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Poor Victimized Conservatives Argue that Comedy is Politically Biased

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Miscellaneous | Comments (60)



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The “Fourteenth Annual Kennedy Center Mark Twain Prize” will be delivered tonight on PBS, and — in case you didn’t know already — Will Ferrell comes away with the prize. Because of his George Bush impression, apparently. Just as Tina Fey won the award because of her Sarah Palin impression. And nothing else. Ferrell is the latest in a list of liberals to win the prize because apparently, those who hand it out and/or those who are arbiters of what is good comedy, hate conservatives. Or so writes The Washington Times, which takes issue with the liberal bent of the Mark Twain prize.

Practically every other recipient [besides Bill Cosby] of the Twain Prize — a list including Whoopi Goldberg, Carl Reiner, Tina Fey, and Lilly Tomlin — has been an outspoken lefty of one stripe or another. In 2004, Lorne Michaels even won the thing, for goodness sake, meaning it’s easier for a Canadian to be named America’s top humorist than it is for a conservative born in the U.S.A.

Why don’t conservatives ever win the prize?

Defenders of the Kennedy Center will claim the pickings are slim on the other side of the ideoloical divide. All the funny people are liberal because, at least one argument goes, humor is an inherently subversive medium. Progressives therefore thrive in comedy, while conservatives — defenders of the status quo — are stodgy and dull by nature. As evidence, they will point out that very funny liberals like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert seem to have no counterparts on the right. That’s nonsense, of course.

I agree with the above statement, except for the last sentence. It’s not nonsense. There are no counterpoints to Colbert and Stewart on the right just as there are no serious counterpoints to Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck on the left. Conservative talk radio owns fear mongering xenophobia, and liberals own political comedy. Who does the Washington Times put forward as an example of a funny conservative? Greg Gutfeld (never heard of him), Dennis MIller (agreed! In the 1980s) and P.J. O’Rourke (maybe, but how relevant is he today?).

The Times author, Hampton Stevens, also puts forth Matt Parker and Trey Stone, because they have a history of skewering liberals like Michael Moore and Rob Reiner, smug environmentalists, and political correctness. I agree, and encourage the “South Park” duo to perform “Hasa Diga Eebowai” (“Fuck you, God!”) from Book of Mormon at the event. Conservatives would love that. The other suggestion? Harvard Grad (elitist!) and “SNL” alumni Greg Daniels, developer of “Parks and Recreation,” because he created the libertarian Ron Swanson and espoused conservative common sense values, along with Mike Judge, on “King of the Hill.”

Screw it, I say. Cut out the middle man: Just give it to Ron Swanson. Liberals, conservatives, and bacon eaters alike would celebrate that choice.

(Source: The Washington Times)









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Comments

If you think that Ron Swanson is an example of conservative humor, rather than being an example of liberals mocking libertarians, then you have disqualified yourself from commenting on political humor.

Posted by: Artemis at October 31, 2011 10:38 AM

Come on now. Limbaugh CAN be funny, occasionally. He's a fairly gifted mimic (at least he was when he was mimicking Clinton) and satirist.

Seems to me, tho, he's not as funny as he used to be. It's more diatribe these days, and not enough Paul Shanklin.

Beck I listened to a few times, and he SEEMED like he should be funny, but he never was. A great band in my town takes him apart in a song that's funnier in three minutes than Beck has been in his entire career:

vimeo.com/9455863

Posted by: , at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM

Greg Gutfeld and Andy Levy host the show 'Red Eye' on Fox. They are both absolutely hilarious. Here's a more recent clip from the show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjUKwoHUyw

Posted by: Allen at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM

Dennis Miller? Really? His comedy is like Winston Churchill riding a bull in a Mongolian china shop.

Posted by: pissant at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM

Shouldn't they just start their own comedy award?

After all I would think they wouldn't want an award that contains the names "Kennedy" and "Mark Twain".

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM

I've never really thought of Stone and Parker as conservatives. They very well may be but I feel they're equal opportunity skewerers and they're never necessarily talking about their own personal beliefs on South Park.

Swanson is very obviously supposed to be the other side of the coin to Leslie's pure-hearted, hard working Democrat character so I don't think he's the mouthpiece for the creator's beliefs.

I've never felt that Judge is pushing Conservatism either. To me, he's simply writing what he sees with a dash of humor. Hank Hill may be a Conservative but he's just as often made to look ridiculous and repressed for his world view as he's made to look lovable for it. I think Judge saw an underrepresented point of view on television and capitalized on the uniqueness and inherent humor of it.

Posted by: becks at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM

pissant wins.

Posted by: becks at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM

"If you think that Ron Swanson is an example of conservative humor, rather than being an example of liberals mocking libertarians, then you have disqualified yourself from commenting on political humor."

If you actually thought he was serious about that, you've disqualified yourself from commenting on humor, period.

Posted by: Ghisent at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM

Artemis, Ron Swanson is a capable organized man who is no more or less mocked than anyone else on Parks and Rec. Chris Traeger, as the stock liberal politician on the show also comes in for his share of mocking. For example, see the hamburger contest between he and Ron. This is because it's a comedy show,and comedy at it's core requires an understanding of other people's positions and ideas. Also copious amounts of drugs and recreational sex, which may explain the conservative confusion. It also explains why you never follow a hippie to a second location.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM

Forget the award just give him all your bacon and eggs.

Posted by: John W at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM

What about Victoria Jackson? She's a conservative comedian.

Well, she's conservative, anyway.

Posted by: RobP at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM

Conservatives (and I use the term loosely) aren't funny because their humor is mean. They make fun of people worse off than themselves.

Posted by: Keith at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM

I'm pretty sure there are enough bastards and enough funny people on both sides to go around.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM

There are a handful of Christian stand-up dudes that are kind of funny. Cute-ish. I dunno, not hysterical, not particularly memorable, but giggle-in-the-moment silly. Granted, they generally steer clear of really controversial topics but at least try to make people laugh within the boundaries of what they believe. It's gotta be hard to make light of anything when you're that repressed.

Posted by: the other courtney at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM

The Ron / Chris / Leslie dynamic on Parks and Rec and Hank Hill don't represent some sort of culture war right / left dichotomy, but more of a "sometimes people who disagree with you are right and that confounds expectations" dynamic. Ron plays the fool often but is hilariously right about hamburgers. Hank Hill is often a Texas conservative (proud to meet GWB, only to find that he has a limp handshake) AND a common - sense liberal (the Halloween episode where the Jesus - freak thinks it's the "devil's holiday").

What we forget is that right / left is not something that most people think about day - to - day but a Manichean construct forced up on us by elites (look up what "Manichean" means, it's worth your time). Eat a hamburger and drive a Prius. Own a gun and have an organic garden. The only reason that we think of these things as contradictory is that we're told that one or the other is not something "our kind" is supposed to do.

/Rant

Posted by: JByrd at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM

Will Ferrell? Was he ever funny at anything?

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM

I read somewhere that comedy (specifically satire) is a reaction against inflexible behavior. I suppose that's why Colbert and Stewart are so popular.

I never really thought of Gutfeld and Levy as being funny. Of course, I was raised on the Marx Brothers and Monty Python...

Posted by: The Wanderer at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM

Trey and Matt rip on EVERYTHING. Calling them conservative is ridiculous. They don't have any sacred cows whatsoever.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM

I second both Allen's endorsement of Levy and Gutfield as well as Dustin's assertment that Swanson is worthy of some kind of award.

Posted by: Steve at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM

I'm not saying that Parks and Rec is an obviously leftist show or that libertarianism is its only/main target, but I think it's funny that Ron Swanson is cited as an example of conservative humor. Ron Swanson is an intentionally outrageous version of libertarians that is designed to get laughs from liberals in the same way that Leslie is an intentionally outrageous version of big government liberals that is designed to get laughs from -- well, probably mostly also from liberals, but I'm sure some conservatives and libertarians find her funny, too.

Posted by: Artemis at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM

This: "The Kennedy Center’s Mark Twain Prize, the nation’s highest honor for humorists, is ostensibly awarded to artists who have impacted American life by using humor as Twain did, to skewer hypocrisy and injustice."

Then: "[Tina Fey] only got the Twain prize, though, after her superb - and vicious - impression of Sarah Palin rocked the 2008 presidential election."

So... it's hypocrisy when a comedian wins an award based on impact by making a huge impact? What's it called when you lack reading comprehension of something you yourself have written?

Posted by: Jettison at October 31, 2011 12:01 PM

@ Jettison: Now THAT'S funny (I don't care who you are...)

Posted by: midas89(heavy) at October 31, 2011 12:14 PM

I wasn't aware that conservatives watched PBS. I mean, it doesn't screen Two and a Half Men does it?

Posted by: Rebecca H. at October 31, 2011 12:16 PM

Will Ferrell? Was he ever funny at anything?

Celebrity Jeopardy.

Also, please remember, cultivating a manly musk puts your opponents on notice.

Posted by: admin at October 31, 2011 12:29 PM

Exactly JByrd. Lots of King of the Hill episodes were based around Hank having one belief, and it coming at odds with what he saw in real world situations. And instead of flip flopping to one side or the other, he'd realistically kind of accept a new modified belief.

And South Park is a-political. If it needs to be made fun of, it gets made fun of. If it doesn't need to be made fun of, it still gets made fun of.

Posted by: e at October 31, 2011 12:41 PM

As a recovering conservative, I often wondered why conservatives couldn't pull off a right-wing daily show, or something of the sort. Finally, it dawned on me that conservatives, by and large, aren't that funny. It was then that I knew, I was not a conservative. I had been a square peg in a round hole. I wept over years of misplaced guilt and wasted opportunities.

Posted by: Hoof Hearted at October 31, 2011 12:46 PM

I never met a man with money who didn't like pineapple juice.

Posted by: Lucas at October 31, 2011 1:39 PM

Haha, now I get it! When you bitch about pro-macho subtext, it's because you're concerned and principled. When conservatives bitch about the (patently obvious) political subtext of comedy awards, it's because they're whiny hypocrites. Tribalism is sure fun!

Posted by: John at October 31, 2011 1:54 PM

I think these conservatives are ignoring the fact that having a sense of humour is a necessary precursor to becoming a comedian.

"Dammit Janet! These gol-durned artsy-fartsy liberal folk keep winnin' all them artsy-fartsy awards and whatnot! Boy howdy am I gunna complain about them not given' any of 'em to us Gord-fearin' conservative-folk while we go on and cut fundin' to every artsy-fartsy leftist organizashun we can! That oughtta make them awards come a-rollin' in!"

Posted by: Bert at October 31, 2011 2:00 PM

Slate had a satirical piece up this weekend about the Republican war on Halloween (they disapprove of handouts). I thought it was pretty funny but a lot of the conservative commenters got their knickers in a bunch over it.

Anyway, I stole this from one of the commenters on that piece and thought I'd share it here:

Did you hear about the person who wasn't a straight, white male of means?

Turns out they conform to an unpleasant stereotype.

Posted by: Elsie at October 31, 2011 2:05 PM

Fox News tried a Stewart/Colbert counterpart - Half Hour News Hour. Heard of it? Exactly.

Posted by: ghunda at October 31, 2011 2:09 PM

Red Eye was supposed to be the Republican Daily Show. It didn't even get close. When it was amusing, it was usually due to the presence of libertarians who, as we can also see in this thread, are the only people that lefties have deemed "right wing" that are also funny.

To my eyes, what makes people funny is that they are able to make fun, first, of themselves. Republicans often fail at that which is pretty obvious. What isn't so obvious to a lot of people is how often lefties also fail at it.

Posted by: imk at October 31, 2011 2:21 PM

Well, yes, imk, "All funny people are lefties" (whether or not you agree with that statement) is not the same thing as "All lefties are funny people".

Although I do think that the winners the last couple of years have left (ha!) something to be desired.

1998 – Richard Pryor
1999 – Jonathan Winters
2000 – Carl Reiner
2001 – Whoopi Goldberg
2002 – Bob Newhart
2003 – Lily Tomlin
2004 – Lorne Michaels
2005 – Steve Martin
2006 – Neil Simon
2007 – Billy Crystal
2008 – George Carlin
2009 – Bill Cosby
2010 – Tina Fey
2011 – Will Ferrell

To me, Tina Fey and Will Ferrell look a little out of place on this list.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at October 31, 2011 2:38 PM

While I think there's something untasteful about only libs getting the award, as a conservative, after you give it to PJ O'Rourke and then Dennis Miller, what's left?

There are no intentionally-funny conservatives.

Posted by: hater from siloam springs at October 31, 2011 2:52 PM

I agree that there are no funny conservatives, but "Poor Victimized Conservatives"? Really, guys? I remember a few, glorious days after the Arizona shooting (that sounded really insensitive) when everyone called for an end to spiteful, closed-minded political vitriol. Clearly no one committed to that.

Posted by: The Dead Burger at October 31, 2011 3:03 PM

Conservatives can't be funny because, as the brilliant Janeane Garofalo explained, their limbic brains are too big and are pushing against the cortex. You can't argue with science.

Posted by: John at October 31, 2011 3:07 PM

A lot of people in Red states apparently find the Blue Collar Comedy guys funny -- I remember reading a New Yorker piece about the tour filling arenas and making a fuckton of money in its heyday -- but the Lefty/intelligentsia crowd sniffily derides and discounts them for playing to the WalMart/pickup truck crowd.

I'm not saying I think they're funny, I'm just saying a lot of people do. But I won't hold my breath waiting for the fucking Kennedy Awards to honor Larry the Cable Guy in what's left of my lifetime.

Posted by: , at October 31, 2011 3:27 PM

Do any of you realize that Stephen Colbert is a Roman Catholic school teacher on the weekends?

Granted he plays a well established character on TV, but in his personal life, he is very conservative.

Posted by: diablo at October 31, 2011 4:11 PM

Being Roman Catholic does not mean one is conservative per se, there is a a very liberal arm of the church those who subscribe to Liberation Theology for instance. Just because the leadership has lost its way doesn't mean everybody in the parishes has.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 31, 2011 4:35 PM

It is possible to be Catholic & liberal. Granted it isn't very common, but my parents are devout Catholics & are very liberal, which is even more odd considering that they live in Charleston, SC... Colbert's hometown

As for the rest of this... generally speaking, Conservatives don't have much of a sense of humor, unless they are mocking liberals.

JByrd, that is a great assessment of Hank Hill, I totally agree. I think that most people are more like that than they like to admit

Posted by: Bodhi at October 31, 2011 4:42 PM

In 2004 Colbert in an EW interview said:

"Listen, it's a secret ballot. Yeah, I'm a Democrat. I'm not asking anybody to vote for Democrats or Republicans. I say everyone should vote for both candidates -- except me. Just let me vote for Kerry. Then we'll be fine."


Posted by: becks at October 31, 2011 4:44 PM

@diablo You can be an observant Roman Catholic, conservative in your *personal* life, and still be politcally liberal. To following the actual teaching of Jesus almost requires it.

I've a relative who is a Jesuit priest. Nobody could argue that he isn't an observant Catholic. But he has made a life pursuing a progressive politics of peace in the Middle East. Point is, devout Catholicism does not necessarily dictate conservative political beliefs (JFK, John Kerry, etc.)

Posted by: Benno at October 31, 2011 4:45 PM

Stephen Colbert a conservative? Please. There are no smart, funny, conservative people. There aren't even dumb, funny conservative people. Conservatism by its very nature is anti-humor, anti-fun, anti-everything that makes us human.

Colbert is not, has never been, and will never be a conservative. He went to Northwestern for God's sake, and not for business school, so he actually learned things.

Posted by: poguemahone at October 31, 2011 5:33 PM

People twist themselves into knots trying to decide which broad-strokes groups are funny and which ones are not.

Somehow, humor is a property of the left; yet leftist groups like feminists and anti-racism/homophobia (etc) activists are routinely called "humorless" by both the right and the left.

The Westboro Baptists are obviously members of the Christian right, but I'd argue that they're hilarious!

Posted by: Amanda6 at October 31, 2011 7:42 PM

Excellent, pissant, but not obscure enough

Posted by: John G. at October 31, 2011 8:42 PM

Ron Swanson is not liberals laughing at libertarians. Every libertarian I know is way more absurd than Ron Swanson in any episode of P&R. Libertarians are just naturally ridiculous.

Posted by: John G. at October 31, 2011 8:46 PM

All I meant to point out is that Colbert plays a character. What he personally holds as his own views are different than that. I was raised Roman Catholic and lived in Texas for two years. I got called everything from a Satanist (no kidding my fucking neighbor laid that charge on me) to a liberal elitist because I didn't believe in a literal translation of the bible.

I fully understand that there are liberal wings under the Catholic Church. Its more to the insanity of the "American" version of Protestantism that we are treated as more liberal because we accept evolution and the Big Bang Theory.

Now if we could just get those damn kiddies from coming forward all our problems would be solved.

In all seriousness though, I understand why people, like me, chose never to speak of religion or politics at all in their public life. And I could see entertainers intentionally keeping those things hidden.

Posted by: diablo at October 31, 2011 10:18 PM

@diablo - I got the same kind of thing growing up RC in South Carolina... and always from the most "Christian" folks I knew...

Posted by: Bodhi at October 31, 2011 10:25 PM

We don't "sniffily deride and discount" the Blue Collar Comedy guys for playing to the Wal-Mart crowd. We do it because they're not funny.

Posted by: Craig at October 31, 2011 11:40 PM

as far as funny conservatives go, there's James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal. His Best of the Web column is frequently hilarious.

Posted by: martin at November 1, 2011 12:50 AM

waah

Posted by: Protoguy at November 1, 2011 2:02 AM

Hey Craig, if the Blue Collar guys ain't funny, you've never EARNED anything in your life. Give up daddy's trust fund and get a job. We working stiffs(who aren't of the Wal Mart crowd) laugh just as hard. Richard Pryor, hilarious, Bill Cosby, also hilarious, Will Ferrell and Tina Fey, sophomoric at best.

Posted by: glen at November 1, 2011 4:50 AM

Tater Salad rocks!

Posted by: buell at November 1, 2011 9:55 AM

It's "aren't." "Ain't" isn't a word. No wonder you find them funny.

Posted by: Craig at November 1, 2011 10:27 AM

Craig,
"Ain't" is the greatest all-purpose contraction ever. I'm also a fan of "y'all"...

Posted by: pissant at November 1, 2011 11:27 AM

"Conservatives (and I use the term loosely) aren't funny because their humor is mean. They make fun of people worse off than themselves."

Posted by: Keith

"There are no intentionally-funny conservatives."

Posted by: hater from siloam springs

..generally speaking, Conservatives don't have much of a sense of humor, unless they are mocking liberals."

Posted by: Bodhi

These observations are so spot-on they are virtually inarguable- look how difficult it's been to cite even one universally funny right-wing comedian in this comments section.

When you've got to scrape the bottom for 'examples' like Ron Swanson and Levy and Gutfield, well- that only reinforces the notion, doesn't it?

Posted by: special snowflake at November 1, 2011 12:05 PM

I live in the same small Southern town where I grew up, and I've worked all my life. The Blue Collar Comedy guys still suck.

Posted by: Craig at November 1, 2011 2:20 PM

These observations are so spot-on they are virtually inarguable- look how difficult it's been to cite even one universally funny right-wing comedian in this comments section.

It's about as difficult, I would imagine, as naming a universally funny left-wing comedian.

Posted by: Amanda6 at November 1, 2011 4:13 PM

Um ... Carlin?

Posted by: , at November 2, 2011 2:26 AM

Very pity that he had so little information.

Posted by: tarczyca at December 7, 2011 10:16 AM