tarantino gets all the credit for writing it when in fact he had a co-writer. His first and last Oscar nod may have come on the back of a better writer.

Two, as a director, he stinks. Watch that famed dance sequence again if you question me. If he had to have it in the film, was that the best use of the camera? Plus, as mentioned above, the dude doesn't have enough sense to realize he himself can't act. And if he can't figure out he can't do it, how is he supposed to be able to judge when others are acting well/horribly?

As both a film school graduate and as a simple movie goer, I never got the love of this or any of his work.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 12, 2009 5:21 PM

Recondite,

Yeah, my grammar check missed that one. I hate Microsoft Works. I've grown lazy with grammar checking because of computers and it's hampered my writing because of it. You should e-mail Dustin and become an editor. I know I could use it! ;)

Eep,

I called "The Iron Giant" perfect, I also would say that "Contempt" is perfect, although not emotionally accessible (which is the point).

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 5:33 PM

I hear grammar check is cruise control to hands-off writing. As in, "I'm writing, but my hands are off on this one." It speaks to pride of authorship.

It also doesn't discern case.

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 5:46 PM

I take pride in my authorship and while the grammar-check crutch is still one of my faults as a writer, I think the main issue is that, like most of the writers I know, I'm blind to my own mistakes.

Specifically, I can stare at a page of my prose and overlook duel/dual mistakes, but my experience as an educator and evaluator of many papers has shown that I can find a needle in a haystack when it comes to a someone else's writing. It's an odd thing, which is why I bless my classmates and friends for participating in writing circles with me.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 5:53 PM

Read aloud, stare less.


8))

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 5:57 PM

After reading two of these I see a freight train headed towards us about how Jackie Brown was the high point of Tarantino’s career. But nope, sorry, not gonna buy that. As much as I wanted to like it, Jackie Brown was fucking boring.

Posted by: EricD at August 12, 2009 5:58 PM

I agree with LowSlash that you lost me with (see Troy Duffy’s insufferable The Boondock Saints).

That movie is sheer gold. Gold I say. I was the first one of my friends to get ahold of that gem and by the end of the semester we were watching it on the big screen in the student center with a crowd of about forty every other day.
Willem Dafoe is fucking fantastic. "Just pour the drink you fairy fuck."
Sean Patrick Flanery and Norman Reedus could have actually been brothers were it not for the fact they looked nothing alike.
I could continue...but I won't..."Fuck...Ass!!"

I'm going to continue reading your review now...
Man am I starting to love arguing with you...

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 12, 2009 6:06 PM

Boondock Saints is the dog in El Mariachi.

Posted by: Eep at August 12, 2009 6:11 PM

I don't think Jackie Brown was boring, but with all this academic talk of postmodernism, it might seem to that one person who inexplicably has not seen Pulp Fiction that - based on this review - Pulp Fiction is rather boring. That's not to say that I find this review does the film a disservice; I simply think that it does gloss over for me what are the absolute strengths of Pulp Fiction that make it a near-perfect film.

Those strengths are its dialogue, its attention to character detail, and an absolutely effusive organic quality. Its willingness to linger in the little moments that lesser films ignore lends it a verisimilitude that had me on the edge of my seat the first time that I saw it. Almost every scene in the film breathes vibrancy, expectancy, and exhilaration. To me Pulp Fiction is almost the perfect melding of comedy, drama, and action. Granted, these aspects of the movie are well-covered territory, so I can understand why this review focuses elsewhere, but any sort of Tarantino Pulp Fiction retrospective warrants mention of these strengths.

Additionally - for whatever reason - Tarantino's Jimmy works for me. I don't know; perhaps it's because the sojourn into the domestic world by Jules and Vincent needs some contrast with the heavier world of drugs and gangsters we've seen up to that point, and - if the performance is off-kilter - it fits as a result.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 12, 2009 6:17 PM

Recondite, don't be such a pisser.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at August 12, 2009 6:18 PM

Good review, Drew. While I disagree that Pulp Fiction is overrated, I can overlook this because you rightly call out Boondock Saints and praise Reservoir Dogs and the most underrated Tarantino film, Jackie Brown. Looking forward to your review on that...

Posted by: dg at August 12, 2009 6:21 PM

I am a pisser. Why would you ask me to act counter to my nature?

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 6:23 PM

I take pride in my authorship and while the grammar-check crutch is still one of my faults as a writer, I think the main issue is that, like most of the writers I know, I'm blind to my own mistakes.

Specifically, I can stare at a page of my prose and overlook duel/dual mistakes, but my experience as an educator and evaluator of many papers has shown that I can find a needle in a haystack when it comes to a someone else's writing. It's an odd thing, which is why I bless my classmates and friends for participating in writing circles with me.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 5:53 PM


Here, here. I feel your pain. I can not edit my own writing. I just know what I meant, so it is clear to me!

Posted by: "luker" the barbarian at August 12, 2009 6:37 PM

Jimmy adds a bourgeois/suburban counterbalance to Vincent and Jules' situation, and shows how his petty concerns in this case have to be taken legitimately because he IS helping them. Once Winston shows up, however, Jimmy becomes meek and agreeable, especially after he pulls out the roll of $100s. His anxiety seems to defuse in the presence of a higher authority.

How they came to be friends doesn't seem to be explained or a major concern. However, although they are hit-men doesn't mean they're anything-goes savages. Wouldn't that be a bit one-dimensional and un-post-modern?

Although the Godard identification is relevant, it is not the entirety of what makes this movie work. A person without Godard's points of reference and inclusion can still enjoy and appreciate this film for what it does and creates. Maybe it's a watershed moment because this is when eclecticism becomes mainstream or appreciated by a larger than art-house audience? I don't have the historical view of film to answer that question. There are many different directions to go with respect to discussion of this film and what makes it great.

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 6:37 PM

Yup I see that freight train coming too, EricD.

And I gotta say I can't wait for Mr. Morton's argument. And B-Unit, are you seriously going to say that Tarantino can't direct just based on the camera placement on one scene?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 12, 2009 6:38 PM

Recondite,

I don't think the Godard connection is the only piece that makes the movie work, I just felt it was a less followed path to take (as I noted above, it's a difficult film to write about in a fresh way).

Slim,

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. After all, I'm using your logic as the spring board into things. ;)

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 6:51 PM

Ok…*cracks knuckles*…and to all the grammar Nazis‘, go suck a fuck, that’s right I said it. I tend to judge on content, I could give two shits about grammar.

To start: It’s rather shocking to our ear and generic sensibilities to find this level of discourse between two hoods.
You assume they are hoods why? Do either of their dialogues really convey that they are uneducated and come from the hood? How about the fact that they are hit men and yet wear suits? Or that he did just get back from a vacation to Europe. To me they never appeared to be “hoods” or street thugs. But, for some other smooth talking assassins or thugs.
James Gandolfini in The Mexican
Taye Diggs in The Way of the Gun
Morgan Freeman in Wanted
Matt Damon in The Bourne Identity
Chris 'Ludacris' Bridges and Larenz Tate is Crash

Through the entirety of your review you keep insisting that Pulp Fiction only spawned crap. Sure, it is lamentable that it inspired some terrible knockoffs. Yet you never mention the good side. One of the first things you learn in debate is to know both sides of an argument. You should have at least mentioned a few good ones, say, for example, Amores perros (2000). A film that is not only shot in many ways like Pulp Fiction but in my opinion is also infinitely better.

Sadly, I'm agreeing with Recondite here.
First off, there’s Quentin Tarantino as Jimmy. Despite his many attempts, Tarantino’s best performance came as an Elvis impersonator on “The Golden Girls” (1985-1992)…Sure, I’d be pissed if two friends showed up with a dead body, but I wouldn’t show it in quite the same way simply because I’ve knowingly befriended a hit man.
Really? I would say his best role by far was in Desperado, not only for the joke he tells full of humor, but for the look on his face when the dude gets his head blown off next to him. To the second part. He knew them, there is no telling how long he’d known them (at least that I can recall, its been a minute), but it also says something that he didn’t really give a shit. Obviously he’s been around this type of chaos. Who knows what he was “known” for. For all we know he could have been some crazy ass fucking killer. I mean, after the coffee rant…he was a little too serious about the coffee. Then again…hold on, I’ll get there.

but I never found her as memorable or capable as Travolta or Jackson.
The unsung hero of this motherfucker is Harvey Keitel as "The Wolf". Back to the Tarantino role. How does his attitude change when the Wolf shows up? He is in the presence of someone he “is” actually afraid of. As well back to your argument on their dialogue. How about Keitel’s?

Why did your review make me want to watch Blood Simple?



Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 12, 2009 6:54 PM

I am a pisser. Why would you ask me to act counter to my nature?

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 6:23 PM

For the same reason I prefer that Quentin stop acting.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at August 12, 2009 6:54 PM

"But, for some other smooth talking assassins or thugs..."


OH OH! I got some:

Grosse Point Blank, Cusack, Akroyd, hell all of them.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 12, 2009 6:57 PM

Usually I pass on grammar scrutiny, as much as it doesn't seem so, but when we have a Ph.D. student screwing up duel and dual and not seeming concerned about it, well what does that say? It's one thing to say "thanks for catching that for me" but a completely different thing when people say "Why are you correcting him? It's just grammar." You know it's wrong; he knows it's wrong. Catching shit like that before publication can be the defining characteristic between being taken seriously and being suspect because you can't articulate the differences/nuances of your native language.

Post-modern in sensibility and appreciation, but not in your attention to detail? If this is about nuances and the lesser-known things, wouldn't grammar itself fall under this type of treatment/category?

Oh, wait, I'm pissing again...

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 7:07 PM

Deist,

It's shocking because audiences at that time did not expect that level of discourse to come from criminals. I'm not criticizing the film for that, I love it! Think of the shock waves that made? After all, all of your counter-examples were produced after Pulp Fiction. ;)

Also, I thought I was addressing the "good" side in praising "Pulp Fiction" and by writing a positive review of "The Way of the Gun." Clearly, I don't think all Pulp knock-offs were bad (I enjoy GO a great deal).

As for Jimmy/Tarantino: Jules refers to him as an associate, I can only assume he knows what he does for a living. For the record, I've never seen "Desperado."

Finally, I love the Wolf too, but I can only write about so much (and PF gives a LOT to write about) in a review.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 7:13 PM

Recondite, you should totatlly change your name to The Pisser make sure you put the "The" in there. Then again, people may confuse you for a bathroom.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 12, 2009 7:14 PM

A Ph.D. in movies, whew! Fancy that. Dr. Morton, there was a character by the name of “Big Chicken” on the old Hawaii Five-O series, sir, can you tell me the genesis of Big Chicken?

Posted by: Guess Who! at August 12, 2009 7:17 PM

I think all you folks seem to have forgotten the best performance ever by Quentin which was in "From Dusk 'til Dawn." It HAS to be considered his best if only for the simple reason that he actually managed to NOT play a variation of Quentin Tarantino.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 12, 2009 7:18 PM

The thing that always bugged me about Pulp Fiction was that Travolta won an Oscar and Jackson didn't.

To me Samuel Jackson's performance is the one unforgettable thing about the movie.

Posted by: John W at August 12, 2009 7:24 PM

Recondite, I'm surprised you're making such a big deal of the duel/dual issue and haven't yet mentioned the seeped/steeped problem.

Posted by: elizabeth at August 12, 2009 7:38 PM

Gotta take these monumental infractions one mountain at a time.

Any more editing and I'm going to start demanding a check.

8))

Posted by: Recondite at August 12, 2009 7:40 PM

BarbadoSlim, how the fuck can you say that? Man, that hurts my ears? The only role where he doesn't play himself? Really? Of course he rapes older women...look at him.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 12, 2009 7:41 PM

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but since when does that stop folks round these parts. As much as I was looking forward to this review, it read way too much like a film student's term paper and not a Scathing Review for Bitchy People.

"Now, to analyze the prelude within the framework of narrative digression."

"Moreover, as alluded to above, his staging of Vincent and Jules’ dialogue before they enter the room, with their backs to the camera, is a prime example of Godard’s shunning use of medium-shot over shot-reverse shot patterns"

"Yet, Pulp Fiction is not a hollow abyss of pastiche."

I thought Ranylt might be pulling an experiment on us to see if we criticized a review as harshly when written by a man, but apparently not. For me, Ranylt's reviews were overly academic when she started, but she seemed to lighten up and have fun with the site she was writing for and I began to enjoy her work a lot more.

I almost didn't finish the review, but I had hopes for the source material.

Better luck next time.

Posted by: Vee at August 12, 2009 7:42 PM

"To me Samuel Jackson's performance is the one unforgettable thing about the movie."

of course is unforgettable. we've seen it in three movies a year since then.

Posted by: EricD at August 12, 2009 7:45 PM

I also thank you for mentioning that Boondock Saints sucked.

Posted by: brenia at August 12, 2009 7:52 PM

If I could please have the address to all Boondock Saints haters...I would be much obliged.

Also, Drew, you totally didn't argue with me. Did you hit your head or something?

I'm so confused.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 12, 2009 7:59 PM

Vee,

Evidently, you're a new reader of my work.

Liz and Recondite,

Steeps or seeps is a matter of interpretation. Is it bathing in morality or leaking it?

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 8:03 PM

Given the state of grammer on the internet, a little sensitivity to grammer can only be a good thing. However, once it has been pointed out and akwnoledged can we please let it go?

What strikes me about this film is how it has become a cultural landmark of its era. That a postmodern neo-noir film meets hitman camp became a hit seems telling of its times.

Posted by: Mr. Junior at August 12, 2009 8:06 PM

Deist,

I'm glad you didn't interpret my post as argumentative. I was hoping to be more productive with it.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 12, 2009 8:08 PM

I don't hate Boondock Saints. That would imply something irrational or personal.

It's a BAD MOVIE. It's a papier-mâché version of the genre; it has visual style and violence but it's empty and lifeless on the inside. It's like what you would get if a talentless hack bartender calling himself a musician watched a bunch of really good movies and then tried to write something just like them. The problem is that he could comprehend and regurgitate was violence, suits, a duplo-block version of morality, and tough guy talk.

Posted by: Eep at August 12, 2009 8:19 PM

I tend to judge on content, I could give two shits about grammar.

That makes for a great sound bite, right up to the point where the faulty grammar starts to interfere with the reader's understanding of the content.
I'll leave it at that.

Oh, and Mr. Junior up there must be joking. Or proving my point. Right?

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 12, 2009 8:36 PM

is no one going to speak to ME?

Posted by: gp at August 12, 2009 8:45 PM

John W >> Travolta did not win an Oscar for Pulp Fiction. That was the year of Hanks and the rest of the ridiculous Gump landslide.

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Posted by: gp at August 12, 2009 9:14 PM

Here we go again ;-)

With a proper Tarantino feature about to arrive, and no prior Pajiba reviews of RD or PF, I guess I understand the need for Mr. (soon to be Dr.) Morton's reviews, even if I feel reviews of both are pointless.

All I can add is that seeing Pulp Fiction the night it came out, in a sold-out, old-school, Egyptian-themed theater with a bunch of Berkeley hippie film nerds was the single greatest movie experience of my life. The crowd was cheering when the names hit the screen during the opening credits. It was incredible.

I thought that maybe I'd have a similar experience in the years to come, but now I know there's no way in hell I ever will.

An oh yeah, JB is fucking solid and eminently re-watchable. Also, you whippersnappers can't appreciate the awesomeness of seeing Robert De Niro take bong hits. Ah, the '90s.

And oh oh yeah, the duel in Deathproof is so hard-as-nails it defies description.

Posted by: icecreammang at August 12, 2009 10:15 PM

Typical- now the PF review is up, I haven’t the time to discuss it at any length in it’s proper thread. Oh well.

Nice review, though I agree it might be a little alienating for someone unfamiliar with the film. The two things that continue to stand out about PF:
-the joyful energy the film maintains from beginning to end
-the way the narrative transforms a potentially predictable, downbeat crime story into an engaging, beautifully structured character drama about choices and consequences (other thoughts in the RD thread).

You can add to the list of “unwanted legacies” the unfettered fanboyism that overlooked the indulgences of many of QT’s later efforts. Your argument in favour of Jackie Brown over Pulp Fiction had better be convincing, for me it was the start of his slide into narrative excess and referential overload. While still enjoyable, JB was the first Tarantino film that had me thinking “ok, very clever but wrap it up please”, a trend that continued through Kill Bill I and II and (hopefully) reached it’s nadir with Deathproof (awesome car chase aside, the rest was pure wankery). Hopefully Tarantino learned that his audience’s patience is not limitless, otherwise I’ll be giving Inglorious Basterds a miss.

Posted by: RandyPanTheGoatboy at August 12, 2009 10:44 PM

I don't have any strong opinions on Pulp Fiction one way or the other, but I'm with Recondite on the grammar front. I stop myself from pointing out all the errors in the reviews because, frankly, I don't have that kind of time. Even though I end up forcing myself to ignore it, sometimes it's hard to take writers seriously if they're making simple mistakes.
A proofreader wouldn't be out of line around here once in a while. If only to catch the its/it's mistakes that make my teeth clench.
It's writing, people. Proper spelling and basic grammar is the basis of clarity. And beyond everything, shouldn't writing make some kind of sense?
/end grammar nazi rant

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at August 12, 2009 10:52 PM

I completely agree with DarthCorleone. Well said, my man.

Posted by: ed newman at August 12, 2009 11:11 PM

Vee,

Hear you. I usually have an iron-clad rule (which I broke many times here) that as soon as I hit the word "postmodern" in a review I turn the page, because I've read the definition and I've seen this movie and I still have no fucking idea what that means.

I'm not anti-intellectual, but still I would like to challenge Drew by asking whether he thinks Tarantino set out to make a "postmodern" film “stripped of any politics, metaphysics, or moral interest” while avoiding "a hollow abyss of pastiche" or if he just wanted to tell a good story? Who is a review like this written for? Other Ph.D.s?

And I don't get Uma Thurman either.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 12, 2009 11:28 PM

BSlim: Tarantino's a horrible director. My example is one of but a hundred moments you could choose from. He's too in love with his own reputation to be a great director. Kill Bill needed to be 4 hours long? Inglorious Basterds needs a 2 1/2 hour run time? Who does he think he is, Judd Apatow? Great film directors know one rule: Less is more. And he ain't learned that yet.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 12, 2009 11:58 PM

icecreammang,

i like your review/memory of the film. As a student myself, sometimes it's nice to step away from academic, more heady/serious interpretations of art (and film) and get back to the initial reactions the art garnered at the present time.

Drew,

'Proofreader's error' is actually a pretty common phenomenon. Off the top of my head, I can't recall any specific studies or stats from said studies but it is not specific to just you. Personally, the grammar doesn't matter to me. I believe you know what you're talking about and it doesn't undermine the context...sort of irritating when people get thrown off by minute details and ignore the broader, more important whole. As an aside, there's been a few (okay, maybe a lot) of work that has shown many people tend to focus on the negative/or thing that's "wrong" and ignore the positive so I suppose this is why grammar might annoy many.

Good review. I wonder how your training in film school has (or hasn't) changed how you watch films. I do not watch a lot of movies. There have been a lot that suck too much and have dampened my desire to peruse films. thanks for the review.

Posted by: Mik at August 13, 2009 12:05 AM

Drew Morton: Dear God man. A PhD in Film and Media studies? What is that supposed to lead to being? A glorified film critic who overanalyzes the assholery that is the modern media? You going to put that PhD to work on films like Transformers 2 and GI Joe? Because that's the future of film, my friend. It's summed up rather easily: simple idea + sucker audience = box office gold. That's P.T. Barnum, and ain't nothing changed.

As for your review of Pulp Fiction, you can write all the flowery words you want, but it comes down to most of the idiots out there seeing the film and saying, "I liked that part where they shot that dude in the face. It was fuckin' awesome!" That's why it's still revelant today. There's still a huge audience that wants to see innane shit like that which led to all of the knockoffs.

Hollywood ain't art. And you sure as shit don't need a PhD to figure that out.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 12:10 AM

Bucdaddy,

I don't know if Tarantino deliberately sat down and said "I'm going to make a postmodern film!," but his consistent citation of Godard and his artistic method are postmodern. I thought I made it clear in the review that I did NOT think it was a hollow abyss, void of politics or moral interest (not my words, a quotation of another film critic) due to Jules' religious revelation.

Mik,

My training in film studies has only taught me to historicize and theorize more thoroughly. I guess the former is appreciated by most readers here, the latter not so much. ;)

B-Unit,

Last I checked, the film/Hollywood is art argument ended in the 60s, which is what lead to the formation of my discipline and film and media literacy programs all over the world. While you may be right about some viewers only finding the violence poetic in PF, my parents (one went the college, the other was a blue-collar worker) admired the artistry of the characters and the dialogue. Not every spectator is as dull as you make them out to be.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 12:20 AM

Actually, for those us pursuing a film degree (Cinema Studies, not Film Production), what's it useful for anyway?

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 12:37 AM

Drew:

That art/film argument ended in the 60s? Really? And you're at the UCLA Film school? Because I was in film school 10 years ago and that argument was quite alive and taught at every turn.

Am I to summize that your studies pertain to world film then? So does that argument hold water in India and Japan then? Because I'm fairly certain that those films are made to be profitable just the same as Hollywood's dreck is.

And I never said the audience found the violence poetic. I said they thought it was cool. And what Tarantino ripped off in his films led to greater rip offs. Tarantino is a bad Xerox, and everything that's followed in his footsteps is even more blurry.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 12:39 AM

Also, Recondite mentioned reading out loud. I have to do the same thing for everything I write. My brain makes these leaps that my eye skips right over, every single time.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at August 13, 2009 12:43 AM

John: that film degree ain't worth the paper it's printed on. You wanna make it in Hollywood? You don't need a film degree (see Tarantino). You need to get your foot in the door by hook or by crook and then get to know people. It's all in who you know.

If you're already in LA, that's a good head start, but then you should know all the competition up against you. Look at the number of films made each year and then guess your odds of being involved in one of those productions. And if you're not yet in LA, you're already behind the 8 ball.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 12:46 AM

No no, that's the thing. I'm doing Cinema Studies. I don't even want to shoot movies. So I think the degree is almost entirely useless.

And I live in NYC.

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 12:58 AM

What the hell is cinema studies supposed to do for you? What's the money maker? Film reviews? Stuff that people give away for free on blogs?

I went for screenwriting, got the degree, won a couple of contests, got an agent and how far has that got me? Nowhere.

Instead I have a nonfiction book coming out in March. It's still writing, sure, but my agent tells me flat out not to write any more scripts because they are impossible to sell. The spec script markets dead, and the dirty secert is, the only reason it came to life was because of the first writers' strike about 8-10 years ago. I pity those that attempt to make it there now.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 1:04 AM

Shrug. They said study what you like. It took me 19 years before I realized that I spent so much time watching movies and whatnot, wracking my brain to figure out what I enjoyed, that I was blind to the obvious.

Maybe I'll get a knack for it eventually, but right now actually shooting stuff doesn't seem too high on my list.

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 1:09 AM

I thought I made it clear in the review that I did NOT think it was a hollow abyss,
---
Note that I wrote "while AVOIDING 'a hollow abyss of pastiche'" ...

Speaking of avoiding, you avoided answering my question about who it is you're writing for. Because quite honestly, the review reminds me of nothing so much as the Calvin & Hobbes strips Watterson used to draw in which Calvin would offer mostly nonsensical critiques of modern art that nonetheless would pass for masters theses at most of our finer universities.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 13, 2009 1:16 AM

You didn't answer my question there, John. What's your ultimate goal in cinema studies? If you don't know what it is, then you best get out. We all love watching films, but that ain't a job. And if you like making money and having stuff, then any job "art" related ain't for you either. Cuz art don't pay, unless you're lucky enough to be one of the rare exceptions.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 1:16 AM

A PhD in Film and Media studies? What is that supposed to lead to being?

Because I was in film school 10 years ago...

I went for screenwriting, got the degree, won a couple of contests, got an agent and how far has that got me? Nowhere.

Posted by: B-Unit

If you've explained it before then I must have missed it, but it has become quite clear to me that the "B" stands for bitter. Am I right?

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 13, 2009 1:17 AM

tcfka bucdaddy: That's why he's earning a PhD in this crap. He doesn't even know he's talking nonsense.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 1:20 AM

Yeah I was joking, though that's something I could easily do accidently. I mangle speling all the time.

Posted by: Mr. Junior at August 13, 2009 1:23 AM

Che: Bitter? No. Cynical? Yes.

I've been there, seen how the process really works, and realize it's 98% bullshit. I'm finding the publishing world is nearly as bad as I go through it with my book. But I think that's the case if you try to succeed in any art-related business. Those who can't do it alter the works of those who can while skimming profits off the top of it all. It's nothing new, but knowingly being taken advantage of is not fun.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 1:28 AM

Hmmm. I was expecting a fusillade in response, B-Unit, but that was actually quite measured. Art-related businesses are a bitch, no doubt about it. May you wind up with lightning in your bottle after all...

Posted by: Che Grovera at August 13, 2009 1:39 AM

What?

Posted by: Deistbrawler at August 13, 2009 1:57 AM

Wow. I go watch "Top Chef Masters" and this completely snowballed.

Drew:

That art/film argument ended in the 60s? Really? And you're at the UCLA Film school? Because I was in film school 10 years ago and that argument was quite alive and taught at every turn.

Am I to summize that your studies pertain to world film then? So does that argument hold water in India and Japan then? Because I'm fairly certain that those films are made to be profitable just the same as Hollywood's dreck is.

And I never said the audience found the violence poetic. I said they thought it was cool. And what Tarantino ripped off in his films led to greater rip offs. Tarantino is a bad Xerox, and everything that's followed in his footsteps is even more blurry.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 12:39 AM

The argument film as art argument lost its power as soon as TV studies came along, which was soon replaced by video game studies. Also, since when does something being profitable not make it worthy of study (see also literature and art in general)?

No no, that's the thing. I'm doing Cinema Studies. I don't even want to shoot movies. So I think the degree is almost entirely useless.

And I live in NYC.

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 12:58 AM

What the hell is cinema studies supposed to do for you? What's the money maker? Film reviews? Stuff that people give away for free on blogs?

I went for screenwriting, got the degree, won a couple of contests, got an agent and how far has that got me? Nowhere.

Instead I have a nonfiction book coming out in March. It's still writing, sure, but my agent tells me flat out not to write any more scripts because they are impossible to sell. The spec script markets dead, and the dirty secert is, the only reason it came to life was because of the first writers' strike about 8-10 years ago. I pity those that attempt to make it there now.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 1:04 AM

John and B-Unit,

Ultimately, we teach film studies and publish. I'm fortunate enough to get paid for that privilege right now and, if you're good at it, there's a nice living in it. A B.A. in it, like any other humanity, is probably, in your definition, useless (just like an English B.A.) but it does open doors to graduate programs (if that's your thing.)

Buccdaddy,

I'm slightly confused by your response, along with that of B-Unit. My audience? Well, perhaps I was aiming high, not for all tastes I know. Yet, my discussion of postmodernism can be found in almost any English or media undergraduate course. I feel, and even some of my students, colleagues, and friends who read this piece, that it is rather accessible and I've gotten quite a few kind words from Pajiba readers, thanking me for supplying something different. I'm sure if you were to pick up Dana Polan's book on Pulp, published by the BFI as an informed version of Cliff Notes, you would find a similar mode of address.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 2:11 AM

Hey Drew -

Great post. As a fellow Wisconsonite in LA (though I gave up Hollywood a few years ago), I appreciate you bringing some Wisconsin film intellectualism (I studied under Bordwell) out west, and keeping the torch of literate criticism alive.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Dan at August 13, 2009 2:56 AM

Dan,

Thanks for the kind words. I always envied UW-Madison students for having David Bordwell at their disposal. While I don't always agree with his theories, I love the lucidity of his prose. Sorry to hear you're not still on the pacific standard time, but hopefully you're not stuck in Janesville. ;)

-Drew

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 3:08 AM

Drew, I have to say that while I've enjoyed all of your reviews so far, this one kinda lost me. Like buc 'comma' daddy, when I hear the word "postmodern" I tend to go "Huh?" And I have a high-falutin' liberal arts edumacation and everything.

All I can say is, I enjoyed Pulp Fiction, although I haven't seen it in a long time. What I remember most about the movie is the sheer energy of it, and the dialogue.

And to some of the commenters above, if you have an opinion about Pulp Fiction, great. If you don't like Drew's writing style, and/or you feel the need to nitpick grammar (which I admit I sometimes do), that's fair. But don't attack him because you think "his major is stupid".

A glorified film critic who overanalyzes the assholery that is the modern media?

Um, yeah, doesn't that describe most of the people who write for this site? And you're reading this site. Apparently there is some purpose in sitting around analyzing the assholery of modern media. They're doing it for you. And Drew wants to get a Ph.D. in it. More power to him.

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Posted by: k.lucy61 at August 13, 2009 4:03 AM

I have to bone a pick with you, sir!

For me, Uma Thurman provides another heart in this movie. I find her performance to be quite cutting and almost wistful; the dinner scene I think is quite perfectly played.

I also think she's the only actor other then Samuel L. Jackson to truly calibrate her performance to the dialogue in this film.

I am fifteen kinds of interested to see what you think of her performance as The Bride.

Posted by: Brooke at August 13, 2009 7:26 AM

insufferable The Boondock Saints"

This is where you lost me. Duffy's insufferable, but the film is sublime.

Posted by: Paul D at August 13, 2009 9:12 AM

Drew:

I think the only part of media worthy of study would be propaganda in all its forms. How media can be used to outright lie to a gullible audience and make them believe in something they first perceive as rightfully false. How media controls perception and how its used to a wrongful end. That would be inciteful. The rest of it, to me, is wankery. But do as you like. (By the way, I'm a WI cheeser myself).

MM:

I usually only read this site for "news" - movie projects announced, etc. - and not the reviews. Reviews are 100% subjective (see above). You want to examine how the film was crafted, that's one thing, but a review comes down to one thing: did you like it or not? I can form my own opinions, thank you very much.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 10:12 AM

Drew,

Continue to aim high, sir. That the analysis is too thick for my comprehension does not negate the value of your view. I'll simply equate this to the way a jeweler would look at a diamond and describe the cut and the facet and the color, while a child would look at it and see a pretty rock.

So if I came across as snarky and bitchy (hey, where'd I get that?), please don't take it personally, I've enjoyed other pieces you've written. It's just that when I read something like this, I always wonder if Tarantino would read it and laugh his balls off and say, "'Postmodern'? 'Pastiche'? Fuck me, man, I don't know anything about that, I was just telling a fuckin' story."

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 13, 2009 11:12 AM

A thought about PF being "overrated": what does it matter?

Anybody whose enjoyment of a film is compromised by too much hype or accolades is, well, a fucking moron.

A movie--especially a "great" one--doesn't exist in a vacuum, but it does exist--at least for a time-in a moment where there hasn't been tons of shit said about it. This is place I try and force myself to be, either by seeing movies I'm interested in as soon as they come out or by reminding myself that only the weak-minded let the accumulation of others' opinions infect their own.

I don't know if any Grateful Dead fans lurk about here, but I find this example instructive: their "greatest" show was May 8, 1977. Over the years it has accumulated an insane amount of hype and hyperbole, by far more than any other show. Is it that much better? No. But make no mistake, it is incredible.

I guess my rambling point is that something can be both overrated and brilliant at the same time. Or something.

And props to Drew for engaging with the readers, unlike most of the gang up there on Mount Olympajibus.

Posted by: icecreammang at August 13, 2009 11:18 AM

You know, Drew, I think there's a good point in all this. What a useless waste of a degree. You should just drop out of film school altogether and go to plumbing school. Or heating and refrigeration repair school. Fuck intellectualism, you pretentious snob. You might as well be getting a degree in philosophy, for all the good it will do you.

*P.S. I intend no offense to plumbers or heating/refrigeration unit repairers. Some of my best friends are plumbers and heating/refrigeration unit repairers.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at August 13, 2009 12:13 PM

a personal anecdote:

I went to see PF at the theater with my parental units sitting on either side of me. I was 16. when Jules starts talking about putting tongues in holiest of holies, I broke out in a cold sweat. we survived the evening. and it was glorious.

i never tire of watching it, although i haven't revisited it in over 10 years. i liked and don't feel the need to return. i feel the same way about led zeppelin.

Posted by: gunnertec at August 13, 2009 12:17 PM

Brooke,

Re: Thurman

I was never amazed with her performance in PF, but that doesn't mean I think she's a poor actress all around. I prefer her work in KB.

MM and buc,

Re: Postmodernism

It's a topic I still hate to teach or describe because it is quite intimidating. Pastiche is just a fancy word for collage, which while Tarantino may not label his technique as, knowingly engages in. Again, Godard is one of his heroes, one of the main practitioners of PM and has been analyzed as such since the 60s. Tarantino is a smart guy, I'm sure he's familiar with the term. PM is central to so many texts recently, see Family Guy as a key example, that I didn't think I could ignore it here.

No offense taken. I understand the criticism and expected it when the piece ran.

Anna,

Thanks for that. All I can say is that, since reading David Bordwell's Film Art as a undergrad, I've been enchanted with the possibility of making money by teaching people about film in the classroom and through writing, a goal which I've accomplished. I get summers off and get paid to watch movies with people. To quote Jude Law in Road to Perdition: To be paid to do what you love, ain't that the dream?

-Drew

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 12:50 PM

Again, great review, Drew. I am not a huge fan of Uma Thurman, and must say I took perverse pleasure in seeing a giant needle punched into her chest.

Tarantino does a great job with ensemble casts. So many directors cast a huge spectrum of actors, both well-known and "hey, it's that guy," and sort of smear them all together. Tarantino gives each person in his large and very talented cast at least a few moments to shine in their roles and be very memorable.

Have to say I my favorite thing about PF, however, is that I am a Bonnie. We don't get our names used much...just with Clyde or that damned song. So, I have to say I love it for at least showing what ball-busting bitches we can be if we come home to find some kid's brains splattered all over our garage.

Posted by: dammitjanet at August 13, 2009 1:02 PM

I totally feel you, Drew. I went late to school (at the ripe old age of 33) with no idea what I wanted to study. I took a horror film class, pretty much for shits-'n'-giggles, and I loved it SO MUCH. It was utterly thrilling to engage in intellectual discussion about Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know? (Though it did take my baby sister to tell me, "So why don't you major in that?" Sisters, they are so wise.)

I mean, sure, I could pursue a degree in the accounting field, where I've been working for 14 years, but my god is it unfulfilling. Drainingly so. I would so much rather be... how did you say? "making money by teaching people about film in the classroom and through writing [...] get summers off and get paid to watch movies with people." It's not going to make me famous; hell, it might not even make me any money. But I'm okay with that if I'm engaging people in discussion, and maybe even helping someone gain a different perspective.

It's better to have joy than money, any day.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at August 13, 2009 1:07 PM

P.S. Film Art is the text for one of my classes next semester. (I already have Film History from a previous class, and picked up the collection he edited with Noel Carroll, Post-Theory: Reconstructing Film Studies, for "fun reading".)

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at August 13, 2009 4:16 PM

I've never read Post-Theory, but my understanding is that it proposes cognitivism (like Edward Branigan) in favor of high theory (he's taking aim at psychoanalysis and other Grand theories). While I appreciate aspects of cognitivism (i.e. audiences are hard wired into schemas that help make sense of narratives), I think it has the potential to replace one monolithic theory with another.

After all, as reception theory has proven, not all audiences engage with a text in the same way (Stuart Hall's notion of encoding/decoding).

Yet, Bordwell is an accessible and lucid writer. His "History of Film Style" and, for all the disagreements I have with them, his "Classical Hollywood Cinema" (co-written with Kristen Thompson and Janet Staiger) and "The Way Hollywood Tells It," are a joy to read.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 4:30 PM

Sorry, Kristin (not Kristen) Thompson. Don't know how I bumbled that.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 4:31 PM

Pluralist theories will be the only types that do justice to art. Monolithic theories presume that there is ONE type of way to perceive/interpret it.

Also, when it comes to art theory, I would say it's best to not co-opt the language of science. To do so is to conflate the two. Science has hard figures and calculation; art has no credible reliance on being objectively "proven".

Art theories tend to be introduced not because of some new breakthrough in human understanding, but because of what a Ph.D. in the field magically conjured from their mental wiring, i.e., was able to articulate what a thousand-plus people already intuited.

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 5:23 PM

I also embrace pluralism but I disagree with your observation that "art has no credible reliance on being objectively 'proven.'" You make it sound as if even a modest observation such as "film language changed over the past 100 years" is impossible to prove scientifically. Yet, scholars like Barry Salt and David Bordwell have literally charted it by observing "objective" characteristics such as average shot length and structural patterns.

Sure, art can be interpreted subjectively to a degree, but there's nearly always a common perspective that viewers will share.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 5:59 PM

"but there's nearly always a common perspective that viewers will share."

Nearly always? No.

Eye of the beholder and what-not.

Isn't the point of art theory to embrace and explain the divergence in perspectives?

Presumption of a common perspective is why cinema is full of shitty movies, and the reason why sites like this exist.

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 6:11 PM

I think you're misinterpreting my comment. Surely, anyone who watched "Pulp Fiction" for instance will walk away with the impression that they, as a base-level, just watched a movie about people with guns who occasionally take part in a dialogue.

Anyone who reads "Catcher in the Rye" will say they've read a book about a teenage kid.

I'm being vague for the sake of argument, but I bet you can take those generalizations a whole lot further until you start to experience different shades of interpretation.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 6:16 PM

Drew, like I said, I tend to enjoy reviews that are both intellegent, but entertaining as well. I think my point was that this review tended to read like a paper from a film student for a film student. And from what I'm reading, a lot of the people who are positively commenting have film degrees or have taken film classes.

Which is fine, I just think that a review on a site like Pajiba could be a little more accessible, while still being smart and well written. Feel free to aim high my friend, but perhaps dial the ostentatiousness down a skad.

To your comment of "Vee, Evidently, you're a new reader of my work.", you're right, I somehow managed to miss your pieces in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and UWM Post. ;)

Posted by: Vee at August 13, 2009 6:18 PM

Vee,

I meant at Pajiba. ;) Sure, my PF review is a bit less of a review and more of an analysis than my other pieces (like The Hunger or The Iron Giant), but I always like to throw analysis into a review. Otherwise I'm just a film reviewer, not a film critic.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 6:21 PM

Mis-interpreting or re-interpreting? There's too much cognitive static to tell.

8))

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 6:23 PM

Catcher is not about a teenage boy; it's about nostalgia for something that was never there.


Just because the narrator says it's a teenage boy does not presume that I have to automatically take his word for it. Maybe it's the pining of woebegone days of a 30-year-old placed into the narrative shell of what's being called a teenage boy. Otherwise, he does not inhabit 3-dimensional space and therefore is a construct subject to wide interpretation. I'm pretty sure you've had some contrarians in your classes to take this tack? Especially w/respect to post-structuralist theory and semiotics. When you get into this territory the possibilities of interpretation become wide and damn near infinite.

Just sayin', ya know.

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 6:31 PM

Yeah, you can make that claim and I have classmates and colleagues who have been known to make ungrounded interpretations. Yet, if the text does not support it, how can it be taken seriously?

There is a base interpretation that people walk away from a piece of art with. Depending on the text and the spectator, that base can fluctuate. After all, readers of this review who have seen "Pulp Fiction" will be familiar with my summary, even if they do not ultimately agree with my full interpretation or judgment of quality. While I may not align myself completely with the cognitivists, I don't buy the notion that an objective reality doesn't exist.

Even viewers of a surreal piece of art, which encourages individual interpretation, will walk away with a some sort of common experience. Take "Mulholland Dr." for instance. We may debate the interpretation of the third-act shift, but we'll still agree that we've watched a mystery film. Viewers of "Un Chien Andalou" will still come away with the impression that they watched the bizarre interactions of a man and a woman.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 7:10 PM

Personally, I love your intelligent, well written reviews Dr. Drew. I've learned quite a bit from them and I appreciate your viewpoint. As for Pulp Fiction, I really like the hot man-on-man action.

Posted by: MissNev at August 13, 2009 8:08 PM

Here's my problem with this sort of thinking on films (and any art for that matter): sometimes the cigar is just a cigar, you know?

Without access to the artist who created the work, what one assumes to be symbolism, deeper meaning, representation, etc. often times could be accidental or non-existent.

I can't remember who the filmmaker was now, but in one film class I took a relatively famous director came in to do some Q&A. A classmate asked a question regarding a specific piece of symbolism in his work. The director was dumbfounded. He didn't do it intentionally, and was surprised someone made a connection he never even considered.

Over analyzing a shallow subject like modern film can play tricks with the head.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 13, 2009 8:26 PM

In some circles, authorial intent is dead.

"Over analyzing a shallow subject like modern film can play tricks with the head."

Underanalyzing anything of artistic merit can lead to dumbassery and shows lack of mental acrobatics.

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 8:55 PM

In short, B-Unit, you've made an argument for Lowest Common Denominator entertainment.

Congratulations.

Posted by: Recondite at August 13, 2009 9:01 PM

Miss Nev,

Thanks. I just hope Maynard never calls Zed to tell him I'm stuck in his spiderweb.

B-Unit,

I never thought I would say this, but I'm finding myself on Recondite's side on both issues. Authorial intent isn't the end all, be all.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 13, 2009 9:12 PM

I guess I hadn't ever really thought about teaching with a cinema degree, but it doesn't seem too terrible. The "being a poor teacher" thing, I'm not too keen about. But really, it's either that or nothing.

Shit, now I'm thinking of switching to something "useful" in the same field, like Audio or Video Production.

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 11:20 PM

Also, Anna von Beaverplatz, I'm getting really nervous about this sort of thing now. Living in potential squalor to structure young minds? Noble, sure...but realistic? Financial security would be something really sweet to look forward to.

Posted by: John Darc at August 13, 2009 11:29 PM

Wait, wait, what about media studies? It's apparently fairly useful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_studies

Posted by: John Darc at August 14, 2009 12:10 AM

I'm not for/against LCD art. Some of it is great. Some sucks. My argument is that many pieces of "art" simply don't merit such highbrow intellectualism that gets assigned to it. To me, a case in point is the film that started this thread.

I love The Godfather, but would breaking it down and examining it deeper make it better? Would it make it worse? To me, it wouldn't do either. It simply is. A viewer takes from it what they choose.

As for author intent: Try being the author, then re-ask the question.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2009 1:04 AM

John,

Media studies is pretty much synonymous with film studies (aka cinema studies, communication arts, what ever other name the college wants to call it). UCLA changed it from critical studies in film and television to cinema and media studies. It's always changing names. ;)

As for the "poor teacher thing," professors don't make bad money. An assistant professor (the first tenure-track rank) starts off between roughly 65-70,000 a year (remember, we have summers off though!) at a doctoral university. Higher ups earn between $80,000 and 120,000 with the highest salaries reaching $161,000.

See The Chronicle of Higher Education: http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/ratingscale/2009aaupratingscale.htm

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 1:05 AM

B-Unit,

Regarding your "Godfather" proposition, examining the film intellectually can tell us a great deal about our society. "Godfather" has been ranked one of the top ten films ever made in America, it has a huge cultural resonance. Aren't those important topics to consider?

While you might simply say that it's popular because it's well-crafted, it's more complicated than that. Movies often offer an escape, but what are we escaping to in "The Godfather"? A life of crime? Is that what everyone wants? The American dream? Is it a cautionary tale regarding greed and capitalism?

As for your author question, New Criticism (an approach to literary criticism) would posit that the author's intent is completely negligible. My own opinions are that it should occupy a middle-ground: it should be taken into account, but not given the power to overrule.

Case in point? If Ridley Scott says Rick Deckard is a replicant in "Blade Runner," I'm willing to explore the possibility. Yet, I would need textual cues (the unicorn dream, the red eye effect of all the replicants) to ultimately buy into it.

Directors and artists are like any other person in so far as their interpretations shouldn't be placed on a pedestal. As Roland Barthes wrote in "The Death of the Author," "To give a text an Author" and assign a single, corresponding interpretation to it "is to impose a limit on that text."

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 1:24 AM

Drew:

To answer your first question, is The Godfather's cultural impact worthy of study? No. It's a just a movie. The driving force behind its creation was profit for the investors. Just because the artists that made the film did such a wonderful job of it and the film continues to profit the investors that instigated it doesn't mean anyone needs to dig a deeper meaning and reflection of society from it. If you want to go that extra step, fine, but don't think it's essential and ultimately benefits society. People do the same thing with certain sporting events (see: Ali), but in the end, it's just a game.

While I still argue that if you haven't created something for others to "examine" yourself, then you can't simply dismiss artistic intent out of hand. And this is no attack on you, but why do people who study the media take a position that puts their argument of an artistic work over and above the artist's intent (if known)? These sorts of "art snobs" artificially inflate their own opinions and make lesser works of art "great" based on their own sometimes limited personal views.

But I think the mark of a great artist is one who can create something that doesn't require interpretation from a so-called expert. That doesn't mean it's one dimentional, but it's something one could take on the "LCD" level and enjoy, or if wanted, peel back layers and see a deeper truth inside (if one even exists).

To me, it's a lot like the argument that you need an outside expert to interpret the Bible to really understand it. No, I think if its "God's word" then I don't need your help. I should be fine on my own. Same with art. If the artist did the job, then I should feel what's intended by the work. I don't need someone to tell what what makes this or that "great." I can decide that myself. You can argue it 'til you're blue in the face, but if I think it sucks, it sucks. All the flowery words in the world won't, and shouldn't change my mind.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2009 2:18 AM

Reductionism at its finest..

So one night I tried watching Fellini's Satyricon and Juliet of the Spirits back-to-back. I have to say the first was impressive but I'd be hornswaggled to make heads or tails of the second...

Posted by: Recondite at August 14, 2009 3:10 AM

John, listen to Drew. He knows what he's talking about way more than I do.

I will tell you this: At the uni I've transferred to, there is no longer a film studies concentration available. It's media studies instead. This falls under the Communications umbrella. I was disappointed, but decided to do it anyway, because I can kind of create my own sub-major and make it all about film. You can do the same, whether film is your interest or you decide you're more interested in television, music, video games, advertising, or what have you. The overarching theories of media are useful to understanding the more specific theories of the individual areas.

Also, between an increase in retiring professors and an increase in the influx of students into higher educational institutions, the next 6-8 years will be an excellent time to get into teaching, especially in newer/growing disciplines.

The Department of Labor's Occupational Outlook Handbook is a super place to check out potential careers, by the way. The page I've linked is the Postsecondary Teachers page. I did not mean to imply, by the way, that teachers don't make money (college teachers, anyway); I was referring to my own pitiful luck at finding a job that pays well AND is what I want.

To me, it's a lot like the argument that you need an outside expert to interpret the Bible to really understand it. No, I think if its "God's word" then I don't need your help. I should be fine on my own.

But... but... every single person has a different interpretation of the Bible depending on their cultural and life experiences... and it was written by men... in a COMPLETELY different time with different mores and values and technologies and... there's the whole "translated from dead language" issue... and...

Oh, never mind. This is why I'm really interested in the field of semiotics as it relates to film.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at August 14, 2009 10:22 AM

B-unit makes an interesting point... ultimately media art is communication and entertainment, and if the creator deliberately makes something referential and/or obtuse to the point that it's exceedingly difficult to fully understand then it's difficult, at least superficially, to say that they've succeeded at either of those purposes. I do, however, think that you could begin to construct an argument that for a large section of the population you have to look at things on a meta level because entertainment for them requires engaging their minds by communicating incompletely and asking them to fill in the blanks with experience and imagination. It seems obvious that if you're going to push some in that group, you're going to exceed the capabilities of others within and without that group and thus fail superficially while succeeding on the meta level.

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 11:35 AM

My argument may be summed up best by a moment taken from the Simpsons: When Lisa finds some college friends, she joins a media studies class. The teacher shows an Itchy & Scratchy cartoon then asks what it "means." Lisa's friend gives an obtuse answer, the teacher states that was obvious, and asks what else? The joke is: there was nothing else. The first answer didn't even make sense. It was a cartoon - one in which a mouse decapated a cat. To put more into that would be absurd.

It's not "reductionism" as Recondite stated above. Perhaps that just the way it is. Deeper meaning doesn't always have to be ascribed to something just because you want it to be there.

By the way, note that this is a rare moment for this website as an argument has not fallen into the normal realm of name-calling.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2009 12:21 PM

B-Unit:

"Just because the artists that made the film did such a wonderful job of it and the film continues to profit the investors that instigated it doesn't mean anyone needs to dig a deeper meaning and reflection of society from it. If you want to go that extra step, fine, but don't think it's essential and ultimately benefits society. People do the same thing with certain sporting events (see: Ali), but in the end, it's just a game."

Just because it's an object made for profit does not mean its use in society cannot tell us something about ourselves. It's not that it ultimately benefits society either. Films work in a very ideological way and can tell us something about the general national mindset.

"f the artist did the job, then I should feel what's intended by the work. I don't need someone to tell what what makes this or that "great." I can decide that myself. You can argue it 'til you're blue in the face, but if I think it sucks, it sucks. All the flowery words in the world won't, and shouldn't change my mind."

True, but perhaps an expect can bring you a new perspective, grounded in history or theory. Since when is embellishing a point of view unnecessary?

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 12:30 PM

As much as I might agree that people often go overboard in breaking down simple entertainment, I'm just not sure that some or even a preponderance of anecdotal examples is enough to say that looking for and understanding the times when there is an underlying technique being used to communicate with you isn't a worthy pursuit.

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 2:27 PM