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By Brian Prisco | Posted Under Miscellaneous | Comments (30)



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As film critics, we often tear down without creating. We usually complain about how certain genres like horror and fantasy have gotten weaker. We complain and complain, but we never offer up solutions. So I’ve decided to run a column this week to cull suggestions of what you as a moderately rational filmgoing base are craving in your genre films. What would you like to see done on the big screen?

I love a good western. And I was mortally against the Coens doing a remake of True Grit. Then I saw it, and it was glorious. They don’t make many westerns anymore. But when they do, they’re usually pretty fucking amazing. Tombstone, The Quick and the Dead, Unforgiven, True Grit — and that’s just the modern ones. Hell, I’m watching Silverado as I type this.

The question is, do you think there’s room to do new stuff with the westerns? With the lax moral code, can we do better, gritty, more hardass westerns? The classics didn’t need people getting there heads blown off or their scalps scalped to be awesome. But then again, The Wild Bunch, so eat that.

Is there room to tell new stories in the Wild Wild West without it turning into The Wild Wild West? On that same regard, is there a way to do a sort of western that isn’t set in the 1800’s? Do you think there’s room for more projects like No Country for Old Men or even Last Man Standing? Do you think we could pull off an interesting neo-western?

I personally would like to see them be a little creative and push the boundaries on the western. Not everything has to be Cormac McCarthy, but the Coens have done a fine job keeping the faith alive. I’d like to see someone crack the code on this, but everyone seems to be doing a fine job dropping a gold nugget every three years or whatnot.

By the way, this was going to be a science fiction post, but I leave that to Steven Wilson. As I do not have a fucking clue on how to even crack that nut, since it goes all over the world. Then again, we’re about to see Cowboys & Aliens, so let’s hope.

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Comments

I want some historical realism in my westerns: accurate clothing, set design and speech as much as possible. If you can successfully create a milieu, then the vast part of creating the 4th wall is done for you. I realise that is a no-brainer and applies to all movies, but for period films in particular it is so important. In Sense and Sensibility I GASPED when Marianne shouted Willoughby's name at the party because they had so successfully created the world they live in. The audience will better understand and experience the characters, if the production team has been able to really do their job. Having said all that, we have just watched the first two episodes of Deadwood and I'm a little overwhelmed by the "realism" of the series*. I understand that the creators said they made conscious stylistic choices to drive home to the audience the realities of the era through language use etc., but I find it kind of overwhelming.

My wish list -

1. A grizzled veteran All dry and acerbic like. Laconic is a nice of an evening as well.

2. Vistas

3. 1870s period clothing (swoon)

4. I don't think I've ever seen a western set in a larger city, perhaps San Francisco or one of the larger towns people are always headed towards in these movies.

The best neo western I can think of is Star Wars.

*Who would have thought one could say, "He's the DEVIL," so many times during one 60 minute show?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 24, 2011 12:07 PM

The best thing one can do with the Western genre is take every cliche that one associates with them and throw out most of them. Part of the problem of this genre is that even if you've never seen a certain movie, you run the risk of know what's coming because the genre is so formulated.

Westerns need to stop trying to be some historically accurate period piece. It really isn't about history. The Western is to Americans what Samurai are to Japan or Knights to Europe. It's regional mythology. The story should theoretically work whether hero has a six-shooter or a rapier. Whether based in a far away kingdom or dusty frontier territory. The protagonist should be our avatar through this untamed land. And while he does not have to be the most righteous person in the world, we need to identify with him. Treat the Western more like an Ancient Greek tale minus the Kraken.

In a way the same holds true with the antagonist too. Too often the villain's development falls back into a cliche caricature. He can't just do bad things for the sake of being bad, he's got to have purpose. In his eyes he's not doing wrong. This is a savage and rough land and he feels his tactics be it stealing cattle, shooting down obstacles or robbing those unworthy of their wealth. And quite frankly, we have to like something about him too. I'm not saying I want to like him better that the hero (but it should come close) I want there to be a sense of accomplishment if and when the hero vanquishes him because your hero is only as great as the people he is challenged by. Otherwise you run the risk of making your hero look like a smarmy douche beating up on an annoying but otherwise lesser character. If there there is no chance of the hero failing, then there's no payoff when victory is earned. The Western setting should produce similar types of people, what they choose to do with the situation they've been placed in whether good or bad, should help make the story what it is.

For inspiration, I would recommended the comic book series "Weird Western Tales". They are sets of strange short stores in a Western setting. Some are Twilight Zone-ish, some are more horror and suspense based, and some are told like mythical fairy tales. But although they are in Western clothes they are less likely to be restricted to its structure using it more like flowing cloak than a skin-tight suit.

Posted by: bleujayone at January 24, 2011 12:08 PM

Tim Egan has written a number of books about the period subsequent to the colonization of the west and in particular the politics that pitched the large ranchers against the conservationists in the early part of the 20th century (particularly around cattle roaming rights on preserved state land), much of which led to kind of entrenched anti-green-pro gun mentality that we see in many western states today. Fascinating stuff.

Also, as we've seen in the more modern ones that you referenced above (as well as The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford), the genre has for the most part been cleansed of "the good pioneering white man versus the evil red savages" trope that beleaguered most of the Westerns made up until the 1970s.
And as Deadwood (RIP) proved, a good realistic story has staying power, no need to hide the warts of what the society was really like.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 24, 2011 12:12 PM

Two words: Sam Elliott.

Posted by: Figgy "Bagels" Figarelli at January 24, 2011 12:22 PM

All that post did was make me long for Billy Bob Thorton's fabled 3-and-a-half-hour cut of "All the Pretty Horses." With Danny Lanois' score. Damn you Weinsteins!

Posted by: Rob at January 24, 2011 12:23 PM

Mrs. Julien:

Stick with Deadwood. It can be overwhelming, but it is so worth it.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 24, 2011 12:25 PM

Figarelli is wise in the ways of westerns.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 24, 2011 12:32 PM

I loved deadwood, but it would never have occurred to me to apply the adjective "realistic" to it.

the show always struck me as existing in a highly stylized surreal and baroque haze. It's what made my jaw hit the floor with its greatness.

like someone combined David Lynch, Shakespeare and Quentin Tarantino into a single being and set that being to creating Deadwood.

Again, beofre i get jumped, i think Deadwood was unique in television and one of the greatest shows ever produced, but realistic? seriously?

such a quaint notion, reality.

Posted by: idleprimate at January 24, 2011 12:36 PM

I feel that Open Range deserves a mention too.

I admit that I initially had a low expectation of the movie (Kevin Costner?! Blegh!) but damn it won me over.

By the end I realised I'd become completey engrossed and was itching to see Costner and Duvall kick Michael Gambons teeth in!

It's not as good as Unforgiven certainly, but it still holds a place on my Western DVD shelf!

Posted by: Murderbot at January 24, 2011 12:36 PM

I want to hear realistic accents.
I don't want pretty people (you ever see the real Billy the Kid? Dude was ugly).
I don't want stand offs at high noon...why? Because most of the gunslingers were shot in the back of the head or stabbed.
You neglected to mention 3:10 to Yuma in your list of new good ones. If not for Bale and Crowe, for Ben Foster. He, like Barry Pepper in the new True Grit, looked like what I imagined a guy from the wild west to look like.

As for the new True Grit? I really don't see what anyone found good about it...honestly...other than it was pretty. What about Open Range? Can we count that one if we leave out Kevin Costner and Annette Bening.

I would like to see a film that split good/bad. Say, for example, if the new True Grit had followed Rooster's crew as well as Ned's.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at January 24, 2011 12:38 PM

Well, if you want to see the Western alive and well, just tune into FX whenever "Justified" returns for Season 2. It's a modern tale but the settings, the characters and the stories are Western at heart.

And if you want to see how a Western can be used to tell a great story, go back and watch "Deadwood." That show, cussing aside, was great because it showed you how society is carved out of the wilderness -- that it's not these scions of society who do it, but the greedy, the desperate, the corrupt and the opportunistic who build society and then watch as greater vultures swoop in.

That's what I want. Use the Western to tell great stories about great characters. For example, what's the last Western to speak of the Native Americans' tales (that wasn't co-opted by a white dude to work through his anguish?)

Posted by: Fredo at January 24, 2011 12:38 PM

idleprimate:

Let me clarify since I can see that my use of realistic was liked with the word "story". Deadwood was realistic in terms of the muck and dirt and drab clothing and lack of grooming that was typical of a frontier gold rush town. In the past Westerns have made the streets dry and sometimes paved. They have had the women all wearing pretty clean clothing and the men look like they bathe every day (unless they're villains). The hookers were all happy and pleasant girls. Deadwood dispensed with all that. It showed the limitations of a wood frame town with no plumbing or sewage and the hookers were mostly desperate, on opium or in the case of the Chinese girls literally enslaved.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 24, 2011 12:43 PM

I'd like to write a long essay, but goddammit, the goddamn thesis needs to be finished, goddamn.

What I like about my favorite Westerns: gruff, yet gentle hero (Clint, Ben Johnson or the Duke), spunky/awesome heroine (Firefly) or no women at all (Dollars trilogy), landscape shots (Ford not Malick), awesome music (Tiomkin), humor is ok, but let it be sweet/goofy (Rio Bravo) or good (Blazing Saddles), subtext must be either excellent or non-existent.

What I'd like in a new Western: realistic roles for women (no more whores! no more weak angels, either), contemporary settings (like No Country for Old Men or The Last Picture Show), bromance done well (Magnificent Seven or Dollars trilogy NOT Sherlock fucking Holmes), better aesthetics, better music, more realistic ethnic composition of the cast.

I'm thinking ... story about Chinese workers laying out the train tracks. Cavalry stories (all those died out after John Wayne hit middle age, seems like it). Canadian Westerns? Native Americans before the cows came (should be ok if they're only killing each other, right?).

On the other hand, "the Old West is dying, here comes the railroad/statehood/electricity/whatever" has been DONE and by far better directors than today. No need to do that anymore. Although there should be a couple good movies left in the whole statehood thing, I think.

Now back to the goddamn thesis, cocksuckers.

Posted by: capitainejanvier at January 24, 2011 12:43 PM

Make Red Dead Redemption into a movie and you got yourself a real Western.

Posted by: Dingle Berry at January 24, 2011 1:02 PM

Murderbot, i understand your disdain for Kevin Costner, but you should check out Silverado if you haven't already. It's definitely my favourite western and one of my favourite movies all-round. An amazing ensemble cast: Scott Glenn, Kevin Kline, Brian Dennehy, Jeff Goldblum, Linda Hunt, Danny Glover, John Cleese and, yes, a very young Kevin Costner. But this was waaaay before his Dances With Wolves/The Bodyguard/The Postman/Waterworld phase

Posted by: causaubon at January 24, 2011 1:12 PM

If you're looking for a great Western story told from a completely different perspective, how about John Hillcoat's The Proposition? Rural Australia in the late nineteenth century, Guy Pearce, Ray Winstone & Danny Huston. Fantastic movie!

Posted by: scosa101 at January 24, 2011 1:43 PM

I thought The Proposition was far more interesting than the True Grit remake.

Posted by: max at January 24, 2011 1:45 PM

I would like a American Indian (preferably Sioux) produced and acted biopic about Crazy Horse. I suppose not really in the genre, but i guess i'd like to see more about the era of colonization/ genocide from the point of view of those who suffered most.

Also, a movie surrounding the Ghost dance would be Amazing. Also, American Indian produced, written/ acted, etc.

Posted by: Johnny Von Awesome at January 24, 2011 2:41 PM

Deadwood was....sublime. Best thing that has ever been on television and a damn shame we'll never get the promised movie. Period accurate look, dialogue so sharp I don't know how they didn't cut their tongues, and the performances? Bitch, please.

I'm glad Deist mentioned Bale/Crowe in 3:10 to Yuma. Crowe was in the "bad guy is bad cause he's bad, but bad guy's #1 henchman is bad cause he's FUCKIN NUTS" category. Again, they looked gritty and real.

I LOVE Westerns. I love the more realistic look of period costumes, dirty streets, dirty whores, worn-out cowboys, crappy houses, etc, but I LOVE the more stylistic dialogue a la Deadwood or True Grit.

So, I guess what I really want is more Deadwood. Personally. I mean, right in my living room....Ian McShane and Timothy Olyphant, duking it out....I'll be Trixie or Alma.

Posted by: dammitjanet at January 24, 2011 2:55 PM

I want huge fucking mustaches in my modern Westerns. (Tombstone had the right idea. Also, there's a Facebook group for The Sam Elliott's Mustache Appreciation Society. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2224156764)

If you're watching Westerns, give Howard Hawks' Rio Bravo a try. I have a sweet spot for it. John Wayne, Ricky Nelson, Angie Dickinson, Walter Brennan, and Dean Martin. Sweet little film.

Posted by: duckandcover at January 24, 2011 3:49 PM

Get a time machine. Go back to 1993 and kidnap Val Kilmer and Sam Elliot. Snag Gary Oldman while you're at it. If you can't get him, present day will do just fine. Come back and cast Timothy Olyphant and Ben Foster along with Sam and Val as the lead protagonists (anti-heroes would be my preference.) Place Alan Rickman alongside Oldman as the film's villains. Title it The Super Incredible Gangbangin', Mustache-Ridin' Wet Dream I've Just Willed Myself Into Having Tonight...now if you'll excuse me...matters to attend to...

Posted by: E the B at January 24, 2011 5:04 PM

TIMOTHY.
OLYPHANT.

...


NUDE SCENE.

Posted by: Nadine at January 24, 2011 6:57 PM

I think a re-make of 'Jeremiah johnson' could be epic. I was fascinated by this movie as a kid. It was like 'My Side of the Mountain' except Robert Redford would badass some indians every five minutes.

Other than that, I've got nothin'. BRING BACK DEADWOOD!

Posted by: Nostromo at January 24, 2011 7:38 PM

to cull suggestions of what you as a moderately rational filmgoing base

Well, that's expecting a bit much, isn't it?

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at January 24, 2011 9:38 PM

Dingle Berry

I love you.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at January 25, 2011 2:35 AM

The Quick and the Dead is on your list of 'good modern westerns'? Why? Movie is terrible. Dude gets shot, and you find out by seeing the sunlight shining through his body in his shadow.... Then gets shot again and does a full flip before landing face first dead on the ground.

So much about that movie was terrible. And having sharon stone as your female lead in a western might have been the worst part.

Fucking hate that movie.....

Also, its on tv all the time. Why cant they put on something good like Unforgiven instead?

Posted by: DS_McWerp at January 25, 2011 4:21 AM

I have a soft spot for Quigley Down Under and Rckman as the baddy was brill!

Posted by: Swe.Ge at January 25, 2011 8:55 AM

i say combine the casts of all; deadwood, tombstone, notables in eastwood's spaghettis, tlee jones, bridges... i could watch all them forever....

they are - my huckleberries.

Posted by: kikz at January 25, 2011 10:12 AM

What, no love for Appaloosa. Ed Harris, Viggo Mortensen and one of the most realistic gunfights ever filmed.

"that was fast"
"thats cause everyone knew what they were doing"

Posted by: Chris K at January 25, 2011 11:40 AM

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at January 26, 2011 11:21 PM