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I am sooo mad I can't see this live! I have a stupid rehearsal to go to (I'm one of TWO light board operators why do they need us both???) Have fun ladies and gentlemen.

Good one Pookie - just make sure she doesn't talk too much and dispel that sexy Alaskan librarian look she's got going on.
As a Canuck, I'm kinda pissed the Canadian Federal Leaders Debate airs at the same time as the Palin sideshow. Which one do I record and which one do I watch live?

FIRST!

...just thought I'd start things off with a minor annoyance before the craziness begins. I'm gonna head over to this sidebar here, (under the shade of Boobs McBoobster's boobs) and make myself a drink... This is either gonna suck some serious ass, or be phenomenal - there ain't no middle ground here. She's either gonna pull the greatest televised trick since Davey Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear ('member that?), or she's gonna be badgered into oblivion. I hope it's a tough one. Even if Biden stumbles, she's gonna have to pull a giant friggin' Harvey-sized rabbit outta her handbag to win this one. Be sure to keep an eye out for brain surgery scars - they probably crammed a Frommer's Guide to EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD BUT ALASKA in there, along with a kill-switch that'll make her head cool down when the "for reals" questions get asked.

As a sidenote, here's a big, steaming plate of monkey scrote for you trolls that'll inevitably show up - calling us fat, hipster douchebags and such. Drink up, bitches...

Can't wait to watch Joe Biden verbally curbstomp Joe Sixpack.

eastvillagency: Don't forget that we must also shore up the economy and...um...job creation.

This is going to be like one of those old school WWF matches where they send in a guy named Isaac Steinberg to get completely skull-fucked by a guy called High Priest Whoop-Ass. Poor little Isaac might dodge a couple of hits and maybe even land one of his own,but it's only going to be a mostly one-sided victory for the monster.

Why are we laughing this off? Yes, Sarah Palin is a completely inept dumbass...but if you take a look at our President for the last 8 years...they are cut from the same dipshit cloth.

I read articles that say that Sarah Palin connects with voters in a way not seen since Reagan and that scares me to death. I was reading an article in the L.A. Times this morning and it said how women loved her because "she's just like me" and "if she can run a family with five kids, she should be able to handle whatever being Vice or (God forbid) President would offer". If John McCain were able to win, and then keel over shortly after taking office, we would be straight fucked. The only thing she should lead is a pack of dogs in the Iditarod.

Hopefully Biden will keep his pimp hand strong and verbally bitch slap this yokel back up into Mountieland or Iglooton where she belongs.

Remember the old SNL bit with Dan Ayckroyd shilling the Bass-O-Matic? That's what I'm hoping Biden does to Palin tonight.

This debate's format doesn't really allow for them to speak for a long enough time to trip Palin up. Hopefully it'll be short enough to curb Biden's long-windedness too.

"Anybody got some Whiskey they can share?"

Yeah - head up to the top of the page, wakeful - I'm half crocked under the Megan Fox Boobstravaganza.

I'm almost inclined to agree with Marra - this is Palin's show. Everyone on the left is so convinced she's gonna botch it that all she really has to do is not look completely ignorant in order for the Joe/Joan Sixpack/Winebox to say - "You see? She's rip-rarin' and ready-to-go! USA! USA! USA! US... Wha? He's dead? Oh. Um... USA?" You can't go into it with a sense of America being numero uno, a little elbow grease goes a long way, and a healthy dose of Git-R-Done - there's actual work that needs to back up the moxie. Like I said before, if she gets in over her head, her best bet is to flash them pearly whites followed immediately by removing her top... Chaos will ensue and the tabloids/national media will be too busy having a field day with her wardrobe malfunction to pay attention to what actually transpired...

Calling Sarah Palin a champion of women's rights is utter nonsense. It's the same a seeing a Black Republican. It's the same as becoming an Alberto Gonzales. In her mind, she is the megalodon shark who's nature it is to rule the seas of lesser hockey moms. She might feel righteous, but there will always be a tinge of betrayal when she's among her people. She certainly seems to affect congeniality, but unless she doesn't understand that women's rights is already defined in politics, she is grossly misrepresenting her position as a champion of anything. Wasilla is a ritchie town north of Anchorage in a state that pretty consistently elects Republicans no matter who they are. Only 51 percent of registered voters elected her, and few of them really care much about politics whether national or international.

Palin is exhibiting some of the greatest message discipline I've seen from the Elephants this year, but I can't help but notice the reason is that she doesn''t know what to say if we ask her. She's buzzing the codewords that paint Obama as anti-Israel and pro-Big Government. Her strongest policy seems to be anti-Second Holocaust just so long as we're only talking Jews. She's inventing definitions of words and policies when she doesn't absorb the weight of the issues. What must she think ethnic cleaning means? Guessing that because she is a woman governor and says she favors equality of sexes, that she somehow supports any local government measures to build those bridges specifically is as wrong as dong--and she knows it. I was raised Assembly of God. For all the good in that branch of Protestantism, it completely subscribes to rote gender roles. The reason she shoots guns and chops wood has more correlation with her daughter being impregnated by a self-proclaimed redneck. I'm not giving her credit for cleverness. McCain's campaign is looking to garner approval by keeping her as much away from microphones and/or brokering deals with news outlets not NBC. The McCain campaign was more than willing to point to polls indicating she'd been treated unfairly. You know who doesn't treat Sarah Palin according to approval ratings or viewer polls by the American public? World leaders. Business Leaders. Military Leaders. It's a sad thing the Democrats have to.

I hope Biden is mean to Palin. I hope he stops and repeats to America what she just said to them. I hope he mangles her phrases piece my piece. I hope he prepares a few questions for her himself, you know, just in case she gets a copy of the test. I hope he doesn't try to attack her weak points---because that's everything. I hope he focuses the attack on a few things Americans can dismiss her for. I hope he asks her how she dealt with Russian aircraft in American airspace. She waits for the interviewer to answer the question. She can't even answer the New Republic, American Spectator, the New York Times or the Washington Post--- anything she reads that keeps her afloat the very complicated globe. She believes that John McCain is a maverick with great judgement when he picks someone like her for Vice President. When you pick someone you don't know, you're trusting someone else's judgement. And no, NORAD has confirmed that Vladimir Putin has not flown any planes over Alaska, either personally or by order.

On those treacherous seas, everyone from the Democrats to the leaders of every other country in the world are not concerned about Sarah Palin's abilities. Everyone including the Republicans are certain they can throw her out of the raft if the waters get too scary. Apparently, Palin is a 6000 yr. old megalodon shark who can't swim for herself because she can't see how alone she really is.

Loved the New Yorker cover on her foreign policy experience. It's sad when you can accurately report on a vp candidate with a single cartoon frame.

That will be all I ever have to say about Sarah Palin.

I believe that Joe Biden should pull a President Bartlett on her Rob Ritchie ass.

Oh, what's that? You don't believe in pork barrel spending? Well then, can we have it all back?

Boom. Game over. Obama wins, and I sit back and wait for a Josh and Donna sex tape.

Yeah - head up to the top of the page, wakeful - I'm half crocked under the Megan Fox Boobstravaganza.

Megan Fox and boobs? I'm intrigued. Please, tell me more.

I also agree with Marra. This debate is Palin's to lose. As long as she doesn't accidentally shoot herself or one of the audience members in the head while trying to show support for gun owners this will be considered a win for her.

Prediction: Palin will have 5 or 6 general responses that she'll try to morph into answers to every question.

Prediction 2: She will fail.

Prediction 3: Tina Fey will be on SNL this weekend.

Baby, you can call me whatever you want.

Of cooouuurse she just used a kids soccer game in her response.

Shit.

That was bullshit, but it was good bullshit.

Lose-lose. Yawn.

Bob Barr '08

wink wink!

Bob Barr '08

*high fives bucdaddy*

Does she understand that "politics as usual" refers to Republicans?

Does she understand that "politics as usual" refers to Republicans?

Maverick, six pack, fear, maverick, soccer mom, fear.

I say blame the american people for the credit crisis, we're all a bunch of fucking idiots. I swear to Godtopus, this is horrible. Even worse is that I get fired if I turn it off. Damn my job, straight to hell.

I needs me some booze ... what's the drinking phrase? I nominate "The American people."

Get plastered, y'all.

she just called him barack! white bitch needs to show some respect.

Cindy, don't forget darn, heck, hockey mom, and mug for the camera

I'd like her more if she said "Fuck yeah!" instead of "Darn right."

497 times. HA!

haha wow talk about dodging a bullet.

Ooh, we've got Patriotic for 500 now Alex.

Yes. Republican government IS the problem! She admitted it!

I can't believe that Stephane Dion's English is worse than Gilles Duceppe's, and they're both terrible - and how is it a debate if all 4 challengers gang up on the incumbent, bashing him without really talking up their own platforms?

Oh wait, wrong debate. My bad, carry on.

just me, or is she coming off as super cheerful? like, happy pills cheerful.

Joe Biden's nickname should have been pitbull. It's not fair.

Whee! Bridge to nowhere!

"Ultimate Bridge To Nowhere"

Moderator Follow Up Question For Palin: "Excuse me, Ms. Palin...are you gonna pick that up?"

Palin: "Gee golly, what's on the floor?"

Moderator: "That's the punk card that Joe Biden just threw at your feet... Dumbass."

Sappho
I know that smile, thats the same smile that I do when someone is disagreeing with me or I know they're doing better than me, but I don't want people to think I'm bothered. By the way, I did that in hiiigh schoool.

ANSWER THE MOTHERFUCKING QUESTION, WOMAN!

Has she answered a single question yet? I'm trying to figure out how she can just talk about whatever the fuck she wants to talk about regardless of the question posed to her!

Pithy slogans and jingoism. That's all she has.

Sadly, it's enough for a lot of people.

I hate the world.

I've gotta say this, Gwen Ifill wants people to answer her motherfucking questions.

I take it all back...she looks like she's getting nervous.

Energy windfall tax - love it. I think the Condescendo/Xanax just wore off.

Is it funny that we talk about SOCCER moms and not Baseball?

Biden is smooth, on point, on time and hitting the middle class issues: de-regulation, health care, taxes, education.

How much Federal money does Alaska get?

good point erin.

i'm with Mara. I think she is already starting to look nervous/tired.

Maybe not I Dream of Jeanie. After all, the woman did get that Anti-Witch blessing. Maybe it's The Beverly Hillbillies song.

R.I.P. Nikki.

It was good knowing you. You just had to eat 6 Vicodin. I just figured I'd get the tombstone ready. Do you have a preferred epitaph?

SEGUE MOTHERFUCKER!

What the holy hell did she just say?! Main Street, Wall Street blah blah.

Biden is good at personal respect, political/professional disagreement.

I've gotta say this, Gwen Ifill wants people to answer her motherfucking questions.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo

Haha, that's why I loved Lehrer. PBS folks don't take no shit.

GODDAMNIT, I SAID ANSWER THE MOTHERFUCKING QUESTION!!!! GAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

"Governor Palin, what's your opinion on the Economic Bailout?"

"I think blue is a really pretty color. Red is a neat color, too. Golly geez, I'm not sure which one I like better. Ya know, one time when Todd and I went to a carnival in the midwest, John McCain, a MAVERICK, was there and blahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaa"

GEE Paddydog you may just have something there

Where the fuck are you going to get $700 billion worth of oil in american soil, you stupid bint?

"What we will deal with is that to find the root cause of the problems because I was the first governor to set up a climate subcommittee."

Her rhythm is faltering! She's stammering! Punch her in the fucking neck Joe!!! I smell blood!!!!

Gwen Ifill totally rocked that question- you want to talk about Energy how about Climate Change (you oil crazed Alaskan!)

She won't even answer a straight question on climate change. Also, I don't think AK is the main state to deal with climate change effects. Ask the Gulf States who get raped by superhurricanes every year.

Hahaha! Biden just totally bitchslapped her on climate change. "It's manmade." Yes! Call them out on the drilling! It'll take ten years!

Peggy shut UP about your "energy producing state." Every one of your citizens gets a fucking PDF check annually because of your drilling.

You sound like a game show host.

Oh jesus, she just said "raping"

The people chanting "Drill baby, drill" are not talking about oil, Governor.

They're talking about your ass, trust me.

"Nucular"

She actually said "nucular."

I've never felt so stabby.

The people chanting "Drill baby, drill" are not talking about oil, Governor.

They're talking about your ass, trust me.

TK, now, mind your blood pressure. We need you to vote.

I am LOVING Gwen Ifill!

(You know they'll be crying partisanship tomorrow morning)

Hellz yeah! Equals rights for gay couples!

I AM tolerant! ...I just don't want them to have equal rights.

"I'm not homophobic. Why, some of my best friends are gay!"

she's straight-up yo!

I love me teh gayz, but don't you dare think of treating them like adults.

Oh, and fuck you too, Joe.

Homo's are not allowed to be married, and that's the fact jack

She almost choked on her words when talking about gay marriage. AWESOME!

SHE SO SAID NUCULAR! And she flubbed up the same sex couple rights questions with her "choice" shizz.

Oh, wait. We don't support gay marriage, we just support marriage-like unions. Separate but equal+separation of church and state=civil unions, I guess.

Don't let the gays get married!!! It will bring about the End of Days!

Wait, the surge worked? Do I live under a rock?

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

SHE'S GONNA CRY!!!! BRING THE TEARS BITCH!!! It worked for Hillary in NH, but it won't work for you!

OH SWEET JUMPING FLAMING CRACKER SANDWICH!!! I cannot fucking take this pointlessly stupid bullshit condesending non-answering pointless fucking run around. "Drill Baby Drill"? Where the fuck are you spending your Saturday nights at woman? Alaska? You are aware they are more states in the union than ALASKA? That is the most nonsensical answer that I have ever, EVER, EVER heard in my entire life.

CAN YOU NOT ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION YOU STUPID, INCOMPETENT JACKASS?

GAH. Can we get a fucking redo?

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

****

Love you, Nicole.

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

That made me GUFFAW!! Thanks, Nicole!

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

Now that....is a snap.

.....Ooh boy, she's getting desperate. "You guys?"

Thank god that fucking smirk is gone.

shes struggling. Go for KO

Early withdrawal? You should talk to your daughter about that.

That is not part of the abstinence manifesto.

Smooches, Anne.

Look at Biden smirking at her, not condescendingly, but in a "Dear Godtopus, this woman is an automated blowup doll from Manny's Sex Emporium."

Yay, a nuclear question! I can't wait to hear her answer this.

3 Senators and 1 Governor. It's like a chicken in the fox den.

She keeps talking like she has had any control/vote in foreign affairs or the national economic crisis.

We're talking military surge/withdrawal. They're not talking about USAID, DoJ, USDA, DoEnergy people who are all over Iraq.

Talibani? Nucular?

That's it. I am turning on the closed captioning.

How I wish the Daily Show did running debate commentary.

Please correct her pronunciation. Please, please.

Smack her. If she says "Nucular" one more motherfucking time! Smack her!!!

Where's Todd? Is Todd in the house?

Can he come to the podium please and jam his dick in her mouth until she learns how to properly say the word nuclear. I'm going to have a seizure. lkDNVL'N EKN'ALEK J'AO 'AOR ]'APORJ]GP AOJEGPE

Yeah damn right you worry about the Castro's- those boys will puff cigar smoke in your face if you piss them off! I hear they're even more dangerous than those Commie Smother's Brothers.

Most of our Presidents are former governor's!

The Dem's can't admit the Surge worked, now it's all about Afghanistan, and before they wanted to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan!!

Blowing like the wind!

She stole that hard work serious people thing from Bush.

I wish I had CSPAN so I could see them both at the same time.

When are the repubs going to retire the "they hate our freedoms!" sheesh.

They HATE what we stand for, with our FREEDOMS!

US VERSUS THEM! GEE GOLLY!

The foreign dictators are trying to destroy our freedoms and precious bodily fluids!

I'm with you TK, she needs to answer the MOTHEREFFING QUESTIONS!!! It's almost 4 am here and I'm watching this alone in bed, but I am breaking out the beers now. Fuck me she just said nucular again, and again, and again! Aaaargh! After blaming Irak on Petraeus? The woman is nuts, I'm breaking out in hyves. Diplomacy is very important? Ya'd think! Yes, I'm running to the fridge now, before I throw my tv out the window...

yeah, she's not one to talk about women's rights like they're something she supports

I'm glad we've all decided that a second Holocaust is a bad thing.

OR DID WE?

TK, I think that a flamethrower is the most appropriate tool in this situation.

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

Didn't this twat slam Kissinger in the Couric interview?

Jab, Joe, jab! Kidney punch! Go for the diplomacy KO!!! Ooooh, deliver the Spain roundhouse!

We all love Israel!

If she winks at me one more time I swear I'm throwing my shoe at the tv.

Ahh, she said it wrong RIGHT AFTER it was said correctly, TWICE. AGHGGGHh.

NU-Clear. NOT Nu-cu-lear.

I give up. I need another Xanax.

WHY, does she never ANSWER THE F-ING QUESTION!!! She always steers the conversation towards things she can address and never talks about what the issue is that is on the F-ING table.

I cannot believe that this is for real.

NUCLEAR! IT'S NUCLEAR, YOU FUCKING MUSH-MOUHTED HALFWIT! NUCLEAR NUCLEAR NUCLEAR NUCLEAR!!!!!"

Kind of late to the game here, but man, does Palin look like shit in HD or what? Is it just CNN, or is it just me?

And I want to know who coached both her and McCain to turn the condecension up to 11. She's coming off less like a tough broad and more like a petulant bitch.

well, shes smiling a lot, in that creepy way. and he's mostly stone faced and collected

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

HAHAHAHA. Biden's sighs make me hard.

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

MMMMMAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK! YOUUUU BETCHA!

I'm listening to this online. Biden sounds so wise. Palin sounds nervous.

What's the visual like?

Did anyone else notice that she looks like she's wearing the hair equivalent of a beaver hat?

"washington outsider"

AAAAAA
you dumb adlfjdfaldjfadjf

WHY, does she never ANSWER THE F-ING QUESTION!!! She always steers the conversation towards things she can address and never talks about what the issue is that is on the F-ING table.

I cannot believe that this is for real.

I'm remembering correctly - she said "Castro brothers", right? Think Piper's fandom of the Jonas Brothers influenced that phrase?

Did anyone else notice that she looks like she's wearing the hair equivalent of a beaver hat?

Biden just won my neverending love for mentioning Darfur.

"Oooh, I'm an outsider." THIS MEANS YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED.

Alaska has nothing to do with Darfur! Gah.

I need a cigarette. Fill me in on what I miss in the next 5 minutes.

..Did she just call him a liar?

Knows how to win a war?

Does she know that we lost Vietnam?

"Hey, fuck you and your 'facts', my flag pin is big and sparkly!"

christ, people, I can't even keep up with the posting... i'm surprised the server hasn't crashed.

Palin would make a great first lady, for sure, but not a great "First Dude's" wife.

John McCain does not know how to win a war. He does not, however, know how to fly.

Her speech sounds so shaky and rushed, where Biden has this calm, confident timber.

Since 1932? Really? Wow. Pressure.

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

We need a little Wasilla.

Where can I find that bumpersticker?

I had to turn it off. Jesus fuck my head aches.

If McCain thought he had to have a running mate with a cooter, there are several qualified Republicans who would have fit the bill. Elizabeth Dole. Kaye Bailey Hutchison. Et al. I mean, I despise them; but they're women with genuine political chops. Why'd he pick this numb c*nt? Why?

And that tone--it makes me want to kill her, literally kill her with my bare hands. It's the voice of a nursery school teacher giving a good-natured scolding. Smirking b*tch.

I'm not lying about the headache.

I'm gonna keep pushing him on ANWR because I fucking hate polar bears.

"we're mavericks!"

I just chipped a molar from grinding my teeth so hard.

No joking.

A team of mavericks!

Washington outsider!

Everyday American!

WHY WON'T SHE STOP SMILING AND ANSWER A DAMN QUESTION HOW DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE ANYTHING ,TO DO WITH HOW A PALIN ADMIN WOULD DIFFER FROM A MCCAIN ADMIN SHE'S MAKING RANDOM COMMAS APPEAR IN MY COMMENTS WTFGODDAMNIT.

DOG GONE IT? REALLY? ''OH, DOGGONE IT, BIN LADEN, WHY'D YA GO AND BOMB US AGAIN? GOLLY!''

The implications may be less earth-shaking but the Canadian debate is miles better - 5 civilised people with a moderator and viewer's questions - not bad at all. Celery I don't see how Liz May can be seen as winning this, while she's definitely holding her own Harper's staying ahead with a very determined Layton chomping on his ass. Dion is carrying too much Liberal baggage and incomprehensibility to do well, and Duceppe just ain't relevant enough.

All those fifth graders are totally voting for her. Luckily they can't vote.

Of course she knows what a vp does. Now lets quickly move on before she actually has to explain it.

She memorized what a veep does!

"I'm thankful the constitution allows a bit more authority for the VP"

Um...it doesn't, Peggy. Have you read the constitution? Because it doesn't do that at all. You stupid, stupid, stupid child.

Your vagina is wholly the reason you were the pick, motherfucker.

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

She was 'tapped' by McCain??... mwahahaha

I bet he has tapped her.....he has a history of infidelity after all.

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

"we're mavericks!"

I just chipped a molar from grinding my teeth so hard.

No joking.

Liked that shot at Cheney though, Joe.

Call me crazy but did she compare foreign countries getting nuclear weapons to teens getting their hands on birth control?? PLEASE tell me I heard that wrong and she's not THAT fucking retarded.

She memorized what a veep does!

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

Say it ain't so Joe.

Biden's family talk just fucking ASSRAPED anything about Track and Trig and Tracheotomy.

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

I will not allow my brain to explode. I will not allow my brain to explode. She refused to answer, or perhaps did not understand, the question. Is she saying she doesn't have any flaws?

The implications may be less earth-shaking but the Canadian debate is miles better - 5 civilised people with a moderator and viewer's questions - not bad at all. Celery I don't see how Liz May can be seen as winning this, while she's definitely holding her own Harper's staying ahead with a very determined Layton chomping on his ass. Dion is carrying too much Liberal baggage and incomprehensibility to do well, and Duceppe just ain't relevant enough.

OMG!
The women does NOT know what her Achilles heel means.
OMG.
I just feel so sorry for her.

Oh Joe! I'll hold you! My immediate reaction to him choking up is that he's the greatest man alive.

Also, I love how she didn't even fucking acknowledge it.

ONCE AGAIN SHE REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION?! HOW TOUGH IS IT TO JUST SAY "I'M NEW TO THE NATIONAL STAGE, AND AM READY TO GO THROUGH THE TOUGH LEARNING PROCESS THAT MUST OCCUR SO THAT I CAN SERVE YOU WELL"? I MEAN FUCK! at least Biden answered. and got kinda teary for a second about his dead wife.

lordhelmet
i didn't mean that she's winning, i just find her to be a level above the others, intellectually.

did you hear dion in french the other night? (yes, americans, we have a french and an english debate) he sounded much better.

i loathe stephen harper. we need a coalition government to take him down this time. the multi-party state doesn't work when there are three decent parties and one, big evil one laughing while the decent people's vote splits.

Maverick count: 11

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

How do you preach reform when you are the INCUMBANT party? It's like "O Brother Where Art Thou", except Pappy O'Daniels had the good sense to slap the shit out of his idiot son who suggested running on that platform.

*smack*

Did you hear that? That was the sound of Biden bitchslapping Dick Cheney.

Can Palin just start crying and run off stage, please?

lordhelmet
i didn't mean that she's winning, i just find her to be a level above the others, intellectually.

did you hear dion in french the other night? (yes, americans, we have a french and an english debate) he sounded much better.

i loathe stephen harper. we need a coalition government to take him down this time. the multi-party state doesn't work when there are three decent parties and one, big evil one laughing while the decent people's vote splits.

That death's-head smile is 100% pageant training. In fact, I have the distinct impression she feels this is a beauty pageant.

What's most depressing for me, apart from my ability to hear her, is watching the feedback meters.

Joe was more on point, smoother and a better debater.

But she held her own. She did not wilt under pressure. And her groupies will sing her praises.

Now watch Fox say Ifill was too nice to Joe.

OMG!
The women does NOT know what her Achilles heel means.
OMG.
I just feel so sorry for her.

Our Canadian prime ministerial candidates are debating tonight too, but none of them are anywhere near as retardedly entertaining as Palin, so I keep switching back to the American stations... Good godtopus she's awful.

Oh man, the Cubs are totally choking AGAIN tonight......

That death's-head smile is 100% pageant training. In fact, I have the distinct impression she feels this is a beauty pageant.

Posted by: Gib at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

Dead on, Gib. I'm surprised she's not standing with her thumb along her asscrack.

"I like to answer these tough questions"?????? YOU DIDN'T ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION BITCH GAHHBLERGAS;DLKFJASDG

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

How do you preach reform when you are the INCUMBANT party? It's like "O Brother Where Art Thou", except Pappy O'Daniels had the good sense to slap the shit out of his idiot son who suggested running on that platform.

Joe kicked Peggy's ass.

Oh Anne! Thank you for that. I needed a laugh after all this!

awesome Joe. God bless us all.

Lainey You're quite welcome.

Joe kicked Peggy's ass.

Palin recited stuff she learned this week. Biden spoke naturally from knowledge and experience.

Yeah, Cindy, but her base doesn't give a shit.

They don't care that she regurgitated factoids she learned this week; they will see this as PROOF that the Lipsticked Bulldog should be in the White House.

I would have done much better in college if I knew I could tell my professors that I wasn't going to answer questions like they wanted. Apparently that's OK.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:35 PM

I know, right? I'm going to try this in my next budget meeting at work. "I know you asked for the numbers on salary increases, but I don't want to answer that. I want to talk about the dress code." Yep, you betcha' I'm gonna' see how that goes over tomorrow. 'Cause I'm a Maverick.

Commercial idea:

Start with Sarah Palin's "I'm not going to answer your questions" quote.

The Obama/Biden campaign wishes to congratulate Governor Sarah Palin on doing well in her own private debate.

Then show pictures of puppies and kittens.

Win.

I understand that Stella, but I think the independents are the key ingredient this time.

I have to have hope. I can't get through this any other way.

I also don't think it will be as easy to steal an election this time - and that if they tried, Obama would be a fighter.

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

so I am about an hour behind on the DVR and I think I want to jump off my balcony already b/c there are enough stupid people to elect this woman

Sorry guys. I swear I hit Post once, I'm not that amused with myself!

Can I just say how absolutely wierd it felt to read "Doggone it" and "say it ain't so" in a debate transcript? And I have to say how heartily disappointed I am that they corrected her pronounciation of "nuclear."
Oh well, it's not like any of the idiots who love her and missed it are going to actually read the transcript. Case in point: my current roommate and her dumb friend. "I dunno, I kinda like her." ".....Why?" "I dunno, I just do." These are the people that are voting at my school. Why did I go to a catholic college?

did biden just debate tina fey?

did biden just debate tina fey?

I think we broke the comment system there for a while. Awful lot of double and triple posts.

In any case, I hope this thread is included in the EE next week, 'cause there are some super gems buried in here.

"...while Harper's not perfect he's the best choice to run the country in this economic difficulty."

Excuse me, lordhelmet, but is this the same Stephen Harper who commented on the US financial crisis by saying: "I don't think the atmosphere should turn to one of complete doom and gloom," and that as for any economic difficulties in Canada, "[his] own belief is that if we are going to have some kind of big crash or recession, we probably would have had it by now."

Yeah, that's reassuring.

The conservative government's fiscal policies are the most in line with those that lead to the current situation south of the border.

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

Goddammit, the JAG cleared him! And he was a RIO, not a co-pilot! Get off Mitchell's back!!!

i agree vee, and am glad someone else sees the recumbent scene parallel since i just had to use that very scene in an argument against my parents about the republicans saying they're 'mavericks'

i actually can't believe i had to use a scene from a movie to illustrate my point, but i also can't believe my parents are related to me anymore

seriously though, i love that movie

Wait a minute... if Top Gun is the GAYEST movie ever, and Republicans are using the term "Maverick" to refer to each other... does that mean --- wait, what does it mean?

Layton Lover, yes Harper's corporate friendly but he is running a better ship fiscally than the Liberals ever did, and with all due respect to your namesake the NDP aren't yet adequately grounded in reality to take power - I would LOVE to see the NDP as the Official Opposition, they're great in that role here in BC but godtopus help you if you have an economy to protect and the NDP take power because they will fuck over business (as in employers) and rape the economy by signing hugely ruinous union-friendly contracts, cooking books, and letting ideology trump what should be pragmatic responses. Harper's doubt of a Canadian crash is decently founded in that our financial markets are better regulated and that even a Canadian Conservative is still a liberal anywhere else in the world.

To me the real debate was going on in my head. The topic- Palin's Pubes. I can not decide whether I think she has a huge bush or a landing strip. I think you can make a case for both.

Did anybody else play Sarah Palin Bingo? I got Bingo about halfway through...
My card:
Alaska
Special Needs
"Air Space" (free space)
Hockey Mom
Terrorists

BINGO!!!

(I would have had it two ways if the bitch had only mentioned Earmarks)

Joe Biden refers to himself in the third person. But Palin has the deadest eyes I have ever seen.

Also Clean Coal? How stupid do you think I am. Clean coal is not clean. Jeebus.

Shout out to third graders everywhere.

Ha! Everyone gets extra-credit!!!

I have a feeling that most of you commenters aren't even American therefore not even able to vote for against McCain/Palin. Biden said a lot of things that SOUNDED true, but weren't. Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's.

Dummocrats: VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN!!!!!!

And how stupid am I for thinking of David Gregory when the quote is from David Gergen? Oh well, I already know David Gregory is a massive anal tool so I'm guessing no harm, no foul.

Figgy - Bah, it's only that low because of how slow the loads were. We'll do better next time.

I've slept on it, and I believe the best line of the night was when Palin proclaimed to "love Israel." Honey, it's not about "loving" a place like you "love" going to Disneyworld or the Iditarod.

"...Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's...."

Posted by: american at October 3, 2008 2:00 AM

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Eh, I think you are the one that needs to go back to Russia son.

She is just fucking "cute", "appealing" and smiley enough to bloody well convince the unwitting, easily influenced drone who is watching on Fox. Fucksticks.

Also, "Joe Six-pack"? Stupid. Stooooopid.

Also, all she does is speak in soundbites, which is exacty what George W does.

Also, WTF is with "I may not answer the questions the way you or the moderator wants, but I'm gonna speak to straight to the American people". Meaning, "I will not follow the rules of the debate, nor will I give you a straight answer, but gosh-darn I'll give you a lovely little slogan-filled soundbite".

Motherfuckinghell this makes me angry, because I fear that the Republicans will win. And this idiot, this gosh-darn-golly idiot, is going to be representing your country. (I'm Australian. Our PM is better than your POTUS - nah nah nah nah nah!!) :)

*aw shucks hot diggity doo-da gosh naggity diddly!

Kayenne,
Cool! I have a fan. Thanks!
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"Clean coal? How stupid do you think I am."
-- Haystacks

That's what I wonder when I hear the UMW tout Obama because he supports "clean coal." Anyone remember that the UMW supported Gore? I do. Talk about your irony. How stupid do they think I am?
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Seriously:

While I'm registered Republican in my state, I never let that stop me from voting for Democrats (or Libs, or anyone else) at the local and state level. I'll probably vote to re-elect the Democratic governor, for instance, because I think he's been fiscally responsible.

But the notion that I might ever vote for Democrats on the national level is pretty much squelched by the visceral hatred I hear from some of you lefties. That's an ugly trait, people, and I don't think some of you get how off-putting it is, or exactly how much it drives, for instance, the Christian right to the polls to stick it up your ass.

Possibly even some Democrats are put off by it too, because my state has a 2:1 Dem/GOP voter ratio but swung for Bush in '00 and '04 and threatens to go for McCain, and there sure was a lot of Bush hate going around those two years (as there still is). If we had gone for Gore in '00, our 5 electoral votes would have won him the election, and fuck Florida.

Think about THAT one awhile.

I'm West Virginian, and I vote.

Bob Barr '08

Moreover, am I correct in thinking that "Joe Six Pack" originated as a condescending insult? why would Palin et al. embrace that now? I really don't get it.

"The part where she said her and McCain think the position of Vice President should have more power left me speechless."

Ditto. And you know she was Googling "Article I" like a mofo when she got home last night.

"...Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's...."
Posted by: american at October 3, 2008 2:00 AM

Actually you misused an apostrophe.

It's ironic that Palin calls McCain "Maverick", seeing George W. Bush. was a better pilot than him.

bucdaddy if you are voting for the president of the United States to "stick it to" people, you are a fucking idiot. And for the record, you've stuck it to yourself for the last eight years. Hope you didn't run out of lube.

Never have I read a bigger pile of steaming shit scented vitriol. Why are you all so passionate about electing a ticket bent on cramming more and more government down our throats?

Why do you think government MANDATED health care would be good for you? When has government ever done anything efficiently?

What's wrong with the concept of individuals taking care of themselves and their families & friends without being forced to pay for some program dreamed up by our 'all-knowing' government in order to buy votes from the dumb masses?

We need Washington DC to wake the fuck up and get the fuck out of our lives (or better yet just go away)- both sides of the isle. Yet you people all seem to want more regulation, more control, more rules. Never seen a bigger collection of non-conforming conformists in my life.

Because sometimes, individuals can't take care of themselves. The elderly, the disabled, people who just can't catch a break despite trying - who've been laid off, sick child, etc... Self-sufficiency is a great concept - however, there are circumstances in which assistance is needed. More regulation, especially regarding where taxpayer money is used, and healthcare (which is a goddamed joke) is needed. Otherwise, we're looking at the class divide continuing to get larger. You wipe out the middle class, the only people who'll be self-sufficient will be the wealthy - who more than likely will have made a good chunk of their dough by ruining the middle class. Then what?

von beaverplatz: actually I mis-typed. It's b-u-c-s-l-i-m. But I'm wondering if one of the Von Tapp sisters had sex with the talking beaver on the Chronic - les of Narnia and Edward Platt of Get Smart fame (Chief) was giving the reach-around. And after 9 months of gestating inside Kathy Heigl, out popped you.

wheeeew. Can I add this thread to my Cannonball Read list?

Anybody get the feeling that most of the shit birds here made up their mind about who won the debate before it actually took place? Good to know that you're ready to make an informed choice come election day.

von beaverplatz:

I don't know if a duel will settle it. I just wanted another chance to type 'reach around' in an open forum.

And it's spelled "aisle." No doubt correct spelling is considered elitist too.

"both sides of the isle" could be correct...you know, like the north shore and the south shore.

yeah, i'm a spin doctor. pointing out a misspelling is kind of douchie (sp?).

No, I don't think "douchie" has a firm rule, it's pretty flexible. Me, I'd always thought of "shit bird" as one word, but that's flexible too, pretty much like "judgment" and "judgement" when used as a noun though without any dictionary oversight. However, Donnie Most said in "Stewardess School" that "blow job is two words" when correcting his crewmate's report and I stick to Donnie's rules. He knows his stuff.

Bucdaddy, I just read the whole transcript and I see nothing there to indicate Palin as a better choice than Biden, or McCain better than Obama. Not a single goddamn thing made me think she's anywhere near ready for the big-time. You've got some 'splainin to do - you're willing to support continued criminal incompetence just because some loudmouth Democrats hurt your feelings??? I'd understand if Obama was someone worse than he is, but even then, spoil your ballot rather than support the Republican crooks. If lots of people feel the same way and McCalin get elected, you'll lose my sympathy as you'll truly have the government you deserve. This is your chance to take back your country - do it!

Just saying that the bile and vitriol some folks here spew in a public forum is perhaps not the best way to achieve their ends.

is it better for me (better for ME, I said) to inform you to your face, call you all manner of vile names, so you can be on guard and never trust me

Wealthy associate of black kingpin beats up grandma on national TV. Biden/Obama doomed.

Bob Barr '08

No, you're right, that doesn't make me trust Bob Barr.

Besides, you started it.

In 2000, I mean. It's a little petulance joke.

probably lots of fucking id ... ahem, folks around here in who voted for Kerry in '04 just to "stick it to" Bush.

Yeah, I don't think so. Anyone voting for Kerry was just trying to get us out of the mess the Supreme Court got us into. In fact, some of us knew Bush Jr. would be a disaster before he was put in place the first time. Let me see, can't run a small business, can't own a baseball team...hmmm, maybe I can be the president! Daddy!

So then no one is culpable for voting for Bush. I see. The state of the world today is Al Gore's fault because he lost. And as Cindy said, it was already evident Bush would be a trainwreck long before November 2000. Hip hop hooray, I was right and got what I expected. The clusterfuck of that election was one thing, but the re-election via voters was one of the most vexing things I've ever witnessed.

minor aside: Bosniaks are the culturally-Muslim people of Bosnia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniak

Jay,
You're not reading what I wrote, you're reading what you think I wrote.
Actually, I don't blame Gore for 2000; he won the popular vote, after all. He did about everything you could ask. I'm just saying, all he had to do was win one of those three states which might naturally have gone for him or gone Democratic. That's a historical fact, not an opinion.
If anyone needs blaming, it's Clinton. Who knows how many Cubans in Florida he alienated from the Democratic party with his and Reno's hamhanded handling of the Elian Gonzalez affair? Only had to piss off about 500-700, as it turns out.
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Jackseppelin,
Not sure I get what you mean. You saying that between Jan. 20 and Sept. 11 Gore would have pulled the troops out of Saudi Arabia, so 9/11 would never have happened, or saying that once 9/11 happened, Gore would have pulled the troops out? And if it's the latter, how would that have gone over in the U.S.?
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OK, here's why I'll vote Libertarian:

I used to think that of the two major parties the Republicans better represented fiscal responsibility. Note I use "better"; not saying they were great at it, cause they weren't. I was, quite obviously, wrong, though I still tend to think an Obama administration would be ever so slightly more fiscally irresponsible. But I'm not sure.

Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that neither major party represents my interests any longer, which are, in order, keep your fucking hands out of my pocket.

However, I refuse to hold my nose and vote for a candidate -- either one -- I don't believe in. So should I just not vote?

Consider: The basis of our democracy isn't really voting. It isn't a matter of how many ignorant and apathetic know-nothing morons either party signs up or drags to the polls. We've been doing that, and how's it working out?

Besides, in most states you have a better chance of hitting Powerball than you do of ever having your one vote in a pile of millions make any difference in a national election (Florida got lucky).

The truer basis of the democracy is ballot access. If you only have two choices, well, that's not really much of a choice, is it, especially when you think both suck.

Now if you pay any attention you know that in most states the two major parties fight like the breath of hell to keep people like Barr and Nader off the ballot. How very democratic of them. They set up all these ballot-access rules to make it as difficult as possible for Libs, Greens etc. to make the ballot -- they have to do petition drives and the like -- and when the Libs, Greens etc. seem in danger of making it anyway the big guys fight and challenge and stall and haul them into court, anything to keep their names off and their voices silent.

What drives such behavior? It's certainly not an interest in the marketplace of ideas, certainly not because they want you to have options.
You think they give a rat's ass about YOU? What drives them is fear. Fear that 500 votes for Nader in Pennsylvania or 50 votes for Barr in West Virginia might swing a state, and an election, to the Bad Guy. And then they'd be out of Power, and that's what it's all about: Who has the Power.

I know very well Barr and Nader don't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency. I don't care. What I care about is, maybe if enough pissed-off, tired of the same old shit voters throw votes their way, it will force states to allow the Libs, Greens etc. onto their ballots, and allow their voices and their ideas to be heard in the debates and all the other pre-election foolishness.

That would be a tiny step forward, but you gotta start somewhere if we're ever going to breaking this stupid red-blue logjam. America hasn't always had just these two parties, and these two parties haven't always stood for what they stand for today; things changed in the past, they can change again in the future. There's no reason we're relegated to continuing along the same sorry either-or track for the rest of time.

I have a feeling a whole lot more people would like to vote for the Libs and Greens. I think that's where a lot of people's sympathies and consciences really lie. But Libs and Greens don't win elections, so why vote for them?

And we fall into the neat chicken/egg trap the Big Parties have set.

All Gore had to do was win Tennessee (supposedly his home state), Arkansas (Clinton's home state) or West Virginia (2:1 Dem/GOP voter ratio) and Florida/Supreme Court is a moot point. How come nobody wants to point to these failures?

Maybe there's a good "what-if" novel to be written about how Gore would have handled (or who knows? mishandled just as badly) 9/11 if he'd been in the White House.

On your first point, I don't believe we know enough about who won what state, what with all the voting shenanigans. My biggest disappointment in Gore is that he didn't find his cajones until it was way too late.

That said, and on to your second point - I personally believe there was a machine in motion long before 9/11. A machine to make sure the right idiot was in that office for that disaster. I'm not convinced it would have happened at that moment without that particular idiot in office.

Harry - so, if you get hit by a car and have no plan in place and either screw the hospital that treated you or declare bankruptcy b/c you paid your bills and are cleaned-out, who do you think bears the burden of that? Morality aside, mandated coverage insures that the rest of us won't have to bear the brunt of some maverick's refusal to be covered.