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The State of Pajiba

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Miscellaneous | Comments (171)



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Running a website with aspirations of commercial viability will inevitably run into conflicts, as we have over the years. As the personality and identity of the site has evolved since 2004, there have always been certain internal and external conflicts. We began as a film review site exclusively, added television coverage a couple of years later, then the occasional trade news post and trailer, before adding features (the Guides), Pajiba Love, regular news coverage, “Lost” recaps, seriously random lists, the Cannonball Read, videos, Career Assessments, comedy pieces, a celebrity column, and even, now, a sex and a sports column. Each progression has been met with some resistance, both from readers and the writers, but ultimately, everything has been embraced to differing degrees. For the most part, anyway.

Though tensions still exist and always will, from my perspective, the place has never been better, and I’ve never had more fun putting the site together each day. To me, the contributions on this site have reached a sublime balance between fun and insightful, thoughtful and frivolous, intelligent and entertaining, rage and levity. We’re veteran enough now that I don’t feel like we need to prove ourselves or satisfy a certain expectation, and there’s a certain freedom in that. The Community still manages to grow, to spin-off onto Facebook or other sites, and yet it hasn’t become diluted. If there’s anything I’m more proud of than the exceptionally talented writers the site has collected over the years, mostly plucked from the comments section and other readers, it’s the community itself, which knows when to be thoughtful and when to retire to the boudoir.

But the tension still exists. We have similar enough sensibilities to congregate in one place, but our personalities and our opinions vary. For myself, there’s always a certain internal tension. How can I write about the reprehensible sexualization of rape in one post and rant about Christina Hendricks’ breast in another? How do I maintain a feminist slant while commenting on the sexual attraction of a woman (or a man)? Where’s the line between objectification and appreciation? Is there a line? Do I show Odette Yustman’s ass as a comment on Hollywood’s exploitation of it, or am I exploiting it myself? The line often blurs even for me, and it’s then when I have to remind myself to be thoughtful about it, but not overthink it. Add to that other competing interests: I have a kid for whom I want to be a decent role model, but I also want to feed and clothe him. I also have a professional wife who I don’t want to embarrass. I’m not always successful in that regard.

I spend more time than I might should reflecting on the direction of the site. There are days when I worry that we don’t maintain a properly strict focus on film and television. How do Michael Murray’s comedy posts fit into that? Why is Jason Harris writing about his divorce? How does C. Robert Dimitri’s sports columns jibe? Pajiba debates? The sex column? Why is Courtney writing about Snooki? Why am I doing silly shit like the reconditioning the libido posts? But 90 percent of the time, my feeling is this: It’s what makes Pajiba what it is. It’s what makes it different than every other film and television blog. As long as it’s well written, thoughtful, or provocative in some way, it seems to fit with the personality of the site. It may alienate some, but it’s also what sets us apart from the rest. Movie blogs are a dime a dozen, but few juggle insight and playfulness as well as I think the writers here do.

What about those reviews? The focus of the site. We write more than we ever have, and for the most part, we’ve managed to maintain the no publicists rule. We don’t do give aways; we don’t do set visits; we don’t and won’t do junkets; we don’t associate with filmmakers or talent; and we don’t seek access, and we certainly don’t trade access for positive coverage. There are no conflicts of interests, and we go above and beyond the principles laid out by the Society of Professional Journalist Code of Ethics. But, out of necessity, we have relaxed our no advanced screening policy. We’ve never been about being first with our reviews; ours are good enough, I think, to hold up, even if they aren’t released until the day a movie is released (or shortly thereafter). But financially, it just wasn’t viable for Brian to pay $10 - $15 a piece to see four or five indie flicks a week, which often don’t generate a lot of page views, and Dan’s day job conflicted with the Friday reviewing schedule. It was more important to me to hold on to Dan and Brian than maintain a strict, and sometimes arbitrary, no advanced screening policy. It’s clear from their reviews that that very limited access hasn’t influenced their opinions. And we still run most of them on the day of release, as we always have. Because it’s not about being first; being first is what you do when you have nothing else to fall back on. Moreover, if it means that TK can review a few of the big comic-book movies this summer (instead of me), we may relax it with regard to him, as well.

And what about The Hollywood Cog? He has had a huge impact on the focus of the site during the last year, as his scoops brought us visibility, but also brought us a lot of criticism for our small contribution to micro-reporting and trade news gossip mongering. But the biggest lesson we learned from that ongoing experience is this: Stay true to your audience. We’re not a scoop site, and I got caught up in it. There are sites that do that remarkably well: Slashfilm, Deadline, The Playlist, The Wrap. We’re not one of those sites. We don’t make the news; we mock the news. We make fun of the process, and I don’t particularly want Pajiba to be a part of that process. We will continue to use the Cog’s information, but we will use it in a way that befits this site. We’ll report it, but only against the backdrop of the broken Hollywood system.

A lot of people in this industry suggest you should write for yourself and not your audience. In most cases, that’s a terrible fucking business plan. But I’ve found that the more fun we’re having with the content, the more receptive our audience seems to be. We’re not trying to gain massive mainstream appeal — there’s a ceiling to anything that calls itself Pajiba, not least of which is that two-thirds of our own readers can’t pronounce it correctly. But we can slowly pick up the smaller base of like-minded readers until we’ve gained them all. We want to be serious, but never self serious, and fun, but not at the expense of intelligence. I hope to maintain a nice mix of thoughtful and frivolous posts throughout the year and beyond and I hope to hell that we hang on to every writer we currently have, because they are fucking fantastic and right now, they are killing it.

And that’s where we are in 2011, folks, three days ahead of the Sundance Film Festival. If you have complaints or grievances, here’s where you air them. I may dismiss some, I may implement others, but I promise to read and consider them all.










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Comments

Thank you, Overlord, for your dedication and hard work. As a token of my gratitude, I shall click an ad every time I open a page for the next 25 minutes, or until I forget.

Posted by: logar at January 17, 2011 3:29 PM

Don't change a thing for me.

Posted by: Fuckchop at January 17, 2011 3:33 PM

A) Keep doing what you're doing. Pajibaland is a breath of fresh air in the steaming, crotchstained cesspool that is internet mediocrity.

B) To the Eloquents: you are a weird, wonderful fraternity of debauchery and over-education. My mind wants to make out with all of your minds. And maybe even get to second base with a couple of you.

Posted by: Tammy at January 17, 2011 3:34 PM

Love this place, have since '04, loved watching it grow from a post every three days to checking back hourly to see whats new, love the mad, drunken, insane family that is the comments section.

Thanks Dusty and team.

Posted by: thaf at January 17, 2011 3:34 PM

You Mr. Rowles, are awesome. keep up the good work.

Posted by: Lordninja at January 17, 2011 3:35 PM

Hey! You're beautiful; don't ever change.

Seriously, I haven't been reading the whole time, but for a long time, and there've certainly been changes, but, to me, overall, the tenor remains about the same. It's mostly intelligent, sometimes goofy, and always entertaining.

Keep up the good work.

I guess it's too late now to do this thing under a pseudonym so as not to embarrass your wife, isn't it? Oh well.

Posted by: MM at January 17, 2011 3:36 PM

More capes!

Oh...sorry...

I've only got a few minutes so I can't wax poetic, but I'd like to thank Dustin and the rest of you Pajiba pervs (and you KNOW who you are) for extending the community to FaceSpace. Your wackyness, true stories and color commentary make my day a little brighter.

And EVERY lantern needs to be a little brighter, dont'cha think?

Posted by: Green Lantern at January 17, 2011 3:39 PM

I love a lot of the frivolous stuff. The movie reviews are great and everyone's writing skills are inspiring no matter the subject. The community feel is what keeps Pajiba open on my computer all day though.

Posted by: Paultera at January 17, 2011 3:41 PM

Its all about the A&E.

Come here for the entertainment, stay for the art.

Most of the movies out of Hollywood are not "art", or even entertaining for that matter. Some are one, but not the other. Some are both.

You can post Christina's boobs because they are endlessly entertaining (and a work of art if I might add), but you post about Mad Men too, which is both artistic and entertaining.

Give me my chocolate and my boiled chicken breast.

This site works because (not when) its both. Not every post has to be profound. Its a break from work after all.

A picture of an attractive person may be objectifying that person, but since when is beauty for beauty's sake a bad thing?

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 17, 2011 3:42 PM

I'll admit there are columns I don't even bother to read, but there aren't any that make me think, "Man, I don't know if I even like Pajiba anymore." Do what you want.

Posted by: Todd at January 17, 2011 3:42 PM

"How do I maintain a feminist slant while commenting on the sexual attraction of a woman (or a man?)."

Dude, please, stop it. I’m glad I decided to keep reading because I thought at the end of the column you were about to come out.

Anyway Rowles that was a great state of Pajiba address, I think Pajiba is going in the right direction. One of your strengths is that you’ve kept your product strong and consistent thereby insuring that your customers keep coming back. See, I did learn something from watching “The Wire.”

Posted by: Pookie at January 17, 2011 3:43 PM

I think that what you're doing - which objectively appears to be trying a bunch of things out, sourcing from the pool of voices that are already established from within the community - is a balls on accurate and wise way to grow.

Sure, some of the new content is skidding around like a spazzy puppy on tile floors, but it's tons of fun just for that reason - who knows what's coming at you on Pajiba? You get what you hope, expect and return for, plus more. A big active mind looks for change, and I figure we all have more brains than sense, most of the time.

And last - I think we collect here not only because of the quality of criticism, but because the writers take the time to infuse those opinions with a sense of who they are as people and what their perspective is. It's a stellar way to connect an opinion to the relative value it may have for you - did Dan like it? Am I as hard core as Prisco? Will I regret trying out a Dustin favorite? How can I bait TK today?

We KNOW you guys, and you're not posturing or trying to make us like you and that adds a million notches of goodness and flavor to the whole enterprise.

Posted by: replica at January 17, 2011 3:44 PM

as a long time reader and occasional commenter i'd just like to say that i think this site is fantastic and i love the sense of community it has (even if i only rarely participate in it).

the only two recurring columns you've added that i think feel out of place are the "pajiba debates" and the sports column. serious/quality political debates are something that require nuance and the careful crafting of an argument. the comment section of a website just isn't the place for thoughtful debate (and this is coming from someone who loves to talk politics). i am of the opinion that debates should be done right or not at all.

and can i just say, i loved jason harris' column about his marriage. while i've never been through anything remotely similar, i was touched by it. i like to think that sharing that part of his life was a form of catharsis for him. i also think his willingness to share that part of himself (and your, dustin, willingness to post it) is a part of what makes pajiba a community.

oh, and as for the sports column...i just don't like sports.

Posted by: RomeoCranberry at January 17, 2011 3:48 PM

Potential divorce, goddammit. I STILL HAVE HOPE. For two more weeks at least.

Shit.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at January 17, 2011 3:50 PM

I love the site, check it everyday, it's on the toolbar, I actually read the comments sections (a big deal), etc. Hurray for Pajiba!

Anyway (someone mentioned this somewhere on the site before), there are a lot more lists nowadays. I dunno...kinda bothers me that many of the posts are just lists.

(vdo86 -- There are a lot more lists of late, but to be honest, more times than not, it's our way of trying to make a regular news story more interesting. For instance, I could've posted the new images from the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo alone, but I thought it was more fun to make a list comparing it them to Marilyn Manson. Likewise, the new image from Twilight -- it was a lot more fun to mix that up into a list asking "Which of These 5 Sex Positions Will Edward and Bella Attempt on their Wedding Night?" rather than posting it alone and offering commentary. A lot of the time, it's just trying to inject something fun into a trade news story that by itself might not be as interesting. -- DR)

Posted by: vdo86 at January 17, 2011 3:50 PM

I'd repeat the previous positive comments, but lovefests are for "People" and Jay Leno.
That said, its refreshing of you to share the things that worry you. It allows newbie readers learn that this is a thinking person's website.

For my 2 cents, the evolution of this site is usually carefully and thoughtfully tended to, maybe it will help if you can think of Pajiba as an entertainment blog/journal, evolved from 8mm beginnings.

One thing you said worried me though, in the sense that you may mistakenly have found your self caught up in some knee-jerk reactionary critiques.

There is plenty of room on the spectrum of sexuality and opinions thereon, to stand firm on the deplorable and heinous, such as "sexualization of rape" while recognizing that christina hendrick's breast are "real and spectacular".

Anyone who thinks these are NOT mutually compatible perspectives is dim, simple and narrowminded. Hell I'm a heterosexual woman, and those girls cannot be denied.

I say, "Go ahead!", be as complex and smart as you want to be. Be irreverent and silly when it suits too. All of these things are why you have this particular gaggle of readers.

Cheers!

Posted by: JuiceinLA at January 17, 2011 3:51 PM

I too shall click ads, good sire.

Also, request: More Timothy Olyphant. It doesn't even have to be fucking NEWS, how about just a daily picture of the man?! IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK? Maybe just make him the header picture for every news link, for ever?

I guarantee you, no body will nay this. This is AYE all the way. All the fucking way, or so help me...I'l come for your pets.

Posted by: Nadine at January 17, 2011 3:53 PM

skidding around like a spazzy puppy on tile floors

That made me happy. Hurray for the comments section!

Posted by: vdo86 at January 17, 2011 3:55 PM

I'm glad that you're overthinking it, so I don't have to. And I agree with Todd - more stuff means more stuff I'm skipping, but I'm still getting twice as much Pajiba in my diet as I was two years ago.

Keep up the good work and try to make a little $$ while you do so we can all hate on you in the comments for many years to come.

Posted by: abby_wan_kenobi at January 17, 2011 3:55 PM

Oooh... just re-chiming in to say that I know in the past you've mentioned some angst (? not sure if that's really the right word), or at least that there have been some complaints, about the stuff that's not movie reviews. And about having gone beyond and afield of the focus of the site being movie reviews.

Well, this site has become a community. And movies only get released once a week. And if you try to be timely, that means movie reviews are only getting posted Friday/weekend. Even if you throw in some re-hashing on Tuesdays when DVDs get released, you still need something - lots of somethings - for the rest of the week. I mean, it's pretty clear that most of the people who visit this site don't visit just once a week. So you have to keep us fed. And that means not everything is going to be reviews of new releases. Here we are now, entertain us!!

Posted by: MM at January 17, 2011 3:56 PM

Puh-JEE-buh.

Defy me at your peril.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at January 17, 2011 3:56 PM

Pajiba kicks ass. Found it a few months ago, was an avid aintitcool reader (and commenter) before. But nothiing is on par with the writing here. It's sharp, witty and astute and it has made me laugh many times. For me this has become THE geeksite to go to. But hey, Rowles, howsabout a Comics section?

Posted by: Man of Stool at January 17, 2011 3:57 PM

Keep it up lads.

I don't think anything can really be out of place here. The community is open minded enough to see a post that doesn't interest them, not click it, not kick up a fuss, and wait for something they want to have a chat about. It doesn't affect the overall vibe of the site.

Example, I don't read any of the television coverage at all, partly because I don't have a lot of time for TV, mostly because New Zealand is a lifetime behind most of the American Programming. We have four programming channels, plus three music channels. You can't fit both Modern Family AND Community in there (we ended up with Modern Family, eh.) I'm sure it's excellent writing as always, It's just not why I'm here. I came for movie related anythings (still the majority of content I'm pretty sure), but stayed for peripheral thought provoking articles about whatever passes through the minds of the staff, and the so, so rarely found effort of the commenting community to not look like crazy fools behind the anonymity of the internet.

As long as those stay, you can put anything else up you like, sir.
It's Pajiba, and for as long as I've been coming here, it's been a lot of one thing, and a little bit of everything else. Which is the right balance for me, anyway.

Posted by: The Only New Zealander at January 17, 2011 4:01 PM

Pajiba is my port in the cubicle storm.

The consistently high quality of the writing staggers me. Not only do you find exceptional talent, the volume and pace of the content creation is truly impressive. It’s been interesting to watch the site content expand and grow in new directions.

As an admittedly metaphorically Edwardian personage, I could do without Butthole Day, movie names as poop double-entendres, and the I’d hit thats that some of the posts descend into, but they are part of Pajiba and give the masthead statement regarding Grown Ups Talking a certain site-appropriate irony.

Lastly, I miss Kballs. Where is he?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:01 PM

Want more:

Movie coverage
Career assessments (sp? Too many ssss's? huh)
Snarking about Aniston/Kate Hudson/Matthew Mcconahahaha/et al
Dustin-written stuff (not apple polishing, I just like Dustin's um oeuvre)
Sex
Gael Garcia Bernal (redundant as have already mentioned sex. And oeuvres)

Want less:

Gaming stuff
Sports stuff
TV stuff (unless its a group grope mourning the lost greatness of Freaks and Geeks)
Stuff I don't like

Otherwise you are golden.

Posted by: klingonfree at January 17, 2011 4:02 PM

read it everyday--at least twice a day. been doing it since the beginning. there are a lot of pages i don't click on, and others i always read. also, there are certain writers, even if i don't have an interest in the review, that i will read because i like their style and point of view. not to do any ass-kissing, but you're one of them. keep up the good work, or better--keep "caring."

Posted by: maxpurr9 at January 17, 2011 4:04 PM

This site is laughably bad. Such is the nick "Man of Stool". Man of Tool, more like. Everything on this site is pretentious and pseudo-intellectual and probably written by fucking retarded nerds who live in their parents' basement. Off to the trash with ye!

Posted by: pullo at January 17, 2011 4:04 PM

I have been a loyal Pajiba reader since 2006ish and I have just now started to comment as commenting on this site is very intimidating, especially for a long-time lurker such as myself. If I recall correctly, I found Pajiba through Tvgasm which I haven’t read in years. That got me to thinking about all the other blogs and sites that I used to read every day (I have had a LOT of desk jobs with lackadaisical internet policies) and how I no longer read them and why I lost interest in them over time.

Pajiba has been a mainstay in my internet viewing for years and while I may not love or even read a few posts here and there, I still love it. It has evolved over time into something I enjoy reading every day and the new content and the new writers have added greatly to my enjoyment (this is saying a lot since I hate everything).

And Pajiba is also the only blog I read that I refuse to view on Google Reader. If you aren’t reading the comments to each post, you are greatly missing out on vast amounts of hilarity and insight from the most fantastically ridiculous misanthropes that have ever lived.

Posted by: Stacey at January 17, 2011 4:05 PM

btw: the "shush, grown ups are talking" is lame and annoying....

Posted by: maxpurr9 at January 17, 2011 4:06 PM

Good stuff, Dustin.

I like the odd mix of things. Not all of it interests me, but it's usually interesting enough (and always well written) to give a quick once over at the very least. I don't plan on going anywhere.

I do have one request regarding this:

Do I show Odette Yustman’s ass as a comment on Hollywood’s exploitation of it, or am I exploiting it myself?

Don't question this. There is no "why" or "why not", there is just "do", as in keep showing it. Miss Yustman's ass is transcendent. It's beyond our comprehension.

Just let this one go, man... Let it go.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at January 17, 2011 4:08 PM

Pajiba makes me laugh often, something I don't always get in my *real life*. Thank you writers and commenters alike for that.

So just keep it coming, okay?

Posted by: Jadine at January 17, 2011 4:08 PM

I found Pajiba a year ago, at a point when it was beginning to go through a lot of the changes you're talking about here. I fell in love. There were times when the site was going through some clunky phases or some of the slanted viewpoints felt forced. Then it hit its stride and hasn't stopped.

I feel like I've gotten to know almost each and every writer on the site, through their writing. Whether or not I agree with what you guys are saying, but I've learned to respect each and every one of the writer's here at Pajiba's opinions. Which is no easy task.

And of course the Eloquents, merry band of misfits that we might be. I've grown to anticipate certain people's viewpoints on different topics(What will AVB say abou that article, I wonder what Yossarian will say about this debate), or expect a random bit of nonsense from Kballs or Skitz. I think that out of every site I read on the internet, Pajiba has by far the most intelligent and interesting fanbase. Credit for that goes to you Rowles. I mean you made this thing and it somehow sucked us all in. Keep doing what feels right to you man. We'll keep reading.

Posted by: Blank at January 17, 2011 4:09 PM

I don't spend a ton of time on Pajiba because I have, like, a job and stuff. But when I do bother to click through from my RSS feed to the actual site to read an article and it's not a review for a movie/book I was considering seeing/reading, it's to read something completely unrelated to movies, e.g. the sports column, the sex column, nonsense about fonts, the rants of Courtney Enlow, etc. So while you may feel everything non-movie related might not be appropriate, it's really my favorite part of this place. Cheers.

Posted by: pxilated at January 17, 2011 4:11 PM

I personally love the state of Pajiba. I do wonder constantly if I'm cool enough to be here though. I scrutinize every comment I make for grammatical errors and for coolness and/or snarkiness. I worry the regulars will judge me for everything from my name (I used it on a whim 3 years ago but now I feel committed to it) to my lack of comic book knowledge so I refrain from saying anything on the subject.

But I still love checking in every day to see what's going on every day. I like feeling part of a community even though I'm a lurker 90% of the time. I don't know if this is the feedback you were looking for but here it is. And I'd like a little more television coverage if you don't mind.

Posted by: Austin asking for trouble at January 17, 2011 4:12 PM

This site is laughably bad. Such is the nick "Man of Stool". Man of Tool, more like. Everything on this site is pretentious and pseudo-intellectual and probably written by fucking retarded nerds who live in their parents' basement. Off to the trash with ye!

Posted by: pullo at January 17, 2011 4:04 PM

Less sports, more of this.

Posted by: coryo at January 17, 2011 4:23 PM

Oh Austin, none of use are cool enough and of course you are going to be judged. It's what we do, but mostly we don't. The only people who get leaped on from a great height are the ones who have it coming. Anyone else who has to sink to grammar and snarkiness pot shots is usually disemboweled pretty quickly.

What the lurkers need to remember and what you must suspect is that a lot of the commenters (myself so totally included) are posting to hear ourselves talk. Join the chorus.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:23 PM

I love that I'm in the minority...and actually KNOW how to pronounce the name of this site correctly.

Of course, I only know that because I was fortunate enough to be corrected by Dustin himself. On a conference call. In front of my boss.

Keep up the great work. Pajiba is my favorite time-waster at work. Take that Twitter.

Posted by: Tarable at January 17, 2011 4:25 PM

Don't question this. There is no "why" or "why not", there is just "do", as in keep showing it. Miss Yustman's ass is transcendent. It's beyond our comprehension.

Just let this one go, man... Let it go.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at January 17, 2011 4:08 PM

This I can also live with.

Posted by: coryo at January 17, 2011 4:25 PM

I wanna give you a hug for that hear ourselves talk line Mrs. Julien. A big ole hug.

Posted by: Blank at January 17, 2011 4:26 PM

Long live Pajiba!

Posted by: Linda at January 17, 2011 4:27 PM

Miss Yustman's ass is transcendent. It's beyond our comprehension.

See also: Christina Hendricks' breasts.

Posted by: MM at January 17, 2011 4:29 PM

Uh oh. Another troll on the loose. I shall restrain myself...for now.

Posted by: Jadine at January 17, 2011 4:34 PM

Could someone please Titus pullo?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:37 PM

Nothing to complain about here, do what you think is best for the site DR.
Also:
Why don´t Hollywood make movies and sitcoms as funny as the comment-section!

Gonna start clicking some ads from now on.

All the love from Sweden.

Posted by: UncleKaiser at January 17, 2011 4:40 PM

I found Pajiba a few months ago, and almost immediately fell in love. I have thus far refrained from commenting because I did not have confidence that anything I had to say had not already been posted by a more weathered Pajiban with a better sense of humor and general flair. Maybe I'm getting over that.

Anyhow, just wanted to say I really appreciate that you ask yourself those questions, Mr. Rowles. I think that as long as you (and the reader) are aware of the strange dichotomies that present themselves because of the variety of subjects and contributors, there's little to no harm in posting Odette Yustman's ass. Or Timothy Olyphant....mmm. I am human, after all.

Posted by: Ajoy at January 17, 2011 4:42 PM

So I just clicked the Netflix ad and the page wouldn't load. Only in the name of Pajiba would I click a godforsaken ad and then it won't load.

Posted by: Jadine at January 17, 2011 4:45 PM

oh, and, I think Jason Harris is fanTAStic.

Posted by: Ajoy at January 17, 2011 4:46 PM

I like this place and most of you. Except you. Yeah, you know who you are. :)

I kid. My question is what exactly happened with Boozehound finishing the coverage of The Pacific?

Posted by: Melody at January 17, 2011 4:48 PM

... a lot of the commenters ... are posting to hear ourselves talk...

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:23 PM

I'll have you know my mouth doesn't move when I read my own posts, nor do I practice saying them in front of the mirror before I hit "Post Comment".

I do email them to my editor, my 11th grade AP English teacher, and Howard Hesseman for positive feed back before I post. I then hit refresh 6,000.00 times a day to re-read what I wrote.

BUT I DO NOT EVER READ THEM OUT LOUD. (Ok, sometimes I tell my wife to come over and read my hilarious post out loud, but I don't read them out loud myself, so there.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 17, 2011 4:48 PM

I love the site, but the fluff to good stuff ratio has slipped, in my opinion. My rss reader is constantly stuffed with pajiba... Maybe I'm an atypical reader, but I don't comment and I don't read much of the non-review stuff. I would really appreciate a separate rss feed for the more substantial stuff like reviews and features only.

Posted by: Max at January 17, 2011 4:49 PM

If you have complaints or grievances, here’s where you air them.

Well, for starters, there isn't nearly enough panda related content. I can't save them on my own, people.

Aside from that I still love it here and the direction it's going in. Even though I don't comment as much as I used to, I'm still here lurkadurking and refreshing like a fiend.

There are things I miss, like Hangover Theater and Prisco's RTRs. My goodness, there is just something beautiful in unleashing that man on a movie we all know is terrible or reading his take on why something may be bad yet extremely entertaining when your head's still swimming from the night before and you're cradling a bottle of Gatorade like a newborn. But things change and evolve and, so far, I've been pleased with the road they've taken (This is your #1 priority, right? To please me, just me? Then thumbs up!) I love the trade news dressed up as lists, Michael Murray's posts, Courtney, JoRo, Prisco's indie reviews, torturing TK with Lifetime movies, and everything else for that matter. You're golden in my book, Pajiba. Keep it up.

(And I just want to sneak this in really quick: I bet a Pajiba podcast would be really cool and hilarious.)

Posted by: jM at January 17, 2011 4:49 PM

Oy, if it wasn't for pullo, this would be a real nice comment section. Pajibans, act!

Posted by: Man of Stool at January 17, 2011 4:50 PM

L.O.V.E.

I don't read them aloud either, but the voice in my head is really shrill. The bitch will NOT shut up!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:54 PM

L.O.V.E.

I'm surprised you are able to track down Hesseman. I thought the Phone Cops had him in an undisclosed location.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 4:56 PM

Oh behave yourself, pullo. This isn't Perez Hilton.

Posted by: Jadine at January 17, 2011 4:56 PM

To follow up on what jM said, I have a GREAT candidate for a RTR. Beer for my Horses. OH YES. It's on Netflix Instant and is gloriously bad. I may or may not have been sober when I thought watching it was a grand idea.

Posted by: Melody at January 17, 2011 4:57 PM

Let's pretend I just smacked you on the butt, Dustin. Not in a sexual way, but like we're a couple of football players.

And I don't mind a little sexual objectification once in a while as long as someone objectifies me as well once in a while. I get my fix in that on Facebook.

Posted by: pickled tink at January 17, 2011 4:59 PM

I thought we did Feats of Strength before the Airing of Grievances.

Posted by: Codeman at January 17, 2011 5:02 PM

You know what pickled tink might be on to something. Sneak pictures of the eloquents into those wierd little libido posts you do. It'll be fun!

Posted by: Blank at January 17, 2011 5:04 PM

pullo mi culo.

Mrs. Julien, go to Kansas. You will find him there.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 17, 2011 5:05 PM

Why is Jason Harris writing about his divorce?

Seriously, why did that happen? If it doesn't have anything to do with reviews or people involved with the things being reviewed (actors, directors, authors, etc.) I always find myself wandering why it is on this site. But that divorce post left me scratching my head more than anything I've read on this site.

Posted by: pissant at January 17, 2011 5:05 PM

@coryo:

FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!
YOU SUCKITY SUCK SUCK SUCK!

Posted by: pullo at January 17, 2011 4:27 PM

I've never been fucked before. I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Posted by: coryo at January 17, 2011 5:06 PM

You know how I feel.

[unbuttons top button of shirt]

Or you will soon enough.

Posted by: superasente at January 17, 2011 5:07 PM

Pullo's comment deleted in 10, 9, 8, 7...

Posted by: superasente at January 17, 2011 5:08 PM

Don't let anybody bully you out of posting trade news. To me, this site has always been about people as interested and obsessed with films and TV as I am, and that means wanting to know what we have to look forward to and what choices are going down in the current state of Hollywood.

The new tag is a little apologetic, but ok. I can deal with being appropriately scathing and justifiably bitchy.

Posted by: valerie at January 17, 2011 5:08 PM

I tend to become enamored of a site, pour over it obsessively for weeks or months, Then tire of it. Not Pajiba. I love it all, even the sports articles (I have no interest in sports). The only thing I want is more content. As a SAHM witha brain that rarely gets taxed, I am desperate for funny, though provoking content, and Pajiba is generally where I find it. I would love more TV reviews/recaps. I love the movie stuff, but it will still be a few more years before I get out to go to the movies more than once every 6 months. Figgy's PR recaps were excellent! Expand on those!

Posted by: McSquish at January 17, 2011 5:09 PM

I want more Real Time reviews by TK.

Posted by: TWoP_Fan at January 17, 2011 5:09 PM

I too miss Hangover Theater

Posted by: Stacey at January 17, 2011 5:14 PM

Yep, TK is great.

Posted by: Man of Stool at January 17, 2011 5:15 PM

There's a local independent radio station near me (WPKN-89.5) whose slogan is "Some stuff I like-Some stuff I don't like". I think of Pajiba like this. Although there's very little here I don't like. The commenters are light years above most of the intertubes (Although they could do a little worse on QRANK and I wouldn't complain) and the reviews are excellent. Good work, and by all means keep search for preternaturally attractive T&A for both genders! Wait can you have T for both genders? For beefcake is it A&A? Oh well, just scantily dressed pretty people will do. Thanks.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at January 17, 2011 5:20 PM

Watching the site evolve has been, in itself, something interesting and entertaining to watch. And I'm glad I can occasionally think up something interesting to write.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at January 17, 2011 5:22 PM

" posting to hear ourselves talk"

Yay, us!! We rule! We suck!

Also want to add that i LOVE the posts that express the I'd Hit That sentiment, becuase that's where my head is at (tee hee) much of the workday anyway. And them men in this office are nigh-unfuckable. Here to tell ya...

Posted by: klingonfree at January 17, 2011 5:22 PM

I'm not offended by pullo because I have no clue what it said. Something about retarded and nerds and basements, all terribly original, but I was stuck on "Man of Stool." What does that mean? I like to think it means Dustin is the Superman of poo.

Posted by: Courtney at January 17, 2011 5:25 PM

I have been a visitor and occasional commenter here since the Dark Ages of Pajiba, the time before Homeland Security stopped by to fuck things up. I remember grieving the loss of Arrested Development and Dustin's rant titled "Middle America's Development is Arrested" stuck with me, even though I am a Midwesterner myself. I love this site and all the insanity that comes along with it. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: schrome at January 17, 2011 5:27 PM

Steady the course, Captain Rowles. The site is right on track for what it should be.

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2011 5:30 PM

I remember grieving the loss of Arrested Development and Dustin's rant titled "Middle America's Development is Arrested" stuck with me

Wait. That's one of the things that got lost??? Aw, man. I liked that post!! And the resulting commenter explosion.

Posted by: vdo86 at January 17, 2011 5:30 PM

Yay, us!! We rule! We suck!
Posted by: klingonfree at January 17, 2011 5:22 PM

Get out of my head woman!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 17, 2011 5:31 PM


i had hoped to find more constructive suggestions on what could
be added to improve the site. funny thing is that i don't have any
either. it is an entertaining and intelligent diversion. dustin sets the tone for the crew of fine writers and keep up the good work. i hope the commercial viability is on the improve and would like to hear more about that. how can your readers help ?

Posted by: snake at January 17, 2011 5:33 PM

I trust the writers, and I trust the site. The producers could have Prisco carried into a theatre on a velvet litter borne by maple-glazed virgins in bikinis who proceed to feed him gold-gilt grapes for the entire screening, and I would still trust him to rip the film a new one were it so deserved. So while I appreciate your "no freebies" policy, and I admire it, I am more than fine with the writers getting some screenings without forking out their own dough.

My one request would be for more Guides, more often. When I was on hiatus, I hit the site for some film recommendations, and there hadn't been a Guide for so long, I was left to find something on my own. (Ugh. That's, like, work and stuff).

Dustin's Professional Ladywife: you should be proud of him, for realz.

Posted by: Lauren at January 17, 2011 5:34 PM

Dustin, do what you and the staff think is right for the site. You'll quickly figure out what's working (or not). If, for example, a weekly column is only getting a handful of comments after a couple of months, chances are nobodies interested.

I have Pajiba open all day, and come back to the sight throughout the day to see what's new, both as far as posts and comments. Since I have AdBlock Plus installed on all my browsers, I don't see any ads, so no clicky no money. However, I value this site enough that if you wanted to set up a PayPal tip jar like Chez has at Deus Ex Malcontent, I'd be more than happy to throw some dollars Pajibas way every month.

Posted by: Groundloop at January 17, 2011 5:36 PM

Nicely put, Dustin. I've been a Pajiba reader from its fairly early days and continue to check in regularly. I find the filler/frivolous stuff funny and harmless, though I would like to see things more focused on movies. But whatever - even as some ads have become more prominent, or you've had to make certain things more broadly appealing, or whatever, you're still doing a great job. Through all the changes over the years, I can tell that the heart of Pajiba has stayed true. And that's awesome.

Posted by: b at January 17, 2011 5:37 PM

I sonofabitching just lost my long-winded post! I know you're all, all of yous, pleased to hear it. Anyway, I'm pretty certain I came upon Pajiba (in a scarily similar fashion to Stacey) in 2005/6 or so, through TVgasm, which I no longer frequent. At that point in my life, stuck in a Los Angeles cubicle, full of angst and miserably lonely, this site was one of the few, if only things preventing me from all Zangief on the city and donkey punching the ever-loving crap out of the rich, douche-fuck hipsters I went to school with, and the stuffy, middle-aged douche-fuck yuppies I worked with. I had completely lost all hope that a race of intelligent, humorous individuals even existed at that point, and was ready to shave my hair off and hide in the woods.

I'm still a bit nervous to post anything, even after all of these years, as I rarely come in contact with people that can formulate a fucking thought, let alone compose a brilliant and acerbic post. But so far no one has told me to go fuck myself, so I feel pretty ok with things. I am relieved to know that there are people out there that are not full of suck; people who are actually effin hysterical (even if, you know, their opinions differ from my own and they're just plain wrong). One of these days I just might strap on a pair of boxing gloves and go apeshit on some bitchy,botoxed cougar, but for now, I'm content with doing it the Pajiba way.

Posted by: beet salad at January 17, 2011 5:39 PM

Oh, and on the Odette butt thing - I consider myself a feminist, but (hee!) whenever I see it used to helm a post, I smile and think to mysefl, "THAR SHE BLOWS!"

To me, it's being used in an ironic fashion to highlight the riDONKulousness of the Hollywood machine, so it doesn't not come across as objectifying (in a negative sense).

Posted by: Lauren at January 17, 2011 5:40 PM

Oh yeah and you wanna make a little cash? Make a damn shirt. I would rock that shit with pride, but don't put the .com on it cause then all the dicks that see how awesome I look in my pajiba shirt would wanna come here and stink up the place with their bad grammar and love of Michael Bay. Screw them.

Posted by: Blank at January 17, 2011 5:40 PM

Dang, I've been forgetting to play Qrank! Thanks for reminding me Mrcreosote.

OK, love the site. I too am reading less, but I'm also working more, (and trying to keep up with my CBR-III reading/reviews), so I might just be trying to be a smidgeon more productive in life.

Keep it real and we're good.

Cuddles.

Posted by: Mrs Smith at January 17, 2011 5:42 PM

Also, I'll stop writing about Snooki when you pry her from my cold, dead hands. Did you see the end of The Ring? It's just like that, only with more Valtrex. I have to share the horror or it will kill me with its terrifying face and stringy hair.

Posted by: Courtney at January 17, 2011 5:43 PM

Shirt=great idea. I would by one (or three) for sure.

Posted by: Jadine at January 17, 2011 5:44 PM

I almost never read anything that looks like it might be a book review. I have no problem with books, but I don't really want to read about books here. The book reviews don't bother me, though, I just ignore them. Similarly, I rarely read any column related to sports or music.

I don't care about trade news. Hollywood: don't tell me what you're planning on doing, just do it and then get back to us.

You could also ditch that "Eloquent" stuff and I wouldn't miss it at all. Now, if you wanted to do a "Best of Skitz" or "Best of Pookie" or "Best of Kballs" (I think you have done one of those at some point), I would be tempted to read those. But most of the "eloquence" featured in that weekly round-up you do is not particularly eloquent or funny.

I do enjoy the occasional "tell us your tale of woe" (work woe, love woe, kid woe, family woe, etc.) posts. Those, and the comments they inspire, are pretty entertaining.

Posted by: Slash at January 17, 2011 5:53 PM

i love this site. you guys are doing a great job.

Posted by: splinter at January 17, 2011 5:54 PM

i had hoped to find more constructive suggestions on what could
be added to improve the site. funny thing is that i don't have any
either.

I've got one.

Color-code your content. If you scroll down the screen at the wee boxes that have all the goodies in them, they're all "Blue Title Words w/ clever black subtext." Why not do reviews in Red Title Words, and random blog posts in Green Title Words. Or something similar. That way we know what we're getting into. We can quickly scroll down for something red if we're looking for something red/blue/green/purple. Whatever. Albino. Flesh-tone for the sex stuff. Chocolate for Pajiba Love.

As you add more and more content, it couldn't hurt to find a way to visually organize it.

Posted by: superasente at January 17, 2011 6:01 PM

Well, hello, sir.
I honestly don't have anything to complain about, and I don't have any kvetchy gripes or nit-picky comments. I just want to say this: I appreciate the range and volume of the posts, and while I sometimes think, "OK, where's the bitchy review to make me laugh THIS week?" I think the site wouldn't be worth as much if you took away all the other stuff. If anyone didn't like Jason's post about his divorce, then... fuck them. Seriously. Didn't like it? Tough. You didn't have to read it. No one forced you to click any any particular link. Like... I don't always read the Pajiba debates (not that I don't care what you people think, it's just... man, I have a JOB), but, again: I don't have to. I have Pajiba in my toolbar, and I click over once, twice a day, just to see what's going on. If I'm on the fence about a film I want to see, I read your reviews first.
So -- Jesus. It sounds like I want to make out with Pajiba or something (and maybe I do).
Just.... keep doing this.
Thanks.

Posted by: Tira at January 17, 2011 6:02 PM

I love how this place makes me feel like I'm a part of something amazing. At any moment, we can be called to roll out and defend our strange fetishes, likes of obscure films, music, and love for late 80s sitcom stars. We laugh, we argue, we discuss, and if the opportunity arises, we can even ban together to do great and powerful things.

If this site were simply about movies, and didn't involve any of the other fun and quirky articles, lists and link dumps, it would be just the same any other site out there, but it isn't. It great the way it is, and it continues to get better as it grows. It is singular and awesome in the company of lesser websites.

THIS! IS! PAJIBA!

*and then she kicks a Persian into a well with her dainty, gladiator-sandal clad foot*

Posted by: ZombieNurse at January 17, 2011 6:05 PM

I love Pa-hee-bah (oh, I know how you think it's pronounced but really, doesn't the majority rule?)! I click what looks good and skip what doesn't appeal to me. But then I go back and read it anyway 'cause the comments are worth it, even if the column wasn't (and it usually is). My only wish is that I could have more time to read the site, Pajiban's are a prolific bunch.

Posted by: Eyvi at January 17, 2011 6:06 PM

This place is a boiling hot mess. It's all over the place. The writers are weird. The overlords are fickle. And the posters? Sometimes reading the posts in these threads is like that scene from Silence of the Lambs where Clarice Starling is walking through the prison and getting catcalled by all the prisoners, only to finally get a load of spooge in the face.

In short: Wouldn't change a thing. Just mop up the spooge every once in awhile. It's gross. I mean, who raised you?

Posted by: greer at January 17, 2011 6:18 PM

I think Pajiba should send me cookies.

Posted by: Anna von Beav at January 17, 2011 6:21 PM

@AvB

Godtopus-shaped cookies, yes? I bet it wouldn't be too hard to get/make a Godtopus cookie cutter. :)

Posted by: MM at January 17, 2011 6:24 PM

I have read and loved this site for years - it evolution is imaginative and rewarding - I rely on the film reviews and you have saved me dollars and precious hours - I always trust them

Posted by: mbolton at January 17, 2011 6:25 PM

I have been following this site FOR YEARS. (Is that sad? I don't know.) I used to comment as "Invah" which is probably irrelevant since I post extremely irregularly.

I've unsubscribed twice - mainly due to the sheer number of articles you publish in a day - and caved each time because there simply is no substitute. It wasn't you, Pajeeba, it was me; I've since evolved in my ability to pimp the reader and quickly filter which articles to read and which to skip.

Another reason I backed off related to the reviews of movies that I was excited about. Turns out that reading the reviews BEFORE seeing these movies completely inhibited my enjoyment of them, Did the movie truly lack awesomeness, or was I prejudiced by the view of the reviewer? Perhaps it was the ongoing analysis happening through the film as I was making mental references to the review taking me 'out' of experiencing film?

I finally stopped reading reviews in advance of movies I am psyched to see, so that was on me. (For example, I will not be reading your review of "Priest" until AFTER I see it because I have hope.)

However, reading emphatic reviews of movies that I was 'eh' about has encouraged me to see movies I would have otherwise skipped (a la "Easy A").

I have never been specifically interested in 'movie' blogs and it was purely by accident and boredom that I stumbled into this little patch of the internets. Not to say that I haven't been traumatized by you; I can never scrub my brain of the "Human Centipede" trailer and I consider the review of "Serbian Film" to be one of the most important, though disturbing, things I have ever read. Thankfully you offset this with copious amounts of praise for Christina Hendricks -and as a DDD cup woman myself, I am triply appreciative - as well vitriol for the clueless of our society.

I also love that you take geeks and geek culture seriously. (So seriously that your review of "Caprica" talked me into watching that show even though I was never interested in BSG.) And Steven's recent article on Science Fiction was heaven, so much so that I took the bother of looking to see who the author was.

So basically, I love the Pajeeba but I am not 'in' the community which is ok because I can lurk until I'm sufficiently motivated to post a long winded comment that no one reads and then return to stealth mode.

Long live the Pajeeba. Live long and prosper.

Posted by: Hayden Tompkins at January 17, 2011 6:40 PM

I'm coo, other than some of the commenters blowjobbing one another in the comments.

But I've got no arg with the ship of state.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at January 17, 2011 6:41 PM

Never mind. Make that what @ZombieNurse said!

Posted by: Hayden Tompkins at January 17, 2011 6:43 PM

Don’t get too consumed with the spooge, greer. The spooge is nothing more than a byproduct of what we do here.

Posted by: Pookie at January 17, 2011 6:44 PM

Peace and Long Life, Hayden.

Posted by: Rykker at January 17, 2011 6:45 PM

And what @idiosynchronic said.

So true.

Posted by: Hayden Tompkins at January 17, 2011 6:46 PM

idiosynchronic, I don't give blowies. Not even to myself. Not for lack of trying. It's just that I have the flexibility of Cloris Leachman on Dancing With the "Stars". And I am not the Hedgehog.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 17, 2011 6:52 PM

As long as the site retains its intelligent, but irreverent sensibilities, I think you can add whatever you want and it'll work.

Posted by: Fredo at January 17, 2011 6:56 PM

Hi there. I have been reading Pajiba faithfully for about four years now, although I've never commented. I think I found it while reading TK's blog (which I found from Burt Reynold's Mustache) and have been hooked from the first post I read.

I love the site and it is a part of my daily routine (what this says about me I don't know). I always enjoyed the film reviews, but I also love the new post categories that you have added. Of course, I get just as much entertainment from reading the comments as I do from the posts!

Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for doing such a great job and I hope the site continues to be successful!

P.S. Sorry there is neither snark nor bitchy in this comment - maybe next time!

Posted by: Lanfear at January 17, 2011 6:56 PM

Can I just add my never-ending love and affection for Pajiba to the pile?

Posted by: Jami at January 17, 2011 7:18 PM

I too come here everyday. Don't change a thing, it's all perfect just the way it is.

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at January 17, 2011 7:23 PM

My boyfriend (at the time) turned me onto Pajiba about five years ago and I've been addicted to it ever since. Although we broke up and I banished anything that reminded me of him, I kept up with Pajiba because it's just that good. Back in the day, Pajiba and Quizlaw were the two sites I would climb out of bed and read. I'm happy that Pajiba has come so far and is still just as awesome and hilarious as the first time I read it.

I know how Pajiba is supposed to be pronounced but I just don't like it that way. And it doesn't really rhyme with vagina, so I favor the Puh-JEE-buh pronounciation. No one can pronounce my last name, not even some of my family members or closest friends, they just say it how they think it should sound. That's my approach here.

I lurk mostly because I don't really know what to say that would be substantive. Or if I come up with something, it's already been said and it's way funnier than what I could produce. Oh well.

In summary: Pajiba is tits.

Posted by: Monica at January 17, 2011 7:24 PM

I'm a new commenter, I've been visiting the site for a few months now, and I'm loving what I see. Please don't change anything. I'd hate to have to fall in love with you guys again!

Posted by: Whalen at January 17, 2011 7:28 PM

I think I've been here for a good five years or so, and have no plans to go anywhere. It's nice that some days I can read (or take part in) an interesting debate, and some days I can overuse "butthole." Pajiba is the perfect procrastination tool -- smart enough to make me feel productive, but silly enough that it doesn't feel like more work.

Posted by: esme at January 17, 2011 7:44 PM

Hola,

I actually found this site while searching for alt porn. I stuck around despite the lack of actual pa-jay-jay. I have been a daily reader for 5 years and a very occasional commenter. The spirit of the site keeps me coming (awwwww yeah).

I like the added kooky stuff, it gives us something fun to talk about and gives great context for filtering the individual reviews.

I think as long as the sports/sex/debate/libido reconditioning posts do not become as frequent as the movie/show/book reviews (perhaps a 1:3 total content ratio?) you will be A-OK.

Gracias,
--DP

Posted by: Donut Plains at January 17, 2011 7:47 PM

I've loved Pajiba for a long time, now, and, as much as I do love the reviews and stuff, it's the community that keeps me coming back. Eloquents FO LIFE!!!

And I still hold out hope for tracer bullet's marriage, too. Keep us posted on the haps, tracer. And did I miss any updates on dammitjanet's niece? I still don't know what's happened.

I may not read every post, but I try to keep up with most of it.

And special madd propz to tamatha for taking on this year's Cannonball Read. She's doing a superb job, and I think I speak for all Cannonballers when I say that Tamatha is the BOMB-DIGGITY.

Posted by: Jelinas at January 17, 2011 7:49 PM

Nota benne --

I think a 1:3 ratio is asking a lot. Maybe 1:2? 1:1.5? I will be counting, Mr. Rowles. Knowing how happy this site makes me I won't actually complain, but it will give me something to do on the train.

Also, VELVEETA IS THE GREASY HAIR ON THE WART ON THE ANUS OF LIFE. I just needed to say that.

Gracias otra vez,
--DP

Posted by: Donut Plains at January 17, 2011 7:49 PM

I've been reading this site since... '04? Like someone else mentioned, I'm the kind of person that obsesses over and entirely absorbs a site over a few months, then gets bored. I think one of the reasons I haven't gotten bored with Pajiba is posts like this: you're constantly looking for ways to innovate and improve.

I wish I commented more; I feel like I'm a part of this community but I rarely contribute to the community. I love it here, though!

Posted by: The Internet Magpie at January 17, 2011 8:27 PM

I have commented here once, but rest assured, I lurk here EVERY SINGLE DAY. My husband is forever hearing what Pajibans have to say about everything.

This site has a bookmark tab at the top of my computer screen. I don't know how to help promote this site any more than by what I'm doing already. But, great work, great articles, love the comments, even the ones I disagree with.

Thanks for being here.

Posted by: Elle Jae at January 17, 2011 8:34 PM

Reasons for my continual (yet rarely commented) presence:

Dustin

T.K.

Intern R-nevermind.

I picture Cindy Davis as Tilda, minus the effacious snark. More ball-slap bitchbrew.

Relentless Twi-hard insulting. (It's easy, but do you do it oh-so-well.)

Godtopus demands it, and I am His prophet.

Posted by: WhiskeyClown at January 17, 2011 8:37 PM

I don't think Rowles would feel comfortable charging us a monthly fee to visit and participate in his website. Besides, if I'm asked to pay, well then Rowles would have to provide a more "adult" setting that would cater to a select few. Kinda like a tiered membership.

Posted by: Pookie at January 17, 2011 8:43 PM

I think you're doing just fine.

When I started my ladyblog, Pajiba was a huge influence on how we went about things. You've got an amazing group of regulars, and that doesn't come easy. I admire this site for not taking shortcuts, for not feeding the LCD and for continuing to stand in the corner of the internet giving everyone else the finger.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Ophelia at January 17, 2011 8:46 PM

Late to the party, but just wanted to add to the Pajiba love. For those who don't like change: Pajiba is dead, long live Pajiba!

re: a Pajiba book: Blurb is good enough for Andrew Sullivan. I printed my NaNoWriMo book through them (just to have a copy) and it was pretty easy to create.

Posted by: RobP at January 17, 2011 8:46 PM

"And I am not the Hedgehog."

I am the eggman. Goo goo goo joob.

Posted by: klingonfree at January 17, 2011 8:53 PM

Well, you just gained another follower/reader because of your sincerity in how you run this site. There aren't many, if any at all, sites that make you, us the reader, feel personally connected to them, and although I haven't been here for longer than the time it took me to read this post, I feel like I have walked in on a block party.

As long as you maintain this sense of humility and personality, I'll be sticking around!

Posted by: Dan (Truth On Cinema) at January 17, 2011 8:56 PM

I was lured in by a Lindsey Lohan ad you had on Go Fug Yourself. When was that, 2004? 2005?

What can I say, you had me at "firecrotch".

Even though I lurked for a ridiculously long time, I've always liked the genuine sense of community here. There are some columns that I could do without, but it's easy to skip over the stuff I don't necessarily care to read. I've backed away from the site a few times, but that's been mostly due to being overwhelmed by the sheer amount of posting. I'm simple like that.

Posted by: nosio at January 17, 2011 9:09 PM

Oh, and getting friend requests from Eloquents on facebook had me geeking out hardcore. You guys are so much cooler than my Craigslist Casual Encounters facebook friends!

Posted by: nosio at January 17, 2011 9:13 PM

All I want is more funny comments to put in the EE every week.

And more HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMM.

On a more serious note: I think what makes this place so damn good is that there's such a wide variety of posts that you'll always find something to comment on. Almost all posts get a conversation going. There's something for everyone, I think, and the community will accept just about everyone.

I'd also like more TV reviews--personally, I can't wait to get back to doing PR when it comes back.

And I *love* Courtney Enlow. Never, ever let her go, DR.

One more thing: MORE SHIRTS.

Posted by: Figgy at January 17, 2011 9:14 PM

I haven't been reading as much as I'd like (stupid work), but I've been excited to see more sorts of things happening for me to read when I can. As long as the core reviews are still there and still at a high level (which I think they are), I think it's great to have other things going on, and precisely because Pajiba became a community and not just a review site. And I think it makes sense to at least try to create a space for debates and such, so that it's not all crammed in to the comments (especially since it was happening in the comments anyway).

My one totally selfish request would be to give "Storytellers" a tab of its own. (Unless it has its own tab that I haven't been clever enough to find, in which case you should just ignore that bit.)

Posted by: elisamaza at January 17, 2011 9:24 PM

Been lurking a long time and just started posting more frequently, recently (and then less so because real life has a way of interfering with the fun, dammit), yadda, yadda, yadda and I just have to say that this site and the commenters are un-fucking-believable (in a good way, if there is such a thing) and the only thing I would suggest is no more Human Centipede posts (because, Rowles, really, that shit is old and played out) and I want to second the podcasts suggestion because, man, I would so download that shit. Maybe start with podcasts for movie reviews only at first and then expand to round table discussions about, I don't know, cool shit, after?

I think it'd also be nice to have some sort of officially comment posting system and also agree with the organizing of content in a different way.

Let's see, what else? Oh, yeah, more posts with hot men (I appreciate the posts on hot womens and boobs as much as the next lady but I want the menz).

That is all.

Posted by: Slappysquirrel at January 17, 2011 9:46 PM

Just tossing some more love into the ring. Pajiba has become so much more than a website over the years and that's why I keep coming back. Keep on keepin' on.

My only gripe would be that I miss the old tagline but I'm kind of clingy like that.

Posted by: AbbyNormal at January 17, 2011 9:46 PM

i've been joyously wasting time here daily since just before the Homeland Security debacle and can honestly say that i have no problems with the direction the site has taken over the years.

there was, however, a time when i gave up commenting all together because i was getting annoyed that the high school level clique-y inside joke commenting had spilled over from Pajiba Love in to the other posts where i would have preferred the discourse remain on-topic, but that also seemed to be a period when there was a jump in new commenters and i guess they didn't know the rules yet.

this was also around the time that this site was going through its asinine "Godtopus" and "squ**" phase, so that might have had something to do with it, too.

either way, the ship seems to have (thankfully) righted.

i do miss Ranylt's reviews (aside from them being spot-on reviews it was always fun to see how long it would take for someone to bitch about her writing being difficult to understand, what with all them big words she used) and also Beckyloo's short-lived Pop Politics posts.

Posted by: causaubon at January 17, 2011 10:04 PM

As an infrequent commenter, I'd like to say that I love the way that this site tends to be virulent about the movies it finds awful and adorably in love with the movies that the reviewers like. Though I don't tend to have time to read much else on the site, I've been reading the movie reviews since midway through high school.

Posted by: Ruby at January 17, 2011 10:17 PM

I thought TK was going to cover the Ronnie and Sammie wedding, or possibly the Bieber nups. Bieber Nups by the way is a great name for a band. Or a breakfast cereal.

Posted by: mrcreosote at January 17, 2011 10:21 PM

Mmmmmm...Bieber Nups. They taste like sugarcoated preteen tears.

Posted by: nosio at January 17, 2011 10:28 PM

I love you, you're perfect, now don't change (much).

Posted by: , at January 17, 2011 10:34 PM

Also, yes on the T-shirts, Dustin. It's like that bear in the hat said:

Only you . . . can prevent naked boobies.

Posted by: Lauren at January 17, 2011 10:39 PM

Let me put it this way: I do not watch crap like the Golden Globes Awrads, but reading Courtney's liveblog of the show last night, and all the comments from you crazy motherfokkers, was so much better. And Cindy's Sunday Drive diversion, Joanna's Love, it's all great stuf. Oh, and the reviews aren't bad either.

The Beatles said it best: Why Don't We Do It In The Road? Let It Be.

Posted by: Uriah Creep at January 17, 2011 10:42 PM

I don't comment as much as I could or maybe even should, but I've consistently gone to Pajiba at least 3x a day, every day, since I was early in college. And that was sometime around '04 or '05. I forget how I got here; maybe a link off wwtdd, or from collegehumor. But I thought it was wonderful. So many reviews are simply lapping at the feet of studio bigwigs, or rolling around in the miasma of elitism. Pajiba certainly can feel elitist at times; it's inescapable when you've got a group of intelligent and passionate people so focused on one aspect of culture- but it's ALWAYS honest. With 1 or 2 exceptions, there is no site that I've come to as regularly as Pajiba. If there's another 'con being held I think this is the year I go to it. I've been reading everyone's work for too long not to find time to say thanks, maybe buy a round, and shoot the shit.

So....thanks. I think the site is evolving in a natural manner. And I hope it brings you continued success- but try to keep wifey happy!

Posted by: Ryanh at January 17, 2011 10:54 PM

If you're still reading, Dustin, I applaud your efforts, your site and your contributors. I can honestly say my day is complete only when I've scoped out Pajiba's cultural radar.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: kootenay girl at January 17, 2011 11:07 PM

“miasma of elitism”

This fucking guy let me tell you, he’s going to be more trouble than he’s worth.

Posted by: Pookie at January 17, 2011 11:19 PM

I think the tshirt idea is a good one. Regular Pajibans can buy them and we can develop a secret system (like how Jeep drivers have to honk at each other), only it would be a special Pajiba thing, like something Pajibans are known for...like...like..

Um, you know? Just forget I said anything.

Posted by: malechai at January 17, 2011 11:23 PM

You keep keep giving Prisco and TK the keys to liquor cabinet and plop them down in front of Netflix instant/syfy channel and I'll keep reading religiously.

So I guess add my name to the list of people who really miss Hangover Theater. If Brians liver just isn't what it used to be, I volunteer to do the drinking if Prisco does the reviewing.

Posted by: Lennon at January 18, 2011 12:17 AM

I want more Drew Morton and I like the sports column!

I love this place enough to smash it into my bounteous bosoms forever.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at January 18, 2011 12:37 AM

It was short-lived, but I liked the Pajiba movie club. The few that happened were awesome and sparked great discussion.

I read this damn site way more than I should during my work day, and have met (or spoken with) some amazing people through here. I adore it.

As far as content, I'm generally willing to bounce along with the site's direction, but if it ever REALLY goes off the rails, you'll be hearing from me. I'll be the one with the angry growl and the ice pick.

Posted by: MyySharona at January 18, 2011 12:58 AM

Came here from Go Fug Yourself also, and have actually stopped reading that altogether now. It's been a few years, and very few comments, but I've enjoyed lurking and still feel a part of it all (cause I often feel like you're reading my brain and I don't need to repeat it).

Love the reviews, the Love, the SRLs and all the television stuff. Love the Dirty Talk, not a fan of sports...

Enjoying the golden days of Pajiba :) (pa-jee-ba to me, pa-jai-ba to you)

Posted by: Gilligiggle at January 18, 2011 1:01 AM

I love this place enough to smash it into my bounteous bosoms forever.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at January 18, 2011 12:37 AM


YESSSSSS! ME TOO!

Posted by: Monica at January 18, 2011 1:22 AM

wait- you guys still review movies?

you may not sell out for junkets and such, but you've sold out for a smug/entitled sense of snark.

Posted by: iusedtovisit at January 18, 2011 1:37 AM

Dustin, I'm sure you won't get way down here until February, but I love this. You really out yourself out there. This site is unique, and wonderful, and seriously, I want to thank you for it.

Don't over think this. Reviews are the focus of the site. Whatever window dressing you need to use to get more folks in the door won't matter, so long as the reviews are still honest. It's been a while since I was able to read EVERYTHING like I used to, but the reason I keep coming back is for the reviews. Not so much for the community, who are great, but I'm not the type to constantly refresh to see if anyone agreed with my comments here. That's what Facebook is for.

I come here for you. You, Brian, TK; you guys are like friends to me, and every review I read helps me know my friends better, and knowing you better, I see the reviews that much clearer.

Add sports. Review Lost. Liveblog Glee. I don't care. You gotta feed the kid. But even if I repost Seriously Random Lists and Pajiba Love links more, it's the reviews by people I trust and respect that keep me coming back.

Never lose that, and I'll always be there, right up front, to mine sweep for the Murdertank.

-AK

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at January 18, 2011 2:06 AM

Dustin I call your bluff; you'll never get all the way down here.

Nonetheless, to the ether: Pajiba is one of the few cornerstones of my Internet life. In a disconnected world of arbitrary information, you guys remain a pillar of something - for want of a better word - reliable. Both the writers above and the commenters below.

Keep it up!
Give 'em hell!
Stay frosty!
Keep it cool and dry! (That one's off a chewing gum packet.)
etc.
etc.
etc.

Much love,

zeke the pig

Posted by: zeke the pig at January 18, 2011 6:02 AM

Hail to Overlords.
Applaude yourself.

Been here a long time, and this site is open in a tab 24 hours a day.
It's a bit like home.

Posted by: Magiel at January 18, 2011 6:08 AM

You really out yourself out there.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at January 18, 2011 2:06 AM

Good Godtopus, where?! I mean we suspected he was in the closet with RyRey, but he seemed to be fighting that. Alert the Eloquents and pop some champagne!

Posted by: Uriah Creep at January 18, 2011 6:21 AM

I've only been coming to this site for a year but I like how it works. A lot of the stuff I dont care for, but there's still some info about movies I wouldn't find elsewhere so easily. That's what keeps me coming back.

Posted by: Muteki at January 18, 2011 7:39 AM

SAIL ON, GOOD PAJIBA.

Posted by: duckandcover at January 18, 2011 7:48 AM

I want a t-shirt too!

I would appreciate more TV reviews.

I could also go for another video review like the one you did for that Thomas Kinkade movie. I never knew that a review or comments section could make me laugh so hard until I read that piece. I realize TK did one for that Holiday in Handcuffs abomination, but I couldn't actually view it being an outcast and all.

Posted by: Uda at January 18, 2011 7:50 AM

I wouldn't want you to change the direction the site's going in. If it weren't for your little project, I would never have known about The Wire, Winter's Bone, Brick, or all the other great films and TV shows you all ever wrote about. Many of the reviews are brilliantly written and/or hilariously funny.

The one thing I missed in the last year was a review of Stargate: Universe, though.

Posted by: FabMax at January 18, 2011 8:11 AM

Hi Dustin: Sorry I'm late to this thread, but I was out having a life. Anyway, keep doing what you're doing. This site keeps me sane during work, and I enjoy all the weirdness along with the insights and reviews.

Posted by: BWeaves at January 18, 2011 9:07 AM

Just adding my 2 cents to the "please keep up all the good work" jar.

Posted by: Markus at January 18, 2011 10:02 AM

Posted by: iusedtovisit at January 18, 2011 1:37 AM

Looks to me like you're still visiting.

Posted by: mswas at January 18, 2011 10:49 AM

Let me second (fourth? fifth?) the t-shirt deelio for sure.

I am the Queen of Lurkitude. Seriously. I follow blogs on livejournal by following other people's friendslists. But y'all... damn if y'all didn't get me talking.

I think the film reviews are the reason I came, and the reasons I stayed (and de-lurked) were: 1.) The Eloquents -- smart, funny, random, beautiful people, and 2.) The additional content that sparks conversation and craziness. So what I'm saying is, everyone's doing it right, and I appreciate not having to get a goddamn star to post a comment here.

Also... I don't know if I'd want to make it formal or anything, but I'd love a Pajiba meet-up thing sometime. Atlanta area Pajibians, holla!

Posted by: linny at January 18, 2011 11:04 AM

I like Pajiba. It's one of the few sites I visit regularly, since I became a freelancer and no longer get paid to sit 8 hours at a computer regardless of whether or not there is work for me.

But I do tend to skip the clearly objectifying post, the ones that are really just about celebrities' body parts. I enjoy the sex columns and innuendo-laced banter - but posts about amazing asses or beautiful breasts or sensational six-packs feel icky to me.

On the whole though - I like the posts, the community, and am more and more wishing I could grab a drink fellow pajibans.

Posted by: Sara Tonin at January 18, 2011 11:28 AM

1 - Keep trying something random from time to time. Everything's working pretty well which absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part! And you are just the guys to do it.

2 - Objectifying? Really? In case that wasn't just troll-bait, we are all of us objectified and objectifiers. We're stuck with that in our wiring (and thank Godtopus for it.) The error is not in objectifying, but in *only* objectifying.

Sometimes with that crazy, sexy, cool, smart, funny, trusted all round human of wonder and joy there's nothing hotter than "Stop talking." Also, pandas don't speak. Just sayin.

3 - "Pajiba Debates" is a little off. They aren't debates from a POV, but POV colliding, talking, yelling, insisting & accusing past each other. I don't know what to do about that.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at January 18, 2011 12:06 PM

I have no major complaints. I don't usually read the "Pajiba Debates" sections, but I do not begrudge anyone for liking them. I have the good sense to read what interests me and leave the rest untouched, and since there's more that interests me than not, I have kept reading since around 2005.

Posted by: Sara H at January 18, 2011 12:46 PM

I've been reading the site since before the DHS took you down for their lack of reading comprehension. I will continue to read, because you folks are good writers and the comments are often brilliant, funny, or both. Sure, there are some things I don't get into, but that's fine. It's not all about me. This site is on all my computers, and there aren't many other places that have that distinction.

I, too, would buy a T-shirt and wear it proudly.

Posted by: Reba at January 18, 2011 1:35 PM

I can pronounce the name of the site correctly, I just choose not to. Wanna fight about it?

Posted by: the_wakeful at January 18, 2011 2:38 PM

I almost abandoned the site altogether not too long ago, and got sucked back in entirely by chance. I can't exactly pinpoint what made me leave, except perhaps that the snark, the anger, the rudeness that makes this site fun to read at times can make it entirely unreadable at others. I feel my blood pressure spiking when I read these comment threads. And I know there's nothing about this you can do, really, because what is Pajiba without its bitchiness? I just want some sincerity. I like the random trade news posts, because they're often straight reporting, leaving the dick jokes and vitriol to the eloquents. But I guess I just get tired of the fraternity/sorority mentality that has a tendancy to rule the roost around here. Posts that glorify cruelty or dickishness, particularly if the perpetrators are consistently rude or brash. EE springs to mind; often, it's a stream of hilarity. But most of the time, it ends up being the same handful of commenters who spend the most time being bitchy in a day. It becomes redundant. And this is from someone who made your "10 Bitchiest Eloquents" list (a title I certainly understand, though it makes me question my thoughts and second-guess my motivations here, which is frustrating at times).

But, see, at the same time, a lot of that stuff is why I love reading this site, why I've been here for so long, why I wanted so badly to write for you when the Music page opened up, and why I stuck around so long after the Music page was not only buried but often derided by some of the less friendly regulars around the site. So, Dustin, I don't know what, if anything, you could or should do differently. I agree that the site's better than it's ever been, with stronger writing and more fascinating, thought-provoking, and often hilarious content. And the community is as firmly joined as they've ever been. I guess I'd say get rid of EE; no reason to be exclusionary, and, though I never really was a lurker around here (I jumped in with no sense of personal safety), it sometimes feels like there's a bunch of breakdancers having a dance-off in the middle of the party, and no one else can so much as tap their feet without feeling embarrassed and maybe a little shunned.

Posted by: ChristianH at January 18, 2011 2:43 PM

Long time lurker (around DHS time) and occasional commenter, but dedicated reader. And it's all about the community.

To me the reviews are definitely the anchor of this site; movies are rarely discussed in my home without the question, "What did Pajiba say?" (closely followed by "Who wrote that one?"). That should never change. But I can develop an understanding with any reviewer if I'm consistent enough.

Pajiba is different because it is about the people who ARE Pajiba. We know the nuances of different writers, we know the nuances of different (regular) commenters, some of whose comments have determined whether or not I'll watch a film (or TV show) more than the review did. So, as long as the core remains true, experiment with everything else. I think you'll easily figure out what's not working. Just don't try too much new all at once. It makes me dizzy.

But mostly, I love Pajiba because, despite the scathing bitchiness often on display, and the people (or because of the people?) who just want to hear themselves talk, there beats the heart of a community that puts wit on par with serious dialogue and discussion, that can glory in Christina Hendricks's marvelous boobage (really, who couldn't?) while still worrying about maintaining the proper feminist balance. You are solid, intellectually curious, greatly witty, occasionally bitchy and occasionally self-deprecating, ultimately respectful and generally open people. And I think you've done a great job of remaining true to that. It attracts, I think, a like-minded audience. And as long as that continues, I believe, so too will a successful Pajiba.

I do have to admit, however, that sometimes the Eloquents scare me, seeing as in my home I'm low in the wittiness quotient. I'll post anyway, I think because I'm shameless and think my two cents are worth the same two cents as everyone else's (if much less entertaining), but I have the suspicion there are a lot of solid Pajibans out there intimidated by many of the rest of you. I don't know that there's anything that can be done about that though, because I love me some scathing, anyway, and I don't want that to ever change.

And I would totally buy a T-shirt.

Posted by: leuce7 at January 18, 2011 3:38 PM

Just needed to add, there has to be an easier or more effective way to find posts once they've moved off the front page. Just sayin'.

Posted by: leuce7 at January 18, 2011 4:53 PM

T-shirts!? Is that what we’ve become? Asking that our sacred home be overrun with people wearing
T-shirts with the name Pajiba embossed on the front? Pajiba is bigger than some goddamn T-shirt. If you really want to reach across the metropolis and make her stand up and take notice of us then we must be able to touch her like no other. I say bring on the Ben Wa Balls with the word Pajiba etched on them. Send our balls out like locust so that our name shall ring out near and far.

Posted by: Pookie at January 18, 2011 4:56 PM

I've been reading for six years, almost since the beginning, and I gotta say, the changes you implement are slow and evolve with the site, rather than take over the site without warning or need (coughfacebookcough). I've never willingly taken a hiatus or thought, "I should cut back on my Pajiba..." like I have with other sites, and I've always appreciated the content and quality of the reviews. I may lurk, but I do it for the sake of having a life- no desk job for this grad student. What? Grad student's have lives...

I was thinking though- you should review the MET screenings. They do encore presentations so it's not totally useless. I've always wished this site could facilitate theatre reviews, but obviously the format of theatre makes it a lot harder, and somewhat pointless, to include on the Pajiba docket. The MET presentations are almost universally available, and stylistically they've made the transition from stage to film. Reviews about those screenings are nearly impossible to find and for what they cost it would be nice to have some sort of heads up about what's worth seeing. It may be a small demographic interested in them, but if that demographic exists anywhere it's probably on this site. Also, this grad student is a theatre history grad student. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Claire Allison at January 18, 2011 6:18 PM

KEEP the sports!! I know that I'm late, really late to this conversation, but I wanted to throw what seems to be a minority voice in about the sports columns.

I feel it makes the site more well rounded. Part of what makes this place so great is that the community is diverse; the subjects of posts should be, too. It also leavens any potential towards over-pretentiousness quite nicely.

Posted by: noodlestein at January 19, 2011 12:44 AM

Pajiba saves my sanity on an almost daily basis (meaning every time I have the chance to visit). This is more than I can say for any past relationships, therapies, diet/excercise regimes, drug sprees, alcoholic orgies etc. And it's cheaper too!
Remember when you were little, how sometimes you would just start running for no reason other than the simple joy of your own movement? That's what all you Pajibans give me. So thanks.

Posted by: cinekat at January 19, 2011 10:18 AM

Pajiba sometimes thrills me and other times, just enrages me. Like a good website should.

Posted by: Less Lee Moore at January 20, 2011 4:00 PM

I love Pajiba. I feel like every year when you do a state of Pajiba or do an end-of-year post thanking the commenters, I go into how I happened on this site, so I won't do it again.

I do have a request though... Didn't you guys have a T-shirt you sold with a pink Godtopus on it? (I think. My memory is a little bit fuzzy on it.) Could you bring it back? With girl sizes? I want to buy it. I remember when you featured it and there was a deadline and by the time I could get it, it was too late. Bring it back please!

Posted by: denesteak at January 21, 2011 1:20 AM

Plus, the site is great for finding hookups when I'm on the road.

Posted by: che.grovera at February 14, 2011 6:14 AM