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Either Universal is Racist or Stars DO Matter


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Miscellaneous | November 16, 2009 | Comments (30)


Stacey already pointed to the story in today’s Pajiba Love, so I’m sure you all are aware of the UK Couples Retreat poster controversy. Black actors (Faizon Love and Kali Hawk) appear on the U.S. one-sheet, but not on the design initially used for international marketing. And obviously that’s an act of racism, right?

Unless it’s understood that stars sell a movie, in which case Universal is apparently justified for wanting to “simplify” its posters outside America by highlighting the six biggest, or in their words, “most recognizable,” names (Vince Vaughn, Malin Ackerman, Kristen Bell, Jon Fareau, Jason Bateman and Kristin Davis).

Unfortunately, in the same week this outrage occurred, Reuters chose to revisit the whole “stars don’t matter” issue based on recent disappointments from A-list vehicles and successes of star-less movies. This argument kind of disputes Universal’s defense.

Even if you bring up the fact that in many foreign markets stars do actually still count for something, the omission of Love and Hawk is nonetheless objectionable. However, I’d just like to point out that Jean Reno got the shaft on both posters, at least visually (he at least gets a credit on both version). In the logic of the other outcries, I’m calling Universal out for believing the whole world hates the French more than some territories hate black people.

And now for the roundup of film blog commentary on the issue:

  • Tambay at Shadow and Act [posted over two months ago]:
    “I can’t think of any reason to remove them from the international poster, can you? Other than a fear that they might actually deter international audiences from seeing the film; or, the characters are so inconsequential to the story that their presence on the poster isn’t necessary. Then why put them on the American poster if that were the case? As I started this post asking, does this only go to further encourage that infamous industry belief that movies with black people in them don’t sell overseas?”
  • Adam K. Raymond at Vulture:
    “British media-watchdogs and moviegoers complained and now the studio has decided to discontinue the poster. Not that there isn’t an upside to this piece of horrible PR. On a weekend when Couples Retreat made $4 million, we’re writing about it!”

  • Jeffrey Wells at Hollywood Elsewhere:
    “From an art direction standpoint, the British poster is obviously less crowded and more pleasing to the eye.”
  • Matt Holmes at Obsessed with Film:
    “Hands up anyone in the U.K. who know who Faizon Love and/or Kali Hawk are without having to check IMDB (or I bet in some cases, even after checking IMDB)?

    I thought not. […]

    The U.K. one is definitely the better poster but I don’t believe Universal are playing racists by the marketing. And the decision to scrap the U.K. poster from future international territories, I believe, is more to stop the agro than an admission of guilt, because really, they have nothing to be guilty about…”

  • Eric D. Snider at Cinematical:
    “Why did Universal think they had to remove a couple? The poster with all eight characters did fine in America. Why change it? Do international audiences reject movies that appear to have too many characters? Is ‘clutter’ a big complaint among British poster aficionados? If nothing else, someone at Universal should have realized that removing the black couple — even if race had nothing to do with it — would at least look sketchy. You’d think that as bad as the movie is, they’d be extra careful not to turn off any potential viewers with their marketing.”
  • The Playlist:
    “Uhh, but it was ok that Love and Hawk were just a marginalized, almost non-existent, throw-away blip on the original version, right? Where was the outrage about that?

    The answer: there was none, because as long as people are ‘represented’ somewhere it’s ok, right? More likely people didn’t notice whether they were on or off the original poster.

    The fact is people need content, but making a fuss about this now seems even more insulting, frankly.”

  • Gabe Delahaye at Videogum:
    “Although, Universal’s defense is pretty thin. They wanted to ‘simplify’ things for an international audience? Whoops, international audience, that is your simplification! Oh, wait, you mean the international audience who doesn’t understand what huge stars Faizon Love and Kali Hawk are? I mean, in America, you put Faizon Love and Kali Hawk on a movie poster and you might as well just print money, but in the International market, you have to appeal to a different audience. Sarcasm! No offense to Faizon Love and Kali Hawk, but I’m sure they know that they are not huge movie stars. We’re all adults here.”
  • S.T. VanAirsdale at Movieline:
    “While a Universal rep explained that its intention was ‘to simplify the poster to actors who are most recognisable in international markets,’ acknowledged the indelicacy of its honky-rific European campaign under the circumstances. But did it have to apologize? After all, Hawk had a pretty rational explanation of the film’s poster politics when she spoke last month to Movieline:
    [Y]ou know how you see on the poster, how I’m on it and my name is big? For most people, that billing was in their contract. My character started out so small and I had such a small agent at the time that I didn’t really have any negotiating power. After I got the movie and they saw what I could do, Vince [Vaughn] would actually write more scenes for me to do while we were shooting it, so getting on the poster and getting that star billing, that came later and that came from Vince, one of the producers on it.”
  • Janet Shan at The Hinterland Gazette:
    “Somehow I don’t buy the studio’s lame excuse. How come it was the black couple who was inadvertently left out of the marketing material? I’m sure Malin Akerman isn’t known the world over.”
  • Vince Mancini at FilmDrunk:
    “Still, no word on why they felt the need to add in all those clouds and palm trees in the background.  Oh I’m sorry, was the mountain too uppity for you?  They’re also lucky they didn’t go with the original tagline, ‘It may be paradise, but it’s no vacation because black people are here.’”
  • Adrian Chen at Defamer:
    “Who Gives a Shit, the Movie is Terrible!
    Love and Hawk should say a silent prayer of thanks for being left out of the poster, racist-ly or not. Maybe this way everyone will eventually forget they were in ‘Couples Retreat,’ and their nascent careers won’t be killed by starring in a film Time magazine calls ‘just sad.’”
  • Kyle Buchanan at Movieline:
    “The truth is that in the world of Couples Retreat, something much, much worse than the poster controversy happened this weekend, and nobody seems to be saying a thing about it.

    Quietly, as Saturday figures were released, the critically reviled comedy passed the $100 million mark — an impressive hold that indicates that the movie will have no trouble tallying a domestic gross that’s well over three times its opening weekend. The makers of Guitar Hero are so psyched right now!”



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Comments

They should have decided the characters were too inconsequential to be on the U.S. poster and left them off in the first place. But once they were Love and Hawk were there, Universal should have left well enough alone.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at November 16, 2009 8:35 PM

Yo B, I’m shocked that nobody at the pajiba corporate office has written about this outrage yet, but the night is still young. I guess in their eyes it is not a big deal, so what if two black faces were removed from a poster, they weren’t big stars anyway. No offense Campbell but I was so sure one of those better known journalist at pajiba would have tackled this story already. Nonetheless your treatment of the subject has been admirable.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 16, 2009 8:58 PM

Oh, Jesus Christ. Shut the fuck up, Guess Who.

Since SOMEBODY decided to ask my opinion on the matter in another thread, and since it doesn't seem like it is going away now, these two quote cover my view fine:

Uhh, but it was ok that Love and Hawk were just a marginalized, almost non-existent, throw-away blip on the original version, right? Where was the outrage about that?

The answer: there was none, because as long as people are ‘represented’ somewhere it’s ok, right? More likely people didn’t notice whether they were on or off the original poster.

Seriously, I can barely seen them on the poster, so acting like editing them out was MORE offensive than the Photoshop Playtime they pulled to get the original shot is bullshit.

But really, when it comes down to it:

Who Gives a Shit, the Movie is Terrible! Love and Hawk should say a silent prayer of thanks for being left out of the poster, racist-ly or not.

Good night.

Posted by: Undead Abomination #768921 (formerly Vermillion) at November 16, 2009 9:15 PM

So then by saying "Who gives a shit" I take it to mean that it doesn't bother you that the only two people to get cut out of the movie poster are black and that is ok with you? Brother we need your leadership, we need you to stand with us on this one. I want you to write a article condemning this whole sordid episode. No justice, no peace!

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 16, 2009 9:59 PM

In the logic of the other outcries, I’m calling Universal out for believing the whole world hates the French more than some territories hate black people.

Ha! This sentence reminds me of how many times my husband and I heard slurs against the French when we were on our honeymoon in England five years ago. I swear, we heard "Kermit" or "Frog" at least once a day. My paternal grandmother's family is French-Canadian, so I would have been offended if my maternal British bloodline wasn't busy laughing its ass off.

Now, that's not to say the all Brits hate the French. Don't anyone go getting their panties in a wad....

Posted by: stardust at November 16, 2009 10:04 PM

So then by saying "Who gives a shit" I take it to mean that it doesn't bother you that the only two people to get cut out of the movie poster are black and that is ok with you?

No, by saying "who gives a shit?", I am saying that nobody is going to care about Couples Retreat a month from now. In fact, this drama seems really contrived to get more attention on what is otherwise a forgettable movie.

Nice job buying into the hype.

Posted by: Undead Abomination #768921 (formerly Vermillion) at November 16, 2009 10:16 PM

Nice job buying into the hype.

Posted by: Undead Abomination #768921 (formerly Vermillion) at November 16, 2009 10:16 PM

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*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

Vermillion, ladies and gentlemen, the most conformist, conformist ever to walk the earth. The man would would tell the Klan: "sorry bubba let me light that up for ya"

Whatever dude.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 10:23 PM

*who would

*fuck you

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 10:24 PM

It's Kristin Davis, not Kristen Stewart.

Posted by: elleflam at November 16, 2009 10:55 PM

Whoa, thanks for catching that, elleflam. Too much writing about "New Moon" this week has obviously screwed up my thinking.

It's been corrected.

Posted by: Christopher Campbell at November 16, 2009 11:01 PM

Facts:


Jean Reno is a white man.

Nothing in media happens by accident

The black folk were removed because they were black and that's just they way the world works. And the is NOTHING you can say to convince me otherwise.

I live with my color, which is dark, even though I'm as proud of of my Italian half and my Puertorrican adoptive parents, BUT the fact of the matter is I'm just a negro, at school, at work and when a cop stops me driving down the street. I *KNOW* what happened here.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 11:12 PM

Vermillion,

There was this kid I grew up with, he was younger than me. He sorta looked up to me, you know. We did our first work together, worked our way out of the streets, things were good and we made the most of it. As much as anyone, I loved him and trusted him. Later on he had an idea for us to make some real money, that kid’s name was Moe Jackson, this was a great man, a man of vision and guts. And there isn't even a plaque, or a signpost or a statue of him anywhere in town. Some kids beat him up, no one knows who gave the order. When I heard it, I wasn't angry; I knew Moe, I knew he was head-strong, talking loud, saying stupid things. So when he turned up with his ass kicked, I let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen; I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business! Vermillion! I ask that you stand with us.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 16, 2009 11:13 PM

*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

Vermillion, ladies and gentlemen, the most conformist, conformist ever to walk the earth. The man would would tell the Klan: "sorry bubba let me light that up for ya"

Whatever dude.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 10:23 PM


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Consider that officially retracted, I'm feeling serious about this one.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 11:23 PM

Slim, Vermillion reminds me of Condoleezza Rice. Rice is quoted as seeing she didn’t see any racism growing up as a child in Birmingham Alabama even though she was a playmate of one of those four little girls that got killed in the Alabama church bombing that happened in 1963.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 16, 2009 11:30 PM

As a non-American (I only point that out because the situation may be different in the states), I definitely know who Vince Vaughn, Jon Favreau, Jason Bateman, Malin Akerman and Kristen Bell are. All have been in moderately-to-very successful projects here.

I have no earthly idea who the fuck Faizon Love and Kali Hawk are supposed to be (based on their names, I'm going to guess some variety of deodorant).

Based on that, it's just as plausible that they've gone with the most famous names as it is that they've gone with the white faces, trying to push the movie based on its "star power".

Note that I'm not saying this was definitely the case, but it's certainly possible.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at November 16, 2009 11:48 PM

Looking at the posters again, it could just be stupidity on behalf of their marketing people. I mean, even if no racism was intended, it's ridiculous that somebody made that decision and didn't think that it would look bad.

Or it could just be simple racism.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at November 16, 2009 11:49 PM

Oh! There you are, I had given up waiting for your comment Danny.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 17, 2009 12:21 AM

From Pajiba's Review:
"The only real question that Couples Retreat raises is why these attractive women, all of whom look spectacular in bikinis, would decide to be with four schlubby, pale, beer-bellied men."
From laredo's post:
"Faizon Love is pale? I'll be right back; I need to get out and get some sun."

Posted by: laredo at November 17, 2009 1:20 AM

As a UK resident I can officially say this, Neither me, nor many of my honkey friends have heard of the black actors in the film. The name Faizon Love, now that it's being thrown around, rings a bell but I couldnt name a single other project he's worked on.
As I said on yesterday's paijba love, I really do believe Universal has gone for the Name actors to sell the film and IT JUST HAPPENS, that the lesser known actors are the black actors.

I think it really is misjudged advertising, either all poster's should have included the lesser known actors, or none should,

Posted by: Nadine at November 17, 2009 4:56 AM

Where there is news, there is ==Sugar*loves+C0m's backs drifting away!!!

Posted by: H1N1 at November 17, 2009 5:04 AM

Can I just say, I think I'm the person who started this whole story? It began with an article in the UK's Daily Mail, who had somehow got hold of a complaint letter I wrote to Universal about two months ago, and which I'd posted as a note on Facebook.

For the record, I don't think that many British people know who Malin Akerman is. I think the poster is racist. Why the hell not just leave the black actors on, and why leave Jean Reno's name on the poster when he isn't in shot?

Posted by: Caspar at November 17, 2009 6:18 AM

See, this is why I can't stand when crap like this shows up here. Not because there is no racism, but because if I choose NOT to go down the path of the Al Sharpton School of Losing My Fucking Mind Over Every Stupid Thing White People Do (And They Do A Lot Of Stupid Things), I am suddenly not down for the cause. And I have to put up with the idiocy that is Guess Who.

FUCK. YOU. I don't have to prove shit to you or nobody else.

Fact is, the first poster was racist enough. You can barely see the couple on that thing. So if any pointless complaining was going to happen, it should have been then, with the US poster. Especially since their defense was that the two were more "known" here. If that is so, why aren't they more prominent? And why haven't the reactionaries come out THEN and say something, this being the country that cares so much about Faizon Love and Kali Hawk?

Esepcially considering that quote from the actress herself saying how she understood the credits and the poster were made up due to billing. If she isn't complaining, and if Faizon Love isn't complaining, who the fuck am I to do so for them? They are grown, they can fight their own battles.

But that is beside the point. As I said, nobody is gonna give a shit about this movie in a month. It made its ridiculous brick, and now it is going to fade away. The only reason there is any "controversy" is because they want people to have this film in their minds when it comes out on DVD.

Posted by: Undead Abomination #768921 (formerly Vermillion) at November 17, 2009 8:43 AM

P.S. How dare you compare me not caring about a fucking MOVIE POSTER to Rice and the Selma church bombings! What the fuck?

Posted by: Undead Abomination #768921 (formerly Vermillion) at November 17, 2009 8:45 AM

High-five Nadine!

Posted by: Squeeziee at November 17, 2009 10:20 AM

V, I simply asked you to show some leadership at this important junction, many people are watching you. You are in a position to speak for those that do not have a voice, but all you have done is given an out to those that have perpetrated this racist act on a entire group of people. Not surprisingly you have a strong loud voice when it comes to denouncing Mr. Perry, but when an act of blatant racism has been exposed you meekly grow silent, perhaps your shoulders aren't built for this type of work. I am so disappointed in you Vermillion.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 17, 2009 10:43 AM

I tend to lean toward racism here, whether it's the highly overt kind or not. It would be foolhearty not to recognize that the biggoted machine that runs things (especially in the entertainment industry) didn't have an Andre the Giant sized hand in this. These are made by teams of marketing execs, right? I mean, how many pairs of eyes did this poster have to pass before it was given the go ahead? And no one noticed that Love and Hawk's presence weren't on the Euro one and that their pigmentation would have/could have been the cause, or at least percieved as such? At the least, it's a lazily orchestrated effort and a questionable oversight. At the most, well....

Posted by: John Denver's Wingman at November 17, 2009 11:40 AM

Wingman, if John were here today he would applaud your unflinching stance in calling out racism Your voice has rekindled my trust in my fellow man, for your heroic actions I shall grant you a life time pass from my derision.

Posted by: Guess Who! at November 17, 2009 12:22 PM

IMJO, I'd say it was accidental racism. "Accidental" as in "put these two black actors on the back of the American poster, because if they're not there at all, someone's going to scream racism. Other than that, no one gives a shit. And just cut them out of the International poster, because no one gives a shit."

The interesting thing that no one's pointed out here is that by the same token, the movie itself is racist. Chances are the only reason those characters exist is because some higher-up thought a black couple was needed to stem off the racism-watchers. Heaven forbid we see a real slice-of-America, with a mixed couple, or--gasp!--a minority couple as the protagonists who manage to be authentic without pandering to mainstream stereotypes.

Posted by: Minty at November 17, 2009 12:57 PM

The black people on the US poster are more than likely there to garner some black audience. Their absence on the international/uk poster probably stems from the current xenophobia and racism going on abroad. Keep beatin' on those Muslims for all your problems Britain.

Either way black/ethnic people are getting shat on.

Posted by: Troll at November 17, 2009 2:55 PM

You guy's are way to misguided and have far to much time on your hands. This is the most ridiculous debate ever. Its not as if any black actors were photo shopped white or any gingers dyed blonde for any subversive reason!
The UK poster does look sharper and tidier than the US poster and two lesser known actor's marginalized along with the French and thats a bout it.
Who would want to bet against the reason for it being down to marketing?
So is marketing racist?
Well its all down to how Anal you are.

Posted by: Bob at November 17, 2009 4:27 PM





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