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Mia Farrow and Family Discuss Woody Allen Devastation. Media Expectedly Misses Point.

By Courtney Enlow | Miscellaneous | October 2, 2013 | Comments ()


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In the November issue of Vanity Fair, writer Maureen Orth talks to Mia Farrow and her children, 20 years after her first story on the sexual-abuse allegations involving Woody Allen and his and Farrow’s adopted daughter, Dylan. If you’ve never read the 1992 piece, please do. It is completely heart-wrenching and sickening.

And it makes you wonder why Allen has largely avoided the wrath seen against Roman Polanski.

Don’t get me wrong. Polanski has seen almost zero punishment for his horrific, violent assault against a 13-year-old child. Hollywood continues to embrace him with open, loving, forgiving, “it’s cool, bro!” arms. But, we, the internet strong, the movie lovers, our views are tainted, even those who are more skilled at separating man from artist. Polanski’s career is forever colored, however lightly, in “child rapist.”

But, Allen’s isn’t. Aside from scattered Soon-Yi jokes, largely delivered by those still making Monica Lewinsky references and Austin Powers impressions, no one talks about the darkness behind those stale Soon-Yi late night zingers. No one talks about Dylan Farrow.

And, today, after the story went public, no one’s talking about Dylan Farrow. Instead, they’re talking about how Ronan Farrow might be the biological son of Frank Sinatra.

That’s what they took from that interview. Not Dylan’s still “crippling” fears, or the “blood on [Allen’s] hands” in the death of Lark Previn, Soon-Yi’s sister, who died of heart failure at 35. Just the fun, barely-scandalous “ooooh! Mia had a different baby daddy, y’all! Call Maury!”

If you read the 1992 article, the backlash against Farrow was one of blaming the woman scorned, blaming jealousy for these allegations. Allen and his supporters sprinkled rumored sins and failings of Farrow and her children to any news medium that would listen to tarnish her, this woman who adopted all these kids, many with special needs, and gave them good lives. And we don’t even think about it. His movies continue to come out to acclaim, with little to no mention of his personal past, and, today, blogs, tabloids and magazines taut the much more exciting story of questionable parentage over the meat of the piece. (In fairness, it lead to this amazing tweet from Ronan Farrow himself, who is by all accounts hilarious and awesome.)

Maybe everyone has finely honed those skills only some have with Polanski, the ability to separate man from artist. But, when the crimes are this severe, should they?



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  • DeltaJuliet

    I'm starting to think that the people who have such a hard time believing sex abuse victims have never had to suffer being abused themselves. How nice to be in a such a position.
    I know there are the instances where adult women regret a sex act and claim rape (although not as often as some people would have you believe). But seriously, little kids? When they can describe sex acts that no child should know about, when they are scared and uncomfortable around an adult, how can you possibly think they are making it up?

  • cruzzercruz

    People do fucked up things. I can still enjoy the humor and intelligence behind a Woody Allen film despite what he's done in his personal life. If I had to swear off everyone who's done something horrific, I'd enjoy very little music, movies, have no friends or family, and be pretty much forced to live on a desert island, not even speaking to myself.

  • The sad part is that the next two articles in my RSS feed are just that: "Mia Farrow Claims Frank Sinatra, Not Woody Allen, Might Be Ronan's Father"

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I think Woody Allen gets somethin gof a pass because there weren't ever charges filed for anything. It's gross, it makes me uncomfortable, but Soon-Yi was technically an adult when it appears the relationship started.

    I haven't blacklisted Woody, but I don't think I've gone to see one of his movies in the theaters since Matchpoint. Kind of a shame, from an artistic point of view, because his movies have looked interesting to me - Vicky Christina Barcelona, Midnight in Paris - in a way that the clips I've seen of Annie Hall or Hannah and her Sisters never have.

    I'm surprised Salinger's interest in significantly younger women and his serial relationships with them hasn't come up in any of the recent discussions about him here.

  • emmalita

    I think the fact that the abuse allegations came during the ugly breakup and revelation of the really gross affair with his girlfriend's daughter muddied the waters for a lot of people. It's common for angry people to make unfounded allegations during custody battles. It makes it easier to dismiss Farrow's accusations. And the sex abuse allegations just weren't as juicy as the on-going relationship with Soon-yi.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I do agree with the problem of the timing.

  • Strand

    Roman Polanski got off (almost) scott free. If he pulled this shit in 2013, he'd be thrown in prison. Hey, I like The Pianist too, but it boggles my mind how sympathetic and forgiving people are regarding his horrible crime.

  • joseph

    Ummm, one was convicted in a court of law, sort of a meaningful difference for some people.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    He may not have been convicted of pedophilia, but a judge did deny him custody of his children because of his questionable actions. And his daughter is apparently still terrified of him.

    Also, no one is denying that he seduced the high school aged daughter of his girlfriend and took naked pictures of her. A daughter who had a long history of abuse (with her bio mom) and developmental delays. He had been with the family for over 10 years, and had a position of trust that he abused to gain access to a young, desirable girl. That's pretty monstrous, even if she was of age.

  • Wigamer

    Most of the Catholic priests who molested scores of children will never be convicted in a court of law. Do "some people" think that those victims are lying, or that only convicted rapists are actually guilty? I'm curious.

  • joseph

    There was also an actual investigation with professionals hired and no evidence of abuse found. The differences are vast, there was an active culture of covering up in one, not the other. Also, you're logical reasoning is off because it is akin to, "some people did bad things, therefore everyone accused of bad things have done bad things."

  • Wigamer

    My reasoning is informed by the fact that Dylan, now an adult, says she was molested by Woody Allen.

  • Ruthie O

    Holy fuck. I had absolutely no idea. Annie Hall has been officially removed from my "top three movies of all time list." I wish I could do something more; I'm only on the first page of the 1992 article and I'm completely nauseous.

  • Ben

    Wow I didn't know any of this shit about him, I knew vaugley about the Sun Yi shit but to the extent of 'he banged his girlfriends daughter and is kind of a creep' but not 'mollested 7 yearolds and deserves to burn in hell' shit.

    Well time to add Woody Allen to the list 'people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire'

  • Sarah

    Sorry but I have to: the past form of the verb "to lead" is "led," not "lead'.

  • GTFOI

    I have never cared for Woody Allen, however I also wouldn't believe Mia Farrow if she said water was wet.

  • Becks

    I was too young when this happened to form an opinion of Farrow. What is it that makes you so sure of her dishonesty?

  • Wigamer

    OK, but why would Dylan lie about being molested? What could she possibly gain?

  • Slash

    And I always find much older dude/really young woman stories creepy. Regardless of how well-done or artful they are. It's just creepy. Whether it's Woody Allen or Hugh Hefner, equally creepy.

    The only ones who don't seem to realize that are the much older dudes. The really young women at least have the excuse that they are usually too dumb/inexperienced to know better. But the old dudes don't have that excuse.

    I assume it's some weird thing where they fear death and aging and having a super young woman as a partner makes them feel "alive" or "young" or whatever. Not that that's a good excuse.

  • pthalio

    on a related note.. i've wondered why Morgan Freedman dating his 'step granddaughter' never gets any press... just as gross/creepy as the woody allen thing to me.. she may not be blood but he was considered family at some point in her life

  • DeltaJuliet

    I saw quite a bit about it when it first came out. Nothing recent though.

  • Slash

    Yeah, I've never been a huge Woody Allen fan. I'm not saying his movies suck, just that I've never been a fan of neurotic characters. Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I don't find them entertaining, I find them tiresome.

  • Viking

    Roman Polanski directed Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. She has these dudes in her life, and it makes me sad for her. I can't help but wonder if Polanski put the moves on her too. Yuck. I haven't ever been able to understand the appeal of Woody Allen's movies, not than I have seen many. There are a few truly funny moments here and there (the upright bass in the marching band cracked me up), but there is always a creepy older guy-younger woman or even girl vibe to them, like he has unhealthy obsessions with sex and leering. I kind of hated how the one character obsessed over Barbara Hershey in Hannah and Her Sisters. He's just gross and I can't get past it. I remember the scandal with Soon Yi, and always wondered why I never heard anything from her. I hated how the press painted Farrow. I'm relieved to see in this thread that I'm not the only one who saw through the bullshit.

  • Sars

    My boyfriend, an avid Woody Allen fan, made me watch this documentary about him- "being woody" (I think is the name), which was clearly sanctioned by Allen and friends co. in its, they totally glossed over the molestation charges/ allegations parts, with Allen addressing the Soon-Yi debacle as "I honestly didnt think people would care so much, I mean, I'm me. I'm not important." THE FUCK??? He is totally portrayed as the victim of Mia and her horrible vindictiveness, with his friends testifying in the doc as to how "hard" the time was for him.... Woody Allen is very powerul, Polanski is not. Also Polanski was a foreigner, and he got the brunt of an overzealous prosecutor. At the end of the day, Polanski fuked up. He did the crime, and he should pay for it. However ,Woody Allen is a fucking monster and the way he destroyed Mia was disgusting. She is such a lovely, sensative soul, and I'm glad to see her children have rallied around her. Her son is fucking gorgeous, and if I were him, I'd rather be related to Sinatra ( a gangster but not a child mollester) than creepy uncle woody.
    And that tweet is so right.

  • kirbyjay

    Actually, it was an overzealous judge. Polanski was never tried or convicted. The 13 year old and her family did not want to go through a trial and relive the trauma. Her lawyer and the DA offered a plea bargain to Polanski where if he pled guilty to unlawful intercourse with a minor and went to a psychiatric 90 day evaluation in a prison setting there would be no trial. The judge, DA and the defense all agreed. RP did half the sentence and was released. The judge, an egomaniac, decided that releasing RP would not be good for HIS image, sent him back to jail for an indeterminate period of time (possibly years) thus invalidating the plea bargain, which he was not allowed to do. That is why RP fled, not because he was found guilty and skipped out on his sentence.
    This, of course, does not defend his actions regarding the rape. The victim, not only sexually assaulted by RP but was reamed by the justice system and the media as well.
    Polanski also apologized to her for his actions and the media onslaught, an apology she accepted as sincere.
    As for Woody and his woody, he's never gotten a dime of mine since the Soon-Yi scandal, and he never will

  • jen

    I discovered Woody Allen movies in my teens. I was 16 and I fell in love with "Hannah & Her Sisters". I loved "Purple Rose of Cairo" and "Zelig". I felt artsy & cool. I started watching Ingmar Bergman films. I might have had a little crush on Woody Allen. Not cool for a 16 year old in 1986.

    I went through his back catalog and there were hits and misses. I got to "Manhattan" and was taken aback by his 42 year old character dating a 17 year old Mariel Hemingway. It was so... odd. I felt sorry for the 17 year old girl. And Woody's character for the first time ever seemed completely pathetic. Dian Keaton came off shrill. And this was his masterpiece? Bah!

    I kept watching his films, although they seemed to get darker in tone. Farrow's characters took on darker tones. "Husbands and Wives" pretty much broke my heart, along with the scandal. I was done with Woody.

    Recently, my husband (who never saw a Woody Allen movie) wondered what I liked about those films. I tried to show him a few of my old favorites. "Hannah" is the only one that I can still watch. It's a love letter to Farrow, and to NYC. The rest, I'm done.

    I think in that movie, at that time in his life, he lived Mia Farrow and those kids, in some normal and healthy way. That movie seems like a snapshot to a time, maybe a brief time, when all was well.

    I don't know, maybe I'm reaching for straws. I know he's done monstrous things. But at some point, these humans who commit monstrous acts, they weren't monsters. They were artists who created something we loved...

  • Loulou Von Spiel

    I was also a teen with a crush on Allen and I saw all his early movies, then gradually lost interest by the time he was with Mia Farrow(coincidentally). I remember the Soon-yi thing and thought it was weird..Never knew about the rest though and it sounds creepy indeed..But I agree with you, and do not want to taint the artist's work with his personal life. However, there are so much unsavoury things happening in Hollywood that I think it is best to separate the work from the people behind it. Some nice people make very bad films I am sure as well, but you don't go see them just for that!

  • emmalita

    My mom was a huge Woody Allen fan, and I saw his movies with her. She took me with her when Annie Hall came out, I was 8/9. Seeing Woody Allen movies was our thing that we didn't fight about. I can appreciate the conflict that you feel.

  • F'mal DeHyde

    I can't remember ever seeing a Woody Allen movie besides Purple Rose, which I really enjoyed. He doesn't act in it though, maybe that's the secret.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Bullets Over Broadway. I really like that movie. But Woody isn't in that one either.

    I want to see Purple Rose, but his personal history does make me uncomfortable enough I haven't sought it out. (though I wouldn't turn away if I came across it on cable)

  • Leah

    Er am I the only one who sees a difference between drugging, raping and sodimizing a 13 year old and marrying your girlfriend's (of consensual age) daughter? Seriously?

  • F'mal DeHyde

    If you follow the link and read the older story at Vanity Fair, you'll see he also had an unhealthy relationship with a small child.

  • I am not playing the "which rape is worse" game.

  • DeltaJuliet

    Finally a voice of reason! Seriously people?

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Oh but come on, the suffering Olympics is the best game in town.

    Next topic:
    Which was worse: Slavery or the Holocaust?

  • rio

    is this is your first week in Hell's Admission's office? I understand your conundrum, they both deserve hell but how do you pick exactly which circle of hell you are supposed to send them too?
    Don't worry since it's your fist week I'm sure your new boss Satan will be very understanding will be fine if you just put them both along with all the other pedophiles, sexual predators and pederast. And good luck on your new career!

  • Leah

    Thanks for your lovely comments. As someone who has personal experience of this and even managed to send a pedophile to prison, I am certainly not taking the side of a rapist. If he did this, then to be honest boycotting his films is hardly justice, he should be in jail, for a long long time, see if his cell mates care so much about his Bergman period.

    I spent some time with lawyers and police because of my case and know a little bit about it. I based my comments on what has been proven so far. None of us offering our tuppence on this site know whether or not he abused her or not.

    Now please feel free to carry on telling me about my new career in hell. Ironically I really could tell you something about it.

  • mariaj

    Leah, i appreciate your comment. It seems that here someone FORGETS that there is another difference between Allen and Polanski: Allen faced the investigation, with the risk of a process, and maybe i am wrong, but there have been experts that sayd that found no evidences of molestations of Woody toward her daughter. Now, maybe would have been better if there had been a process, to clarify better the things but fact is, NOTHING has been proved. Sure, there is still the SoonYi case, but i don't see how that could compared with Polanski.

  • Wigamer

    Would it matter if you knew that Mia Farrow found semi-nude (and maybe nude--I can't remember) photos of a high-school aged Soon Yi among Woody's possessions?

    ETA--they were fully nude, and he took them. Nice guy.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Nude. Nude and spread eagled, because nothing says "I'm and upstanding gentleman" like preying upon your girlfriend's children. And hey, he doesn't discriminate, 18 year olds, 7 year olds, they're all fair game. What a cool guy.

    Also, there's some pretty convincing evidence that Soon Yi has some form of mental delays that make Allen especially horrendous.

  • How about the repeated molestation of a seven-year old? That closer to Polanski? Read the damn article.
    If I were prone to violence, I'd care less about separating Allen from his work than separating his head from his shoulders.

  • Octarin

    Damn, I just fell in love with you, boss. Total love for that line up there.

  • Wigamer

    It's really hard to separate the man and his work. Mariel Hemingway's role in Manhattan? Even the relationship between his character and the niece in Crimes and Misdemeanors is pretty telling. I read Mia's book a few years after it came out and haven't seen a film since. And Mia was a scorned woman? Such bullshit. Like that's your worry when your boyfriend tries to seduce your daughter? Ugh.

    Edited because Mariel and Margaux are different people.

  • PDamian

    I'm thinking that the reason Allen gets the "bye" that Polanski doesn't is that for many years, his films have almost guaranteed Oscars or Oscar nominations to actors, and often even to actors who were outclassed by the competition. Mira Sorvino, Dianne Wiest, Mariel Hemingway (who lost to Meryl Streep), Judy Davis (who lost to Marisa Tomei), Samantha Morton (who lost to Angelina Jolie), ... the list goes on and on. Fewer male actors on it (Chazz Palmintieri, Sean Penn, Allen himself), and no wins that I could find, but still, a nice career bump, and good bumps even if one isn't nominated. Polanski's films don't come with the same career advantages, even if Adrien Brody did win for The Pianist. As an actor, wouldn't you be reluctant to speak ill of someone who could toss you a hell of a good role, a lot of press, and possibly even an Oscar nomination?

  • Robert

    I can only separate Allen from his work when it's totally removed from his usual tropes since his last film with Farrow. So, Match Point and Midnight in Paris. The rest of the time, I'm reminded immediately what a spiteful, self-hating, misogynist ass he is.

    My God, Cate Blanchett is going to win an Oscar for being the butt of two hours of "Women, am I right?" jokes written by Woody Allen for Blue Jasmine. She handles the material well but every "laugh at the crazy lady" joke made me sick to my stomach. It even made me start to reconsider how the women were written in Midnight in Paris and taint my view of that. Oh look, the American women are all shrews, Gertrude Stein included, and the much younger French women are the only ones worth investing in.

    Allen only has respect for himself hidden behind a long line of surrogate characters who feign self-loathing. He has a very good PR machine. That's the only reason why the abuse allegations against him didn't stick like they did to Polanski. It would have taken an actual trial and conviction to really tarnish his reputation.

  • NateMan

    Well that's... disturbing. Never given this guy one red cent, and I don't intend to start now.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I refused to see any Woody Allen film because of the Soon-yi thing. It's really troubling how people frame abuse as "love" if they think the offender is a genius. I refuse to understand this and I hate it when someone I used to admire takes up for these predators and tries to diminish their acts.

    I actually turned in a copy of that article to my film professor as the reason I wouldn't be sitting through screenings of Annie Hall and The Purple Rose of Cairo. I told him I'd be happy to write about the effects of abuse on children though.

  • Loulou Von Spiel

    Isn't a bit immature to insist on discarding the work of an artist on the ground of his personal life? Unless Allen had made a film on the topic of pedophilia, i don't see how that's even relevant. Neither Annie Hall nor Purple Rose are remotely touching that topic. I do, however , appreciate boycotting the commercial purchase of an artist's work if you do not think he is a worthy individual.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I guess it's a question of worth: I don't really care about affairs or drug use, simply because that's not my business. But if I feel someone is really morally questionable, then I'm not going to see his work.
    He did make one movie about dating a high school girl didn't he (I haven't seen it and don't know the name, but I think the actress was Mariel Hemingway)?
    I'm not going to see his movies because I really feel that he's a bad individual and I don't want to support his work. I don't have an Gauguin prints in my home either. Plus, at least in my class, what I objected to was white-washing him, don't tell me he's a genius and a victim of an evil plot to discredit him when there's evidence to the contrary.
    That's my opinion. I'm going to have to resort to paraphrasing the pact I made with my vegan friend: I won't worry about you watching Woody Allen movies if you don't try to shame me into seeing them.

  • Xander

    I am sorry but that's bullshit. You don't get skip on school assignments or pick them yourself because of things like this. If they give you a pass for this this opens the floodgates. The sad truth is that there are monsters everywhere. Politics,army, science...we don't get to pick and chose who we write or listen about. If you don't like it you should suffer through it like an adult not throw a temper tantrum like a child do the "But I don't wanna "dance

    Fucking grow up people. The real life is not the goddamn internet. If you don't like a person or a subject that's your right. If you want to express your opinion on him in class or in your term paper that's also your right. But you don't get to change your goddamn assignments like some spoiled child

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Please don't say you're sorry. That's just the silliest, most insincere way of deflecting negative responses to your criticism. Right up there with Just Sayin'. You're not sorry, I'm not sorry, Woody's not sorry.
    In college, you can choose to do your assignments or choose not to. I have no problem admitting there are monsters in every aspect of life. But usually monsters are studied for being monsters - very few courses overlook WWII and just critique Hitler's art.
    What I do have a problem with is lionizing people who are pedophiles while refusing to discuss their crimes.
    College isn't the army, you don't have to do exactly as told or face court martial.
    I chose not to do the assignment, and I'll grant you the article was a smart ass way to do it. I didn't say I wasn't penalized for it. I accepted the penalty like the spoiled child that I was and moved on. See how that works?

  • Xander

    Ehh the sorry was more sarcastic . I am obviously not really sorry. It's just a figure of speech

    Sure you can. But unless you learn in some really crappy college not doing your assignments means you get a bad grade
    Not really. There were plenty of monsters among the allies as well but people rarely discuss them

    And as I said it is well within your write to argue this during discussion in class. It is well within your write for your views on it to be reflected in your term paper. But to skip an assignment and to be arrogant enough to tell your professors that you refuse to work on his assignment but you might concede to doing one you chose yourself? That's the behavior of entitled spoiled brats and should absolutely not be tolerated in either college,school or anywhere really

    Hey if you are willing to accept the penalty I don't have a problem. But your original post gave a very different and very bratty impression

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I get that sorry was sarcastic and insincere, just rhetorically it seems, to use your word, bratty.

    I told him my feelings on Allen and he told me that we would absolutely not discuss "wild conjecture" in his class. So I thought it would be rude to show up to his post-screening discussion and say "yeah, but Soon-Yi and Dylan" every time he spoke.

    Seriously though, what kind of awesome college did you go to where you think there wouldn't be a penalty for skipping an assignment? 'Cause man, I picked the wrong school.

    I never thought the professor would allow me to do a substitute assignment of my own design. I was pointing out to him the reason I skipped it. He knew where I stood, I knew where he stood. No one cried or threw a tantrum - that I know of - I wasn't with him all day.
    ETA - Skipping one assignment doesn't equal a bad grade, a lower grade, sure, but I wrote a paper per screening for that class, so I assure you Woody wasn't the make or break point.

  • Xander

    Exactly. I went to a normal university where they were penalties for not doing your work. So your initial post made it look to me like you were going either to some pseudo college where you can do whatever you want or the a normal college that has finally gone insane and capitulated in front of spoiled children

    However if you were indeed ready to take your punishment for not doing your work as I said this is an entirely different situations

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    You made a lot of sweeping assumptions from a two paragraph internet post. If you wanted to rant about kids these days, you picked the wrong person. I am most definitely not a spoiled child - I'm waaaay too old to be considered a child.

    I mean, it's nice that you took the time to insult me (and I guess my college), but the tone you used was just so condescending and superior that I couldn't resist an internet argument - one of the lowest forms of disagreement. So really, you're right, I'm not mature, I should have ignored this silliness and moved on.

  • Xander

    It's the internet. Spoiled kids who like to brag how they know better and how the rules don't apply to them thrive here. The tone of your post seemed in a similar fashion so it's a natural assumption especially since you came off just as smug as me ;)

    But oh well I was wrong for once. It's good to be wrong once in a while. It keeps me humble.....well no I am far too narcissistic to be humbled by anything but it's still an interesting experience ;)

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Isn't everyone supposed to be assertive on the internet? I mean google makes experts of us all.

    Truce? Shall we internet hug via a meme? I have no good gifs for this since, well these types of things rarely remain civil (I'm new here, it's amazing how civil everyone can be).

  • Xander

    Google...dude. no. That's for geeks man. True knowledge comes from information we heard from the friend of our third's cousin wife. Or Fox news

    Hmm. I am not sure how gif work here. Let me try. Does this work?

  • Xander

    Hmm no that was a picture for other occasions. I think this is the one

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Dibs on the baldy with the mustache!

  • Xander

    I am afraid he is married. To her...

  • Xander

    Ops. No. Wrong guy. The baldie is free. Good luck!

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Oh, I just meant as a representation of me. I could never be with anyone that ripped, I eat too many carbs.

  • idiosynchronic

    I was too self-absorbed in 1994 ('95?) when taking a film criticism class to make a similar stand. The instructor somehow danced around Allen's issues despite making the semester theme Woody Allen's oeuvre.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I went to a very causy, protest-friendly school, so don't think I was Norma Rae. I was just another student with a pile of papers yelling for a cause.

    But yeah, I hated listening to my film professor drone on and on about how we needed to understand Allen's work, but disregard his personal life.

    I was so happy when we moved on to Kurosawa.

  • jeannebean

    It's a no-brainer. Kurosawa was a much better director; plus, there's occasional nearly-naked Toshiro Mifune.

  • Ryan Ambrose

    Is it wrong of me to not open that tab linking to the 1992 article so I can still think of Woody Allen as the neurotic New Yorker who made some good, very good and great films during his career?

    Yes, I possibly am.

    I can no longer watch Roman Polanski's movies, nor will I ever pay to see another one of his future projects, regardless of the "separate artist from his art" argument and even in the face of complacency I don't want to look at Woody the same way I now do at Polanski ever since I read about what he did to that girl.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I also get really upset at the actors and directors that try to forgive Polanski's crimes, like it wasn't a big deal.

    Whoopi Goldberg saying it wasn't "Rape, rape" is still one of the worst things I've ever heard.

  • rocky

    And mad props to Angelica Huston for giving a statement against Polanski. She was Hollywood Royalty, so she had some immunity, but she was also Jack's girlfriend.

    I'll always admire her for that stance.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    It's sad that her taking a stance was in any way surprising, but you're right: she deserves a ton of credit for doing the right thing when it would have been easier to be quiet.

  • Uriah_Creep

    Whoopi Goldberg saying it wasn't "Rape, rape" is still one of the worst things I've ever heard.

    That was a stunningly insensitive thing for Whoopi to say, and soured me on her as well.

  • Maguita NYC

    Wanted to be in the audience that day and hold a pic of her-at-the-time (I believe) 12 year-old granddaughter.

    Wonder if she would think her granddaughter having "consensual sex" with a 41-year-old man is okay. After of course being drugged and served alcohol. you know, to make it more consensual.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    I like that in Whoopi's mind, this child saying "no" repeatedly was consent. I mean clearly she should have made it more clear what she was saying "no" to. She could have been talking about anything, really.

  • IngridToday

    It's bullshit that people doubt grown women who say they were raped because they had a drink or didn't use their magical intuition to know the guy was dangerous, etc.
    It's sick to brush off a 13 year old being drugged, raped, and sodomize as "it wasn't 'real' rape", even calling it statutory rape is saying she consented.

  • Pitry

    And it's sicker that she's had to deal with that all her life, with the pressure from Hollywood and with hearing how it wasn't real rape etc. I'm all for women defining their own experiences rather than have others tell them what was rape and what wasn't, but hearing her saying now it wasn't rape... takes this attitude of mine to the limit.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    Her testimony in court is just so heartbreaking. She's saying "no", he's just doing whatever he wants, and she basically says she did what she had to to get home.
    I can't believe people like Harrison Ford and Natalie Portman can overlook this type of thing.

  • emmalita

    I haven't seen a Woody Allen movie since the affair with Soon-yi came out. I remember that there were abuse allegations, but I don't remember the Dylan Farrow part of the story. So I'm going to go read that article now.

  • rio

    I have a very clear memory of when the all Woody Allen-Soon-Yi thing happened the media, at least in italy, ended up also portraying Mia Farrow as this furious scorned woman who was a bit crazy. there was a lot of condemn for Woody Allen, of how creepy the all thing was, but there was also a lot of "Well it's not his biological daughter, he never actually adopted her, him and Mia Farrow had separate houses" and all of that. Like she was mad, but maybe a little too mad, like she wasn't fully justified. And I remember being sort of brainwashed by that, like we often are about the profound misogyny that permeates our society, but I digress. The thing this is, man is clearly a sexual predator and despite all the evidence that he clearly doesn't understand the relationship between a father and a daughter (wether we are talking about the abuse Dylan Farrow experienced or the fact that he started a sexual relationship with a minor that for all intent and purpose saw him as a added father figure for her and her siblings) and yet he was allowed to adopt two girls!
    Also I think the idea that Ronan Farrow could be Frank Sinatra's son is more of a comfort thing that anything else, would't you want to think that there is a chance that the man who hurt your family so deeply is not, in fact, your father or the father of one of your children?

  • Carrie/Teabelly

    I've never seen a Woody Allen film and I won't watch them. Partly because of this and partly because his neurotic characters do nothing for me (though I guess that's only coming from the clips I've seen). I think I saw an Oprah episode with Mia Farrow some years ago where she discusses this, and since then I've had no interest in anything Allen does. Such an odd man. I've always found it strange that so many actors gush over him. It's always 'Woody called and you don't say no to Woody.' You probably should.

  • socallmeshirley

    It's really colored my view of Diane Keaton, as well. The second line of her twitter bio is "friends with Woody Allen." https://twitter.com/Diane_Keat...

    I mean, come on Diane. Is that really something to brag about? Aren't you successful in your own right? It reminds me of Jodi Foster's seemingly blind devotion to Mel Gibson, no matter what he does.

  • rocky

    I'm gonna defend Diane Keaton. Standing by your friends is okay, even if they are assholes occasionally.

    As for Woody, I love his earlier films, and i don't - unlike some -think his personal life diminishes their achievements. Goddamn but Annie Hall is a good movie.

    But everything since Hannah and Her Sisters was pretty much a snoozefest, so I'm going to say the only good thing Woody had going for him was the "serrated edge" of a woman who had more power than he did. He used that phrase "serrated edge", once, to describe the power of art. But you look back on his work, and you realise that all the best work, Bananas, the Keaton movies, and the Farrow movies, were driven by women who were more than his equals.

    As soon as he got the power imbalance wrong - as abusers will - he lost what made his work interesting.

  • socallmeshirley

    "Standing by your friends is okay, even if they are assholes occasionally."

    I really have to draw the distinction between someone being an "asshole occasionally" and someone who sexually abused his 7-year-old daughter repeatedly. From the article:

    "Orth speaks to Farrow’s children, including Dylan, who now has another name and who discusses what she remembers about Allen and how his behavior has tormented her. She refuses ever to say his name. She calls her fears “crippling” and says, “I’m scared of him, his image.” Dylan tells Orth, “I have never been asked to testify. If I could talk to the seven-year-old Dylan, I would tell her to be brave, to testify.”

    His children don't talk to him at all anymore. Another one of Mia's sons went through and photoshopped him out of every family picture so that his mother and little sister wouldn't have to see his face.

    This is far, far different than being an "asshole occasionally." I don't care if you're my best friend. If your children stop talking to you because you sexually abused at least one of them, I can't stand behind you. It's absolutely beyond the pale.

    I can't speak to his work because I think it's irrelevant to this point. I remember enjoying Annie Hall when I watched it in high school, not knowing anything about him at all.

  • Aaron Schulz

    at least the Jodi Foster thing seems like they are actually friends, hes still an asshole, but some of my friends are huge assholes. Woody is just a rapist and a weirdo, i dunno why i make the distinction between the two, but its there i guess.

  • socallmeshirley

    I mean, some of my friends have their less-than-pleasant qualities, but I can't say any of them have ever done or said anything on the level of Mel Gibson. Besides all of his racism and anti-semitism, he has a history of domestic violence. I hope your friends aren't assholes like that.

  • lowercase_ryan

    I'm glad someone is talking about this. Sadly not much will change though. I read that 1992 piece a while ago and I'll never look at Woody the same again.

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