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All This Wanderin' / Got Me
Nothin'
The Incredible Hulk / John Williams
Finally, Hollywood gets around to remaking something that needs to be remade. Hulk (2003) stands out on Ang Lee’s resumé like Larry the Cable Guy at a black-tie dinner. With Eric Bana as its wooden lead, CGI effects that were monstrous in all the wrong ways, and Nick Nolte rampaging more than the title character (Nolte didn’t chew the scenery in the movie’s climactic scene; he swallowed it whole), Hulk was rightly lambasted by critics. Which would have been fine with the studio, of course, except that audiences stayed away, too. We can’t have that. So, five short years later, the jolly-allergic green giant bounds into theaters again, trying to smash his way back into our hearts. The results are decidedly mixed.
Let’s start with the upgrades. The most significant is Edward Norton in the role of Dr. Bruce Banner, the mild scientist who was poisoned with gamma radiation while working on a military project, causing him to morph into the Hulk whenever he’s too angry. (In the movie, the trigger is linked to Banner’s pulse, not just anger. Sexual arousal can do the trick just as well, making him a high-risk, high-yield date.) Bana may not have the blinding charisma of a movie star, but he has the cheekbones and abs of one. Norton’s stringiness — to say nothing of his acting chops — offers a more poetic contrast to the Hulk’s dimensions.
The script and story are also improvements — up to a point. After a breezy recap of Banner’s history over the opening credits, we’re taken on a stunning aerial tour of the claustrophobically stacked houses of a Brazilian slum, where Banner is living and working at a soda bottling factory. In between shifts, he practices a mixture of martial arts and anger control with a local guru. It’s working. A graphic pops up to tell us there have been five months “without incident.”
Banner is carefully off the radar because General Ross (William Hurt) wants to find him, corral him, study him, and weaponize the gamma effect. Blonsky (Tim Roth) is the latest mercenary hired to do the formidable corralling. (His first attempt benefits greatly from the Brazilian location, an unforgettable backdrop for an extended chase scene.) With his most recent cover blown, Banner returns home to Virginia to dig up secret, possibly helpful information about his condition. While there, he sees Betty Ross (Liv Tyler), his former girlfriend and the general’s daughter. She has taken up with a psychologist but reserves a place in her heart for the chemistry experiment who got away. Both of them realize that Bruce will eventually have to skip town again.
The somber sense of necessary wandering that permeated the otherwise campy TV series (1978-1982) is beautifully established in the first half of the new movie. The TV show echoes in other ways, too — including inventive cameos by a couple of actors, a brief, stirring use of the famous piano theme, and a funny play on Banner’s classic warning: “Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.” Director Louis Leterrier — whose credentials aren’t exactly Ang-like — conveys the cultural cues of the Hulk better than Lee did on almost every level.
Which is why it’s particularly sad that his effort is done in by a weak leading man and a terrible third act. CGI has improved since 2003. This Hulk looks more organic than Ang Lee’s version, but given that Lee’s looked like a giant lime-green kickball, that’s not progress enough. Portraying this creature is a problem that other super-movies don’t have. A flashy latex costume won’t do the trick. And since even a brief look back at the days of Lou Ferrigno should be enough to dissuade anyone from just painting another dude, we may be left to sadly conclude that the Hulk is just unfilmable.
The last few scenes here are certainly unwatchable. Once Banner arrives in New York to meet with a scientist who might hold a cure, the movie unravels. Focus moves from the touching story of Bruce and Betty to outlandish twists — like Banner tossing himself from a helicopter for no good reason — and a long, loud, generic finale outside the Apollo Theater in Harlem.
The shame of all this is that Bruce Banner and his worse half are great raw material. The Hulk is not Banner’s alter ego so much as his sub ego, erupting to express an inner rage that everyone is capable of feeling. This makes the Hulk a far more archetypal figure than, say, Batman. And Banner is not a newspaper hack by day, like Superman, hoping to go unnoticed by colleagues only for the sake of the plot’s credibility; he’s literally hunted by military operatives who won’t be thrown off track by a pair of eyeglasses and a cowlick. This requires him to lead a nomadic existence, forsaking not just certain relationships but any kind of stability at all. There’s a poignancy to this set-up that’s missing from any number of other super heroes. (It’s arguable whether the Hulk can even be called a hero. He’s heroically pissed off, but that’s about it.) But the best anyone has come to capturing this dynamic on screen is the closing moment of the TV series’ opening credits, when a split screen shows a thoughtful Banner and a raging Hulk. Longer exposure than that, and the green one has proven to be a visual dud. The closing moments of this most recent installment leaves the door open — wide open — for a sequel. A synergistic sequel, no less. So perhaps the third time will prove the charm. But I’m not getting my pulse up about it.
John Williams lives in Brooklyn. He’s a freelance writer. He blogs at A Special Way of Being Afraid.
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Comments
I'm sitting here wondering exactly what "synergistic sequel" means. It doesn't sound good, though.
Posted by: blanketyblank at June 13, 2008 6:08 PM
Well, shit.
Posted by: Nika at June 13, 2008 6:12 PM
I didn't see the last Hulk movie because every time I saw the trailer I thought "Look! They switch to a cartoon every now and then!"
I got the same feeling watching the trailer for this. Even though Edward Norton seems like he does a better job with Bruce Banner, I agree that the Hulk just isn't filmable. Every attempt looks really fucking stupid. So I'm not seeing this either. Although, I could be convinced by a glass of sangria and a promise of seeing one Tony Stark. Mrowr.
Posted by: Sharon at June 13, 2008 6:14 PM
In re: the movie, not the review.
Posted by: Nika at June 13, 2008 6:14 PM
well, the geeks seem to be all in a tither about this one.. saying it's almost Iron Man good... so, if one were inclinced to see a film about a guy whose anger 'pumps.... him up', then maybe it will be worth seeing.
Posted by: Dariuss at June 13, 2008 6:24 PM
Oh Ben Folds review titles. You never let me down.
Posted by: coveredinbees at June 13, 2008 6:25 PM
Edward Norton is a "weak leading man?"
Posted by: Bucko at June 13, 2008 6:26 PM
"The Hulk is not Banner's alter ego so much as his sub ego, erupting to express an inner rage that everyone is capable of feeling"
or perhaps, not an ego at all, but an id? Thought that was the id's job.
Posted by: Anne (in Reno) at June 13, 2008 6:28 PM
I liked it more than Iron Man.
Posted by: prawntastic at June 13, 2008 6:32 PM
I read HERE that the ending is disjointed because they actually cut it out, since they felt it was too deep for the kiddies... boooo...Every time I go to Comic-Con I always have to resist the urge to go bitch them out during the Q&A.
Posted by: Vi at June 13, 2008 6:33 PM
Edward Norton is a "weak leading man?"
I think the 'weak leading man' was meant to refer to the Hulk, and not to Norton, but please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, Mr. Williams.
I'm not sure how I feel about this movie. I hated the 2003 version. This CGI Hulk looks maybe .065% less retarded than the old one, but it's still effing stupid as hell. As for Edward Norton...well, thought gifted, he is a staggeringly conceited ass and I usually only like his performances when his talent supercedes his asshattery, and judging from his infantile behaviour in regards to the promotion campaign, I am more than a little skeptical about this movie. From the previews, the best thing I can say about it is that Liv Tyler is in it, and she's very pretty and generally likable. That's hardly motivation enough to convince me to watch it, though.
Posted by: Sarina at June 13, 2008 6:42 PM
As a longtime reader of comics, I have to say that I don't know whether the Hulk is filmable largely because it's just plain boring.
Posted by: KateNonymous at June 13, 2008 6:46 PM
So... um... I guess I'm the only one who liked the Ang Lee Hulk? (minus the absolutely horrid final 25 minutes)
Oh.
Uh... crap.
Posted by: TK at June 13, 2008 6:52 PM
I'm closing my ears and stomping my feet in protest. I will go watch this, and I will enjoy this.
NANANANANANANANANANANA
So... um... I guess I'm the only one who liked the Ang Lee Hulk? (minus the absolutely horrid final 25 minutes)
Shhhhh...you're not the only one...
Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at June 13, 2008 7:26 PM
TK, you're not alone on the Ang Lee Hulk. I liked it, too, up until the ending (which I still don't understand). Perhaps had the ending worked - or involved the Hulk smashing more stuff - the movie would've had more legs among its viewers.
My problem with this one as well as the first is the CGI/fakeness of the Hulk himself. While my wife - who was a diehard fan of the old TV show - wanted a muscle man painted green to play the Hulk, I thought that didn't represent the immenseness of what the Hulk is supposed to be. But the CGI Hulk isn't right either - as posted earlier, the movie suddenly becomes a cartoon. Maybe they need to hold off on characters like the Hulk until the effects catch up with the concept - something like they did with Spiderman.
But damn its fun to watch Hulk Smash!
Posted by: B-Unit at June 13, 2008 7:28 PM
It's arguable whether the Hulk can even be called a hero. He's heroically pissed off, but that's about it.
And that's kinda the problem. Corny as it is, the reason big popcorn thrillers work is the standard formula of "See superhero. See supervillain. See superhero beat the living bejesus out of supervillain. Also, romantic subplot!" Watching an uncontrollable beast beating up the slightly-more-evil uncontrollable beast lacks the same catharsis. The Hulk's entire gimmick is done far better by Peter Puppy, with added comic value. Now, Hulk as a comedic foil...that I could get behind.
Posted by: Shay at June 13, 2008 7:35 PM
So the only bad parts are A: 'bad' special effects that make the Hulk seem fake? No problem, that's why a lot of vg nerds hate the Wii, and I could care less about that (I don't care how it looks, I care how its used) and B: the last third is 'generic', apparently, and is pretty much just Hulk and Abomination fighting the crap out of one another??
Oh yes, I am most DEFINITELY seeing this. Multiple times. Call me what you will, but I loves me some destruction.
Posted by: Bob at June 13, 2008 7:38 PM
psssssst, TK: You're not the only one.
Posted by: be right back at June 13, 2008 7:56 PM
@TK: you are not alone, I liked it too.
Posted by: goldend at June 13, 2008 8:15 PM
Well, at least it sounds better than the other movie that came out this weekend. Maybe I can convince my roommates to skip The Happening and geek out for a bit. Unlikely, though.
Posted by: the_wakeful at June 13, 2008 8:21 PM
I liked it. It's not Iron Man good, but it's a fine action movie.
Not really a whole lot more to say. I can't see people getting especially passionate about this one. But I can't see too many people being wildly disappointed either.
Posted by: Arran at June 13, 2008 8:34 PM
Edward Norton = enourmous douchebag. Not convinced? He banged Courtney Love. Nuff said.
Posted by: grinder at June 13, 2008 8:51 PM
I kinda dug the first Hulk too.
This one wasn't nearly as bad as the reviewer made it out to be. I could be wrong but it sounds as though his only exposure to the character was the TV show, and as much as some people seem to like that version it wasn't all that great in my opinion. This film seemed to be made with the comic fan in mind. There were nods to the show, sure but there were lots of inside references that only the nerdiest of us would appreciate. And although some would say that alienates a larger portion of your audience I applaud the filmmakers decision. The most successful of these comic book movies (for the most part) are the ones that respect the source material and not pander too much to the half-a-tard general public.
Lastly, there is no way that the final action piece to the film was "unwatchable". One of the better fight scenes I have seen in a while.
Posted by: EJ at June 13, 2008 8:56 PM
I can't remember anything about the 2003 Hulk, I just remember it being not good.
With that said, I thought this was ok but nothing special. Good action, but my gods, some of the dialogue was killing me. Norton was meh (but then again, I can't remember how bad Bana was, so I have no basis for comparison). Same with Liv Tyler/Jennifer Connelly; again, okay but not memorable.
And the last third is not "just Hulk and Abomination fighting the crap out of one another," this review is right, there was shit being pulled out of asses and plopped on screen for sure. The fight itself was good until the very end of it (specifically, what happens to Abom).
Posted by: Mick J at June 13, 2008 9:42 PM
See, this is why y'all are my people.
Posted by: TK at June 13, 2008 10:42 PM
At the moment I've not seen either movie, but remember what the former gave us.
Hulk Hands, people. Hulk Hands.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nebulon9/1279019963/in/pool-hulkhands
Thanks for taking one for the team, Ang.
Posted by: Jay at June 13, 2008 10:53 PM
Screw this. When's the She-Hulk movie coming out? I wanna see Jennifer Connelly get angry and turn green and burst out of her blouse. Priorities, people, PRIORITIES!
Posted by: DGM at June 13, 2008 11:25 PM
I loved Ang Lee's version. The CGI was convincing to me. The story was good and the characters where fleshed out to the hilt.
This new movie has made improvments though on Lee's film. There definitely a lot more humor in this one. Plus the destructive power of the Hulk is better illustrated in this film than the last one. The opening sequence did it for me.
Still the mano y mano in the end was okay. Hearing the Hulk talk smack was good. Seeing the Hulk do his thunderclap thrilled me. And yet in my mind the Hulk here looks more fake than the one in Lee's film. A little disconcerting to say the least.
Plus the Abomination looked pretty crappy to me.
Posted by: Mr. West at June 13, 2008 11:37 PM
The movie is much better than this review makes it seem. people that don't like the genre shouldn't have been dumb enough to buy a ticket to see The Incredible Hulk. for everyone else (fanboys or just those that don't dismiss comic-movies offhand):
1) MUCH better than the 2003 disaster. Ed Norton is infinitely more understandable in the Banner role. as the review notes, he's more physically suited to the role, and b/c he has the chops, he can actually provide the kind of humanity to the character. Tim Roth is a good villain, Liv Tyler is an upgrade in the Betty Ross role, and William Hurt does a decent job as Gen Ross.
2) there are tons of easter eggs for those who love the comic and the nods to those who know the Hulk more as the TV Show Bill Bixby did in the 70's. if you want your comic-book movie to succeed, you HAVE to please the audience base that WANTS to see the movie more than once. piss them off, and you have no staying power at all.
3) just like they did with Iron Man, Marvel correctly recognizes that staying true to the spirit of the comic is a good strategy (sure, the origin copies the TV show, not the comic, but it makes more sense in the 21st century than 'man survives nuclear test' of the 1950's Cold War).
4) The CGI was slightly better. but most of all, the story was waaaay better. the VIBE that makes the Hulk an interesting story - anti-hero who lives a nomadic life in hopes of finding the cure for his terrifying condition - is the central theme of this movie, unlike the psycho-babble of Ang Lee's Hulk.
it's not Iron Man (RDJ was born to play Tony Stark), but it's better than the other action blockbusters so far. definitely better than Indy IV.
Posted by: Michael at June 14, 2008 12:31 AM
I am also a member of the Ang Lee Hulk Underground.
Here are three things I kept in mind when watching it, which immensely increased it's value:
1) People complained because it was a lot of "psycho-babble", and was a big weepy drama interspersed with action scenes. Well, lets see her a moment. Ang Lee as the director...what film did he do again? Oh yes. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. And how would one describe the film? It was really dramatic, weepy in parts, that had a few kickass action scenes. All the complaints about Hulk could be found in Crouching Tiger as well. In other words: the studios got what they paid for. They got a Ang Lee Hulk movie.
2) The "psycho-babble" from that film was more a part of the comic book than the wandering loner schtick, which became so popular because of the TV series.
3) The ending was just terrible Can't really defend that.
That said, I will still give this one a try. Not because of Norton (who, like so many, felt it necessary to kick a Lee when he is down) or some weird loyalty to the TV show (which I don't quite get); no, I am going to do it because goddamn it, I want to see shit get torn up, whether by a weepy Hulk or a stop-wandering-get-a-Garmin-already Hulk.
Plus, Liv Tyler makes me want to get my elfish on in so many ways.
I must go now. I let my brain wander, and now, due to the connection with Norton, apparently Salma Hayek and Liv Tyler are enjoying each others company in my very sleepy head. Good night.
Posted by: Vermillion at June 14, 2008 1:01 AM
Just saw the movie a couple of hours ago and it was great fun. The filmmakers get the audience up to speed and into the story surprisingly fast, and they make the audience care about the characters very quickly. There are moments of genuine human emotion in the movie, which is rare in this genre, and the cast is really up to the task. The Hulk is not unfilmable. Sure, the CGI isn't always firing on all cylinders. That was true of the first Spider-Man movie, too, but it didn't spoil my enjoyment of that movie or this one. I'm sure the crew learned a lot from working on this project and that the CGI will improve in subsequent films. And no, it doesn't fall apart and become unwatchable in the last act. The climactic battle provides some nice payoffs by letting the Hulk do what he does best: property damage. In my algebra, Steel Fistigons + Atomic Thunderclap = Awesomeness. I call this another big win for Marvel.
Posted by: magsman at June 14, 2008 1:12 AM
TK, SOD,
You are not alone.
Never alone.
Don't call the cops, ok? They'll just make things complicated.
Except for Dad Banner being the Absorbing Man, I kinda liked it.
Crap. For future reference, a broken nose (don't ask), bourbon, and aspirin don't mix. Got a bloody nose that has started to leak and won't stop.
Posted by: W.E.Coyote at June 14, 2008 1:13 AM
Ok...I promise i'm going to bed now.
I saw Indy IV a couple of weekends ago. I am still mad. Hulk Mad!
American Graffiti drag race? Check.
Star Wars father/son conflict? Check.
A dog name for the given name? Check.
F*ck! Can't GL think of a new thought since '83? I hate him...God help me if he redoes Willow.
Posted by: W.E.Coyote at June 14, 2008 1:18 AM
I think there is something everyone is missing so far, or, at least, no one is mentioning, and that is that Marvel is trying, or at least it appears that they are, to tie their movies together into a cohesive universe just like their comics. At least the Marvel Studios movies, that is. There are numerous references to Stark Industries, SHIELD, and the super soldier project that created Captain America in this new Hulk. For that alone, I would have to say that this movie is a great success. If Marvel is able to pull off in movies, now, what they did in comics in the 60s, I think we will see the face of the way movies, or at least some movies, are made. And it seems apparent that they are doing a lot of set up work for an Avengers movie which won't have to use up the first hour introducing all the characters, which is a lot more than can be said for the JLA movie which Warner Bros is trying to do.
Of course, none of that has anything to do with the actual execution of the movie itself. However, I do believe they did a more than a respectable job with this new Hulk. It lacks, for lack of a better term, the charisma of Iron Man, but it is still very solid. I don't have a problem with the CGI work. ((I grew up on old school Doctor Who, so I am not really gonna be put off by a less than perfect CGI effort. At least it isn't a guy in a big foam suit.)) I do think they went too quickly from Hulk getting his butt handed to him to him serving up the Abomination on a platter too quickly, but that is a fairly common issue with... well, not just movies. ((and I hope that doesn't spoil anything for anyone, but you all knew the Hulk wins, anyway, right?)) At any rate, I enjoyed the movie enough that I would go see it again if the opportunity arose, which, in my book, is the mark of a successful film. If it's not enjoyable enough for me to see a 2nd time, whether at the theater or on DVD, then it probably wasn't worth seeing the first time.
Posted by: fixer at June 14, 2008 2:23 AM
Oh, see, now I can't wait for Marvel's first big annual summer movie cross-over event! It will be epic! >grin
Posted by: fixer at June 14, 2008 2:30 AM
Actually, fixer, I've been preaching that for weeks now. Ask anybody...they've been getting sick of me saying it, hehe...
Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at June 14, 2008 3:06 AM
I liked Ang's version and I also liked Eric Bana. I thought his awkward, nerdy performance was a perfect foil to the 'rage, power and freedom' of being Hulk. And the scenes of him bounding over the sand dunes were great. The third act, however, was cumbersome - Nick Nolte was too over the top. I had a feeling this version was going to be a little 'meh'. I'll check out the DVD.
The awesomeness that was IM has raised the bar for Marvel and I hope they don't take the fans for granted by releasing sub-par stuff. The Avengers need to be handled very carefully.
In the meantime, I'll wait for the 'who will play Captain America' threads to start.
Posted by: Subi at June 14, 2008 4:40 AM
I liked Ang's version and I also liked Eric Bana. I thought his awkward, nerdy performance was a perfect foil to the 'rage, power and freedom' of being Hulk. And the scenes of him bounding over the sand dunes were great. The third act, however, was cumbersome - Nick Nolte was too over the top. I had a feeling this version was going to be a little 'meh'. I'll check out the DVD.
The awesomeness that was IM has raised the bar for Marvel and I hope they don't take the fans for granted by releasing sub-par stuff. The Avengers need to be handled very carefully.
In the meantime, I'll wait for the 'who will play Captain America' threads to start.
Posted by: Subi at June 14, 2008 4:41 AM
You are off your rocker, John. I HATE all things Marvel and never gave a shit about the Hulk, but damn if this flick didn't send me straight to the comic-book store for some back-issues. (Same thing happened with Iron Man... eff you Avi you evil genius!) Your local screen must have been due for an upgrade, because the CGI on our reel was superb. And while I agree the fight scene could have been beefed up, he body count was well above 200 before the third act.
And then, there was Norton. Frequently shirtless Norton. Shirtless and sweating Norton. Norton in glasses. And shirtless. Wet with sweat. Umm... what was I saying...
Posted by: Ciji at June 14, 2008 4:53 AM
I also liked the Ang Lee Hulk (outside Nolte, the Hulk dogs, obviously)
Posted by: cockroach at June 14, 2008 6:11 AM
a lot more than can be said for the JLA movie which Warner Bros is trying to do.
SHHHH! Don't remind Warner of it, it's quietly dying and I don't want to disturb it.
It wouldn't be so bad an idea if they'd coordinated it like Marvel's trying to do. No, the other actors and directors are busy on their own movies so let's get an Earth 2 cast together for this one.
No, just give me new Bale and Routh movies then, thanks.
Gale Anne Hurd said Captain America himself is not seen in the Hulk movie, just things related to him, so I can still hope Neal McDonough's gonna get the call.
Posted by: Jay at June 14, 2008 6:41 AM
I also like Lee's Hulk.
Maybe it's because I never read the comics (much). Most Hulk fanboys seem to hate earlier movie.
I admit the CGI was pretty bad, especially the mutated dogs. But that's not what's the movie about. It's about the story and character development, not action. And that's why it is one of the best comic adaptions ever.
Posted by: FabMax at June 14, 2008 8:41 AM
I saw the Hulk yesterday and I really don't know how to feel about it. It's was ok, but not the punch I expected. Now Iron Man was a punch in the gut. To tell you the truth, the original Hulk with Bruce Bixby was better than all this recent Hulk shit.
Posted by: Pookie at June 14, 2008 9:39 AM
I wasn't gonna go see this film, but I got into an argument with my nephew about whether or not Spiderman was an avenger and the novelties of certain Marvel characters, and ended up at the theater.
I'm surprised to say that I actually enjoyed it, even if all Liv Tyler said the whole movie was "STOP IT!" and "It's okay."
Even though the finale was a little bit brain damaged, I felt it was acceptable because... well, I'm watching about a fucking hulk.
And the last scene with RDJ was TOTALLY supposed to be the after-credits scene, so I'm a little P.O.ed at Norton for forcing it into the actual movie because he's a brat. I like after-credit scenes, dammit.
Posted by: J_Capri at June 14, 2008 12:21 PM
I read two sentences into this when I could just FEEL the "Ang Lee's HULK was just MISUNDERSTOOD!" post forming in a little cesspool at the bottom. Ugh...every film, no matter how blatantly STUPID, has its defenders, I guess.
Posted by: Case at June 14, 2008 1:21 PM
I just came back from seeing this with a friend and her (HUGE FAN) boyfriend. He was so excited for this because it got decent reviews on rottentomatoes and because he HEARD it would be better than the Other Hulk. Poor guy... I thought he was going to cry as we left the cinema.
Basically I agree with this review --- the movie was really passable until the third act. Once they hit NY the shit hit the fan and it got... well shitty. I thought all the parts until Bruce left Brazil were spot-on, and it was middling action movie after that... and then they hit NY and I was rolling my eyes a mile a minute. How come the Abomination can talk but Hulk can't? Plus his dialogue (as much of the film's) was SO awful and SO cheesy. Then the Hulk Smash?
*spoiler*
Blowing out the helicopter flames with a hand clap?
Basically I was loving the first third, enjoying the second, then epic fail on the third.
BUT I still enjoyed it more than the Other Hulk movie.
Posted by: Michelle at June 14, 2008 7:12 PM
I saw this movie yesterday, and I enjoyed it.
I have to wonder how I would rate it had the incredible awesometasticness that is Iron Man not appeared on the screens in the same year. Iron Man just kicks so much ass, in so many ways, that comparison seems unfair.
It's kind of impossible to evaluate a movie like this and be totally objective; there's too many prior examples, like the Lee movie, the tv series, the comics---whether you're a fan or not, you've probably been exposed to this character in some incarnation.
But I liked this representation. The screenwriters and director made good choices in the shout out material, combining comic and tv hollas that had me grinning, and I'm sure I didn't catch all of them.
The movie wasn't afraid to poke fun at itself, as noted in the reworking of one famous catch phrase and the interjection of another classic Hulk smack-threat. There was a sense of poignancy and isolation mixed in as well--and I really believed that Banner and Ross (Norton and Tyler) actually had a romantic history and like each other.
The CGI was, well, CGI. I've always felt that the human-form stuff still leaves a lot to be desired--even in the case where the human is rather unreal looking to begin with. It makes me wonder if some kind of soul-selling deal was struck to make those dinosaurs look so damn good in Jurassic Park.
And Wordy McWord to the people citing the excellent build up to the Avengers movie. This is being so well done. I'm really wondering how they're gonna sell the Mighty Thor, for one thing, but these last two Marvel movies give me a small spark of hope.
Ultimately, I feel like this movie strikes a great balance in being both accessible to the die hard fans and the general public. Until the new Batman movie comes out, make mine Marvel!
Posted by: brodiekins at June 15, 2008 9:35 AM
Wait, confused here. It could just be my getting 4 hours of sleep last night, but didn't you call Norton an upgrade to Bana, and then a weak leading man a couple of paragraphs down? Is it just that he's better than Bana, but still not great, or did I miss something else?
Posted by: Julia at June 15, 2008 10:31 AM
Julia,
I think that he meant that Hulk as a leading man was weak, not Norton? That's what I took it to mean, although he could also have meant that on paper Norton was a better choice, but in reality was weak on his own accord.
Brodiekins - I too agreed that I think seeing Ironman 3 days earlier affected my view of this movie. I guess after the fabulousness that was Ironman and the good-looking reviews for Incredible Hulk my expectations were higher (esp. since they're both in the comic book genre). I think if I hadn't JUST seen Ironman I could've enjoyed the cheesefest ending and dialogue in this movie more.
Posted by: Michelle at June 15, 2008 10:47 AM
I also loved Iron Man, but the Hulk was just fabulously ok. Maybe, just maybe the Hulk doesn't translate well to the big screen. I think the Hulk was better as a t.v. show. I swear I used to watch this every Friday night and would almost weep every time Bruce is walking down the street and the piano would play those few notes.
Posted by: Pookie at June 15, 2008 11:28 AM
like Banner tossing himself from a helicopter for no good reason
I thought Banner jumped out of the helicopter so he could raise his pulse, turn into the Hulk and beat the shit out of Abomination. Plus, he didn't want the helicopter to land because he didn't want to put Betty in danger.
Posted by: Dave at June 15, 2008 11:35 AM
"I thought Banner jumped out of the helicopter so he could raise his pulse, turn into the Hulk and beat the shit out of Abomination. Plus, he didn't want the helicopter to land because he didn't want to put Betty in danger."
Yeah, not to insult any reviewer's intelligence, but i thought that this was painfully obvious. He needed to get to ground zero quickly and to transform quickly and 2+2=4, so...
Posted by: smatt584 at June 15, 2008 2:18 PM
Pookie: Hey lady you need some money?
Lady: Yes, but I'm not going to do anything to get it.
Pookie: Well then you don't want no money lady.
Lady: Get away from my you creep.
Pookie: Listen lady, I'm trying to be a good guy and help you out. But if you're going to be a cunt, well then I'm going to take my money somewhere else and help those that want help.
Lady: Ok ok, I'm sorry. I just didn't want to get caught up in any kinda mess.
Pookie: So then, do you need some money?
Lady: Yes I do, can you help me?
Pookie: Yes, but you have to go with me somewhere.
Lady: Where?
Pookie: Shut up and get in the car!
Lady: Ok.
Posted by: Pookie at June 15, 2008 2:36 PM
I saw it on opening night and I really enjoyed it. For once, we have a superhero movie that didn't spend the first half on exposition, which is definitely a plus. Norton and Tyler were both pretty good and I thought the climactic fight scene was awesome. Lots of clapping in my theater when the Hulk did his car as boxing gloves trick. I'd put this on par with Spiderman 2 in terms of superhero movies, which is high praise indeed. The only reason I'd rate Iron Man higher is because Downey Jr. was so much fun to watch as Tony Stark.
Posted by: bartap at June 15, 2008 3:00 PM
Maybe it was the atmosphere of opening night - we saw it at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood - but this movie was AWESOME.
Tim Roth was there, Louis Leterrier was there, and the audience was stoked. Who cares about an objective analysis of the film?
It was fun.
And it was better than Iron Man.
There, I said it.
Posted by: MaryWoo at June 15, 2008 3:28 PM
Oh, MaryWoo...duck and cover, sweetie!
Posted by: MO at June 15, 2008 4:50 PM
I'd put this on par with Spiderman 2 in terms of superhero movies, which is high praise indeed.
Don't say that...I'll never go watch it then.
MaryWoo...even as we speak, highly specialized microbots shaped like squirrels are riding the web-wave, searching for your address. Once they find you sitting at your computer, they'll proceed to eat your eyeballs, and then chitter a lot and self-destruct in your kitchen sink. Your offense will not go unpunished.
Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at June 15, 2008 5:34 PM
Well now, look how many of you have come out of the closet about Hulk (2003)! I'd tsk tsk at you, but I didn't see it. Yup that's right, ugly angry green giants aren't really my thing. I'll skip this one too. Seriously, I love superhero films more than Julie loves 70s porn, but damn if I'm going to watch this shit.
And on a slightly unrelated note, I really really HATE the word "synergy". It bugs me, I have no idea what's meant by it and business people are always shooting it at me and I suspect they're just trying to confuse me.
Posted by: Joker at June 15, 2008 6:29 PM
Just for the record on the leading man thing, yes, two commenters have rightly noted that I meant the Hulk himself, not Norton.
I don't consider my intelligence insulted because some people had an easier time accepting the helicopter scene. It's not that I didn't know why he was doing it, it's that it made little to no sense -- especially since, *half-spoiler*, he had just had a procedure done that may have kept him from ever turning into the Hulk again, so to try it while plummeting to earth was asinine, indeed. There were other reasons that scene stunk, too. But hey, it's a comic book movie. I don't expect everything to add up.
Posted by: JMW at June 15, 2008 8:12 PM
Shadows of Dakaron - here's what you said about Iron Man (and I quote):
"This movie was FANTASTIC! I saw it last night...and had geekgasms! EVERYBODY must go see this! Great movie! Can I use more exclamation marks? Yes I can!
However, Dustin...I really have to disagree about Gwyneth. Maybe it's my cimic book gek in me...but she couldn't sell Pepper to me...who was supposed to be a no-nonsense, professional businesswoman who doesn't let anything faze her and doesn't balk from doing her job. She kept taking me out of it.
A.) I think you meant "comic". . . and "geek" (hard to type with only one hand, isn't it?).
B.) Gwyneth was the wrong choice. I thought it should have been Bryce Dallas Howard, but she was busy getting married and being pregnant (please forgive her for "Spiderman 3").
C. ) Darling, I was going to say something mean, but I found your myspace page (if it is yours) and you have an lolcat picture there, you are from Montgomery, Alabama, I am watching "Hot Fuzz" and drinking white wine. So, while I will say you might be the BIGGEST geek on the planet, you're, in fact, MY kind of geek. Bring on the micro-squirrels!
Posted by: MaryWoo at June 15, 2008 9:04 PM
I'm not sure whether to be highly insulted or blushingly complimented. I'll go for the latter.
Damn...I am easy to find, aren't I? There've got to be bigger geeks than me...where's Vermillion when I need him...
Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at June 15, 2008 11:21 PM
Blush on, little Blusher.
Posted by: MaryWoo at June 15, 2008 11:26 PM
Bryce Dallas Howard...please forgive her for "Spiderman 3"
No.
Posted by: J_Capri at June 16, 2008 1:07 AM
Hyphen.
I had a wedding dinner party (they just did the little civil thing the day before) and a Cure show to see this weekend, but I've still got that AMC gift card to burn on "well, I dunno" movies. So here I come, Hulk (if I can do it before working next weekend which has R.E.M. already sandwiched into it and I just don't like to do too many things in the same day, ya know?)!
Actually Vermillion's about 35 minutes away from me but what he's doing right now I don't know.
Posted by: Jay at June 16, 2008 1:20 AM
Damn...I am easy to find, aren't I? There've got to be bigger geeks than me...where's Vermillion when I need him...
I am too busy trying to see how much blood (or other fluids) I need to sell in order to buy the new Dungeons and Dragons Core Rulebook Set. And correcting the Pierre Bernard sketches on Conan O'Brien for accuracy.
Damn, I am a geek.
Posted by: Vermillion at June 16, 2008 6:20 AM
If WETA could make me beleive that Gollum and Shelob were real, then there's no excuse for not creating a believable Hulk. It's doable if they'd just hire the right experts.
Posted by: BWeaves at June 16, 2008 8:30 AM
Saw it on Saturday & it was a VERY FUN, well made film. Don't let this review detract you; it was as entertaining as Iron Man.
Posted by: Leo at June 16, 2008 11:36 AM
Interesting movie, definitely lacking the dead spots the other Hulk had. (Though I laughed out loud when William Hurt exclaimed, "Where's the gunship?" He had quite a few unintentionally funny moments.) It did almost seem like the movie should have been named "The Hulk Ultimatum" though. (Globe trotting, military chasing a man who doesn't want to be found, even the Duel of the Hulks at the end seemed a little Bourne.) Other than that, the RDJ cameo is worth the wait, and The Avengers is shaping to look awesome.
Posted by: Mike R. at June 16, 2008 12:33 PM
The Incredible Hulk was forgettable (though, unfortunately, not yet forgotten). Huge gulf in talent between Lee and Letterier.
It's interesting to think that Robert Downey Jr. is now the best part of two separate Marvel franchises.
Posted by: SampleFish at June 16, 2008 1:28 PM
"and a long, loud, generic finale outside the Apollo Theater in Harlem"
Which the Hulk fanatics loved mind you.
Posted by: mb at June 16, 2008 1:38 PM
I know, the reviewer who takes the bait is the biggest sucker of all. But based on comments like the one immediately above: Let it be known that I'm a big fan of the Hulk comics (from my childhood -- late 1970s and 1980s) and the TV show, and that's why I asked to review the movie. Just in case anyone thinks the juror was negatively biased... he was not. He was hopeful. (And those hopes were treated well for the first 2/3 of the movie.)
Posted by: JMW at June 16, 2008 2:34 PM
The movie was pretty good but damned if I didn't get annoyed by the pre-teens on their cellphones and the parents who bring kids younger than 5 who don't know when to shut it.
Posted by: Dev at June 16, 2008 5:07 PM
Whoa! Did I just see someone reference "Earthworm Jim"? Shay, whoever you are, you have made me smile!
Posted by: Beware The Jabberwock at June 16, 2008 10:41 PM
"Focus moves from the touching story of Bruce and Betty to outlandish twists -- like Banner tossing himself from a helicopter for no good reason"
"(In the movie, the trigger is linked to Banner's pulse, not just anger. Sexual arousal can do the trick just as well, making him a high-risk, high-yield date.)"
..............hmmm?
And as for "-- and a long, loud, generic finale outside the Apollo Theater in Harlem." Dude its a Hulk movie, thats like saying I went on a rollercoaster ride and that last loop didn't make sense.
......anyways.
Posted by: jaromir at June 17, 2008 12:23 AM
Very brave of you to chime in "JMW".
I agree - I didn't find anything dumb for at least the first 2/3 of the film. Then there were 2 dumb things, both involving helicopters.
Still had fewer dumb things than Iron Man.
(viva la purple pants!)
Posted by: MaryWoo at June 17, 2008 3:03 AM
Just saw this with my 9-year old. I freaking LOVED it. I squeed when I saw Lou, RDJ, and loved the hungry/angry thing at the beginning. I'm such a dweeb. The grand finale I watched through my fingers because it was just too exciting. Loved this movie, and hey, Ed, call me!!!!
Posted by: michelle at June 20, 2008 10:32 PM

