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Women Who Would Have Better and More Interesting Careers If They Were Men

By Celery | Posted Under PaEHba Day | Comments (73)



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Simply put: Hollywood is a man’s world. With very few exceptions, success for a woman in front of the camera requires a standard of aesthetic beauty to which men may, but need not conform. And even working actresses rarely get the chance to really flex their chops. The reasons for this are twofold. Firstly, female audiences are willing to accept less than perfect looks in their leading men. In fact, those imperfections or unusual features are often what we find sexy (e.g. Adrien Brody, Daniel Day-Lewis, Robert Pattison, Willem Dafoe). But mostly, it’s all about the roles. The great majority of fascinating and juicy characters on film are written for men, so it’s important that their casting is largely based on talent. This allows less handsome actors to become loved and respected for their abilities — a quality which most people find attractive. When women are delegated to mother/daughter/eye candy/girlfriend, casting directors might as well pick the prettiest woman who is marginally competent: the roles require so little acting that it really doesn’t make a difference. Even if some of these lovely women are gifted, they are rarely challenged on film. Finally, there are a multitude of character and supporting parts for less-than-hunky male actors that provide jobs and more importantly, exposure, allowing them to be truly memorable with their few moments on screen. To make matters worse, when there are lead roles for unusual-looking women, producers cast beautiful women and then go to great pains to take down their looks a notch (Nicole Kidman/The Hours, Charlize Theron/Monster). Of course, there are exceptions, often occurring in independent cinema, when an actress like Francis McDormand has a writer or director in her corner.

Compiling this list and whittling it down was depressing, both as a woman and a lover of film. All of the women on this list are attractive by non-Hollywood standards, so one can imagine that there are extremely gifted actresses out there whom we will never see because they simply won’t get a chance. Simply put, audiences are being robbed of the female equivalents of men like Bill Murray, Paul Giamatti, John Candy, Philip Seymour Hoffman, John C. Reilly, Steve Buscemi, John Goodman, John Turturro, Gene Wilder, Seth Rogan, Jack Black, Danny Devito, Robert Duvall, Geoffrey Rush, and Dustin Hoffman.

Many of the the women on this list get steady (mostly supporting or television) work and a few are wildly successful compared to the average actor. Also, to the loss of cinema, most have found a more welcoming home in the theater. The point of this list, however, is that given their talent , each woman’s career would be improved and the opportunities to practice her craft would be increased … if she were a man.

Honorable Mentions: Frances Conroy, Martha Plimpton, Sally Hawkins, Rosie Perez, Molly Shannon, Kathy Bates, Sandra Bernhard, Madeline Kahn, Catherine Keener, Rachel Griffiths, Debra Winger, Ally Sheedy, Jodie Foster, Lisa Gay Hamilton.


10. Melissa Leo

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9. Emily Watson

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8. The Women of SCTV: Catherine O’Hara and Andrea Martin

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7. Amanda Plummer

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6. Sophie Okonedo

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5. Brenda Blethyn

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4. Amy Sedaris

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3. Joan Cusack

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2. Laura Linney

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1. Marcia Gay Harden

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Comments

One of the problems is that it doesn't seem a lot of women write screenplays, writing outside your gender is much harder than writing within it. If you want the perfect balance, I think the easiest thing to do would be having a man and a woman co-write a screenplay. That way, you don't overload on estrogen or testosterone, and get a little contrast.

Posted by: Georgina at November 18, 2009 12:10 PM

Speaking of aesthetics, Marcia Gay Harden's one of those women where it PAINS me to know that someone probably does think she looks a little odd.

Plus I do still want to marry Catherine O'Hara and Martha Plimpton, and I'll always love "Amanda Plummer" for "The Fisher King".

Posted by: Jay at November 18, 2009 12:13 PM

I love Laura Linney. She has a really sexy voice. I'd love to sit there and listen to her and John Malkovich have a conversation all day long. That would be like pornography to me.

Posted by: becks at November 18, 2009 12:13 PM

Amanda Plummer, that is. Punctuation got away from me there.

Posted by: Jay at November 18, 2009 12:14 PM

Oh, how I love Joan Cusack. She redeems her asshole of a brother with her Paheebaness.

Great list, Celery.

Posted by: SofĂ­a at November 18, 2009 12:16 PM

I'm still trying to reconcile the words "imperfections or unusual features"
and "Daniel Day Lewis". HUH?
Which part of that man is anything less than handsome, hawt, and de-lish...
or oddly placed?

Posted by: Ms MoMo at November 18, 2009 12:19 PM

Emily Watson and Laura Linney always impressed me with their acting chops, as well as Marcia Gay Harden. It is a shame that there aren't more meaty roles for women. But the day is coming when we might be treated to a woman onscreen who's idolized more for her acting and charisma and professionalism than for her hair color or cup size.

Plus, if I have any hope of having a good cast for the movie that'll be based on my book someday, I gotta believe that it'll happen soon.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at November 18, 2009 12:19 PM

Catherine Keener... aaah, no, I don't think so.

As for Catherine O'Hara I disagree for a completely different reason. My take on her is that she CHOOSES her projects, she seems to gravitate to particular roles (see her appearances on all of Chistopher Guest's films)

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 18, 2009 12:20 PM

Does anyone know what's up with Pajiba's RSS feed? It hasn't been serving up feeds since last week sometime.

Posted by: baconator at November 18, 2009 12:20 PM

Meant to add: those other three guys (A Brody, W Defoe & 'R Patz')....
SO not my cuppa joe. Not handsome nor sexy, to me.

@becks:
I submit Dangerous Liasons - the banter between Mr Malkovich
and Glenn Close. Delightful.

Posted by: Ms MoMo at November 18, 2009 12:22 PM

First of all, it's Frances McDormand, right? I think "Francis" is usually the male spelling-which is sort of funny given the context of this article. What would Francis McDormand's career look like?

And I'm not sure I agree with all of your choices-it seems to me Laura Linney, for example, has had ample oppurtunity to flex her chops in challenging, interesting and leading roles. If she were a Reilly or a Rogen or a Black or a Devito, would I have to watch her in Step Brothers, That Other Mall Cop Movie, Year One or, no, I'm not gonna bag on Devito, OK, I will, TWINS. There I said it.

Of course I agree that Hollywood is dominated by males to a certain degree, PARTICULARLY in the directing field, but I think some of your statements are too broad, too inaccurate to fully capture the situation. But that's just my opinion, and what do I know? I'm a chick!

Posted by: coveredinbees at November 18, 2009 12:27 PM

Does anyone know what's up with Pajiba's RSS feed? It hasn't been serving up feeds since last week sometime.

I had the same issue and changed the feed to the one in the 'Overlord' drop down menu. It works although I don't get the full articles. I guess that's the point.

Posted by: Carrie at November 18, 2009 12:28 PM

Celery - great piece! I love your intro, so right on the money.

Posted by: tamatha at November 18, 2009 12:30 PM

Laura Linney has owned a piece of my soul ever since You Can Count On Me.

Posted by: Nicole at November 18, 2009 12:32 PM

Wah!?!? Wheres Julie Walters? Sure she got the fantastic role of Rita in Educating Rita but now that she's older she is roles where she is the mother of the child actors she has worked in in Harry Potter or as drunken man hungry Brummie let loose on a geek island a la Mama Mia.

Posted by: jim of the lower case at November 18, 2009 12:34 PM

One of the problems is that it doesn't seem a lot of women write screenplays, writing outside your gender is much harder than writing within it....

Posted by: Georgina at November 18, 2009 12:10 PM
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It's a bit more complicated than that.

There are more male screenwriters and playwrights, but male writers are also more prolific. I remember hearing something like the average male playwright averages 4 scripts a year while the average female playwright averages around 1. That would account for a vast gap before you even get into the fact that there are more men than women writing in the first place.

There was a (Princeton?) study where they had producers rate scripts by apparently male and female playwrights. Male producers and screeners either liked a script or they didn't, regardless of whether the writer was allegedly male or female (or the actual gender of the writer). Female producers and screeners were downright harsh on scripts that were allegedly written by women (regardless of who actually wrote them).

So, if there is a bias against female writers, it's coming from their fellow females, not men, and it has nothing to do with the content of the scripts, only the writer's gender. That's interesting and not what the woman conducting the research expected at all. It seems the sheer number of male-written scripts is what accounts for almost all of the difference, at least in writing for the stage. I have no reason to believe it's any different for the screen, though I'm hardly an expert.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at November 18, 2009 12:35 PM

So true. Awesome post.

Posted by: frothygirl at November 18, 2009 12:38 PM

Isn't Madeline Kahn dead?

Posted by: Arkansan at November 18, 2009 12:39 PM

Ms. MoMo, you could not be more RIGHT! I've seen that movie about 10 000 times and it never gets old.

So women actually do hate other women? I always thought that was just something that pretty girls with bad personalities said.

Posted by: becks at November 18, 2009 12:43 PM

So if there's a female counterpart to Bill Murray, why haven't I married him, erm... her yet?

I dunno, isn't Kathy Bates already the Giamatti equivalent?

Fantastic list.

Posted by: Chad at November 18, 2009 12:43 PM

So women actually do hate other women?

Often.

Posted by: Jay at November 18, 2009 12:46 PM

I think the biggest problem is not just the lack of "meaty" roles for women, but also a lack of roles similar to those glorious bitch alpha female roles from the fifties. Men have an abundance of those roles, of course a man can be crazy and alpha-man like, but heaven forbid a woman can be like that because now they aren't bound to being barefoot and pregnant anymore now they are out and about being just as good if not better than their male counterparts.
So yeah... if you understand that rant, congratulations.

Posted by: Simon at November 18, 2009 12:50 PM

To weigh in on this female screenwriter issue, I think the problem is that there's almost no room for them in Hollywood. Consider how many female directors you know. Now remove from the list any that don't work in Hollywood. How many are left? Three? How many of you could only think of Nora Ephron?

For as few opportunities as women have on screen in Hollywood, I'm very sorry to say they have even fewer off.

Posted by: vercordio at November 18, 2009 12:51 PM

So, the moral of the Hollywood story is: it's ok for a woman to be beautiful and then uglified, but you can't have gotten there naturally. Men, you can have it all.

Ah Celery, thank you!

Posted by: Cindy at November 18, 2009 12:53 PM

Always liked Melissa Leo in "Homicide"...unlike the interchangeable fembot cops in the Law and Order universe, her character had real personality and believability.

Damn I really miss that show. Can't think of a better ensemble cast in recent years.

Posted by: Jacktrade at November 18, 2009 12:58 PM

Thank Gawd Tarantino gave Amanda Plummer a memorable role!

Posted by: wolf at November 18, 2009 1:04 PM

Great work, Celery and much appreciated for recognizing some truly gifted women.

Posted by: Spender at November 18, 2009 1:07 PM

I like this list. This list is good.

Posted by: Supercomfypampertimefloatythrone at November 18, 2009 1:11 PM

Arkansan: I too thought Madeline Khan was dead when I saw her name on the list. And a quick check to the IMDB reveals, yes, she died in 1999.

Posted by: TylerDFC at November 18, 2009 1:12 PM

+1 for Melissa Leo. She's awesome.

I think part of the problem is that "women's movies" are stuck in the chick flick/rom-com ghetto. It's obviously not impossible to get a movie that doesn't fit those parameters produced, but I bet it's a lot easier to get a movie greenlit if it's like "Steel Magnolias" or "27 Dresses." Just as I bet it's easier to get a ridiculous "action" movie greenlit than something like "Memento." Not saying there is no sexism in Hollywood, I'm sure there's plenty of it, hell, they put it up on the screen and call it "sexual tension," but pretty much everybody in Hollywood would have more interesting careers if Americans didn't throw so much money at shitty movies.

And it's kind of like the Disney kid movie thing: females will more willingly watch a movie where the protagonist is a male than the other way around. And women are the ones propping up the rom-com genre. "Pretty Woman" is Julia Roberts' highest-grossing movie (in which she is the star/protagonist) in the U.S.

Posted by: Slash at November 18, 2009 1:17 PM

But the day is coming when we might be treated to a woman onscreen who's idolized more for her acting and charisma and professionalism than for her hair color or cup size.
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Meryl Streep?

And sorry but I have to bring this up: Julia Roberts does nothing for me. I do not find her attractive or even pretty anymore and I find her overbearing on the screen. But there are a whole lot of people who think I'm wrong and pay to see her movies, and I can only think of a few possible reasons for that:

1) She has acting chops that I'm blind to.

2) People are remembering what she looked like 15 years ago in "Pretty Woman" and still see that JR when they look at her, instead of the oatburner I see.

3) She has the "charisma" you mention, possibly merely in her ownership of dazzling teeth and a mile-wide mouth.

Also, you don't ever hear much about her being a problem on or off the set, do you? = professionalism.

So to give her her due (and what better day to do this than Peheeba Day, I will NOT praise Whinny ever on the other 364 days), maybe she belongs in that pantheon too.

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 18, 2009 1:17 PM

Great article, Celery. And good point about going to great pains to uglify the pretty girls for the role.
Do you think part of the draw for that is so the audience will go "Ewww, god, look at how bad (blank) looks! Thank GOD that's not real!"

Because that's pretty sad.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at November 18, 2009 1:18 PM

testing ... testing ...

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 18, 2009 1:19 PM

Also, yes, I agree, Madeline Kahn would have a more interesting movie career if she were not deceased.

I miss her.

Posted by: Slash at November 18, 2009 1:19 PM

Excellent list...the lack of Joan Cusack has always saddened me. Say what you will, but the woman has timing. And Amanda Plummer's chronic underexposure is pretty galling as well.

Posted by: Smokin at November 18, 2009 1:20 PM

Mr. Supercomfypampertimefloatythrone and I have also discussed
how many female actors would have had better careers and
opportunities in the heyday of the studio system when they made
"women's pictures" and such.

It even extends to cartoons, you know. On the show we make our
son watch because we like it so much (Penguins of Madagascar,
can I get an amen?), there are NINE male
characters and ONE female character. Mr. Supercomfypampertime-
floatythrone didn't even notice until I pointed it out.

Posted by: Supercomfypampertimefloatythrone at November 18, 2009 1:20 PM

So women actually do hate other women?

Often.
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Oh yeah, it happens so much it's sad. It stems from a misguided notion that some women have that all other women, especially attractive ones, are out to "steal their man." In reality, the woman on the receiving end of the hate couldn't give half of a flying fuck about the douchebag that said bitch is pining after. Not that I speak from experience or that it is the story of my early teenage years or anything.

Nice list, Celery. Catherine O'Hara seriously needs more screen time. I love her.

Posted by: stardust at November 18, 2009 1:22 PM

my sharona,

Someone told me that at least in the case of "Monster" it was a project Theron wanted done and a role she wanted to play. Because I've wondered the same thing about actresses getting uglified for roles. Why not just give the job to an actress who's already ... um, not that attractive? Couldn't those people use a nice paycheck better than, I dunno, Cameron Diaz in "Being John Malkovich"?

Ah, but CD's name on a poster sells tickets. Jane Slobotnik doesn't.

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 18, 2009 1:23 PM

What the hell is an oatburner?

Posted by: SupercomfyohhellI'mgoingbacktoHenry at November 18, 2009 1:23 PM

Excellent, excellent list, Celery. Hollywood is up it's ass when it comes to beauty and talent.

Posted by: admin at November 18, 2009 1:24 PM

Sophie Okonedo is the female Chiwetel Ejiofor (who, thank god, seems to get a little more US screen presence every year).

(Unless Chiwetel Ejiofor is busy being the female Chiwetel Ejiofor, re: Kinky Boots)

So seeing them together in Dirty Pretty Things is like some sort of cosmic cinematic collision of all that is worth watching.

Posted by: twig at November 18, 2009 1:24 PM

Do you think part of the draw for that is so the audience will go "Ewww, god, look at how bad (blank) looks! Thank GOD that's not real!"

Yes, I definitely think so. It's like watching The Soup or Jerry Springer - people want to see something ugly, have it end, and go back to a reality that is a little more beautiful for having seen the ugliness.

Posted by: stardust at November 18, 2009 1:26 PM

Here's a related question I've pondered: is it possible to make a really good all-female-cast movie?

There are plenty of all-male movies that are excellent (Glengarry Glen Ross springs to mind, and yeah, I know there's one women in it, but you know what I mean), but few all-female ones that are any good. Why is that?

Is this because of the structure of Hollywood, gender roles, etc. as per above comments, or is there something else?

Posted by: Jacktrade at November 18, 2009 1:32 PM

Also women have babies...kind of a setback to any career

Posted by: malon at November 18, 2009 1:37 PM

Jacktrade,

I thought "The Upside of Anger" was a pretty good movie mainly about women and women's lives that didn't devolve into any sort of crap. The characters were interesting, well-rounded and pretty real. Your opinion may vary.

Mostly it's because that guy Kevin Smith talks about in his "Superman" pitch doesn't think you can sell a movie about women that isn't about shoes, clothes, cute fuzzy moments or fucking.

... and Angela Basset, for the list. Angela Basset should have been the female Bourne.

Posted by: twig at November 18, 2009 1:39 PM

To weigh in on this female screenwriter issue, I think the problem is that there's almost no room for them in Hollywood. Consider how many female directors you know. Now remove from the list any that don't work in Hollywood. How many are left? Three? How many of you could only think of Nora Ephron?

For as few opportunities as women have on screen in Hollywood, I'm very sorry to say they have even fewer off.

Posted by: vercordio at November 18, 2009 12:51 PM
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Ephron, Bigelow, and women who own their own production companies, like Barrymore.... so that's 3. Not a huge list. Witherspoon has her own company, yes? But she produces rather than directs so far?

In any case.... Vote with your dollar, wot?

The system is ruled entirely by what makes money. If well written screenplays by female writers made "Transformers" money, we'd be ass-deep in them. The pervy iconoclasts who hang out here would shift gears and bemoan how Amanda Plummer was ruling the screen and why can't we get some old fashioned tits and ass up in here already? What the fuck happened to Ryan Reynold's chiseled abs? Since all the male romantic leads are being written all realistic like, he put on 15 lbs. We'd be passing the hat to collect money for Michael Bay to make a comeback.

I'm not sure I want to see that world, honestly. Rather than throw all our money at good screenplays, let's work out a system whereby for every ticket to Bay-tastic-T&A-explosionfests, we also have to buy a ticket to....

OK... I can't actually think of anything written by a woman other than Nora Ephron.... how sad is that? My joke was DOA due to gender imbalance. There does seem to be a problem here.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at November 18, 2009 1:41 PM

How did we get to this point? In the forties and fifties, women appeared in greater numbers in movies. Often the majority of the cast was of the female type. They had snappy and witty things to say and did actual stuff. They didn't just play straight (wo)man or eye candy for some guy saving the world from massive splodiness. And men and women went to see these movies, they weren't just "chick flicks". Honestly, is this a reflection of a larger and more pervasive misogyny and disparagement of "feminism" in society? Is it a result of more women in the non-Hollywood workplace "displacing" male workers and making men in general realize, at least subconsciously that women are, at least, intellectually equal? Is it Hollywood playing to a generalized male ambivalence or fear of active, intelligent, women who believe they actually have the right to fully functioning members of society? I really don't know, but I'd love to see more well-written women in the movies.

Posted by: Jiffyzen at November 18, 2009 1:43 PM

Laura Linney has owned a piece of my soul ever since You Can Count On Me.

ACK. Nicole: ME TOO.

ALSO NOTE: BOO CAPS DAY.

Posted by: boo at November 18, 2009 1:44 PM

I agree with Georgina, but I wonder if it's more that a lot of women's screenplays aren't being produced, either due to more men having more connections, or just good old fashioned sexism.

I mean hell, I know more female writers than male.

Posted by: Lucas at November 18, 2009 1:48 PM

Also worth adding:

Hollywood has no use for comediennes. None whatsoever.

Pretty actress cute funny talk snarky learn love = Good

Female Arnett Stiller Farrell Rogan Black Carrey = Bad

Cheri Oteri and honourable mention Molly Shannon deserve the
same careers as the frat pack and yet they are denied.

Posted by: Supercomfy at November 18, 2009 1:49 PM

Celery, that list is fantastic! I am behind each and every choice. (LOVE seeing the SCTV women - they are so good at what they do!)

And the world of actresses is a world of pain. Even the so-called lovely women are tweaking their damn faces into oblivion to stay marketable with their 'product' because, let's be honest - there's not much work past a certain age. If there is, you get to nom on someone's chin, be a psycho, etc.

There are a rare few who get the gigs, but even Betty White wins the 'prettiest of the grandmas' award, doesn't she?

And here's to our very own female screenwriters getting a piece of the pie! Go Celery!

Posted by: replica at November 18, 2009 1:49 PM

The fact that Catherine O'Hara, Jennifer Coolidge, and Parker Posey- some of the most hilarious women in all of film- have never really been able to find a niche outside of Christopher Guest films. Sure they all get the odd character role in a big comedy, but none of them have ever really been given the chance to have a well-developed character in a very long time.

I would've added Jane Lynch to this list as well, but recently she's been absolutely everywhere. At least we have that.

P.S. After re-viewing Dr. Strangelove last night, I'm throwing this out as an idea for a new SRL. Worst Presidents in Television and Film- with President Merkin Muffley taking a place of honor, of course

Posted by: FreestyleDoctoress at November 18, 2009 2:05 PM

Yes, please show me the female equivalent of Edward James Olmos. She would be laughed out of town.

Posted by: abbynormal at November 18, 2009 2:11 PM

mimimimimimimimimimi

Posted by: zito at November 18, 2009 2:13 PM

SupercomfyohhellI'mgoingbacktoHenry

I believe that oatburner=horse but I am not sure.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at November 18, 2009 2:41 PM

I agree with Georgina, but I wonder if it's more that a lot of women's screenplays aren't being produced, either due to more men having more connections, or just good old fashioned sexism.

I mean hell, I know more female writers than male.

Posted by: Lucas at November 18, 2009 1:48 PM
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And I know more female skydivers and certified dive masters than male. But it turns out that my experience isn't particularly generalizable. If we determined demographics based on who we know, I would live in a world where more than 50% of the people are scientists and less than 10% were in a corporate environment of any kind.

If we tried to generalize from this site to the rest of humanity, I don't even want to think about what the demographics would look like. The media would certainly take a less conservative view on talking about sex, I can tell you.

Have a Salon article on the research I mentioned above: http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2009/06/25/female_playwright/index.html

It misses most of the details, but the media always does that with science, psychology, and sociology. If it doesn't fit in a 3 second soundbite, they have to grit their teeth and power through, even at Salon.

FACT: Most producers are male. DATA: Males don't seem to discriminate against female writers.

FACT: There are a LOT more male writers and a LOT more male-written scripts.

It's easy to scream bias, and it's usually there. This time it's not where you expect it to be, even though the scientist in question looked really, really hard for it. The actual problem is there aren't enough women writing scripts. Period.

"The Man" isn't up to anything for once. I was surprised, too.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at November 18, 2009 2:52 PM

It's easy to scream bias, and it's usually there. This time it's not where you expect it to be, even though the scientist in question looked really, really hard for it. The actual problem is there aren't enough women writing scripts. Period.

Could it be that the reason there are so few women writing scripts is the pervasive notion that their work won't be regarded by a supposedly sexist system, causing them to not even bother trying? Thereby creating a vicious cycle or self-defeat that just makes things worse?

Posted by: Vermillion at November 18, 2009 3:17 PM

Could be. I'm not saying there was never bias among male producers, only that there doesn't appear to be any now. But do people really choose not to be writers in this day and age because they think sexist pigs will keep them from success? In my experience, for realz writers need to write, and commercial success is a happy accident. But maybe I'm just a purist. There seems to be plenty of market for awful "written-by-committee" scripts.

In fact, the article points out that female-written plays tend to sell more tickets, so if anything, there's a financial incentive to give female writers a shot in theater, at least. I'd be willing to bet that last doesn't extend to film.

And there is that weird fact that male writers are 4x as prolific. I hate to make an obvious sex role joke, but maybe male writers need to nurture their scripts a little more and female writers a little less.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at November 18, 2009 3:31 PM

ZombieScientist, I'm just guessing. I realize that I didn't do a research study, but I'm offering my observations.

Posted by: Lucas at November 18, 2009 3:46 PM

for some reason I think that emily watson is so self absorbed that if she was a man she would implode.

Posted by: rio at November 18, 2009 4:06 PM

No love for Holly Hunter?

As for your list of Honorable mentions, I've always had the feeling Sandra Berhard doesn't get more roles has nothing to do with her looks and everything to do with her being an asshole. She still applies to this list, being an asshole would barely put a dent an actors career, but to me the others on the list are being screwed over more.

Posted by: lwoodpdowd at November 18, 2009 4:41 PM

@SupercomfyohhellI'mgoingbacktoHenry at November 18, 2009 1:23 PM

Unless I am mistaken both the 'oatburner' and 'whinny' references are intended to convey a certain gentleman's distaste of Julia Roberts' appearance, and liken it to that of a horse. A risky gambit indeed on this most feminine of all days. Since we ladies just LOVE seeing other women picked on for their appearance, especially when they are considered by many to be quite lovely.

Personally, I think Big Daddy is just looking for a spanking. I will deal with him later.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 18, 2009 5:20 PM

Patricia Clarkson!

Posted by: Daniel Hall at November 18, 2009 5:27 PM

thanks for your comments.

i know that madeline kahn is dead. i meant that her career would have been better had she been a man.

holly hunter is a good one, but i left off women like her, rachel griffiths, edie falco, etc... because they've had so much success on television. but i totally agree with you that holly hunter should have made/be making amazing movies.

regarding catheine o'hara, i'm referring to earlier in her career. she should have had john candy size roles straight out of SCTV, and andrea martin could have had martin short-like success.

on the issue of female screenwriters.... ugh.... some other time. this one hits very close to home and (if anyone cares) one day, when i'm not exhausted, i shall share my thoughts.

Posted by: celery at November 18, 2009 5:31 PM

sorry for the few typos above. like i wrote: EXHAUSTED.

Posted by: celery at November 18, 2009 5:32 PM

Lucas, sorry if I came off combative. I seem to have bumped into this kind of thing a lot lately. People citing about some form of bias when the facts are clear and there is no bias.

This is a case where the facts aren't clear, or at least weren't until lately. So I was probably a little harsh to start jumping up and down with a citation in my hand.

They're also just interesting facts. What do they mean? Are women avoiding writing scripts because of a perceived bias? Are women simply not interested in writing scripts as much as they are in writing other things? There's no shortage of female writers in general, but female screenwriters and playwrights.... less common. And why are they writing so few relative to their male counterparts? Does my bad joke stand? Are they really spending more time on one piece of writing? Or are they writing all different kinds of things while the males tend to stick to one mode?

This is one of those cases where facts don't just end discussion, they open a new one. Or several new ones. I find that more interesting than having the old conversation again, especially when the old conversation is, well.... old and busted, it seems.

It's also just sort of fascinating to me that it's NOT just sexism. There's sexism and racism under every rock and tree stump in our society, but apparently not here. Why? I can't assume it's because the cats producing plays are actually more evolved than every other male with power in society. Or does the Almighty Dollar just happen to trump sexism for once?

How nerdy is this post? Honestly.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at November 18, 2009 5:53 PM

Also, yes, I agree, Madeline Kahn would have a more interesting movie career if she were not deceased.

I laughed at this. And then felt bad about it. And I miss her too.

Posted by: Gabs at November 18, 2009 9:08 PM

Lwa'e'

Go back and read that again. I was paying Seabiscuit a compliment, backhanded though it certainly was.

And now it's later, and I'm getting tired of bending over here ...

Posted by: , (TCFKAB), at November 19, 2009 12:09 AM

I'm not buying it Big Daddy. You are crusin' for a bruisin' with that talk.

You will STAY bent over until I TELL you you can move.
Bitch.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 19, 2009 12:52 AM

Would Keanu Reeves get a job if he wasn't good looking?

Posted by: Doc P at November 19, 2009 7:58 AM

very late to the game on this one. Might I suggest:
Samantha Morton
Kelly MacDonald (she would make a better Scottish lead than both Ewan MacGregor and James MacAvoy)

Surely Sam proved her chops in In America.

Posted by: gunnertec at November 19, 2009 11:29 AM

My vote goes to Patricia Clarkson. She's so great ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: Mimi at November 19, 2009 11:23 PM

i realize that nobody is going to see this, but i have to add VIOLA DAVIS. i just saw "doubt" and... wow! that woman is absolutely amazing. i regret that she's not in the top ten, above.

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