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The TV/Movie Litmus Test

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We all love movies and TV. And with that love (and hate) of specific films and shows comes a true passion such that these things deeply resonate with us to the point that we wind up using TV and movies to judge others. We’re not talking about something general here, like the idea that you generically know someone has good taste in television shows if they say they like “The Wire” or “Arrested Development.” That doesn’t cut to the heart of it. Rather, there are certain things we love or hate, and when we find out what someone else’s opinion is on that show or movie, we instantly know all that we need to know about that person, fundamentally. This is deeply subjective, of course, but for each of us, the following movies and TV shows serve this purpose. You admit you love or hate these, and we know everything we need to know about you. We know if we’re going to love you forever, or wish you dead. We’ll either invite you to drinks and try to bed you, or punch you in the stomach and wish you good day. Because these serve as our litmus test for humanity.

Almost Famous: We’ve been over this film so many times with you people that I almost didn’t choose it. The last thing I want to do is beat a dead horse. But to choose anything else would be dishonest. This is, bar none, my favorite film. It picks me up when I’m upset. It brings me back down to earth when I’m too giddy. It is, to me, a slice of cinematic perfection. Based on Cameron Crowe’s own experience as a precocious yet isolated teenager, every shot, every line is drenched in a sweet nostalgia and authentic emotion. And if you don’t get that, if you can’t feel the strong emotional tug, the perfect encapsulation of a bygone era, and, above all else, the lonely frustrating struggle of the “uncool,” then you and I, my friend, will never truly see eye to eye. Because this film? This film is my most valued currency in this bankrupt world and it will always make me sad that I can’t share it with you. —Joanna Robinson



“Battle of the Network Stars”: When I think of the “Battle of the Network Stars” I think of the drunken uncle I never had but always knew I needed. Watching it is like flipping through a copy of a vintage Playboy magazine. The show was a glimpse into an adult world that was a boozy, grab-ass of casual, almost benevolent bigotry. Certain of their limitless horizons, egomaniac celebrities ran about in mismatched uniforms with ironed-on names on their backs, revealing themselves physically incompetent yet still ridiculously proud. The show, which pitted the three main TV networks of the day against one another in a kind of co-ed team decathlon for the horny, ran from 1976 to 1988, and it was the sort of production that only an optimistic and ascendant nation could have produced. It was just like a show designed by the imagination of a child, a recreation of grade-seven gym class only with the understood certainty of sex. It was exactly the sort of life I wanted to live as an adult. When I meet somebody who understands this I feel an immediate fealty, and together we can travel in time returning to the fields of glory where Gabe Kaplan sprinted past Robert Conrad, where Lynda Carter wore a clingy, wet bathing suit and the future promised nothing but sex, sun and games. —Michael Murray



Big Trouble in Little China: I’m gonna tell you a story, and I don’t wanna hear “act of God”: Years ago, when I first started writing for ye olde Pajiba, I went to South by Southwest and met some of my co-writers for the first time. That first drunken day, I was wearing my Wing Kong Exchange t-shirt, and upon meeting Prisco, he immediately said, “I love that you’re wearing that shirt.” And thus, our kinship was born. Big Trouble In Little China is the movie that I measure people by, I admit. It’s not the people who like it — most rational people like the movie. It’s the people who love it, who see it for the true genius it is. Those who get that it’s more than just a send-up of buddy action movies and chop socky flicks, but something… else. Something special. The people who realize that in reality, as hilarious as Jack Burton is, he’s not the real star of the movie, but rather simply along for the ride. The people who love it for all of its scars and blemishes, who see past the cheese and understand the true brilliance. Those people? Those people go to the top of my cool list. There’s those who recognize Big Trouble In Little China as one of the finest cinematic achievements of all time — and then there’s the rest of you pukes. May you suffer forever in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces. —TK



“Californication”: Yes, this show is essentially a narcissistic exploration of David Duchovny’s Hank Moody character, who is pretty much a hedonistic version of everything that Fox Mulder would ever want to be. Still, anyone who can’t look past all of the surface sexual antics and recognize that this is a very rare adult comedy, well, I can’t be bothered with those people. Duchovny shines as the tortured writer who can’t help screwing up everything he touches, and the supporting cast is just excellent in their roles as Hank’s barometers. Even more than that though, the show has a very human element and doesn’t shy away from the consequences of Hank’s free-swinging lifestyle. A continuously rotating crop of offbeat guest stars like Rick Springfield (as himself) and Kathleen Turner keep the stories fresh and about much more than just Hank Moody getting laid with the latest random chick. While the show contains many dark, depressing moments, what I like best are the dinner parties, which occur once or twice per season and are the most unintentionally outlandish, craziest dinner parties ever. Just to illustrate the absurdity within, here’s a clip of a season 5 dinner party, which is obviously NSFW and features Carla Gugino (Va Va Voom!) and Rob Lowe (in his Hank Moody costume). —Agent Bedhead



“Clone High”: A big part of knowing if you’ll get along with someone is knowing you like the same types of jokes. Comedy’s fascinating because it’s all about finding the million different ways to elicit the same response: the pure laugh. That shared love for certain comedies can be a bond like no other, and when you find someone else who likes the same humor you do, the discovery comes with a feeling of “This person is as crazy as I am. This is gonna work out.” Case in point: I love Bill Lawrence’s short-lived, little-seen animated comedy “Clone High,” which aired for one short season of 13 episodes in 2002-03. It’s ridiculously high-concept: the show is a tongue-in-cheek parody of late-’90s teen dramas, and the plot revolves around a group of teenaged clones of famous historical figures (Abraham Lincoln, Cleopatra, JFK, etc.) who were grown in a lab by a shadowy government organization who wants to eventually harness the powers of history’s biggest movers and shakers. The high school is just a set-up, and the principal is a government liaison. The voice cast is stacked with Lawrence favorites (such as Christa Miller and Donald Faison), and the show is just so ridiculous, funny and quotable that I feel like watching it has made me a member in an underground club. When I meet someone else who likes the show, I know instantly that we’re going to get along, and that we’re going to share a lot of the same influences and ideas when it comes to comedy. If you haven’t checked out the show already, do it now. —Daniel Carlson



“Family Guy”: I’ll admit to finding the first couple of years of “Family Guy” funny and worth checking out after “The Simpsons,” but I always found it derivative and without any of the character development its forebear used to give the jokes context and meaning. By the time it came back to Fox, after being rightly canceled by (and then wrongly resurrected by Adult Swim), I just couldn’t laugh at the show’s primary form of joke telling: the cut-away gag. Because “Family Guy” doesn’t write jokes, it just makes references and expect that to be enough. If you think Conway Twitty singing an entire song in lieu of any actual writing is the height of hilarity, you are a terrible person and should be ashamed for rewarding that level of creative laziness. But the boys over at “South Park” took Seth MacFarlane and “Family Guy” down far more exquisitely than I ever could. —Rob Payne



Jay Leno: This is not a theoretical litmus test for me. In college, I actually broke up with someone for professing a preference for Jay Leno over David Letterman. It’s not that I need anyone to prefer Letterman, or Fallon, or Jon Stewart, or Conan. It’s that, if you like Leno — or even if you don’t overtly dislike him — then there’s almost certainly no common ground. We will never laugh at the same jokes, at the same movies, or at the same television shows because anyone that expresses anything but outright disdain for Jay Leno probably doesn’t posses a functioning sense of humor. He is a cancer to comedy. Leno is not for people who want to turn their brains off after a long day of work; Leno is for people biologically incapable of turning their brain on. Leno fans are meatsacks and geriatrics. Soft-brained red-staters whose idea of subversiveness is watching CNN occasionally to get an idea of the “nutjob liberal perspective.” Show me a Leno fan, and I’ll show you incontrovertible proof that there’s no such thing as evolution. — Dustin Rowles (also, ditto Joana’s pick)



“Jersey Shore”: Growing up, we used to refer to the entire state of Jersey as “The Shore” because, as Pennsylvanians, it was our beach, and that’s the only part of Jersey that mattered. Everything else was big hairsprayed hair, denim, chemical waste, and landfills. And like some sort of Godzilla rising from the dirty deep has come the cultural phenomenon of “Jersey Shore,” spawned out of the subculture of the party whores — your Kardashians, your Hiltons, your Lohans — young people with no marketable skills spending their time being vapid and fucking and drinking. Except “Jersey Shore” is worse. It’s built an entire mecca out of these plastic orange lifesized Bratz dolls, completely ignorant human beings who just spout racist, sexist and homophobic banter. They’ve gone beyond douchebag into a new realm of impossible. They take pride in being awful, they take pride in knowing that they are shallow and mindless and worthless. But as a culture, we’ve allowed it. It’s a dangerous thing. If you watch the “Jersey Shore” because you want to be like them, you deserve to be chemically castrated. If you watch it because you know they’re awful and want to laugh at them, you’re worse. Bearbating and dogfighting and cockfighting are all entertainments too, watching dumb animals hurt each other for profit, and you maniacs cry when a fake animal gets murdered on camera. That you know these are bad people and you give them money by participating in their antics makes you worse. So the next time some greased up gymrat spills his Bacardi on you while he’s trying to see if you’re DTF? You made this happen. —Brian Prisco



My Blue Heaven: My Blue Heaven is one of those comedies that sneaks up on you. The first time you watch it, it’s little more than kinda amusing. But if you stick with it, it just gets better and better with each subsequent viewing. You begin to fall in love with each and every nuance of Steve Martin’s characterization of Vinnie. The jokes get funnier and funnier, and the movie becomes more and more quotable. By 1997, I absolutely adored this movie, and it was then that it also became my litmus test, the easiest way for me to find out everything I really need to know about a person. A woman thirty years my senior, a college professor who I absolutely adored, was starting to become a friend of mine. One day, she overheard a conversation I was having with my then-girlfriend, an argument about the merits of My Blue Heaven. This professor butted in and said, “I love that movie.” My then-girlfriend hated it. Many years later, that college professor remains a close friend, and I probably trust no opinion more than hers, while the then-girlfriend is now just a then. In the years since, I have found without fail that if someone declares a love for My Blue Heaven, we get along absolutely splendidly. The inverse isn’t necessarily true — I have remained friends with people who don’t have a love for the film, but I don’t trust them. Not deep down. And I never will. —Seth Freilich

(I wanted to embed the clip of Vinnie explaining why there was a swordfish in the trunk of his stolen car, because this scene is splendid. But embedding’s been disabled. So I’ll give you this one instead.)



Muriel’s Wedding: I can’t say that I’d ever dislike a person based on his movie preferences — might be disappointed maybe, but not filled with write-you-off disgust. I would, however, certainly be drawn to someone with similarly peculiar tastes. I also have a sappy side and love rooting for the underdog, and from the moment Muriel’s Wedding began, I was in love. Poor Muriel (Toni Collette) is an utter mess of girl, both inside and out, but there’s something so freaky-charming about her awkward ways and complete lack of awareness. As shabby and poorly named as her hometown (Porpoise Spit), still living with her miserable family and ostracized by the popular girls, Muriel wiles away her days listening to ABBA and dreaming of a man and a veil. As she stumbles her way toward breaking free, Muriel joins forces with her fairy-godfriend, Rhonda (Rachel Griffiths), and the girls transform their lives, albeit not exactly according to their fantasies. With moments that remind me of my own teenaged travails, the film is carried along by the perfectly cast Collette and Griffiths and an oddly appropriate soundtrack. Muriel’s Wedding always makes me laugh and cry and wince and cheer, and I know if you like it, you’re my kind of people. —Cindy Davis



“Mystery Science Theater 3000”: Like Rob Gordon once said, “What really matters is what you like, not what you are like.” And, while I have felt many quick kinships formed over shared tastes, none are quite as strong as the bond formed between MSTie and MSTie. What makes “Mystery Science Theater 3000” so wonderful, what makes its fans so wonderful, is that there only exists two camps: the mildly involved observer (not to be confused with this Observer), and the crazed superfan. And we, the crazed superfans, might as well just grab our sleeping bags and have a damn slumber party, because we’re all halfway to being best friends. We might not have anything else in common, sharing only this one shaded spot on the Venn diagrams of our brains, but it’s enough. We know by heart whole passages of the Amazing Colossal Episode Guide, we know the true meaning of Turkey Day and we know to never EVER discuss the issue of Joel vs. Mike (seriously, if someone poses the question, they’re not a real fan). And experience has taught me that, sometimes, that’s all you need. If you’re an MST3K fan, you’re okay by me. *makes OK sign, waits to see what wonderful people respond “IT STINKS”* —Courtney Enlow



The Princess Bride: There have been gallons of words spilled on why The Princess Bride is a wonderful film. It’s a perfect combination of romance, adventure, and comedy. But what makes it a litmus test of people is something a little different. People can differ on the merits of great film, but those who differ on The Princess Bride are members of different tribes. It’s the sheer joy and wonder embedded in every scene of the film. If you like this movie, then you’re the sort who can stare off into the distance and grin. If you don’t, there’s something of the fundamental human condition missing in your essence, you’re missing that ember of childhood that we must keep kindled, lest life deteriorate into mere survival. —Steven Lloyd Wilson



“The Venture Brothers”: Loving “The Venture Brothers” isn’t a prerequisite to being my friend but it is a good litmus test for whether or not you’re going to understand my sense of humor. A sense of humor that involves enjoying things literally rather than ironically, a mix of sarcasm and broad humor, and the paragon of humanity that is Brock Sampson. Of course, as with almost all geek-oriented shows there’s a line; if you love the show and can quote it with abandon we’ll have lots of fun. If you love the show, quote it constantly, spend multiple weekends a year cosplaying a character from the show, and want to get tattoos memorializing those characters … we can still get along, just in much smaller doses. —Genevieve Burgess









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Comments

Anyone I meet that responds appropriately to the phrase "Zap Rowsdower" is a friend for life.

Posted by: courtsinsession at February 1, 2012 3:46 PM

Murray and Enlow win.

I believe they're both already married.

Fits with the *rest* of my day!

Posted by: Jay at February 1, 2012 3:48 PM

Oh, My Blue Heaven. Just remembering he sheer joy of Bill Irwin's dance sequence is enough to bring a smile to my face, even though it's easily been 10 years since I've seen it.

Posted by: Sara Tonin at February 1, 2012 3:48 PM

So to whom should I pander today?

Hank: I am the Bat.
Doc: Yes, yes. You're THE BAT. And the Bat is the reason why we didn't take Best Group Costume... again! Last year, it was Dorothy, the Scarecrow, the Cowardly Lion, and the Bat! Oh, and how about the time we were the hard-rocking quartet of Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley, and the Bat?!
Hank: The night is mine.

Though in fairness to Hank, the Bat and the Cat aren't all that far off.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at February 1, 2012 3:49 PM

I really should've known an ex was an awful person after her distinctly lukewarm reaction to The Princess Bride but I was blinded to many things at that time.

Stupid stupid penis.

I'm pretty sure hating Love Actually and loving The Apartment are my current unreasonably weighted cultural judgement points.
Knowing the original soul version of Tainted Love was a 'ok now I really like you' moment.

Must love Community - I think that's going to be necessary.

Posted by: PyD at February 1, 2012 3:50 PM

What did you think of this week's CALIFORNICATION, and it's dinner party? I personally thought it seemed like they just set up a camera and let them talk. Not a real script. And it was by far the best part of the season so far.

Posted by: Sean at February 1, 2012 3:52 PM

I find people that don't like Parks and Recreation to be ignorant and people who don't like Community to be insipid. But people who tell me they don't like either but still love The Office?

To me, it's like saying you prefer masturbation to real sex. Yeah, maybe when I was sixteen I could see that making sense, but that's because I wasn't aware of the Ark-of-the-Covenant powers of a woman's magic trifecta. Seriously, put away the Kleenex and get into some Poehler and McHale, people.

Posted by: ChristianH at February 1, 2012 3:55 PM

It's a vegetable.

I think my litmus is Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. It's so interesting and clever and if you don't like it, well, we can still be friends but I'm going to wonder how many times you've been kicked in the head by a donkey.

And I shall be adding Clone High to my queue RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: Julie at February 1, 2012 3:55 PM

There's nothing in the rule book that says a giraffe can't play football!

Reason #51235 why I read every word Daniel Carlson writes.

Posted by: Chris at February 1, 2012 3:57 PM

(The last bit of my above comment is also what I say to psyche myself up when I try making love at my wife)

Posted by: ChristianH at February 1, 2012 3:59 PM

O honey that Leno HateOn you have? Bring it to me big boy. I hate that guy and I have a total boner for anyone who hates him too. And I'm a chick! So ...you know I mean big bad business.

Posted by: klingonfree at February 1, 2012 4:00 PM

It might be Scott Pilgrim for me. The movie isn't perfect and I'll probably hate it when I finally grow up but it just syncs up with my brain now and feels right.
And I am the terrible human who doesn't like MST3K.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at February 1, 2012 4:04 PM

I see your list and raise you Sealab 2021. Bizarro!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ROXLtorwY

Posted by: thejodester at February 1, 2012 4:06 PM

" Leno is not for people who want to turn their brains off after a long day of work; Leno is for people biologically incapable of turning their brain on. Leno fans are meatsacks and geriatrics. Soft-brained red-staters whose idea of subversiveness is watching CNN occasionally to get an idea of the “nutjob liberal perspective.” Show me a Leno fan, and I’ll show you incontrovertible proof that there’s no such thing as evolution"
Dustin, I love you! that's the perfect summary of everything I think about Leno.

Posted by: sarah at February 1, 2012 4:09 PM

Anyone who refers to Big Trouble in Little China as "genius" should be blasted in the genitals with a shotgun full of sulfuric acid-soaked nails and rock salt.

Posted by: Juicy Weatherbee at February 1, 2012 4:11 PM

Julie, can we be friends?

Honestly, as many disputes as my best friend and I have had over the years (including 3 hours of near knockdown drag-out over pro-choice/anti-choice) I think the real reason we've continued to be close is because he introduced me to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that act in and of itself can overcome all manner of sins.

Posted by: Tori at February 1, 2012 4:11 PM

"If you like this movie, then you’re the sort who can stare off into the distance and grin"

That might be my favourite thing I've ever read on this site. This just resonates with me and I absolutely agree.

I can't even deal with the rest of this list and I'm variously reeling/realising how madly in love with some of you I am.

Posted by: Nadine at February 1, 2012 4:14 PM

Definitely love MST3K. I wish they would come out with a giant box set of every episode.

I used to watch Battle of the Network Stars like it was the Olympics. "C'mon NBC you can't let ABC win!"

I absolutely loathe all reality tv shows without exception. They're the reason networks can jerk around shows like Community. They're the reason a network can cancel a Firefly and not think twice.

Posted by: John W at February 1, 2012 4:15 PM

Lynda Carter, Loni Anderson and Adrienne Barbeau in sheer, wet Lycra swimsuits. I loved this show!!!

Posted by: The Mutt at February 1, 2012 4:22 PM

Clone High! Hell I don't even care if people like the show, I am just impressed when anyone has actually heard of it. I loved that show....Ghandi's rap was awesome, I still sing the makeover song!
Definitely Princess Bride, I walked down the aisle to the music at my wedding, if you don't like it we really can't be friends. Like truly, epically can't be friends.

Posted by: Nimue at February 1, 2012 4:25 PM

So, Rowsdower, is that, like, a stupid name?

Also Rob Payne is my new hero just because he referenced the Conway Twitty scene. That is the exact scene I use when I express how much I loathe Family Guy.

Posted by: AngelArm45 at February 1, 2012 4:32 PM

I agree with so many on this list, but I am hesitant to lay down a litmus test. I think there are exceptions to any rule, and just because you don't think Best in Show is excellence on every level does not mean we can't...but well, we could never, I mean...you know. Just...no. Sorry.

But I can say with absolute solemnity that if you don't think the character of Dwight Schrute (NOT the series The Office by any means) is not one of the most memorable and unique characters in TV Land, then you are missing a soul.

Posted by: klingonfree at February 1, 2012 4:34 PM

My hate-test is Swingers. If you liked Swingers, you are a horrible person and I don't want to know you.

Posted by: Skyler Durden at February 1, 2012 4:39 PM

For Comedy its the South Park Movie and Team America, and I'm not even a fanatic SouthPark watcher. I just find that if you don't think these two movies are f**king hilarious or if you say "I just don't get it" then we don't share the same sense of humor. I'll let it slide if you haven't seen it but if you don't like it..

For drama its Life is Beautiful. I can't even put into words what this movie did to me the first time I saw it. I was stunned. And if you don't like it then well you pretty much suck at life.

Posted by: jjrox at February 1, 2012 4:39 PM

Big yes to Big Trouble in Little China, Princess Bride, Clone High, MST3k and venture brothers!

While friends can go out together, good friends can watch TV together. Save me a seat on the couch!

Posted by: Miss Laaw-yuhr at February 1, 2012 4:40 PM

Here's the thing (echoing Klingonfree a little: I have litmus tests for books, movies, TV, music and even clothing*. And yet, Mr. PaddyDog would fail at least three, maybe four of these tests.

*If you're wearing: Ugg boots, pink track suits, anything by Juicy, or carrying a Louis Vuitton bag, I'm not going to look kindly upon you.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 1, 2012 4:49 PM

Litmus Test= The Heavenly Kid.

Posted by: Francisco at February 1, 2012 4:50 PM

Dealbreakers for me are Firefly, Community and Game of Thrones (the books, not the series). If you know and don't like them, I will think less of you.

If you don't like Doctor Who, we will never see eye to eye (I won't think less of you, because Doctor Who is a rather peculiar kind of entertainment that doesn't appeal to everyone).

Also, if you tell me with a straight face that the Transformers movie franchise is good, I will laugh at you.


Visiting this site has shown me that there is quite a lot of great stuff. Unfortunately, most of my friends don't watch the same things I'm watching due to accessability problems and language skills (you just can't compare dubbed and original movies and shows).

For example, quite a few of my friends are into Big Bang Theory at the moment, which I find atrocious. I try to get the to watch Community, but it's not running on national TV here at the moment. I doubt it ever will, and if it happens, I fear the dubbing will be abyssmal.

Posted by: FabMax at February 1, 2012 4:50 PM

Yep. Joanna and I can never be. There's also the Dr Who (WHAT) and the Whedon and the Community thing.

But that's OK because I adore her anyway. We just can't get married and live in happy bliss forever.

Because “Family Guy” doesn’t write jokes, it just makes references and expect that to be enough

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about Community. But ah, well.

But oh, we'd have a good long love life, Courtney Enlow Hall and Steven Lloyd Wilson with your three names.

My deal breaker? Star Wars. Not liking Star Wars is like not liking me. That's how much the original trilogy means to me.

Also? Liking Two and a Half Men. There are way, way too many people I know who not only watch it but actually enjoy it. And those people are not people I want to hang out with. I just don't.

Also also? Adam Sandler movies. Dunzo list.

Posted by: figgy at February 1, 2012 4:51 PM

Mr. PaddyDog wears pink tracksuits?

Totally not judging, but... OK.

Posted by: The Other Agent Johnson at February 1, 2012 4:51 PM

Just watched Big Trouble In Little China for the first time and loooved it. It had everything I could ever ask for in a movie, from flying kung-fu demons to shitty colored contact lenses. I was like, "Baby, let's watch this. It's by John Carpenter." And she was all, "You've never seen this? What the fuck?" And I was all, "We never had cable." And she was like, "I don't even know who you are sometimes." And she made popcorn for her and I poured myself a glass of Glenlivit and we slammed that shit. And later we made love and she called me "Wang" the whole time. And I did not mind. Not one iota.

Posted by: superasente at February 1, 2012 4:51 PM

If the other person says they like something that is clearly drivel, it is more likely to skew my opinion. I don't think I have a deal breaker of things I like. Mr. Julien doesn't understand the magnficence of The Princess Bride, but I prefer to think of him as misguided. He also doesn't like to play cards and that is a greater (moral) failing on his part.

When I meet people, I always notice if they seem friendly and if they get it. By "get it" I mean that I talk kinda funny and I am used to people being put off by it. I try to talk all normal like and then I amp up from there to see where it goes. If I get as far as making references, then we're usually good to go.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 1, 2012 4:55 PM

Oh, Clone High! I can't hear Will Forte's voice without hearing Abe Lincoln. So quotable. "You lie, Dark!" "G-Spot rocks the g-spot." The makeover song. And how does that go? "If he tells me what happens, I'm going to kill his dog." *flash picture of pug close-up*

Posted by: sunset&camden at February 1, 2012 4:58 PM

A big, big factor in deciding to marry my husband was the fact that when we first started dating, he managed to track down a Clone High DVD from Amazon.ca and gave it to me for my birthday. I had no idea it was commercially available, but I talked about having seen it during its short-lived run on MTV all the time. It was better than any Snowflake Day ever.

He's also a very lucky man, because I'm incredibly well-endowed, boob-wise.

Posted by: The Fatling at February 1, 2012 5:01 PM

Mr. PaddyDog wears pink tracksuits?

WITH Ugg boots Other Agent Johnson. With Ugg boots, rolled down to expose the furry inside. Do you feel my pain?

And the worst thing is he doesn't have the skin color to wear pink. He's definitely an Autumn.

Posted by: PaddyDog at February 1, 2012 5:04 PM

Hmmm...it's a tiny bit of a deal breaker if you can't find something to like about The Fifth Element. You don't have to love it, but you must not mind flopping on the couch with me and a bowl of popcorn to watch every now and again.

Posted by: Bob Frapples at February 1, 2012 5:18 PM

Mine is Field of Dreams. I don't care if it's corny or cheesy or whatever else you want to call it, if you don't like Field of Dreams, we've got nothing to say to each other.

Posted by: Craigilicious at February 1, 2012 5:23 PM

I'm not sure about an absolute litmus test, but I do appreciate many of these selections — Big Trouble . . ., Californication, My Blue Heaven, and Muriel's [Mariel]Wedding. Most of all I know "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you are uncool."

Thank you, Joanna, for that last bit. And for all you fellow uncools who have put together this list and continue to comment on it.

Posted by: Jerry Kenney at February 1, 2012 5:25 PM

Hold the phone. People dislike Muriel's Wedding and Clone High? How? I'm so confused.

As for me, if you give me the stink-eye for liking Rosemary's Baby and/or start bitching that it's a misogynistic fantasy about dominating women, I will walk away in mid-conversation and never make eye contact with you again. This has, sadly, happened more than once in my day to day life.

Posted by: Robert at February 1, 2012 5:42 PM

As I was reading this, I got to the part about "The Princess Bride" and my brother informed me that he didn't really like it. I now question whether I can remain friends with him or not. We'll always be brothers. But I'm not sure we can be friends anymore.

Posted by: Okuma at February 1, 2012 5:44 PM

fuck yeah, clone high.

Posted by: gp at February 1, 2012 5:47 PM

I never understand people who don't play cards. What else are you supposed to do while you drink?

I own Big Trouble in Little China (the deluxe enhanced widescreen two-dvd special edition) and My Blue Heaven. I don't own The Princess Bride right now because a friend borrowed it and then moved across the country, but that will soon be remedied.

If I had to pick something as a litmus test, it would have to be Young Frankenstein. I do not understand how anyone could not like that movie.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at February 1, 2012 5:51 PM

The Fall, people.
Lee Pace. Eyeliner. Colours. Landscapes. Americana Exotica.
Is it even humanly possible to dislike this movie? I doubt it.
But if it is, and you've accomplished it, chances are you're one of those people who think Jersey Shore deserves awards. Who go see Adam Sandler movies on the opening night - and find them funny -. Who go to a Dane Cook show - and find him funny as well. And who declare that Justin Bieber is a better musician than the Beatles, the Stones, Nirvana or Michael Jackson were.
In short, we surely won't become friends. Ever.

Posted by: Rooks at February 1, 2012 5:55 PM

Oh, and TV-wise the perfect litmus test has to be Cowboy Bebop. Liking everything about it, from the story to the art to the voices to the soundtrack (!) will just make you a little more perfect in my head. I can't help it. People who like CB simply have great taste.

And if we're also talking about books, I'd submit Patrick Rothfuss' "The Kingkiller Chronicles" (The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear being part 1 and 2 of 3, #3 currently in the making). If you don't like it, we're probably not on speaking terms any more, literature-wise. Knock yerself out with Stephenie Meyer's newest bestseller and call it "better than Harry Potter" or "the best fantasy fiction since Lord of the Rings" for all I f***ing care.

Posted by: Rooks at February 1, 2012 6:04 PM

I thought I was the only person in the known universe who loved and misses Battle of the Network Stars

Posted by: Candy at February 1, 2012 6:07 PM

My litmus tests are probably Clueless and Groundhog Day. They are two of the funniest movies and are infinitely rewatchable. If you don't think they're funny, we probably shouldn't hang out together.

Posted by: Arrogant Ambassador at February 1, 2012 6:07 PM

Re: Doctor Who & @FabMax--
I feel the same way. You don't have to be a whole (w)hog Wholigan to get along with me but I know I'll at least be compatible with someone who can find something to appreciate in it.

Example: My younger cousin--who I love dearly but who loves Jersey Shore & all it's other ilk so I sometimes wonder about her--flopped down on the couch while I was re-watching The Time of Angels & Flesh and Stone.

She didn't say anything for both episodes, then finally goes: "I don't know who that guy in the bow tie is but I think I kinda have a geek crush on him. I think it's his brain; he's so smart."

And I thought: you're gonna be alright, kid.

Such is the power of Who.

Posted by: VonnegutSlut at February 1, 2012 6:09 PM

STAAAAMMMOOOOS!!! love clone high. quote it more than i should

Posted by: hendo at February 1, 2012 6:15 PM

Ghostbusters. How has no one listed that movie yet!?

Posted by: Mortis at February 1, 2012 6:19 PM

Princess Bride is amazing, I think I have yet to meet someone who didn't like it. Thank Godtopus.

I have a friend that watches Two and a Half Men. She and I just don't talk about it anymore, we get along better that way.

Posted by: Jessica at February 1, 2012 6:23 PM

I own Clone High on DVD! Hell Yeah!! I knew I loved this website for a reason!

Posted by: Harborwolf at February 1, 2012 6:27 PM

Thank you, Courtney. I knew there were some MSTies among the Eloquents but I didn't know it reached up into the regular staff as well.
Keep circulating the tapes!

Posted by: Jim Doggie at February 1, 2012 6:29 PM

My deal breaker? Star Wars. Not liking Star Wars is like not liking me. That's how much the original trilogy means to me.

Also? Liking Two and a Half Men. There are way, way too many people I know who not only watch it but actually enjoy it. And those people are not people I want to hang out with. I just don't.

Yes, this. Absolutely for me, too.

"Buy me anything in there with Larry Csonka on it, I'll PAY for it."

Posted by: =DocDoom= at February 1, 2012 6:31 PM

Seriously. I'm so happy to see Clone High on this list that I'm going to name my first born child after Daniel Carlson. Sure she'll complain a bit. She's had the same name for fifteen years now, but I'm sure she'll get used to it.

Posted by: Harborwolf at February 1, 2012 6:38 PM

My litmus tests are Drop Dead Gorgeous and Hocus Pocus. If you cannot enjoy them for the fun and the 90's, then our friendship will always be a little...off.

Posted by: tawnia at February 1, 2012 6:42 PM

If I had to come up with a litmus test it would be: Steven Spielberg's 1941.

One of my alltime favorite movies and I never understand why it's considered one of his worst movies.

Posted by: John W at February 1, 2012 6:44 PM

I mean 1941 has Warren Oates, Christopher Lee, Ned Beatty, John Belushi, John Candy, Robert Stack, Wendie Jo Sperber, Patti Lupone, Dan Aykroyd, Tim Matheson, Nancy Allen, Eddie Deezen, Slim Pickens, Treat Williams, Lenny and Squiggy, Mickey Rourke, Lorraine Gray, Elisha Cook, Joe Flaherty, and Toshiro motherfuckin Mifune!

Posted by: John W at February 1, 2012 6:52 PM

I overdrafted my bank account to buy the Big Trouble in Little China DVD set. So yes, the love is real. (Not just for it, but for Carpenter, period).

As for litmus test, it's simple. You tell me you love Krull, Flash Gordon and Brain Donors and I will get down on one knee and propose to you on the spot.

Posted by: Fredo at February 1, 2012 7:16 PM

Whether you like Once Upon a Time in the West more than The Good, the Bad and the Ugly or not is a pretty clear indication. I mean, they're both excellent films, but OUaTitW has that extra grandiosity that elevates it above GBU. There's just something there.

I also think quite a lot less of people who just watch things that are currently in vogue, whether it be films or television, but have no concept of the buckets of awesome that have existed in times past. People whose "top 10 films of all time" include three childhood favourites and seven films released that year. Maybe it's just me, but I like having a historical foundation of culture before diving into contemporary culture. Or maybe it's just that there's so much crap being flung at any given time that I can't keep up with every last drop of it (I'm just assuming that it's diarrhoea for analogical purposes). Which is why I stick to discovering older things first. Which is not to say that there's gold in the present moment. Yes, Community is brilliant, but so are Blackadder, Flying Circus and a million other bastions of television comedy - hell, of comedy. Then the other side of that is when people only have a surface understanding of culture; I've long said that there's a lot more to cinema than Kubrick, Scorsese, Hitchcock and The Godfather. Sure, they're great starts, but stop treating them like they're the beginning and end of over a century of cinema.

Also, it may be my inner hipster, but people are my heros for discovering (on their own, mind, not through me) an obscure piece of treasure that's slipped past the vast majority of people. Although this inevitably backfires when I find that something's not quite as obscure as I thought it was, either because it's insanely well-known in a certain country or age-group or just because I don't talk to all that many people (or I do, just the wrong kind).

Oh, and Glee. Just get the fuck out of here. Glorified music videos. I've had a friend try to explain it to me, but to me it's a bunch of vaguely attractive people shitting on creativity and calling it television. (And yes, we're friends, but that's largely because of a shared love of Douglas Adams and Monty Python.)

And then there's The Big Bang Theory. The closest I've heard someone describe it is "the nerd version of blackface". This is made by the same guy who made Two and a Half Men, people. If you can sit through the eternal laugh track in between predictable and unworthy jokes, then you've still got the predictable and unworthy jokes.

Okay, let's get back to something positive. How about The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension? Well-known enough, but absolutely underappreciated. If you know and like this, I can probably sit through a meal with you. Congratulations. Also, John Waters. There's another one for you.

Over and out.

Posted by: zomgmouse at February 1, 2012 7:18 PM

The only one coming to mind is "Hey Arnold." It was my favorite cartoon back in the day. I fall in love with anyone who remembers the show, the jazz, and Arnold's football-shaped head fondly. Mostly, though, it was all about Gerald's urban legends and Helga's creepy Arnold shrine.

Posted by: kelsy at February 1, 2012 7:38 PM

John W makes a very good point. Also, it's true.

Posted by: Jay at February 1, 2012 7:38 PM

For me it's a tossup between The Birdcage and Priscilla Queen of the Desert (Anyone see the pattern?). If you haven't seen these movies or worse didn't like them, I pretty much think you hate joy. Nothing puts me in a better mood than these two gems.

Posted by: e-money at February 1, 2012 7:41 PM

Brian, it's bear-baiting. Bearbating is a MUCH different form of entertainment.

Posted by: The Kilted Yaksman at February 1, 2012 7:49 PM

@courtsinsession

I assume you saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGAxPEeNtVM

Posted by: Luke at February 1, 2012 7:56 PM

I'm a Kennedy. I'm not accustomed to tragedy.

Posted by: Lucas at February 1, 2012 8:08 PM

Now that I'm aware that Netflix has Big Trouble, I'll be taking care of that little problem. I also didn't have cable as a child.

I've never even heard of Clone High, but that is hysterical, especially after listening to Stephen King's last NorEaster cahmedy.

My litmus: my office. If you don't get my Opus, Bill the Cat & godzilla plushies, the Enterprise cutaway, & my "with the mupples" lyrics poster, you're a sinner.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at February 1, 2012 8:27 PM

And then there's The Big Bang Theory. The closest I've heard someone describe it is "the nerd version of blackface". This is made by the same guy who made Two and a Half Men, people.

Fucking WORD. I will only watch it when Evil Wheaton is on. Wil has infinite geek cred with me. Yeah, I know I'm sick.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at February 1, 2012 8:34 PM

Hard Boiled and The Professional. If you watch action movies and never seen them or watched them and thought they were OK, you are half a tard and belong on the short bus.

As soon as The Raid comes out I'm hoping to put it on this list.

Posted by: Sad Rockstar at February 1, 2012 8:34 PM

Wow. You are all some judgmental mother fuckers. I'm with you on The Princess Bride, though.

Posted by: Samantha at February 1, 2012 8:47 PM

did you see the pool!? they flipped the bitch!

Posted by: hobo_jim at February 1, 2012 8:52 PM

It’s not that I need anyone to prefer Letterman, or Fallon, or Jon Stewart, or Conan.

That's because Craig Ferguson is the winner of all of these skirmishes, and he does it with verve and panache (I'd have gone with elan but I can never get the accent in there).

Posted by: Anne At Large at February 1, 2012 8:55 PM

QI is one of the greatest television programs ever. If you can't enjoy Stephen Fry, Alan Davies, and three other (usually) hilarious guests sharing interesting facts and amusing anecdotes, then you suck and I hate you.

Posted by: HungryHungryHippolyta at February 1, 2012 8:57 PM

Cindy and Steven are my kind of people.

There are a few things on this list I have never seen or heard of. I might have to check them out.

Posted by: noo at February 1, 2012 9:00 PM

I'll add one more. The Sandlot. If you don't like it, fuck you, you had no childhood.

Posted by: alopias at February 1, 2012 9:07 PM

BATTLE OF THE NETWORK STARS???

how fucking old are you guys?

Posted by: John G. at February 1, 2012 9:21 PM

For me, it's Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. Luckily, Geep owned it...it was one of the very first things we talked about.

Posted by: Smokin at February 1, 2012 9:38 PM

When I met a woman who loved zombie movies I knew I had found true love. Her favorite was Return of the Living Dead. +1

Her second favorite was Shaun of the Dead. +2

And she introduced me to Fido. +1000

Posted by: The Mutt at February 1, 2012 9:59 PM

His power is in the mix.

Posted by: Lucas at February 1, 2012 11:28 PM

I'm not old. It wasn't that long ago. Mention the 80s and people who can remember them and we get into the 'old' territory.

Posted by: Candy at February 1, 2012 11:32 PM

I have been trying to wrap my head around my complete disgust for this program this is it,

And then there's The Big Bang Theory. The closest I've heard someone describe it is "the nerd version of blackface". This is made by the same guy who made Two and a Half Men, people. If you can sit through the eternal laugh track in between predictable and unworthy jokes, then you've still got the predictable and unworthy jokes.

Litmus test, Freaks and Geeks and Disney's Recess

Posted by: norris at February 2, 2012 3:16 AM

It was such a relief when my wife liked The Big Lebowski.

Posted by: Qualtinger at February 2, 2012 3:47 AM

Profess admiration for torture porn and I will smile politely while avoiding you in future.
Mention any sort of fondness for Three and a Half Men and we will never be more than passing acquaintances.
Quote me anything Whedon and I'm yours forevermore.

Posted by: cinekat at February 2, 2012 4:34 AM

@Rooks:

I'm with you on Cowboy Beebop and The Kingkiller Chronicles. Both are fantastic, but a bit too obscure too be dealbreakers for me.

Posted by: FabMax at February 2, 2012 5:19 AM

FabMax, funny, the obscurity is exactly what makes them dealbreakers for me. Just picture it: There's person X who has enough love for the obscure and the un-mainstream to dig into the respective genre (CB: Animé that comes with adult themes, yet doesn't involve tentacles and childwomen with boobs the size of wrecking balls; KC: Epic fantasy that is neither as light-hearted as Harry Potter, nor as gruesomely bloodsoaked or (unnecessarily) hypercomplex as anything Abercrombian or Martinian), who finds these two treasures -
And then proceeds to dislike them?
I don't know. It would just turn me off.
It's not a crime not to know either of the two, of course.
But if you know them - and like them - and we end up talking about something, and in the middle of the conversation you'll ask me "do you reckon that this is of the Lethani?", I might just have to instantaneously marry you and have your babies within the year.

Posted by: Rooks at February 2, 2012 7:12 AM

My husband is a good man. He's likely one of the best humans I've ever met. However, our relationship sits on a tightrope between his hating The Royal Tennenbaums and not getting what all the fuss is about The Princess Bride.

What anchored this rope years ago was our mutual love for MST3K and Carnivale.

So, I'll sit through football and Braveheart and he'll pretend not to doze off during Out of Africa and Absolutely Fabulous. We just don't EVER bring up The Royal Tennenbaums.

Marriage is about compromise.

Posted by: the other courtney at February 2, 2012 9:29 AM

Fair enough, Rooks.

I have to admit I had too think hard what that sentence was about, although I read "The Wise Man's Fear" only recently. I have trouble remembering details like this from any kind of media.

Posted by: FabMax at February 2, 2012 9:57 AM

And then there's The Big Bang Theory. The closest I've heard someone describe it is "the nerd version of blackface".

Okay, let's get back to something positive. How about The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension? Well-known enough, but absolutely underappreciated. If you know and like this, I can probably sit through a meal with you. Congratulations. Also, John Waters. There's another one for you.

Posted by: zomgmouse at February 1, 2012 7:18 PM

Now that's an interesting coincidence, ZOMGMouse. I caught my mother watching "The Big Bang Theory" a couple weeks ago and described it exactly like that. I've also started using that phrase at work when people tell me I should watch the show because "...you're just like Sheldon..." I'm a nerd. I love my people. That show is not us. Anyway. I wonder if I latched on to "...it's the nerd version of blackface..." from someone else. I need to know who that is, they deserve mounds of credit.

I have the closing theme song from The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension on my iPod :) I couldn't figure that movie out when I was a kid. Now I freaking love it!

I'm a cold, dead person inside and *I* love The Princess Bride. I don't understand anyone who doesn't. I dated a woman, last year, who hates it. We didn't see eye to eye very well to begin with *shrug*

This stuff isn't a litmus test, so much, as a measure of where I can meet someone culturally. If they're into Krull I know I can probably dig up an appreciation for Battle Beyond the Stars.

The woman who starts singing along, with me, to "This is the music for the landing of the rocket..." is going to get a ring before the day is out.

Posted by: lubeg at February 2, 2012 10:30 AM

Clue.

I'M NOT SHOUTING! ALL RIGHT, I AM!

Posted by: Elfrieda at February 2, 2012 10:39 AM

We still call each other "Terrible Muriel".

Now that would be a good name for a band. The Terrible Muriel's.

And there are way too many MST3K inside jokes to mention.

Posted by: MRod at February 2, 2012 10:41 AM

When people say I can't be their friend because I don't love A Princess Bride, they've failed MY litmus test. I guess we've sort of mutually failed each others' tests.

But seriously, that movie is only okay.

Posted by: Cree83 at February 2, 2012 11:30 AM

Dear DR,
re. Mr. Leno: I can't stand him but one of the things I hate even more is bi-coastal bigotry so when you say "Soft-brained red-staters whose idea of subversiveness is watching CNN occasionally to get an idea of the “nutjob liberal perspective.”" I feel like I can speak for all of flyover country when I say, respectfully, "F.U."

Posted by: midas89(heavy) at February 2, 2012 11:34 AM

During a date last year I went off on a 15 minute rant about Bruce Almighty, which I hold as my most-hated movie I've seen in a theater and not just because I happen to share a first name with the titular character. It was our third date and up until that point we'd gotten along quite well. Then after dinner on the drive back to her place the subject somehow came up and I transformed from my usual mild-mannered self into a spittle-flecked Lewis Black impersonator, complete with fist pounds on the dashboard. There was no fourth date, for it turns out that Bruce Almighty was her favorite movie (?!?!) and apparently my claims that it "stands as evidence to the inherent falsehood of all religion and the overall worthlessness of mankind" did not endear me to her.

Posted by: Bruce at February 2, 2012 12:14 PM

Not only is Big Trouble in Little China a giant slice of awesome (I was 17 when it came out and hid in a theater so I could watch it six times in one day) the commentary track of Russell and Carpenter getting wasted while recounting the flick is beyond awesome.

'Aren't you even going to kiss her?'
'Nope.'

Posted by: ponch at February 2, 2012 2:01 PM

Bring it On. That movie is amazing and I will probbably get a long with you if you love it as well.

Posted by: Ben at February 2, 2012 10:54 PM

I feel similarly about Metalocalypse as I do about Venture Bros. You don't have to be a fan, but you should at least have tried to watch it rather than tossing it aside without a thought. It grows on you.

Kinda like Squidbillies.

If you like Tim and Eric Idon'tgiveafuckwhattherestiscalled Shitty Show, then we have no more to talk about. Good day, sir.

Posted by: Protoguy at February 2, 2012 11:39 PM

OMG tawnia. You went there. Drop Dead Gorgeous is one of THE best movies ever. Years ago, my dad wandered into the tv room about 3 minutes after I hit play & he plopped on the floor right next to me. He laughed so hard I thought I was going to have to start chest compressions. My mom, a former beauty queen from Montana, came home about 5 seconds before it was over & we all watched it. Again. It's one of my favorite family memories. I think the only movies my dad has watched over & over are Apocalypse Now & The Deer Hunter (he is a mildly damaged vet with a wicked sense of humor).

And Hocus Pokus is fantastic.

My in-laws have never heard of Princess Bride. NEVER. HEARD. OF. PRINCESS BRIDE. I went apoplectic when they both said "Wha? Whats that?" I just, I, I can't with them. Never heard of Princess Bride? How is that possible? And, *deep sigh*, we live with them. They keep a roof over our heads, food in our bellies & shitty cheap wine in the fridge. They are lovely, but terribly misguided people. I am going to do everything I can to keep their TERRIBLE opinions of art & culture far FAR away from my infant son. He needs to be quirky funtastic like my family, not tightassed & oblivious like his daddy's.

And the Squidbillies are hilarious. End of story.

Posted by: Bodhi at February 3, 2012 2:04 AM

If I had to pick a favorite movie, it would probably be 'The Godfather' or 'Raging Bull'. That said, I can understand why some people wouldn't like the two.

However, if you don't think the 'Back to the Future' trilogy is one of the greatest things ever made, then you can get the hell away from me.

Posted by: @Chrispeare at February 3, 2012 2:37 AM

Yes yes yes, Anne At Large. Craig is most certainly my litmus test. I think less of people who don't like him. I pity those that don't get him.

Posted by: SJfromSJ at February 3, 2012 10:23 AM

you know what i love? pajiba comments.
i sometimes go to movies i know pajiba would hate, just to read the comments.

anyways, Spirited Away. if you can't appreciate it, then i can't be with you.

Posted by: smither at February 6, 2012 9:52 AM