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The 2010 Demographic Survey Results Are In ...

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Miscellaneous | Comments (115)



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Who knew all it took to throw a mean shindig around these parts was to post a survey? You folks fucking dig on demographics. We had a much bigger turn-out than I was expecting, and while the results mostly confirmed our suspicions about the nature of our readership, there were a few surprises.

The male/female make-up of the site still skewed heavily female, though not as heavily female as in years past — it’s about 60/40, which always comes as as surprise to me. The writing staff is well mixed, gender-wise, but save for Stacey and Agent Bedhead (and Ranylt), most of the female writers are more recent additions. I’m going to take it as a compliment, meaning that the male writers here generally do not attract the same crowds that dominate other male-dominated sites, like Fark. The age demographic was in line with expectations, too: Nearly half fell into the 25-35 bracket, while a tidy 30 percent were between 19-24. I appreciate, too, the two percent of our high-school readership, who must hold some disdain for their own age bracket to camp out here very often, especially where the 19 percent of the older readers keep telling them to get off their goddamn lawns.

Most of the regular commenters were probably surprised to learn that they make up only 4 percent of the readership, and I suspect it’s much lower than even that, as the regular commenters were more likely to participate in the survey. There is a silent majority here, folks. And they’re quietly judging us.

The genre question I obviously fucked up by including romantic comedy and drama in the same category, which is why I tried to make up for it with the follow-up survey. Combining the results from both questions reveals that indie fans and sci-fi geeks are heavily represented, and if you add the comic-book geeks and the gamer geeks together (assuming, as I do, that there’s a lot of crossover) that’s a fairly heavy segment of the readership, too. The latter is not so quiet about their judgment of me (thank God for TK, who has the comic knowledge, and Steven, who has the sci-fi knowledge, and Prisco, who covers the hell out of those unseen indies). Horror movies are not particularly that popular around here, although from my own observations of the overall site statistics, reviews of mainstream horror movies are not as well trafficked, relative to their mainstream exposure, as the indie horror flicks are. I’m always pleased by that statistic, and the Splice review confirms that.

The readership is also a left-leaning and independent one; props to the conservatives for tolerating the rest of us (and to most of the liberals for not pissing in the conservatives’ Cheerios on a daily basis).

More than half of you attend the movies at least once a month, while the other half gets to the multiplex less than a handful of times per year. Another survey question revealed that there are far more of you that see movies on Netflix or by downloading them than see them in theaters. We’re going to work on syncing ourselves a little better with the online movie-watching crowd, though I’m not so sure how to yet.

What else? Oh, 64 percent of you really read the site at home instead of at work? I honestly thought it be closer to 80 percent reading at work, considering that our traffic numbers peak during the time that both the East and West coast readers are at their offices (12 - 4 EST). You’re also a cynical, very well-educated bunch with fewer tattoos, overall, than I expected. The literary snob contingent — among a lot of other factors — also suggests that you’re very well read.

The most telling statistic for me, really, was the question about what your other blog preferences are: About 70 percent put down either Go Fug Yourself or the AV Club. I can’t really describe why that’s telling, but it sure feels like it must be. Right?

And, as far as the celebrity questions go: Your preferences are Jennifer Aniston, Robert Downey, Jr. and Team Jacob. Jacob? Really? (I’d have said the same thing if it were an Edward majority).

So, how could we describe the average Pajiba reader? I dunno. I doubt you could distill it, but I’d say: Well-educated, liberal leaning, well-read, cynical smaller-budget movie fans that really don’t care for The Human Centipede and are very judgmental.

How’s that for a target audience?









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Comments

Yup, that sounds about right. We're a bunch of arrogant pricks. And I love you all.

Posted by: dammitjanet at June 7, 2010 3:46 PM

Jennifer Aniston??? Weird.

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 7, 2010 3:47 PM

There is a silent majority here, folks. And they’re quietly judging us.

i'm not sure if that's it. i know i lurked for about 3 years because i found the commenters intimidating in the sense that people seemed to have connections here and i felt like i was barging in.

but then i barged in. and i'm glad i did! having some sense of who people are makes reading pajiba that much more enjoyable.

Posted by: stopthemadness at June 7, 2010 3:47 PM

It's official, we rock face. With respect to the 'other blogs' category, I picked the AV Club, even though I read it maybe once every two months, because I NEVER read any of the other blogs. Maybe expanding that question would lead to more interesting results? I'd suggest letting people type in their own sites, then add them up after the fact.

Posted by: the_wakeful at June 7, 2010 3:48 PM

There is a silent majority here, folks. And they’re quietly judging us.

Judging you right back, Lurker Face!

x

Posted by: TSF at June 7, 2010 3:49 PM

Well, the AV Club crowd is really pretty similar to this one. The comments are hilarious. Seriously, go read them. Gold. As for GFY, they are smart, hilarious girls who like to mock celebrities and talk about pretty dresses...which appeals to at least 60% of pajibans based on the survey.

Look, when the choice comes down to greasy, creepy guy who plays a greesy, creepy, stalker-y, emo-vampire or Madame Tussaud's wax version of a G.I. Joe doll...well, the terrorists win.

Posted by: joker at June 7, 2010 3:49 PM

The theatrical frequency question was tough to accurately answer in light of the dearth of decent new films this year. I'll go to several films a week if they're the slightest bit compelling...I think I've been to three this year. This is what they came up with without a writers' strike?!

If your tent doesn't have any poles, it's a tarp.

Posted by: laredo at June 7, 2010 3:53 PM

It's like high school. I was the new lurker, and then I posted a comment about MTV's My Super Sweet 16, and now I'm eating at the cool lunch table.

I hope.

I think Pajiba might be more the "smoking behind the metalshop" group.

Posted by: scorzi at June 7, 2010 3:53 PM

Team Jacob? Really?

Clearly y'all haven't been watching/talking about Twilight enough. Who needs some Frankenstein looking wolfboy when you can have a pale, sparkly stalker vampire boyfriend.


And props to the under 19 crowd, though I thought there would be more given the maturity level of this site.

Posted by: juicyjui at June 7, 2010 3:55 PM

hmmmmm. So I'm normal after all.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 3:56 PM

I LOVE being quietly judged! It's when they throw stuff that it loses its sparkle.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 3:56 PM

Pfft. The whole nervous lurker thing is nonsense.

Try this:

Get drunk. Post shit.

Get flamed?

If answer is "No", repeat.

Posted by: TSF at June 7, 2010 3:57 PM

There is a silent majority here, folks. And they’re quietly judging us.

Hey, if they can't be bothered to speak up, why should I care what they think of my spandex gimp ball bra/70's ball fro combo?

That movie one was tough as I generally see two movies a month in the theater and about twelve from Nuckflix. But the Nuckflix movies are all older or not available in my oh so cultured, city.

Posted by: admin at June 7, 2010 4:01 PM

If I can loosen the white-knuckled grip on my walker, I'd like to raise a bony, arthritic hand in salute to the cock-blockin', pud-knockin' youngun's here about these parts. Just knowin' that a whole new generation of 'jibans can't wait to ship us olds off to the Home For Aging Hipster Douchebags and take over this beer-joint will help me digest the daily bowl of gruel and groat clusters we'll be given for sustenance.
Go, kids, go!

Posted by: Spender at June 7, 2010 4:07 PM

There is a silent majority here, folks. And they’re quietly judging us.

Well, as long as they're quiet about it.

And Dustin, did you get to the comment waaay at the end of the demo survey where someone said that Pajiba (by the numbers average) is basically Zooey Deschanel? 'Cuz that seemed about right.

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 4:09 PM

Christ, I can't even imagine what it would be like if all 3000 plus readers actually commented. I think I'd short circuit

I'm still amazed that everyone likes Aniston so much, but I guess we HAD to choose one and she's the least evil to most of you. I'm still Team Gwyneth (kill me).

I was trying to remember when was the last time I saw a movie in theaters. I think it was the last Harry Potter movie. I keep SAYING 'ooh I have to watch this in theaters!' but then I never bother, usually because of meh reviews and general laziness.

Posted by: figgy at June 7, 2010 4:09 PM

TSF, you're dead on. that's what i did. except it wasn't so much a matter of "get drunk" as it was "stay drunk."

Posted by: stopthemadness at June 7, 2010 4:10 PM


No, wait! I remember! It was Sherlock Holmes! But that was only because we were in Galveston in January and there wasn't much else to do, and we were completely exhausted after the wedding festivities.

Posted by: figgy at June 7, 2010 4:10 PM

Figgy's in Texas!
How did I miss that?
I'm in Texas!
Who else is in Texas?

I know it's a big state. Shut up. I'm in Austin. Whee!

Posted by: esme at June 7, 2010 4:18 PM

I seriously suggest delurking. If all else fails, post a comment, assume an alternate identity and then agree with yourself while quietly admiring your excellent taste and discerning judgement. If you're feeling puckish disagree with yourself and start a shitstorm.

It can be hard to break in and it does feel like there is a cool table that you can't necessarily sit at, but I just keep posting anyway and hope to be deigned with a response. If not, at least I get an outlet. Mr. Julien and I agree on most things, so it's nice to get contrary opinions. One thing we do disagree on, and that descends into a spat everytime we "can't look away" from Four Weddings and a Funeral, is whether the group knew that the two gay gentlemen were in a romantic relationship or it came as a surprise when Gareth died. It all turns on this exchange:

Charles: Yes, it's odd, isn't it? All these years we've been single and proud of it and never noticed that two of us were, in effect, married all this time.
Tom: Traitors in our midst.

Mr. Julien takes from this that they did not realise Gareth and Matthew were getting it on. What absolute twaddle! And we argue about it every time despite that fact that Mr. Julien is clearly entirely, intractably and adamantinely wrong . Seriously, it's been several years now and I want to smack him! While not being able to look away, I actually announce that I don't want to talk about it immediately after acknowledging to my spouse that, yes, the Auden poem is fabulous and promise to include it in his funeral. I then point out that if the "did they know" discussion comes up again, that funeral might take place sooner that Mr. Julien expects.

See now Dearest Lurker? What a bunch of blather full of little jokes that delight only me, but I typed it (congratulating myself all the while on my insight and wit) and now I'm going to post it and I get to use a pseudonym so no one knows who I am. Heaven!

All hail to Mrs. Julien! Her name is Mrs. Julien!

Another little joke that amuses only me. And no one can do anything about it!

How can you resist the temptation?


Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 4:19 PM

That Mrs. Julien certainly has excellent taste and discerning judgement.

Posted by: Mrs. Skipper at June 7, 2010 4:22 PM

Wait, you just realized I'm in Texas? But I talk about the heat all the time! Sadface.

And stopthemadness got it right. You barge in. We all barged in at some point and now look at me.I never shut up.

Posted by: figgy at June 7, 2010 4:22 PM

According to Texas, everybody is in Texas.

Posted by: admin at June 7, 2010 4:24 PM

It beats being a Canadian stuck in New Jersey.

Does it?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 4:26 PM

why does it seem everyone is in Texas?

I've been to Austin once. It was too humid for life.

Posted by: stopthemadness at June 7, 2010 4:30 PM

Nice to see that I am still a minority. Guess I am one of the few that actually comes here for the community, should have read the whole question before I answered.

Posted by: richmac at June 7, 2010 4:32 PM

Mrs. Julien:

With a modicum of respect to Mr. Julien (I hate the phrase "with all due respect" because it always precedes an insult to the one supposedly respected), it's so bloody obvious that they're a couple, Mr. J needs to just shut up and let you be right. What the characters are saying in that scene is that those two weren't just dating, they were deeply committed. At least he likes Auden: that goes a long way to redeeming him.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 7, 2010 4:32 PM

Judge away, bitches! We already know we're all awesome, lurkers and commenters alike. When I first stumbled upon Pajiba, I was too busy catching up on all the posts to comment. And I wasn't nervous when I finally did, because only public speaking and OB/GYN appointments make me nervous. Leaving a comment on a movie website using a handle? Not so much.

I voted for Aniston because I don't find her offensive, at least--she makes a lot of insipid, forgettable movies but she's pretty in a non-intimidating way and seems nice enough. RDJ--I get why he's popular, I'm just not one of you. And since I HAD to choose, I picked Jacob, because I'm a Buffy and Angel fan, and I'll go to hell before I pick a scrawny, pale, fug-faced little runt like Edward. You call yourself a vampire? Spike and Angel were doing the fair-skinned brooding type way before you, and they did it a million times better, and they did it without sparkling. Sparkling, for fuck's sake. Edward single-handedly ruined the image of vampires as powerful, seductive, terrifying creatures and replaced it with the whinings of an Emo bitch.

Posted by: DeadBessie at June 7, 2010 4:33 PM

According to Texas, everybody is in Texas.

...everybody who matters is in Texas. And the rest of us judgmental hipster douchebags let them believe it.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at June 7, 2010 4:34 PM

@PaddyDog

That is just the kind of affirmation I come to this site looking for and I mean that in neither a scathing not a bitchy manner. Thank you!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 4:35 PM

admin According to Texas, everybody is in Texas.

This is quite true. Canada is extreme cold north Texas, California is weird west Texas, New York is stuck-up east Texas. And Florida, well, is still Florida. Because not even Texas will claim Florida.

Posted by: Drake at June 7, 2010 4:35 PM

Neither scathing NOR bitchy. I just can't resist correcting myself (I try to resist correcting others). In my family, we refer to this genetic predisposition as The Accuracy Police.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 4:37 PM

I read at home and at work but my time zone must fuck with the stats since I am in Israel which is 7 hours ahead of EST.

Posted by: Arib at June 7, 2010 4:42 PM

Down to the websites I look at, Pajiba has described me perfectly. Disconcerting. And awesome.

Posted by: Disconcerted at June 7, 2010 4:44 PM

stopthemadness, I've been commenting here for years and I STILL feel like an outsider barging in.

Posted by: dsbs at June 7, 2010 4:45 PM

I thought Texas had disowned Austin and it was now running as an independent.

Posted by: PaddyDog at June 7, 2010 4:48 PM

Word dsbs.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 7, 2010 4:49 PM

Team Jacob? JACOB?! It's like I don't even know what this place is anymore. I feel like maybe Skitz should come and shame you all properly because I just...don't....know...what to say about Jacob. Bleh. I don't even like typing his name. It makes my fingers all crampy and stiff.

As for you lurkers, I'm looking at a certain one. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. MANILA FOLDER. Come out and play.

Posted by: stardust at June 7, 2010 4:52 PM

So, I was talking to my Dad this weekend - retired lifelong teacher, now a curriculum specialist for a textbook company - about the whole Texas textbook thing.

So, turns out, every chapter/section/event in history that is described has to list at least two ways in which the given event relates to Texas. Ancient Egypt? Relation to Texas please. Japanese invading Korea? Relation to Texas please. Because obviously, if it doesn't relate to Texas, it either didn't happen or is inconsequential and unworthy of study.

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 4:53 PM

Team Jacob all the way. I don't like vampires, but tolerate werewolves. Simple as that.

Posted by: Robert at June 7, 2010 4:58 PM

Well, the survey got myself, Beqaufina, and at least the whole dang Internet to stop de-lurking here. Also, I'm in Texas, too. So, that's something. Maybe. At least we aren't gorram Okies.

I think describing Pajiba as Zooey Deschanel is just about perfect, especially if we're talking the acerbic, cynical ZD from The Good Girl or (yes, I know) Big Trouble. I love Zooey and I love Pajiba.

And, DeadBessie took the words right out of my mouth, re: Team Jacob vs. Team Edward. Fuck Robert Pattinson. (Professional jealousy at work, people!)

Posted by: RobP at June 7, 2010 5:01 PM

Deadbessie, I just LOVE my OB/GYN appointments. The confusion, accusations, misunderstandings and often screaming livens up my day. Also the stirrups and speculum are cold and brisk. I'm probably one of the ones who makes Pookie feel normal.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at June 7, 2010 5:02 PM

Austin is definitely only technically part of Texas at this point. It's my favorite place I've ever lived, though.

Oh, and figgy...you've probably been hearing this already, but you're in for a long Summer. I haven't even started using the AC yet.

Posted by: phaedawg at June 7, 2010 5:03 PM

I'm in Manor Texas, just outside of Austin.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 5:05 PM

Join me in the fringe, Mrs. Julien. We can make fun of the cool kids while secretly questioning our own wit and likability! Is this what high school was supposed to be like?

Seriously, though, I'm just happy a commenter referenced me by name. I've got your back, Mrs. J!

Posted by: dsbs at June 7, 2010 5:07 PM

I'm going to point out that your survey is about as scientifically valid as a TV News survey asking people to call in and vote if winter is too cold, too warm or just right (that's the education talking).

I'm only doing this because I'm a killjoy, closet rom-com apologist, Human Centipede fan who feels that a an anti-anal-to-oral-surgery-based-film bias is showing up in your results. This is a camp classic that, if we were of the demographic that actually had kids, our kids would be psychically communicating about on their pop culture holo-sites, while they cruise around on their hoverboards, or whatever.

Killjoys, I holler back at you: Killjoys!

Please don't stop covering horror. You gals and guys do a great job with it. Usually sites are anti-horror, fan-boy drool-pits, or don't cover it at all. The 10 Best of the Aughts list is a great example of how well you do it.

Seriously: Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:08 PM

I would like to co-sign everything myjetski just said.

(See how many words that took when I could have just said "^ THIS." ???)

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 5:12 PM

Texas is the best because I am in it.

That is all.

THAT IS ALL I SAID.

GOOD DAY.

Posted by: figgy at June 7, 2010 5:16 PM

I wonder how many of the readers don't work in an office? I have never had a job that involved using a computer, so I can only check Pajiba when I am at home. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case for a lot of readers as being highly educated, liberal and cynical usually means you work in a restaurant (especially in this job market).

Posted by: The Ross Sea Party at June 7, 2010 5:18 PM

I'm one of those that rarely comments. Hi!

I'm not in Texas. I'm in Montana, which is way better.

I totally judge frequent commenters, but mostly to soothe my own feelings of inadeq... yeah, never mind, I can't pull that off. I'm awesome.

As for Team Jacob, the only thing it has going for it is that it's Pattinson-free. F*ck him in his stupid, messy-haired ear. When it comes to Vampires I'm on Team Spike or possibly Team Bill or Team Eric. Any one of them could rip Edward into tiny pieces with one fang tied behind their backs. (Yeah, that made no sense, but I don't care.)

And I won't lie. I totally read this sh*t at work. I'm a 36yo Gen-X slacker. Take that, you youngins! And get the hell off my lawn!

Posted by: JGirl at June 7, 2010 5:20 PM

figgy, my love, you're a damn ferriner, so SHUT IT!

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 5:21 PM

Wherever I am is the most awesome place. BECAUSE I AM IN IT. Sheesh, do you not understand ANYTHING.

Also: ouch, that was way harsh, Ty.

Posted by: figgy at June 7, 2010 5:23 PM

"Natural gas pipeline explodes in north Texas"

Uh, shit. I still hate Texas, but that doesn't mean I actually want everyone there to perish in a fiery ball. Apologies.

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 5:25 PM

Dude, how could you have never had a job that involved using a computer? I mean even at fuckin’ McDonald’s you have to use a computer. Shit! What the fuck are you, a lumberjack or something?

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 5:27 PM

MM, don't you feel better, though, that you used your words in lieu of caveman-speak? As evolved as we are, commenting on Pajiba, feel proud to have thrown off the shackles of the Internet. As Messrs. Ginn, Rollins, Dukowski, et al. might say: "Rise above/ We're gonna rise above."

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:30 PM

Pookie, I'm pretty sure even lumberjacks use computers these days. There's a lot of planning & plotting that goes into forest product harvesting these days.

Posted by: JGirl at June 7, 2010 5:36 PM

Natural gas pipeline explosion, deep horizon. Thank you republicans, you bunch of deregulating fuckers. This is what you get when you allow companies to run free without any regulations and standards. If it was up to any republican, OSHA would have long ago been dissolved. And now these same fuckers are breaking Obama’s balls because he’s not getting the government involved in these man made disasters quick enough. You fuckers only want small government when it benefits you.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 5:44 PM

High five, JGirl! I'm not gonna lie about doing it at work, either (unless the bossman is on here, in which case this is all a lie).

It takes too long to load on my - ahem -borrowed internet at home, what with the annoying video ads and all.

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:47 PM

As someone who spent most of his life in Texas, I take exception to one thing. Florida? Florida isn't even on Texas' radar. The true sticking point is this: Texas would NEVER claim Oklahoma.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 7, 2010 5:47 PM

Planning my ass JGirl, the only thing you need to know about being a lumberjack is how to say Timberrrrrrrrr!!!

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 5:48 PM

Che, I forget, are we still allowed to say, "I see what you did there," or is that banned now, too?

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:48 PM

And wouldn't it have been so much cooler (and Dustin-thwarting) if every single one of you had simply abstained from that horrid Jacob/Edward question as I did?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 7, 2010 5:48 PM

And wouldn't it have been so much cooler (and Dustin-thwarting) if every single one of you had simply abstained from that horrid Jacob/Edward question as I did?
Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 7, 2010 5:48 PM

It's Sophie's Choice, but this helped me go Team Jacob.

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:54 PM

@Che: "Is it a sign that you went off on a tangent with that co-sign thing?"

Huh? I'm not that bright today (it's Monday). Unless that's some sort of random geometry comment. In which case: nerrrrrrd! If it's somehow a dig at me, then: pbbbhhhhfffft!

@JGirl and myjetski: I think we're three peas in a pod.

@JGirl and Pookie: Lumberjacks need computers. A friend of mine worked for the DNR (Department of Natural Resources) making computer models for logging, which he described as "Cut cut cut! Plant plant plant! Cut cut cut! etc."

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 5:54 PM

The commenters only make up 4%?

Oh man. You lurkers are creeping me out all of a sudden.

It's like in Dawn of the Dead; there are a handfull of people having a party on the inside, while an army of mindless zombies peer in from the parking lot. You're just waiting for the right moment to strike aren't you? You brain-dead, cannibalistic freaks.

Hold me, 3.9999%

Posted by: superasente at June 7, 2010 5:55 PM

I guess that doesn't work Ugh. This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQwqepW97zs

Posted by: myjetski at June 7, 2010 5:55 PM

I was frequenting this site since my high school days, late junior year in fact. partially because my love of cinema/tv(is there a fancier word for television that I can use? because every time someone asks me I feel dumb saying "I like TV...") was slow growing and didn't really start to kick in til around junior/senior year.

I was also slow to frequent the site because I originally found you guys through Celebslam, (same place I also found DXM strangely enough) and I used to be very squeamish and there was a poster of a naked body/face (don't remember, I blocked it out) at the top of the page. It tended to scare me away from the glory that lie within.

Posted by: Mr. Patches at June 7, 2010 6:10 PM

Awwww. Group hug with Che and superasente. (I'm scared of the lurking zombies too.)

I'll stand in the middle so you guys don't actually have to make body contact.

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 6:17 PM

going to work on syncing ourselves a little better with the online movie-watching crowd, though I’m not so sure how to yet.

First of all, I actually went and signed up for Netflix because of you fuckers. If so many of you use it I had to check it out. And now I officially haven't slept in 2 and a half days. I just watched the first season of Lost and a couple movies. I hate you guys sooooo much...

Anyway, that brings me to the topic of how you are currently syncing up with net users and how you could do more.

1) I guess it was about a year ago when you did that week of old movie reviews (which was f'ing awesome btw). Do more of that, a weekly review in addition to the upcoming week would be appreciated. It was great then, so much better now that I have the Netflx.

2) Are you still running that feature where everyone watches the old movie on the same night then discusses it? I never paid attention to it before but if you made it a point to pick something that can be streamed from Netflix that might get more people's attention.

3) Pick a TV show that is no longer aired and review one season per week. Once all the seasons are used up pick a new show. Give a schedule ahead of time so people can see them or brush up on them. There is all kinds of things I want to say about the first season of Lost now but I have no one to kvetch with (why didn't they cut that damn cable on the beach?)

4) More boobies.

Posted by: EricD at June 7, 2010 6:31 PM

Lurkers need to JUMP ON IN.
ESPECIALLY any in PORTLAND OREGON!!!
Seriously, I CAN'T be the only one here!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at June 7, 2010 6:34 PM

I'm going to unlurk (delurk?) long enough to say HUZZAH ATXns (sorry, outside-Austin Texans, I just pity you). Maybe we'll brush shoulders at the Alamo Anchorman quote-along?
Incidentally, I'm proud to say I'm normal by Pajiban standards. ::re-lurk::

Posted by: Berberuh at June 7, 2010 6:44 PM

A couple years ago I was at a conference in Phoenix, and most of the other people were from places like Boston, Seatle, and various California cities. During a lull between speakers everyone was talking about what they were doing that night, going to the Hard Rock, going out for steaks, etc. They got to me and I said I was going out for seafood while I was so close to the ocean. That got some pretty wild looks, then I told them I was from El Paso, Texas, about 750 miles to the ocean. We are so far out in the boonies we are closer to five other state capitals then our own.

Posted by: EricD at June 7, 2010 6:55 PM

Zombies and lurkers are people, too, you guys. One you get rid of with a bullet to the brain, the other with witty bon mots at their expense. Just make sure your aim is good, 'cause there's a lot of us and you don't want to run out of put-downs and insults before the horde is manageable.

Mmmmm... frequent commenter braaaaaiiiiiinnnnsssss...

Posted by: RobP at June 7, 2010 7:09 PM

WHY I STOPPED READING PAJIBA (the silent demographic)

I'm not sure anyone would still be reading at this stage but I decided to write about why I stopped reading pajiba (today I just happened to be reading reviews of Prince of Persia which is the only reason why I happened to be on the website). I guess this is a demographic which leaves silently without ever saying why so it might be insightful:

1) You divide the world between democrat and republican. Even in this post you made a whole deal about it and made clear divisions thanking the liberals for not pissing into the conservatives cheerios. I guess this is a reflection of how the US looks at itself but it has a weird way of creeping into your reviews. Just to give two examples (I won't go into much detail to try and keep this short) I remember for the review of Knocked Up a whole deal was made about it having a conservative message and how a career obsessed woman would automatically be liberal and therefore go and have an abortion as soon as she found out she's been knocked up, as if people don't have different shades of being liberal/conservative or as if liberal and conservative are two set mind-sets always followed to the letter. Another is for the review of The Princess and the Frog. A whole fuss was made about how princess "lost all her independence" just because she said she's in love and would do anything for the prince (or something on those lines) as if people don't utter those words all the time (a few years before they're fiiling for divorce of course but you can't expect that bit in a disney movie, can you?). My point is there's a whole lot of different shades of grey between the black and white of conservative and democrat. People have common sense and people act on whims regardless of their general political beliefs and people deal with different situations differently. Besides, there's a whole difference between ideologies and the truth in practise. Obama still has to keep many conservative policies made by his predecessors. The most successful politicians are not those on the left or right but those who manage to straddle the middle ground deftly enough. Left and right are almost dead nowadays. Leftish mania is as self defeating as ultra-conservative, bible bashing rightish mania. Just for the record, I consider myself a liberal when it comes to social issues and a conservative when it comes to economic ones.

2) Old movies: You constantly bash Hollywood saying it has run out of ideas and saying how most new movies are crap. Crap compared to what exactly? Why not review old movies, something which I had appealed for a long time ago on this forum too. Cinema was invented in the 1900s. Holy shit, that's A LOT of movies you've never covered. Why not take your readers from the wonders of silent cinema, to technicolor, to 3D? There are so many jewels out there. The only time old movies are mentioned is when they are being remade which ironically ends up justifying remakes. How else will the old movies get any publicity otherwise? Today I had the pleasure of watching The Hustler (1961). I wonder how many have even heard of it let alone seen it. City Girl, The Philadelphia Story... the list of movies which you can cover is endless, especially because they are currently being re-released for Blu-Ray. It's the perfect opportunity.

3) Foreign movies: Again, you constantly bash Hollywood but offer no alternative. Take a walk outside Hollywood. When is the last time the site has reviewed a French film, or an Italian, German, Indian, Iranian, Mexican, Korean, Polish... you name it. Hollywood is the biggest movie maker but it's not the only one. People interested in movies would interested in this too. Some of the weirdest, leftfield, striking and exhilarating cinema I've seen was produces nowhere near the USA. Incidentally, did you review anything shown in Cannes this year?

4) Documentaries: These are covered very rarely. Only an ocasional trailer or whatever. There are many people who love documentaries out there. It's a pity documentaries don't get more exposure.

Considering the crap sometimes posted on the website, surely more space can be devoted to actually reviewing interesting stuff. I remember posts like "A Harry Potter PHOTO has been issued. Cue: a photo of 4 teenagers walking" (yawn) or "A POSTER of spider man (which has not even started being made yet) has been released (bigger yawn). Why not actually watch a goddamn movie and review it instead?

5) Too many spoilers for my liking: I guess this depends a bit on personal taste but I like to know very little about a movie before seeing it for the first time and I often found that the reviews contained too much info to my liking (I admit I never took note of whether it was the same reviewer or not). I think this can be down to some reviews being so long and the longer you write the more you give away but I often had the nagging feeling that too much is being given away.

That is pretty much why I stopped reading pajiba. I know you have a loyal following who would defend the site to death and I'm not asking you to change it just because I say so but in my opinion a crowd who is (or at least perceives itself to be) intelligent should expect more from a movie website. Then again, I might be being unfair and I was expecting pajiba to be something it clearly is not. After all, the motto has nothing to do with loving or exploring movies. It's just "scathing reviews for bitchy people" so I shouldn't expect more than scathing reviews and bitchiness. You do the scathing bit very well, and cracked me up many times, even when I did not agree with the overall review but after a while I decided I wasn't getting enough of a cinematic experience for my time and I emigrated to pastures new.

*Let the threats to my life begin!*

Posted by: barf at June 7, 2010 7:37 PM

I'll rephrase it. I've never worked a job where I had internet access at work. But the last 3 jobs I've had I only used a computer to clock in/out. Outside of that the most technologically advanced item I interact with is a clock, or maybe a blender. I'm a cook (thus my comment about restaurants earlier).

Posted by: The Ross Sea Party at June 7, 2010 7:42 PM

Hey, I don't buy the idea that zombies are lurkers. I have it on good authority that zombies often comment on this site. It's all urrrrggggg Killers sucks balls and braaaaiinnnss love godpotus etc. Also Adventureman is obviously shambling along somewhere. What Pajiba needs is more sparkly vampire commenters. Because damn they're entertaining.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at June 7, 2010 7:45 PM

my family is scattered across Idaho Utah Arizona and my brothers are in Alaska and the other is in Baltimore. i don't like it when my family is scattered and America is falling apart at the seams

Posted by: Utah Dynamo at June 7, 2010 8:15 PM

Barf (if that is your real name):

Now, this confession will probably come back and haunt me, but -- more often than not -- I do vote Republican (and Dustin still likes me, or so he claims). So, I can assure you that my impression of The Princess and the Frog was not based upon a liberal stance. Quite simply, I was disgusted that an independent, hard-working woman (who had saved money for her entire life just so she could own her own restaurant) would marry a lazy, ne'er do well, fraud of a prince and then expect that he would "change" for her. That's not a matter of losing one's independence on any politically-motivated basis. More like commonsensical outrage that a contemporary Disney film thinks it's okay to teach young girls to think like that. Not a left/right thing at all.

Posted by: agent bedhead at June 7, 2010 8:21 PM

1.


barf I can’t think of any economic issue in the last thirty years that the republicans have convinced the American voter to vote for. Whether is the Ronnie and his Iran-Contra arms deal or his deregulation of the airline industry or his “Morning in American” bullshit. Equally the Bush junta with their tax cuts up the ass, and their dubious wars, and their assault on public education, hell, education in general. These three monsters will not be judged kindly by history.

2.

I agree with you on this issue somewhat, I’m a big fan of reviewing old movies but the problem with that is what can be said about an old movie that hasn’t been said before.

3.

Barf I’m not a big fan of foreign films, but there have been many a time here where a film was reviewed and the conversation drifted to a discussion of its foreign roots.

4.

See number#3

5.

I don’t think that there has ever been a time when a spoiler was given that the word spoiler was not used well in advance of the spoiler actually being told.

Synopsis:

Barf, you shouldn’t stop coming by just because you have a few disagreements about the direction of pajiba. If anything, we welcome dissenting views.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 8:35 PM

I don't want to get drawn into discussing a particular review because that wasn't my point but to answer your remark:

1) The whole theme WAS change. After all they go from humans to frogs and back again. There is both the idea that you can improve as a human being and also the idea that you have to stay true to yourself in the movie. Besides, the prince (if memory serves me well. it's been a while since I saw it) was a talented musician and just needed some coaxing to get his act together, something many of us go through in real life!

2) She stays independent and hard working till the end. She owns the restaurant and runs it and she also get sher prince. What more do you expect... and jeez, just because it's 2010 aren't we allowed a moment of blindly and wildly romantic and idealistic expression of love? It's the stuff fairy tales are made of. Those were the stories we were told as kids and we turned out alright. Well, kind of :-)

3) A whole lot of cynicism was made of the fact the princess was black. Truly a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. Besides, Tiana wasn't the first black hero(ine) in a Disney movie. Jsmine and Aladdin anyone? or that little kid called Mowgli?

I think lots of crap was levelled at this movie unfairly. That the music and storyline could have been better I do agree but lots of the criticism was unwarranted. I think they made an effort to be more contemporary but still keep the same old traditional story of princes and frogs, and why the hell not?

Posted by: barf at June 7, 2010 8:51 PM

4) More boobies.

Posted by: EricD at June 7, 2010 6:31 PM

I can't exactly recall, but I believe that that was the promise which Google made me when I first found Pajiba as a young, hot-blooded high school lad. I was sadly misled.

Further, as a born Texan with a great deal of family north of the Red River, I can assure you all that Darth has quite the handle on the way we roll.

And nuts dudes! I lurked for a long time but I kind of assumed when I busted in ass first that the rest of 'em fell in behind me.

I was mistaken, it would appear. And that mistake will cost us all.

Posted by: coryo at June 7, 2010 8:52 PM

And Pookie makes a reasoned defense of Pajiba. The universe is upside-down! But I like it!

Posted by: MM at June 7, 2010 8:57 PM

4) Documentaries: These are covered very rarely. Only an ocasional trailer or whatever. There are many people who love documentaries out there. It's a pity documentaries don't get more exposure.
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My bitch too.

Posted by: , at June 7, 2010 9:15 PM

Pookie,

1.

By conservative economics I never referred to the conservatives in the US. I'm not even in the USA myself. I mean right wing economic ideals like the free market (ok, this might get confusing because the free market is also called a liberal policy but to make it clear, extreme left would be communism, extreme right would be succeed or die where no company or person is assisted just because it failed or went bankrupt)

2.

I think lots can be said about old movies. I'm always discovering movies I never even heard of before and I discover them because they come to light through reviews or something. The demographic on the site is young so many would not know about them either or where to start from. Besides it's always interesting to see if a movie still holds up 50 years after the hype died down! And what about the extra features on the Blu-Ray, DVD, and the quality of the print and other stuff? For movies to remain alive they have to be watched , talked about and reviewed.

3

Speaking of all foreign movies as if it was a genre is very short sighted I think. There are many types in many genres so unless it's the languages which you don't like, I don't understand your comment.

4.

I guess what some consider spoilers others don't. This could be a matter of style. I was brought up reading British reviews and coverage of music and movies which I always found very subtle and gave little away, so it might be a cultural thing but in general I often felt the reviews were more in your face giving details which would be fun discovering while watching. As I said, it could also be because pajiba often has quite long reviews and it's a bit inevitable.

Posted by: barf at June 7, 2010 9:20 PM

Barf I guess all of your points are valid and shit, but was once a discussion I was enthusiastic about having has now given way to boredom due to my short attention span. With that being said I’m more or less trying to enjoy myself with some internet porn before my wife comes home.

Posted by: Pookie at June 7, 2010 9:38 PM

Oh, christ, bedhead, I wish you hadn't said that.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at June 7, 2010 9:39 PM

Why in the hell is everyone lurking about? Say something!

Posted by: Cindy at June 7, 2010 9:51 PM

I'm just so glad to be able to let my comic/movie/tv freak flag fly here. I personally don't want to hear another word about the Human Centipede, but I can't wait til we talk about The Avengers again! *geekjoy!*

Maybe it's not enough for some people, but it's cool with me. Also, I like laughing my ass off on a daily basis, and I can always count on this place, and these hilarious people, for exactly that. Thanks, hilarious people! :)

Posted by: Chickaboom at June 7, 2010 10:55 PM

@EricD

You might check out Alan Sepinwall. He reviews an old series, one episode per week over the summer. His old entries are at

http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/

all neatly tagged up by show. And now he's blogging at

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching

This summer, for instance, he's doing The Wire Season 3, Firefly, and Undeclared. Lots of great reviews on Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and other shows—he particularly loves Chuck. It's not quite as snarky over there (Sepinwall brings down the hammer hard if commenters get personal with each other, the way Pajibans tend to do) and there's a solid no spoiler rule, but there is a VERY enthusiastic commenting community.

Now, if we got something like that going on here, I would expect something a little less civilized...but perhaps totally awesome.

Posted by: Dudleys Mom at June 7, 2010 11:06 PM

We all read from home because we don't have jobs.

I lurk because you scare me.

Posted by: chamalla at June 7, 2010 11:38 PM

I think of myself as a semi-lurker. I occasionally comment, and even once made into into EE for ranting about some dumb kids or something (not you 2%!), but for the most part I'm just always really late to any discussion in which I might have wanted to participate. Example: this post. Coming in after the 100 comments mark!

Posted by: HB at June 8, 2010 12:33 AM

I'm in San Marcos, TX

Posted by: MSC at June 8, 2010 12:34 AM

Yeah, sounds about right, You didn't say anything about where we all are from, or did I miss that...? As for the silent majority - I'm definitely going to comment more often!

Team Jacob

p.s. I've never even seen a Twilight movie, tried the first one but these people are just SO annoying...

Posted by: SarahReznor at June 8, 2010 1:49 AM

Aniston? Ugh, Pajiabians are dead to me now.

I can't stand that woman. I don't get the ANISTON LOVE. It's completely irrational to me. Everyone thinks she's a nice girl (based on what? Rachel?) Every interview I've seen with her--she's been absolutely humorless. She sits there playing with her hair, trying to be cute. Then, she complains about the paparazzi and how hard they make her life. I remember she called the tabloids evil and wah, wah, wah. PUKE.

Posted by: cantu at June 8, 2010 1:53 AM

Aww, I'm not judging you (much). I do think you should get the hell off my lawn, though.

Posted by: Erin MJ at June 8, 2010 2:08 AM

I comment irregularly but that's mainly due to the time difference of where I am in the world in relation to 99.9% of you.

I read and I enjoy the site but I am not eloquent enough to make a point without sounding like a 16 year old.

On that note: Boobs.

Posted by: seraf at June 8, 2010 2:41 AM

I used to comment more. Then my computer died and I didn't come back for a while because I kept forgetting. I also often feel like I'm not intellectual enough to comment. Which I think might actually be a load of crap. But it's how I feel anyway.

Also, I'm Australian. By the time I get to read stuff, just about everything I want to say has been said. You'll already be about 300 comments into a comment diversion and who honestly reads that far down anyway?

I'm shifting to Canada for a few months soon. Perhaps then I will delurk a little more...

Posted by: redfeather at June 8, 2010 3:31 AM

Once again am late to the party. God damn social life + time difference.

I was surprised by all the lurkers. I think that, had I realised that there were so many regular commenters here who interacted a lot I might not have commented myself. But I didn't at first, so just launched in. And everyone has always been very lovely. For the most part. :)

I didn't answer the blog question because, aside for Go Fug Yourself, I hadn't heard of any of the others. Maybe I should look them up.

Posted by: Carrie at June 8, 2010 4:42 AM

I live in Burleson, Texas, near Ft. Worth.

Posted by: CptCrckpot at June 8, 2010 6:47 AM

Damnit. I try not to get drawn into criticisms of the site, b/c there's simply no way to please everyone. But barf: I'll say this. We really would review more older films if people paid more attention to them. We've gone through phases where we have covered older films, but it's dispiriting to spend 4 hours on a review only to have a handful of folks pay any attention to it. That said, Drew is running a series on neo-noirs this summer (he has another up later today), so I encourage y'all to check it out. The more attention paid to them, the more likely we are to run them.

As for docs: There is nothing I love to review more because they come with their own built in conversations (although, it's also where politics seeps into our reviews the most). People who will never watch the doc read the reviews and comment because it gives us a chance to talk about a certain topic. I love them -- they're the best debate starters. When we hit festivals, we review docs aplenty (see our Boston Film Fest coverage or our SXSW coverage). Otherwise, docs are really hard to come by. If there were more docs to review, we'd review them. But it's difficult to find them; when they are released, they usually only hit one or two theaters and disappear a week later. We hit on all the docs that rise to the surface, but those are few and far between, unfortunately.

That said, not just for you (as it appears you've found another web home -- congrats), but because it's something I do like to review: I'll make a more concerted effort to find docs, at least on Netflix, that we can review.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at June 8, 2010 7:12 AM

I still check in, just not as much as I used to.

I know the tagline is scathing and bitchy, but what drew my to Pajiba in the first were smart reviews for pop culture artifacts that didn't always get that treatment- Aliens, Empire, etc etc etc. This place also put me onto some great tv and film- Let The Right One In and Thirst, Deadwood, the Wire, etc etc etc. The scathing and bitchy stuff was fun, but it felt more in balance with insightful reviews of films that didn't often get the treatment.

I have some sympathy with Barf's points, but way I see it, it's me, not you. My major cultural touchstones have been more or less covered, so it comes down to whatever comes next. I don't go for the trade news, gossip & conversation starters (it's as much a case of time to participate as anything else) but I realize I'm in the minority on that so it's hardly a complaint. I don't know what it takes to keep fresh content going day in day out, all I can say is better your problem than mine :-).

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at June 8, 2010 8:08 AM

We've gone through phases where we have covered older films, but it's dispiriting to spend 4 hours on a review only to have a handful of folks pay any attention to it.

I can understand that completely. Which is why I think it might help a lot to post a calendar of upcoming reviews of older stuff.

Posted by: EricD at June 8, 2010 8:40 AM

oh oh.. make them a series. either a genre, or a director/actor, or maybe from a certain year. Anything thats ongoing to give people more then one opportunity to get involved.

Posted by: EricD at June 8, 2010 8:44 AM

okay, i know you have done genre before. and you just said that Drew is running a series on neo-noirs this summer. so um, yeah. nm.

Posted by: EricD at June 8, 2010 8:46 AM

me again.

Here is a documentary, The Lottery playing one night only across the country tonight.

The Lottery is a feature-length documentary that explores the struggles and dreams of four families from Harlem and the Bronx in the months leading up to the lottery for Harlem Success Academy, one of the most successful charter schools in New York.

Here is a link to find theaters it is playing in and show times: http://www.screenvision.com/s/showing/TheLottery/

Posted by: EricD at June 8, 2010 9:17 AM

I really want to see The Lottery, EricD. I've had my eye on it for a couple of weeks. We just don't have the right coverage in the right places to review it in theaters (this is one of the major problems we have in not working with PR folks -- docs like this would traditionally be covered via screener, but we don't really do screeners). And if we could review it, to what end if no one could go see it (as it's playing only one night?)

The good news is, docs usually turn around quickly onto DVD. And that's where they are most often watched, anyway, which means I may have found one way to sync the site better with Netflix.

And I checked Netflix -- there's two or three decent recently released docs that we haven't covered yet (although, most of the notable ones we actually have). Hopefully I'll get those in the next few days.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at June 8, 2010 9:29 AM

You're right about the one night only kind of cramping the need for a theatrical review. But if you guys gave it a thumbs up it would definately end up in some Netflix queues.

And it's not a doc, but I finally watched The Station Agent because of the Pajiba review. I loved that movie.

Posted by: EricD at June 8, 2010 10:26 AM

I'm a little offended by the term "lurker" - it smacks a bit of peeping tom-ery. It's a review site, I read the reviews - so I'm a reader. That said, thanks for the great reviews!

Posted by: meab at June 8, 2010 10:47 AM

I think meab just looked at my butt.

Posted by: Kballs at June 8, 2010 12:38 PM

Since no-one is reading this anymore, can I just say?? BOSTON.

we lurk because the comments usually give you that "aw,that's what i was gonna say!" thing. Its because many of the regs are pretty good at being regs (nothing sucks worse than a sucky regular who just keeps.coming.back)

Posted by: VinKong at June 8, 2010 1:23 PM

I'm older than 80 percent of you? Wow, no wonder I thought that blue rascal was groovy. That and the fact that my cat and my bong would fit in the basket.

Posted by: rene at June 8, 2010 3:50 PM

waaaay over 40, i guess that puts me in the geriatric patrol.... in the north 40 of dallas proper..for 20yrs this aug. i'm from the ms. gulf coast.. there can never be too much humidity, especially in dallas.. it's the only thing that makes the air here breathable.

know more than a few peepz i wish weren't in texASS, including myself... i've never lived anywhere w/such a myopia... news from elsewhere is presented like ... weather on mars?...

austin is cool.. mostly... aside from the professional politicians. i still miss ann richards.. whatta broad!

texASS is currently being occupied by at least half of CA... all those 'sillycon' valley busters have mooooved here... and ... like beau/jim say on 92.5... 'if you don't get it.. you must be frm california...'

and...californians don't get it. ever... culture shock = denial of geographical/cultural realities.

i was busy and miss'd the survey...

just gettin caught up...

staff, thanks for all you do.

waving to figgy, and others in texASS.

Posted by: kikz at June 8, 2010 11:08 PM

I'm in New Zealand aka..rest of world. Love you witty and scathing Pajibans.

Posted by: carmensandiego at June 9, 2010 1:39 AM

Well. Delurking just to say that I'm typing from South Africa and adding one more lonely number to the non-Texas pool. YEAH.

P.S I catch the local 6am zebra to school in the mornings and those soccer stadiums you may or may not have seen on TV for the world cup are actually cardboard cutouts.

VIVA PORTUGAL.

Posted by: vuvuzela at June 9, 2010 10:20 AM

It’s cool to see the survey results. I mostly lurk, but on a rare occasion - usually something that really pisses me off or Ryan Reynolds - I'll post a comment. Honestly, I just don't have time to construct a thoughtful, funny or interesting post most of the time. I come to read the bitchy, scathing reviews and the bitchy, scathing comments. I do admit to visiting the site less and less the more I saw of that fucking human centipede. Seriously, Rowles, I actually don't come to the site as much because of that damn thing, and there isn't enough brain bleach to wipe the memory clean. I am holding a grudge. Really.

I'm over 35 and am a little surprised that the site doesn't actually have more older people on it. Maybe it's the cynicism, but it feels older. Anyway, I’m also not from Texas. Any other New Yorkers here? Scathing and bitchy pretty much describes the whole city…

Posted by: Groovy Violet at June 10, 2010 12:33 AM