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"Lost: He's Our You" (S5/E10) Recap / Daniel Carlson

Lost Recaps | March 30, 2009 | Comments (70)


“He’s Our You,” written by Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz and directed by Greg Yaitanes, is a good episode that’s more interesting for the questions it raises than the ones it answers. At this point, a lot of the story is meant to clue the viewer in on things that they’ve already seen and how those come to be, and the episodes are also doing a lot of interesting things with time travel. The fun part of having someone go back in time is that they meet younger versions of people they will reconnect with later in time even though they’ve already met them; in other words, it’s important to remember the difference between the flow of time as we know it and every person’s individual life timeline, and that events that happen later in a person’s life can happen earlier in the actual global timeline if they, say, get raptured back in time 30 years by a giant frozen wheel mounted in a wall in a cave under a scientific research station on a tropical island connected to worldwide pockets of electromagnetism that manifest themselves (the islands, that is) as mystical places of healing and other wacky hijinks. The episode’s most interesting moments weren’t the ones played superficially for bigger “twists” — because yes, I jumped a little when Sayid shot the young Ben, but because Ben lives to be well into his 50s I think it’s safe to say the creepy little bugger doesn’t die — but rather the ones that explored the psychology of the characters, their changing motivations, and the way one man’s future can change another’s past.

The episode opens in Tikrit, Iraq, following the character-centric model of progressive flashbacks that haven’t been used much recently. A brawny older man drags his son out of a house and leads him to a chicken coop, telling the boy it’s time to become a man and kill some bird. The boy, who makes the same frowny and possibly pants-wetting face the whole scene, says he doesn’t want to, but the dad hands him a cleaver and walks away. A younger boy approaches from behind and places his hand on the shoulder of the apprehensive older boy in one of those weird moments of child acting that probably reads a lot better on the page. The younger boy produces some seed, lures a chicken into his grasp, and snaps its neck in a way that would inspire others parents to maybe take their kid to a counselor. The young boy hands the dead chicken to the older one just as the father returns, praising the elder child for finally having the stones to kill. “It wasn’t me,” the boy protests, and the father’s attention shifts to his other son. “Well, at least one of you will be a man,” he says. This guy is like freaking Joe McCoy. He looks at the young boy and says, “Well done, Sayid.” The little boy’s face never betrays any emotion.

Cut to 1977, where Sayid is still in his cell in the Barracks’ security station. Phil, who apparently needed something to do to make himself even creepier, is polishing a gun while keeping an eye on the monitor bank in the main room when Baby Ben walks in with one of those weirdly shaped six-sided cafeteria trays you see in schools, and this one’s complete with a lunch. (I admit that referring to him as Baby Ben is probably too cute by half, for which I can be nothing but sorry, but this is the first time in the show’s run that a character is so clearly existing in two time frames, at two drastically different ages, and interacting at the same “time” [presentation-wise] with the main characters. So the nickname is going to help keep things a lot straighter.) Baby Ben tells Phil he’s got another sandwich for the prisoner — “chicken salad this time” — but Phil says the guy isn’t eating anything they bring him, and that they shouldn’t waste effort on a Hostile anyway. “That doesn’t mean he’s not hungry,” Baby Ben says, heading into the cell area. He delivers to Sayid a sandwich and a paperback copy of Carlos Castaneda’s A Separate Reality, then decides to try playing in the big leagues a little. “Did Richard send you?” Baby Ben asks Sayid, hoping that the one representative of the Hostiles/Others that he knows has also been the one behind Sayid’s appearance. Sayid nods toward the security camera, but the boy tells him it’s just video, no audio. Baby Ben goes on to tell Sayid that he met Richard four years ago in the jungle and expressed his desire to leave the DHARMA camp, and was told to be patient. “And if you’re patient, too,” Baby Ben says, “I think I can help you.” Man, this kid has been eerie his whole life.

Second flashback: In Moscow, a man frantically bursts into his apartment and begins rifling through a closet to reach a safe, pausing only to bolt the door. By the time he gets the safe open, the door to the room slams open as Sayid walks in, luscious man-locks flowing behind him. Sayid looks like he could be the After model for Garnier Fructis. The other guy starts yelling frantically in Russian, waving stacks of money at Sayid as he begs for his life. Sayid cuts the man off with two quick shots to the chest, dropping him instantly. Sayid walks away and strolls down the nighttime street like he’s Anton Chigurh, eventually coming to an empty lot where he meets Ben, who is wearing a hat that can only be described as dashing. “Where to now?” Sayid asks, but Ben replies, “Nowhere. You’re done.” Sayid is a little stunned at the news, but Ben says that Andropov, the man Sayid just murdered, was “the last one” who needed to be taken care of and who posed a threat to Sayid’s friends. Ben starts to walk away, but Sayid huffily demands some kind of explanation after all the killing he’s done. Ben shifts the blame for the murders right back onto Sayid, saying that Sayid was the one who asked for the list of names in the first place, but that there is now “no one else in Widmore’s organization that we need to go after.” I believe this is the first overt mention that the people Sayid has been killing for/with Ben have been associates of Charles Widmore. Sayid wonders in a kind of daze, “What do I do now?” Ben tells him to go live his life and that he’s “free,” and with that, he walks away. The flashback is an interesting one because it’s in the future and in Sayid’s past, and that enjoyable sense of dichotomy runs through all of the episode’s off-island moments.

Back/up in 1977, Sayid is definitely not free, and he’s still just sitting in his cell when Horace and Radzinsky walk in. As Radzinsky opens the cell door, Sayid sees that Horace is fidgeting with a pair of shears. It would be too obvious for Horace to hurt Sayid right away, so he doesn’t, instead using the clippers to cut Sayid’s plastic handcuffs. Sayid thanks Horace for the favor, but he shuts back up when Horace asks what Sayid’s name is and what he was doing in the jungle. Radzinsky, who’s really just raring to go and already annoying, pipes up and tells Horace to ask Sayid about the model, but the boss man cuts him off. Horace turns back to Sayid and says he figures the handcuffs mean that Sayid was in trouble with the Hostiles, or that it’s part of a ruse that will allow Sayid to spy on the DHARMA people and infiltrate their camp. Sayid still doesn’t say a thing, so Horace hunkers down and decides to take things up a notch, telling Sayid he’s got an hour to reconsider talking before events proceed to the “next level.” Having been a professional torturer in the Republican Guard, Sayid is understandably not too shaken by this, but it’s still good to know Horace can get tough.

Over at Sawyer and Juliet’s, Sawyer walks into the kitchen to find bacon burning on the stove and Juliet staring absentmindedly out the front window. “What’s on the TV?” he asks as he approaches her, following her gaze to see Jack and Kate across the courtyard. Juliet asks Sawyer if what they have is over, and she even refers to it as “playing house,” saying she “never actually thought they’d come back.” Sawyer actually looks surprised and worried that Juliet brought the issue up as soon as she did, but he tells her that even though their old friends have returned, nothing has changed. He misses what would have been a good opportunity to reassure her that he loves her — something quick along the lines of choosing her and not just settling for her — but he doesn’t, and I can only assume it’s because he will eventually break her heart and he needs to be imbued with as much viewer goodwill as possible to coast past that, which means he has to stop with the clear declarations of affection. Anyway, she steers the conversation to Sayid, wondering what happens if he tells the DHARMA people who he really is, but Sawyer tells her he’s got everything under control. Just then there’s a knock at the door, and Sawyer opens it to reveal Horace, who says the prisoner isn’t talking and that Horace is “going to have to let Oldham do his thing.” Sawyer panics a little and asks for a chance to talk to the prisoner before Oldham is let loose, and though Horace doesn’t think it’ll go anywhere, he agrees.

Next thing you know, Sawyer is bounding down the steps of the security station and through the double doors, telling Phil to take his lunch as he moves toward the cell area. Phil, standing, asks if Sawyer is heading back there alone, but Sawyer tells Phil to go to lunch already, which he does. In the cell room, Sawyer asks Sayid how he’s doing, and Sayid sticks the landing when he deadpans, “A 12-year-old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think I’m doing?” Sayid asks how Sawyer can live with Baby Ben running around, but Sawyer says he doesn’t have a choice, and that Sayid himself might be singing a different tune after “three years of living in the ’70s.” Sawyer unlocks the door and enters the cell, briefly apologizing to Sayid as he does so, then headbutts him. Sayid is rocked back but soon straightens up and grabs Sawyer’s collar and gets ready to fight back, but Sawyer explains that he needed to hit Sayid to make it look like he beat a confession out of him. Sawyer says the cover story will be that Sayid was a Hostile who wanted to defect and was prepared to offer intel on the Others in exchange for asylum. Sayid isn’t down with the plan, but Sawyer says he can’t just let Sayid go. “These people trust me,” Sawyer says, and it’s fascinating to see how deep he’s gone in three years. He’s still totally on the side of his friends, but he’s also far more calculating than before an unwilling to give up what he admits to Sayid is a “pretty good” life he’s built. Sawyer says Sayid can either go with the plan or be out on his own, but Sayid calls his bluff: “Then I guess I’m on my own.”

Over at the caf, an apron-clad Hurley brings Jack and Kate a couple plates of waffles and ham, complete with dipping sauces. So, okay. Hurley asks if there’s news about Sayid, but Jack says he talked to Sawyer and was told to let the problem alone so Sawyer could handle it. Kate says she’ll make a run at Juliet, but Hurley says if Sawyer wasn’t talking, Juliet probably won’t either. It’s obvious where this is going and how it will play out, but Hurley, that big lummox, doesn’t know how to stop himself. He explains to Kate that Sawyer and Juliet are together, clarifying, “They live together, like, not as roommates.” Then the dude actually twists the knife a little by adding, “You know, together like you guys were? I thought it was kind of obvious. I mean, who couldn’t see that coming?” For a guy whose flashbacks revealed him to be existing on the fringe of the social strata, you’d think he would have developed a certain sensitivity in re: romantic relationships, but I guess not. Jack stops Hurley from swallowing his entire leg, and as Hurley realizes that he broke some news in a pretty unfortunate way, he excuses himself to go make more waffles. Kate asks Jack if he knew about Sawyer and Juliet, and he says he totally heard it from Kacy in 7th but wasn’t sure until he saw Sawyer give Juliet a homecoming mum. Bummer!

Meanwhile, Sayid is still hanging out in his cell when Roger the janitor, Ben’s father, comes in and begins to mop. Roger takes a break and tells Sayid he must’ve been pretty dumb to get captured, but Sayid points out that at least he’s not mopping up after them. Roger, who gives up after one insult, tells Sayid that he might not find it so funny when Oldham gets through with him. Roger turns back to his trusty bucket and mop when Baby Ben appears in the doorway with another sandwich. The kid freezes in terror as Roger asks for an explanation, and he says he’s just there to bring Roger some food. Roger calls shenanigans on Baby Ben’s story, taking the tray from him and grabbing him by the arm. Sayid hops out of his bunk as Roger shoves the boy against the bars, asking him to confess that the sandwich was really for the prisoner. Baby Ben owns up to it as Roger roughs him up a little more before telling him to go home, shoving him away. Roger turns back to Sayid and stares him down, as if asserting dominance over his son is somehow a total burn on Sayid, and then Roger throws the plate of food against the wall, which is stupid because it’s his job to clean that stuff up in the first place. He slams the door and leaves Sayid alone.

Third flashback: Sayid is working with the Build Our World organization in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. He’s going about his work when he stops as if he senses something, and he turns to see Ben standing nearby. “How did you find me?” Sayid asks. “I looked,” Ben replies, which is probably simpler than admitting he monitors the Oceanic Six and recently had a homicidal run-in with John Locke. Ben instead tells Sayid that Locke is dead and that he suspects it was murder done in “retribution” for the assassinations Ben and Sayid were carrying out. Ben says that the people who killed Locke are currently monitoring Hurley’s mental institution, just waiting for Ben or Sayid to show up. Sayid balks at Ben’s suggestion that Sayid enjoyed his killing days and would want to resume them, but Ben says, “You’re capable of things that most other men aren’t. … It’s in your nature. It’s what you are. You’re a killer, Sayid.” Sayid says Ben has the wrong idea, and Ben offers a hollow apology, saying he was “mistaken,” before walking away.

Back on the island, Horace, Radzinsky, and Sawyer go to retrieve Sayid. Entering his cell with a group, Sawyer gives him one last chance to speak up, but Sayid stays silent. Sawyer shakes his head in sad resignation, then hits Sayid with a tazer shot that knocks him to the ground. “Take him to Oldham,” Sawyer says, and the others pick Sayid up and cuff him. A few minutes later, they take one of the blue vans out to the jungle and proceed to march Sayid down a path toward a clearing in which someone has pitched a big, ratty tent. To make things even creepier, there’s a phonograph on a table outside that’s playing “I Can’t Give You Anything But Love, Baby,” an old song from the 1920s, which I think we’ll all agree is easily the eeriest music you could hope to hear while being escorted through the woods to a torture session. It’s so otherworldly and kind of refined and just unsettling. (It’s why playing BioShock late at night scares the piss out of me.) The group arrives at the tent, and Horace calls out, “Oldham! Hey man, are we ready?” The flap parts to reveal a tiny, unassuming guy in rapist glasses. Oldham stops the record and prepares some of his tools, and Sayid asks Sawyer, “Who is that man?” Sawyer simply replies, “He’s our you.” Oldham returns with a sugar cube on a small tray and a dropper containing an unknown liquid. He puts a few drops on the cube and tries to feed it to Sayid, who refuses. “Better put him in the restraints,” Oldham says, and Sayid is forcefully led to a nearby tree and cuffed, arms out, to the leather straps encircling the twin trunks. Oldham has Phil and Radzinsky open Sayid’s mouth as he shoves the sugar cube in and forces Sayid to eat it, which so far seems way less painful than the bamboo and finger work Sayid has shown to be his own personal torture trademarks. Oldham tells Sayid his struggles against the straps are pointless: “One thing’s for sure friend,” he says. “You will tell us the truth.”

Fourth flashback: Showdown at the Long Beach marina, where Sayid is watching Ben explain to Sun and Jack that he can take them to someone nearby who can tell them how to get back to the island. Sayid bails on the whole situation and heads to a bar where he starts downing glasses of McCutcheon in a way that’s probably ill-advised give the way the market’s behaving. A woman sidles up, revealing herself to be Ilana, who is probably just hours from arresting Sayid, since he’s wearing the shirt he will wear when led in handcuffs through the airport to meet Ajira 316. Ilana keeps chatting with Sayid as she orders a ribeye, bloody (ew), and Sayid asks if she’s a professional. She tells him she’s not a prostitute but was just drawn to him because he looked sad, and she likes sad men. Sayid — who’s just sitting there like he is indeed part fish; the part with the hook in it — plays right along as she scoots one seat closer. They engage in an expositional and honestly slightly boring conversation that really just lets Ilana tell Sayid she assumes he’s said because he’s given up his purpose in life, which is a totally stupid line that would only work in a bar but drives home the emotional journey Sayid is on and hints that he will, come episode’s end, re-embrace what he perceives to be his destiny.

Back on the island, Sayid is tripping balls out in the woods, still lashed to the tree at Oldham’s. The DHARMA torture expert steps up and begins to question Sayid, who answers every question honestly and with no trace of remorse. That truth serum really hit home. Sayid tells them his name, that he’s not a Hostile, and that he took Ajira 316 to get back to the island because he’d already left, having previously been there when Oceanic 815 crashed. “Ask Sawyer,” Sayid says with a small nod in Sawyer’s direction, freezing Sawyer in his little pacing circle. Oldham asks who Sawyer is, but Radzinsky helps out by shouting, “Who cares? Ask him about the Flame!” Horace again tells Radzinsky to can it, but Sayid is already going on with what he knows about the stations on the island, and his admissions freak Horace out. He says he knows the Flame was for communication, the Pearl for observing other stations, and the Swan was to study electromagnetism. As soon as Sayid mentions the still-unbuilt Swan station, Radzinsky really starts to blow his top, and Sayid also predicts their mass death and reveals he is from the future. But of course, even though Horace looks more than willing to at least hear Sayid out — the guy does seem to know what he’s talking about — Oldham shrugs and says, “Maybe I should have used half a dropper.” Sayid starts to laugh like Christian Bateman listening to Huey Lewis as he tells Oldham he used “exactly enough.” You think a guy in Sayid’s line of work would have built up an immunity to iocaine powder truth serums, but I guess not.

Over at the motor pool, Juliet is showing Kate around and having her own awkward little afternoon. Juliet brings up her relationship with Sawyer, and Kate says she knows, and Juliet says it’s a relief she didn’t have to be the one to break the news since she didn’t know how to do it without sounding like she was telling Kate to “stay away.” The boys pull up in the van and escort Sayid back to the security station, and Sawyer looks over to see his ex and his current girlfriend talking, and his face is a completely understandable mask of worry and confusion. Later that evening, Horace leads a small group meeting in his living room to decide Sayid’s fate. Radzinsky, of course, wants to kill him and quarter him and put his head on a pike and send one limb to each corner of the island, but Sawyer maintains they need to consider letting him live instead of resorting to murder like the Hostiles would. “Since we did we start acting like them? We’re civilized,” Sawyer says. Radzinsky sticks to his guns, even when Sawyer addresses him as Stu, which now makes me think that Radzinsky is Disco Stu in disguise. Radzinsky pushes Horace, saying, “Either you make a decision, or I call Ann Arbor and they make it for us.” There you have it: The DHARMA Initiative is based in Michigan! Somebody go find the headquarters. Amy speaks up and says that Radzinsky is right, and that she won’t be able to sleep at night without worrying that Sayid will eat her new baby. Horace sighs and puts the issue to a vote, and everyone in the room except Sawyer raises their hand in favor of “Radzinsky’s solution.” (The nameless extra sitting next to Radzinsky does him some A-level acting, too, making a “You know what, I am on board” face before nodding and raising his hand. It’s like the guy learned to act watching “Saved by the Bell.”) Horace turns to Sawyer and says, “I would really like to say it’s unanimous.” Sawyer grudgingly raises his hand and condemns Sayid.

Fifth flashback: Sayid and Ilana are making out like crazy as they shove through the door of her hotel room. Yada yada yada, he tosses her onto the bed and she gives him some weird series of Sonya Blade kicks, disables him, and draws her gun. She tells Sayid she was hired by the family of Peter Avellino — the guy Sayid shot dead on a golf course in last season’s “The Economist” — to bring Sayid to Guam. So, that’s how that went down.

1977: Sayid is once again in his cell. Sawyer walks in and instructs Sayid to hit him in the face, take his keys, and make his escape. “I appreciate the offer,” Sayid says, “but I’m fine right here.” Sayid says he’s had a change of heart, explaining that ever since he got raptured back to the island, his life has felt devoid of purpose, a purpose Sayid now claims to be able to recapture. Sawyer walks away and heads to Kate’s to ask her if she also has some kind of grand design in coming back to the island, and the scene is every bit as revealing and frustrating as can be. Kate says she doesn’t know why everyone else came back, but she’s definitely got a reason she wants to be on the island. Which, well, yeah, that’s kind of implied. Kate doesn’t get any further because just then, a blue DHARMA van comes rolling through camp, unmanned and on fire. It takes down a couple fences and crashed into one of the buildings, and before long DHARMA folks are running around trying to put out the growing fire, with Sawyer leading the charge. He opens up some water valves and starts ordering people around, having them roll out the hoses and start taming the fire. Jack walks up and asks what happened, and Sawyer gets the best line of the episode: “Three years, no burning buses. But y’all are back for one day…” and he takes off. Sawyer radios Phil for assistance, who’s still down in security, and as Phil grabs his rifle and runs off, a hoodie-clad Baby Ben appears in the doorway and slips into the main room before heading to Sayid’s cell area. Baby Ben opens the door to see Sayid standing in his cell like Hannibal frakking Lecter, and Sayid asks what happened to the boy’s glasses. Baby Ben’s frames are broken, and he’s got a black eye. The boy admits it happened because he brought Sayid the sandwich, and Sayid says that his own father was a hard-driving bastard as well. “I really hate it here,” Baby Ben says. “If I let you out, will you take me with you?” It appears that the young Ben might have been the one who engineered the flaming van just to distract everyone and spring Sayid, which is pretty diabolical for a young teen. Sayid says that he will take Baby Ben with him when he escapes. “That’s why I’m here,” he says.

Final flashback: Ilana is leading Sayid through the airport, where he winds up spotting the rest of the Oceanic Six even though they don’t see him. Each progressive sighting unnerves him a little more, and he asks Ilana if they can catch the next plane to Guam instead. He’s already starting to put together the likelihood that the plane won’t make it there based on its passengers, but Ilana tells him to man up. On the plane, Ilana offers a small apology that Sayid has to stay cuffed, and at that moment Ben comes bounding up the aisle, sharing a moment of shocked recognition when he sees Sayid before Hurley gets up and starts flailing about and yelling that Ben shouldn’t be there. Sayid asks Ilana if she’s working for Ben Linus, but she says she doesn’t know the name. He rattles off a laundry list of Ben’s character flaws and criminal history, and when Ilana asks why she’d want to work for a guy that evil, Sayid just shrugs defeatedly and says, “I did.”

Back on the island, Baby Ben gets the keys and frees Sayid from his cell. They slip out and are soon running through the jungle. Crossing the road, they see a blue van approaching, and Ben falls into the trees like a dope. Sayid doubles back and hides with the kid, signaling him to be quiet. The van stops and Jin hops out, exploring the area with a flashlight, but Sayid climbs out of his hiding spot when he sees the familiar face. Sayid goes with the original cover story, that he was released by Sawyer when his life was in danger, and Sayid tells Jin he needs to keep moving if he wants to stay safe. Jin, reluctant about the whole thing, says he needs to talk to Sawyer first, but Sayid flips Jin over and knocks him out before taking his gun. “Whoa,” Baby Ben says, emerging from the trees with a grin. “Where’d you learn to do that?” The boy says they need to keep going, but Sayid just stays on his knees, wrestling with what he’s about to do and everything he’s done before. “You were right about me. I am a killer,” Sayid says, raising the gun and firing a single shot into the boy’s chest. The young Ben slowly collapses to the ground, pitching forward, lying still. Sayid weeps quietly before shaking it off and getting to his feet, breaking into a run as he heads into the night.

And that’s the episode. Like I said, the fun of this one is wondering how it will play out for Ben when he becomes an adult. It seems likely, and indeed pretty cool, that the grown Ben remembered Sayid when they met again on the island and wound up using him as a killing tool off the island in part because of what he’d learned of the man when he was just a boy. Also, where Avellino and the others that Sayid killed actually associates of Widmore’s, or was Ben just doing some personal housecleaning? And if they were Widmore’s people, in what capacity could they hurt the castaways? Will Sayid now try to survive on his own, or will he seek out or be caught by the Others? Does he find Faraday or Rose or Bernard (who have to still be alive)? How does Baby Ben survive the shooting? He can’t die, because (a) the instant he did, everything else would change and the castaways might not even be there any more, and (b) Faraday and his mom were both pretty adamant that you can’t push the universe too much one way or the other, and that you can only affect the past if it already happened or was meant to happen. So Baby Ben’s survival is a foregone conclusion, right? And finally, just what kind of shady office is sitting in Michigan and running the world?

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Posted by: Ceej at March 30, 2009 2:10 PM

Before I even read this I just want to say that I don't buy the ending at all. I've been waiting to say that since Wednesday.

Posted by: katy at March 30, 2009 2:10 PM

So, it seems to me that Sayid made Ben who he is today - and that somehow, Ben is one person who is able to remember events throughout time. Ben's face when he saw Sayid on the plane gave that away.
I loved the couple of zingers this episode, and it's always good to spend an episode with the breathtaking Naveen Andrews, but overall this seemed like filler.

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 2:16 PM

I enjoyed this episode, but didn't like everyone freaking about about the Ben shooting. I felt like they didn't fully consider time travel rules before this. Everyone was yelling "TIME PARADOX" and not realizing we don't actually see him DIE.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at March 30, 2009 2:21 PM

Oh Sayid is so pretty. I love Sayid episodes.

(I'll have more constructive comments later, when I've had some more coffee)

Posted by: figgy at March 30, 2009 2:22 PM

"he meets Ben, who is wearing a hat that can only be described as dashing."

haha yeah, the hat left me a little confused.

Posted by: Leah at March 30, 2009 2:33 PM

It really looked like Sayid killed Jin too, slashed his throat or something. Glad that others saw it differently. Poor Jin seems like an extra this season. I suppose his big moment will come when he is reunited with Sun, and however that happens.

Posted by: katy at March 30, 2009 2:35 PM

I'm assuming that either a) Jin will wake up and revive Baby Ben, or b) the magical healing powers of the island will restore Baby Ben. Although, it is pretty fun to imagine what is happening to adult Ben over on the other island thirty years in the future as Baby Ben's life slowly slips away. Hmmm.....

Posted by: Elsie at March 30, 2009 2:36 PM

Did anybody else notice that Oldham was played by William Sanderson, who played E.B. Farnum on Deadwood?

Posted by: katfoldsfive at March 30, 2009 2:37 PM

So I'm guessing that Sayid has unwittingly revealed to young Ben the boy's special connection to the island and its powers. How delicious.

I haven't been that non-plussed by the ending of a show since Buffy threw herself off the scaffolding and we sat their gaping at the Grrr. Argghh.

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 2:48 PM

William Sanderson is not the guy from Deadwood. He is Larry from Newhart. Now I feel old.

May I also point out there was no Sawyer "Son of a bitch!" this week. Watchu talkin' 'bout Lost?

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 2:49 PM

How fun was it to see Sayid on the happy sugar? I loved how expansive he suddenly became. It must have been a nice change for Naveen Andrews from brooding.

And now for my last question/comment -

What the fuck did Ben do to Penny and Desmond and when are we going to see them again?

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 2:53 PM

Here are my observations from the last two episodes:

1) I agree that Sun and Ben didn't go back because they are already there (and that Sun is Chang's baby)

2) I think it's now all but given that "Christian" is Smokey - seeing the trees move and then seeing Christian is too much of a coincidence

3) I agree that Ben does remember everyone and that's why he requested them specifically in season 2 (well, that and the fact that those are the main characters, so there was little choice in who he'd pick)

4) I think the "incident" at the Swan was caused by the 816ers trying to get out of the past - maybe even a joint effort with Sun and Ben in the present. I think they succeed with the exception of 2 of them who stay behind (heroically?) and become "Adam and Eve" from season 1

5) In season 2, when we first meet Ben (as Henry Gale), we know that he lied to Locke about entering the numbers (because the hatch didn't blow at that time). I think Ben/the Others knew about the Swan but allowed Radzinsky and Kelvin (and later Desmond) to stay there unmolested because they knew that the numbers had to be entered to keep the Island's power in check.

6) Lastly, I think Ben must have the biggest balls of anyone on the Island - even knowing you'd live through it, can you imagine setting events in motion that you know would result in you getting shot in the heart?!?

Posted by: cmr at March 30, 2009 2:53 PM

So, it seems to me that Sayid made Ben who he is today - and that somehow, Ben is one person who is able to remember events throughout time.

I'm with you Cindy. I have a feeling that we are going to see that the Losties basically made Ben into who he is today. Sayid teaches him to kill and hold a grudge, Sawyer teaches him how to con, Kate teaches him to track and flex, Jack teaches him to blink a lot, and Hurley gives him the secret recipe to that dipping sauce. Or something like that. I haven't slept in awhile.

Posted by: jM at March 30, 2009 2:55 PM

I'm not convinced that Ben isn't dead, at least in one timeline.
The abandoned New Otherton that Sun and Frank found last week doesn't seem to fit with how it should look in 2009. The "Recruiting Station" sign would surely have been removed in the time Ben and the others occupied the barracks after the purge.
We still haven't seen the "very bad things" that supposedly happened when the Six left the Island. Perhaps Baby Ben's death starts a chain reaction of events.

Posted by: monitorman at March 30, 2009 2:57 PM

Why wouldn't Ben be able to remember events through time? Or at least these events? If time is moving forward for him in a linear fashion from childhood to adulthood wouldn't he just be remembering his own past? There is no indication he is bouncing around like the Oceanic 6.

I freely admit that I may have entirely missed the point. It's Monday, I'm tired, I have only a layperson's understanding of time travel.

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 3:04 PM

The DHARMA initiative was "born" at the University of Michigan in 1970. It said so in the orientation video from the Swan Station in Season 2.

Posted by: Brett at March 30, 2009 3:07 PM

It's amazing how flat the flashbacks now feel for me. In the beginning they provided background and motivation, but we've now got enough background and motivation for most of the main characters so they wind up being "fill in the holes" exercises--literally filler, though slightly different from how that term is usually used.

And Roger now has seniority--Jack is gonna clean up Roger's mess;)

Posted by: ed newman at March 30, 2009 3:15 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Incident has something to do with the volcano. It hasn't been mentioned in ages, but "On the DVD commentary track for "The Man Behind the Curtain" Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse describe Annie and Alexandra as the two most significant women in Ben's life. Annie is described as a character that is going to play a "huge part" in upcoming storylines: "Annie is going to prove to be very significant in Ben's life," and that even the island's volcano will be "slightly less important than Annie, but still seismic."(Season 3 DVD)"

Posted by: KarmaDarling at March 30, 2009 3:20 PM

The "Recruiting Station" sign would surely have been removed in the time Ben and the others occupied the barracks after the purge.

And no doubt the pictures of the Dharma "newbies" would have been removed from the walls as well.

Posted by: ed newman at March 30, 2009 3:28 PM

I may not be right about this, but Ben probably wouldn't remember being shot by Sayid because it hadn't happened yet, like when Desmond had the dream and remembered Farriday telling him to go find his Mom.

These time travel rules are pretty confusing.

Posted by: Alli at March 30, 2009 3:34 PM

Lost, in three words:

Chekhov's Gun Cabinet

After a quick search on Google(that word is not a verb), I feel confident that I am the first human to ever utter that phrase.

Posted by: pissant at March 30, 2009 3:48 PM

i think we all know that Ben isn't dead. Either Jack or Juliet will save him, or the Island will. That's not the point. The show has established there on a "closed loop" and you can't change the past.

So, for what narrative purpose did Sayid shoot Ben?

Maybe to put our favorite Iraqi in a position where he attempted to murder a (then) harmless 12 year old boy. And now he has to deal with the emotional repercussions. He seems to be in truth-telling Cassandra mode now.

Posted by: Withnail at March 30, 2009 3:52 PM

perhaps the janitor/doctor will be the one to save tiny ben..might raise some eyebrows??great recap regardless!!

Posted by: pasadenamike at March 30, 2009 4:03 PM

Ali - I may not be right about this, but Ben probably wouldn't remember being shot...

But just because Sayid hadn't shot him yet in Sayid's timeline, doesn't mean
that it hadn't happened yet in Ben's timeline. Um, right?

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 4:06 PM

Withnail, I'm assuming Sayid isn't up to speed on the whole time travel/can't change destiny thing because he wasn't on the island to hear Farraday's exposition on it. I also don't think he's aware of the magical healing powers of the island. I just assumed assumed he did because he thought it would make a difference.

Posted by: Elsie at March 30, 2009 4:17 PM

No, of course he did it to find out it WOULD make a difference.

So imagine what will happen to his emotional state (which is already suffering) when he finds out that NOTHING he does in the past makes a difference?

Posted by: Withnail at March 30, 2009 4:26 PM

Sayid definitely knew of the Island's magic healing powers. He knew it cured Locke's paralysis and Rose's cancer. He also knows what it does to pregnant mothers.

Which makes it unconscionable that he would not plug Baby Ben with two more between the eyes. Sayid continues to be among the dumbest motherfuckers on the show.

Posted by: ed newman at March 30, 2009 4:34 PM

Sayid had to try. Wouldn't you?

Posted by: Henry at March 30, 2009 4:38 PM

Alli>>

Think of time like a ball of string - not a line. Imagine that all the points on the string are simultaneously touching all the other points on the string. This avoids the paradox problem because everything is on a closed loop, and the existence of any given event is completely dependent upon the existence of all other events throughout time. As Faraday says, "What happened, happened." Thus, Ben would remember being shot, as it essentially exists concurrently with his meeting Sayid, his employing Sayid to do his dirty work, and Sayid's going back in time. None of these events can exist without the other; the fact one happens "after" another is incidental.

The analogy someone made on another message board was that this is the 12 Monkeys school of time travel - not the Back To The Future school of time travel. (However, I've always been a little unclear as to what the "insurance" line at the end of 12 Monkeys implies. Thus, maybe we should call it the Slaughterhouse Five school of time travel.)

Perhaps seemingly depriving our characters of free will and setting them in such a deterministic universe does not appeal to some, but I'm digging it. I frequently think free will is an illusion even without the confusion of time travel.

I reserve the right to revoke this theory if one of the Lost characters does manage to create a paradox before season's end. Could this be "The Incident?" But even in that case, we already know that The Incident happens, so it would appear to be predetermined as well. Perhaps it's just a near-miss paradox that causes The Incident.

Similarly, as for Faraday and Desmond, I think that was just a case of effective storytelling in editing. Desmond didn't suddenly remember in that moment because Faraday only just did it. It had happened years ago, and it was something that Desmond's foggy time-addled brain had glazed over. They showed us the scene of Desmond's remembering immediately after Faraday's speaking to him to set up the logic of his seeking out Faraday's mother.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 30, 2009 4:45 PM

I think the "incident" at the Swan was caused by the 816ers trying to get out of the past - maybe even a joint effort with Sun and Ben in the present.

I think the incident might turn out to be a character running into himself - quite possibly Ben. Remember how Chang (or one of his alternate ids) said the two #15 bunnies shouldn't be allowed to see each other?

Why wouldn't Ben be able to remember events through time? Or at least these events? If time is moving forward for him in a linear fashion from childhood to adulthood wouldn't he just be remembering his own past?

But just because Sayid hadn't shot him yet in Sayid's timeline, doesn't mean
that it hadn't happened yet in Ben's timeline. Um, right?

I guess what I mean is that Ben knows what the Losties (and theoretically, what the audience doesn't) don't - that they made him who he is today. Also, we have seen Ben time travel before, and even though he has moved about in time, I think he somehow knows everything no matter what time period he is in. Can't say that I have a good explanation for it!

So, for what narrative purpose did Sayid shoot Ben?

Sayid hasn't been around to hear about the rules of time travel, and I think he was thinking emotionally - that he could change the future by killing Ben. But in reality, he was always in that timeline, always tried to kill Ben, and Ben was always forever changed by the shooting.

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 4:46 PM

Sayid's drugged out scene was quite possibly the best comedic moment in Lost's history.

I dug the flashbacks here because they weren't merely the motivation for the present - they were also part of the story itself.

And, yes, William Sanderson is Larry on Newhart as well as E.B. Farnum, but for me he will always first and foremost be J.F. Sebastian.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 30, 2009 4:54 PM

As a funny anecdote, as soon as this episode was over, my friend turned to me and asked if the Back to the Future theory of time travel applied to this episode. Only seconds later, another friend called and asked me the exact same thing. I wish it was as simple as that, because this whole time travel thing is giving me a headache.

Although I will never(!!!) give up on this show because I am way too invested and still love planning my Wednesday nights around watching it, I absolutely hate this time travel crap. In the first few seasons, what I liked about the show so much was the interconnectedness of all the characters and the fact that it wasn't science fiction, although it could've taken that route. I liked that a lot of the coincidences could be explained by fate, and although the electromagnetism was tenuous at best to explain the weird phenomena of the island, at least there is such a thing as electromagnetism. As opposed to say, time travel. I'm not sure how I expected the show to play out, but I do know that this is not what I consider satisfying. But, as I just said, there's no way I'm jumping ship now.

I also agree that this episode seemed like a filler. I hope this week has a little more action.

Posted by: Austin at March 30, 2009 5:00 PM

Actually, William Sanderson = E.B. Farnum from Deadwood AND Larry from Newhart. What range, no?

Posted by: MB at March 30, 2009 5:02 PM

"And, yes, William Sanderson is Larry on Newhart as well as E.B. Farnum, but for me he will always first and foremost be J.F. Sebastian."

My thoughts exactly!

Posted by: cmr at March 30, 2009 5:45 PM

The whole episode was worth it just to see Sayid laugh. Can anyone remember him ever laughing before? I can't.

Posted by: jkate at March 30, 2009 5:49 PM

"rapist glasses" Nice.

I adore Sayid episodes. I'm just dreading any more episodes of Kate or Jack because it's sure to ruin everything.

In terms of time travel, the loop/fate theory makes a lot more sense than Back to the Future. Too many factors can change otherwise. And then I just get confused.

It kind of reminds me of Harry Potter time travel where a certain time period may be lived through twice, but what happened the first time is what would always happen. I just wonder if they could condense the giant cave wheel into a portable time-turner a la The Prisoner of Azkaban.

Posted by: kelsy at March 30, 2009 5:51 PM

Thanks for the explanation, DarthCorleone. I thought it was very helpful.

I still don't trust Juliet and I certainly don't trust Amy. Obviously we will come to understand (to some degree, I hope) how Sawyer, Jin, et al went from being temporary guests of Dharma to respected members, but I have to think Horace and Amy know more than the BS shipwreck story they were fed. Why did Amy want Juliet to deliver her baby knowing she is a mechanic? She seemed relatively lucid, so I don't think childbirth pains or drugs explain that. Subsequently why would she be so quick to want to execute Sayid?

I am in the minority in wanting Sawyer and Kate to get back together - they seem more fitted to me. As I was explaining to a fellow lostophile, love is sometimes extreme passion, sometimes settling for the comfort it provides. One is not necessarily better than the other, and settling doesn't mean you love that person less, but this life doesn't fit Sawyer to me. Granted, he deserves more than he's ever had, but like Sayid, he's not really the salad and pasta at 7 PM then off to bed type in my mind. But I understand why everyone is annoyed with the love quadrangle.

Perhaps the Others are the slaves that crashed on the Black Rock?

Doesn't Miles' supercool watch they keep flashing make the Dharma people suspicious? The style seems awfully advanced for the mid 70's - and does it still work?

Regarding Austin's comments above, even though time travel doesn't exist per se, many scientists believe it is possible/doable, we just don't know how. Granted it's reaching, and I totally agree with your thoughts on the interconnectedness of the characters.

More and more I am believing in predetermination vs. free will - I think it's fascinating that a fucking TV show could have such an effect on me and others. This show makes me crazy and I love it.

Posted by: iheartlasagne at March 30, 2009 5:57 PM

"I think the incident might turn out to be a character running into himself - quite possibly Ben. Remember how Chang (or one of his alternate ids) said the two #15 bunnies shouldn't be allowed to see each other?"

Very cool idea, Cindy, and it seems likely that we'll see something along those lines before the show is over. But, how would the simultaneous existence of the same character in the same time result in the huge amount of concrete used to plug up the hole in the Swan? I think it's more likely that that Jack's (now Sawyer's?) group will try to harness the power of the Swan somehow in an effort to get back to their present (2007 for those keeping track).

Although, now that I think about it, Chang said, in the Swan training video, something to the effect that the computer in the Swan should never be used to try and communicate with the outside world, that that caused or contributed to the Incident. Am I remembering that right? Can anyone verify?

If so, how would that play into our theories?

Posted by: cmr at March 30, 2009 6:06 PM

Thanks also to DarthCorleone. . . one of the things I love about this show is the opportunity to learn.

Posted by: Alli at March 30, 2009 6:10 PM

this episode did have a filler feel, but since it focused on Sayid i can't complain. i can't believe he shot Baby Ben because that kid is way too adorable. when Roger was abusing him i wanted to cry. the parallel universe theory of time travel would allow Sayid to kill Ben without altering Sayid's personal timeline, but this show isn't going to go there.

iheartlasagne, i get where you're coming from with the Skate love, but i dislike Kate too much to want Sawyer to get back with her. i don't think that she is capable of really loving anyone else, but maybe they are trying to redeem her character--with the whole Aaron storyline--to show that she is growing up and learning what it means to really love someone.

i'm hoping that The Incident will be caused by the Losties going back to their future because i don't want them to stay in the 70s. i'm also hoping that it will involve Faraday because i need to know where he is and what he's doing--and since he's the time travel expert he should be able to figure out how to get them back.

Posted by: pq at March 30, 2009 7:29 PM

Chang said, in the Swan training video, something to the effect that the computer in the Swan should never be used to try and communicate with the outside world, that that caused or contributed to the Incident.

From Lostpedia: Chang warns not to use the Swan computer for anything but entering the numbers.

(But as an aside, didn't Locke communicate with Walt on the Swan computer already?)

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 8:45 PM

Also, cmr, I don't think everyone will try to get back to present day time. I think they will naturally end up present time as time passes - but I also think they'll all end up staying on island. Those who live, anyway.

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 8:46 PM

Cindy, I can't remember if Locke communicated with Walt at all on the Swan's computer, but Michael did. At least, he thought he was talking to Walt, but it was the Other's using him to get Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer.

Posted by: jM at March 30, 2009 9:10 PM

Amy probably asked Juliet to deliver the baby after her expert baby-delivering talk to the attending. But after all of the birthing madness I would hope Amy and Horace had questions for her.

I think baby Ben is probably going to be nursed back to health by Juliet. Baby Ben becoming smitten with his doctor as a child and bringing her back to the Island as an adult? Yes yes yes.

It won't turn out to be true, but it would be incredibly sad if Sayid knew shooting Ben would not kill him but did so anyways to keep the future intact.

Posted by: Stew at March 30, 2009 9:47 PM

You're right - it was Michael - not Locke.

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 9:48 PM

Cindy,
Anyone who stays will have to die before 2004 though, right? Or else there's a real good chance they'd run into themselves as Others after the crash. Plus, if any of the main characters lived on the Island Ben would've been prepared for the crash (knowing the exact day/time) and Juliet would've known exactly when they'd end up after the time jumps.

I bet 2 stay and become the skeletons in the cave but the rest either die, go back to the present (or another time all together) or stay in the past, but off-Island.

Of course this is what I love most about this show: it keeps us all guessing!

Oh, and jM, I'm not convinced that it was the Others talking to Michael on the computer - I think (though I didn't at the time) that it was really Walt.

Posted by: cmr at March 30, 2009 9:55 PM

Was I the only one who, when Oldham stepped out of the tent, was waiting for him to introduce Darryl, and his other brother Darryl?

Posted by: Nora Borealis at March 30, 2009 10:04 PM

Anyone who stays will have to die before 2004 though, right? Or else there's a real good chance they'd run into themselves as Others after the crash.

I had to read that three times before my brain would work right.

My theory is that the 815 flight was a course correction. Events we have seen up through season four were not the way things should have happened. So, if my brain is working right now, my thought would be that events we are seeing now are the way they really happened (Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Sayid, Jin in '77) and therefore when we catch up to the time of 815, that crash will not recur. But I'm not sure if my theory follows the rules correctly?

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 10:16 PM

Oh, and JM - I also don't think it was necessarily the Others communicating with Michael - I think it's very possible it was Walt.

Posted by: Cindy at March 30, 2009 10:17 PM

Alright, here's my theory about how baby Ben survives. The Dharma Initiative people find him while going after Sayid. He's is critical condition and about to die. Luckily they have a top notch surgeon who happens to have "Workman" emblazoned on his coveralls. That's right. Jack will spring into action, save baby Ben, and stir up a hornets nest when Horace discovers he's been lied to. Sawyer's gonna have some explaining to do.

Posted by: Dano at March 30, 2009 10:56 PM

Cindy, your theory does not follow the rules correctly, because as Daniel says, what happened, happened. Therefore, whatever happened in the past to set in motion the chain of events that led to the Losties crashing on the island can't change, because it's WHAT HAPPENED.

Saying "what happened, happened" is the same as saying "what will happen, will happen" (or "que sera, sera," if you prefer) because, if past events can't change, then they will always lead to the same state of affairs in the future.

This makes the idea of a "course correction" nonsensical.

Posted by: jkate at March 31, 2009 4:35 AM

I came here this morning to correct what I had realized was wrong with my theory, jkate. Of course the plane crash has to happen again. It's good to lay out thoughts so one can have a little help from one's friends...

I don't think the course correction idea is nonsensical however. I've just not gotten it all worked out. It seems more than obvious that certain people were always back in Dharma, and something like Sayid shooting Ben as a child is what shaped Ben in the future.

What happens when they catch up to the time of the plane crash - that's certainly where I get stuck. If particular people had to be brought back to the island because they were always supposed to have been there, and never supposed to have left, there has to be a way it works out. Maybe the title of the show refers to being "Lost" in time, and some of the characters are doomed to keep trying to course correct until the proper course of events is reached. And maybe we'll never even see what that course is. I've always had the feeling that Lost will end just like it started - that we'd see the plane crash again, and close on Jack's eye. But I hadn't been able to work out how or why that would be.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2009 8:10 AM

kelsy, I heart your Harry Potter reference!
iheartlasagne, I just cannot see why anyone would want to see Sawyer and Kate together - at least, anymore. I know all about choosing the passionate choice over the right choice... after a few hours of amazing sex, it isn't worth it.
As for the theory that The Incident involves a character running into him/herself, wasn't it Cindy who mentioned *a long time ago* seeing an Easter Egg of a script page, where Jack is found wrestling with himself in the jungle?

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2009 9:13 AM

Eloise told Desmond that course corrections happen, so you are definitely right about that, Cindy.

What I've been trying to work out is that Locke has said from the beginning that they weren't supposed to leave the Island, that they were supposed to be there. And Christian told Locke that Ben should not have been the one to move the Island, that he (Locke) should have done it.

So, assuming that both statements are correct it seems like the 1977 events we are seeing now might be the course correction, no? Because if they had never left then Sayid wouldn't have been on the run through the jungle leading him to shoot Baby Ben. I'm not saying that no one would've done it, but it might not have been Sayid originally (remember Charlie? he had to die, but the method kept changing because he Desmond kept interfering).

Also, if Jack had listened to John and not left, and John had moved the Island instead of Ben, do you suppose they would have still ended up in the 70s at all, or would their "parts" have been played by the other new recruits to Dharma? Because if I understand Eloise (who I believe has more experience with this than Daniel) the events themselves can't be changed, but the circumstances around them can.

All in all though, Cindy, I like your theory that the crash itself was a course correction for something we haven't seen yet. It would explain a lot about why Jack, Kate, and Hurley (among others) are *supposed* to be on the Island when they have no previous ties to it like John or Sun. It's gonna be a blast seeing how the writers work it all out.

Posted by: cmr at March 31, 2009 9:40 AM

if Jack had listened to John and not left, and John had moved the Island instead of Ben, do you suppose they would have still ended up in the 70s at all, or would their "parts" have been played by the other new recruits to Dharma?

I don't know if I can properly explain what's in my head, but I'll try...

I think that by the time Locke says that they shouldn't have left, it was already too late - because 815 had already crashed (which by my theory is a course correction). And we have already seen Locke moving the island again, so that may have been a course correction to Ben moving it the first time. I haven't figured out why Ben did it - was it just a matter of time constraints (since he was trying to hide the island from Widmore) or did he have some other motive?

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2009 9:54 AM

I think Ben always has other motives. Remember, he wanted to get off the Island at that point to hunt down and kill Penny as retribution. With the sub destroyed his best chance was to turn the wheel himself. And I'm sure he figured he could always get back by hitching a ride with the O-6.

Actually, and this is way off topic for the episode, I'm beginning to think that Ben has always been the bad guy - that he has essentially been holding Jacob/the Island captive and using it's powers for his own ends (immortality maybe? sheer ego? this would've been why Jacob asked John for help) and that he was the one who faked the 815 crash (after all, how would Widmore have known that they crashed on the Island?). Of course this would make Widmore the "good" guy - despite being a major asshole...

Posted by: cmr at March 31, 2009 10:29 AM

Interesting thoughts cmr, but I can't say that I've made up my mind about Ben yet. I still see Widmore as the bad guy, and have a feeling Ben might not have all the wrong motivations. And the way Widmore treated Desmond tells me a lot about his character.

Also, in "Meet Kevin Johnson", Tom told Michael that Widmore staged the fake crash. Now, I realize Tom was in cahoots with Ben, but I still tend to believe that story.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2009 10:40 AM

Well, as I'm usually wrong in my Lost predictions I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong about all of this too. :)

Posted by: cmr at March 31, 2009 11:00 AM

Same here.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2009 11:04 AM

so at the end of the episode, I turned to pseudo-Mr. AvB & said, "omigod, Sayid killed BabyBen!" and he said, "No, we already know Ben doesn't die on his timeline. Sayid planted a bullet next to BabyBen's spine that's going to rot and give him spine cancer, which Jack is going to operate on him for later, as we saw in S2."

I love that guy.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at March 31, 2009 2:13 PM

Perhaps saying they were never supposed to leave the island was purely a statement made to put them in the position they had to be in in order to be on the Ajira flight, travel back to the 70s, and keep the space-time continuum in order. That would sort of be like in The Matrix when The Oracle tells Neo that he isn't The One not because it's the truth, but because it's what he needs to hear in order for events to converge as they did...

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2009 2:34 PM

Good point Darth, I hadn't looked at it from that perspective before.

Posted by: cmr at March 31, 2009 3:28 PM

Someone might have mentioned this already, but it's PATRICK Bateman, played by Christian Bale in the movie American Psycho.

Love the reference, however.

Posted by: Brett at March 31, 2009 4:51 PM

I like that thought Darth.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2009 4:54 PM

I'm just glad I wasn't the only one to notice the extremely bad acting of that one extra; it was so awful, it actually drew my attention away from the relevant part of the scene. Dude, you're an extra--don't make me notice you.

I was cringing as I awaited Sayid's torture, but as soon as they produced the truth serum, I sighed in relief. I knew the second Sayid admitted to being from the future that everything he said would be discounted.

And I know little Ben isn't dead because Sayid didn't check the body. When will people learn that you ALWAYS have to check the body?

Someone mentioned that maybe the Others were slaves from the Black Rock. Wouldn't there be more black people then? 'Cause there's a whole lotta white people on this island.

Posted by: DeadBessie at April 1, 2009 7:39 AM

Truth serum = LSD, my friends.

Posted by: Nadha at April 1, 2009 4:39 PM

As far as I'm concerned, Sayid is guilty of attempted murder. He really has no excuse for his action. I've always thought that he was too self-righteous for his own good. It was this self-righteousness that led to Sawyer's torture in S1, the murders of the Others in the S3 finale and his attempt to kill Ben. Jack, who possesses a similar trait, has been a participant (one way or the other) in the previous incidents. It will be interesting to see if he will in this latest bruha over Ben.


Sawyer actually looks surprised and worried that Juliet brought the issue up as soon as she did, but he tells her that even though their old friends have returned, nothing has changed. He misses what would have been a good opportunity to reassure her that he loves her — something quick along the lines of choosing her and not just settling for her — but he doesn’t, and I can only assume it’s because he will eventually break her heart and he needs to be imbued with as much viewer goodwill as possible to coast past that, which means he has to stop with the clear declarations of affection.

If Sawyer does breaks Juliet's heart, I will harbor nothing but contempt for him. He will continue being Kate's love bitch. The stupid idiot doesn't even realizes that she's using him, because of her recent breakup with Jack. Nor does he realize that she had used Jack for a mercy fuck before boarding Flight 316.

God! Both Jack and Sawyer are such morons when it comes to Kate, who in my opinion is nothing more than a feckless bitch who needs the affections of men to feel some glimmer of self worth.

Posted by: Rosie at April 1, 2009 6:31 PM

iheartlasagne, i get where you're coming from with the Skate love, but i dislike Kate too much to want Sawyer to get back with her. i don't think that she is capable of really loving anyone else, but maybe they are trying to redeem her character--with the whole Aaron storyline--to show that she is growing up and learning what it means to really love someone.

That's not what I got from the Aaron storyline. I don't care how much Kate loved him. She had dragged an innocent into a major deception and kept him from his grandmother for nearly 3 years, due to her own selfishness.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this was an example of Kate maturing as a person.

Posted by: Rosie at April 1, 2009 6:34 PM

Hey Daniel, how the fuck did you ever get a gig as a writer let alone any editing duties? The sheer volume of your review shows that you have no clue about concise writing. The gigantic blocks of words words words obviously proves you are completely untrained as a genuine writer. Why would I or anyone care about the opinion of someone who obviously has no clue about how to properly write a piece? You're not even good enough to be a hack, you're just really really bad. The Swine Flu is now epidemic in Mexico. Why don't you do everyone a favor and take a trip there.

Posted by: Cathy Cuntgum at April 29, 2009 1:06 PM





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