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A Seriously Painful List / Christian H.

Music | May 7, 2009 | Comments (117)


There always have been, and always will be, shitty musicians.

Maybe they’re shitty because their songs are so cliché. Maybe they’re shitty because of musical ability. Maybe they’re shitty because of their ridiculous rockstar antics or general douche-itude. However a shitty musician is defined, they exist, and there’s no way to stop them (other than a collective uprising, but god knows THAT isn’t going to happen anytime soon). And while one might despair at this never-ending barrage of crap, in a way, it’s comforting.

While all the Nickelbacks and Simple Plans and Insane Clown Posses in the world will continue to make money, their awful, awful work can unite us in a common bond of furious disgust. We can put up with them, because as they get worse, other bands continue to get better.

But, there are some times when a band’s shittiness can break your heart. There are times when no matter how hard you try, you cannot ignore the pain you feel when a certain group puts out a terrible new record or makes an idiotic video. And you’ll try to put up a good front and forget, but it affects you, deep down in your soul, and nothing can fix it.

The only way for the pain to end is for the music to stop.

The following is a list of bands who may not have always been shitty. Some, quite the opposite. But, for whatever reason, they are or have become shitty in such a way that tortures the listener into a quivering mess. Often, critics don’t acknowledge their shittiness until much later, when it’s become clear that something has changed, when they look at their review of this awful piece of work and hold their hands over their eyes screaming “What have I done?!” over and over again.

Here they are:

u2group.jpgU2
No. The new U2 album is NOT a five-star release. Maybe it is the best album they’ve made since the ’80s, but that says NOTHING! That’s like saying “It’s the best M. Night Shyamalan film since Signs!” Sure, The Joshua Tree had a few decent songs. But let’s be honest; does anyone want U2 to make another album that sounds EXACTLY THE SAME as their last ten?! Another god-awful bore like How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, which featured one of the most sickeningly ridiculous singles in decades (“Vertigo”)? For all of the humanitarian aid that Bono and Co. champion, there are millions of people being tortured daily, beaten and hopeless, because U2 continues to make garbage, garbage that regularly gets hailed as masterpiece works by critics who still think that this is somehow the same band that they listened to during their first sexual experience in 1984.

pixies2_wideweb__470x346,0.jpgThe Pixies
As news of another reunion breaks, I’m forced to ask: Why? While the Pixies had an obvious influence on the alt-rock diversions of the early- to mid-90’s, their influence on young musicians has waned over time. And if they are wont to keep themselves relevant to the American youth, a reunion tour is not the way to do it. Pixies, your time has passed as a band. There is no way, absolutely no way, that making new music will be anywhere near as satisfying or worthwhile as it was back in your heyday. So what will you be doing? Playing the same old songs to the same old crowds, bloated and wrinkled parodies of your former selves squeezing money from the pockets of your fans. You’ve reunited, and things were alright. Now stop. Don’t be The Grateful Dead. Get out now, while you’ve still got solo projects to sell.


500x333_12907611Sonic-Youth.jpgSonic Youth
Sonic Youth’s Rather Ripped was hailed as a return to form by many critics. But what form are we referring to? Are we referring to the screechy, repetitious, whine-rock that (let’s face it) did less for indie rock than it did for the douchebag hipster movement that followed it? Are we referring to the unlistenable noise, the nonsense lyrics that mean nothing? Are we referring to the art-school bullshit? Even by those standards, Sonic Youth has grown stale and continues to get staler. Their act has been redone, and done better, by countless younger bands, and their groove is no longer innovative. If you quit creating or branching out, you quit being relevant, and, sadly, Sonic Youth’s relevance is stuck decades ago, where it belongs.


weezer12.jpgWeezer
Of all of these, this one makes me the most depressed. I can forgive bands that get older and fail to spark like they used to, and I can forgive bands that quit trying. But Weezer haven’t just gotten shittier, they’ve gotten more egotistical. And the cockier the swagger, the cheesier the songs. It’s a vicious cycle that has overtaken a band beloved by many and still influential today. Remember the Blue Album? Pinkerton? Hell, I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for Maladroit, which, while formulaic, features probably the best guitar work of the band’s career. But from the first moment I heard “Beverly Hills”, I knew something was wrong. Before I knew it, I, like every other Weezer fan, was knee-deep in shit. Make Believe was supposed to be their finale, their goodbye record, and after listening to it, I was struck both by sorrow and by relief, because at least they could do no more harm to their discography than that dreck. But then they had to ruin it. The Red Album is one of the most vile, insidious, soul-crushing albums I have ever heard, a blight on the ear and the Weezer name. Each song more despicable than the last, and Rivers Cuomo called it their BEST RECORD.

Please, Weezer, for the love of all that is good, and for all of the fans that hate to see you bleed so virulently in the dirt, don’t ever make another album. You’ve ruined yourselves. Rivers, your lyrics have become idiotic. How can an English major from Harvard write poetry so shitty a middle school student could do it better? The songs have become over-produced trash. Honestly, my friends and I thought you were joking when this last album came out. We thought, “There’s no way they’re serious. This is a prank. An Andy Kaufman-esque prank that went too far.” But when we woke up, the nightmare was in our CD players, and we could not make the horrible memory go away.

bob-dylan23.jpgBob Dylan

This one is gonna hurt. Bob, you are, without question, the greatest songwriter in American history. Even if you have a reputation for being a bit of a dick, you’ve still managed to transform the musical landscape for all time. Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks, all undisputed classics.

All that said, please stop making albums.

Sorry to say, but you’ve basically been making the same album for the last two decades, and the time has come to either try something brand new that no one expected, or to stop altogether. The formula you’ve followed is neither the folk of your early days nor the classic rock/blues of you best days. It’s simply an old-time blues paint-by-numbers sound. Your lyrics have gotten bland and altogether unimaginative. While it’s great that you’re still a political lightning rod, your worldview gets lost in your songwriting. You are the voice of your generation, but unfortunately, your generation has more than passed its prime. I would love to hear you do something new, something left field. Make a drum and bass garage rock album. Make a techno album. Make an auto-tuned R&B album about heartbreak. Okay, maybe not that last one (or the second one). But you know as well as I do, Bob, that it’s not going to happen. You’ll just keep making the same thing again and again and critics will keep kissing your ass, but you will never make a truly classic album ever again.

Until these artists learn of their folly, the musical realm will always bear the painful weight of diminished returns. Maybe someday we can live in a world where the good remain good and the shitty remain shitty. But as long as good bands slip into melodrama or banality, or as shitty bands make an indelible mark on the landscape and then flog a dead horse until their whips hit the sand, there will never be peace.

We must try to overcome.


Christian Hagen is a music journalist from Minneapolis who is also in a band), who likes to waste his time writing about nothing, and who has yet to launch his own website (though one is on its way), so for now he can only link to his MySpace profile.


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Comments

Bob Dylan looks like Charlie Chaplin doing Hitler.

Posted by: BWeaves at May 7, 2009 12:06 PM

I vote the Rolling Stones...

Posted by: missh at May 7, 2009 12:07 PM

I'm not going to say a word, but I have a feeling you're in for a massive, massive outpouring of fan anger. But of course, that's what you're going for, init?

Posted by: Snath at May 7, 2009 12:07 PM

I'm going to stand up and clap. You can't see me, but that is what I'm doing.

Nice article, Christian. Only you forgot to add NIN.

Posted by: Skitz at May 7, 2009 12:08 PM

lame

Posted by: mothy at May 7, 2009 12:09 PM

You know who is still awesome, against all odds?

The Offspring.

Seriously. "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" and "Kristy, Are You Doing OK?" are both great social commentary with good lyrics and equal to (or better than) anything off Americana. I saw them last summer at the Virgin Mobile Festival and yeah, they're getting a little paunchy and the banter about how "everyone's gonna get laid tonight! Baltimore is HOT!" seemed a little forced, but they still rock.

And really, after "Pretty Fly For A White Guy", who would've called that?

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 7, 2009 12:10 PM

Genny, my sole reason for currently loving the Offspring is because I get to routinely hear Boston DJ's unironically call it "You're Gonna Go Fah, Kid."

I wish I didn't agree with most of this list, I really do.

Posted by: TK at May 7, 2009 12:13 PM

I cannot get down with this shit.

Posted by: Cindy at May 7, 2009 12:13 PM

OH SNAP!

But you forgot AC/DC, The Stones, Tupac, B.I.G. The Beatles, and every other deceased artist.

Posted by: admin at May 7, 2009 12:14 PM

Why is Weezer the saddest? I'd wager they're the least interesting and talented band on the list. Flame away.

Posted by: samantha t at May 7, 2009 12:14 PM

Skitz, "Year Zero" and "With Teeth" did nothing for ya? Even if they'll never repeat the magic of "The Fragile," a NIN tour is still a transcendent sonic experience (the mane is a sound-mixing genius). I am currently pooling every cent I can get my grubby hands on to get to the upcoming tour with Jane's Addiction.

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 12:15 PM

I saw The Offspring play a show with Auf der Maur a few years back, and to be honest I enjoyed Auf der Maur's performance more. Plus, Melissa Auf der Maur is a hot redhead, and you rarely can go wrong with that.

Posted by: Snath at May 7, 2009 12:15 PM

Also, Genny, I once saw Offspring at the 1999 HFStival with, like, 40 other bands at what was then PSINet Stadium - HOLY HELL, are they amazing live. Not one other single act did what they did - which was to get 75,000 people in various states of heatstroke, drunkenness, and other forms of intoxication waving their arms simultaneously during their "Intermission" breakdown. It was, seriously... well, there are just no words. I became a fan that day - how could I not?

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 12:18 PM

I love Weezer. That said, The Red Album is the only one that I have not purchased. And I never will. If TRA is indicative of what future releases will sound like, then YES. Stop.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at May 7, 2009 12:18 PM

If it has to be explained to you why weezer is the saddest then you don't deserve to know. i'm going to go listen to pinkerton now...

Posted by: yeahhhhhh at May 7, 2009 12:18 PM

My nomination:

Guns and Roses - Dear Axl, When only one original member is left, it's a new band. Not the same one. Quit now. P.S. You are a giant tool.

I'd also like Creed to not come back and Nickelback to quit, but it is because they always sucked, not because they were good at one time.

Posted by: Melody at May 7, 2009 12:21 PM

A flawless list. I'd chuck the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Green Day in for good measure.

Posted by: Caspar at May 7, 2009 12:21 PM

Oh, definitely NIN. "With Teeth" had it's moments, but the newer one, "Zero something who cares"? Just awful.

And the Offspring never were any good.

Dance, fucker, dance. You never had a chance.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at May 7, 2009 12:21 PM

Careful, Melody. Nickelback is a touchy subject with Christian.

Posted by: TK at May 7, 2009 12:23 PM

Your comments about the Weezer album are almost exactly the same ones I had when it came out. I remember listening to a couple of the songs in the car with my boyfriend and when they were over I turned to him and asked "Is he making fun of us?". We just couldn't believe that anyone would purposely make an album that bad unintentionally. What's worse though, is that my roomate swears the The Red Album is genius, and I just don't understand the pure artistry that is Rivers Cuomo. I think my roomate may have some severe reality perception issues.

Posted by: CinnabarriGirl at May 7, 2009 12:23 PM

The Offspring do still rock. I love the new stuff and the old. Although the best drive time song is still "Bad Habit". I don't recommend it for work listening unless you have headphones or for driving if you are prone to road rage.

Posted by: Melody at May 7, 2009 12:23 PM

Yeah, pretty weak. Besides, you didn't mention The Cure. They just aren't recording anything interesting now, and that does pinch a bit to acknowledge.

Posted by: Jay at May 7, 2009 12:24 PM

While part of me wants to guiltily agree with you, I feel like I've invested so much emotion in U2 and Dylan over the years that I can't let go. I have this uneasy feeling that if the musical public turn their back on U2 and Dylan and fully embraced the current world of emo and tween and auto tune and soulless crap, the Earth will implode. Not angry at you, just worried for the future of mankind.

Posted by: scorzi at May 7, 2009 12:24 PM

Bruce Springsteen

You forgot Bruce Springsteen... he suuuuucks big, fat liberal cock and hasn't had one song anyone can remember since I was 2 years old (AKA. "Born to run" from 1984).

Give it up Bruce. You're a Dinosaur. Palaeontologists go to your shows looking for fossils. Your hair is no longer jet black. And your 'soul patch' is the definition of douche. Go back to Jerrrrrsey, stop selling your records "exclusively at Wal-Mart", count your millions which i'm sure are all stashed in off-shore tax shelters, and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

p.s. your live shows suck too... total mumbler...

Posted by: MarcusArilius at May 7, 2009 12:25 PM

Oh, now, Caspar, really? As much as it pains me, I'll give you the Chili Peppers, but American Idiot is seriously in my top ten greatest rock albums of all time - it's like a mini rock-opera (and I am thoroughly looking forward to seeing the musical adaptation at Berkeley Rep). To me, it's their Magnum Opus. It gives me chills.

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 12:26 PM

I just pretend the shit Weezer is putting out now is by a different band that happens to be called Weezer. Then I go listen to the blue album again.

Posted by: lizzieborden at May 7, 2009 12:26 PM

Agreed on the Dylan. I think I bought Modern Times a couple years ago, expecting kittens and sunshine to burst out of the speakers Kool-Aid Man style, and instead I get ten incredibly boring, self-congratulatory tracks. So fuck it dude, you need to stop right fucking now.

And you too, Weezer and U2! You peaked too early!

And blasphemy Skitz! Did you not hear The Slip? It was incredible! And free!

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at May 7, 2009 12:30 PM

I still love the Chili Peppers and I refuse to apologize for that. Stadium Arcadium is somewhat hit or miss, but I love the hits more than I hate the misses so there it is. I saw them live back in 2006 and it was a high point in my life, music wise.

And I understand that Weezer was a good band, but when your high school boyfriend does nothing but lecture you about how unsophisticated you are, musically, because you don't properly appreciate the genius of Weezer's Pinkerton and Led Zeppelin, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I had nothing against those bands before, but ever since I really can't muster up support. I would not be sad if Weezer never made another album or if I never heard another song by "The Zepp" in my life.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 7, 2009 12:38 PM

I have never been a fan of Sonic Youth, but that said, Teenage Riot and Dirty Boots are good songs.

Metallica. Seriously. Or at least get a new drummer who has the restraint and presence of mind to play a straight rhythm figure for once, you are not Keith Moon, Lars,.

Posted by: Tim at May 7, 2009 12:40 PM

Really Caspar, you'd add Green Day? I haven't heard their new one yet (I've read some good reviews so far), but I thought American Idiot was pretty genius.

I completely agree with Christan about the Red Album. My brother and I found it just completely irritating.

Posted by: Julie at May 7, 2009 12:41 PM

Man, there is no smug like music reviewer smug. I never really liked Dylan or Sonic Youth, so their inclusion on this list doesn't bother me at all. As for the others, eh...

If I like a song upon hearing it, I like it. I almost never go by reviews of music because it's impossible to tell by a review that I'm gonna like or dislike a song. I have to listen to it. Sometimes I read recommendations of music that people go on and on about as if it's the best thing ever to happen to the musical note, look it up and listen to it on iTunes and wonder what the fuck the recommenders could be possibly be thinking.

You either like a song or you don't. Either you care deeply that it's derivative/irrelevant or you don't.

I do agree that established, mega successful artists get a huge pass from the media RE their latest work. Words like "masterpiece" certainly get thrown around carelessly. But again, I don't like any particular song because someone else gave it a rave. I listen to it, decide whether it's worth paying $1 for and don't really give a fuck whether anyone else agrees or not.

Posted by: Slash at May 7, 2009 12:44 PM

"Skitz, "Year Zero" and "With Teeth" did nothing for ya?"

I really dug those two albums. It's the other shit that just drones on.

"Did you not hear The Slip? It was incredible!

...like that.

I've got everything they've (i.e. Reznor) has released, but I've begun to not care anymore. I am a sad panda.

Posted by: Skitz at May 7, 2009 12:46 PM

The moment I saw that Kevin Federline was in a Weezer video, I lost the very last traces of respect I may have had for them. It's tragic. Some of my fondest drunken memories are of twirling to Say It Ain't So, The Sweater Song or My Name is Jonas.

The Offspring kick some serious butt. I was all over their last album like crazy when it came out.

I'm glad that Smashing Pumpkins are "officially" done. I loved them, and then I didn't. I stopped paying attention in recent years because it hurt so badly that they'd strayed so far.

Posted by: kalafraja at May 7, 2009 12:51 PM

There is almost no band still working today that I hate more than The (motherfucking) Offspring.

On admin's note: yes, Paul McCartney should probably stop now, too. Chaos & Creation... was passable at best, and Memory Almost Full was just garbage.

That is all. Carry on.

Posted by: Sean at May 7, 2009 1:00 PM

Dang it, the first ones that came to my mind were all mentioned already.

Rolling Stones: Love you but hate anything new you put out! It sounds like cheap and lazy songwriting, all to put out some quantity, not quality.

AC/DC: See Rolling Stones above. Plus their new stuff all sounds the same.

Offspring: Likeable band, but the songs aren't. Songs all sound alike.

U2: These guys have been up and down, but I think we may be seeing the end here.

Bon Jovi (didn't see this mentioned yet): It breaks my heart to say this, b/c I heart the Jovi, but wow...I hate everything on your last album. The magic is gone.

Brett Michaels: Your solo stuff is TERRIBLE. Do nostalgia tours with Poison.

Duff McKagan: You are required to have at least one original GNR member in your band in order to not suck.

Springsteen: Dude...you're not really relevant anymore. Now you're just preaching.

Madonna: You are awful now. Stop doing duets with Justin Timberlake. You were my idol when I was a kid but it's time to hang it up. Nobody likes you.

And the biggest offendor of them all:

OZZIE. Seriously Ozzie...stop it. Just stop it.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at May 7, 2009 1:01 PM

Got to agree with Caspar on Green Day. Sorry, Tammy. Dookie was mainstreaming punk genius. After that, it was all downhill. American Idiot proved that they were just that, idiots. Although some of the beats were still catchy, the politico pop punk thing they were going for left a bad taste. To me, it's wholly unlistenable. Now, I haven't heard the whole CD but, judging by "Know your enemy", 21st Century Breakdown offers nothing more than the same drivel. That song actually reminds me a lot of Depeche Mode's new song, "Wrong", and that's not a good thing. I think it's the repetition of the same lyric deal, to a lesser degree.

Speaking of Depeche Mode - there's another one. Sounds of the Universe is so bad it should be illegal. They really need to stop. For serious.

Posted by: Calitri at May 7, 2009 1:02 PM

I would also add Depeche Mode to this list. Dave Gahan just makes me sad now. I saw them in concert several years ago and just watching that old guy shake his ass on stage...well, it was cringe worthy.

Posted by: quelish at May 7, 2009 1:08 PM

Eh, I kinda liked Weezer's Red album. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Find it listenable.

Posted by: Lindsay at May 7, 2009 1:12 PM

Sounds of the Universe is so bad it should be illegal.

Completely disagree. It took a few times of me listening through the whole CD, but I'm really enjoying it. And by Godtopus, they changed things up while they were at it.

Posted by: Cindy at May 7, 2009 1:18 PM

HAA! YES FUCK U2. Someone punch Bono in the face! make him STOP.

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: figgy at May 7, 2009 1:35 PM

I heartily agree with all of those, but especially this statement, "Are we referring to the screechy, repetitious, whine-rock that (let’s face it) did less for indie rock than it did for the douchebag hipster movement that followed it?"

Someone finally said it.

Posted by: cmr at May 7, 2009 1:36 PM

Are you off your fucking nut? Stadium Arcadium was fantastic and American Idiot was Green Day's biggest album to date. Yes, it was better than Dookie. I love when the music snobs slip in their snarky disdain for rock. Yes, these bands use electric guitars. Some of us like that. Deal with it.

The Offspring's new album was their best since Americana. Before "Rise and Fall" came out I would have said they need to be on this list. But they get a conditional reprieve for now.

Weezer is painful now. Pinkerton and the Blue album are classics but everything else has been total shit.

I nominate Marilyn Manson. Yes, he was good at one time on "Antichrist Superstar" and "Mechanical Animals". Everything since, not so much.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 7, 2009 1:40 PM

Someone finally said it.

I heard it came up in "Juno".


Yeah...wow....Pajiba knocking U2. And I think I'm predictable.

Posted by: Jay at May 7, 2009 1:43 PM

No doubt, No Doubt (sorry, I'm so sorry) should hand in their guitars along with their hipster cred cards. After I first heard that whiny, R&B-ish "hey baby, hey baby, hey" line some odd years back, I said goodbye.

Posted by: piedlourde at May 7, 2009 1:48 PM

I will also add that Tori Amos is on the fence for me - and admitting that is like punching my mother in the face. I am a card-carrying shrieking-harpy Toriphile, but even I thought "Beekeeper" blew and "American Doll Posse" was a misfire (with a couple of bright spots). She drops a new album on May 19, and the "leaks" I've heard so far have a promisingly "Choirgirl" vibe, but if she break my heart again, it may be my last Tori Album.

Sigh. At least I'll always have "Boys for Pele."

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 1:52 PM

Duuude...easy on the Sonic Youth! Altough I understand that their appeal (and in Thurston Moore's case, lifestlye inspiration) to douchetastic indie drones may cause a knee-jerk reaction, they remain purveyors of gorgeously toned, slightly askew (in a good way) idiot-savant guitar tuneage. Yeah, sure, their "mature" albums (from 1995's Washing Machine onward) may seem a bit too samey and boring, but only in the way classic mid-to-late 70's Pink Floyd could come across as boring. They may not be at the forefront of anything anymore (since what? 1990?) and they may have stopped experimenting (most of their "experimentation" is mercifully contained in their vanity SYR releases) but name me any other band that has remained as consistent (consistent is the key word...not GREAT albums, but at the very least, GOOD ones) as the 'Yoof for as long as they have! They're like the Motorhead of the pretentious art-rock set!

Posted by: Pancho Ramone at May 7, 2009 1:57 PM

My biggest pet peeve in the world is someone telling an artist to stop.

couldn't we do the same article about the eloquents, and how we say basically the same thing with different nouns all the time.

if twenty years of questionable music produces even one great piece of art, then let them be.

i'm pretty sure it's called the creative process.
if you don't like the music don't buy the album.

and man wouldn't it be great if everytime you posted a comment or article you were spot on original and just fucking brilliant.
but like them you're not.

no one can live up to your standards, including you.

me thinks this is a little pot kettle black.

Posted by: psychoticmonkey at May 7, 2009 1:58 PM

Tammy,

I feel your pain over Beekeeper.I just pretend that album never happened. But I'm trying to keep the faith, 'cause her new album shows prmise, and while American Doll Posse wasn't the greatest thing ever, the tour that went with it was probably the best I've seen of her, so there's always hope.

*Fellow Toriphile crossing fingers*

Posted by: CinnabarriGirl at May 7, 2009 1:59 PM

I gave up on Rock & Roll when I first heard the Cars. Why do you guys think there are so many "Classic Rock" stations around? New music mostly just sucks.

There is one local radio station that has an incredibly eclectic playlist. I mean, like Beach Boys, then Ella, then some new guy that I had never heard of before, then Beatles. That station, I'll listen to.

I'm going to go crank up some Mozart, now.

-Ralphie

Posted by: Ralphie at May 7, 2009 2:00 PM

Psychoticmonkey - kind of defeats the purpose of their having a music column if they can't talk about their opinions about music, don't you think?

Also, THAT'S your biggest pet peeve in the world? Wow.

Posted by: I Love Beets at May 7, 2009 2:02 PM

I actually liked the song "Pork and Beans" off Weezer's Red Album (in fact, it was the only song I could tolerate...even though I still need the title explained to me). But even that song, with Cuomo declaring, basically, that he was embracing his geekdom and wouldn't feel awkward about it for another second, was proof that it was time for Weezer to throw in the towel. Geeky angst is what made Weezer. Without it, there's really no reason for them to go on. So, yeah, no Yellow Album, please...

Posted by: Case at May 7, 2009 2:11 PM

No one said New Order, and no one said Morrissey, so I'se a happy camper.

But to be honest, I only want Moz to continue because it seems to make him happy.* I really only listen to the same early stuff over and over.

*Disclaimer: Morrissey being "happy" would confuse any of his fans- maybe a better word would have been "mopetastically fulfilled."

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at May 7, 2009 2:14 PM

Please add to this list...Creed. Fuck you and your shitty reunion. Grunge died with a shotgun blast and a heroine overdose in the 90's. pearl Jam realized it and moved on. Soundgarden (well 3/4ths of them) bowed out gracefully.

Rolling Stones...fuck you and one of your cocks. Mick Jagger, you are no olonger a sex symbol of rock. You are more like rock's birth control. Just stop it.

Word+number bands, ESPECIALLY, Blink 182...please, unless you plan on finishing what a plain crash started, refrain from occupying a stage near me or I'll set you all on fire my fucking self.

Punctuation bands...Panic! At the Disco, You Say Party, We Say Die, Godspeed You!... blahblahblah... quit it. Your naming convention got old as soon as someone began spelling their punctuation: Question Mark and the Mysterians.

Lastly...AC/DC, Van Halen (in whatever iteration of lead singer...except Gary Cherone...that'd just be too funny to miss), ChickenFoot (just formed...but already...stop it!)...just. just fucking stop. I heard every melody AC/DC could ever write when I listened to High Voltage. You are doing nothing other than making WalMart money and making Bon Scott puke in his coffin.

To all of you....STOP IT!!!

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 2:18 PM

"...couldn't we do the same article about the eloquents..."

Oh, come on psychoticmonkey - I'm goddam mediocre as always... Vanillaville...

Posted by: Skitz at May 7, 2009 2:20 PM

Creed was never really considered "grunge," was it? More just grumbly pop-rock with vaguely Jesusized lyrics, right? Either way, I agree - shit needs to stop.

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 2:22 PM

psychoticmonkey, The difference is the Eloquents aren't paid for our artistic accomplishments.

We're paid for the sex.

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 2:23 PM

Some bands I think you guys missed the point on, like Panic! At The Disco and Creed, they were always terrible, they don't deserved to be mentioned here.

As for the Chili Peppers, nah, they got past their bad point when they fired that hermaphordite Dave Navarro. Now, they're a fine, if not great, band.

Kudos to everyone who mentioned Guns and Roses, fuck you Axl! You had something great, and your ego pissed it away.

Thank god Metallica put out Death Magnetic, if not, they'd belong on this list.

Posted by: George at May 7, 2009 2:29 PM

And I totally support Whorish Mouth with the Ozzie comment. Hearing Zack Wylde faggin' it up on Never Gonna Stop was just pathetic. Oh! And Zack...the 80's called. Your registration is about to expire on your last name. Better re-up.

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 2:31 PM

Color me shocked that not much has been made of the Smashing Pumpkins record of (mis)note. Maybe being a fan of this band in the 90s paints a apologetic picture, but I really don't respect anything that's come from Corgan since 2000. I think 'Machina II' was basically a solo record done at home, or something, and posted to the Internet as an F-U to the record company. To use the S.P. name and continue to record albums is so disingenuous. Even if he could bribe D'Arcy and Iha to come back, I don't even know if I could respect him (Corgan). He's the very definition of sold out (see: Hyundai commercial). Ahh..it just makes me sad.

Having rambled on about that, if all four original members were to get together and agree to tour and play the old stuff, I would hand over my $60 like a mindless zombie. And rock out. Kill me.

Posted by: gunnertec at May 7, 2009 2:32 PM

Pancho Ramones...You've earned a punch square in the dick for daring to use Sonic Youth's name or efforts in the same sentence as Pink Floyd. please meet me at the Picnic.

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 2:35 PM

Green Day!!! They were unique at first, until they turned into an even pop-ier version of Blink 182.

Posted by: ER at May 7, 2009 2:37 PM

Bite your tongue, Skitz. No way NIN should be on this list.

Tammy, a friend of a friend snagged me a ticket for the NINJA tour, the show in Charlotte. It is indeed possible to love someone you've never met and know nothing about.

Posted by: Nadha at May 7, 2009 2:58 PM

I fucking love weezer and i personally dug The Red album . I went to 2 shows in LA and they were fucking amazing.

I have said time and time again i hate the music post you guys have added and this only cements my hatred for them so fuck you .

Christian Hagen Im sure your a ground breaking artist in Minneapolis but to the rest of the world you are a fucking nothing a never was and a never will be .

So fuck you
Fuck you very much.

Posted by: gilp at May 7, 2009 2:59 PM

THANK GOD you put bob dylan on that list. i had to even turn off the fresh air review of his latest record- it is pretty much un-listenable.

Posted by: bree at May 7, 2009 2:59 PM

No mention of Chris Cornell? The last album he put out broke my brain and made me fear music.

Posted by: SKellyHart at May 7, 2009 3:00 PM

maybe you just listen to shitty music gilp and that's why it rubs you the wrong way?

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 3:00 PM

i kid. i kid.

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 3:03 PM

Nadha,

I . . . I want to go to there.


I clearly need new friends. Or my friends need new friends. WHichever gets me into the NIN/JA tour

Posted by: Tammy at May 7, 2009 3:06 PM

Damn, gilp, no need to take this so personal. Christian, you didn't happen to KILL Weezer after writing this, did you? Rivers Cuomo looks like he'd put up a fight.

Posted by: Julie at May 7, 2009 3:12 PM

I agree with all of the above, and also choose to support the Eloquent nominations of Bruce (yes, that's right, you actually hit the camera with my crotch during the Superbowl halftime show) Springsteen, AC/DC, Van Halen, Guns 'N Roses (really, Axl? Was obscurity that painful?), Green Day (I remember when you're good, I was in grade 5 and didn't know better), and The Smashing Pumpkins.

The jury is still out on New Order, as Get Ready was great and Waiting for the Siren's Call was horrible. Nine Inch Nails does not deserve to be anywhere near this list.

I want to add two more bands here. One who has a really long record (like 20 years now) of sucking: Elton John. I can't help but adore Elton John's 60s and 70s tracks which are easily some of the best music in an already stacked era. But everything Elton John did from like 1985 onward, with the exception of the live album in Sydney (which was really a revisitation of old music) has sucked. A lot. Just stop. That includes your high profile funeral performances (does the fact that you raped your own song into some contrived version for a deceased friend of yours not bother you at all? If the answer is no, then that in and of itself is proof that you are no longer an artist) or duets (the album or the brutally retarded duet with Eminem). Please, just stop.

The second addition is for Canadian audiences as, despite their huge popularity in Canada, American audiences have never liked these guys: The Tragically Hip. Just stop. Please, shut up. Your brutally aloof demeanor is equally as offensive as your 3 or 4 albums. Oh, and to the radio stations: stop playing their old stuff so that I can one day appreciate the Tragically Hip once again.

Posted by: Darcy at May 7, 2009 3:19 PM

Yes to Weezer, yes to Green Day, and all of the bands that are trying to keep it going without their seminal members (gawd, that sounds dirty):
Queen, INXS, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc.

PS: I love rock. I just don't like things that suuu-huck.

Posted by: frumpiefox at May 7, 2009 3:29 PM

I have to agree pretty much with the whole list. Even though it breaks my heart because Dylan is on it. Seriously though, your time, Mr. Dylan, has come.....and gone.....awhile ago. I'm sorry.
I also second (third, fourth, whatever) the following:

Metallica
G'N'R
AC/DC
Bruce Springsteen
The Stones (another painful one)

And a few others but I'll stop now before I'm struck by lighting.

Posted by: Eyvi at May 7, 2009 3:53 PM

Oh! Fuck me running I almost forgot the thing that has pissed me off more than anything musically over the last 10 years...

The Misfits

Seriously...Jerry. Stop it. You guys are now as much The Misfits as GnR is GnR. The only difference is that while you and Axl are both insufferable dickholes, you have been a savvy enough marketing whore to brand the Crimson Ghost's image on everything from Onesies to Birth Control pill packs to Lunchboxes, therefore, keeping yourself "semi-relevant." but you are no longer the Misfits. Once Doyle left, you became The Jerry Only All-Star Band. Fuck...I wouldn't even feel comfortable if you billed yourselves as 'The Misfitesques.'

Christ...although you got some more success with the amazing pipes of Michael Graves, Glenn Danzig WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE the Misfits. You are nothing more now than a marketing whore and retired Christian Heavy Metal singer. (Kryst the Conqueror anyone?)

Jerry Only...you are the reason I hate the Misfits. Too bad for me Glenn and Michael could write/sing some good shit. I just pretend Jimmy Battle is still the one playing.

Fuck you Jerry. Fuck you for making The Misfits the unofficial logo for 'Pop Gothic' at my local mall. Make sure you send me a thank you card when I buy a onezie for my first child.

Posted by: PissBoy at May 7, 2009 3:53 PM

*err...Lightning.

Posted by: eyvi at May 7, 2009 3:57 PM

"The Joshua Tree had a few decent songs..."

I'd like to nominate Christian H. for the #1 position on the hipster douchesters list.

And they say Bono is a douche.

Posted by: ed newman at May 7, 2009 4:00 PM

Oh damn PissBoy, I haven't listened to Danzig in years. Those were some good drunken/stoney times.

Also, does Michael Jackson count?

Posted by: admin at May 7, 2009 4:43 PM

Metallica, Metallica, Metallica. It's over. Your metal is over. You haven't written a good song in 20 years, maybe more.

You guys are the whiniest metalheads ever with your f-ing therapies and issues. I don't give a shit why you act the way you do. Just make some good music goddammit! Death Magnetic sucked ass: I blow heavier loads in the toilet every morning. You guys sound like the Nickelback of metal.

Oh and as for you Bad Religion. Just change a couple of words, and that's exactly the same thing. Oh, and also, maybe cut down on the bitterness, you dickwads. Saw Bentley in an interview whine about how younger punkers sold more records than they did. Suck it up, and turn it off!

Posted by: jpguy13 at May 7, 2009 4:45 PM

I second the vote for No Doubt. MTV created a monster in Gwen Stefani that is far worse than anything else on this list. I can ignore new Weezer and Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins and Radiohead (In Rainbows sucks, why has this not been mentioned yet?), but the zombified Stefani kills me every time.

Posted by: Kelly at May 7, 2009 5:28 PM

That was painful to read. Puhleaseee enlighten me: What kind of music DO you like?

Sonic Youth and the Pixies are my old stand bys! But I guess differ'nt strokes for differ'nt folks applies here?

Posted by: grace b at May 7, 2009 5:42 PM

Hey duder,

I totally agree with this list. I don't think half the people who commented understand that you are making a list of bands who were once good and now suck--come on people pay attention!
I really like most of these bands early stuff, but you're totally right. They need to stop!!!

Posted by: Christopher McCarthy at May 7, 2009 6:01 PM

First off, I'm with Pissboy on the Misfits thing. That is the very definition of beating a dead horse to the point that it isn't even recognizable as a horse anymore.

I'm on board with the Weezer sickness, too. The Blue Album and Pinkerton are two of my absolute favorite albums from the 90's, but this Red one is garbage. So were Maladroit and whatever the shitty one with "Beverly Hills" was called.

But Sonic Youth? Really? You can't blame them for the fact that much of the followers they inspired just happen to be douchebags and make shitty whine-music. Rather Ripped is great. Hell, I own every album and can listen to any of them at any given time.

And I don't get the hate for bands whose songs sound the same. At all. I take comfort in the fact that I can buy an AC/DC or Motorhead album and know exactly what it's going to sound like. It makes no sense to me to like one or two songs and hate all the rest.

Posted by: Mattfactor at May 7, 2009 6:07 PM

I also don't get pre-emptively putting the Pixies on here. I, for one, didn't discover them until they were broken up - I'd jump at the chance to see them live, even if they are way past their "prime." And who can say that anything they do now will automatically suck? They never released a bad album and I'll definitely give them a chance should they ever decide to record again.

Posted by: Mattfactor at May 7, 2009 6:09 PM

is no one going to mention army of lovers?

Posted by: gp at May 7, 2009 6:49 PM

No mention of REM anywhere?

...GOOD! OK, maybe around the time of Around The Sun, I would have told them to go and live a good life. But Accelerate is the motherfuckin' bomb, yo.

Posted by: Shane at May 7, 2009 8:02 PM

Sadly, I agree with almost every entry on the list (although the preemptive strike on The Pixies makes no sense). I need to add Depeche Mode, Radiohead, and the worst of the worst--how is it that you didn't include them on the list?--the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys. Those two have offended me with their shittiness since the late 90's. Now, all of these bands should continue to tour, however, because they are still awesome. Their awesome stuff never gets old and they should perform it so that as many people as possible have the experience of hearing them kick ass. Of course, this is contingent upon them only playing their greatest stuff. When I go to hear Radiohead, I want to hear Thom wailing away about "Fake Plastic Trees" and "OK Computers", not any crap off of the "In Rainbows" disc. Or, I want to hear Dave Gahan belt out "Personal Jesus" or "Enjoy the Silence", not some shitty track from the latest album...none of the tracks off the new album are panty moisteners like the golden oldies ;)

Posted by: Sigh at May 7, 2009 8:06 PM

A-fucking-men about U2.

Posted by: matt at May 7, 2009 8:11 PM

Metallica, Metallica, Metallica. It's over. Your metal is over. You haven't written a good song in 20 years, maybe more.

You guys are the whiniest metalheads ever with your f-ing therapies and issues. I don't give a shit why you act the way you do. Just make some good music goddammit! Death Magnetic sucked ass: I blow heavier loads in the toilet every morning. You guys sound like the Nickelback of metal.

Eat some fuck, jpguy13! I will not have one of the greatest bands ever be compared to motherfucking Nickelback. Even every single album put out by Nickelback made Metallica's worst album, St. Anger, look like Master of Puppets in comparison.

I will not have anyone insult the new-old Metallica, and even when you insult their shitty period, at least have the decency not to put them in the same league as Nickelback. Fuck you, jpguy13!

Posted by: George at May 7, 2009 8:26 PM

The only way for the pain to end is for the music to stop.

Awwww, pick up that bottom lip. It’s as easy as hitting “stop”.

If you pitched this as “bands that jumped the shark” I would have been in complete agreement, but this is akin to telling George Lucas to stop making Star Wars films while his prequels are pulling in 300+ million a pop.

All of these guys can release as many albums they like for all I care, I don’t buy them. Artistically speaking they have thoroughly defined themselves, there are no great surprises left and unless it was a particularly neat trick (imo Death Magnetic was a long overdue follow up to …And Justice for All, sue me), there is usually have little left to offer that is surprising or new.

Green Day were a surprise in the way they bucked the trend. American Idiot came at the point where bands usually hit the slippery slope, setting a fresh energetic new direction (for them at least) where they otherwise would have been heading for mid-life crisis. I haven’t heard any of the new album, but they seem to be replicating the rock opera format- call me a pessimist, but that doesn't exactly have me brimming with excitement.

I have somehow escaped hearing most of the last three U2 albums and the few bits I managed to catch all sounded like “Beautiful Day”, which is as bland an example of FM radio beige as you'll find. Stop pointing the finger at the band as if it’s their fault for producing a copy of a copy of a copy- if you’re so helpless that you can’t stop listening, blame yourself.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 7, 2009 8:27 PM

I intentionally didn't include Green Day or The Red Hot Chili Peppers, for reasons I'll probably explain at a later date. I didn't include the Stones because, to be honest I was tired and forgot. Same with Guns and Roses.

I will never, in any way, bash Radiohead. They haven't made a single bad SONG since they released OK Computer. It's been all golden. How anyone can like their work and not think In Rainbows is just as much of a classic is beyond me.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 7, 2009 8:32 PM

nooooouuuuu! shut up about the pixies, i will cut you!!

i'm 20 right now and i discovered them in the 10th grade fell into a severe kind of love.

i would love to see them... if they plan on coming to australia anytime soon that is.

but yes suckit U2 - JUST DIE.

Posted by: joyeetargh at May 7, 2009 9:58 PM

I need to add Depeche Mode, Radiohead, and the worst of the worst--how is it that you didn't include them on the list?--the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys...

no no nouuuuuuuuuuuu!
stop stop stop it!

Posted by: joyeetargh at May 7, 2009 10:05 PM

The worst part is that I like all of those bands (at least their older works...Weezer might be the best example and that makes me quite sad). Also, you could add Bruce Springsteen to the list.

Posted by: Radlum at May 7, 2009 10:43 PM

George, if I may: suck my ass.

I'm gonna do you one better: not only can we compare those two bands but Metallica is even worse than Nickelback, and I'm going to tell you why.

Metallica used to be great. As a matter of fact, they used to be one of the greatest bands out there. Nickelback sucks, but it's all they can do. It's like a retarded child drawing something mildly nice: you're not as hard on them as you would be on most people. You go "Ahhh. You did all that by yourself?", and pat them on the head.

Metallica, on the other hand, they're the fucking genius of the class, the goddamm Leonardo Da Vinci's, the fucking Beethoven of metal, and all they give you is shit that's barely better than the retarded kid's.

That is why Metallica is worse than Nickleback.

Oh and did I mention this before: suck my ass.

That is all.

Posted by: jpguy13 at May 7, 2009 11:12 PM

Thank BOB someone else mentioned Chris Cornell. There's a man who jumped the fucking shark. Why he even bothered to release Scream is beyond me. And why the fuck he goes on trying to look like he's still 20-some-odd is right up there.

Don't get me wrong: I love Soundgarden, and Euphoria Morning is good enough to give Carry On a free pass, but whoever decided that letting Chris sing pop lyrics and the producing the living shit out of it to put all kinds of hippity-hoppity style beats to it needs to be shot. Repeatedly. Then run over with spiked tires.

With his voice in its current state, give the man a guitar, a sheet of blues lyrics and let him go to town. There will never be another Soundgarden (as if Audioslave taught us nothing!), but there doesn't need to be another one. Quit trying to be big and popular, Chris, and just do what you do best.

Posted by: Serzen at May 7, 2009 11:46 PM

author's wrong re: bob dylan.

love & theft is a masterpiece, music and lyrics, even when judged against his entire discography, not just his recent albums.

Posted by: icecreammang at May 8, 2009 12:17 AM

But Cornell has two kids, a mortgage and wife that'll need plastic surgery soon!

Posted by: Trillion at May 8, 2009 12:28 AM

Sonic Nurse kicks ass.
Rather Ripped kicks ass.
The Eternal kicks ass.

You suck.

Posted by: Josh at May 8, 2009 12:41 AM

I still maintain that Metallica is great right now. And live, they were always great, even when they were playing their terrible songs from their new albums. But even at their worst, they were never Nickelback bad. If Lars Ulrich put out a record of his own diahreea noises, it would still have more artistic merit than motherfucking Nickelback.

And, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Death Magnetic was a fine album. It may be the best album to reach number one on the charts in years (that's not saying much, however) and if you didn't think it was at least a good album, you have shitty taste in music.

Fuck you, jpguy13, yet again.

Posted by: George at May 8, 2009 1:06 AM

This is the second swipe at Dylan on this site and sadly, for you young whipper snappers, you continue to demonstrate your lack of years on this planet when you do so.
You are the voice of your generation, but unfortunately, your generation has more than passed its prime.
You said it straight...and the fact is, Dylan doesn't speak to your sorry ass excuse for a generation, he speaks to those of us that have wandered this planet for more than 20 measly years, that weren't raised on the manufactured pap of TV and suckled on the teat of the interwebs.Maybe when you have lived a little more, lost a lot of love and stared death in the face a thousand thousand times, you'll begin to understand the stories Dylan tells.

Posted by: Brite at May 8, 2009 2:55 AM

Yeah, leave Dylan and Sonic Youth alone! What's so offensive about consistently making solid, interesting records year after year? I much prefer listening to the late work of "formerly relevant" artists than hearing about Creed's reunion tour. Are the Pixies even actually still together? U2 should just kick Bono out and keep making instrumental albums, he's the only true jackass in the band.

Posted by: qualler at May 8, 2009 10:16 AM

Well, qualler, if you read the article you'd know that The Pixies are embarking on yet another reunion tour, taking the Beach Boys approach to not being a band anymore.

And brite, what "stories" are we talking about? He hasn't told a decent story on record in two to three decades.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 8, 2009 10:21 AM

Yeah, but reunion tours shouldn't count as hardcore as new, crappier Weezer songs (who, I agree, should most definitely hang it up at this point). I did indeed read the article, just did a poor job of wording the intent of my comment.

Shane, as a fellow R.E.M. fanatic, I don't disagree that Accelerate is an improvement over Around the Sun, but they really should have just hung it up after Up came out...they really haven't put anything out terribly inspiring to me since then.

Posted by: qualler at May 8, 2009 12:52 PM

The thing is Dylan still has the sound down but has lost the storytelling that made him remarkable. I actually find the last two of Springsteen's albums to be reminisent of early Dylan and therefore rather enjoyable. And whoever said that the younger generation just doesn't "get" the appeal of Dylan needs a reality check.

Bands that I think make this list should include Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters. When your last album is acoustic covers of your originally fun rock songs, you need to re-evaluate your bands priorities.

Posted by: erin at May 8, 2009 12:56 PM

Most of your choices are fat, easy targets whom you did not fail to hit. I'll echo those who were relieved/ecstatic when R.E.M. put out Accelerate and (temporarily, anyway) avoided this fate.

However, I imagine most fans thought Rather Ripped was a great album; I sure as hell did. It had been a few albums since Sonic Youth were interesting, but they've always been consistently creative, productive, and uncompromising. Clearly you never liked or understood them, which undermines the credibility of the rest of your column. (That and admitting that *Weezer* is the band it pains you most to put on your list.)

I have to credit your nerve, though, dude-- slagging Sonic Youth *and* linking to your boring, annoying, pretentiously amateurish band and your warmed-over Neutral Arcade Palace music. I've played with so many bands like yours in the last three years (with trumpets! always fucking TRUMPETS!), and I always wonder, given that the music is so limp, lifeless, and devoid of energy or fun, "What do these guys get *out* of this?! They practice every week and lug their shit around to make *this*?!" Why don't YOU stop?!

What's that you say? What gives me the right to say who should or shouldn't be making music? Hm. Interesting point. But it's so much fun to be a critical asshole. Isn't it?

Posted by: pk at May 8, 2009 2:08 PM

311

Posted by: Protoguy at May 8, 2009 6:46 PM

nah, fuck it, I will take anything the Pixies decide to offer.

Posted by: DaveKan at May 8, 2009 7:16 PM

OK, I've got a new comment diversion for you: Make me love new music again!

I remember how excited I used to get when a rock & roller had a new album coming out. Of course, that was when albums were vinyl.

The last band I got excited about was Van Halen. Long time ago...

I'm 61 years old, and grew up on Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Beach Boys, you know, Rock & Roll!

I hated punk, until I realized it was what Frank Zappa had been doing 20 years earlier. Then I still hated it.

I never got into grunge, and finally just decided to stick to Classical, and blues, and old stuff in general.

My kid is 21, but he doesn't really want me listening to the same stuff he listens to. Go figure!

Anyway, are there any suggestions from the eloquents as to what I should listen to to get back up to speed?

Anybody?

Bueller?

Anybody?

-Ralphie

Posted by: ralphie at May 8, 2009 10:53 PM

Tammy, our tickets are for lawn (which blows white-hot chunks), but I'm not complaining too loudly when it's free...

Posted by: Nadha at May 8, 2009 11:12 PM

George if you knew how to read, you'd understand that I litterally wrote that Metallica makes better music than Nickelback. However, I don't think it's nearly good enough for what they are capable of doing.

Resume ass-sucking.

Posted by: jpguy13 at May 8, 2009 11:23 PM

Anybody?

-Ralphie

Posted by: ralphie at May 8, 2009 10:53 PM
---
(You all know what's coming)

Drive-By Truckers. Rock for adults.

I'd also recommend Bottle Rockets.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 9, 2009 2:19 AM

almost agreed on everything, but sonic youth? c'mon your whole list thingie sucked because of it.

Posted by: Misael at May 9, 2009 4:48 AM

Ralphie:

I'll second Buc's Drive By Truckers recommendation. If blues rock is your thing, I always recommend The Black Keys and Radio Moscow. Sam Roberts has some rockin' good stuff. And for straightforward blues, I'd go with R.L. Burnside for the old-school sound, William Elliott Whitmore for a taste of new blood country-blues, or P.W. Long for just flat-out awesomeness.

There you go. A starter kit, if you will. Let me know how it goes.

Posted by: TK at May 9, 2009 8:59 AM

Thanks, guys, I'll check'em out.

BTW, here's a little hint for ya'll. If you have an account at i-tunes, keep a close eye on your bank account. Seems that someone there has been helping themselves to customer's credit card and debit card numbers. We found 2 charges for $50 i-tunes gift certificates.

Just a word to the wise!

Thanks again!

-Ralphie

Posted by: ralphie at May 9, 2009 9:09 AM

Ralphie, I would second all the above reccomendations and include The Derek Trucks Band.

LOL, pk, I know I should be pissed or whatever, but that was a hilariously mean rant. Of course, I link to my band just to get us some more hits, and you have to keep in mind that as an unsigned band getting paid less than $50 a gig, we don't have money for any high quality recordings. I have to make one clarification, however: We feature a trumpet on one song. Our buddy plays trumpet, we wanted him on the track. It sounds like you listened to the first part of one song with the intention of ripping it to shreds.

What's that you say? What gives me the right to say who should or shouldn't be making music?

Funny, that's not what I was thinking at all. Because *TA-DA* that's what music criticism is. You have an opinion and you voiced it, even if you only did it out of spite for the fact that I don't like Sonic Youth.

Posted by: Audiosuede at May 9, 2009 9:47 AM

Ralphie,

Anyone can tell you about Neil Young still being relevant blah blah. I'll give you a couple more obscure recommendations. Both these guys are in roughly our age bracket:

www.joegrushecky.ca/

www.billyprice.com

Gruskecky is a Pittsburgh guy and Springsteen crony (so yeah, he's kind of a poor man's Boss)who once fronted the greatest bar band on the planet. Still making good blue-collar rock and roll though he's got to be past 50, just like he has for 30 years.

Google "Have a good time but get out alive" and see the Rolling Stone review.

Billy Price is nearing 60 but still puts on a hell of an r'n'b/dirty-blues show. Plus we're kind of friends, so I'd be remiss if I didn't mention him. He's a Pittsburgh transplant from New Jersey.

I have a two CD live record that just burns the house down. Oddly, I don't see it for sale on his site. Don't know what that's about. It's on CDbaby tho:

cdbaby.com/cd/billypriceband7

Well worth $20.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 9, 2009 1:30 PM

Christian, you embarrass yourself with this entire article and I am disheartened to see the comments section is just a bunch of mindless piling on with only a few sniveling defenses of specific bands thrown in.

So let me get this straight: Your premise is that artists who at one time made music that you enjoyed should now stop making music altogether because you no longer find it meets your standards? Really? You presume to offer up quality control on Bob Dylan and Sonic Youth? Your going to call out Rivers Cuomo and Bono because you "can't ignore the pain" of a sub-standard release? You dare to tell Frank Black he doesn't rate a second reunion tour?

For your sake I hope this article is quickly lost in the torrent of stupidity that is blog criticism so you are spared the pain of re-reading it should you ever grow up and gain some perspective.

If you don't like an album, fine. That's all up to you. If you don't care for a particular artist that's your call too. But if you want to bitch and cry about an artist you did like because their new stuff just won't get you off like before, as if your status as former fan gives you some special say in what they chose to come up with next, please. Grow up. They owe you shit.

If you don't like Modern Times you can get in line behind the angry hippies who got all worked up when Dylan betrayed them and went electric in 1965. Frank Black could rock your face off while collecting social security, let alone at the svelte 44 years he is now. U2 will continue to rock the world, and Sonic Youth will continue to experiment in their small corner of it. Rivers Cuomo farts in your general direction.


Posted by: Yossarian at May 11, 2009 12:22 PM

Christian,

Actually, I listened to all your tunes in their entirety, and I was perfectly willing, even hoping, to have your band be great. I like bands that are great. (Trumpets are just a pet peeve of mine, because--seriously--everybody has one lately.)

So, no, I didn't pan you out of spite, but I'm glad there's no hard feelings, because "hilariously mean" is what I was going for (as opposed to "dickishly mean" or whatever). You just got under my skin with that sweeping, uninformed dismissal of Sonic Youth. "[S]creechy, repetitious whine-rock ... unlistenable noise ... that (let's face it) did less for indie rock than it did for the douchebag hipster movement that followed it."

First of all, it seems like you called Sonic Youth fans "douchebag hipsters," and that's just mean. Second, you're wrong, and you're missing out, if you think that's all there is to Sonic Youth. Sister, Daydream Nation, Goo, Rather Ripped--those records span 20 years, and there's way more beauty, melody, power, and humor going on there than you apparently think.

Anyway, I'm not the president of the Sonic Youth fan club or anything. I just didn't think you knew what you were talking about, and there's a difference between having a critical opinion and just having a beef.

But fair's fair, so beef away:

www.myspace.com/eisenhowerfieldday

Posted by: pk at May 12, 2009 2:30 PM