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Death Proof / Drew Morton

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Before we get down to brass tacks, I need to issue a quick disclaimer to cut the potential Gordian knot of this Death Proof (2007) review. I am not reviewing Grindhouse (2007) which, for the few who actually saw it in theaters, was constructed out of abridged versions of Robert Rodriguez’s Planet Terror (2007) and Quentin Tarantino’s Death Proof (hereafter DP) and included previews for other coming attractions in the exploitation genre. My reason for doing so is pragmatic, as Grindhouse has not been released on video in the United States. The two films were elongated and separated for DVD release, making DP the only version of Tarantino’s film widely accessible to the contemporary viewer (I believe Japan is the only country where Grindhouse was released in its theatrical form on DVD). Thus, in this review, you will not find an assessment of DP with relation to the double-bill program. Tarantino and the Weinstein Brothers released a stand-alone text to the ancillary market and it will be treated as such.

DP, in both its 90 minute and 114 minute versions, never worked for me. This sad fact should come as no surprise for those of you treading through this retrospective with me, possibly holding the same hope that Inglorious Basterds (2009) will somehow redeem the mess known as DP. I wrote in my Jackie Brown (1997) review that I felt Tarantino had skidded off into producing films only capable of satisfying spectators with the same eclectic taste in films as himself. While I felt shades of that reaction during Kill Bill: Vols. 1-2 (2003-2004), my worst fears were realized after emerging from a screening of DP the other night. I voiced my displeasure to a friend, who responded, “Well, Tarantino was making an homage to a D-level exploitation film, so I guess in order for it to succeed, it had to fail. That’s its Catch-22.”

True words indeed: the Catch-22 of DP is exactly what produces my pure hatred, my undiluted loathing and contempt for the film. The fact is that Tarantino has deliberately produced a bad film that the spectator must watch ironically. We’re not supposed to drawn into this world; we’re not made to sympathize with the characters. No, we are held back by the sheer insanity of Tarantino’s noxious cocktail from feeling the slightest connection to this film and its diegesis. Allow me to be more specific, by offering up a spoiler riddled plot summary before, to paraphrase Jules in Pulp Fiction (1994), going structural on DP’s ass. The film’s first half involves two girls (Vanessa Ferlito and Jordan Ladd) taking their friend (Sydney Tamiia Poitier) out for her birthday. They get drunk, smoke weed, and discuss their desire to fool around with boys without getting too serious. Later that night, the grizzled Stuntman Mike (Kurt Russell) comes along with his death proof car, which allows him to engage in vehicular manslaughter without any medical consequence, and kills the three of them. During the film’s second half, Mike stalks four more women (Zoe Bell, Rosario Dawson, Tracie Thoms, and Mary Elizabeth Winstead) but ultimately finds that the tables have turned.

While my summary is undoubtedly facetious, it also remains a solid description. Concisely, DP is a film structured around 90 minutes of dull conversation from superficial characters we’re not supposed to empathize with in the slightest with a 30-minute car chase providing the viewer with a well-deserved reprieve. While I will concede the points that the car chase is indeed jaw-droppingly executed and that watching Kurt Russell’s Stuntman Mike get his comeuppance is extremely entertaining, the rest of the film is so incredibly weak that the final thirty minutes couldn’t help but get better. Without a doubt, the biggest weakness of the film is that it actually has potential. Tarantino makes some very intriguing moves, yet he quickly undermines and underlines them. Take, for instance, the killing off the film’s three main protagonists in the first hour of the movie. That’s a refreshing move (even if I’m playing naive by ignoring Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho). Yet, Tarantino undermines the power of it by using annoying characters as the fodder. Sure, you could argue that by using such characters Tarantino is aligning us with Mike in a Cronenbergesque move to make us relish the violence, ultimately manufacturing a startling critique of spectatorship. Yet, unlike Hitchcock or Cronenberg, Tarantino never follows through, undermining the promise of his original maneuver; it is purely a topical flourish.

As for a promising aspect of DP that ultimately becomes tired due to Tarantino’s heavy-handedness, look no further than the sexual subtext of Stuntman Mike and his actions. Even a viewer untrained in the theories of Sigmund Freud would have a hard time missing the sexual violence that stands at the center of Mike. For starters, Mike comes off as awkward amongst members of the opposite sex, particularly in the scene in which the girls offer him a toke of their joint. Then, there’s the hood ornament on his car, undeniably phallic, standing as the only way Mike is capable of physically engaging with members of the opposite sex (when he isn’t trying to fondle their feet when reaching for his dropped keys). Now, this subtext would make for some intellectually engaging celluloid if it weren’t underlined repeatedly. Sadly, Tarantino doesn’t stop with Mike’s social bumbling and the dick…sorry, I mean duck…car accessory. Instead, he supplies Sheriff Earl McGraw (Michael Parks) with nail on the head dialogue in which he speculates as to Stuntman Mike’s sexual sadism (“I’d guesstimate it’s a sex thing….Probably the only way that diabolical degenerate can shoot his goo.”). As if that weren’t enough, the sexual implications of the film’s climactic (pun intended) car chase, in which the girls rape the rapist, is also underlined with dialogue (“Oh you know I can’t let you go without tapping that ass one More TIME”) and a hood ornament. The subtext has become the text, all of the film’s subtleties have been blown out of proportion like Gallagher with his mallet and watermelon.

When all is said and done, DP is a barren, badly crafted film, which sadly appears to have been Tarantino’s objective. Undoubtedly, as many of the defenders of the film argue, many of film’s quirks are experimental. Despite the film’s feeble attempts at experimentation, what we ultimately are given is a piece of self-proclaimed trash that does its job too well. As I said before, we’re made to watch the film ironically. Well, personally, I’ve never been a huge practitioner of ironic spectatorship. Sure, I enjoy “Mystery Science Theater 3000” (1988-1999) from time to time or even a screening of Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2 (1987). Yet, DP isn’t like the bulk of bad films we watch sarcastically because, unlike Plan 9 From Outer Space (1959) or Troll 2 (1990), DP wasn’t produced with the slightest hint of sincerity. The failure of DP wouldn’t be such a travesty if Tarantino hadn’t begun his career with the three films that embodied cinematic enlightenment. In the end, the only enlightening aspect an optimist can walk away from Death Proof with is that they can now tell a bad film from a good one. Quentin, I hope you decide not to follow some of your colleagues in the American independent film movement (particularly Wes Anderson and Kevin Smith) by continuing to take the path of idiosyncratic self-indulgence. We’ll find out on Friday with Inglorious Basterds, for better or for worse, if the snarky shark has been completely jumped.

Drew Morton is a Ph.D. student in Cinema and Media Studies at the University of California-Los Angeles. He has previously written for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and UWM Post and is the 2008 recipient of the Otis Ferguson Award for Critical Writing in Film Studies.


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Whatever, dude. Neither DP nor Grindhouse en toto require this level of dissection.

Stuff blowed up real good, etc.

From a cinema point of view, however, the chase scene that closes DP is sheer white-knucle awesome, pure technical brilliance. It's up there with the KoaCC (King of all Car Chases), Bullitt.

Obviously it doesn't make up for having to sit through those stupid chicks prattling on about radio ga-ga. Who cares. The car chase is still required viewing.

I made my brother watch it while he was recovering from major surgery. He has a short attention span, a low threshold for stupid chicks prattling on in Tarantino-speak, and was hopped up on goofballs. He was ready to fucking KILL me but I kept telling him to hang in there.

After the car chase, he thanked me. And gave me some goofballs.

Other notes:

Zoe Bell rocks.

That one chick looks like a goddamned vampire bat.

Posted by: icecreammang at August 20, 2009 4:59 PM

I do not like the beginning of Death Proof because I find Jungle Julia to be an annoying twat-faced skank. The only reason I kept the movie going was because I knew that Jungle Julia was going to get killed real good. I was not disappointed when she finally shut the fuck up for good.

I was disappointed that I didn't get to spend just a little more time with the second set of ladies. Besides being a million times more bearable to watch, I figured they were going to give ol' Stuntman Mike a run for his money shot.

When I watch Death Proof now, I start at the death of Jungle Julia, Blonde Girl, and Bad Haircut McDazedFace. It makes them seem like a short intro instead of the waste of time that they are when watching the movie in full.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits (aka Dangle McGee) at August 20, 2009 5:17 PM

I liked it. Unironically. I get that it's an homage, but it stands on its own two feet as a popcorn action flick, regardless of whether the viewer is familiar with the genre it's meant to emulate.

And, as one of the great feminist filmmakers of our time, Tarantino made great use of his female actors (I disagree that the victims from the first half of the film are meant to be disliked, and in fact I liked them a lot), and damn HELL if Zoe Bell doesn't make me feel lesbianish.

Also, Kurt Russell blew my damn mind. I had no idea he could be so creepy.

Posted by: Judith Priest at August 20, 2009 5:26 PM

When I saw Grindhouse, by the time the second set of girls were onscreen, I was 3/4 through a pint of Southern Comfort(hands down, best time my friends and I ever had at the movies). Needless to say, I missed a few of the subtler points of Death Proof, if they exist. Then, my Dad started watching my little brother's copy, and he loves it. So, I watched it again with him. I gotta say, I have a good time every time I watch it. For me, it may be pretty empty leading up to the crashes and chases, but there is enough style in both halves to allow me to coast on to the good parts without getting bored. It's kinda like running out of gas while playing Rad Racer and coasting, and just barely making it over the checkpoint line and then taking off again.

I don't know, perhaps this movie doesn't deserve such ire.

Posted by: pissant at August 20, 2009 5:30 PM

I loved Death Proof. Every last ever loving ounce of it! Even the assinine conversations had my attention. It's the little details of how people speak to each other that really make you understand a character. I actually didn't find the first set of girls all that annoying. They seemed like a bunch of chicks I would hang out with on a Friday night. And while the pacing was slow, it wasn't any slower than regular life. Although, it was still somehow faster than most reality television.

Posted by: james at August 20, 2009 5:42 PM

That's way too deep for me. This is an exploitation movie, and I treated it as such. I knew it was going to be bad, but I was able to enjoy it "non-ironically."

Here's an exact copy of my train of thought:

Nice ass this movie should be fun to look at anyway...Vanessa Ferlito is hot...Rose McGowan is so slutty looking sometimes, but she's still hot...KURT RUSSELL IS SO AWESOME...hey hey a lap dance *SPROING*...there goes Vanessa's face...mmmm Rosario...wow Zoe Bell is really cool...nice car...oh shit watch out!...take that, Stuntman Mike!...this song rocks."

Ahem. So yeah, I dug this movie.

Posted by: Snath at August 20, 2009 5:46 PM

I think this reviewer has missed the point of the film entirely, while at least tangentially criticizing Tarantino's themes. It's not supposed to be bad bad, its supposed to be bad good. And it is. The use of dialogue and sturcture is interesting and on point. I read a review that said something about how the dialogue in this movie is what people hanging out actually sound like, and if its a little obtuse, QT did it on purpose. The gender roles are pretty cool and fun. The reviewer criticizing Russell's character's motives is like critizing Halloween becuase Mike Myers is hard to relate to. He is supposed to be a lunatic with gets his comeuppance, and that is exactly what happens, in fun style.

Posted by: ac at August 20, 2009 5:47 PM

The perils of being too intellectual for one's own good: the word is diegesis not diagesis though I had to Google it to find that out. Drew, you could have just said narration and not sounded like you were trying so hard.

But that's kind of superfluously bitchy grammarian bullpucky so nevermind.

I don't think this movie can be reviewed without a comparison to the cheeseball D-level muscle car chase movies like Vanishing Point which it homages, but which you have mysteriously left out of your review. I haven't seen that movie despite Tarantino's implied recommendation because I suspect it's really not that good unless you're a dateless teenager defaulted to the drive-in on a Saturday night, back when there still were drive-ins, but it's certainly a contextual backdrop to any in-depth interpretation of Death Proof -- without explaining what Tarantino was trying to achieve it's hard to make the case that he failed.

I didn't mind DP that much because of the quintessential Tarantino quirkiness, but I can see how the dialogue can be annoying. It's not really meant to be a good movie, as you pointed out, but isn't that a kind of self-referential deconstruction of the genre which wasn't all that good to begin with?

Which is to say, I disagree Tarantino jumped the proverbial shark with DP. It's more like this is a vanity printing of a cherished novel that fanboys will avidly praise but few others will choose to read. It's not like he hasn't been busy with other projects which surely will be more mainstream.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at August 20, 2009 5:47 PM

...and on the jumping the shark comment. I thought the term "jumping the shark" only applied to long running television shows. Like when a beloved and well respected show that is failing in the ratings does something so over the top to get viewers that they all but kill the show. Am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me on this? I need examples or I will go mad with pondering.

Posted by: James at August 20, 2009 5:49 PM

I don't get how you think this was produced without the slightest hint of sincerity. I think Tarantino sincerely loves hot chicks, fast cars and the thrill of driving fast while performing dangerous stunts. He casts his buddies, he casts himself, he unearths gems for his soundtracks, he writes dialogue that is ridiculous and hilarious at the same time. Combine all of the above with some good old fashioned ultra-violence and you've got what Tarantino does best. I felt like this film was him boiled down to his very essence. And everybody else is right, that car chase is goddamn brilliant. This movie was a good time and sometimes, that's all I ask of my movies!

Posted by: zooby at August 20, 2009 5:54 PM

Neo,

Thanks for the diagesis/diegesis check. For some reason, the spell check ran with the first and not the latter, so I had to check it out and manually add it to the Microsoft dictionary on my Works.

I used diegesis because the difference between narration and plot can confuse people in more ways than diegetic can. Thanks for the spell check though. I really do appreciate it.

As for Vanishing Point, I've seen it, but all they have in common is a car and a car chase. Vanishing Point is like Easy Rider with a muscle car, it's not really a thriller.

James,

"Jumping the shark" can be used for film or television, normally when a text is viewed as being within a series (as this one has been).

Zooby,

I think QT is being sincere in his desire to make a good bad movie, which seems false.

Regarding the car chase,

Yes, I love the car chase. It's the only reason I own the DVD. Unfortunately, there's 90 minutes of movie leading up to it. Personally, one stellar sequence can't forgive bad filmmaking (see The Matrix Reloaded).

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:05 PM

Your last line tempers the title of your review somewhat, but I don't think you can say that Tarantino has "jumped the shark," given that we have not seen another film of his yet. The term as I understand it implies a failure from which one never recovers, with the quality lacking at all points after. Tarantino still has many years of directing left in him (I hope), and - particularly given your appreciation of his first three films - it's far too early to dismiss someone who has proven himself to be an extremely adept cinematic storyteller. Certainly - whether Inglourious Basterds satisfies you or not - he has the potential to make another great film. Even judging his canon as you have, he seems no more uneven in his output to me than many other gifted directors whom I do not think we would say have "jumped the shark."

DP fails in what it set out to do as far as entertaining you goes, but I do not think Tarantino failed in what he set out to create. Whether the viewer is capable of viewing DP ironically seems almost incidental to me as objective critique. I maintain - as I mentioned in my comments on the first couple threads of this series - that Tarantino knows exactly what he's doing when he makes these films. It's not some impulse beyond his control that causes him to create his regular movies versus those set within his "movie within the movie" universe. It just so happens the last few efforts have fallen into the latter category. Given that Inglourious Basterds is also in that category, I wonder if you'll be in an ironic mood tomorrow or if you are already predisposed not to simply enjoy the film on that level.

Don't get me wrong; I think the former category has much more potential when it comes to making a great film. And as I said before, I hope he returns to those stories soon. If his taste and personal creative impulse never return there, then I see it as Tarantino's (and our) loss. That doesn't mean, though, that I can't have a fun time at the theater with the shared understanding of a sly wink and the grain of salt that DP and Inglourious Basterds request from viewers.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 20, 2009 6:08 PM

And you are on the Inglourious Basterds review right Drew?

Posted by: Chugga at August 20, 2009 6:19 PM

Darth,

I don't think Tarantino failed in what he set out to create, I think he created something he believed in but the desire to deliberately make a bad movie (which a grind house movie normally is synonymous with) just seems like a waste. I don't doubt that Tarantino enjoyed himself, but this seems like one of those movies that he made purely to satisfy his own fascinations, which he assumed the audience would go along with.

Most people I've spoken to about the film think he failed in compromising his interests with those of a general audience. I'm not saying a director can't make a personal film that actually does its job well, I'm simply saying that there is perhaps a greater risk of failure involved.

I'm actually excited for Basterds (which, if recondite notices, I misspelled by writing "Inglorious Basterds" instead of "Inglourious Basterds." I hoping for the best and while I realize it might be in the second category, I don't really mind as long as there's something to it.

I should note that I won't be reviewing it for Pajiba, as Dan already had it in the queue before I got here.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:19 PM

I was the target market for Grindhouse. I loved Death Proof. I loved the full length version of Death Proof, as well. I enjoy obscure B-Horror/Exploit movies most of the public has never heard of and, if forced to watch, would most likely not see any merit in a film that was forced to be about suggestion or sensation of full use of cinematic techniques.

Death Proof was smart, funny, sexy, and suspenseful as all get out. I'm also aware that many hate this film. I respect that.

I also really respect that Drew Morton has thoroughly climbed out of my head and gotten a separate personality and I'm not trapped in some twisted parallel dimension with a clone I never met (or maybe I was the clone). I was starting to get a little paranoid as each review he put up was of a film I was considering reviewing with a similar reaction and approach. It was spooky.

Posted by: Robert at August 20, 2009 6:22 PM

seriously, every time i see "DP", my mind falls into the gutter and i can't understand what i'm reading.

Posted by: gp at August 20, 2009 6:26 PM

I totally agree with the review. The dialogue was horrible, which was surprising since Tarantino is usually so good with it. And the two girls who seem to dominate every conversation are made too bitchy to really care about. The car chases and stunts are ok, but not nearly enough to make up for the rest of the flaws, especially the slugfest at the end. Planet Terror was vastly superior while seemingly staying true to its premise.

Posted by: Dave at August 20, 2009 6:32 PM

Robert,

Glad to be out of your head. It was getting a little cramped.

GP,

Wow, I hadn't realized that DP was an ill chosen acronym until you mentioned it. Had it been DVDA, I might have, but DP? I'm used to DP standing for director of photography. Not, you know, the other thing that comes with double the pleasure and double the fun of the DVDA. ;)

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:34 PM

Drew,

Point taken. While I enjoyed DP for what it was, I do agree that Tarantino could have spent our time more productively. I won't judge the quality of his time, particularly given what a legendarily fun time he, Rodriguez, and company had on the set of From Dusk Til Dawn, which did not necessarily translate into a great movie. Often the set experience and the output do not coincide in quality. Still, if he were to die of a heart attack or suddenly decide to retire tomorrow, DP would seem at least a slight waste of potential with better entertainment that might have been.

Thanks for these reviews. I enjoyed your perspective, and although you're not the assigned reviewer for Basterds, it would be cool to see some feedback from you in the comments section. You established momentum with these reviews, and I'll be curious about your opinion as it relates to this series.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 20, 2009 6:35 PM

Drew, you could have just said narration and not sounded like you were trying so hard.

Yeah, seriously. You don't have to try and impress us with your knowledge. It's very off-putting and somewhat patronizing. "Narration" and "plot" are pretty straightforward terms.

That said, I'm pretty sure I could tolerate Death Proof, but it's not something I ever seriously considered watching. It's one case where the trailer chased me away.

After reading Snath's review, I might put DP in the Netflix. Because I am not so highly refined in my tastes that I can't enjoy cotton candy for what it is.

Posted by: alphawhiskey at August 20, 2009 6:38 PM

Darth,

Thanks. I'll try to chime in, I've got tix to the Avatar preview tomorrow and Basterds shortly after, so comments will probably appear by Saturday afternoon.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:39 PM

sorry, but this is cracking me up (i'm a little high):


DP, in both its 90 minute and 114 minute versions, never worked for me.

As for a promising aspect of DP that ultimately becomes tired...

DP wasn’t produced with the slightest hint of sincerity

I didn't mind DP that much because of the quintessential Tarantino quirkiness

DP fails in what it set out to do as far as entertaining you goes

Whether the viewer is capable of viewing DP ironically

While I enjoyed DP for what it was

i may have to go lie down!

Posted by: gp at August 20, 2009 6:41 PM

Alpha,

Narration and plot are nearly always confused by UCLA students taking the class I TA, history of American film. It normally takes a long discussion of the difference between plot and narration in order to hash out the differences. I was going by past experiences in the classroom, my intent was not to be patronizing.

As for film cotton candy, you must have missed my glowing reviews of "Wild Things," "Joy Ride," and "The Way of the Gun." I'm not above having a good time with something that doesn't have give itself a Earth shattering assignment but I do get disappointed when a film tries to have its cake and eat it too (being un-seriously serious or vice versa).

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:45 PM

GP,

You forgot the obvious: "going structural on DP’s ass."

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 6:46 PM

Okay, Point taken. I was going by the simple definitions of narration being a thing that happens to explain what's going on and plot just being something that was.

I guess this must have just been your banana flavored popsicle of a movie. (I hate banana, my dad love them. I'm an orange man myself)

Posted by: alphawhiskey at August 20, 2009 7:01 PM

now you're reaching.
seriously, dude.

nah, just fuckin' with you.
i do want to go find EVERY review everywhere and read them, inserting DP where i may.

Posted by: gp at August 20, 2009 7:02 PM

I was one of the few who got to see Grindhouse at theaters before it got yanked and split up. I enjoyed it for what it was -- bad cinema -- and did so without any irony whatsoever. If you've sat through Yor, Hunter from the Future or Megaforce, you find Death Proof and Planet Terror aren't that awful.

That said, what surprised me about DP is that it's way too talkative. At least Rodriguez had the good sense to intercut action and gore and ridiculousness (Sayid collecting balls?) with his stripper-turns-leader storyline. Tarantino shoves all of his action (with the exception of 1 scene) into the last 15 minutes of his movie. The rest of it is an hour of chicks talking. That's boring shit!

Posted by: Fredo at August 20, 2009 7:09 PM

Alpha,

I think they can appear to be simple definitions that we might take for granted, but when you ask a science major what the difference between plot, story, and narration is, it can get a little hairy. Not that I can blame them, I'd react the same way if I was to explain some geometry formula that I hadn't studied.

Fredo,

If we're shifting focus to "Grindhouse," I would have to say that the best parts were the trailers for "Machete," "Thanksgiving," and "Don't!"

"Planet Terror" satisfied me as a good piece of b-grade pulp and I agree that it fulfilled the assignment better than "DP." Tarantino tried to put lipstick on a pig and pass it off something greater than the sum of its parts.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 7:19 PM

Drew, I guess we're not going to agree, since I liked the movie that lead up to the car chase. Admittedly, I liked the part with the second group of girls more, but that's probably because I'm a girl gear-head. I thought Stunt Man Mike was effectively creepy, I loved the scene with him and McGowan and frankly, I think QT expertly played with tension and suspense throughout the entire thing.

It doesn't really ring false to me because I think he tries to make good bad movies every time out. Most of his movies are modern takes on exploitation flicks.

Besides, I thought he really wavered from the whole idea of deliberately making a bad movie here. He kind of does, at first, but he flat out abandons it in the second half and suddenly, it's a thoroughly modern, straight-up thriller with tough chicks who take a stand. I wish it had been that way all the way through and for me, the first half failed a little, but overall, I enjoyed it. Whether I did so ironically or unironically... who cares?

I'd be interested to hear what you thought of Rodriguez's half of the Grindhouse project. Because to me, that one was way worse in terms of winking and "get a load of how terrible this is!" Maybe the zombie-esque parts in that one lend themselves more to the bad is good angle.

Posted by: Zooby at August 20, 2009 7:38 PM

And now I know what you thought about Planet Terror. Consider me informed.

Posted by: Zooby at August 20, 2009 7:45 PM

Zooby,

If you want a modern, straight-up thriller with tough chicks who take a stand, go watch The Descent. That's one of the best horror flicks I've seen in years.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 7:48 PM

@Drew: The trailers worked great as a wink to audiences. Perhaps if they had let them be the tongue-in-cheek aspects and done the features as serious, then things could have worked better.

I'll agree with Zooby on Stuntman Mike is a great Tarantino character and Kurt Russell eats up the scenery with gusto. Sadly only Zoe Bell and Tracie Thoms seem ready to rise up to his challenge -- everyone else is too interested in something else.

Oh and let me second the love for The Descent. Really straightforward horror and well done.

Posted by: Fredo at August 20, 2009 8:06 PM

Tarantino should be taken to task for the hunk o' crap DP is. No one should set out to make a bad movie, no matter the reason. Tarantino and friends were green-lit to do so only with the knowledge that they were suckering their fan base into seeing it, thus profiting off their names. Meanwhile, good cash went out the window which could have financed a better film(s) from better filmmakers - or better yet, given a new filmmaker a first chance.

I can enjoy good "bad" film, but no one can set out to make it. It just happens. The forced feeling in DP proves the point.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 20, 2009 8:51 PM

The only redeeming qualities this movie had were the car chase and Kurt Russell (Jebus, he was all kinds of creepy). Sadly, neither was enough to make this piece of crap worthwhile. The other characters made me want to stab somebody, especially Jungle Julia and to a lesser degree Kim (Tracie Thoms). The dialogue constantly had me wondering if QT was really that full of himself or was he making fun of himself? If it was the latter the joke was way too frakkin' long. My complaints go on and on regarding this movie. I went in wanting to like it, I really did. Obviously, it didn't turn out that way and because of this one I have never been able to bring myself to watch Planet Terror.

Posted by: Eyvi at August 20, 2009 8:51 PM

I picked up "Death Proof" on sale a while back and still haven't watched it. I saw it as part of "Grindhouse" and liked it just enough to want to watch it again maybe, I just wasn't sure when. This review has got me thinking I might pop it in this weekend. I do remember the car chase at the end was excellent.

On a side note, I still can't believe Weinstein gave Tarantino and Rodriguez a $70M budget to make 2 movies that ended up being this bad.

I really think "Inglorious Basterds" is going to be really, REALLY not good. Bad vibes all over that one. Yes, I misspelled it incorrectly but the whole dipshit spelling on this flick just seems like the first of many problems.

Posted by: TylerDFC at August 20, 2009 8:55 PM

…the Catch-22 of DP is exactly what produces my pure hatred, my undiluted loathing and contempt for the film. The fact is that Tarantino has deliberately produced a bad film that the spectator must watch ironically. We’re not supposed to drawn into this world; we’re not made to sympathize with the characters. No, we are held back by the sheer insanity of Tarantino’s noxious cocktail from feeling the slightest connection to this film

….is all this film deserved. Deathproof might be cotton candy, but when I’m looking for tasty fluff, I don’t want to spend 90 minutes wrestling the bag open.

Deathproof was Tarantino going full retard. B-grade cinema from B-grade director works when there is energy and naiveté that taps into “dammit, it’s not great but there are some good ideas there.” Deathproof on the other hand was a director capable of realising those good ideas but deliberately refusing to do so. Tarantino’s best films are smart stories from low genres, but Deathproof was just a smart guy playing dumb. End product: a patronising and self indulgent mess of a film.

Still, the authenticity of the production speaks to Tarantino’s qualities as a filmmaker, so there is at least hope that it was just a poor artistic choice by a capable filmmaker rather than a shark jumping moment*. The guy can still make a movie.


*Shouldn’t this only be judged once the full body of work is complete? Snappy title though :-)

Posted by: RandyPanTheGoatboy at August 20, 2009 9:13 PM

Drew, I did watch The Descent. I thought it was great. Awesome, even, despite the fact that I'm not a big horror fan.

But I don't think you need to watch Death Proof ironically to like it. On the face of things, it was a fun, scary, exploitation/car-chase movie with pacing issues. I don't think he failed in compromising his interests with those of the audience, because people I talked to DID like it. Hell, the original Pajiba review of the movie was overwhelmingly (for Pajiba) positive. I'm not saying it's the best movie Tarantino has ever made, but it certainly is not such a hideously unwatchable movie that it will forever taint (Heh. Taint. DP.) his career as a filmmaker.

Posted by: Zooby at August 20, 2009 10:22 PM

Rock on, Zooby.

Taint....*snicker*

Posted by: alphawhiskey at August 20, 2009 10:34 PM

Zooby,

Glad you enjoyed The Descent.

Perhaps my personal screening experience might elaborate upon my negative opinion. I originally saw "Grindhouse" in theaters, opening day, with four of my cinema studies colleagues at UCLA. When we walked out, all of us had an air of disappointment. The consensus was that RR had successfully completed the grind house homage assignment (even though "Planet Terror" wore out its welcome after a while) and that Tarantino just tried to do it his way, which I think made "Death Proof" stand out like a sore thumb in the context of the whole experience.

Maybe we were tired after the opening feature, maybe the whole kitsch of the whole thing had worn off by the time "Death Proof" got started, but we all felt that between the dialogue and characterization (except for Kurt Russell) that it was tedious and boring.

I was hoping for my evaluation to change when I viewed the film on its own. Yet, my opinion did not change for the issues stated above. Do I think its ultimately unwatchable? No, I've fast forwarded to the last thirty minutes four or five times since it came out on DVD. I do think that its experimentation and mysteries are sabotaged by the whole premise of making a bad film though.

As I said, this is a film whose only sincerity is to be a bad film. Tarantino knew that and embraced it but that doesn't mean I can forgive him for it or write it off because he deliberately set the bar six feet under ground.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 20, 2009 10:39 PM

The Desent made me afraid to turn of my lights and made me never want to go near a cave. Deathproof reminds me of how wicked it is to hangout with my girlfriends drink beers and talk about boys, and be tough and not take shit from some dumb assholes. Maybe its because I'm a girl, I am so sick of the female characters looking pretty and being knocked out of the way in the final big exciting fight. We give birth.We are not the weaker sex. Plus Zoe Bell is amazing. All action movies seem to end with a huge CGI battle that has no suspense or fear, I was terrifed for the girls in the car and I'm pretty jaded about that kinda thing.
Drew, I'm assuming your male. If you have been bought up to watch out for skeevy older men with bad intentions, then Deathproof is a wicked relief
and change of pace. I'm not saying you can't have a penis and like Deathproof, but I don't think QT (yeah I can't spell his name right)made it for you, he made it for all the kick ass chicks that are sick or boring ass crap like Wolverine and Transformers 2. I don't want to see Megan Fox running in slow mo away from exploding CGI primards. I want to see Zoe Bell strapped to the hood of a car being a total badass. I don't need you to carry heavy stuff or kill bugs for me. I won't brust into tears if I see a sad puppy. After a break up I'm not heading for ice cream. I am a tough kick ass women that can look after myself, I know a ton of them in real life. I want to see more of them in movies and on TV.

Posted by: whatevs at August 20, 2009 11:40 PM

I love Death Proof, and I think it's actually my third favorite Tarantino movie. When I saw Death Proof in the theater as part of Grindhouse, I did feel a little disappointed by it, although I thought it was far better than Planet Terror, which I really wanted to love--zombies, Fergie getting killed, Rose McGowen with a machine gun leg? Sounds awesome--but it sadly fell flat for me. I think the theatrical version of Grindhouse felt like it was stuck between not going far enough to be to bad good and going too far to be good bad. My intial reaction was that the best parts were the faux trailers, because they went totally balls out insane, but also didn't get bogged down into trying to make a few awesome ideas into a cohesive plot.

A few years later, I watched Grindhouse on DVD and found that I adored it. I don't know if it's because I didn't have to sit the awful PT first, or if the extended footage made it that much better, of what, but it definitely grew on me.

I've read many reviews of the film on sites like IMdB and Amazon, and the most vocal people who dislike Death Proof seem to be men who don't like how much the ladies curse, and can't buy the female characters because women don't talk like that. To which I can only say, it's a fucking Quentin Tarantino movie, what the fuck did you expect? And, part of the reason I like the movie, is that the conversations rang true and worked as examples of how my friends and I talk to each other. So I feel Zooby and whatevs on this. I think it would be interesting as (part of) a feminist study, and it made me realize something I found intriguing; Rose McGowan is blonde when she's a victim, but brunette when she's portraying a powerful female. Is that a choice she makes, a coincidence, or something the directors have done on purpose? Can anyone think of any movies in which this isn't the case?

Another reason that I enjoy watching this, which is totally personal and doesn't speak to the quality of the movie at all, is that it was shot in my neighborhood, and I get a kick out of seeing some of my favorite places in the movie. When my best friend came to visit, we watched it (she also loved it), and I took her on a tour of the places in the first half of the movie.

I also agree that he was being sincere. He had hot chicks being badass, good music, sexy cars, a creepy psycho and awesome real stunts. What could do you need from a popcorn flick?

Posted by: Christina at August 21, 2009 3:32 AM

Drew -

Certainly, there's a level on which I appreciate your cerebral reviews. However, for me, this whole exercise has just seemed out-of-place as it relates to Pajiba. I'm used to reviewers bringing a hatchet to films and not a scalpel. You're a fine surgeon. Just not what I come to Pajiba for. I almost would've preferred Pajiba posting links to another site (your own?) for these reviews. I think that might be part of what's going on here. I have read nearly all of the comments and I think, at some gut level, people may just be reacting to the level of dissection.

Or maybe Tarantino really is that polarizing.

Cheers.

Posted by: gunnertec at August 21, 2009 7:43 AM

I loved Death Proof. I don't have time to get a detailed argument going but I thought it was great. I was also surprised at how rewatchable it is. After seeing it a few times, its still good.

Even with this film, I dont think Tarantino has lost anything at all. He's still brilliant.

Posted by: bubblegumshoe at August 21, 2009 9:13 AM

*waits for drew to review "don's plum"*

Posted by: gp at August 21, 2009 9:55 AM

Drew, I think you've really misread this film.

Death Proof was not a deliberatley bad movie meant to be watched ironiclly. It was an homage to Exploitation/Grindhouse cinema. There is a big difference between something intended to be ironic and something intended to be nostalgic.

It's frustrating because you seem aware on some level of the proper context and meaning and then you just completely wiff with lines like: "this is a film whose only sincerity is to be a bad film"

Wrong. It is sincerly intending to be a good film. It's obvious that QT (and RR) love the old movies that inspired these films and set out to have fun making movies in that style that incorporate those conventions and quirks. Sure they diliberately sabatoged some of their production value, character development, dialogue, even the film stock itself. That doesn't mean they were trying to set the bar low and make bad movies. In fact, it's the opposite: Their premise is that modern films have lost some of that rawness, inventivness, and edge- the pure giddy joy of fast cars, fast women, real stunts, hard-boiled characters- and they were trying to tap into that and get it back.

To what extant they succeeded is up for debate. If it wasn't your cup of tea to begin with you probably aren't going to like it (Grindhouse was, obviously, a vanity project and not made for mass consumption). Criticism of the long establishing scenes (where QT indulges his love of writing dialoge and filling out a soundtrack) or the heavy-handed sexual metaphores are reasonable, but to claim that the movie was made to cynically riff on the cache of bad 70's exploitation movies is to miss the point in a big way.

I'm tempted to get way into this, dust off some David Foster Wallace quotes about the use/overuse of irony in postmodern culture and the way it can thwart sincearity and sentiment... Instead I'll just say that the thing I love about Quentin Tarantino is that he always seems to love the movies he makes. He may not be the most talented writer or the most technically proficient director but he is one of the more passionate filmmakers out there, and I dig that about him even despite the flaws of the film. I think he has a lot in common with PT Anderson in the way his movies are very personal (call it idiosyncratic or self-indulgent if you must) and filled with little obscure references and call-backs to other movies. I just don't think your interpretation of this as "badly crafted... self-proclaimed trash" meant to be watched ironicly is valid.

Posted by: Yossarian at August 21, 2009 10:39 AM

Yossarian,

But I think one of the key reasons Tarantino and/or any other cinephile watch exploitation cinema is for an ironic camp value. Camp, as Susan Sontag defined it, involves excess, pretentiousness, and frivolity. The difference between "Grindhouse" and "Death Proof" is that, unlike other camp texts, they were produced with that position in mind. As Sontag also noted, "You can't do camp on purpose." If its intended to be campy, it just doesn't work. The pleasure of camp is finding a serious work and engaging with it ironically (like Troll 2!).

The aesthetic of "Grindhouse" encourages a camp position, yet it doesn't work as a straight film or an ironic one because its trying to have it both ways.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 21, 2009 12:46 PM

I gotta agree with Drew on this one. The horrible dialogue that dragged on FOREVER in the beginning was unbearable. I don't know how I made it through the whole movie. I would describe it thusly: take all of the Pulp Fiction dialogue, double the amount of time for said dialogue, double the amount of the actual dialogue, remove all witty, interesting, and clever elements of said dialogue, then put it in Death Proof. Clearly the purpose of this extended blah, blah, blah wasn't to engender any sympathy for or empathy towards the characters. I hated them. I hated this movie. The ONLY good part was Stuntman Mike killing the first set of obnoxious chicks.

Posted by: Hoof Hearted at August 21, 2009 1:43 PM

I really liked Death Proof. But I have a weak spot for wisecrackin' hot chicks in booty shorts, so it's a given.

And the soundtrack is fucking fantastic, once you drop all of Tarantino's bits of dialogue. Seriously, in my top 5 favourite albums ever.

Posted by: beingclear at August 21, 2009 2:01 PM

I always catch flack for this, but I think Tarantino is one of the best feminist filmmakers today. His women characters are total badasses and if they are ever objectified sexually those that do the objectifying pay for it. Yes, he often indulges in too much dialogue and most of his films could stand to have about half of the yakkity-yak cut out. But Death Proof was awesome as was the entire cast (save for Rosario Dawson who only ever plays Rosario Dawson)and BIG ups to QT for giving Zoe Bell some recognition- it's not easy to make it as a stunt woman and Ms. Bell has made quite a splash since getting some face time in Death Proof having since guest spotted on Lost and co-starring in a Ted Raimi flick (the title of which I can't remember). At any rate, the car chase was fucking incredible and the ending was hilarious and grossly satisfying in my opinion. I thought it was oodles of fun.

And ditto on "The Descent" that movie scares the shit out of me every time. Just make sure you don't confuse it for the similarly titled "Descent" or you'll get more Rosario Dawson. Yech.

Posted by: snarla at August 21, 2009 2:11 PM

But that is exactly the position I take exception to. You are viewing the film as an exercise in camp and kitsch and irony. In doing so you reduce it to a mere exercise in style, an exaggerated play on 70's exploitation films meant to poke fun the source material for how silly it is. Essential, you're putting Death Proof on the same shelf as Not Another Teen Movie or Mars Attacks.

I disagree. I think it is sincere. I think Tarantino took it seriously when he made it and meant it as a love-letter to a style of filmmaking, not an attempt to make those films the butt of a joke. It really does make a difference in how you experience the film. If you are looking for camp and satire you are going to be disappointed. You're setting it up to fail.

Death Proof isn't about playing up the 70's Grindhouse style to excess; it's about recreating it in homage. It's meant to recapture the feelings those movies stirred up and expose them to a new audience. It's about paying loving tribute to the genre films that shaped the filmmaker. Sure it's self indulgent, that's the point: it's an indulgence.

I don't want to get into an argument on taste. I imagine there are a lot of people who won't enjoy this movie for a lot of reasons and that is perfectly fine. I just want to argue the point you keep coming back to that this film was made to be watched ironically. (This is where I paraphrase David Foster Wallace:) Irony is inherently critical. It allows us to hold the subject up to ridicule without ever taking a stance ourselves. Our pervasive cultural irony creates the too-cool-for-school mentality of tearing others down without committing to believe in anything sincerely (scathing and bitchy, if you will).

Here's where I quote him: "All we seem to want to do is keep ridiculing the stuff. Postmodern irony and cynicism become an end in itself, a measure of hip sophistication and literary savvy. Few artists dare to try to talk about ways of working toward redeeming what’s wrong, because they’ll look sentimental and naive to all the weary ironists. Irony’s gone from liberating to enslaving." -DFW

This is your mistake with Death Proof. Whatever else you want to say about Tarantino the guy sincerely loves these movies and puts it out there unabashedly. I was reminded of this just the other day watching his take on the Top 20 movies since he started to direct in 1992. Sure he injects some obscure Korean and Japanese martial arts films, but he also defends Speed, the Matrix (while acknowledging the flaws of the sequels), and M.Night Shyamalan. I read that as I guy unashamed to put himself out there, without needing to be hip and ironic, and instead being upfront and honest about what he likes. It's refreshing.

I realize I've already written an article-length comment, but fuck it, nobody reads these 12 hours after the initial post anyway. We've probably scrolled off the main page by now. Here's an excerpt from an interview promoting Death Proof, just in case Drew checks back in before writing his Inglourious Basterds review.

Now, there's something kinda cheesy about those movies too. I'm not going for that cheesy factor myself, in terms of the making of the movie, but one of the things I always loved about exploitation movies is that, even in the midst of all this whatever, you all of a sudden start caring about the characters. You care what happens to them and you get caught up in it, even in this silly movie. And all of a sudden it's not silly any more because you actually give a fuck about what happens to these people, and I love that. Especially when you're watching it with modern audiences. When I do my film festival in Austin, I say, 'Look, there's some funny stuff in these movies but, please, laugh because it's funny, not to show that you're superior to it and show how cool you are – don't laugh at it, laugh with it. And if you resist the temptation to just ridicule this shit and take it at face value, you'll be surprised. All of a sudden you’ll get into the movie. And yeah, maybe it'll do all those things you might be chortling about if you were left to your own devices and I hadn't told you not to do it, but all of sudden you give a fuck. Now when did that happen? You have to remember, though, that when you watch these movies with modern-day audiences, it's a whole different experience. When I watched these films in the real grindhouse cinemas back in the day, there was always this laugh here and that laugh there. There was a lot of laughing going on! We were all into 'em. When something really funny happened, we laughed, like when someone said something really funny or somebody got blown away in a really cool way. But there wasn't a lot of chortling going on. We took this shit very seriously. This is what we wanted to see.

Posted by: Yossarian at August 21, 2009 3:19 PM

Yossarian,

I'd spend more time on this, but I'm beginning to get the same objections on my Facebook feed and I don't feel like answering the same objections twice. Please don't be offended, I've blown the majority of my morning on this already. ;)

A friend cited the QT point too, to which I would retort that an artist deliberately stating his or her intent is to be taken with a grain of salt.

The sincerity comment was ill-chosen in retrospect. I think Tarantino loves these films sincerely, but there is something insincere about trying to force it into camp rather than letting it naturally arise.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 21, 2009 3:30 PM

I just wanted to break up the intellectual discourse to brag that I have the full Grindhouse feature, faux trailers and all, saved on my DVR.

That's all. Back to your discussions.

(and I

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at August 21, 2009 5:48 PM

...where'd the rest of my comment go? I tried to say how much I love a stoned gp.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at August 21, 2009 5:52 PM

and i love a complimentary MBD.

wait, that sounds like you come on a continental breakfast.

wait, that sounds like you're orgasmic over juice and muffins.

wait, juice and muffins sounds like an euphemism.

what i mean to say is thanks.

Posted by: gp at August 21, 2009 7:12 PM