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By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Miscellaneous | Comments (96)



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There have been hundreds of zombie movies created over the last 40 years — more than you can possibly imagine. And while George Romero’s 1968 black-and-white classic wasn’t the first, it was the one that essentially established the subgenre. Without it, there’d have been no 28 Days Later or Zombieland, and there’d certainly be no Shaun of the Dead, or the countless spin-offs, sequels, and remakes that Night of the Living Dead spawned. You can basically thank George Romero for, in part, giving rise to the careers of Simon Pegg and Zack Snyder. Pretty good for an independent film created on a $114,000 budget.

Night of the Living Dead wasn’t just a groundbreaking movie for the zombie subgenre, however. It was also groundbreaking for the amount of blood and gore (tame by today’s standards) that it contained, during a time before the MPAA had been established, where it wasn’t unusual for children to attend Saturday matinées. As Roger Ebert wrote:

The kids in the audience were stunned. There was almost complete silence. The movie had stopped being delightfully scary about halfway through, and had become unexpectedly terrifying. There was a little girl across the aisle from me, maybe nine years old, who was sitting very still in her seat and crying… It’s hard to remember what sort of effect this movie might have had on you when you were six or seven. But try to remember. At that age, kids take the events on the screen seriously, and they identify fiercely with the hero. When the hero is killed, that’s not an unhappy ending but a tragic one: Nobody got out alive. It’s just over, that’s all.

I don’t want to provide a full review of Night of the Living Dead — the Pajiba Movie Club, after all, is supposed to be about your opinions. But I do want to start off the discussion with some questions to consider:

1) What was your general opinion of the movie? And did you think it held up well 40 years later? Did you find the gore unsettling?

2) If this was your first time seeing Night of the Living Dead, did it help you to better understand and appreciate contemporary zombie movies? And could you really identify its influence on them?

3) Like his other zombie films, there was a lot of social commentary underlying Night of the Living Dead, which was released during the Vietnam era. Can you identify and perhaps expand on Romero’s feelings toward the political climate in 1968 America?

4) It was a big deal for Duane Jones to be cast as the hero, because it wasn’t typical at the time for African-Americans to be cast as the leads in movies otherwise dominated by white actors. Would anyone care to comment on that, and on its relationship to the recent (at the time) assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X?

5) Likewise, there were some feminist criticisms of the film, because Night of the Living Dead depicted the main female character as helpless and catatonic. Does anyone agree with that assessment?

6) Romero states that Richard Matheson’s I Am Legend was a big influence on his screenplay for Night of the Living Dead. Can you detect the similarities between this movie and both Matheson’s short story and even Will Smith’s remake of I Am Legend?

7) Finally, in light of what you’ve seen since Night of the Living Dead, do you consider the original campy or legitimately terrifying?









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Comments

Opening Thoughts:

Having never seen the movie before, I don't feel the need to review it, per se. That's been done before (on this site, even). Here's some perspectives though:

Because it's in the public conscience, these days, I couldn't help but see Ben as Barak Obama. I don't mean in a political sense. I just mean, he actually reminded me of the man, speech, mannerisms, etc. If there were to be a parallel drawn, politically, though, one could take the scene where Ben, Barbara, Cooper, and Tom. Ben as Obama; Cooper as John McCain, short and irrate; Barbara as a catatonic, beleagured Hillary Clinton, and Tom as a chatty, nervous Joe Biden. That last one was a stretch but you get my drift.

I think my favorite line in the whole movie was from Ben who told Cooper: "You can be the boss down there. I'm the boss up here!" I was like: my god...he's a young Sam L. Jackson!

Overall, I loved the movie and I can imagine that audiences in '68 were quaking in their boots.

If there's a tragedy, here, it's that I don't have a great reference point for movies prior. It's like playing the Beatles for teenagers; they may think it's catchy but they have no idea how groundbreaking they were.

Posted by: gunnertec at October 6, 2009 3:04 PM

4) It was a big deal for Duane Jones to be cast as the hero, because it wasn’t typical at the time for African-Americans to be cast as the leads in movies otherwise dominated by white actors. Would anyone care to comment on that, and on its relationship to the recent (at the time) assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X?

I was really struck by that. Think about how he always seemed to be judged by the others beforehand, even when hell was at their doors. I found that a great commentary on race relations.

Notice how he was forced to handle all the work, and yet he was still never trusted, and you get a good view of Romero's idea of race relations at the time.

And notice how the army officers shot him without a second thought, not caring weather he was a zombie or not. If he was white, do you think he would have been shot?

Posted by: George at October 6, 2009 3:09 PM

As a first time viewer, I liked it. It was a little slow for me at first, but I trucked on through and ended up really enjoying it.
I think it held up well . . . maybe not the effects and possibly not the pacing (everything today is more frantic) but it's still effective. I was creeped out and that was the point.

I don't think that the feminist criticism about Barbara holds up. Mr. Cooper was just as helpless (and not catatonic), the other women were fine . . . Barbara is that way because she saw her brother get killed. It's too easy to say that "oh women are being portrayed as helpless" without looking at the backstory of the character. She just chooses to check out, it's understandable. She rallies at the end, even though her brother eats her.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 3:10 PM

I first saw this film when I was around the age of 12 or 13. I must have been visiting relatives in the United States as I saw it in a motel room. On my own. I was familiar with the title and had been watching Nightmare on Elm Street movies since I was 8. I knew my horror! I assumed this would just be some goofy black & white film that would pass the time and, for the first half hour or so, it was. But it drew me in and terrified me. The ending was deeply unsettling. It was hours before I managed to sleep that night.

It still holds up. It is probably my favorite zombie film. It's certainly the one I've seen the most.

I am going to go off and ponder the list of questions now...

Posted by: TSF at October 6, 2009 3:17 PM

I was never really one to look at a film with any other eye other then entertainment until I started taking those damn film studies classes. So I guess I will attempt to answer your questions.

1) You have to love Night of the Living Dead for what it is. It did "create" the zombie genre. While it wasn't the first zombie film it made it more public. Even when they did the remake in 1990 there really wasn't any need. In fact, the only thing that made the remake even slightly cool was Tony Todd. As for the gore? Its hard for gore from a 1968 movie being unsettling. What with the films we have now.
2) Yeah...not my first time. Not by a long shot.
3,4,5) The only social commentary I really remember taking from the film was that whole underlying current of racism. It was one of the themes he seemed to present in all of his zombie movies (I'm ending his reign at Day of the Dead those others don't exist). His whole take on racism is apparent in many scenes. Thus, why the casting of the black lead was so against the norm but perfect for what Romero was trying to do. Feminism...*yawn*. You can take a feminist perspective on almost every single film. Hell, even when you have a movie with a strong female lead where the lady is all badass and dominates the fuck out of everyone, men can say it is feminist. Like I said, up until film courses I never really wanted to look at the "message" a film was trying to send. I don't really like to watch this movie to pick out the religious, racist, and political undertones.
6) Of course you can see the similarities. One of the things that bothered me about the Will Smith I Am Legend is that the bad guys are supposed to be more like vampires and yet they make them more like zombies. Its the whole last man standing/terrifying monsters. Romero wanted to give that sense of isolation and fear that is present in both of these films.
7)I don't find any film "terrifying." But Night of the Living Dead has never really been campy. Evil Dead...campy. Blair Witch Project...campy. This film was meant to frighten, it was meant to be taken seriously, and as such it still works.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at October 6, 2009 3:21 PM

The other night I forced my fiance (who hates zombie movies because "they're all the same") to attend a screening of Zombieland with me. She loved it, obviously -- because she's not a retard. As we left, I fought hard not to yelp, "I told you so woman" and she fought hard not to make eye-contact, fearing I would do just that.

Soon we began to talk about the merits of Zombieland over other films in the genre. She maintains that every other zombie movie she's ever seen has the same basic plot, and since this one was different it was easier to enjoy. Thought I couldn't help but to agree with her basic breakdown of the zombie genre (shit hits the fan, survivors gather, survivors destroy each other, more fan-shit), I tried to explain to her how the themes and tone of the different movies represent different ideas.

I started with Dawn of the Dead, which is as clear a criticism on commercialism as you're ever going to get. I explained the obvious commentary Land of the Dead is making about war.

When we came to Night of the Living Dead however, I stumbled.

Maybe it's because I am too young to fully understand the social setting the movie was made in, and maybe it's because I'm just not as learned about racial, economic, and social history from the 60's as I should be -- but I don't understand how the movie is anything but a fun horror flick.

The fact that the main character is black is NEVER touched upon. There is not a single moment in the whole movie that he is treated as inferior because he's black, or mistrusted because he's black. He's just a dude in the movie. He's just another character. I would think a movie that's trying to say something deliberate about racial equality would have a more direct approach. Or is the fact that it is ignored completely the entire point?

Likewise, I have no idea of how this is touching upon the Vietnam war in any way, shape or form. There is not war-like imagery. Certainly there is blood and violence, but not any more than any other monster movie. There is no comparison to the predicament being war-like or any of the characters being likened to soldiers.

I don't understand. Please give input. It's just a fun flick for me. I want something more.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 3:23 PM

note: I wrote my initial comments, this morning, before Pajiba posted and copy/pasted when 3pmEST hit. So...I realize I didn't answer the questions posed.

Re: #2, I like how the zombie genre has maintained the movement of the actors--that kind of halting, stiff-legged gait, staggering forward. If there's one way in which we've IMPROVED on this movie, it was the special effects of make-up. Certainly, modern zombies LOOK more terrifying to me. I do like how many movies have retained that sunken/darkened-eye effect that Romero created.

One thing that puzzled me about the "movie reality" of NOTLD was that, at the beginning of the film, Johnny struggled badly with the "man in the graveyard." That zombie seemed exceptionally strong. Later, Ben tells everyone that the zombies are weak and you could just push them over. What gives, there? Did I miss something?

Posted by: gunnertec at October 6, 2009 3:28 PM

gunnertec, I wondered about the speed and movements of the zombies as well. The first one seemed kind of quick on his feet, though some of the others later in the movie were more plodding. In fact, my friend says that she prefers the "Romero shuffle" to the speed found in things like 28 Days Later (which is up for interpretation on "zombie").
For some reason, when they picked up objects to break headlights and windows or when the little girl stabbed her mother, I wasn't expecting that. Zombies need weapons? That's a little more sentient than I want.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 3:32 PM

So far I have read a couple of comments that state how plain they think the racism is. I disagree.

In the entire film, there is not one mention of race. Not once. The antagonist doesn't refer to the lead as "boy." He doesn't demean him. He doesn't LIKE him obviously, but thats because they have different ideas on how to survive.

Look at the way the other characters treat the lead. The young couple defers to him almost immediately, defending his plans and taking an active part in carrying them out. Even the wife sides with him frequently, despite angry protestations from her husband. The only character that doesn't like the black lead is the husband, whose dislike seems to stem from feelings of inadequecy and a dominating sense of needing to be the alpha male -- not from race.

And who is right at the end? It's not the black lead. It's the husband. The obnoxious, angry, violent husband was right all along -- they should have stayed in the basement. If the movie were a criticism on racism, wouldn't the black character have been somehow vindicated?

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 3:33 PM

There is a great documentary called The American Nightmare that addresses a good deal of the Civil Rights and Vietnam parallels in films of the 60's and 70's. The first part is available here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cniEdq4Jwaw

The subsequent parts are in the related videos. I strongly recommend it.

Posted by: TSF at October 6, 2009 3:38 PM

superasente;

Do you think, then, that Romero was making a statement about racism and equality simply by letting this character be a character?
Or was Romero just making a movie and all the sociological overtones are what people choose to see?

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 3:38 PM

myysharona - I thought the Zombies use of objects made them more terrifying. When Barbara was being pursued and Grave Zombie used the rock, I was like "Holy Shit...these things are going to be relentless!"

However, that method of mayhem didn't persist with the other zombies.

Did anyone laugh at the Zombie-in-the-tight-pants. He was in a few group scenes. Everytime I saw him, I chuckled. they always showed his backside. (not to be confused with the naked chick).

Posted by: gunnertec at October 6, 2009 3:39 PM

The only character that doesn't like the black lead is the husband, whose dislike seems to stem from feelings of inadequacy and a dominating sense of needing to be the alpha male -- not from race.

Seriously? You can't see the racial implications in that?

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at October 6, 2009 3:40 PM

superasente, I think Romero's social commentary is pretty blatant in Night of The Living Dead. Granted, it's nowhere near as totally in your face as it was Dawn, Dead or Land (where it borders on the ridiculous), but it's still there.

My read - and I think a popular one - was that the zombies were sort of a symbol of McCarthyism. They were the mindless horde seeking to kill (drive out) those that are not like them.

I find the racism to be quite blatant as well. Granted, the characters in the movie never mention the fact that Ben is black, but Cooper is incredibly mis-trusting of him. If you take the Coopers as symbols of suburban/white America, the tension between Cooper and Ben (white and black) is palpabale. There is an inherent mistrust and constant fighting. Also, you have the kicker at the end where Ben is mistaken for a zombie. Beat 'em and burn 'em. The decidedly white "rescuers" identify Ben as an "other" (i.e., not human/white) and is killed on the spot. If Cooper was in that window or Barbara, would they have been shot?

I'd love to discuss this more, but sadly work calls.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at October 6, 2009 3:41 PM

It was scary as shit for its time. Think about horror movies of the past. You had the early black and white classics, and those typically tried to be either Great Literature or Saturday-matinee cheap thrills aimed at mostly kids. Then the Atomic Era. Giant bunnies, evil aliens, enormous slime-balls. Not all -- there are a few in my mind that stand out as being exceptional -- but the majority. Then you move on to Hammer Horrors or Godzilla-esque movies. That's the type of history you have before you get to Night of The Living Dead.

It was a message movie, but not a heavy-handed message movie. It didn't try to dazzle you with special effects, or distract you with heaving bosoms. It tried to be (and I'd say succeeded as) a psychological thriller. You can feel the fear in those claustrophobic spaces, and even the opening scene in a wide-open graveyard is extremely confining and limiting from a mental perspective. The enemy can't be stopped. It can't be reasoned with, or outwitted, because it is relentless and pervasive. But even worse is the fact that you can trust no one. The people who should be your allies will sacrifice *you* in a heartbeat. Right from the start you get the sense that everyone was doomed, that resistance really was futile, there would be no question mark at the "The End" title card.

Posted by: Wednesday at October 6, 2009 3:44 PM

Mysharaona, I'm not sure.

If Romero is making some kind of comment on racism by NOT highlighting it, that's brilliant -- but I don't credit him with being a skilled enough filmmaker for that. Pioneer? Yeah. Genius? No.

I wonder if all the inferences the audience has made has BECOME the message after the fact. What I infer from a film doesn't invalidate it just because the filmmaker didn't intend it.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 3:48 PM

For me, Night of the Living Dead ranks right up there with seeing Hendrix for the first time (one week after Monterey Pop) and seeing a pre-opening screening of Alien.
Had no real preconceptions and as was typical for me at the time, was completely blitzed for the occasion.

Like the other two events, NOTLD was a game changer.
Never before had a movie been so unrelentingly bleak and grim- the cheesy production values and no-name cast only add to the effect- and most of all...everybody fookin DIES!
No happy endings here, no glimmer of hope, just death and finality.

I resisted rewatching it for this movie club, afraid of tarnishing the memory of the original experience.
I did obtain it but still haven't decided if I will see it again or not.
On the one hand, I'm afraid it will be crap and force me to reconsider my taste as a stripling and on the other, if it's as powerful as I remember, I'm not sure I need the dread at my advanced age.

Decisions, decisions.

Posted by: clocker at October 6, 2009 3:49 PM

5) Likewise, there were some feminist criticisms of the film, because Night of the Living Dead depicted the main female character as helpless and catatonic. Does anyone agree with that assessment?

I never really took Barbara's character as a criticism of women. I took it more as a satire, without any kind of comedic send-up. The late 60's and early 70's were politically and socially charged than just about any period in the last 100 years. For the first time since the civil war government troops were regularly deployed to control the citizens. But there was also a charge much more sexual in nature. Not insomuch as sexual freedom, but in the role of the sexes. Women were finally asserting themselves on all fronts. Women can be the bread winners. Women can be executives. Women can get out and do. Barbara (at least in my mind) was borderline reprehensible for her lack of action. And I think this was intentional by design. Twenty minutes into the film, i was wishing she would shuffle the mortal coil most violently. I watch this movie now and see Romero pointing a finger. He was pointing at his audience and saying, "See! See what this kind of attitude of 'He's going to save me...' gets you? Women have a role. Women have a purpose. Women AREN'T suppposed to act like this."

I see him as telling women to stand up and do something. Save your lives. Value your lives. Don't sit around and wait for your night in shining sear-sucker to rescue you from your family and provide you with a house, a white picket fence, and 1 1/2 kids. You need to fend for yourself.

It's the Barbara role that actually got me digging the Savini remake in 1990. The story hadn't changed so much as the roles of women in society. That's why Barbara was a much stronger person in NOTLD 90. As far as the Romero Barabara is concerned, in my opinion, she was nothing more than an pretty, living version of a zombie. She did nothing but shuffle around with a vacant look on her face, blurt out random noises, serve no real purpose, and feed off of those around her.

4) It was a big deal for Duane Jones to be cast as the hero, because it wasn’t typical at the time for African-Americans to be cast as the leads in movies otherwise dominated by white actors. Would anyone care to comment on that, and on its relationship to the recent (at the time) assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X?

Complete opposite of Barbara. Ben was the embodiment of every proud black man. He was tired of the hands he kept being dealt. He was pissed off about the people he was forced to share space with. They wanted to make all the rules and tell him what to do, when in fact, they really did NOTHING. This was even more evident when you consider that everyone else in the movie was white. Just like women at the time, he was standing up. He did everything he had to to come out on top. And only the smartest people around him, those willing to listen to different ideas, were worth a danm. The old thinkers all died off first.

Posted by: PissBoy at October 6, 2009 3:52 PM

Superasente, had they all stayed in the basement, they still would have been killed eventually. The obnoxious husband was no more or less right than Ben.

In addition, this was after a number of advances in the civil rights movement... and there are different kinds of racism. So, societally speaking, you would've had your progressive hippie types that listened to the black man and took him seriously as a fellow human being, eager to "do the right thing", as it were; and you would've had your bitter white folk who were angry that the "colored folk" no longer knew their place, but as far as society and the law were concerned, they (the bitter whites) had to accept it. (Obviously, this is generalized and oversimplified a great deal.) it's not always as obvious as the white guy calling the black guy "boy".

It's been quite some time since I saw this film, and I don't know that I'll have time to see it tonight (and tomorrow I have a class). However, it is one of my all time favorites, and I think it does hold up terror-wise, because in the end, you're left with that sense of utter despair; that is, everyone is going to die. Period. And there ain't a gatdamned thing anybody can do about it, black, white, or otherwise. Personally, that was one of the things I always took away from it, was that Romero was kind of saying, "Hey, guess what? Zombies don't give a crap about your race, color, gender, or creed. They gone eat yer brains anyhow. So why bother with all these distinctions?"

Posted by: Anna "Switchblade" von Beaverpuppet at October 6, 2009 3:52 PM

One thing that puzzled me about the "movie reality" of NOTLD was that, at the beginning of the film, Johnny struggled badly with the "man in the graveyard." That zombie seemed exceptionally strong. Later, Ben tells everyone that the zombies are weak and you could just push them over. What gives, there? Did I miss something?

Again, it's been awhile since I've seen it, but was it that Johnny was kind of weak and/or taken by such surprise that he was easily overpowered?

Posted by: Anna "Switchblade" von Beaverpuppet at October 6, 2009 3:56 PM

I'm fairly sure that superasente is right about the race issue. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Romero didn't cast based on race. He just used the people he had.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at October 6, 2009 3:58 PM

...and she wanted a Tuna sandwhich. Tuna.

Tuna crap!

Posted by: PissBoy at October 6, 2009 3:59 PM

Having seen NOTLD probably over 50 times, I've drawn some conclusions.

First, on the racism commentary: I've come to the belief that it's not so much a commentary about racism as it is a depiction of the hope many people held for the aftermath of the civil rights movement. Ben was a future standard, a representation of what should be and what was hoped for by many, a truly equal, no, superior, black man, even in his unjust and tragic death. Consider the age old horror movie trope...he/she who lives the longest is the strongest. If that holds true here, even Ben's death by "redneck posse", as Elliot Stein so eloquently put it, doesn't detract from the fact that he of every person in that house managed to survive the ghouls.

As far as the Vietnam comparison, I've always found that argument to be a bit specious, but it's difficult to deny that the imagery provokes comparison, whether by intent or simple overexposure.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 3:59 PM

He was pointing at his audience and saying, "See! See what this kind of attitude of 'He's going to save me...' gets you? Women have a role. Women have a purpose. Women AREN'T suppposed to act like this."

Ahh! Thank you for putting into words what was just a vague feeling on my end. I like this take.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 3:59 PM

I saw this movie for the first time back in 1976 and it definitely stayed with me, uncomfortably, for quite a while. I saw it again recently on cable and found that it's held up surprisingly well.

I wonder if the disagreement regarding a racial relations message is based in a generation gap. It seems to me to be a perfect race commentary for the time in which it was made. I grew up during the 60's and Romero didn't have to make his point obvious (with a "boy" or other denigration) because the prejudice was all around us and the film reflected it. The white man's dismissal of the black man was entrenched in far too much of society.

I'm also interested in myysharona's comment about the pacing. It *is* slower, but it's a real-life pace, even in the somewhat stilted 'acting.' I'm going to reveal my age again in this comment, but why does horror has to be presented in fast-cuts and rapid camera moves? When paced as in real life, the horror seems more possible, doesn't it?

Posted by: Louise at October 6, 2009 4:01 PM

If it wasn't a statement/message/particularly important for the main protagonist to be black, why did they cast Tony Todd (another very unmistakably dark dude) in the remake?

(And yes, I know that Romero himself was at odds with the remake, so the remake team didn't necessarily have to/want to follow his vision. But to a large degree, they did.)

OK, time for interesting fun facts I learned from the IMDB page on the 1990 remake:

-Laurence Fishburne, Eriq La Salle and Ving Rhames all auditioned for the part of Ben.

-"The scene at the end of the film, where several zombies are lynched from a tree and shot at was in fact scripted in the original 1968 film, but was cut because of the racial tensions gripping the country at the time. The scene pays homage to the cut."

Anyone who thinks Romero wasn't trying to make some sort of statement on race is just wrong. Exactly what statement is made and how effective it is can be debated.

Posted by: MM at October 6, 2009 4:02 PM

Don't you see that it doesn't play out?

If the young couple is supposed to represent the hippie movement and progressive attitudes about black equality -- when that theme plays out, Romero must be criticising that movement. By trusting Ben, they die. They were wrong to trust him.

Also, if the white suburban is supposed to represent old ideas and bigotry, by the end of the movie he is shown to be in the right. One opinion in the comments is that "Oh, if it had been a white person emerging from the house at the end, they wouldn't have been shot." Another opinion is that "Oh, if they had all stayed in the basement, they still would've died." Either Ben was right, or the other guy was right. It was either safer in the basement or it wasn't.

Since Ben survives the invading Zombies, I am inclined to think the white old guy was in the right -- not a theme that criticises racism very well.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 4:03 PM

I watched last night for the first time and I can definately see where todays movies derive much of there influence from. While I certainly didn't find it campy, I did chuckle at some minor editing blunders and the like. I must admit that I did find it boring at times but also found myself drawn into the story and really enjoying it at other ponts.

As for the scary/gore factor, it just wasn't there for me. I can appreciate that, in 1968, people would have been far more shocked at the amount of entrail gnawing going on in some scenes however it is pretty tame by today's standard.

As for the racism present in the movie, I was very surprised by the casting of a black lead, but I didn't really detect that any of the characters were hostile to the protagonist due to his skin colour.

GAH! Stupid work.

Posted by: admin at October 6, 2009 4:04 PM

But does it matter who "won" or who was "right?" Because they all die in the end, it doesn't matter who was right or where they should have been.
To me, that seems like a big leap to go from location chosen to race of the character who chose it to racial commentary.

Also, regarding the last question in the article, I don't think it's campy at all. I can see why it might have been terrifying in 1968, but I wasn't terrified. Intrigued, a little grossed out, and surprised at times, yes.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 4:10 PM

For those of you who are, like me, chickenshit and fucking terrified of the undead, or are stuck at work and can't watch the movie, here is Night of the Living Dead in 30 seconds...performed by bunnies.

http://www.angryalien.com/0206/NOLDbuns.asp

Posted by: Cat at October 6, 2009 4:16 PM

By trusting Ben, they die. They were wrong to trust him.

I don't think they were *wrong* to trust him, I think that they placed their trust where they felt it belonged, and it didn't work out. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes, you put your trust in someone, and the zombies get you anyway. That doesn't make it *wrong* that you put your trust in that person.

Since Ben survives the invading Zombies, I am inclined to think the white old guy was in the right -- not a theme that criticises racism very well.

I think you're contradicting yourself here... if Ben hadn't been shot by the cops, how far would he have gotten before he was eaten by zombies? In other words, he would likely have fallen to the zombies eventually, he just happened to get killed in the meantime. And, how long did those cops last? How long before they all got their brains eaten, and the zombies got into the house, and into the basement, because everyone was busy hiding down there instead of at least trying to protect themselves?

Ack! Stupid work...

Posted by: Anna "Switchblade" von Beaverpuppet at October 6, 2009 4:16 PM

Hee! 30 second bunny theater is AWESOME.

I just wanted to quick add that I'm not saying "You're wrong, Superasente!" I think I'm just trying to say that there's more than one way to read it as a comment on racism, and what exactly it is saying.

Posted by: Anna "Switchblade" von Beaverpuppet at October 6, 2009 4:25 PM

I'm going to agree with Sharona and take it a step further.

To say that one or the other interpretation is THE interpretation is messy thinking. Opinion is opinion. But for the sake of argument, I'm going to disagree with both the opinions you mention Superasente. I would bet for damn sure that posse would have shot anyone they saw, and why not? At that point, race has ceased to become an issue, what with the whole zombie apocalypse thing. White zombie, black zombie...still a motherfucking zombie.

Second, and I think more importantly, you cite 2 events as fodder for your point on Ben being wrong...the death of Tom and Judy and Ben's decision that barricading themselves in the basement was more dangerous than leaving themselves exposed in the upper portion of the house.

Tom and Judy are easy...they died because they were morons, not because Ben's plan was a bad one. Tom was the idiot who splashed gasoline near an open flame, and Judy shouldn't have been there in the first place, she followed them like a brain sick toddler.

As far as Ben being wrong about staying in the main part of the house vs. Harry's plan to barricade themselves in the basement, well, that's a touch more complex, but it comes down to this...it's impossible to say with any certainty that either was right. It's definitely not so cut and dry, and it's a fallacy to say that because Ben went down to the basement after everyone was dead, Harry was right. But thinking tactically, Ben had no choice at that point. He had to control access points as one man can't defend an area with multiple access points. Secondly, Ben's initial plan allowed for escape routes should one entrance to the main house be overrun.

Simply put, to not take into account the fact that Ben is surrounded by idiots who can't seem to make a sound decision doesn't speak well for the theory that Romero was indicting those who believed in racial tolerance.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 4:33 PM

Anna >> "Hey, guess what? Zombies don't give a crap about your race, color, gender, or creed. They gone eat yer brains anyhow. So why bother with all these distinctions?"

Very well said. And I think that extremely salient point undermines the claim that it's really important as to who was "right" about the basement. Just because Ben was "wrong" - and keeping a girl who is a pending zombie down in the basement isn't exactly safe regardless - does not mean that the you throw out the social commentary. I'd much rather have Ben leading me in a survival attempt than the jackass in the basement.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 6, 2009 4:38 PM

Smokin, my point is not that Romero is criticizing racial tolerance. My point is that racial tolerance is not a theme of the movie.

What I'm saying is this; if it had been a theme of the movie, things wouldn't have played out the way they did. Things end badly for everyone, regardless of race. It's like you said -- it didn't matter who came out of the house -- white, black...it's a motherfucking zombie.

I'm not saying the racial theme is one of intolerence, I'm saying that there is no racial theme.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 4:38 PM

suprasente, you can't seriously mean that there is no commentary, just beacause nothing is said explicitly! Wow! Do you usually need your messages spoon-fed to you? Hrrmmph...

That said, one thing I love about this film is that a lot of it is "in real time", we watch Ben put up barricades and so on, feeling the pressure. No easy-peasy montages (as far as I remember)! I've discovered that this is something I appreciate in good thrillers, it's great for tension. Another example of this is Misery.

Posted by: N. Wood at October 6, 2009 4:41 PM

On the I am Legend Connection, what's always struck me is that in both Matheson's novel and NOTLD, the precariousness of the protagonist's safety is highlighted and used to further the tension.

Later zombie films and especially the Omega Man rely on the now cliche set-up of vast numbers of luddite monsters vs. a small band with lots of firepower and technology. We view this initial scenario as inherently "fair", as it gives the main characters a fighting chance.

But NOTLD and I am Legend offered no such fairness...there are no stockpiles of automatic rifles or armored vehicles, no exotic large-scale-effect weapons...just whatever might be lying around the house. In I am Legend, if memory serves, Neville has just a couple of pistols, but they were as effective on the vampires as shotguns are on terminators...momentarily stops the onslaught, but that's it.

I think this heightens the sense of dread we feel, and makes the main character's survival seem all the more random or arbitrary, or in Ben's mastery of improvised weapons, impressive.

Posted by: Jacktrade at October 6, 2009 4:50 PM

Supes, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your 'no racial theme' theory (though I do, and I'll tell you why in a second). I just don't think your points illustrate your theory very well, and that's what I'm refuting. I think that both of the things you mention are conclusions that you can't logically draw and use as evidence that Romero had no intention of highlighting racial issues, for the reasons I mentioned above.

But I do disagree with your theory, and here's why. Let's go back to my own interp of the race issue, which I mentioned in my first comment. I don't think that Romero's positive portrayal of a black main character can be denied as a statement on racism and racial perceptions, when considered in the context of the times. Whether he gave it the depth of thought that we are is irrelevant.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 4:52 PM

I don't know Romero's intent. Even if he had no conscious intent for a message concerning racism (and don't throw out the possibility of a subconscious one), that does not mean that the art - once out of the artist's hands - can not become an entity of its own and thereby create interpretations beyond the artist's intent. When it comes to art, I don't see unintended interpretations as any less "valid" than intended ones. That's one of the reasons some directors are reluctant to do commentary tracks: they don't want to bias the lens of the viewer. A film can have its own relationship with the viewer, and given the climate of the time around this film's release, a discussion about racism seems relevant to me.

Anyway, I have not watched this terribly recently - and I apologize for failing to do so for the Movie Club - but I just wanted to throw in my two cents. I actually saw the remake before I saw the original, and I remember it creeped me out. It takes quite a bit for a film to truly creep me out. (That image of the hanging zombies being shot by the soldiers was especially unsettling to me.) When I finally saw it, the original played a little bit dated for me, but it's still a great movie. I need to rewatch them both.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 6, 2009 4:55 PM

Smokin' -- Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're saying that casting a black man in the lead is a comment in and of itself. Regardless of how that effects the film thematically.

Is that right?

I think I agree with that. There is no way to ignore the social significance of casting a black man in that role. It has no bearing on the plot or the tone of the movie and it is utterly ignored from a scripting/acting perspective -- but none of that removes the commentary. Regardless of Romero's intentions, it BECAME racial significant.

I can get behind that.

Okay, if that is true, what was Romero's message then? From a scripting perspective? There is no ignoring the message in Dawn, Day or Land. So what's the point of Night? What was he trying to say when he sat down at his typewriter?

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 5:03 PM

Supes-

Not the point I was making, though that is one way of looking at it. The casting was indeed bold, but the casting means nothing without the attendant positive characterization

I think that, textually, he reaffirms the casting by portraying Ben as the only competent person in the bunch. What Romero said by doing this, and I think it was completely intentional, was that Ben, a black man, was just as capable of fulfilling the hero archetype, even to it's ultimately tragic end.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 5:12 PM

I can get behind that. I'm not certain that was his INTENTION, but when filming ended, that was definatly the result.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 5:19 PM

When you strike a nerve with horror, it should hurt forever. Films based in shock value tend to lose their value over the years because there will always be a more shocking film just around the corner. Romero works so well in the original Dead trilogy because he justified the existence of gore with intelligent screenplays and solid filmmaking.

I get a lot flack from a lot of different groups for loving horror films. The fact is, the type of horror films people associate with a young man like me liking are rarely the films I enjoy. If I provided a five film defense of my preferred genre, Night of the Living Dead would be exhibit C, behind Rosemary's Baby and Cat People (original) and ahead of Carnival of Souls and The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane. I like my horror films swarming with imagery, grand performances, and social/political commentary.

Posted by: Robert at October 6, 2009 5:20 PM

The original was good but I prefer the remake by Tom Savini. Mainly because it rewrote the female lead as a stronger character.

Posted by: John W at October 6, 2009 5:20 PM

Carnival of Souls!!!! Damn that was awesome. I first saw it in college, because an acting teacher of mine was in it (Sidney Berger, who also had a cameo in the god-awful remake). So good, and definitely worthy of inclusion on a top five (thought I have to say, Cat People surprises me. Maybe I'll have to give it another chance).

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 5:25 PM

I have a question:
I don't have a lot of experience with zombie movies. I enjoy them, but I others have more experience with the genre as a whole.
What are some things from this film that are repeated in later films?

I know that the word "zombie" is never used, right? And they played to that in Shaun of the Dead. More examples, please! I'm trying to learn. It's hard to live in Austin and not know a lot about this subject. :)

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 5:26 PM

Mysharona -- Some recurring themes in zombie movies:

1. Zombies aren't the threat. Your common man is the threat. Mistrust. Pride. Lust. These are the monsters that will get you in the end.
2. Zombies usually represent some mindless group of ordinary citizens. Sometimes they're just the catelyst for chaos, but very often they are analogous of some TYPE of person.
3. No happy endings. Rarely is there a zombie movie made where the people get away scott free -- a theme begun in Night of the Living Dead. Certainly you have your Sean of the Living Deads and your Zombilands -- but those are comedies. If it's zombie and it's horror, it's bleak.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 5:33 PM

People have been commenting quite a bit on the racial commentary, or lack thereof, but I didn't really pick up on any of that when I first saw the movie. Granted I first saw the movie when I was in the second or third grade, but still.

What struck me most at the time was the tone of the film. Unrelentingly bleak. There were a few films that had this type of downbeat ending that I saw around the same time (most notably, Carpenter's The Thing) and they all instilled a terror in me that I have yet to shake off.

When my dreams take a turn toward the dark, it is always zombies that are chasing me. Everyone I am with falls to the wayside and I find no respite from the unceasing horde. The dreams leave me exhausted, empty, and more tired than I went to sleep. Each moment in the dream I am achingly aware that I am but one instant away from death and forever just barely dancing out of the way as it clutches and lunges for me.

The despair I feel is akin to the despair on screen in NOTLD. Everyone dies, even the noblest and best amongst us, and all that are left are the cockroaches of humanity. Whatever his other commentary on contemporary issues might be, he crafted a film that scares and horrifies through a thorough command of tone. In part, this is due to the pacing of the film as mentioned by others - deliberate, or slow, but not dull, or plodding. The pacing, like the zombies, are inevitable, able to be staved off but temporarily.

And I can't finish because I have to go to class.

Posted by: blair at October 6, 2009 5:35 PM

Robert, totally agree on what makes for good horror movies. The best horror films always seem to have a strong sociological bent, just as the best sci-fi films usually address philosophical issues.

Posted by: Jacktrade at October 6, 2009 5:35 PM

Well, after some further reading, I stand corrected - Romero didn't cast Duane Jones because he was black at all, rather because he was the best actor who auditioned, plain and simple. It's nice to think that Romero could actually have had such color-blindness at the time.

Whatever his initial intention, though, I still say that unless you completely remove the film from the context of the year 1968 in America, it clearly has racial implications that didn't go unnoticed by most viewers. Even if Romero didn't write the script as a way of saying, "Hey, this black guy is the most competent one!", that was the reaction of a lot of viewers. (More like, "Hey, why is that black guy in charge?" at the time.) So it made people think about race. And kudos to Romero for undermining racism without even intentionally trying to undermine racism, but by just doing it.

So, superasente, I guess I'm actually agreeing with this: "There is no way to ignore the social significance of casting a black man in that role. It has no bearing on the plot or the tone of the movie and it is utterly ignored from a scripting/acting perspective -- but none of that removes the commentary. Regardless of Romero's intentions, it BECAME racial significant."

Posted by: MM at October 6, 2009 5:39 PM

One of the things that's always struck me about this film, and I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, is that in many cases it's the character's own actions rather than the zombies that lead to their deaths. The movie sets up the idea that other zombie films ran with, that the survivors undermine each other and allow their tension and stress to make the situation worse. Look at the actual causes of death in the film:
Barbara's brother: zombie
Tom and Judy: fire they caused themselves
Mr. Cooper: shot by Ben
Barbara: zombie, but she threw herself at them
Mrs Cooper and daughter: zombie
Ben: shot by militia
that's 4 killed by zombie and 4 dead basically because of human failings. I find that pretty striking about this film - the zombies are deadly, but the humans are just as much so.

Posted by: s. pisaster at October 6, 2009 5:40 PM

Oh Sharona, the next time I'm in Austin, we're having a zombie movie marathon.

This may not be quite what you're looking for, but here are some rules about movie zombies:

1. Zombies, on the whole, want to eat you. This is almost exclusively true.

2. Zombies are usually reanimated corpses of the deceased, and are only sometimes referred to as zombies. See the 28 movies for a good example living zombies.

3. There are two zombie types: fast and slow. Everything else is irrelevant. There are differing opinions as to which is better, but I tend to like them both.

4. If you get bitten, you will become a zombie. This can occur before death, as soon as the 'virus', 'mutation', or whatever occur, or it can occur immediately upon death. In rare cases, it takes a little while, but usually it's just a few moments after your last breath, preferably at a very inconvenient time for your friends and/or loved ones.

5. If you see someone you know acting strangely, they are probably a zombie. This can include, but is not limited to standing in your house and grunting unintelligibly, attempting to get into your house or car by unconventional means (i.e., a window), or chewing on a mutual acquaintance.

There are more, but I think that's enough for now. It's a lot to take in all at once.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 5:43 PM

I had a question about Mr. Cooper, he betrays Ben by running when he should have let him back into the house. Also, Ben sees him in the basement doorway when he's able to break through and knows that Cooper is a cowardly shithead. It's a great moment in the film.

Mr. Cooper, after hesitating AGAIN, goes to help Ben block the door. Is this a moment of redemption or not? If it is, does he pretty much erase that when he later takes the gun from Ben?

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 5:44 PM

Based on his later work, I find it very hard to believe that Romero did not intend for NOTLD to comment on race relations, McCarthyism, Viet Nam or whatever. The guy loves his social commentary. It's an intergral part of his filmmaking. It goes a little over the top at times in Dawn (though still charming), a little more in Day, and becomes completely insufferable by Land and Diary.

You compare his Dawn to Snyder's re-make and the biggest difference that stands out (other than fast v. slow zombies) is that Snyder's pic is pretty much completely devoid of any real social commentary.

I don't think the way to look at it is Cooper was "right" and Ben was "wrong", but rather if they had just all gotten along and put their differences aside and came up with one plan, maybe just maybe they would have made it through the night and been saved by the Redneck Posse. Sadly, the race relations Ben v. Cooper (black v. white) breakdown and everyone dies.

I think the Rednecks shooting Ben in the window at the end, again not differentiating one "other" (a black man) from another "other" (a zombie) is sort of Romero's exclamation mark or bold/italics/underline for emphasis.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at October 6, 2009 5:45 PM

Well, there are times where people win against the zombies, but they always seem to come back. Just look at the Borg, they're essentially zombies, and while they never seem to bring down the Enterprise outside of parallel universes, or for a permanent period, they always come back.

Zombies symbolize hopelessness, death, and/or old age, you can fight them, you can maybe even last a long time, but you can't ever win, and if you think you have, it's an illusion, they'll always be back.

Posted by: George at October 6, 2009 5:46 PM

I remember the first time I "saw" this movie. I didn't actually see it. I was probably 6 or 7 years old and a friend of mine, who was about 3 years older, had seen it. He was spending the night and told it to me as sort of a ghost story. He's telling of it still sticks with me today. I ended up seeing it for the first time probably 8-10 years later.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at October 6, 2009 5:48 PM

@Robert: When you strike a nerve with horror, it should hurt forever.

Very well said.

@George: Zombies symbolize hopelessness, death, and/or old age, you can fight them, you can maybe even last a long time, but you can't ever win, and if you think you have, it's an illusion, they'll always be back.

Also very well said. Such wisdom from one so young.

I'm really enjoying this thread.

Posted by: MM at October 6, 2009 5:53 PM

You're on, Smokin.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 5:53 PM

On a more serious note, I think George is dead on as well (pun intended).

Additionally, zombies represent in many ways the danger of the herd mentality. A group of people with the same mindset and goals can be very dangerous. Zombies, in some cases, are a commentary on the perils of a homogeneous society.

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 6:00 PM

3 hours of this. I'm going to get fired.

I just LOVE f-ing zombie movies.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 6:10 PM

Smokin...indeed. Which is more frightening, the zombies or the militia at the end? As someone earlier said, the scene with the hanged zombies was unnerving.

Posted by: Jacktrade at October 6, 2009 6:14 PM

Jack-

I found the end far more frightening. Because it places the comparison between the zombies and the humans at the forefront. In fighting the zombies, the militia has become like them, killing indiscriminately. So who is the real bad guy there, the zombies who kill wantonly because it's in their nature, or the posse, who kills wantonly out of fear?

Posted by: Smokin at October 6, 2009 6:18 PM

Question: Most horrific moment in Romero's films?

My vote goes to the scene at the end of Dawn of the Dead when the elevator opens to reveal Steven as a zombie.

Runner up goes to the teens' inards being devoured after the gas pump blows up in Night of the Living Dead -- the first moment you know that they are HUNGRY, and not just murderous.

Posted by: superasente at October 6, 2009 6:19 PM

George >> Yes, well said indeed. I especially appreciated the Borg comparison. I was actually just considering the zombie attributes of the Borg last night.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 6, 2009 6:20 PM

As an offshoot of the social commentary discussion, things don't need to play out as an exact allegory to be social commentary. I prefer a more subtle approach that offers subtext and enriches a film and its characters. Night of the Living Dead has that in it, whether it's intentional or not.

I think it should also be noted that historical context also enriches a film/text/whatever. A piece of art is ultimately a product of the time it was created. It may not change the way you view it, but it can. Mostly, it just makes for fun analysis.

Posted by: kelsy at October 6, 2009 6:29 PM

I've always liked the opening of NOTLD for it being the only time in the Romero series (maybe all zombie movies) where for a few minutes, we're in the regular, non-zombie world.

It's all the more affecting when you know what's coming....

Posted by: Jacktrade at October 6, 2009 6:41 PM

Now that I know the context (I'd heard the line forever and ever) "They're coming to get you, Barbara" is some mighty good foreshadowing.

Does anyone remember Stick Figure Theatre from Liquid Television? They did this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUyYhh2jbSU

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 6, 2009 6:44 PM

It might be worth mentioning for whatever reason that Romero also made an existential vampire movie called "Martin," which, IIRC off seeing it just one time many years ago, is also bleak and slow and in black and white, * SPOILER!!!* and the "hero" dies in the end. George sort of had a theme going there.

Posted by: , (TCFKAB) at October 6, 2009 6:46 PM

Night of the Living Dead will always scare the absolute piss out of me. I don't consider any of his other films to really exist (okay, maybe the one where they're in the mall -- Dawn of the Dead?), because there are none that can top NotLD. The casting of a black lead was ballsy and absolutely worth it, because Romero knew what social commentary was back then. The newer ones were shaved down to formulaic "oh no there's zombies and they're going to eat us and I'm making weird faces oh no."

Posted by: duckandcover at October 6, 2009 8:18 PM

I have to say on my second viewing I was surprised at how creepy this movie was. Considering it's age I wasn't sure it would be able to hold up but it still got me.

As much as I enjoy a good bloody, decomposing zombie, a couple of the ghouls from this film looked clean and tidy enough to have come from their own wakes which I actually found quite unsettling. The zombies I always see are creatures I've never seen in real life. Some of these however look just like embalmed bodies I *have* seen before which gave me the chills.

I found the scene where Ben find Mrs. Cooper's body disturbing, as well. It may not be over the top for our time but I actually found it more horrific than countless kills I've seen in modern horror movies.

Also, while I can't speak much to the racial or gender commentary, I, personally, have always felt that zombies in a way represent something like mob mentality. They are us, but they can be reasoned with or dissuaded. They are a group of "humans" overtaken by a sickness and now are only seeking to eat you alive. But it's not just their single-mindedness, it also plays on the fear of being just one person surrounded by countless others. There's a sort of social phobia about it that's difficult for me to describe, but it puts an interesting twist Ben's death.

Anyway, while these weren't my favorite kind of
zombies (see: Max Brooks), I certainly found it enjoyable, creepy, and my favorite Romero movie.

Posted by: HotMustard at October 6, 2009 10:17 PM

NOTLD is rightfully iconic, because it does what great countercultural artifacts do: it uses a low brow context to highlight truths that mainstream art is pressured to ignore.

Your questions:
1. Went in expecting the effects to suffer but be otherwise interesting, wasn’t disappointed. I could appreciate it with it’s historical context
2. It was archetypal and the love Romero earned for his revolting creations was clearly well earned
3. Zombies are a symbol of relentless, self-defeating hunger, stripped of intellectual justification (probably more evident in Dawn, but still relevant here). Once the food source is gone, all that is left is to rot. Human survivors on the other hand may have the wherewithal to address the greater questions, but through their other intellectual constructs- ego, race, sex- they tear themselves apart.
4. I can imagine a black man being cast as a resourceful hero and leader of a group of scared white people was a radical statement for an era of race riots and assassinations. The fact that race wasn’t directly addressed in the script added to the realism. Overt racism is only the tip of the social iceberg, most of it lurks beneath the surface in the assumptions people like Cooper make about the people around them. A soapbox “nigger vs whitey” drama could only have looked staged and would probably have dramatically reduced the cultural lifespan of the film.
5. Her depiction was weak. While it didn’t overshadow the film, it was stood out as a helpless screaming female role in a movie that was otherwise making positive statements on behalf of the forgotten segments of society. Felt similarly about Dawn: according to the doco on the extras disc of Dawn, it wasn’t until Gaylen Ross virtually shook Romero that Francine got something positive to do. Fortunately Romero, being the “do what you think is best” kind of director he is gave her latitude to beef up her character.
6. ***BOOK SPOILERS***Don’t even mention that Will Smith abomination in relation to either Mathieson’s book or Romero’s film. Both stories focus on the norm becoming the other without realising it and IAL the film threw it out the window in favour of a bullshit Hollywood feel good ending. IAL the book approaches that “norm->other” transition differently to the film. In NOTLD’s, the transition was a horror device- communications go down, radio fails, tv fails, survivor numbers dwindle, society slowly collapses. The film is about the transition as it happens. In the book the transition is complete, the twist is that the protagonist doesn’t realise it. He becomes the monster that stalks the sleeping, the dark legend of a new human society that forms around him while he sleeps, returning only when it is ready to take over. The realisation that he is the exception and not the rule is poignant rather than horrifying. The film: none of the above.
7. I read I Am Legend first, so it was more of an academic exercise, but it was still enjoyable. Not really terrifying, but unnerving once I learned to stop looking at the seams and appreciate the concepts.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at October 6, 2009 11:36 PM

myys(fS), did i ever tell you that you're my 2nd favorite (i *have* to say 2nd, AvBp is out there, waiting to catch me pajiblandering.)

i didn't even have to click the blue link to stick figure theater, it's etched in my grey matter already. liquid television ruled!!! (yes, three exclamation points worth, it's what people like me had instead of god.)

worth saying: i want to print out this thread, pin it to a body pillow, snuggle with it, dream of it, and sully its holiness with a nocturnal bath of my hunchy efforts. also, make out with it.

Posted by: gp at October 7, 2009 12:03 AM

Dude. GP.

Make out with my comments first.

Posted by: superasente at October 7, 2009 12:18 AM

I am abnormally fond of you as well, gp.
And hell, I keep AvB first too, no hard feelings.

Did you know that the first 2 seasons of Liquid Television are online? Do you want to know where to go?
Ninjavideo.net Look under the Cartoons tab. Send me sexual favors later.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 7, 2009 1:05 AM

Hee. You kids are teh hotness. You're both my #1! We should just make it a threesome. Yeah. That's an excellent idea. Plus, new tagline: Pajiba: Bringing weird relationships together since 2003.

Also, this: i want to print out this thread, pin it to a body pillow, snuggle with it, dream of it, and sully its holiness with a nocturnal bath of my hunchy efforts. also, make out with it. = yes, I'll take one of those body pillows too. Pajiba movie club rox!

And thanks for reminding me about Stick Figure Theater, because I had forgotten it, myysharona!! I can't believe I had, because it was awesome. And now I know where to find it, whee!!

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at October 7, 2009 9:46 AM

sweet! also, i read that as "send me sexual fLavors.

i can't wait to see what movie dustin-nozzle picks next. i hope it's 'tank girl'. i have way too many thoughts on 'tank girl'.

plus: brunette naomi watts
minus: intrusive kangaroos

Posted by: gp at October 7, 2009 9:55 AM

Ok, you whippersnappers. Saw this in 1968. On a hot summer night. At the drive-in. Which was next to a GRAVEYARD. Add to that, that the news anchor, Bill Cardill, was within my tv reception radius and I watched him on Chiller Theater every Saturday. To cap all this off, the news crawl at the bottom of the screen with the emergency locations included the police station which was 1 mile from the drive-in. We were 10 years old and we were through.

As to the racial commentary, NOTLD was made one year after "In the Heat of the Night" with Sidney Portier. Heat of the Night was the first film where a black man slaps the snot out of a white man and doesn't die for it. As a black child in the 60's to see a horror film where the black character wasn't a gibbering fool, was inspirational. A strong resourceful black man on screen who wasn't taking crap from anyone? Hell, that was a revelation. Duane Jones was every black man in my neighborhood. We knew him. We knew that man existed cause he was our fathers, our brothers, our friends. That he had to die at the end at the hands of rednecks was tragic, but was absolutely no surprise to us. That was the world we knew.

I do not believe for one minute that Romero didn't know what he was doing when he cast Duane Jones. He may have been the best actor who auditioned, but when has that ever stood in the way of a director not choosing a white guy? He knew. What he couldn't know was how young black folks would take it.

Posted by: khia213 at October 7, 2009 1:42 PM

Ooooh, Tank Girl would be fun. I can't watch it with my gf present because she WON'T SHUT UP and keeps talking along with the damn movie.
I used to read the comic, it was always in the back of Details. Why I read a men's magazine as a teenaged girl, I'm not sure. But I used to love it and thought it was damn funny.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at October 7, 2009 2:30 PM

Some of the commenters are talking about what zombies might "symbolize", I think it's an interesting subject for us zombie-lovers...you can come up with a lot of interpretations that all make sense in their own way, so I don't think there's any one right answer. But I like to think of them as representing forces of nature which are part of all of us, but which human civilization (and the individual ego) fears or tries to suppress awareness of--death, physical decay, mindless animal hunger and violence (like velociraptors!), the loss of individuality in a swarm, etc. And if zombies are seen as representing violent mindless natural forces unbound, then you could see them as sort of drawing on the same sort of archetype as old legends as followers of Dionysus (Greek god of drunkenness, ecstasy, madness)...this bit of a page on Dionysus has a rather zombie-like feel:

Followers of Dionysus often took part in the Bacchanalia, a frenzied festival that incorporated wine with dancing and sexual activity. The animalistic instinct associated with the Bacchanalia empowered his women followers, known as Maenads, who in their release from sanity and inhibitions allegedly would tear apart animals or children and devour the raw flesh.

Such is the case in the fifth-century B.C.E. play The Bacchae by Euripides. Pentheus has the stranger Dionysus arrested for impropriety, but when the god manages to tempt the king to don women's clothes and spy on the Maenads, they attack him and tear his body apart.

Posted by: Jesse M. at October 7, 2009 5:03 PM

Delurking to comment on this. I teach college English and showed this last year to a freshman multicultural lit course; it was Halloween week and I thought it would be a fun way to get them talking about race and social tensions. Before we watched it, I had them do group projects on America in 1968. It's amazing everything that happened the year this came out--the MLK and RFK assassinations; the DC riots; the Tet Offensive; the Howard and Columbia protests; the Civil Rights Act; LBJ's speech; the Miss America protest. What I love about this movie is that it's not overtly about anything political, but knowing about all those social anxieties adds so much to the tension--the fear of rioting and chaos, the tension between the younger and older generations, the way Ben's death takes on extra levels of significance because the actor is black.

It was fascinating watching it with a younger audience. I'm only 30, but I was pretty cynical in my assumptions that they'd be bored by something relatively slow in comparison to current horror films. They thought it was kind of cheesy at first, but by the end of the first class they couldn't wait for the next class to finish it, and found it really creepy and unsettling. They were fascinated by the fact that Ben was not deliberately cast as black, and it helped us discuss how much meaning is created by context rather than by the creator's intent. I was most amused by their reaction to Barbara--they hated her and yelled at the screen every time she did something stupid.

I just started my freshman Gothic Lit & Film class on their 1968 project and will be showing it to them at the end of the month. I can't wait to see what they think of it. :)

Posted by: sherunslunatic at October 7, 2009 8:00 PM

Nothing at all was scary. I repeat NOTHING at all was scary! I was bored out of my mind 80% of the film. 19% I was angered at the idiot boyfriend or the retarded GF. Seriously, Someone here said that they reacted realistically to the situations. What is wrong with you! The woman acted as if she just wanted to ignore everything and hoped it went away... yet claimed it had been happening since she was 8. They guy on the other hand pretended he had the slightest clue as to what he was doing. "I GOT A PLAN" as he sprinkles baby powder on the floor... WTH did he think that was going to do... show him something/someone was there.. Hadnt that already been established by that point of the "film"? Where was the plan? He threatens the "ghost/demon" what ever the heck it was as if hes going to fight it... Really!? The only time the acting was good is... well never mind because it wasn't ever good. OK at best during the many arguments that took place in the film.

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