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The Vice-Presidential Debate Open Thread

Open Thread / The Eloquents

Miscellaneous | October 2, 2008 | Comments (438)


Hey! It’s on TV, and it’ll likely be the highest rated program of the year, therefore it’s within our jurisdiction.

Talk amongst yourselves. And have fun, folks.


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I am sooo mad I can't see this live! I have a stupid rehearsal to go to (I'm one of TWO light board operators why do they need us both???) Have fun ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: NotBlonde at October 2, 2008 7:17 PM

I am voting Obama this November, but I would be proud to have Palin serve under my collar. I have certain clients that have, shall we say, exotic taste.

Posted by: Pookie at October 2, 2008 7:21 PM

Good one Pookie - just make sure she doesn't talk too much and dispel that sexy Alaskan librarian look she's got going on.
As a Canuck, I'm kinda pissed the Canadian Federal Leaders Debate airs at the same time as the Palin sideshow. Which one do I record and which one do I watch live?

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 7:24 PM

Moderator: Governor Palin, why do you think you're qualified to become our next president?

Palin: Because, in this great country of ours, we must be constantly vigilant against the external threats from terrorists and we must never blink against the economic problems our great country faces, and we must reform government to never second guess Israel to fight the terrorists and spread democracy to Russia, which I can see from my house.

Posted by: eastvillagenyc73 at October 2, 2008 7:27 PM

FIRST!

...just thought I'd start things off with a minor annoyance before the craziness begins. I'm gonna head over to this sidebar here, (under the shade of Boobs McBoobster's boobs) and make myself a drink... This is either gonna suck some serious ass, or be phenomenal - there ain't no middle ground here. She's either gonna pull the greatest televised trick since Davey Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear ('member that?), or she's gonna be badgered into oblivion. I hope it's a tough one. Even if Biden stumbles, she's gonna have to pull a giant friggin' Harvey-sized rabbit outta her handbag to win this one. Be sure to keep an eye out for brain surgery scars - they probably crammed a Frommer's Guide to EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD BUT ALASKA in there, along with a kill-switch that'll make her head cool down when the "for reals" questions get asked.

As a sidenote, here's a big, steaming plate of monkey scrote for you trolls that'll inevitably show up - calling us fat, hipster douchebags and such. Drink up, bitches...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at October 2, 2008 7:27 PM

"FIRST!"

...scratch that part...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at October 2, 2008 7:28 PM

Can't wait to watch Joe Biden verbally curbstomp Joe Sixpack.

Posted by: Joe at October 2, 2008 7:29 PM

Whoops. I meant the next VICE-president, unless the old guy croaks (eep!).

Posted by: eastvillagenyc73 at October 2, 2008 7:32 PM

eastvillagency: Don't forget that we must also shore up the economy and...um...job creation.

Posted by: NotBlonde at October 2, 2008 7:41 PM

...and everywhere, like, such as; some people don't have maps.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 7:50 PM

This is going to be like one of those old school WWF matches where they send in a guy named Isaac Steinberg to get completely skull-fucked by a guy called High Priest Whoop-Ass. Poor little Isaac might dodge a couple of hits and maybe even land one of his own,but it's only going to be a mostly one-sided victory for the monster.

Posted by: B-rant at October 2, 2008 7:51 PM

This is going to be like one of those old school WWF matches where they send in a guy named Isaac Steinberg to get completely skull-fucked by a guy called High Priest Whoop-Ass. Poor little Isaac might dodge a couple of hits and maybe even land one of his own,but it's only going to be a mostly one-sided victory for the monster.

Posted by: B-rant at October 2, 2008 7:51 PM

Why are we laughing this off? Yes, Sarah Palin is a completely inept dumbass...but if you take a look at our President for the last 8 years...they are cut from the same dipshit cloth.

I read articles that say that Sarah Palin connects with voters in a way not seen since Reagan and that scares me to death. I was reading an article in the L.A. Times this morning and it said how women loved her because "she's just like me" and "if she can run a family with five kids, she should be able to handle whatever being Vice or (God forbid) President would offer". If John McCain were able to win, and then keel over shortly after taking office, we would be straight fucked. The only thing she should lead is a pack of dogs in the Iditarod.

Hopefully Biden will keep his pimp hand strong and verbally bitch slap this yokel back up into Mountieland or Iglooton where she belongs.

Posted by: Rubble44 at October 2, 2008 7:58 PM

I just want to say that I work at a public radio station (NPR and all that jazz) and this shit is going to make my life hell for the course of the evening. 3 hours of making sure the satellite feed stays on while listening for updates from Washington about what they are going to do next and also trying to keep our new evening host from panicking. Oh yeah, and I also have to listen to Sarah fucking Palin. Anybody got some Whiskey they can share?

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 8:01 PM

Remember the old SNL bit with Dan Ayckroyd shilling the Bass-O-Matic? That's what I'm hoping Biden does to Palin tonight.

Posted by: Cris at October 2, 2008 8:02 PM

I'm gonna make a prediction - I think Sarah Palin is going to win. Honestly, she can't not win - all she has to do is form complete sentences, and bam! she was brilliant.

And I watched some clips from her gubernatorial debates - she's actually quite eloquent. She doesn't know, say, facts, or figures, nor did she really answer questions; but she does come across as not retarded, which is all she needs to do to win.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 8:09 PM

This debate's format doesn't really allow for them to speak for a long enough time to trip Palin up. Hopefully it'll be short enough to curb Biden's long-windedness too.

Posted by: mswas at October 2, 2008 8:23 PM

Posted by: slower lower at October 2, 2008 8:24 PM

"Anybody got some Whiskey they can share?"

Yeah - head up to the top of the page, wakeful - I'm half crocked under the Megan Fox Boobstravaganza.

I'm almost inclined to agree with Marra - this is Palin's show. Everyone on the left is so convinced she's gonna botch it that all she really has to do is not look completely ignorant in order for the Joe/Joan Sixpack/Winebox to say - "You see? She's rip-rarin' and ready-to-go! USA! USA! USA! US... Wha? He's dead? Oh. Um... USA?" You can't go into it with a sense of America being numero uno, a little elbow grease goes a long way, and a healthy dose of Git-R-Done - there's actual work that needs to back up the moxie. Like I said before, if she gets in over her head, her best bet is to flash them pearly whites followed immediately by removing her top... Chaos will ensue and the tabloids/national media will be too busy having a field day with her wardrobe malfunction to pay attention to what actually transpired...

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at October 2, 2008 8:27 PM

Olbermann's had quite a few people on this week who say Palin is a good debater. She's got the advantage in that she's been set up as the underdog, and that expectations are low. Biden needs to be polite and articulate, and to just overwhelm her with his knowledge and expertise.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 8:31 PM

Calling Sarah Palin a champion of women's rights is utter nonsense. It's the same a seeing a Black Republican. It's the same as becoming an Alberto Gonzales. In her mind, she is the megalodon shark who's nature it is to rule the seas of lesser hockey moms. She might feel righteous, but there will always be a tinge of betrayal when she's among her people. She certainly seems to affect congeniality, but unless she doesn't understand that women's rights is already defined in politics, she is grossly misrepresenting her position as a champion of anything. Wasilla is a ritchie town north of Anchorage in a state that pretty consistently elects Republicans no matter who they are. Only 51 percent of registered voters elected her, and few of them really care much about politics whether national or international.

Palin is exhibiting some of the greatest message discipline I've seen from the Elephants this year, but I can't help but notice the reason is that she doesn''t know what to say if we ask her. She's buzzing the codewords that paint Obama as anti-Israel and pro-Big Government. Her strongest policy seems to be anti-Second Holocaust just so long as we're only talking Jews. She's inventing definitions of words and policies when she doesn't absorb the weight of the issues. What must she think ethnic cleaning means? Guessing that because she is a woman governor and says she favors equality of sexes, that she somehow supports any local government measures to build those bridges specifically is as wrong as dong--and she knows it. I was raised Assembly of God. For all the good in that branch of Protestantism, it completely subscribes to rote gender roles. The reason she shoots guns and chops wood has more correlation with her daughter being impregnated by a self-proclaimed redneck. I'm not giving her credit for cleverness. McCain's campaign is looking to garner approval by keeping her as much away from microphones and/or brokering deals with news outlets not NBC. The McCain campaign was more than willing to point to polls indicating she'd been treated unfairly. You know who doesn't treat Sarah Palin according to approval ratings or viewer polls by the American public? World leaders. Business Leaders. Military Leaders. It's a sad thing the Democrats have to.

I hope Biden is mean to Palin. I hope he stops and repeats to America what she just said to them. I hope he mangles her phrases piece my piece. I hope he prepares a few questions for her himself, you know, just in case she gets a copy of the test. I hope he doesn't try to attack her weak points---because that's everything. I hope he focuses the attack on a few things Americans can dismiss her for. I hope he asks her how she dealt with Russian aircraft in American airspace. She waits for the interviewer to answer the question. She can't even answer the New Republic, American Spectator, the New York Times or the Washington Post--- anything she reads that keeps her afloat the very complicated globe. She believes that John McCain is a maverick with great judgement when he picks someone like her for Vice President. When you pick someone you don't know, you're trusting someone else's judgement. And no, NORAD has confirmed that Vladimir Putin has not flown any planes over Alaska, either personally or by order.

On those treacherous seas, everyone from the Democrats to the leaders of every other country in the world are not concerned about Sarah Palin's abilities. Everyone including the Republicans are certain they can throw her out of the raft if the waters get too scary. Apparently, Palin is a 6000 yr. old megalodon shark who can't swim for herself because she can't see how alone she really is.

Loved the New Yorker cover on her foreign policy experience. It's sad when you can accurately report on a vp candidate with a single cartoon frame.

That will be all I ever have to say about Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 2, 2008 8:35 PM

I amend "throw her out of the raft" to hunt down and harpoon her ass. That's a little better. A shark who can't swim. Oh I dunno, I'm just cross-eyed pissed.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 2, 2008 8:38 PM

I believe that Joe Biden should pull a President Bartlett on her Rob Ritchie ass.

Oh, what's that? You don't believe in pork barrel spending? Well then, can we have it all back?

Boom. Game over. Obama wins, and I sit back and wait for a Josh and Donna sex tape.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 8:44 PM

Yeah, it doesn't even really matter if she comes across as a dumbass (which I actually don't think she will, considering how much coaching has probably been going on). A lot of people find her likable and easy to relate to, and that's what matters most to them...now, Biden, likable? Not as much. And goodness gracious, I hope he doesn't act patronizing toward her. Hopefully he'll just focus on McCain/Bush, thereby making her look irrelevant and in way over her head...maybe that would work?

Also, I could very easily see any "tough" questions from Gwen Ifill being spun as her being a pro-Obama meanie. *sigh* I don't see this going very well, and yet I'm still going to sit through it.

Posted by: Sycamore at October 2, 2008 8:45 PM

Yeah - head up to the top of the page, wakeful - I'm half crocked under the Megan Fox Boobstravaganza.

Megan Fox and boobs? I'm intrigued. Please, tell me more.

I also agree with Marra. This debate is Palin's to lose. As long as she doesn't accidentally shoot herself or one of the audience members in the head while trying to show support for gun owners this will be considered a win for her.

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 8:51 PM

Yeah - head up to the top of the page, wakeful - I'm half crocked under the Megan Fox Boobstravaganza.

Heywaitaminnit - what channel is that on?? Cuz that sounds a lot less infuriating!

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 8:54 PM

Prediction: Palin will have 5 or 6 general responses that she'll try to morph into answers to every question.

Prediction 2: She will fail.

Prediction 3: Tina Fey will be on SNL this weekend.

Posted by: pktechguy at October 2, 2008 8:55 PM

Can I call you Joe?

I'm already pissed.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:03 PM

Baby, you can call me whatever you want.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:03 PM

Of cooouuurse she just used a kids soccer game in her response.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:06 PM

O, yah, I betcha.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:06 PM

I'll take Fear for 100, Alex.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:06 PM

Shit.

That was bullshit, but it was good bullshit.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:07 PM

Betcha!

DRINK....

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 9:07 PM

Lose-lose. Yawn.

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 2, 2008 9:08 PM

...Did she just wink at the camera? Christ, I'm done. There's no way I'm going to keep up with this foolish woman's shenanigans.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:09 PM

wink wink!

Posted by: joe at October 2, 2008 9:09 PM

I agree TK, the "Hey, can I call you Joe", 'cause I'm just like regular folks' thing set my teeth on edge immediately. I fear that it will have the exact opposite effect on most of the people I know and work with.

Maverick - starting the count at 9:08 pm...

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:09 PM

Bob Barr '08

*high fives bucdaddy*

Posted by: Kayanne at October 2, 2008 9:09 PM

if she uses the word maverick again, i'm going to strangles someone.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

Does she understand that "politics as usual" refers to Republicans?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

Mavericks, we are MAVERICKS damn you...
Maaaaaavericks......

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

Does she understand that "politics as usual" refers to Republicans?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

Maverick, six pack, fear, maverick, soccer mom, fear.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

Oh no, Skitt! I think I might be Joan Winebox.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:10 PM

UGH - soccer games. Wake up America. Take the gloves off Joe!

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:11 PM

I say blame the american people for the credit crisis, we're all a bunch of fucking idiots. I swear to Godtopus, this is horrible. Even worse is that I get fired if I turn it off. Damn my job, straight to hell.

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 9:12 PM

Joe is hitting all the right points.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:12 PM

I needs me some booze ... what's the drinking phrase? I nominate "The American people."

Get plastered, y'all.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 2, 2008 9:13 PM

Mock all you want guys, she's killing.

Wait...I take it back, the mod asked her to respond to Biden's attack, but she doesn't have that notecard prepared, so she's gonna talk about taxes instead. God, learn to think, woman!

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:13 PM

she just called him barack! white bitch needs to show some respect.

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 9:13 PM

I'd like her more if she said "Fuck yeah!" instead of "Darn right."

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:13 PM

Cindy, don't forget darn, heck, hockey mom, and mug for the camera

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:14 PM

I just can't do it. I can't listen to her talk. She sounds like she's reading a book report she prepared from cliffsnotes or something. I'll just forward the Tivo till 'ole Joe Joe talks.

Posted by: pktechguy at October 2, 2008 9:14 PM

I'd like her more if she said "Fuck yeah!" instead of "Darn right."

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:14 PM

Killing? Are you joking? Biden is whomping on her.

Posted by: CIndy at October 2, 2008 9:14 PM

497 times. HA!

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:15 PM

Gosh darnit to heck. Heck. Darn. Gosh. Gee Golly. Oh, soccer mom. Joe Six pack oh golly oh gee you betcha.

Twat - 'a' + 'i' = Twit.

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:15 PM

haha wow talk about dodging a bullet.

Posted by: joe at October 2, 2008 9:15 PM

Does anyone else think that on CNN's retarded little voter gage, women have a high approval of helping families pay for healthcare, and men really don't seem to give a shit?

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:17 PM

Ooh, we've got Patriotic for 500 now Alex.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:18 PM

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Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:18 PM

Yes. Republican government IS the problem! She admitted it!

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:18 PM

Oooh, she knows details.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:18 PM

I can't believe that Stephane Dion's English is worse than Gilles Duceppe's, and they're both terrible - and how is it a debate if all 4 challengers gang up on the incumbent, bashing him without really talking up their own platforms?

Oh wait, wrong debate. My bad, carry on.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 9:19 PM

just me, or is she coming off as super cheerful? like, happy pills cheerful.

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 9:19 PM

HAHA the moderator called her on the lack of addressing the healthcare plan. Okay 5 billion...what happens when that runs out? you're perpetuating a $5billion dollar (minimum) line of credit renewed every year for "joe six pack"

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 9:19 PM

The mistake you're making, Cindy, is listening for substance. People who watch this shit to make up their minds are really fucking stupid; they could give a shit about Joe's well reasoned arguments. She's cute and she's speaking in sentences. That's all she needs to do.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:19 PM

Joe Biden's nickname should have been pitbull. It's not fair.

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:20 PM

Oooohhh! Owned!

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:21 PM

Whee! Bridge to nowhere!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:21 PM

But does she know how to give a good Commodore? All I want in my VP is the ability to open new doors to pleasure. Oh yeah, baby, work it. Not so fast! Oops, can you hand me a towel?

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 9:22 PM

"Ultimate Bridge To Nowhere"

Moderator Follow Up Question For Palin: "Excuse me, Ms. Palin...are you gonna pick that up?"

Palin: "Gee golly, what's on the floor?"

Moderator: "That's the punk card that Joe Biden just threw at your feet... Dumbass."

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:22 PM

by the way, don't watch the debate on CNN, that stupid ekg on the bottom of the screen is too distracting, and it only shows when guys get hard looking at Palin.

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:23 PM

Sappho
I know that smile, thats the same smile that I do when someone is disagreeing with me or I know they're doing better than me, but I don't want people to think I'm bothered. By the way, I did that in hiiigh schoool.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:23 PM

What is Joe thinking when he smiles at her? I bet its dirty. God, I hope its dirty.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:24 PM

ANSWER THE MOTHERFUCKING QUESTION, WOMAN!

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:24 PM

I had to take on those oil companies and say "Hey! Why don't you just drill in ANWR?"

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:24 PM

Has she answered a single question yet? I'm trying to figure out how she can just talk about whatever the fuck she wants to talk about regardless of the question posed to her!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:24 PM

what? what did you have to do in alaska?

something about her tone in almost laughing all the time is grating to me... i'm all for her cheerfulness but this is sort of a serious occasion, right?

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 9:25 PM

Pithy slogans and jingoism. That's all she has.

Sadly, it's enough for a lot of people.

I hate the world.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:25 PM

Look at her staring at her notes while Joe talks. Do you think she's humming the "I Dream of Jeanie" theme tune to herself while he talks? It'd explain the lack of coherence in her replies.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:26 PM

I've gotta say this, Gwen Ifill wants people to answer her motherfucking questions.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:26 PM

I love how she seems to be condescendingly telling me some fanciful bedtime story when she speaks into the camera, slightly smiling and sweet. I want to puke.

Neither side is really wowing me at this point.

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 9:26 PM

I take it all back...she looks like she's getting nervous.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:26 PM

Peggy Hill is not answering the energy question; she's attacking Obama's vote 3 YEARS AGO.

PissBoy, I have no booze in the house, but I'll pop a Vicodin each time she utters one of those Godawful words.

Oooh, she just tried to defend the whole "putting the campaign aside" snafu.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:27 PM

Energy windfall tax - love it. I think the Condescendo/Xanax just wore off.

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:27 PM

Did you hear, wall street is filled with greed.

Posted by: Gamal at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

Is it funny that we talk about SOCCER moms and not Baseball?

Biden is smooth, on point, on time and hitting the middle class issues: de-regulation, health care, taxes, education.

How much Federal money does Alaska get?

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

Palin's speaking style so far has been totally smug and unnerving. People are going to be turned off by that. And this sloganizing is such bullshit! Biden's bringing all these facts and speaking clearly and frankly, whereas she's avoiding every answer.

Posted by: Audiosuede at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

good point erin.

i'm with Mara. I think she is already starting to look nervous/tired.

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

facts and figures from Biden, smirks and soundbytes from Palin.

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

Maybe not I Dream of Jeanie. After all, the woman did get that Anti-Witch blessing. Maybe it's The Beverly Hillbillies song.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

I'm starting a camaign called "G Spot" to save the letter "G". Clearly Palin's first act when in office will be to eliminate the letter G from the alphabet. I'm beginning to think her real name is Paling and she just drops the G from it to make it more folksy. Why will this woman not pronounce any action verb correctly? I feel dirty just watching her.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 2, 2008 9:28 PM

R.I.P. Nikki.

It was good knowing you. You just had to eat 6 Vicodin. I just figured I'd get the tombstone ready. Do you have a preferred epitaph?

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

I can't answer this one so I'm going to pretend I know about energy again. Maverick!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

SEGUE MOTHERFUCKER!

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

Also, $5k rebate for healthcare??? I'm popping a Xanax. I spent over $1500 last year on copays alone.

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ALASKA!!!

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

Oh - bring out the drillbabydrill chant! She reminds me of my smug and pissy Brownie leader when I was 8.

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

What the holy hell did she just say?! Main Street, Wall Street blah blah.

Biden is good at personal respect, political/professional disagreement.

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

I've gotta say this, Gwen Ifill wants people to answer her motherfucking questions.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo

Haha, that's why I loved Lehrer. PBS folks don't take no shit.

Posted by: Kayanne at October 2, 2008 9:30 PM

Energy independence is the key to MY BALLS.

(I'm trying to imply that Sarah Palin should suck my balls)

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 9:31 PM

GODDAMNIT, I SAID ANSWER THE MOTHERFUCKING QUESTION!!!! GAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ASKED YOU!!!! You can't just say "I don't want to answer that question, because I know the answer is bad," can you? Because I'm pretty sure that's what she just did.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

"Governor Palin, what's your opinion on the Economic Bailout?"

"I think blue is a really pretty color. Red is a neat color, too. Golly geez, I'm not sure which one I like better. Ya know, one time when Todd and I went to a carnival in the midwest, John McCain, a MAVERICK, was there and blahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaa"

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

I don't want to talk about the reasons for climate change, but we have to stop it. Huh?

Posted by: Gamal at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

GEE Paddydog you may just have something there

Posted by: mswas at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

!Energy! Maverick! Patriotism! Lipstick! Soccer Pit Bull Mom!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

Where the fuck are you going to get $700 billion worth of oil in american soil, you stupid bint?

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

Hah! I don't want to "argue" about the reasons for climate change.

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:32 PM

"What we will deal with is that to find the root cause of the problems because I was the first governor to set up a climate subcommittee."

Her rhythm is faltering! She's stammering! Punch her in the fucking neck Joe!!! I smell blood!!!!

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:33 PM

I blame dinosaurs.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:34 PM

Gwen Ifill totally rocked that question- you want to talk about Energy how about Climate Change (you oil crazed Alaskan!)

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 9:34 PM

Damn. Paris Hilton's energy policy was more convincing.

I just wish she would stop smirking while Biden talks. It makes me wanna cut a bitch.*

*Please note that, in the Girlnone vernacular, "bitch" is a gender-neutral term. I don't hate Palin because she's a woman, but because she a dumb, smug sycophant.

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 9:34 PM

She won't even answer a straight question on climate change. Also, I don't think AK is the main state to deal with climate change effects. Ask the Gulf States who get raped by superhurricanes every year.

Hahaha! Biden just totally bitchslapped her on climate change. "It's manmade." Yes! Call them out on the drilling! It'll take ten years!

Peggy shut UP about your "energy producing state." Every one of your citizens gets a fucking PDF check annually because of your drilling.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

drill baby drill? I think I definitely have alcohol poisoning.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

You sound like a game show host.

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

Did she just say Senator OBIDEN!!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

Oh jesus, she just said "raping"

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

Make 'em pay for the rape kits for the environment.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

The people chanting "Drill baby, drill" are not talking about oil, Governor.

They're talking about your ass, trust me.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

Oh wow, she's looking at him now. But blinking A LOT. Is she trying to wish him away?

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

"Nucular"

She actually said "nucular."

I've never felt so stabby.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

Senator Obama... and Senator OBiden.

She's flustered. Kill her now! Get her! Bring me the fucking gun I'll do it for you. Throw her a rubix cube and watch her head explode! Jingle your keys and confuse her! Ask her what her favorite flavor of ice cream is!

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

The people chanting "Drill baby, drill" are not talking about oil, Governor.

They're talking about your ass, trust me.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

OHHHHH OF COURSE! The EARTH is raping the environment! Why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: Alex at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

TK, now, mind your blood pressure. We need you to vote.

I am LOVING Gwen Ifill!

(You know they'll be crying partisanship tomorrow morning)

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:36 PM

Make 'em pay for the rape kits for the environment.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:35 PM

Oh Jesus, Cindy. You're fucking brilliant.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:37 PM

Hellz yeah! Equals rights for gay couples!

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 9:37 PM

"I am tolerant."
OohWhaaaaaaaaaat?

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:38 PM

I AM tolerant! ...I just don't want them to have equal rights.

Posted by: Gabs at October 2, 2008 9:38 PM

I'm tolerant, unless it's about them homos and Non-Christians!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:38 PM

"I'm not homophobic. Why, some of my best friends are gay!"

Posted by: monkey_b at October 2, 2008 9:38 PM

No one would ever propose it, but we'll totally enact that shit.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

she's straight-up yo!

Posted by: joe at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

I'm tolerant...of lactose.

Posted by: Gib at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

Tolerant? How very civil. And Biden and Obama can fuck off with their mealy-mouthed shit.

Posted by: Farfalina at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

I love me teh gayz, but don't you dare think of treating them like adults.


Oh, and fuck you too, Joe.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

Homo's are not allowed to be married, and that's the fact jack

Posted by: jesse jackson at October 2, 2008 9:39 PM

Tolerant. Tolerant. Tolerant???? You fucking whench! I'm sure the gay community appreciates you fucking olive branch.

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

She almost choked on her words when talking about gay marriage. AWESOME!

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

Go suck McCain's dick!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

SHE SO SAID NUCULAR! And she flubbed up the same sex couple rights questions with her "choice" shizz.

Posted by: Miranda at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

EXIT STRATEGY. NOT THE SURGE. GO FOR KO JOE.

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

Oh, wait. We don't support gay marriage, we just support marriage-like unions. Separate but equal+separation of church and state=civil unions, I guess.

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

Who wants to diagram her sentences? Anyone?

Posted by: eastvillagenyc73 at October 2, 2008 9:40 PM

Don't let the gays get married!!! It will bring about the End of Days!

Wait, the surge worked? Do I live under a rock?

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

Tolerant, sure...of lactose, maybe.

Posted by: Gib at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

SHE'S GONNA CRY!!!! BRING THE TEARS BITCH!!! It worked for Hillary in NH, but it won't work for you!

Posted by: rorny at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

Early withdrawal? You should talk to your daughter about that.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

OH SWEET JUMPING FLAMING CRACKER SANDWICH!!! I cannot fucking take this pointlessly stupid bullshit condesending non-answering pointless fucking run around. "Drill Baby Drill"? Where the fuck are you spending your Saturday nights at woman? Alaska? You are aware they are more states in the union than ALASKA? That is the most nonsensical answer that I have ever, EVER, EVER heard in my entire life.

CAN YOU NOT ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION YOU STUPID, INCOMPETENT JACKASS?

GAH. Can we get a fucking redo?

Posted by: Melody at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

All of you liberals on here, are crying that Hillary ain't up there!
Boo-hoo,,,,
Obama's military plan,,he has one?
Pa-leez my negroes!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 9:42 PM

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

****

Love you, Nicole.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:42 PM

OooH. So now all the Sunnis are good and peaceful? It's the Shias only causing problems?

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 2, 2008 9:42 PM

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:41 PM

That made me GUFFAW!! Thanks, Nicole!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:42 PM

she totally pulled the 'i have gay friends' card just now...

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

"We don't believe in early withdrawal." Neither does your daughter, obviously.

Now that....is a snap.

Posted by: Jay at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

SHE'S GONNA CRY!!!! BRING THE TEARS BITCH!!! It worked for Hillary in NH, but it won't work for you!

Posted by: rorny at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

.....Ooh boy, she's getting desperate. "You guys?"

Thank god that fucking smirk is gone.

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

How did she not learn her lesson when she made a joke about Joe being old? If John McCain voted against the funding bill w/o a timeline attached, YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS A TALKING POINT AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!!

Also, how does the surge work? Explain that to me, crazy lady.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

shes struggling. Go for KO

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 9:43 PM

White flag of surrender?????????? Is she fucking daft? (rhetorical question...we all know the answer)

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:44 PM

Early withdrawal? You should talk to your daughter about that.

That is not part of the abstinence manifesto.

Posted by: Melody at October 2, 2008 9:44 PM

Don't have an answer?

It's ad hominem time, baby!!!!!

Posted by: Billowing Backpacks at October 2, 2008 9:45 PM

Smooches, Anne.

Look at Biden smirking at her, not condescendingly, but in a "Dear Godtopus, this woman is an automated blowup doll from Manny's Sex Emporium."

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:45 PM

Yes, Joe. Facts.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:45 PM

Yay, a nuclear question! I can't wait to hear her answer this.

Posted by: Gabs at October 2, 2008 9:45 PM

And Obama wants to have a good old fashioned fireside chat with Iran's fuckup of a president, and any other socialist fuckwad of a dictator.
Slap them on the wrist and say, don't do that.
It really worked with Bill Clinton, his laissez-faire policy with the Middle East and terrorists.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 9:46 PM

3 Senators and 1 Governor. It's like a chicken in the fox den.

She keeps talking like she has had any control/vote in foreign affairs or the national economic crisis.

We're talking military surge/withdrawal. They're not talking about USAID, DoJ, USDA, DoEnergy people who are all over Iraq.

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 9:46 PM

She's stopped looking at him again, even when answering him. It's all podium or camera. Maybe her internal monologue song has switched to Benny Hill?

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:46 PM

Talibani? Nucular?

That's it. I am turning on the closed captioning.

How I wish the Daily Show did running debate commentary.

Posted by: Melody at October 2, 2008 9:47 PM

Governor Palin: CITES AL QAEDA


Just whose side is she on?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

Please correct her pronunciation. Please, please.

Posted by: Billowing Backpacks at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

Smack her. If she says "Nucular" one more motherfucking time! Smack her!!!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

THE CASTROS

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

"Nucular weapons, nucular energy."

Do they not have "Bushism" calendars in Alaska?

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

Where's Todd? Is Todd in the house?

Can he come to the podium please and jam his dick in her mouth until she learns how to properly say the word nuclear. I'm going to have a seizure. lkDNVL'N EKN'ALEK J'AO 'AOR ]'APORJ]GP AOJEGPE

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

"Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, period."

I'd like to pull a Barlett on this: what are the next ten words? And the ten after that? Does she even know whya nuke Iran is dangerous?

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:48 PM

Yeah damn right you worry about the Castro's- those boys will puff cigar smoke in your face if you piss them off! I hear they're even more dangerous than those Commie Smother's Brothers.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 9:49 PM

Most of our Presidents are former governor's!

The Dem's can't admit the Surge worked, now it's all about Afghanistan, and before they wanted to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan!!

Blowing like the wind!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 9:49 PM

I counted at least 5 nuculars there.

Posted by: Gabs at October 2, 2008 9:49 PM

So, at least Biden came down strong on same-sex benefits.
Honestly, I don't care if I can say that I'm "married" to my damn girlfriend or not. I'm just tired of making sure I always know where my notarized medical power of attorney is in case something happens. I want to not be embroiled in paperwork for the rest of our lives together. Just one piece of paper that says "they are together until they decide otherwise and with that comes the following automatic rights." Call it mawwiage for all I fucking care.
And if Palin says NUCULAR one more time Imma shank her.

Posted by: Sharon at October 2, 2008 9:49 PM

She stole that hard work serious people thing from Bush.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:50 PM

She did NOT just talk about women's rights.

Oh, I am going to break some shit soon.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:50 PM

I wish I had CSPAN so I could see them both at the same time.

When are the repubs going to retire the "they hate our freedoms!" sheesh.

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 9:50 PM

I seriously can't spend another four years listening to someone mispronounce "nuclear" again.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I think someone who can't speak properly is the REAL enemy of America.

"Back ye up there!" YAH!

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 9:50 PM

They HATE what we stand for, with our FREEDOMS!

US VERSUS THEM! GEE GOLLY!

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:51 PM

Didn't this twat slam Kissinger in the Couric interview?

Jab, Joe, jab! Kidney punch! Go for the diplomacy KO!!! Ooooh, deliver the Spain roundhouse!

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:51 PM

The foreign dictators are trying to destroy our freedoms and precious bodily fluids!

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 9:51 PM

Jesse still hasn't said "the question is moot" which, again, is my favorite bit of his appearance on Saturday Night Live, and this is the perfect situation. I'm really disappointed.

Posted by: Jay at October 2, 2008 9:52 PM

I'm with you TK, she needs to answer the MOTHEREFFING QUESTIONS!!! It's almost 4 am here and I'm watching this alone in bed, but I am breaking out the beers now. Fuck me she just said nucular again, and again, and again! Aaaargh! After blaming Irak on Petraeus? The woman is nuts, I'm breaking out in hyves. Diplomacy is very important? Ya'd think! Yes, I'm running to the fridge now, before I throw my tv out the window...

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 9:52 PM

I think she's blinking back some tears

Posted by: Austin at October 2, 2008 9:52 PM

yeah, she's not one to talk about women's rights like they're something she supports

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 9:53 PM

I think she's blinking back some tears

Posted by: Austin at October 2, 2008 9:53 PM

I'm glad we've all decided that a second Holocaust is a bad thing.

OR DID WE?

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:53 PM

Biden to Palin: I can't fucking believe how fucking stupid you are.

Here, let me give you a laundry list of things I've done in the senate to secure Israel when you were still pretending to be a sportscaster.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 9:54 PM

TK, I think that a flamethrower is the most appropriate tool in this situation.

Posted by: Melody at October 2, 2008 9:54 PM

Look at that smile that lit up her face when he mentioned Codoleeza Rice. I could read exactly what she was thinking : "Ooh, she's a woman. Just like me. We're exactly alike.Vote for me ladies!"

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 9:54 PM

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 9:54 PM

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 9:55 PM

Didn't this twat slam Kissinger in the Couric interview?

Jab, Joe, jab! Kidney punch! Go for the diplomacy KO!!! Ooooh, deliver the Spain roundhouse!

We all love Israel!

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:55 PM

hahaha, as soon as Palin said "glad we agree about Israel" Biden took a huge sniff through his nose, like an anger management technique.

Posted by: Sharon at October 2, 2008 9:56 PM

If she winks at me one more time I swear I'm throwing my shoe at the tv.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 9:56 PM

Ahh, she said it wrong RIGHT AFTER it was said correctly, TWICE. AGHGGGHh.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 9:56 PM

Your mother told you not to point fingers unless you point them at Democrats.
IS SHE DRUNK?

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 9:56 PM

MMMMMAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK! YOUUUU BETCHA!

I'm listening to this online. Biden sounds so wise. Palin sounds nervous.

What's the visual like?

Posted by: BG at October 2, 2008 9:57 PM

NU-Clear. NOT Nu-cu-lear.

I give up. I need another Xanax.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:57 PM

THERE IS NO SAFE STABLE WAY TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 9:58 PM

WHY, does she never ANSWER THE F-ING QUESTION!!! She always steers the conversation towards things she can address and never talks about what the issue is that is on the F-ING table.

I cannot believe that this is for real.

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 9:58 PM

NU-Clear. NOT Nu-cu-lear.

I give up. I need another Xanax.

So, we're not blowing up Afghani villages?

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 9:58 PM

NUCLEAR! IT'S NUCLEAR, YOU FUCKING MUSH-MOUHTED HALFWIT! NUCLEAR NUCLEAR NUCLEAR NUCLEAR!!!!!"

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 9:58 PM

Thank you.

Jeez.

Now I can go back to my Guinness, Zaxby's and The Wire (I'm trying to stay relaxed, you see. Thus, cannot watch this live).

Posted by: Jay at October 2, 2008 9:59 PM

Kind of late to the game here, but man, does Palin look like shit in HD or what? Is it just CNN, or is it just me?

And I want to know who coached both her and McCain to turn the condecension up to 11. She's coming off less like a tough broad and more like a petulant bitch.

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 9:59 PM

Lies all lies, no civillians died in Irak, those lies hurt our cause. Has that women EVER read a newspaper?

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 9:59 PM

well, shes smiling a lot, in that creepy way. and he's mostly stone faced and collected

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 10:00 PM

Palin is a fucking idiot, but I'd still bang the hell out of her dumb ass. It would make abandoning her afterwards that much easier.

Posted by: Gamal at October 2, 2008 10:00 PM

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 10:00 PM

Biden flat out lied,
Obama claimed in the debate last week,
he would sit down with Fuckjemejhad

The question is moot bitches

I have to defend a fine white ass like Palin though!

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 10:00 PM

Palin is a fucking idiot, but I'd still bang the hell out of her dumb ass. It would make abandoning her afterwards that much easier.

Posted by: Gamal at October 2, 2008 10:00 PM

NUKULUR isn't a fucking word your fucking cunt. Godtopus, I think I just had a brain aneurysm.


Also, Joe Biden OWNED her on Afghanistan. Owned. It was fucking incredible.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:01 PM

HAHAHAHA. Biden's sighs make me hard.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:01 PM

Your mother told you not to point fingers unless you point them at Democrats.
IS SHE DRUNK?

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 10:02 PM

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:02 PM

Our local paper is The Delaware News Journal.

I put the odds on the following headline tomorrow at 2:3.

"Joe Biden Goes Into Debate And Gets Some Stinky On His Hang-down, Shows Palin The Door"

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 10:02 PM

Did anyone else notice that she looks like she's wearing the hair equivalent of a beaver hat?

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 10:03 PM

And I'm going to slap Mr. Kolby - he keeps switching to the Cubs game! What the fuck?!

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:03 PM

MMMMMAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK! YOUUUU BETCHA!

I'm listening to this online. Biden sounds so wise. Palin sounds nervous.

What's the visual like?

Posted by: BG at October 2, 2008 10:03 PM

Thank you.

Jeez.

Now I can go back to my Guinness, Zaxby's and The Wire (I'm trying to stay relaxed, you see. Thus, cannot watch this live).

Posted by: Jay at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

"washington outsider"

AAAAAA
you dumb adlfjdfaldjfadjf

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

WHY, does she never ANSWER THE F-ING QUESTION!!! She always steers the conversation towards things she can address and never talks about what the issue is that is on the F-ING table.

I cannot believe that this is for real.

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

isn't the fucking question about darfur? bitch when will you fucking answer the fucking question?

Posted by: whatthefuck? at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

Washington outsidurrrrrr

Posted by: BG at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

I'm remembering correctly - she said "Castro brothers", right? Think Piper's fandom of the Jonas Brothers influenced that phrase?

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 10:04 PM

elizabeth may (green party) is making everyone else look ridiculous.

sorry, i'm watching the canadian debate.
yours is so predictable.

Posted by: celery at October 2, 2008 10:05 PM

Did anyone else notice that she looks like she's wearing the hair equivalent of a beaver hat?

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 10:05 PM

god i hate the condescending SIGHING.

She hits all the bullet points and has NO clue about the details.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:06 PM

I'm remembering correctly - she said "Castro brothers", right? Like the Jonas Brothers but with facial hair and penises?

Posted by: sappho at October 2, 2008 10:06 PM

Biden just won my neverending love for mentioning Darfur.

"Oooh, I'm an outsider." THIS MEANS YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED.

Alaska has nothing to do with Darfur! Gah.

I need a cigarette. Fill me in on what I miss in the next 5 minutes.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 10:06 PM

..Did she just call him a liar?

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 10:07 PM

Ooh the heartbeat away, here it comes!!!

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 10:08 PM

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:08 PM

Knows how to win a war?

Does she know that we lost Vietnam?

"Hey, fuck you and your 'facts', my flag pin is big and sparkly!"

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:08 PM

christ, people, I can't even keep up with the posting... i'm surprised the server hasn't crashed.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:08 PM

Biden: Bosniacs?
The general in Iraq says a surge won't work in Afghanistan, then he lists what they need, troops, finances: sounds like a surge to me

Now we need to intervene in Darfur based upon genocide and the oppression of human rights,,,sounds like Iraq with Saddaam mofo Hussein

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

Palin would make a great first lady, for sure, but not a great "First Dude's" wife.

Posted by: G$ at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

isn't the fucking question about darfur? bitch when will you fucking answer the fucking question?

Posted by: whatthefuck? at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

Her speech sounds so shaky and rushed, where Biden has this calm, confident timber.

Since 1932? Really? Wow. Pressure.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

Biden just won my neverending love for mentioning Darfur.

"Oooh, I'm an outsider." THIS MEANS YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED.

Alaska has nothing to do with Darfur! Gah.

I need a cigarette. Fill me in on what I miss in the next 5 minutes.

McCain knows nothing about winning a war. We lost in Vietnam.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

John McCain does not know how to win a war. He does not, however, know how to fly.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

WTF?

Someone give the girl a map, and tell her what the subject was.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

Oooh a Team of Mavericks!! That's like a cuntload of twats, right?

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

HOW? HOW are you going to change Washington?

You have NO CLUE about how Washington works?!

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

We need a little Wasilla.

Where can I find that bumpersticker?

Posted by: Billowing Backpacks at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

No, no, no - he doesn't want you to check your opnions at the door - just your brain.

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:10 PM

The Country immediately North of Israel.
What is, um, Palestine? No can't say that out loud.

Biden thought bubble: You're an idiot. An intellectual midget. I don't how to rebut your gibberish.

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 10:11 PM

I had to turn it off. Jesus fuck my head aches.

If McCain thought he had to have a running mate with a cooter, there are several qualified Republicans who would have fit the bill. Elizabeth Dole. Kaye Bailey Hutchison. Et al. I mean, I despise them; but they're women with genuine political chops. Why'd he pick this numb c*nt? Why?

And that tone--it makes me want to kill her, literally kill her with my bare hands. It's the voice of a nursery school teacher giving a good-natured scolding. Smirking b*tch.

I'm not lying about the headache.

Posted by: Jerce at October 2, 2008 10:11 PM

I'm gonna keep pushing him on ANWR because I fucking hate polar bears.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:11 PM

I really just thought she said she wanted to talk about the "N" word, and I got a fit of glee as my mind pictured her backstage handlers heads exploding in a Scanners-style spray of gore.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 10:11 PM

A team of mavericks!

Washington outsider!

Everyday American!

WHY WON'T SHE STOP SMILING AND ANSWER A DAMN QUESTION HOW DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE ANYTHING ,TO DO WITH HOW A PALIN ADMIN WOULD DIFFER FROM A MCCAIN ADMIN SHE'S MAKING RANDOM COMMAS APPEAR IN MY COMMENTS WTFGODDAMNIT.

DOG GONE IT? REALLY? ''OH, DOGGONE IT, BIN LADEN, WHY'D YA GO AND BOMB US AGAIN? GOLLY!''

Posted by: Gabs at October 2, 2008 10:13 PM

"Say it ain't so, Joe."

Make her stop talking about her own fucking family . . . "blah blah blah, my family, blah"

Kill the Palin bot, the wires are obviously frying.

Posted by: Sharon at October 2, 2008 10:13 PM

"we're mavericks!"

I just chipped a molar from grinding my teeth so hard.

No joking.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 10:13 PM

Our local paper is The Delaware News Journal.

I put the odds on the following headline tomorrow at 2:3.

"Joe Biden Goes Into Debate And Gets Some Stinky On His Hang-down, Shows Palin The Door"

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 10:13 PM

The implications may be less earth-shaking but the Canadian debate is miles better - 5 civilised people with a moderator and viewer's questions - not bad at all. Celery I don't see how Liz May can be seen as winning this, while she's definitely holding her own Harper's staying ahead with a very determined Layton chomping on his ass. Dion is carrying too much Liberal baggage and incomprehensibility to do well, and Duceppe just ain't relevant enough.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 10:14 PM

All those fifth graders are totally voting for her. Luckily they can't vote.

Of course she knows what a vp does. Now lets quickly move on before she actually has to explain it.

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

pay the teachers more so they can teach creationism and abstinence? that's what we need...

Posted by: whatthefuck at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

I really just thought she said she wanted to talk about the "N" word, and I got a fit of glee as my mind pictured her backstage handlers heads exploding in a Scanners-style spray of gore.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

She memorized what a veep does!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

Palin would make a great first lady, for sure - dagnabbit and darn tootin,' but we are not voting for the "First Dude's" wife, we are voting for someone who could be the next president.

Posted by: G$ at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

"I'm thankful the constitution allows a bit more authority for the VP"

Um...it doesn't, Peggy. Have you read the constitution? Because it doesn't do that at all. You stupid, stupid, stupid child.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

She was 'tapped' by McCain??... mwahahaha

Posted by: chris at October 2, 2008 10:15 PM

Your vagina is wholly the reason you were the pick, motherfucker.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:17 PM

oh. my. god. should i be embarrassed when a watch a Vice Presidential debate?

Posted by: aidan at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

I really wish she'd stop talking about the "American People", because don't know who she means when she says that, it should be "My Voting Base"... cuz I have NOTHING in common it seems with the "American People" she is referring to. I

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

What is she talking about? She lost me when she started on her "executive experience." Did that really have anything to do with what she was supposed to b talking about?

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

She was 'tapped' by McCain??... mwahahaha

Posted by: chris at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

I liked Joe's answer about the vice-presidency.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

I bet he has tapped her.....he has a history of infidelity after all.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 10:18 PM

"we're mavericks!"

I just chipped a molar from grinding my teeth so hard.

No joking.

Liked that shot at Cheney though, Joe.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

*smack*

Did you hear that? That was the sound of Biden bitchslapping Dick Cheney.

Can Palin just start crying and run off stage, please?

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

YES!!! Thank you for talking about the bastardization of the VP's office by Cheney!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

Vague-a-licious and absolutely not on point. That sums up Palin.

Biden is doing his thing, smooth and easy. Good on him. Thanks for answering ALL the f-ing questions when asked. You rock.

Posted by: shiftybuns at October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

Call me crazy but did she compare foreign countries getting nuclear weapons to teens getting their hands on birth control?? PLEASE tell me I heard that wrong and she's not THAT fucking retarded.

Posted by: petalfrog at October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

She memorized what a veep does!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:20 PM

heh she must have had one hell of a set of flashcards to study for this thing

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 10:21 PM

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

Say it ain't so Joe.

Posted by: Vee at October 2, 2008 10:21 PM

What is your real weakness? Well Alaska and my retarded kid and shining city on a hill, and bla bla bla. Why is no one calling her on this?

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 10:21 PM

Biden's family talk just fucking ASSRAPED anything about Track and Trig and Tracheotomy.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:22 PM

GOS SHE MUST STOP WINKING AT THE CAMERA, OH MY GOD.

She also just said "Equal Rice." I hate my life.

Posted by: Tammy at October 2, 2008 10:22 PM

She wants more authority given to the VP? Oh sweet jesus! I just died inside.

"A teacher's reward is in heaven". Yeah. Coz the Repugs don't believe in paying them a solid wage here on earth.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 2, 2008 10:22 PM

Go Biden, for not pretending you're some Average Joe like certain others. Thank you for owning up to the fact that you make a good wage, that you own a nice home. And THANK YOU for undermining her attempt at emotional connection with the "common" man.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

I will not allow my brain to explode. I will not allow my brain to explode. She refused to answer, or perhaps did not understand, the question. Is she saying she doesn't have any flaws?

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

The implications may be less earth-shaking but the Canadian debate is miles better - 5 civilised people with a moderator and viewer's questions - not bad at all. Celery I don't see how Liz May can be seen as winning this, while she's definitely holding her own Harper's staying ahead with a very determined Layton chomping on his ass. Dion is carrying too much Liberal baggage and incomprehensibility to do well, and Duceppe just ain't relevant enough.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

I will not allow my brain to explode. I will not allow my brain to explode. She refused to answer, or perhaps did not understand, the question. Is she saying she doesn't have any flaws?

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

OMG!
The women does NOT know what her Achilles heel means.
OMG.
I just feel so sorry for her.

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

Call me crazy but did she compare foreign countries getting nuclear weapons to teens getting their hands on birth control?? PLEASE tell me I heard that wrong and she's not THAT fucking retarded.

Exactly PaddyDog I said the EXACT same thing about "teacher's reward in heaven." Give me a break.

Posted by: petalfrog at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

Oh Joe! I'll hold you! My immediate reaction to him choking up is that he's the greatest man alive.

Also, I love how she didn't even fucking acknowledge it.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

"John McCain has been there. He knows how to win the wars. He seen it."

This may be in bad taste...but it what I do. Last time I checked...John McCain didn't know how to win. Last time I checked...he got his ASS kicked in Vietnam. They kinda made him their bitch. Oh...yeah...and THAT WAR he was in that made him know how to 'Win'...Sarah...honey. We took an L on that one. I think I read that in one of those things with all the paper it it. With all the words. And it told tales of things that happened before. Shit what was it called... I think it was my son's hockey schedule. Darn tootin...that was it.

Posted by: PissBoy at October 2, 2008 10:23 PM

Maverick count: 7

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

ONCE AGAIN SHE REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION?! HOW TOUGH IS IT TO JUST SAY "I'M NEW TO THE NATIONAL STAGE, AND AM READY TO GO THROUGH THE TOUGH LEARNING PROCESS THAT MUST OCCUR SO THAT I CAN SERVE YOU WELL"? I MEAN FUCK! at least Biden answered. and got kinda teary for a second about his dead wife.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

Maverick! It's the Tom Cruise Scientology campaign. Everyone jump on a couch and yell "Energy"!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

lordhelmet
i didn't mean that she's winning, i just find her to be a level above the others, intellectually.

did you hear dion in french the other night? (yes, americans, we have a french and an english debate) he sounded much better.

i loathe stephen harper. we need a coalition government to take him down this time. the multi-party state doesn't work when there are three decent parties and one, big evil one laughing while the decent people's vote splits.

Posted by: celery at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

Maverick count: 11

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

The Country immediately North of Israel.
What is, um, Palestine? No can't say that out loud.

Biden thought bubble: You're an idiot. An intellectual midget. I don't how to rebut your gibberish.

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 10:24 PM

Biden: "John McCain isn't a maverick...he's Goose, maybe Jester, not Maverick."

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

FINALLY.

Take your fucking maverick bullshit and cram it up your stupid Joe Six-Pack ASS, you dumb shit.

Well done, Joe.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

*smack*

Did you hear that? That was the sound of Biden bitchslapping Dick Cheney.

Can Palin just start crying and run off stage, please?

Posted by: Girlnone at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

How do you preach reform when you are the INCUMBANT party? It's like "O Brother Where Art Thou", except Pappy O'Daniels had the good sense to slap the shit out of his idiot son who suggested running on that platform.

Posted by: Vee at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

That death's-head smile is 100% pageant training. In fact, I have the distinct impression she feels this is a beauty pageant.

What's most depressing for me, apart from my ability to hear her, is watching the feedback meters.

Posted by: Gib at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

FINALLY.

Take your fucking maverick bullshit and cram it up your stupid Joe Six-Pack ASS, you dumb shit.

Well done, Joe.

Posted by: TK at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

lordhelmet
i didn't mean that she's winning, i just find her to be a level above the others, intellectually.

did you hear dion in french the other night? (yes, americans, we have a french and an english debate) he sounded much better.

i loathe stephen harper. we need a coalition government to take him down this time. the multi-party state doesn't work when there are three decent parties and one, big evil one laughing while the decent people's vote splits.

Posted by: celery at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

Palin: "Maverick Maverick Maverick!"

Biden: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Palin: "INCONCEIVABLE!"

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

How do you preach reform when you are the INCUMBANT party? It's like "O Brother Where Art Thou", except Pappy O'Daniels had the good sense to slap the shit out of his idiot son who suggested running on that platform.

Posted by: Vee at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

Joe was more on point, smoother and a better debater.

But she held her own. She did not wilt under pressure. And her groupies will sing her praises.

Now watch Fox say Ifill was too nice to Joe.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

OMG!
The women does NOT know what her Achilles heel means.
OMG.
I just feel so sorry for her.

Posted by: Jules at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

Our Canadian prime ministerial candidates are debating tonight too, but none of them are anywhere near as retardedly entertaining as Palin, so I keep switching back to the American stations... Good godtopus she's awful.

Posted by: b at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

ONCE AGAIN SHE REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION?! HOW TOUGH IS IT TO JUST SAY "I'M NEW TO THE NATIONAL STAGE, AND AM READY TO GO THROUGH THE TOUGH LEARNING PROCESS THAT MUST OCCUR SO THAT I CAN SERVE YOU WELL"? I MEAN FUCK! at least Biden answered. and got kinda teary for a second about his dead wife.

Posted by: Rorny at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 10:28 PM

It's a diverse family, cuz of the imbreeding.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

That death's-head smile is 100% pageant training. In fact, I have the distinct impression she feels this is a beauty pageant.

Posted by: Gib at October 2, 2008 10:27 PM

Dead on, Gib. I'm surprised she's not standing with her thumb along her asscrack.

"I like to answer these tough questions"?????? YOU DIDN'T ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION BITCH GAHHBLERGAS;DLKFJASDG

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

Maverick! It's the Tom Cruise Scientology campaign. Everyone jump on a couch and yell "Energy"!

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

Oh man, the Cubs are totally choking AGAIN tonight......

Posted by: Chris at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

It's I-DEE-AL damn it! Not I-Dill, you ding dong.

How do you preach reform when you are the INCUMBANT party? It's like "O Brother Where Art Thou", except Pappy O'Daniels had the good sense to slap the shit out of his idiot son who suggested running on that platform.

Posted by: Vee at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

YOU DID NOT ANSWER A SINGLE FUCKING QUESTION YOU STUPID JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SWEAR THE ANEURYSM IS COMING.

Posted by: Melody at October 2, 2008 10:30 PM

Joe kicked Peggy's ass.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:31 PM

Oh Anne! Thank you for that. I needed a laugh after all this!

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:31 PM

I think also is her favorite word. Honestly, its only a small step away from "such as."

Posted by: Kolby at October 2, 2008 10:31 PM

Joe kicked Peggy's ass.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:31 PM

awesome Joe. God bless us all.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:33 PM

Game, set, match for the sane one!

I'm actually kind of shocked by my intens hatred of this woman. Please let the good guys win...

Posted by: Pants at October 2, 2008 10:33 PM

Lainey You're quite welcome.

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 10:34 PM

I would have done much better in college if I knew I could tell my professors that I wasn't going to answer questions like they wanted. Apparently that's OK.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:35 PM

Joe kicked Peggy's ass.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:37 PM

Godopus damn it, this flipping thing kept saying timed out connection.

My apologies Pajeoples.

Posted by: Vee at October 2, 2008 10:38 PM

Palin recited stuff she learned this week. Biden spoke naturally from knowledge and experience.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:38 PM

Oh, you think they represented their tickets well, do you?

HGAHAHAHA, "The bar was set pretty darn low for Palin"

Posted by: Anne at October 2, 2008 10:39 PM

Yeah, Cindy, but her base doesn't give a shit.

They don't care that she regurgitated factoids she learned this week; they will see this as PROOF that the Lipsticked Bulldog should be in the White House.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:40 PM

The smiling she's doing is typical of women who've been told that being pretty and submissive (smile, headtilt to expose the vulnerable jugular) is more important than being intelligent or informed.

Posted by: TiredOfPseudoFeminists at October 2, 2008 10:40 PM

I would have done much better in college if I knew I could tell my professors that I wasn't going to answer questions like they wanted. Apparently that's OK.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:35 PM

I know, right? I'm going to try this in my next budget meeting at work. "I know you asked for the numbers on salary increases, but I don't want to answer that. I want to talk about the dress code." Yep, you betcha' I'm gonna' see how that goes over tomorrow. 'Cause I'm a Maverick.

Posted by: Lainey at October 2, 2008 10:41 PM

Joe Biden is my homeboy. He smote Palin! Smoted her! But I really think that although we believe her performance to be frightening, I think the majority of people who were undecided saw her connect with 'teh people', and that's what she needed to do.

Posted by: Marra at October 2, 2008 10:46 PM

Commercial idea:

Start with Sarah Palin's "I'm not going to answer your questions" quote.

The Obama/Biden campaign wishes to congratulate Governor Sarah Palin on doing well in her own private debate.

Then show pictures of puppies and kittens.


Win.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at October 2, 2008 10:46 PM

CNN's got a poll up re:who fared better. Over 70% say Biden did. I voted. (I know, I know. But those Republicans do love to cite poll numbers, so while I would normally roll my eyes I feel the need to cast a vote.)

Also, they have a transcript of the debate up already if anyone wants to dig out some nuggets.

Posted by: Sara at October 2, 2008 10:50 PM

I understand that Stella, but I think the independents are the key ingredient this time.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:52 PM

Your hope makes me teary-eyed, Cindy. My faith was shattered 8 years ago, and then spit on 4 years ago.

There's not much left.

Posted by: Stella at October 2, 2008 10:54 PM

I have to have hope. I can't get through this any other way.

I also don't think it will be as easy to steal an election this time - and that if they tried, Obama would be a fighter.

Posted by: Cindy at October 2, 2008 10:56 PM

The whole time I kept hoping she'd double in size and grow horns and claws and turn red with fire coming out her eyes and she'd say in a deep voice, "I'M THE DEVIL!"

But it didn't happen.

Posted by: Lucas at October 2, 2008 10:56 PM

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 10:57 PM

er. we need a coalition government to take him down this time. the multi-party state doesn't work when there are three decent parties and one, big evil one laughing while the decent people's vote splits.

Celery, I disagree with you on Harper and his alleged evilness, but I'm ok to disagree with you peacefully on that. May has some ideas but she's too immature and optimistic with fiscal realities and futures (tear up NAFTA??? That'll screw BC and Quebec on softwood alone!) - to me she's still in the minor leagues but next election she'll be a very serious contender. Layton's next best - he's just now tearing Dion a new one and is doing a damned good job holding Harper to account. Dion's a disgrace and the Liberals need a major shakeup, and Duceppe frankly doesn't matter.

I don't listen to the French debates, but it makes sense Dion would be more at home in friendly waters. A unified opposition would be good, but while Harper's not perfect he's the best choice to run the country in this economic difficulty.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 10:57 PM

so I am about an hour behind on the DVR and I think I want to jump off my balcony already b/c there are enough stupid people to elect this woman

Posted by: jmurae at October 2, 2008 10:58 PM

Also, USA Today's been fact-checking.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-02-fact-check_N.htm

"The claim: Palin said Sen. Barack Obama voted 94 times to increase taxes.

Non-partisan FactCheck.org called that count, which has been cited before by Republicans, "inflated and misleading." Examining the 94 votes at issue, FactCheck.org found that 23 were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.

Seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals, according to FactCheck.org, which is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.

The 94 tally includes two, three and even four votes on the same measure."

Posted by: Sara at October 2, 2008 11:01 PM

Sorry guys. I swear I hit Post once, I'm not that amused with myself!

Posted by: amanda47 at October 2, 2008 11:03 PM

Wealthy associate of black kingpin beats up grandma on national TV. Biden/Obama doomed.

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 2, 2008 11:12 PM

Can I just say how absolutely wierd it felt to read "Doggone it" and "say it ain't so" in a debate transcript? And I have to say how heartily disappointed I am that they corrected her pronounciation of "nuclear."
Oh well, it's not like any of the idiots who love her and missed it are going to actually read the transcript. Case in point: my current roommate and her dumb friend. "I dunno, I kinda like her." ".....Why?" "I dunno, I just do." These are the people that are voting at my school. Why did I go to a catholic college?

Posted by: Erin S at October 2, 2008 11:12 PM

did biden just debate tina fey?

Posted by: ja at October 2, 2008 11:14 PM

did biden just debate tina fey?

Posted by: ja at October 2, 2008 11:14 PM

did biden just debate tina fey?

Posted by: ja at October 2, 2008 11:14 PM

did biden just debate tina fey?

Posted by: ja at October 2, 2008 11:14 PM

"He is the man we need to leave." Sarah Palin on John McCain Oct 2, St. Louis MO

Also, I think that when Al Qaeda said that Iraq was the core of the war on terror, they're talking about fighting us. They're not calling themselves the terrorists in that formula.

Joe Biden kicked Palin and McCain's ass tonight.

Whew! I feel somewhat better. I wish they would stop saying it's a close election. I makes me think cheating is in the brew.

Apparently you can check for voter registration status at voteforchange.com

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 2, 2008 11:14 PM

I think we broke the comment system there for a while. Awful lot of double and triple posts.

In any case, I hope this thread is included in the EE next week, 'cause there are some super gems buried in here.

Posted by: the_wakeful at October 2, 2008 11:18 PM

My senior seminar is focusing on Media and Politics, so we were talking about tonight's debate in class yesterday.

Someone mentioned Palin's inability to mention any newspaper that she's read. That's when I brought up the point that maybe that's why so many "Average American Voters" relate to her. As weird and as strange as it seems, many of the average voters DON'T read newspapers, DON'T know what's going on in a lot of different foreign nations and DON'T know what's going on with the economy.

My professor laughed out right at first, but then his chuckles slowly faded away and he said, "You may have a point."

Posted by: Kayanne at October 2, 2008 11:18 PM

"...while Harper's not perfect he's the best choice to run the country in this economic difficulty."

Excuse me, lordhelmet, but is this the same Stephen Harper who commented on the US financial crisis by saying: "I don't think the atmosphere should turn to one of complete doom and gloom," and that as for any economic difficulties in Canada, "[his] own belief is that if we are going to have some kind of big crash or recession, we probably would have had it by now."

Yeah, that's reassuring.

The conservative government's fiscal policies are the most in line with those that lead to the current situation south of the border.

Posted by: Layton Lover at October 2, 2008 11:30 PM

I think we need a special Friday EE for this topic.

Posted by: Nicole at October 2, 2008 11:30 PM

Um, didn't Maverick kill his co-pilot?

Goddammit, the JAG cleared him! And he was a RIO, not a co-pilot! Get off Mitchell's back!!!

Posted by: Jay at October 2, 2008 11:35 PM

GOOOOOSE!!!!

Posted by: Alex at October 2, 2008 11:42 PM

i agree vee, and am glad someone else sees the recumbent scene parallel since i just had to use that very scene in an argument against my parents about the republicans saying they're 'mavericks'

i actually can't believe i had to use a scene from a movie to illustrate my point, but i also can't believe my parents are related to me anymore

seriously though, i love that movie

Posted by: yeratomato at October 2, 2008 11:47 PM

Did Palin hunt and shoot Godzilla and take his anal beads as a trophy in that photo?

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 2, 2008 11:51 PM

Wait a minute... if Top Gun is the GAYEST movie ever, and Republicans are using the term "Maverick" to refer to each other... does that mean --- wait, what does it mean?

Posted by: Sofía at October 2, 2008 11:51 PM

Did Palin hunt and shoot Godzilla and take his anal beads as a trophy in that photo?

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: bucdaddy

bucdaddy Awesome, just awesome.

Posted by: Kayanne at October 2, 2008 11:54 PM

Layton Lover, yes Harper's corporate friendly but he is running a better ship fiscally than the Liberals ever did, and with all due respect to your namesake the NDP aren't yet adequately grounded in reality to take power - I would LOVE to see the NDP as the Official Opposition, they're great in that role here in BC but godtopus help you if you have an economy to protect and the NDP take power because they will fuck over business (as in employers) and rape the economy by signing hugely ruinous union-friendly contracts, cooking books, and letting ideology trump what should be pragmatic responses. Harper's doubt of a Canadian crash is decently founded in that our financial markets are better regulated and that even a Canadian Conservative is still a liberal anywhere else in the world.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 2, 2008 11:55 PM

A modest proposal:

In Ancient Greece everybody who went to school learned logic, reasoning and how to argue. Because everybody understood how to make a point and the sort of tactics people used when they were defending an indefensible position they could spot bullshit a mile away. This was like, a long fucking time ago. Now, the only people who are thoroughly taught logic and reasoning are lawyers.

Could there possibly be a correlation between the two? If everybody knew how to spot things like inductive reasoning, a straw man, the uselessness of anecdotal evidence and the desperation of ad hominem attacks; would that make any difference? Would people be better prepared to understand when they're being manipulated? Is the problem not that so many people in this country are "dumb" but that so many people don't know when they're being manipulated?

Posted by: Billowing Backpacks at October 2, 2008 11:58 PM

To me the real debate was going on in my head. The topic- Palin's Pubes. I can not decide whether I think she has a huge bush or a landing strip. I think you can make a case for both.

Posted by: brian at October 3, 2008 12:00 AM

Brian trust me, Palin's got a camel toe the size of a Vienna sausage, and that's ok. I'm betting she sports a bush, and personally I love a good thick bush.

Posted by: Pookie at October 3, 2008 12:12 AM

Did anybody else play Sarah Palin Bingo? I got Bingo about halfway through...
My card:
Alaska
Special Needs
"Air Space" (free space)
Hockey Mom
Terrorists

BINGO!!!

(I would have had it two ways if the bitch had only mentioned Earmarks)

Posted by: Grandma Ben at October 3, 2008 12:19 AM

Jesus, guys...we broke the Internet.

Posted by: Jerce at October 3, 2008 12:26 AM

Joe Biden refers to himself in the third person. But Palin has the deadest eyes I have ever seen.

Also Clean Coal? How stupid do you think I am. Clean coal is not clean. Jeebus.

Posted by: Haystacks at October 3, 2008 12:38 AM

Sarah Palin mistook the drowsy eye alcohol warning for a winky eye alcohol suggestion.

Bitch was trashed. Shout out to third graders everywhere.

Posted by: pschlarm at October 3, 2008 12:56 AM

Shout out to third graders everywhere.

Ha! Everyone gets extra-credit!!!

Posted by: Kayanne at October 3, 2008 1:01 AM

Oh man -I'm wasted now. I had to drink because poor Palin made me feel sorry for her. I;m gardcore! I'm tough! I have lady bits! Then I wanted to kill her. And I hate every single Canadian contender. All that points to sweet sweet plonk as the answer. I love Biden - I think he should be president. McCain is a douchebag. That's all I got, Pajiba. I have failed you. I need more booze.

Posted by: Farfalina at October 3, 2008 1:13 AM

I have a feeling that most of you commenters aren't even American therefore not even able to vote for against McCain/Palin. Biden said a lot of things that SOUNDED true, but weren't. Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's.

Dummocrats: VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN!!!!!!

Posted by: american at October 3, 2008 2:00 AM

Palin returned to the folksy, "you betcha" style of straight talk that endeared her to people at the Republican convention, and displayed a well-coached command of the facts. She didn't always answer questions, but turned that into a point of pride, saying she may not be answering the way Biden or moderator Gwen Ifill wanted to hear, but that "I'm going to talk straight to the American people."

"Sarah Palin was threatening to become an embarrassment to the Republican ticket," CNN analyst David Gergen said. "I think she erased that tonight."


From the AP article off Yahoo.

How fucking stupid is her final statement? and how equally stupid is David Gregory?

Posted by: Alex at October 3, 2008 2:18 AM

And how stupid am I for thinking of David Gregory when the quote is from David Gergen? Oh well, I already know David Gregory is a massive anal tool so I'm guessing no harm, no foul.

Posted by: Alex at October 3, 2008 2:21 AM

holy god 383 comments. YOU PEOPLE.

Posted by: figgy at October 3, 2008 2:45 AM

Figgy - Bah, it's only that low because of how slow the loads were. We'll do better next time.

Posted by: Anne at October 3, 2008 3:29 AM

Has anyone else pointed out yet that Palin is the Mom from Bobby's World?
Link! Just me?

Posted by: Anne at October 3, 2008 3:32 AM

I've slept on it, and I believe the best line of the night was when Palin proclaimed to "love Israel." Honey, it's not about "loving" a place like you "love" going to Disneyworld or the Iditarod.

Posted by: samantha t at October 3, 2008 7:33 AM

Gosh dagnit did she suck.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 3, 2008 8:39 AM

"...Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's...."


Posted by: american at October 3, 2008 2:00 AM

---------------------------------------

Eh, I think you are the one that needs to go back to Russia son.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 3, 2008 8:42 AM

So was I the only one that had trouble sleeping last night? I think "Hostel 2" would have been more relaxing them watching Palin prostrate herself before all those good old 'merican bumblefucks that buy into her folksy bullshit.

The part where she said her and McCain think the position of Vice President should have more power left me speechless. Because Cheney demonstrated how wonderful it is when a VP decided to involve himself in legislative matters and shadow dealings.

I think Biden did a great job answering the questions. Palin circled around them continuously and referred to the pat answer and talking points her handlers gave her. She held up ok, but it was like watching amateur hour out there and it showed just how far out of her depth she really is. I pray that all those "Main Streeters" and "Joe Six Packs" saw through her routine but I sadly doubt that is the case.

It doesn't really matter, no one in my office of hard core GOP supporters even bothered watching. Too busy seeing the Cubs get smoked and Survivor was on, anyway. I truly hate my fellow Americans.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 3, 2008 8:48 AM

She is just fucking "cute", "appealing" and smiley enough to bloody well convince the unwitting, easily influenced drone who is watching on Fox. Fucksticks.

Also, "Joe Six-pack"? Stupid. Stooooopid.

Also, all she does is speak in soundbites, which is exacty what George W does.

Also, WTF is with "I may not answer the questions the way you or the moderator wants, but I'm gonna speak to straight to the American people". Meaning, "I will not follow the rules of the debate, nor will I give you a straight answer, but gosh-darn I'll give you a lovely little slogan-filled soundbite".

Motherfuckinghell this makes me angry, because I fear that the Republicans will win. And this idiot, this gosh-darn-golly idiot, is going to be representing your country. (I'm Australian. Our PM is better than your POTUS - nah nah nah nah nah!!) :)

Posted by: JJ McClay at October 3, 2008 8:49 AM

TylerDFC, you're not the only one. I seriously slept for about 3 hours last night. I was out of my mind, and all the Scotch in the world couldn't help settle me down.

Posted by: TK at October 3, 2008 8:57 AM

*aw shucks hot diggity doo-da gosh naggity diddly!

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 3, 2008 9:00 AM

Wow, next time I'm up at 3AM watching AC 360, I'll be sure to think of my fellow insomniac Pajibans. So, I'l basically be thinkin' of y'all pretty much every night. Rowr.

Posted by: Kolby at October 3, 2008 9:19 AM

Kayenne,
Cool! I have a fan. Thanks!
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"Clean coal? How stupid do you think I am."
-- Haystacks

That's what I wonder when I hear the UMW tout Obama because he supports "clean coal." Anyone remember that the UMW supported Gore? I do. Talk about your irony. How stupid do they think I am?
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Seriously:

While I'm registered Republican in my state, I never let that stop me from voting for Democrats (or Libs, or anyone else) at the local and state level. I'll probably vote to re-elect the Democratic governor, for instance, because I think he's been fiscally responsible.

But the notion that I might ever vote for Democrats on the national level is pretty much squelched by the visceral hatred I hear from some of you lefties. That's an ugly trait, people, and I don't think some of you get how off-putting it is, or exactly how much it drives, for instance, the Christian right to the polls to stick it up your ass.

Possibly even some Democrats are put off by it too, because my state has a 2:1 Dem/GOP voter ratio but swung for Bush in '00 and '04 and threatens to go for McCain, and there sure was a lot of Bush hate going around those two years (as there still is). If we had gone for Gore in '00, our 5 electoral votes would have won him the election, and fuck Florida.

Think about THAT one awhile.

I'm West Virginian, and I vote.

Bob Barr '08

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 3, 2008 9:32 AM

I didn't get a chance to watch. My only comment is this: If Dan Qualye can be Vice President for 4 years then my friends, anyone and I mean anyone can be.

Posted by: bucslilm at October 3, 2008 9:32 AM

Moreover, am I correct in thinking that "Joe Six Pack" originated as a condescending insult? why would Palin et al. embrace that now? I really don't get it.

"The part where she said her and McCain think the position of Vice President should have more power left me speechless."

Ditto. And you know she was Googling "Article I" like a mofo when she got home last night.

Posted by: samantha t at October 3, 2008 10:06 AM

visceral hatred

I keep hearing that it's wrong and offensive that Democrats are so gosh darn angry about the state of the country and its government, usually from someone who's just been insulting them. Protestations of innocence, high-mindedness and "the one who's being the grownup", along with some friendly advice about how to stop acting like a fitful baby, sometimes follow.

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 10:07 AM

"...Insulting Americans is not going to win us over. If the democrats do win it will be thanks to all the dead people, pets, and repeat voters. Damn commie's...."
Posted by: american at October 3, 2008 2:00 AM

Actually you misused an apostrophe.

Posted by: Loob at October 3, 2008 10:09 AM

!?!!

is "bucslilm" the bastard child of bucdaddy and Barbado Slim??

Posted by: Anna "Knife Pile" von Beaverplatz at October 3, 2008 10:09 AM

It's ironic that Palin calls McCain "Maverick", seeing George W. Bush. was a better pilot than him.

Posted by: Sofía at October 3, 2008 10:41 AM

Is everybody gone? Hello...

Good. just wanted to make sure.

I'm going to vote for McCain. I don't like him, but I sure do think Palin's got a heckuva "can do" attitude and a girl-next-door spunk that is sure as shit gonna rattle things up in the White House. She's cute as a bug, and although she doesn't have the experience, know-how or... well, any business being President, I think we ought to give her a shot! Heavens to betsy, let's give 'er a chance! Whee!

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at October 3, 2008 10:45 AM

bucdaddy if you are voting for the president of the United States to "stick it to" people, you are a fucking idiot. And for the record, you've stuck it to yourself for the last eight years. Hope you didn't run out of lube.

Posted by: Cindy at October 3, 2008 11:02 AM

Fucking hell, I missed some good stuff here last night. Damn myself for not owning a computer! I had to settle for screaming at the tv with my roommate and texting everyone I've ever met.

Posted by: Julie at October 3, 2008 11:04 AM

Never have I read a bigger pile of steaming shit scented vitriol. Why are you all so passionate about electing a ticket bent on cramming more and more government down our throats?

Why do you think government MANDATED health care would be good for you? When has government ever done anything efficiently?

What's wrong with the concept of individuals taking care of themselves and their families & friends without being forced to pay for some program dreamed up by our 'all-knowing' government in order to buy votes from the dumb masses?

We need Washington DC to wake the fuck up and get the fuck out of our lives (or better yet just go away)- both sides of the isle. Yet you people all seem to want more regulation, more control, more rules. Never seen a bigger collection of non-conforming conformists in my life.

Posted by: Harry at October 3, 2008 11:05 AM

Why do you think government MANDATED health care would be good for you?

Obama's plan has nothing to do with government mandated health care. Why don't you go read the plan before coming here and spewing nonsense.

Posted by: Cindy at October 3, 2008 11:16 AM

Because sometimes, individuals can't take care of themselves. The elderly, the disabled, people who just can't catch a break despite trying - who've been laid off, sick child, etc... Self-sufficiency is a great concept - however, there are circumstances in which assistance is needed. More regulation, especially regarding where taxpayer money is used, and healthcare (which is a goddamed joke) is needed. Otherwise, we're looking at the class divide continuing to get larger. You wipe out the middle class, the only people who'll be self-sufficient will be the wealthy - who more than likely will have made a good chunk of their dough by ruining the middle class. Then what?

Posted by: Skittimus Maximus at October 3, 2008 11:20 AM

Skittimus: You wipe out the middle class, the only people who'll be self-sufficient will be the wealthy - who more than likely will have made a good chunk of their dough by ruining the middle class.

Yes, and...? I'm sorry, I thought that was the objective all along.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 3, 2008 11:34 AM

von beaverplatz: actually I mis-typed. It's b-u-c-s-l-i-m. But I'm wondering if one of the Von Tapp sisters had sex with the talking beaver on the Chronic - les of Narnia and Edward Platt of Get Smart fame (Chief) was giving the reach-around. And after 9 months of gestating inside Kathy Heigl, out popped you.

Posted by: bucslim at October 3, 2008 11:46 AM

*gasp*

Are you accusing me of secretly being the illegitimate daughter of a known murderer of rainbows, good sir!?

Well, i think this shall require a duel. Pistols at dawn. Good day, sir.

I said, GOOD DAY!

Posted by: Anna "Knife Pile" von Beaverplatz at October 3, 2008 11:49 AM

wheeeew. Can I add this thread to my Cannonball Read list?

Posted by: jamiepants at October 3, 2008 11:51 AM

My boyfriend has severe allergies to a bunch of stuff: dust, mold, pollen, animal hair, perfume, cologne, smoke. The dangerous part is that he has no sense of smell, so if he's breathing in these things he has no way of knowing in time. Something set him off last night and I rushed him to the hospital in a cab (his lips quickly matching his royal blue tshirt), and after full-on oxygen tubes, one Epipen thrust into his thigh and three full breath treatments of Albuteral (basically pure adrenaline in mist form), I was able to turn to him on his gurney and whisper sweetly "You made me miss the fucking debate!"

Posted by: scorzi at October 3, 2008 11:52 AM

Anybody get the feeling that most of the shit birds here made up their mind about who won the debate before it actually took place? Good to know that you're ready to make an informed choice come election day.

Posted by: sosumi at October 3, 2008 11:54 AM

Obama's plan: When healthcare is run by the government it is by definition MANDATED by the government. Have you paid any attention to Canada or England? Ever had to wait 6 months for an MRI or been denied cancer treatment cause you're too old and are going to die soon anyway?

Incompetent/Drug Addled/Mentally impaired Persons/others who can't function in a society: There are a number of avenues that could better handle caring for these people such as private charity, friends, family, Churches (Gasp!),etc. There are also STATE and LOCAL Governments who could more adequately handle these issues. Most government should be handled on the local level anyway.

As for the class divide nonsense - can I buy some pot from you? It's been dry here for a while. The only thing wiping out the middle class is the continuing expansion and regulation passed down from on high by our ruling class the Federal Government.

Posted by: Harry at October 3, 2008 11:55 AM

von beaverplatz:

I don't know if a duel will settle it. I just wanted another chance to type 'reach around' in an open forum.

Posted by: bucslim at October 3, 2008 11:57 AM

Why are you all so passionate about electing a ticket bent on cramming more and more government down our throats?...We need Washington DC to wake the fuck up and get the fuck out of our lives (or better yet just go away)- both sides of the isle. Yet you people all seem to want more regulation, more control, more rules.

If you were to check out some facts, you would be aware that government has gotten larger and more invasive in the past eight years (that's under Bush, a Republican, the so-called "less government" party) than it has since the 30s under FDR.

But I'm aware that most folks on the right have no use for facts. Facts are elitist.

And it's spelled "aisle." No doubt correct spelling is considered elitist too.

Posted by: Jerce at October 3, 2008 12:00 PM

And it's spelled "aisle." No doubt correct spelling is considered elitist too.

"both sides of the isle" could be correct...you know, like the north shore and the south shore.

Posted by: sosumi at October 3, 2008 12:10 PM

Did you just spin a misspelling?

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 12:46 PM

yeah, i'm a spin doctor. pointing out a misspelling is kind of douchie (sp?).

Posted by: sosumi at October 3, 2008 1:02 PM

"When has government ever done anything efficiently?"

Well, under the Republicans, never.

You'd think from opponents of government-provided healthcare that there was no red tape or insane delays through private insurance. Please. Ever had a dispute with these people? Ever had your doctor drop you as a patient and been unable to find somebody else? Ever been to the ER? Ever been turned away from a maternity ward whilst actively laboring b/c there weren't enough beds (yup, happened to me)? Give me a break.

And, yes, as a student-loan-having, clean-street-enjoying, subway-taking, highway-driving, public-school-attending American I DO like the government's involvement. Very much.

Posted by: samantha t at October 3, 2008 1:11 PM

No, I don't think "douchie" has a firm rule, it's pretty flexible. Me, I'd always thought of "shit bird" as one word, but that's flexible too, pretty much like "judgment" and "judgement" when used as a noun though without any dictionary oversight. However, Donnie Most said in "Stewardess School" that "blow job is two words" when correcting his crewmate's report and I stick to Donnie's rules. He knows his stuff.

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 1:21 PM

Jay,

Not saying you have no right to be angry. You have every right to be angry. Just saying that the bile and vitriol some folks here spew in a public forum is perhaps not the best way to achieve their ends.

If I don't like you, is it better for me (better for ME, I said) to inform you to your face, call you all manner of vile names, so you can be on guard and never trust me, so maybe you'll think about screwing me before I can screw you, or is it to smile at you, lull you into a false sense of security, maybe even do business with you when it's to my benefit, and then smack you with a club when you're not looking?

Because one way, I'm just a hater. The other way, I'm a politician, and them are some good jobs if you can get 'em.
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"if you are voting for president of the United States just to 'stick it to' people, you are a fucking idiot."

Shhhh ... not so loud. Probably lots of fucking id ... ahem, folks around here in who voted for Kerry in '04 just to "stick it to" Bush.
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"is 'bucslilm' the bastard child of bucdaddy and Barbado Slim?"

Can't have a child the way me and Slim do it.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 3, 2008 1:25 PM

Bucdaddy, I just read the whole transcript and I see nothing there to indicate Palin as a better choice than Biden, or McCain better than Obama. Not a single goddamn thing made me think she's anywhere near ready for the big-time. You've got some 'splainin to do - you're willing to support continued criminal incompetence just because some loudmouth Democrats hurt your feelings??? I'd understand if Obama was someone worse than he is, but even then, spoil your ballot rather than support the Republican crooks. If lots of people feel the same way and McCalin get elected, you'll lose my sympathy as you'll truly have the government you deserve. This is your chance to take back your country - do it!

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 3, 2008 1:36 PM

bucdaddy - Why, is Edward Platt involved?

Posted by: bucslim at October 3, 2008 1:40 PM

Just saying that the bile and vitriol some folks here spew in a public forum is perhaps not the best way to achieve their ends.

is it better for me (better for ME, I said) to inform you to your face, call you all manner of vile names, so you can be on guard and never trust me

Wealthy associate of black kingpin beats up grandma on national TV. Biden/Obama doomed.

Bob Barr '08

No, you're right, that doesn't make me trust Bob Barr.

Besides, you started it.

In 2000, I mean. It's a little petulance joke.

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 2:05 PM

Sorry I missed this, but I am currently computer-less at home.

Anyway, here's an encore performance, as I already shared this last week...

What Would Sarah Palin Do
(sung to the tune of "What Would Brian Boitano Do"
Link to the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGvUwx861uc )

What would Sarah Palin do
If she were here right now,
She'd run for VEEP
And wink at you
That's what Sarah Palin would do.

(background vocals "Hot! Gov! Cool! State!"
in lieu of "Fight! Skate! Fight! Skate!")

When Sarah Palin was in the pageant,
Vying for the crown,
Her Alaskan beauty told all in sight
Wasilla was best town.

When Sarah Palin became the gov,
Stopping wasteful pork,
She fired the chef and sold the plane
With Trig en route by stork.

So what would Sarah Palin do
If she were here today,
I'm sure she'd hunt a moose or two,
That's what Sarah Palin would do.

I want a voice to speak for me
One to replace my brilliant Hillary

And I just want Congress
To end partisan gridlock

For Chuck Heston I'll join the NRA too
'Cause that's what Sarah Palin would do.

And what would Sarah Palin do,
She'd leap o'er the Bering Strait
Shoot Putin dead while aiming true,
That's what Sarah Palin would do.

When Sarah Palin travelled through time
To the year 3010,
She debated godless aliens
Saving Christian truth again.

And when Sarah Palin rebuilt the White House,
She captured John Wilkes Booth
'Cause Sarah Palin unblinkingly reps A-mer-i-ca

So let's vote Republican,
And trounce celeb Obama
And we'll elect that old guy too,
'Cause that's what Sarah Palin'd do.

And we'll elect that old guy too,
'Cause that's what Sarah Palin'd do,
That's what Sarah Palin'd do.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 3, 2008 2:33 PM

probably lots of fucking id ... ahem, folks around here in who voted for Kerry in '04 just to "stick it to" Bush.

Yeah, I don't think so. Anyone voting for Kerry was just trying to get us out of the mess the Supreme Court got us into. In fact, some of us knew Bush Jr. would be a disaster before he was put in place the first time. Let me see, can't run a small business, can't own a baseball team...hmmm, maybe I can be the president! Daddy!

Posted by: Cindy at October 3, 2008 2:38 PM

Lordhelmet,

You're not paying attention:

Bob Barr '08

Now if you don't mind coming back here in a couple hours, I'll explain more fully why I'm voting Libertarian. I think it's a good explanation. But the people I work for (and I'm at work right now) insist I do some work from time to time, so I'm kinda tied up.
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Jay,

The "Wealthy associate" line was intended as a little joke too.
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Jay and Cindy,

All Gore had to do was win Tennessee (supposedly his home state), Arkansas (Clinton's home state) or West Virginia (2:1 Dem/GOP voter ratio) and Florida/Supreme Court is a moot point. How come nobody wants to point to these failures?

Maybe there's a good "what-if" novel to be written about how Gore would have handled (or who knows? mishandled just as badly) 9/11 if he'd been in the White House.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 3, 2008 4:23 PM

So then no one is culpable for voting for Bush. I see. The state of the world today is Al Gore's fault because he lost. And as Cindy said, it was already evident Bush would be a trainwreck long before November 2000. Hip hop hooray, I was right and got what I expected. The clusterfuck of that election was one thing, but the re-election via voters was one of the most vexing things I've ever witnessed.

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 4:38 PM

bucdaddy,

Al Gore would have pulled the troops out of Saudi Arabia before without proclaiming Mission Accomplished. He would have staged less photo ops and started working towards regulation of health care, and quite possibly nationalized alternative energy. I can nearly guarantee we wouldn't be in a war without end in the middle east. He would have lost in 2004 depending on how successful his other initiatives were because we can be damn sure they'd be painting him as 'weak on terror'. Pulling US occupation out of the Holy Land i.e. Mecca and Medina i.e. Saudi Arabia: the first thing Osama Bin Laden cited as reasoning for bombing US soil. A win-win for Cheney/wolfowitz and the terrorists. Mission Accomplished.

Harry,

Why are Republicans always telling people to wake up. Some of the sickest cases of denial are in your ranks. "Calling it the opposite of what it does" doctrine has been stretched as far as it can for 8 years. What your party would really like is if Americans would go back to sleep. Unfortunately, this is a living nightmare, and uppers are being transmitted through the airwaves.

You're using an improper substitution in your logic about health care. Government isn't buying up all of the specialists, drug companies, private practices, insuranc companies, and hospitals. You are able to keep your current providers and insurance. Obama is saying he's going to mandate of the health industry that they will provide vital health care to people who need it. Cancer and MS and broken bones and congenital disease won't ever destroy lives again. You see, when Democrats take money from citizens, they don't keep it for themselves.

Don't get me started on "spreading democracy" and "nation-building". That too is an improper substitution, but if you mention it I will strangle you through the computer screen. If we want to talk democracies of failed states, I'd love to move on.

whoever's left,

All politicians may lie, but the leaders in the Republican party are the cheaters and thieves. Their biggest stake in this race is preserving their ability to raise money in 2010 and 2012.

I'm not Democratic or Republican at heart, but I'm also a little too old to fight the system from a private throne. Obama is also a bridge to third parties and more statesman like Kuc and Ron. We may not agree with them, but at least they're out of generic land. At least they characterize problems, hear dissent, and steer towards resolution. At least I feel I've got the choice of picking among truths and consequences.

Posted by: jackseppelin at October 3, 2008 5:45 PM

minor aside: Bosniaks are the culturally-Muslim people of Bosnia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniak

Posted by: jeem at October 3, 2008 6:04 PM

Bucdaddy, I didn't realise what Bob Barr '08 meant - good for you then on standing by your convictions and going Independent, no further explanation needed. I'll just issue an apology for my lecture, and redirect it at the idiocrats thinking McCalin are worthy of support.

Posted by: lordhelmet at October 3, 2008 7:14 PM

Jay,
You're not reading what I wrote, you're reading what you think I wrote.
Actually, I don't blame Gore for 2000; he won the popular vote, after all. He did about everything you could ask. I'm just saying, all he had to do was win one of those three states which might naturally have gone for him or gone Democratic. That's a historical fact, not an opinion.
If anyone needs blaming, it's Clinton. Who knows how many Cubans in Florida he alienated from the Democratic party with his and Reno's hamhanded handling of the Elian Gonzalez affair? Only had to piss off about 500-700, as it turns out.
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Jackseppelin,
Not sure I get what you mean. You saying that between Jan. 20 and Sept. 11 Gore would have pulled the troops out of Saudi Arabia, so 9/11 would never have happened, or saying that once 9/11 happened, Gore would have pulled the troops out? And if it's the latter, how would that have gone over in the U.S.?
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OK, here's why I'll vote Libertarian:

I used to think that of the two major parties the Republicans better represented fiscal responsibility. Note I use "better"; not saying they were great at it, cause they weren't. I was, quite obviously, wrong, though I still tend to think an Obama administration would be ever so slightly more fiscally irresponsible. But I'm not sure.

Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that neither major party represents my interests any longer, which are, in order, keep your fucking hands out of my pocket.

However, I refuse to hold my nose and vote for a candidate -- either one -- I don't believe in. So should I just not vote?

Consider: The basis of our democracy isn't really voting. It isn't a matter of how many ignorant and apathetic know-nothing morons either party signs up or drags to the polls. We've been doing that, and how's it working out?

Besides, in most states you have a better chance of hitting Powerball than you do of ever having your one vote in a pile of millions make any difference in a national election (Florida got lucky).

The truer basis of the democracy is ballot access. If you only have two choices, well, that's not really much of a choice, is it, especially when you think both suck.

Now if you pay any attention you know that in most states the two major parties fight like the breath of hell to keep people like Barr and Nader off the ballot. How very democratic of them. They set up all these ballot-access rules to make it as difficult as possible for Libs, Greens etc. to make the ballot -- they have to do petition drives and the like -- and when the Libs, Greens etc. seem in danger of making it anyway the big guys fight and challenge and stall and haul them into court, anything to keep their names off and their voices silent.

What drives such behavior? It's certainly not an interest in the marketplace of ideas, certainly not because they want you to have options.
You think they give a rat's ass about YOU? What drives them is fear. Fear that 500 votes for Nader in Pennsylvania or 50 votes for Barr in West Virginia might swing a state, and an election, to the Bad Guy. And then they'd be out of Power, and that's what it's all about: Who has the Power.

I know very well Barr and Nader don't have a hope in hell of winning the presidency. I don't care. What I care about is, maybe if enough pissed-off, tired of the same old shit voters throw votes their way, it will force states to allow the Libs, Greens etc. onto their ballots, and allow their voices and their ideas to be heard in the debates and all the other pre-election foolishness.

That would be a tiny step forward, but you gotta start somewhere if we're ever going to breaking this stupid red-blue logjam. America hasn't always had just these two parties, and these two parties haven't always stood for what they stand for today; things changed in the past, they can change again in the future. There's no reason we're relegated to continuing along the same sorry either-or track for the rest of time.

I have a feeling a whole lot more people would like to vote for the Libs and Greens. I think that's where a lot of people's sympathies and consciences really lie. But Libs and Greens don't win elections, so why vote for them?

And we fall into the neat chicken/egg trap the Big Parties have set.

Posted by: bucdaddy at October 3, 2008 7:44 PM

I'm not a republican. I wouldn't give the republican party money if they were holding my kid ransom. Republicans have some good ideas but are beholden the the religious right that wants to force their prudish lifestyle on us. Democrats on the other hand are beholden to the socialists/communists who want to force their ideals of mob rule and collectivism on us and force us to live the way that THEY feel is best.

I believe in individualism and personal responsibility. Government mandated healthcare is an abomination. I should not be forced to have healthcare if I don't want it. I should not be forced to carry mental health insurance if I only want physical health insurance. My post-menopausal mother should not be forced to carry maternity coverage. Bottom line: government fucks things up much more often than they do things right. National healthcare or National anything really other than defense and infastructure is simply not necessary. America is too big a place for a bunch centrally located of power hungry dullards to be dictating what all of us have to do with our lives.

As to the point about Bush increasing the size of government - no shit! You think just cause he's a republican I agree with that? Collectivism hipocracy are a democratic ideals.

In a perfect world we'd all be libertarians anyway. p.s. spelling is for pussies

Posted by: harry at October 3, 2008 7:57 PM

All Gore had to do was win Tennessee (supposedly his home state), Arkansas (Clinton's home state) or West Virginia (2:1 Dem/GOP voter ratio) and Florida/Supreme Court is a moot point. How come nobody wants to point to these failures?

Maybe there's a good "what-if" novel to be written about how Gore would have handled (or who knows? mishandled just as badly) 9/11 if he'd been in the White House.

On your first point, I don't believe we know enough about who won what state, what with all the voting shenanigans. My biggest disappointment in Gore is that he didn't find his cajones until it was way too late.

That said, and on to your second point - I personally believe there was a machine in motion long before 9/11. A machine to make sure the right idiot was in that office for that disaster. I'm not convinced it would have happened at that moment without that particular idiot in office.

Posted by: Cindy at October 3, 2008 8:51 PM

All I'm saying is that anyone who voted for Bush can't then fault the Democrats for not being more popular or doing more pandering. If you voted for Nader or Browne then never mind.

Posted by: Jay at October 3, 2008 9:01 PM

Harry - so, if you get hit by a car and have no plan in place and either screw the hospital that treated you or declare bankruptcy b/c you paid your bills and are cleaned-out, who do you think bears the burden of that? Morality aside, mandated coverage insures that the rest of us won't have to bear the brunt of some maverick's refusal to be covered.

Posted by: samantha t at October 4, 2008 8:24 AM

As someone who lives in a country with government health-care, those on this site who're railing against it like it's the coming of Satan, really have no idea what it's like. You still have the option of private health care, but those earning over a certain amount pay a Medicare surcharge which means that the poorest and least able to afford health care have access to it. It doesn't mean pensioners are forced to take out maternity coverage. No one is forced to take out any kind of coverage, in fact there are financial incentives to take out private cover to ease the load on the public system. It's not perfect, but it means we have a two-tiered system where private insurance means a better standard of care, but those that can't afford it still have something to fall back on without being left with huge hospital bills they'll never be able to pay back.

And those saying the Republicans are AGAINST greater regulation and government control? Look at the effect unbridled greed and the "invisible hand of the free market" has had on your economy. Then your "hands off" government decides to give the very people who frittered away billions with no accountability, even more money, which will no doubt go to multi-million dollar CEO severance packages. Yeah, less government intervention is clearly just what your country needs.

Posted by: lex at October 5, 2008 12:24 AM