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Kinda sad when there's so little hollywood news that even you don't have the energy to be snarky.

First! lol.

studios are going to be greenlighting a lot of comics for a while.

Which should be good news. Should be. *sigh*

Fifteen daaaaaays.

'The Fall' looks really, really... something. Crazy. Interesting. Unique.

You know... Firefly is a comic now, and has been for a while. Can I get a Serenity 2?

I saw 'The Fall' trailer the other day and while Singh's last movie (2000's The Cell) doesn't bode terribly well, I really, really want to see this. I don't suppose anyone knows what the deal with the release is? The movie debuted in 2006 and now it's getting some kind of release May 9th, but the internets be running dry on details.

so, after sitting through Smart People I do have to say one of the best things about going to see it was the trailer for Blindness.

Then I was like, "Is this seriously called Blindness?"

but then I remembered Mark Ruffalo is in it, and I accepted the title.

I'll definitely watch "The Fall", I'm a sucker for beautiful cinematography. Although the music nerd in me is wondering how they didn't use an excerpt from Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique" for the trailers. (And I've played the piece they are using and now can't remember what it is and it's going to drive me mad.)

As for the Tucker Max new I... can only promise that I did live in Miami and not all the pretty girls are that dumb. I mean, I've certainly never met him and/or engaged in any sexual debauchery with him. So there's at least one.

"Titled I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, the film will be directed by Bob Gosse and (one assumes) do everything in its power to make the viewer feel dipped in the kind of bitter vomitous sludge that pumps through the infected wound that doubles for Max's heart. The film's plot revolves around a guy who travels to his friend's bachelor party, does something to botch the wedding, then keeps cruising for trim before eventually trying to get back on the groom's good side and save the day."

Genius! This sounds amazing! RIVETING! I smell Oscar! I cannot wait for this movie to come out and not because I've been awake for three days straight or anything. I don't know what that David Blaine demon was making such a big deal about, because I haven't noticed any side effects other than the awesomeness of everything within my field of vision vibrating and conversing with my cat in Spanish.

I love Allison Janney. While the Cusack/Rudolph project sounds like it could work, Words sounds like Stranger Than Fiction minus everything that I loved about it. The funny thing is, they originally wanted to cast Chris Tucker in Eddie Murphy's role, but the movie would have only been three minutes long.

Genny,

someone on YouTube said it was Beethoven.

At the risk of awakening the slumbering ire in TK, I would propose that anyone who unironically suggests that any article on Pajiba qualifies as "misogynist" should be sentenced to four hours of reviewing the 40-IQ trash on Tucker Max's website. While it's easy to dismiss this smug, vile little turd as a fringe player, the greenlighting of a film glorifying his supposed "exploits" -- 95% of which involve the malicious sexual humiliation of young women -- says a great deal about the staunch anti-woman values of much of the entertainment industry.

Max is a piss-ant for certain -- If Joe Francis is a herpes epidemic, Tucker Max is a solitary anal wart -- but, to shift from metaphor to simile, like the stinging dribbly discharge that Max most resembles, he's a symptom of something important that needs some penicillin right up the ol' catheter.

Sorry to go all Bianca on your asses so early in the morning.

Thank you, twig, it is in fact Beethoven's 7th Symphony, movement 2, which I only played this past fall. I must be getting old. That or the PTSD relating to Beethoven's bass parts wiped it from my mind.

I agree with socalled, it's very easy to dismiss people like Tucker Max but the fact that he's been accepted into mainstream society does speak to a deeper problem that no one wants to talk about.

I so want to see The Fall, if only because I heart Lee Pace. It also has a sort of Pan's Labyrinth-y, fantasy vibe to it, and that little girl is cute, cute, cute.

Automatically when reading spewage from an asshat like Tucker Max, I go into "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" mode. Blame the cynicism sprung forth from years of cowards behind computer screens making up entire lives for the benefit of a bunch of anonymous strangers.

Not only am I repulsed by this pinhead getting a movie and book deal but that Hollywood is going to try to turn is exploits into a Wedding Crashers redux.

At least the Marquis de Sade had a fucking imagination.

And man, I hope The Fall opens around these parts. Sure it looks a little on the cracktastic side, but darn Lee Pace is foxy roxy.

Can Jennifer Lynch redeem herself from Boxing Helena? Inquiring minds want to know.

'bama, he falls into the same logic trap as every sports gambling tout trying to sell his picks, e.g., "You should pay $50 for my gambling advice because my record predicting games was 10-2 last week!" Dude, if you're such a fucking savant, why are you wasting time talking to people like me about how fantastic you are? The fact the he spends so much time peddling these fantasies speaks volumes about their veracity.

While it may surprise you to learn that I am not, as the kids like to say, a "playa," I've known a few. The last thing you're likely to hear from a gifted Lothario is a sordid, vulgar recounting of exploits . . . doers don't talk, as the saying goes.

I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell is one of the most disgusting pieces of literature I've ever read. Read it I did, though, because my party-boy brother, king of the belly shots and with more than one dark hole where a Saturday evening should be, thought it was revolting. It was pure morbid curiosity on my part.

The saddest part is that I can name five people off the top of my head who would go and see this movie.

Lee Pace? I'm there.
David Lynch's daughter? ...I might be there. We'll have to see.

What? tucker max is still alive? I had heard about this douche years ago...I could've sworn he would have been hunted down and castrated by now. Is he like the tyler perry of misogyny?

Oh come on, if you're not posting that Hellboy review now, tell me you're editing it to include 'mom's basement'.

That's comedy gold right there.

In hopes of persevering the flimsy good mood I have this morning, I am just going to ignore everything written above and pretend instead it says that the CIA discovered movie/TV executives to be the evil pod-people with goals of destroying the human race with mind-numbing "entertainment" that they are, killed them all in woderfully horrific public fashion, re-instated Sports Night, Arrested Development, Firefly and a few choice others to my television, sent Paris Hilton and Micheal Bay in a capsule directly into the sun and for some reason Clive Owen is persistently seeking me out for a date.....

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, thats better

ok, carry on

Bethy, that's what I like to call the Denial Corner, and in it's original incarnation it's "where I'm an independently wealthy world traveler and Heath Ledger is still alive and bringing me a nice cup of tea and some pastries" or something similar.

I love the Denial Corner.

Why is it that every man named Tucker is a complete douchebag?

...my party-boy brother, king of the belly shots and with more than one dark hole where a Saturday evening should be, thought it was revolting.
This line encapsulates everything anyone needs to know about Tucker Max's oeuvre.

...Where'd it go?? Where'd the Hellboy review go? Did I hallucinate that? It was great--and that's coming from an avowed Hellboy fan.

oh Genny, I am very familiar with the Denial Corner, its where I spent all of middle school and most of high school

by the time I graduated I had a lakeside cottage off of Life has to get better than this Drive and a full membership to the country-club (tho in my mind the country club was part art gallery, part theater and mostly pub....)

good times good times

"...sent Paris Hilton and Micheal Bay in a capsule directly into the sun..."

Given NapVag's slutty nature and the tendency for stupid people to survive nature's attempts to kill them off...I think it's dangerous to put these two together for any extended period of time. The Antichrist produced from that union would destroy all movie taste (and life) as we know it. We'd have to start hoarding our Juno and Firefly dvds...in the post-apocalyptic world we'd find ourselves in...and use them as currency, since the movies and shows that would come out in the aftermath would be so vacuous and mind-numbing as to make Idiocracy seem like a heavenly paradise in comparison.

But that's just my opinion...

Shadows, I more more than open to other destruction options for those-who-now-have-kick-ass-Pajiba-nicknames-that-are-much-more-apt-than-thier-actual-names

it is just sunny out here, so sun was on my mind

but now I am thinking sharks......

Why the hate for Tucker Max? It takes two to tango, and he didn't use force on anyone. This resembles the racism of low expectations, the idea that women are too stupid to make their own decisions without becoming "victims" to evil men who take advantage of them. I'm sure most of the women who post here don't orbit the same social scene that Tucker does/did, and wouldn't fall for his "charms" - good for you, it takes all kinds. But apparently there were plenty of women who chose differently. Or maybe some of the anger is because some of you did choose differently in the past, and are confusing regret with victimhood, and personal accountability with blaming the other party.

Lynch's film looks really promising. While I don't really know what the hell is going on in that trailer, it's ominous and that has to be a good thing.

Sorry folks, the Hellboy review was posted a few hours early because I'm an idiot who can't tell military time. It'll be up this afternoon. -- DR

Re: Fucker Ax's "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell."

Wasn't fucking everything in sight already done to death in Shampoo, with Warren Beatty?

Re: Comics being made into movies.

Anyone read Astro City comics? I bet The Confessor (hooded robed monk looking superhero with a big white cross on his chest) and his sidekick Alterboy don't get made into a movie. It would be so wrong on so many levels, and yet so right.

OOps, I mean Altarboy.

Esher, none of us are accusing Tucker Max of a crime, we're just saying he's a reprehensible human being. Just because he can find women who will sleep with him despite his actions doesn't make the way he treats them right. In fact, I don't see real anger in anyone's post on Tucker Max, just a kind of low level disgust and speculation on what our culture's acceptance of him says about our views on how women should be treated. Why are you so quick to defend him when he's not even under attack?

One more thing. The Confessor is also a Vampire.

Why indeed, Genny?

At first I was disgusted by the concept of someone gloating about their sexual exploits like this--obviously not my genre--but then I thought with the Studios trying to bring more women into the theaters, it will be cleaned up as a sweet romantic comedy where everyone lives happily ever after. As a woman, nothing makes me happier that unrealistic situations evolving into romantic comedies where everyone lives happily ever after.

The Fall looks beautiful, and I really want to see it, but of course it won't hit the UK for at least a good couple of years. And then it'll only be in London. I heart international release schedules.

I can't believe NO ONE has commented on the Eddie Murphy comedy Words. Eddie Murphy, the pre-eminent comedic mind of our time....JUST JOKING!!!

Oh, Godtopus, were it only true.....if only, after speaking 1000 more odious, ignorant, ridiculously unfunny lines, dressed as a fat black woman, a skinny Chihuahua, a beaver, the Hoover Dam, and Henry Kissinger, he were to finally expire. And how wonderful if the same fate were to befall Tyler Perry.....

Well, a girl can dream, can't she?

Why the hate for Tucker Max? It takes two to tango

That severely miscasts the issue, Esher, though I also take issue with your basic assumption, i.e., that all the women involved with Tucker Max's tale-telling signed up for having their private sexual activities analyzed and mocked on the internet. Even assuming Max is not authoring fiction, some of the women knew who he was and what they were in for; some of them surely did not. In fact, his most famous story turns largely on the fact that the subject female did not know that her intimate conduct was going to be plastered across a web page later.

But that misses the larger point, which is not about an individual woman or specific sub-group. Max doesn't even name the women involved in most instances -- either for legal reasons or because he is lying, but clearly not out of conscience -- but it doesn't matter, because the damage caused lies in the casual denegration of an entire gender.

I've seen a number of excerpts from Max's material, both on his website and extracted elsewhere, and the overarching, central theme is the commoditization of women's sexuality as a mere consumable for young men, followed inexorably by the public discussion and humiliation of those women. As indicated above, I don't believe 90% of this nonsense even happened, but the point is that many people perceive it not just as true but as an acceptable form of conduct by a man. Whether some sub-set of women voluntarily assist him in this effort doesn't diminish the loathsome disregard for all women on display.

And no one is questioning whether he can do this. Prostitution shouldn't be illegal, but legalizing it wouldn't make the john any less pathetic, no matter that the transaction is consensual. Joe Francis should have the right to do what he does -- liberty demands it -- but that doesn't make him less loathesome.

Or maybe some of the anger is because some of you did choose differently in the past, and are confusing regret with victimhood, and personal accountability with blaming the other party.

Um, really? That's where you want to take this?

This resembles the racism of low expectations.

Paraphrasing George Bush to defeat an argument about misogyny is probably not tactically sound.

"Popeman and Altar Boy!....It could be a whole series!.......with a lot complaints".

Nope, Astro City ain't gonna get a movie, but it is great. I really need to get a few more trades.

Wait, WHAT Hellboy review? Some rough cut screening? Did I slip through time?

twig, I've always had a room upstairs when I've had to come home for post-college temping or grad school or poverty after grad school. Who are these people that get a whole basement to themselves? That's a pad! Not someplace to bring women, but certainly cozy for one (plus it's always cooler down there). Kevin Smith or "Live Free or Die Hard"? That's not a living at home joke, that's a fantasy like the apartments on "Friends".

I can't believe NO ONE has commented on the Eddie Murphy comedy Words.

That's because we're taking a page out of Sarina's book and refusing to acknowledge its presence...thereby reducing its power to incite blind rage in us

So well put Socalled.

Ah, very good SoD. BTW, didn't do the national TV thing...they bumped me. I have written about my experience on my blog.....http://youlookfunny.blogspot.com/

So you can read about it. Got the AWESOME t-shirts from PissBoy later the day I was supposed to be on, so I will have pix of me in that on my blog later today, I hope.

Who are these people that get a whole basement to themselves? That's a pad! Not someplace to bring women, but certainly cozy for one

Jay, I find that by backing my windowless van up to the back door, the basement ends up being a perfect place to bring women. Dark, no windows, sound-muffling, the concrete walls take shackle-bolts well, and no unannounced visitors. Cozy for two! Or more!

Oh, yeah, there's this, too.

http://www.rushvillerepublican.com/homepage/local_story_108102911.html?keyword=leadpicturestory

"Can Jennifer Lynch redeem herself from Boxing Helena? Inquiring minds want to know."

Posted by: Alabamapink

Well, she's had 15 years to think about everything that she did wrong. From the Surveillance trailer, it looks like she's made some headway. I'm cautiously optimistic. As a fanboy side note, I'll absolutely squee if Sherilyn Fenn walks through a scene, turns to the camera and raises an eyebrow.

The Fall looks absolutely stunning. I'll go see it just for the cinematography.

Good show, socalled.

Jay,

Ironically, my brother, the non-dork, was the one in the parent's basement when we both returned home for a period of... um, restructuring. I took the attic. Kept my comics nice and safe when the whole thing flooded out.

But if you're going to put Required Fanboy Insult #1 "Doritos, Cheetos and other cheesy snacks" in a review, you might as well add "Parent's Basement" just to round things out. Maybe something about how much they masturbate and someday wish to touch a real boobie.

The review is stock-standard. Just cobble together everything Dustin's ever said about nerds (seriously, there seems to be an underlying fanboy-hatred issue here - can you show me on the doll where the fanboy touched you?) and add some wide potshots that don't actually seem to apply to anyone on Pajiba (I don't think Hellboy is quite the sacred cow he thinks it is) and there it is.

Kind of disappointing. I like coming to Pajiba to be insulted in new and different ways.

Tucker Max needs to be stripped, hog-tied
with his butt greased and tossed into the
exercise yard at Attica. That will give him
an experience worth writing about.

The Fall, so pretty, Lee Pace -- gonna
have to check it out.

Paraphrasing George Bush to defeat an argument about misogyny is probably not tactically sound.

Can I get this on a bumper sticker?

I read I Hope They Serve Beer because I had a college roommate that I suspected might *be* Tucker Max from the blurb on the back. I had my very own macho male trainwreck to goggle at and tell cautionary tales about. But alas, the dates don't line up, and my former roomie wasn't half as clueless as TM.

I'm guessing they'll be cutting all the diarrhea scenes from the movie, though. I wonder if it'll stretch to 90 minutes without them?

Now I'm morbidly curious to read I Hope They Serve Beer. I won't though, the whole "bitches are just holes to stick my dick in" mentality makes me so stabby.

Oh. Damn. I was much happier a few minutes ago, before I'd heard of Tucker Max.

Gah! What are people thinking? Who considers screwing this sub-person a good idea? Who finds his kind of writing enjoyable?? Wha... wha... why??? Ohh, I am so glad I don't have to raise children in this F-ed up society. I'm so glad my parents and my husband's parents raised us to not be these kinds of people.

*sigh*

Hey Socalled, thanks for that beautiful reply to Esher. I'm too disheartened to put enough thought in to compose anything so eloquent without totally bumming myself out. Time to put on some nice, distracting tunes and go back to work for a while...

I'm guessing they'll be cutting all the diarrhea scenes from the movie, though.

Funny thing is, Max actually has a modicum of talent for writing humor. I'm not such a pinch-mouthed prude that I can't admit that some of his stuff is laugh-out-loud funny. That doesn't save the bulk of it, nor does it redeem the foul creature writing it -- the diarrhea story involves having his male friend hide in the closet and videotape Max having anal sex with, you guessed it, a young woman. The telling of it contains some pretty riotous lines, but in the end . . . well, he's writing about secretly videotaping himself buttfucking a drunk girl. Congratulations, dude, you tricked someone with the mental acuity of a lampshade, then made fun of her about it.

Now I'm morbidly curious to read I Hope They Serve Beer. I won't though, the whole "bitches are just holes to stick my dick in" mentality makes me so stabby.

I'm volunteering you to go to his book signing

My ex-boy (complete douchnizzle) owned Tucker's book...and kept it next to the toilet. While that should have been strike one and two, he was also growing his own 'herb garden' at the time, if you smell what i'm cooking...

Hey- Momma always said I knew how to pick em!

Oh I'll go Shadows, I'll go and get all I Spit on Your Grave on his ass.

P.S. If you have never seen that movie, DON'T. Guh.

Well then,

I'll have you know I like my tortilla chips made with nothing but salt on them.

I will decide what, when and if cheese will be added to the mixture.

Cheetos....that's dork food.

I like a good Cheeto. They're fantasically crunchy and make me feel 12 again...meaning they make me in love with Jonathan Brandis and flat-chested.

But Julie, if you're no longer flat-chested, then how is that you can't taste your own nipple? (Not that you would know.)

"...San Antonio's own Jared Padalecki..."

San Antonio? Oh dear - does that mean some asshole from Texas might pitch a Manos: The Hands of Fate remake?

...meaning they make me in love with Jonathan Brandis and flat-chested.

Ah, the marvel that was Seaquest. Just the memory is making me sunshiny and happy (and totally erasing all thought of TM - although, I too am becoming morbidly curious about this book, even though it would probably just serve to make me angry if I read it).

Hee! Well, they're probably big enough now, if I contort myself in just the right...

Ahem. I refuse to dignify that question with a response.

I Spit on Your Grave is awesome in all it's exploitative, 70's crazy pubic hair glory.

Everyone should experience it, at least once.

Socalled:

Despite the fact that you have dumped me for the Spambot, your arguments vs. Esher are once more love-inducing. However, it's also worrisome that you seem to have more than a passing familiarity with this Tucker turd's work. Tell me it's because you had to sue him for a client or something, please.

Hee, 'Bama, that movie disturbed me in ways that I thought weren't possible with my warped mind. I can not handle 45 minutes of gang rape, no matter how castratey she gets in the end :p

Pea, my love of Jonathan Brandis stemmed from Ladybugs. I will STILL watch it if it's on tv.

And I bolded that on purpose dammit, on purpose!

"castratey"? hmmmmmmmm...

nope, nope. still not worth it.

Hee! Well, they're probably big enough now, if I contort myself in just the right...

Mmmm....pleasant thoughts....

Ladybugs was okay, I guess. But Brandis will always be the Wesley of SeaQuest for me.

And I am now morbidly curious about I Spit On Your Grave...

it's also worrisome that you seem to have more than a passing familiarity with this Tucker turd's work.

I read about him on another site where people were discussing his merits or lack thereof, and curiosity and boredom took me to his site to check out more material. If someone is sufficiently hilarious, I will overlook some unpleasantness, resulting in a passing familiarity with some unsavory elements on the interwebs. As funny as TM can be, his gargantuan, self-satisfied, unquestioning, malicious assholishness far outweighs the mild amount of humor to be derived from some of the stuff he writes at the expense of other shitheads.

Plus, he's truly a one-trick pony -- it's the same joke over and over again, and once you've laughed at it, it's really not that funny 10,000 more times.

I don't believe in Tucker Max. Also, per Shadows' suggestion, I no longer believe in Eddie Murphy. He's been pushing it for years, and now he's done. DONE.

I Spit On Your Grave is best remembered, by me, at least for the bathtub scene. Ah, the joys of misspent youth, watching every cheap crappy video we could get our hands on. Another diversion, perhaps? Worst/best cheap explotation goober flick you watched as a idiotic teen?

Worst/best cheap explotation goober flick you watched as a idiotic teen?

You want I should start singing the songs from "Cinderella"?

*raises hand* I... do?

But you have to dance too, Jay.

*claps hands* please, Jay, please?d

he's truly a one-trick pony -- it's the same joke over and over again, and once you've laughed at it, it's really not that funny 10,000 more times.

Oh my God...he's the proto-Dane Cook!?

Jerce, I think they must spore. One of them blooms off like, a thousand little replicates, each of them unique and fully loathesome from creation.

Well, there's always

Shove it in your Gucci sack and load it on the back of your two zebraaaas

My stash of ladies underwear even includes a pair of double-D braaaas (they're for the zebras!)

At everything in life I'm inept soooooo I guess I'll spend my days as a kleptoooo

Grab it! And shove it in your sack cause it's a liiiving! Uh Huh!

(it really is the best song in the movie.)

I fell in love with Jonathan Brandis in The Neverending Story II. Shut it. Bastian Bux love 4eva!

Poor Jonathan Brandis, it was sad when he died. Loved him in SeaQuest and that movie with Chuck Norris.

*applauds Jay*

Twig, I believe you are referring to that piece of celluloid genius known as Sidekicks?

Me and Jonathan Brandis have the same birthday...I thought that indicated that we were meant to be. :(

"At least the Marquis de Sade had a fucking imagination"

Oh, AlabamaPink, I love you. I nearly spat on the computer screen, yet again.

Watching Sidekicks in the theater was so ridiculously awesome that my monocle fell out.

The reality of Tucker Max, and something that a lot of people hate to admit, is that he isn't really that far off the main stream. The guy is revered in Frat Houses and colleges across the nation. He is the hard-partying college student that everyone knows, only cranked up a few notches. I think the problem I have with everyone who rips him apart is simply that he doesn't name the women in the stories, so he is hardly doing them any major disservice (with one obviously notable exception, as it is his most famous story). It'd be impossible for any of his readers or his core audience to even know who the women are, making a lot of the complaints about him pointless. They're just stories. More importantly, the women he sleeps with have made a choice to do so. Its not as if they couldn't simply say "no." He doesn't degrade the women, the women degrade themselves. If anything, your venom should be directed at the women who are willing to sleep with him, as they are the ones who make it clear to most men that women really are attracted to assholes.

but it doesn't matter, because the damage caused lies in the casual denegration of an entire gender

I disagree with this point, in as much as there are women out there who enjoy sex just as much as men. I am sure there are women who have had just as much sex as Tucker Max, and I am just as sure that there are women who have treated men just as shitty as Tucker has treated some women. For every womanizing frat boy, there is a sorority chick who wants to have sex just as badly. Your post makes me think that you, somehow, think Tucker drugged/tricked these women (or made them up). To think that what he does somehow represses women seems to, in fact, only repress women more, in as much as it seems to deny that women have a mind of their own, and can make their own decisions, including whether or not to fuck the loud-mouth asshole at the party. Reading his stories, its not like he makes it a secret that he is a total asshole to the women he dates. He usually seems pretty straight forward about being a dick, and yet women still fuck him, and it is THEIR choice. I am sure there are women out there with funny stories about treating guys like shit, and the guys still are willing to have sex with them. The only difference is that Tucker had the writing ability to get his stories out there.

Oddly enough, Astro City was in preproduction for a while, but it's dropped off the radar. Ben Barenholtz was supposed to produce.

He doesn't degrade the women, the women degrade themselves. If anything, your venom should be directed at the women who are willing to sleep with him, as they are the ones who make it clear to most men that women really are attracted to assholes.

First, you're assuming something about TM's writing that is not true: that he limits his negative, derogatory remarks about women to those that sleep with him, whether fact or fiction. In fact, just about every woman he "meets" is subjected to some kind of negative commentary in his writing -- the favorably treated women in his material are few and far between.

As for the ones that supposedly do fuck him, your assertion is that they degrade themselves through his writing about the disposable, good-for-only-one-thing gender that is women. No. They may degrade themselves with bad judgment in whom they sleep with, but Tucker Max takes that behavior and generalizes about all women. I've read this stuff myself -- it's not limited in the way you say, not that it matters.

It's also important to note that I think you're asking me to direct my "venom" at an almost entirely fictional group of people, which only points up the problem: I think TM's stories are mostly bullshit to support a framework of misogynistic commentary. And I'm pretty sure my posts were clear that if women are choosing this path, I have no sympathy for them unless he does something that no reasonable person would expect, beyond just being an asshole to them . . . um . . . oh, yeah, like writing about it on the internet. It's true, as you say, that he doesn't name them, which goes back to the basic point: Guys like Tucker Max are bad guys because this is the behavior they bring to all women, not just a few.

Beyond TM's sad little corona, you cannot possibly believe that TM's readers, the groups you identified, restrict their derogatory conduct to girls who choose to have sex with them. I have yet to meet the man, young or old, that acts like an asshole to the women he sluts around with, then turns into Mr. Peaceful Co-Existence with his female acquaintances, co-workers, etc. Most of these jackasses are probably lucky if they have sex once a month. I'm pretty sure they're not penning up all their anger at women and holding it for that one person.

Bottom line: I don't get your argument, because you seem to acknowledge that TM is an asshole. I'm suggesting calling him what he is: a fucking shithead who hates women. Do you disagree that Tucker Max is a fucking shithead who hates women? I don't disagree with you that any woman who sleeps with him is a fucking idiot. Any woman who looks at him and doesn't immediately kick him in the balls is a fucking idiot.

Ooh...ooh....socalled...I think Tucker Max is a fucking shithead who hates women!

I know, SoD, I know. It's okay, bad man go away.

My TM-alike roomie definitely classed women into two categories: do-able and NOT. I fell into the NOT, which was perfectly fine by me, as I just didn't see the raw sexual magnetism that seemed to hypnotize so many other girls. He *did* treat the two categories differently. He was respectful and pleasant to me and any of my NOT-category friends. He even chose to be around us frequently.

Some of the girls he "dated" were otherwise nice, pretty, etc., but every single one of them had the self-esteem of a "Cathy" cartoon. There was one girl who would drive in from the Big City to sleep with him. He actually told her, point blank, we can screw, but my friends can never see you. She wasn't pretty enough to be seen in public with him.

It was weird. Really weird. I've never known anyone else who was so openly piggish about their sex life.

I don't deny that he is an asshole. I think saying he hates women is somewhat misleading, however.

Having read his stories, I find that he isn't just an asshole to women. He is an asshole to everyone, men and women alike. I don't feel his drunkin asshole venom is directed only at women, but rather at women, men, and anyone who isn't Tucker Max or a close friend of Tucker Max. That is my point. I'm pretty sure that if I were in a bar with Tucker Max, he'd insult me and try to fuck my wife. He is an asshole, thats what he does, regardless of whether or not I have a vagina.

The other thing is I haven't really seen him generalize about all women. In fact, I can recall reading some things he has written where he talks about women he respects, likes, and is friends with without actually fucking them. Here is where I have to admit being a member of his forums, and occasionally posting there, as they tend to have some good/funny story threads. In my time reading, I've seen him acknowledge that he has female friends he doesn't fuck, and that he respects and doesn't treat like shit. "But D," you might say, "Isn't that like the racist saying 'I'm not racist, I have Black friends!'" Well, I suppose its how you look at it.

My personal opinion is one of 'live and let live.' If he wants to be an asshole and insult people, fine, knock yourself out. If women want to degrade themselves to fuck him, thats their choice. If men want to look up to him (see: any frat in the United States), be my guest. I always have the choice to leave a party if I see the drunkin fuckwit insulting everyone and making himself the center of attention. I have the choice of leaving before I become part of one of his stories, because if you think Tucker Max is the only drunk asshole who tells stories to friends of their drunkin exploits, you're wrong, just like there are drunkin females who like to go out and pick up guys, and then gossip about it with their girlfriends. Its life, and quite frankly, it is the vast majority of college life at a major university.

My main point boils down to this: Tucker Max is an asshole to pretty much EVERYONE in his stories, and in my personal opinion, he doesn't pick on random women any more than he picks on men, except that he writes about who he fucks, and he isn't gay, so he doesn't write about men as much. If he were gay, he'd probably have stories about how guys can be sluts and bitches, too. If Tucker Max is a misogynistic asshole, then so is any guy who has ever fucked a girl and talked to his friends about it in a negative manner. Conversely, every woman who fucked a guy and then turned around and told a funny story at his expense is just as bad. He just strikes me as more of an equal opportunity asshole than an "I only insult females" asshole.

D26: Point taken. We still disagree, as I think he commodotizes women as simple penis-receptacles and demeans them as objects of scorn to a much greater degree than men, but point taken.

Can we agree that anyone who sees him should kick him square in the nuts? I'll do my part.

I can't say I'd kick him in the nuts. I don't think he is the kind of guy I'd hang out with, and if he happened to enter a bar I was in and started his act, I'd likely just shrug and leave. I do find some of his stories quite funny, and think he does have writing talent. I guess, to me, I read his stuff because it is almost the polar opposite of my own life, and it reassures me that I didn't miss much.

How bout just mocking him from across the room with a bunch of my friends, laughing at his assholish dancing and taking smack about the girl who'll inevitably start dry-humping him?

With lots of liquor, of course.

Wait.
"More importantly, the women he sleeps with have made a choice to do so. Its not as if they couldn't simply say "no." He doesn't degrade the women, the women degrade themselves. If anything, your venom should be directed at the women who are willing to sleep with him, as they are the ones who make it clear to most men that women really are attracted to assholes."

How is secretly taping someone not tricking them? She may have made the choice to sleep with him, but most certainly did not make the choice to have his friend hide in a closet.
And why should people be punished for stupidity? It's OK to lie and use people if they are too dumb to figure it out?

socalled, I'll kick him in the nards with ya.

D26, "If anything, your venom should be directed at the women who are willing to sleep with him, as they are the ones who make it clear to most men that women really are attracted to assholes." There it is. You are yourself taking a small (and in all likelihood imaginary) population and extrapolating it to "most women." Hence the problem. Do you see what I mean? I'm hungover and at work, so i may not be as clear as I'd like.

We'll also spray your pepper spray on him, isabelle, then grease him up and drop him off down by the warehouses. D26 has presented a rational contra understanding, and while I disagree with him largely for the reasons you outlined, it's a good discussion. Pajiba seems to have emerged from the Superbad and Knocked Up debacle with a stronger fortitude for calm discussion.

I would totally contribute my own couple paragraphs about the pros and cons of Tucker FUCKING Max, if it wasn't for the fact that the Avalanche are kicking so much ass right now that I can't think straight. But seriously, are we really talking about this? I'm all for a good discussion about random crap, but it seems like we could have solved the worldwide over-population problem by now (I think the 3/4 kid per person idea is the best. Once married, sell the extra half, or buy one to have another kid).

Sorry. Again, I'm not thinking so well right now.

The Fall looks cool. Telling stories so a kid will bring you drugs is an interesting idea. Will there be pie?

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