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Another year, another (Sh)It list. Because there’s no end to our hatred.

The Anti-Pretentiousness Movement: Sure, this wasn’t new to 2008. But 2008 is when I really had it with this. You know what I’m talking about. You’ve seen it all before. Somewhere along the way, criticizing stupid movies or lousy music became a sign of pretension. Didn’t like a McG movie? It’s because you’re pretentious and don’t know how to “just enjoy a dumb action movie.” Thought Chinese Democracy was crap? Well, clearly it’s because you’re pretentious. Well, fuck that. Listen, just because we enjoyed a Stephen Soderbergh movie, and disliked Diary of a Mad Black Woman doesn’t mean we’re some sort of intellectual snobs. It doesn’t mean we don’t enjoy movies without subtitles. Somehow, simply the act of disliking something popular is now a sign of us thinking we’re somehow better than those who liked it. I guess I must not-so-respectfully beg to differ. You want the truth? The truth is that probably 75 percent (and that might be a conservative estimate) of all movies, television and music is shit. Absolute steaming, fetid, awful, shit. Just because it comes with flashy colors and bright lights doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile. Just because it makes a billion dollars doesn’t make it good. And just because we don’t like it doesn’t mean we’re pretentious assholes. Actually, I probably am a pretentious asshole — but it’s not because I didn’t like the new Britney Spears album. No, the reason I’m a pretentious asshole because I like to show off my knowledge of obscure shit. The reason I didn’t like the new Britney Spears album because it’s fucking garbage. — TK

Bailouts. Here’s an idea. You know how all the banks, creditors and financial whoseewhatsies started making bad business decisions in the name of greed? “Sure, you can totally afford this loan for that $1.5 million dream house with an annual income of only $35K!” And you know how those decisions have now blown up in their faces? Well here’s what we do — we give them mo’ money, mo’ money, mo’ money! Without making them take any real responsibility! I mean, why should the banks have to start acting like banks again? They shouldn’t give out loans with this new cash just because they can make some money. They should only give out loans when they can turn around and sell those loans for scads of money! That’s the American way! And if they can’t sell them, fuck the populous and giving out loans — let the banks just hold onto all this money we’re giving them. Hoard it up! (Shhh … just ignore what this did for Japan a decade ago. We’re America — we’ll get this shit right.) And for shits and giggles, let’s bail out Detroit too. Again, fuck corporate responsibility. Fuck forcing the unions to make concessions — why should a thousand guys in the fucking job bank have to collect unemployment like the rest of us schlubs who lose jobs? I know what you’re asking: “What about the rest of us?” I hear you — folks are hurting. At least one close family member of mine is likely to be laid off by months’ end, with nary a viable job prospect in sight. So he should get a bailout? Hell, I billed 2300 hours last year, but only got paid for 2100 of them. So I should get a fucking bailout? There have to be limits people. And we should draw the line at corporate welfare that requires no accountability or responsibility. And if this isn’t the best thing to do, no worries — it’s the future generations that are really going to pay for it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to give this guy I know a hamburger and then sell his Tuesday repayment debit as part of a AAA fast food bond! — Seth Freilich

Cable News: Cable news is so totally, irretrievably dumb. Unless you’re moved by the muse and more skillful than I (see Baitz, Jon Robin ) writing even one, brief paragraph illustrating why is more a waste of words than a recipe for boiling water. But you’re at work, trying not to work. You’ve come to Pajiba for a bit of simpatico and a side of snark. Who am I do deny you that? We’ll ignore Fox because it’s the only thing that will make it go away but CNN and MSNBC are gaining ground in the race to see who can more deeply disgrace the profession of journalism. I flipped on the TV before starting to write this, curious what my options would be. The surprisingly inoffensive CNN Newsroom didn’t make me want to throw shoes at the TV. The always ludicrous Nancy Grace greeted me on Headline News (I’m convinced she only exists so Studio 60 could have one bit that didn’t blow). Not to be out done, MSNBC was killing time with a docu-drama version of “CSI: Macomb County.” ‘Cause it’s not like there’s a deeply complicated conflict in the Middle East that could use some esplainin’. I gave Rachel Maddow a shot. I may agree with her and Olbermann a fair amount of the time but they’re still ridiculous. Keith has become a caricature of himself. Baitz was too kind in calling him the love child of “Howard Beale and Hamlet.” More like Howard Beale and Gallagher. And Rachel’s basically a blogger with a TV/Radio show. She points to people smarter than she and says, “See!” There’s a place for that, on the internet, not on a set that looks like leftovers from the World Poker Tour. But I shouldn’t be so hard on Rachel. Next to Chuck Todd, she’s the least offensive of the whole flea circus. Speaking of whom, I’m baffled Chuck still has a job considering he was the only pundit in all the land who dared point out the Democratic Primary was over and done with after Wisconsin. How’s they ‘sposed to sell penis pills if there’s no horse race? It’s the math, stupid. But really, whatever to all of this. Now that my Guy’s the Guy, I’ve got no reason to tune into this tripe. It’s a waste of effort that could be spent listening to paint dry. Really, all you need to know is that CNN shit canned Chez for no good reason. So, you know, fuck them. — Beckyloo

Fifteen Minute Fame Whores: Since the heralding of the CRapture thanks to reality programming, celebrity has become achievable like microwaveable White Castle burgers — instantaneous, undeserving of the moniker, and with no redeeming nutritive value whatsoever. Stars have been born with no pedigree or even redeeming social value. And for every Duff Goldman or Carrie Underwood — people who (opinions aside) demonstrate a legitimate talent or social skill — there are countless others who have emerged from beneath the grimy fridge of fame for no other reason than someone put a camera on them one time. I refer to your Heidi and Spencer Montags, your Kardashian Klan, your Hogan children. Clara Peller famously said, “Where’s The Beef?” in a Wendy’s commercial to the amusement of countless churchgoing folk. Today, she’d have her own television special, record album featuring T.I. and Fall Out Boy, and would be guest hosting at the Emmys. Hulk Hogan at least was a professional wrestler at one time, but his children have done nothing other than lower the limbo bar beneath even Barbado Slim or Hermes Conrad’s flexible spine. These people are put in print to feed the constant slurp and slobber of the gossip rags. They are bread and butter and often sole sustenance for the slavering hordes of TMZ and Perez Hilton (and okay, maybe our own dear Stacey.) Like the advertising monoliths that laid waste to Springfield on “The Simpsons,” they exist only because we pay attention to them. Ignore them. Ignore magazines that promote them. Stop supporting blogs that write articles about them. And they’ll shrivel and die like the cockroaches they truly are. — Brian Prisco

The Jonas Brothers: 2008 was the year that Disney tweener pop inexplicably made its way into mainstream music. Last February when I reviewed the Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Tour concert movie, I had only the foggiest knowledge of either Miss Cyrus or The Jonas Brothers going into it. And while The Jonas Brothers, particularly, were rather odious on the senses; I didn’t find anything too contemptible about their Osmond-wannabe asses so long as they stayed in their corner of the world and me, in mine. Within months however, they had taken the nation by storm, going on to perform at every conceivable televised venue from the VMAs to major football halftime shows. For what’s it’s even worth anymore, they even graced the cover of Rolling Stone for chrissakes. How did this happen, people? Are 12-year-old girls really such a commandingly ominous force to be reckoned with that we have to accept this into pop culture? God, let me tell you, I cannot wait for the day that one of them is caught with some blow or a male prostitute (or better yet, blow and a male prostitute) so we can tell them to shove those promise rings and skinny ties up their self-righteous, sanctimonious buttholes, send them packing to wherever they came from, and forget about them until VH1 does one of their “Hey, Whatever Happened To These Guys” specials in ten years. - Stacey Nosek

Privacy Is a Shield, Not a Sword, Asshole: There’s certainly no historical shortage of cynical politicians attempting to conceal the ugly blemishes on their intellects by hiding behind claims of “privacy.” Over the years, Dick Cheney and his henchman/wife repeatedly attacked those who questioned how he could support denying civil rights to millions of gay Americans while at the same time claiming to love his lesbian daughter “unconditionally.” (Apparently “outlawing marriage to her lover” is not a “condition.”) 2008 brought a new low, however, in the form of (A) a vice presidential candidate espousing abstinence-only sex education while her daughter behaved like a horny Labrador retriever at a dog show and (B) a presidential candidate who insisted that his crackpot religion had nothing to do with whether he should be trusted with the nuclear launch codes. In response to questions about her teenager’s inability to color inside the lines of the abstinence prayer circle, Sarah Palin insisted that her candidacy didn’t open her family’s personal lives to scrutiny, despite the U.S. government’s control over billions of dollars in family planning funding and education resources. Earlier in the year, Mitt Romney repeatedly deflected inquiries about his Mormon beliefs — e.g., that in 1830 God sent an angel to start the Mormon Church with a message on gold plates buried in the fucking ground — because “the U.S. Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office” and that his religion is a matter of private conscience. Nice try, fuckwits. There’s regular ho-hum bullshit, and then there’s stank-ass bullshit, and this is such an easy call that I can’t believe there’s any serious debate. These people are asking us for a very precious gift: the privilege of governing us. When a person seeks to gain this substantial control over our lives, we have the right to know any significant fact about that person that might show he or she is a nutbag or a fuck-up. There is an infinite distance between (1) insisting as a private citizen that people stay out of your personal life and (2) volunteering for a high-profile political position while trying to hide your boarding pass for the train to KrazyTown. If you can’t take the heat, don’t try to get voted into the kitchen. — Ted Boynton

Proposition 8: If Obama (re)made politics into a celebrity sport this past year, Proposition 8 made state constitutional amendments the darling of cultural blogging. Discussions about Prop 8 had a celebrity component that equaled its grassroots component; everyone and everything was attracted to its pull, which reached beyond state and even national borders and touched at matters much larger than the sum of its parts, including the mere question of marriage. It got Straight White Men (recognized by some as the only authoritative, reasonable creatures on earth), and in particular respected entertainment figures like Jon Stewart, taking the soapbox on behalf of all of us lesser-thans. It got mainstream media outlets practically normalizing gay sex. These were its positive effects. Its negative effects are what earn it a spot on this year’s Shit List, though, along with its supporters, the most visible of whom will share a historical greenroom with David Dukes and Jesse Helms (and there’s some consolation in that). Prop 8 left bruising footprints not just across the backs of the people it marginalized, but also across those who struggled to do the marginalizing; it caught thousands of ordinary folks in YouTube amber, their faces frozen in hate-snarls for future generations to wonder at. That it turned up the volume on the American civil rights debate is heartening; that it turned a spotlight on the bigotry lurking under the skins of our near relatives and neighbors — and that it passed, if only by the hair of nervous legacy — is not. Prop 8 (and its sister amendments nationwide) will eventually go the way of the Colored restroom, making it and all it stands for one of the shittiest emblems of this past year. — Ranylt Richildis

Twist Endings: One would assume that only the very best screenwriters’s names ever appear onscreen, but even these illuminati usually strike out when it comes to a successful twist ending. Hell, Keyser Soze wasn’t just a mythical and evasive character that no one was sure ever really existed but whose name, when spoken, still managed to terrify even the most hardened criminal. Beyond The Usual Suspects, Soze represents the equally elusive concept of an effective twist ending, which must be believable (yet not totally obvious) and speak to the main characters’ objectives. In other words, the twist ending, ideally, isn’t wholly predicable but is forged from within the realm of believable possibilities. Otherwise, a filmmaker will inevitably be compared to, say, M. Night Shyamalan, who managed to pull things off once with his well-received Sixth Sense, a suspense story with a twist ending that was somewhat predictable but also profound and dramatic. Then, dude started pulling film endings out of fortune cookies. In Signs, a preacher loses his faith and searches for life’s meaning but must contend with hostile aliens, who were stupid enough to invade a planet three-fourths covered with water, yet can easily be destroyed with glasses of water. Things got even lamer with The Village, which contained two such plot twists in a story of an Amish-like society whose founders vainly sought to escape the ills of society. Perhaps Shyamalan was looking for a second wind, but, his latest offering, The Happening dispensed with suspense in favor of the idiocy of a wind-borne toxin. Every “reveal” was unraveled by the film’s halfway point and the audience was left to observe two unsympathetic and impotent main characters who never consider staying inside to avoid the wind. Perhaps they were actually running away from a twist ending. — Agent Bedhead

Twitter: Part of hate is fear of the unknown, and maybe it’s just that I don’t really understand micro-blogging. I played the MySpace game for a while, until — like most folks — I abandoned it when the spam got completely out of control. And now, like almost everyone under 40, I’m on Facebook, which is great, until your family tries to befriend you, and then it’s not as fun trying to offend/shock all those people you went to high school with. Still, when you’re trying to avoid work or killing time at the end of the workday (or the beginning), there is a comfortable joy in reading about the banality of your friends’ lives or catching a few non-sequiturs in the status updates — it’s little nuggets of personality wrapped around a small bio, updated photos, and the occasionally amusing link. But I just can’t abide the idea that there are millions of people out there who “follow” other people’s Twitter feeds, or that anyone would really want to communicate with the world in 140 character text bites, essentially exchanging status updates. It’s not technophobia — I spend 12 hours of my day in front of a computer, and another 4 hours keeping tabs on the real world via mobile devices. And I understand, of course, that I’ll probably come down on the wrong side of history on this, but have we seriously gotten to the point where information has to be exchanged in bite-sized chunks of text-speak? Is this the future? Will television and movies soon be reduced to 17-second entertainments? Will our real lives soon take on the same format — will conversations be a series of out-of-context morsels of wit and facileness? It’s a terrifying prospect, and it’s a shame David Foster Wallace took his own life last year — now that’s a man that could’ve melted down the entire Twitter database in half an hour. And if he had, would we have lost anything? — Dustin Rowles

2008: I hated 2008. The whole thing just mostly sucked, you know? I understand that 2007 was a bumper year for movies, with genuine classics blasting out of the gate like No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood. And I understand that you can’t get that lucky all the time. But I didn’t expect 2008 to suck this much, I really didn’t. I can’t quite believe we’re already in 2009, and that 2008 has no more opportunities to artistically or culturally redeem itself. I couldn’t even bring myself to assemble a personal top 10 list of 2008 movies because I didn’t care deeply about 10 films last year. I loved a handful, liked a couple more, and wound up with maybe six or seven titles that mattered. The cinematic landscape was bleak, and there was no getting around it. My only consolation is the hope that these things move in cycles — please, for the love of all that is good and holy, tell me they move in cycles — and that something good is bound to come down the pike before long. I’m not tired of getting my hopes up, but I’m tired of having them let down. 2008, you sucked a hard one. Let’s refine in 09. — Daniel Carlson


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Comments

Why do I like seeing Spencer and Heidi looking sad? I can't help but grin even harder as they continue to puss it up. Seriously, if they were sitting in front of me, sobbing hysterically for whatever reason, I'd just smile and offer a mint.

Wait...is this incontrovertable proof that I'm an asshole?

Posted by: Mike R. at January 12, 2009 3:37 PM

I need a bailout. How do I get one of those? Put on a nice outfit and take Amtrak to D.C.? Email my senator?

Posted by: Nicole at January 12, 2009 3:39 PM

I agree with the hate for '08. With the bright, shining exception of the election of a President who is not a member of the Old White Men's Society and the resurgence of SNL solely on the back of returning cast member Tina Fey's dead-on dimwit Palin, this past year blew goats. Entertainment sucked, my life fell apart, GWB continued to dig us in deeper both on the world stage and economically....what's not to hate?

So far, '09 seems to be looking up. My life is in much better shape, Obama is inauguated in a week, some pretty good movies have come out, Jack Bauer is back with the members of Oceanic 815 coming soon, and Amy Winehouse's scumwad hubby is gonna divorce her from behind bars, which helps my chances with her on the '09 Dead Pool!!! So far, so good!!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at January 12, 2009 3:43 PM

Add:

Pajiba/Dustin Rowles/his minions. The asshattery and socialist agenda on this "movie review site" reached heretofore unprecedented levels.

I'm gonna have to kill this dude.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 3:44 PM

Oh, and, fuck you TOO, Krisco.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 3:46 PM

Mike R.: Oh God, how that pic of those two twatwaffles made me feel bubbly on the inside.

Thanks to Ranylt for putting Prop 8 on the list. No matter which side of that you were on, you still lost something important, be it your rights or your humanity. Oh, and fuck the Jonas Bros too. They really are fucking terrible, aren't they?

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at January 12, 2009 3:49 PM

I agree, 2008 was a shit year for movies, music and politics (Obama aside). I think 2009 will be great provided Israel and Palestine don't start World War 3.

Posted by: Agente Provocatrice at January 12, 2009 3:49 PM

Seth, you mean "populace".

And that's how you know I'm a pretentious asshole.

Posted by: marya at January 12, 2009 3:51 PM

And if I may add to that, from among all of the posters who popped up here on occasion over the year: the spambots, the mild but entertaining lunatics, the seriously demented (we hardly noticed you; after all, we have Pookie setting the bar here), and the little girls wearing pink who thought they were on a different site, I welcomed them with an ironic grin and took odds on how soon they would leave us. But then there was that poster (name withheld so he won't come back) who used at least ten different discussions in the third quarter to try to promote a very flawed study to claim racial superiority existed: YOU are on my shit list forever and that (as Mr. Prisco will tell you) means there's nowhere you can hide.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 12, 2009 3:53 PM

Seriously, if they were sitting in front of me, sobbing hysterically for whatever reason, I'd just smile and offer a mint.

Wait...is this incontrovertable proof that I'm an asshole?

Depends on whether the mint has a razorblade in it or not, doesn't it?

Posted by: mightygodking at January 12, 2009 3:55 PM

Mike R., it is proof you are what some would call normal.

Posted by: admin at January 12, 2009 3:55 PM

TK, I couldn't agree more. Just last week I was accused of pretentiousness. For not liking a movie. Didn't even hate on it, but there it is. What happens if I dislike something that is stupid but popular, then in turn end up liking something else that is stupid and popular? Will my brain implode? Will my pretensions evaporate? How about this? If anyone out there thinks I'm a pretentious prick, feel free to go fuck yourself. Sideways. With a rusty chainsaw. Twice if it happens to be Sunday.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 12, 2009 3:55 PM

Awwww, how adorable is BSlim? We should poke his caged ass with sharp sticks more often.

Posted by: Beckylooo at January 12, 2009 3:57 PM

Wait...is this incontrovertable proof that I'm an asshole?

Nah, Mike R. I'm pretty sure that just means you're human.

The only thing I've been able to find at all redeeming about the Jonas idiots is that one of them (I couldn't tell you which) is diabetic, and seems to be doing at least something for research/awareness.

Anything that encourages idiot teenage diabetic girls to take better care of themselves, test their sugar regularly, perhaps not become diabulimic is a good thing. Because the complications are scary and, yanno, often fatal.

And that is the only time I will ever speak thus about any of those silly boys.

Posted by: lizzieborden at January 12, 2009 3:58 PM

I'm not tired of getting my hopes up, but I'm tired of having them let down.

I'm stealing this...

Posted by: Lainey at January 12, 2009 3:58 PM

If anyone out there thinks I'm a pretentious prick, feel free to go fuck yourself. Sideways. With a rusty chainsaw. Twice if it happens to be Sunday.

Mickey, I am totally giving you a slow clap over that right there. Bravo, my dear. Bravo. That was lovely.

No, I'm serious. I'm going to steal that for somewhere, mark my words.

Personally, I think there's a big difference between being smart and opinionated and not ashamed of being heard to be so, and being pretentious. I don't think we're pretentious. I don't think most people actually understand what pretentious means. Because they're idiots. I mean, they went to see Marley & Me, didn't they?

Posted by: lizzieborden at January 12, 2009 4:04 PM

The pretentiousness thing sucks huge for me because I'm right in the middle. My taste isn't sophisticated enough to hate all pop culture so most Pajibans think I'm a moron (I fucking like Britney Spears, get over it), yet I hate movies like Bride Wars and Transformers and horny-teen comedies so my boyfriend thinks I'm an elitist.

Posted by: becks at January 12, 2009 4:09 PM

Mike R. - You proved that you're an asshole long, long ago.

TK - It's not so much disliking shitty movies, nothing wrong with that. Rather, it's taking such glee in pointing out to all us goobers that a movie was shitty and we're too fucking dumb to realize it.

Posted by: sosumi at January 12, 2009 4:09 PM

We should poke his caged ass with sharp sticks more often.

Posted by: Beckylooo at January 12, 2009 3:57 PM.

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Yeah,,,hahahahaha...I'll show YOU poking...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 4:13 PM

I'm trying to be nicer in 2009, so in that spirit I will say this: Heidi Montag has one redeeming quality, fantastic hair.

Posted by: becks at January 12, 2009 4:14 PM

Was anyone else a little afraid their name might pop up? Maybe it's just paranoia but I'll admit I don't know if I'd ever post again if it happened.
Optimus Rhyme Annoying little punk never shuts up about how much Dustin hates Star Wars. Get your prepubescent Tranformers-referencing Ass out of here. Bitch.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 12, 2009 4:16 PM

When the fuck did crimped hair extensions become fantastic becks?

If I go crimp my pet donkey's hair will they give it a reality show too?

We could call the show Spa Donkey and it would follow the day to day routine of donkey getting pretty.

*Note: could also apply to various other celebs. I'm looking at you Parker.

Posted by: admin at January 12, 2009 4:22 PM

As someone who was laid off six times in the last two years and has finally just decided to chuck the mortgage industry all together and go back and finish my degree, 2008 was a big ball of suck. I'm tired of people, tired of politicians, tired of everything. But I will not let them bring me down. I still have that little flicker of snarkiness inside me that stokes my schadenfreude and that's what keeps me going.

I love the fact that I can still work up a white hot hatred for the Montags, the Hogans and all of those celebutards. I relish the opportunity to someday beat Spencer more senseless than he already is and I think I can pull it off, with the right amount of planning and the aid of my fellow Pajibans.

I loved the total and complete feeling of relief I felt when Obama won because I thought this country was just stupid and short sighted enough to take Sarah Palin into it's arms and elevate her to one erratic heartbeat away from the presidency.

I love that people like RDJ and Mickey Rourke can come back and give us the performances we knew they were capable of and they basically got their shit together.

I love the fact that when I see something on TV that I bitch about, I can come on here and there are already 156 comments about it. For example, tonight's HIMYM....Oh, that will be a great comment board.....

These are things that show me that despite all of the crap, despite the Mileys and Madonnas and Beverly Hills Chihuahuas and Chinese Democracy's and Ratners and McG's and Palins and people who fucked us over on Prop 8 and all of the other insufferable assholes out there, there are people who are willing to fight. We are La Resistance.......we stand up and fight even when things are at their bleakest. When Shia Labeouf does a new movie....we will be there. When Miley Cyrus goes shopping for 50 gallon tubs of lube at Costco, we will be there. When Madonna takes on a fake African accent and only speaks in clicks and pops, we will be there. And oh yes, when Rubble44 finally is able to unleash his fists (named Hospital and Graveyard) on some unsuspecting dolt who is at 14:59 and counting.....I hope you will be there....to bail me out, that could be expensive.

That and I will finally establish a Pajiba relationship. It can all happen in 2009, there is a new hope and change can happen!!!!

Posted by: Rubble44 at January 12, 2009 4:26 PM

Her hair looks straight and I'm pretty sure it isn't hair extensions(not in that picture atleast) but yeah, I'd probably try and find something nice about your Spa Donkey as well. I said I'm trying to be nicer.

Posted by: becks at January 12, 2009 4:26 PM

I checked out "Huckabee" on Faux News this past weekend to see how long I could watch it before placing my own head in a table vice. Ann Coulter was on. It was beauty.

The brainless cunt proceeded to rip on Mike (you can disagree with the guy, but he's the nicest man on that network) and tell him he believes Sodomy should be legal, blah blah blah

The live audience (of no more than 40-50 of their base) actually booed Ann Coulter... on Fox News!

We're in a new age, ladies & gentlemen!

Posted by: MrBodyMassageMachine at January 12, 2009 4:28 PM

Yay me, my first slow clap! Mallory, you rock. To hell with the people that can't see the difference. And I wish to hell that Stone would make a NBK sequel that involved lots of bad media personas getting killed.

"You say "why?" I say "why bother?"

Posted by: Xtreme at January 12, 2009 4:29 PM

The best (sh)it list yet! Bar none, but fuck me man, the Mormons aren't that bad. I bet you haven't actually met a Mormon in years. I reserve that judgement for the Scientologists.

Posted by: George at January 12, 2009 4:36 PM

I don't like Twitter either.

Regarding pretension, I can't stand the phrase "turn off your brain". It's the most underhanded compliment towards something that's not serious and is completely subjective. Say it's no good or not, but don't give me "I'm not really stupid, I just like to pretend I am sometimes....cause I'm not really stupid, you know. I wouldn't ever take this kind of thing seriously". Just get over yourself and say it was fun without the faint praise, implied insults and inscecurity. Jesus.

Posted by: Jay at January 12, 2009 4:40 PM

**but fuck me man, the Mormons aren't that bad. I bet you haven't actually met a Mormon in years. I reserve that judgement for the Scientologists.**

I knew this would come up, and I personally don't think Mormons are any more crazy than traditionalist Christians like Mike Huckabee -- it's all hocus-pocus, folks, no matter what year it supposedly happened. My point is that anyone's religious beliefs should have to be disclosed before they're riding herd on Armageddon for a bunch of people who don't share their beliefs.

And for the B-Slims out there, my belief in this is uniform for all parties: I think Bill Clinton should have been pilloried for getting extra-marital blow jobs in the Oval Office -- not because I give a shit about his marriage or his sexual morals, but because of the horrible, horrible judgment it shows that he would put himself in a position to be blackmailed or have his administration completely hamstrung by his political enemies, which is of course what happened. He had no one to blame but himself for handing over the keys to the kill-switch.

Ha! I got in those extra 200 words after all!

Posted by: ted boynton at January 12, 2009 4:55 PM

Oh thank goodness. Twitter-hate! I'm as tech-savvy as anyone, but Twittering strikes me as an asinine activity. I'm pretty sure that people who Twitter incessantly could probably benefit from a little more time in quiet self-reflection. Who needs to know your every move? No one.

Posted by: Louise at January 12, 2009 4:57 PM

George, dude, A Mormon isn't bad - many of them are fine people, nice enough - all that stuff. However. Mitt Romney belongs to an institution founded by a dude who claimed God sent an angel with a flaming sword to force him to marry multiple women. Including at least one 14 year old. And women who were already married - after sending their husbands out of the country on missions. He then formed a militia and proceeded to declare he was king of the world. Further more, to this day they have an old guy in Salt Lake City who clan claim he talks personally with God and that everyone therefore must do just as he says - such as donating millions of dollars to support Prop 8. Didn't we already have one president who thought he had a hot-line to heaven? So yeah, in a lot of ways Mormons are just fine, but trust me on this one, there's some pretty hardcore weird going on in that church and while that's not the members's fault (all the time), it's definitely not a solid foundation for the kind of politician we need to clean up after Dubya.

Posted by: Megan at January 12, 2009 4:57 PM

Wait. Am I the only retard that did not know Bruce Willis' character in the Sixth Sense was dead???? Seriously..... It. Really. Surprised. Me.

BSlim!!! Poke me! Poke ME!!!!! Poke me in my naughty bits.

Posted by: Janey at January 12, 2009 5:05 PM

I knew it would happen eventually. I finally agree with George. Great list, Mormons aren't my favourite but could be worse. And as for Scientology, I have serious trepidations about calling it a "religion". Oh fuck, here I go again. It's a cult of rich media whores created by a science fiction author who believe that fucking ALIENS TALK TO THEM! Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!

*bites head off annoying alien*

Sppttuu! Take that, fuckers.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 12, 2009 5:09 PM

My only beef with marriage in this country is that there are any benefits or rights associated with being married. As a long time bachelor, with no children, why should there be any rights to married couples that I too can't receive. It shouldn't have anything to do with sexual preference. I should have the same tax, income, adoption, etc rights as any married person, even though I am single.

Posted by: Mike at January 12, 2009 5:11 PM

"... I think Bill Clinton should have been pilloried for getting extra-marital blow jobs in the Oval Office -- not because I give a shit about his marriage or his sexual morals, but because of the horrible, horrible judgment it shows that he would put himself in a position to be blackmailed or have his administration completely hamstrung by his political enemies..."
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As opposed to just coming in acting like the Judeo-Christian's god's representative on earth and launching us into a fake war.

I respectfully disagree, sir.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 5:12 PM

...a presidential candidate who insisted that his crackpot religion had nothing to do with whether he should be trusted with the nuclear launch codes...

It's official: I've been in Utah too long. I had to read ahead to remind myself which candidate had the crazy(er) religion.

This frog's been in the saucepan too long, I guess. But, you know

...in 1830 God sent an angel to start the Mormon Church with a message on gold plates buried in the fucking ground...

when you say it like that, it sounds kind of crazy! (And that's not the ridiculous part, not by a long shot) And sorry, George, but I must disagree. Any religious group "doesn't seem that bad", unless they run your government. Then they're unbearable assholes.

And finally, you can say what you want about the anti-pretentious, Real-Amerkuns-appreciate-stupid-things movement, but it almost got Sarah Palin elected.

Posted by: Pajibill at January 12, 2009 5:16 PM

I have to admit I check in on Jhonen Vasquez's twitter every now and then (thanks to this site no less - it was brought to my attention when Prisco pissed off his minions). The man's brain works perfectly with the twitter format, but I can't imagine it works as well for too many other people.

Posted by: s. pisaster at January 12, 2009 5:20 PM

rich media whores created by a science fiction author who believe that fucking ALIENS TALK TO THEM!

Agree that your example = nucking futs. But how is it different from saying "god spoke to me" or "an angel spoke to me"? Those statements are all equally credible in my mind, i.e., not at all credible.

My only beef with marriage in this country is that there are any benefits or rights associated with being married.

That is the most honest argument intellectually. It's not that gay people's relationships should be elevated to that status, it's that marriage, an entirely religious institution, should not be elevated by the government at all. It's a religious ceremony, and people can do it if they want, but getting special rights out of it (a) violates separation of church and state and (b) violates the U.S. Constitution's Equal Protection Clause by denying those benefits to citizens who elect not to participate.

That said, until marriage is treated like what it is, gay people should have the same access as everyone else. But I feel you, homes.

Posted by: rikkitikkitavi at January 12, 2009 5:21 PM

"turn off your brain"

I concur Jay.

My brain doesn't have an off switch. I'm a person not a roomba.

Posted by: stipe42 at January 12, 2009 5:23 PM

Well, I just don't have any use for Twitter, and I don't like things I have no use for. Facebook made no sense to me as I saw a bunch of people who lived and worked in the same place telling each other what they were doing, inside a bubble, and asked my friend, "what's the point?" I'd rather peoplewatch at Myspace, you know? I found a use in friends from a mailing list scattered around the world making a sort of secondary list home, but now with decorated cubicles and bells and whistles, and then it was fun and useful. See also: Pajiba people, ye olde Belle and Sebastian list people. Plus the Facebook status is like a Twitter, but you can talk to it. Twitter itself is kind of an ass because if it says something interesting it does it with its ears plugged and eyes closed. "Well then, fuck YOU".

That's what bugged the hell out of me about the B&S "Sinister" list back around eight years ago. Blogs weren't as common and it was like an endless serious of LiveJournal posts, often dripping with twee, with no one replying to each other and often not even discussing music. I gave that up and made friends on the much more Pajiba-like, if you will, corresponding irc channel, and that's who I'm still friends with today, including my best friend. But she's not on Facebook or Pajiba....such effort required of me! (unless we're both hiding behind "cannot be searched" walls)

Posted by: Jay at January 12, 2009 5:26 PM

Excellent list.

"In Signs, a preacher loses his faith and searches for life's meaning but must contend with hostile aliens, who were stupid enough to invade a planet three-fourths covered with water, yet can easily be destroyed with glasses of water." Besides that, it was a blatant ripoff of "Day of the Triffids." Take that, anti-pretention twatgoblins.

Oh, wait--pretentiousness is about liking good movies, not really, really shitty ones? Nevermind, then.

Posted by: frumpiefox at January 12, 2009 5:27 PM

rikkitikkitavi, thanks for putting the proof in my pudding. Also, as you stated, gay folks should be entitled to the same rights as any hetero marriages, at least until people who are married have no "extra" rights.

Posted by: Mike at January 12, 2009 5:30 PM

And as far as Twitter goes, I agree with my boys Leo Laporte and John C. Dvorak, it IS the future.

Welcome to the future, asshole.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 5:42 PM

rikkitikkitavi, I'm not saying that other "founding" religions aren't loaded up with nuts and crazy ideas, I'm saying Scientology (NOT a religion) should under no circumstances be taken seriously. At least the Christians (some) will admit the Bible is written somewhat allegorically. And now that they (sort of) are being allowed to exist in a corporate sense with all the tax allowances accorded a "charity", they're that much closer to validating their insanity. Unless the whole point of this is some elaborate charade, and any day now Tom Cruise is going to show up on Oprah and say "GOTCHA!" while he pisses in her coffee mug, and they'll proceed to call out all other "religions" as equally insane institutions where people have discussions with non-worldly entities, and we all end up worshiping the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And I'm betting I've managed to piss off at least 20% of this web-sites' population. And I haven't even started being pretentious yet today.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 12, 2009 5:42 PM

Fortunately, the term "pretentious" hasn't arrived to my side of the continent yet. People listen to me going on and on about movies and music they don't really understand and consider me a genius, and sometimes even "just what this country needs: someone with a different point of view." By the time Chileans coin the term I'll be in Boston, where the term will no longer exist. I guess I really am a genius. And just what my country needs. Too bad I won't be here. Fuck you, suckers!

Posted by: SofĂ­a at January 12, 2009 5:52 PM

I guess I really am a genius.

I've also heard you have an incredible rack.

Posted by: rikkitikkitavi at January 12, 2009 6:01 PM

I've been a 15 minute famewhore with less than 15 seconds of airtime, and it is a rough life. I remember dropping 25 pounds in a month, blowing $300 plus on two new outfits (open call and callback) and a trendy haircut, going to the auditions and being told "Thank you" before I could announce that My Cherie Amour was "lovely as a summer day." It did lead to the title of my eventual memoir: Turning Tricks for Primetime: Confessions of a Reality TV Whore. But at what cost?

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2009 6:03 PM

I got married and separated in 2008. Sucked for me too.

On the flip side? I discovered 30 Rock AND Boston Legal through Pajiba last year.

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at January 12, 2009 6:06 PM

So the auto union hasn't made any concessions, huh? In the last two years, the UAW has:

1) Taken over administration of the pension fund
2) Agreed to a delay a lump sum payment into the fund from the Big 3 that was negotiated into the last contract
3) Accepted cuts in employer health care contributions
4) Suspended the job bank
5) Accepted a two-tiered compensation system, in which new hires are paid closer to the amount paid at domestic Toyota and Honda plants

Yes, the UAW members still get paid more than their non-union counterparts. That's what happens WHEN YOU HAVE A SEAT AT THE FUCKING TABLE!

Posted by: sansho1 at January 12, 2009 6:18 PM

Ah well a shit list of 2008, what d'ya get,
Another year older and a deeper in shit.
St. Pajiba dontcha call me cause I can't come,
I owe my soul to a pretentious a-hole!

Posted by: bucslim at January 12, 2009 6:18 PM

Forgive my shouting. I get a little "het up" about that particular issue....

Posted by: sansho1 at January 12, 2009 6:25 PM

"Pretentious" is the new word to use now that "elitist" has gotten stale. To the people who use them, the words mean pretty much the same thing (not their actual definitions).

I'm looking forward to the day when "pretentious" gets stale and these idiots have to start calling me "uppity."

Posted by: Jerce at January 12, 2009 6:33 PM

I miss "poser".

Posted by: sansho1 at January 12, 2009 6:35 PM

Thanks a lot, assholes. Despite my first experience with losing a job and asking my parents for help with rent, I actually didn't think this year was so bad. Then you had to go and remind me that yes, yes it was so bad.

I will argue that this was a year for music, though, in the sense that every year is a good year for music if you know where to look.

Posted by: Sabrina at January 12, 2009 6:40 PM

a good year for music*

Duh.

Posted by: Sabrina at January 12, 2009 6:41 PM

2008 was great. A Democrat was elected to the White House again and not just any Democrat, but one that can shoot laser beams out of his eyes and FLY.

Me and Mr. Beaverhausen both kept our jobs in 2008. We kept our home. Neither one of us experienced an expensive disease or injury, knock wood.

We finished another year of this child-rearing gig with no bloodshed or stitches. Whooo.

Our standards are pretty damn low nowdays, and for that, 2008 WAS bad. I just found out today that yet another friend/neighbor was laid off. I feel like there are all these dominoes around me and they keep falling over and I'm just waiting for one to hit me and knock me over. It's scary. But we'll keep hanging on, if only by our fingernails.

*Oh yeah, flicks. Hardly saw any in 2008 that were made after the 1980s. I saw Twilight because of my daughter, that's it. It was a truly sucky year for movies. Here's to a good year.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at January 12, 2009 6:47 PM

Oh I don't get twitter either. I'm on it, too. badmuthagoose. But I don't get the appeal. Meh.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at January 12, 2009 6:56 PM

In response to questions about her teenager's inability to color inside the lines of the abstinence prayer circle, Sarah Palin insisted that her candidacy didn't open her family's personal lives to scrutiny, despite the U.S. government's control over billions of dollars in family planning funding and education resources. Earlier in the year, Mitt Romney repeatedly deflected inquiries about his Mormon beliefs -- e.g., that in 1830 God sent an angel to start the Mormon Church with a message on gold plates buried in the fucking ground -- because "the U.S. Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office" and that his religion is a matter of private conscience. Nice try, fuckwits.

You missed one by the name of Barack Hussein Obama who hung on to his racist pastor and church for years while he spouted the kind of hate that isn't usually heard outside the glow cast by a burning cross. It couldn't be because he was pandering to the south side racists for political gain, could it? And then he pandered to the rest of the country by disavowing him when it became politically expedient. But since he's the left's new messiah we can forgive any religious peccadillos, can't we. So that fuckwit is going to have the nuclear football, someone so stupid he couldn't figure out for himself that smoking is bad for you. Unless of course Rahm Emmanuel gets the deal he wants in the next eight days and rolls over on him. There's an interesting constitutional question, everyone knows a sitting president has to be impeached but can a president elect just get his ass picked up and thrown in the joint awaiting charges? Preferably by his own secret service detail. There is a limit to how he can use the presidential pardon to protect himself and those that could finger him. The real tar baby here is the Illinois democrat machine and there is no way that Obama is clean after being in its clutches for so long. The only question is how long it's going to take for the skeletons to come out of that ooze like at the Brea tar pits.

Posted by: OscarTamerz at January 12, 2009 6:59 PM

For the record, you rowdy bastards, I have never ONCE said "you're a moron if you like/don't like X." That said, if I think something sucks, than I tell you I think it sucks. There's no reason to take it personally.

Posted by: TK at January 12, 2009 6:59 PM

OscarTamerz, hey, I also heard that Obama wasn't born in the US! You should look into that. It's something about his birth certificate because he was actually born on the moon.

Also, uh "tar baby?" "Burning cross?" Wow. I'm surprised you didn't also use the word "lynched" a few times in that little rant. I'm afraid your little fantasy about Obama being arrested (for what, exactly? LOL) and being throw in jail before his inauguration (or hell, anytime, really) is not going to come true. I hope you aren't expending a whole lot of emotional energy on that, bub.

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at January 12, 2009 7:03 PM

2008 was a shitty year totally. There were barely any movies that I actually wanted to go see, I think I only saw three this past year anyway. Then the economy blew up in our faces (was just hearing some weird conversation next to me about layoffs @ where I'm temping) and the whole reality TV thing is making me so glad I barely watch any TV at all these days. WTF is up with this country cultural offerings these days?! Facebook is kind of lame, and I don't even want to know what everyone's doing all the time like on Twitter. It's total overkill and unnecessary, sometimes I just want to lay in the fetal position in the dark and read something long and foreboding. Hahahha, I just depressed myself...

Posted by: ph at January 12, 2009 7:09 PM

On the bright side we have a president that is "pretentious" and probably intellectually capable of running this country. But seriously that's about it...apparently the economic bailout isn't really enough for this country to really pull it out of its funk but, hey, maybe it's a good start...

Posted by: ph at January 12, 2009 7:12 PM

That bitter taste of fail really makes your eyes water, doesn't it, OscarTamerz?

Posted by: Pajibill at January 12, 2009 7:13 PM

My Shit List for 2008?

Girls who won't show me their chi-chis for one of the following reasons:

They are Married;
They are only 16;
They are off the clock;
They are Protestants and they don't do that kind of stuff;
They are still bandaged from the boob-job;
They are lactating;
They are in a court room and they are judges and therefore I'm out of order and in contempt;
They are trying to clean my teeth;
They dont have a working web-cam;
They are over 80-years-old

All bullshit reasons that will land you on my shit list.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. (formerly JP) at January 12, 2009 7:14 PM

Oscar Tameraz and the absolute WORST thing about Obama is that he's half black...Imagine that!? You got a whole lot of racist imagery in your little rant, congratulations on that one! I doubt Obama will be arrested before his inauguration, but Cindy Sheehan does want everyone to boycott it so maybe you should add her as a friend on Facebook and help her out with that one!

Posted by: ph at January 12, 2009 7:15 PM

"...Barack Hussein Obama who hung on to his racist pastor and church for years while he spouted the kind of hate that isn't usually heard outside the glow cast by a burning cross...."


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How is calling the US of A out on ITS racist past and present being a "cross burning racist"?

Nice try Adolf.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 7:21 PM

There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men actually came out in 2008, in England! Which is the reason I'm counting 2008 as a classic year for cinema, along with Waltz With Bashir and a few others.

Props to Ranylt for calling out Prop 8.

Posted by: Caspar at January 12, 2009 7:27 PM

**You missed one by the name of Barack Hussein Obama who hung on to his racist pastor and church for years while he spouted the kind of hate that isn't usually heard outside the glow cast by a burning cross.**

Despite the fact that I could barely understand your words through the ass-backwards tinfoil hat (the face hole goes in the front), your basic point is correct. If Barack Obama routinely goes to any church, that's worth knowing. If he routinely takes counsel from someone with a radical political viewpoint, that's a significant fact for voters to consider. It truly works both ways. I read about that issue and evaulated it; his main sin was poor judgment in not cutting that guy loose sooner, but Barack remained easily the best choice in the field. I don't view him as a messiah, but he was substantially better than Hilary and light years ahead of Dazed and Crazed.

That said, for future reference, when your words are almost completely muffled by the white hood, your credibility tends to suffer. If the Illinois skeletons don't come out, I'm sure you'll be back here to eat crow and apologize, correct?

Posted by: ted boynton at January 12, 2009 7:35 PM

My real problem is one of diction as I use the words "tar baby" myself and I don't think s/he knows what it means, while, ironically, being one more in the long line of tar babies we've seen in the past year. Ah but ain't that the internet.

Posted by: Jay at January 12, 2009 7:45 PM

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read it.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 12, 2009 7:53 PM

Yeah, Jay!

Posted by: rikkitikkitavi at January 12, 2009 7:55 PM

This isn't directly related (though Stacey mentioned the scourge of Disney Tweener Pop), but I saw it on the CBC website and it made me snort:

Singer-actress Hilary Duff has been signed to play a young lawyer in a new sitcom about a very young woman who qualifies for the bar.

The legal version of Doogie Howser, M.D., is to be called Barely Legal.

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 7:55 PM

Did someone say "Barely Legal"?

Giggity

Posted by: Quagmire at January 12, 2009 7:57 PM

Allll riiiight

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 12, 2009 7:58 PM

Ah, aught-8, twas a vintage year, one to remember for the ages. Not as shocking as aught-1, but not as drab as aught-4.

We are lucky my friends, we were born in a time such that we can talk when we're old about "aught-8".

Posted by: stipe42 at January 12, 2009 7:59 PM

I'm still flabbergasted by how white folks quickly and WILLINGLY accepted the notion the Reverend Wright is a "racist."

Here's a clue ASS. HOLES. when an outspoken black man tells you YOU have built your society on the blood and sweat of minorities. And, that you are reaping the consequences of FUCKING people over with your foreign policy, he's not being "racist" he's just going where you don't want him to.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:00 PM

"a vice presidential candidate espousing abstinence-only sex education while her daughter behaved like a horny Labrador retriever at a dog show"

KLASSY, Boyton, REALLL KLASSY. You misogynist fuck..

I can only assume you are referring to Bristol Palin's pregnancy. You know what Bristol Palin did to get pregnant? She had sex. I know, omg, a girl of 17....who has sex....with her boyfriend. What an animal, what a slut! Clearly, any young female freely choosing to exercise her natural, healthy sexuality (especially within the context of a monogamous relationship...) IS JUST LIKE A FUCKING LABRADOR RETRIEVER AT A FUCKING DOG SHOW. THEY JUST CANT CONTROL THEMSELVES.

On behalf of all the other healthy, sexually active young women of our nation, FUCK YOU. We, like you, like to get laid. It is our right, it is our privilege, and there is nothing wrong, disgusting or animalistic about it.

The only thing Bristol Palin did wrong was get born into a family of abstinence-only nuts that denied her the opportunity to learn to practice her sexuality in a non reproductive way. She doesn't deserve your derision, even if her mom is out to destroy everything we value as Americans.

I read Pajiba religiously, even if I have (mostly) refrained from commenting up until this point. I am sick of all the casual misogyny that gets bandied around the site, and in 2009 I'm gonna call you out on it.

Posted by: Dareva at January 12, 2009 8:07 PM

My only beef with marriage in this country is that there are any benefits or rights associated with being married
Have to partially disagree there. People who get married often have children, children are important but expensive. Therefore people having children need tax breaks. Though you could very well argue that we should abolish breaks for getting married and direct the money to people with children, regardless of marital status, but that is kind of a detail that needs fixing rather than a problem in the basic principle.
Also a major benefit of marriage in the UK is that your (usually) aged partner can inherit without inheritance tax, i.e. the home you built together doesn't have to be broken up until you are BOTH dead (house prices are so high that anyone who owns even a flat in London will be over the inheritance tax limit). This right is essential for partners (and is now allowed for 'civil unions' i.e. gay marriages), but is meaningless for a single person. Also getting married allows you to be next of kin for your spouse. Actually it makes sense that you should be able to nominate next of kin regardless of blood so your family can't keep your friends away from your deathbed, as could happen for gay couples before civil marriages. Ok only some marriage stuff makes sense.
Therefore at least some rights for married couples make sense and/or are only slightly misplaced.

Posted by: ChrisD at January 12, 2009 8:08 PM

I am sick of all the casual misogyny that gets bandied around the site, and in 2009 I'm gonna call you out on it.

Posted by: Dareva at January 12, 2009 8:07 PM

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Ooooooh, shit....

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:14 PM

Yeah!!!! And in 2009, I'm going to call out lurking Pajiban feminists on their lack of a sense of humour.

Posted by: PaddyDog at January 12, 2009 8:16 PM

Dareva, I think Ted's wrath was aimed at the hypocrisy of the mother, not the behaviour of the daughter. Honestly, had the sexes been reversed and a Boy Palin knocked up his teenaged girlfriend, I'm quite certain the same horny Labrador simile would have been used. No need to wield the M-word.

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 8:17 PM

No need to wield the M-word.

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 8:17 PM

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Now now, let's quote her correctly, she actually called him a:

"MISOGYNIST FUCK!"

two words.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:21 PM

*gasp* You're right! Dammit, teenage girls shouldn't "fuck"! She ought to be ashamed.

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 8:25 PM

I'm late to the party today, folks. And having been laid off last week and in meetings looking for work all day, I don't have time to sift through the comments.

Just wanted to pop in and say that you are all fantastic. The (Sh)It List rules.

Posted by: Sean at January 12, 2009 8:27 PM

Dareva>> I'm not saying that I disagree with you, because in spirit I do agree with you.

However, since you do assign blame to Sarah Palin and the way that she raised her daughter, your argument raises another question. At what point should an individual take responsibility for the ignorance and danger of an abstinence-only philosophy? Was Bristol old enough to know better? Obviously, it's too soon to tell, but if Bristol doesn't learn her lesson and decides to teach the same philosophy to her children when they become teenagers, does it then become Bristol's fault? Or is it no one's fault and truly the fault of a lacking meme and tradition that simply gets passed down mindlessly through generations without the proper scrutiny?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 12, 2009 8:30 PM

I am sick of all the casual misogyny that gets bandied around the site, and in 2009 I'm gonna call you out on it.

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: stipe42 at January 12, 2009 8:35 PM

ChrisD>> I was going to say something similar. Marriage does have both a civil and religious definition at this point. The former is useful in our society, and only that definition has any business being used by our government. The parsing of the two definitions would solve this entire problem in my mind, and the religious nuts need to stop getting hung up on semantics.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 12, 2009 8:36 PM

That said, for future reference, when your words are almost completely muffled by the white hood, your credibility tends to suffer.

You, on the other hand, I can understand perfectly but as long as we're trading sartorial advice you might need to cut off the reservoir tip on your hat so you can breathe and maybe get some oxygen to the neurons. You also must not understand how machine politics work. Hizzonor Coleman Young had a number of people from his administration go to prison including his police chief who was found to have embezzled over $2,000,000 and not a single one of them rolled over on him. They probably didn't want their entire families murdered so he went to his grave unconvicted. Elliot Spitzer committed a number of federal felonies and was never even charged. Do I consider Coleman Young and Spitzer not guilty? Yes I do and in exactly the same way OJ was not guilty because he wasn't convicted. Any and all leads could be squashed equally easily knowing that the president is watching over you as you play tennis in one of the club feds. So if nothing comes of it I'll apologize like you did for leaving the biggest religious hypocrisy of the entire election off of the list which is to say not at all.

Posted by: OscarTamerz at January 12, 2009 8:37 PM

Meaux:

I'm well aware that the real target of Boynton's rant was Sarah Palin and not her daughter. I share his attitude towards Sarah Palin and her hypocrisy. However, that does not give Boynton license to casually demean her relatively blameless daughter with remarks that are also seriously insulting to the rest of us.

I seriously doubt that the same similie would have been employed if we were talking about a Boy Palin knocking up his girlfriend. Speculation, however, is rather pointless; the post has already been written and all you are doing is giving him the benefit of the doubt. However, even if you are correct and he would have used the same similie to describe a Boy Palin, I STILL find it offensive and backwards. Demonizing and shaming of the sexuality of young people is exactly what Sarah Palin and her abstinence only cohorts like to do best. This attitude towards sexuality is medieval, oppressive and rooted in patriarchy. (see there, I used the P word too...)

I only wield the M word when it applies.

Posted by: Dareva at January 12, 2009 8:38 PM

To tell you the truth, I think:

You are a teen, you are having unprotected sex while you are mom is going around preaching how that behavior is a sin? Then popping out little shitheads, you ARE a whore. You do it again? You are DUMB whore.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:39 PM

*your

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:40 PM

and DAMMIT!

last sentence should read:

*You are a DUMB whore*

oy

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 8:51 PM

So basically, Dareva, you're saying that behaving like a horny Labrador retriever at a dog show is a shameful thing? I think I speak for those who can't speak for themselves when I say that this is highly offensive to Labs, missy!

Kidding aside, I hear what you're saying, but I will absolutely continue to give Ted the benefit of the doubt. Honestly, he's referring to the absurdity of Palin's abstinence-only attitude. To me, that's kind of the opposite of demonizing teen sexuality.

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 8:53 PM

Ted, hush about the Mormons. Their religion is no crazier than anyone else's, and most of them seem to be pretty nice. If you're going to bash religion in general, I call shotgun, but don't pick and choose so arbitrarily.

Posted by: Lucas at January 12, 2009 8:55 PM

Nice cut, Dareva, but a clean miss. Truth be told, you swing like a girl.

I seriously doubt that the same similie would have been employed if we were talking about a Boy Palin knocking up his girlfriend.

Actually, it would have; if one of Mitt's religious crackpot, yellow-bellied, Iraq-avoidin' sons had knocked up some little gal while they were both 17, I would say the exact same thing. It would actually be more apt, since it's the boy Labs that cause most of the mischief. Also, the Boy Palins are total pussies and couldn't impregnate a female with the assistance of a trainload of Marines.

As for your young, budding sexuality, it's only an issue if your parent runs for veep on a platform of you not using it while you're using it. Otherwise, I'm totally in favor. Show us your tits!

I only wield the M word when it applies.

Apparently not. I thought my calling Bristol Palin a "cockstocking" in last Thursday's Boozehound was way more misogynistic than today's offering. So unclench your garters, get off the rag, earn more than 50 cents on the dollar, and stop squeezing out illegitimate puppies so the boys you're apparently nailing left and right can concentrate on their math and science while you finish your home ec recipes.

Oscar: Lithium, dude. Lithium.

Posted by: ted boynton at January 12, 2009 8:58 PM

Lucas, see my post up-thread. I despise all of them as hocus-pocus nonsense, though some of my best friends believe in religion. I'm also not atheist. Anyone who claims to know anything about it is comforting himself or selling something.

Posted by: ted boynton at January 12, 2009 9:01 PM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIT!

hold EVERYTHING!

New addition to the shit list:

How I Met Your Mother just cameo'd Kim "famous 'cause she gets pissed on" Kardashian. I will never. watch. again.


EVER

PS: I thought they were better than that.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 9:01 PM

Oh my god, TK, thank you SOOOOO MUCH!

Posted by: ChristianH at January 12, 2009 9:02 PM

Never mind her, I was FAR more traumatized by Heidi and Spenc-blargh. My eyes! And ears!

Posted by: meaux at January 12, 2009 9:04 PM

This may be a double-post (I can't be bothered to refresh and see if it is), but come to think of it, Pajibians don't seem to care if you do that.

Mr. Carlson: I'm sorry 2008 sucked for movies. Things will get better. Just because your favorite medium happened to do poorly doesn't mean that 2008 was bereft of cultural advancement. I'm a video game nut, and 2008 had some great developments in the sandbox genre, along with the revival of the classic 2D platformer as a mainstream genre, something I've been wanting for years. No medium can be at the top of its game all the time, but there is always creativity somewhere.

Posted by: Lucas at January 12, 2009 9:06 PM

**I'm a video game nut, and 2008 had some great developments in the sandbox genre, along with the revival of the classic 2D platformer as a mainstream genre, something I've been wanting for years.**

Doooooo tell, my young schol-ah. I'm woefully out of date and don't own a gaming console. What is a good first person shooter game for a PC? I don't have a joystick, but I'm sexually ambiguous and willing to learn. Do I have to boot on or log up with the ram? (Thank you, Al Franken!) tb

Posted by: ted boynton at January 12, 2009 9:13 PM

I don't know who's in charge over at HIMYM (and honestly, I no longer care) but you can bet your ass they thought they were being all "meta" and shit when they soiled the show with EXCREMENT, pure, human, excrement.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 12, 2009 9:14 PM

" So if nothing comes of it I'll apologize like you did for leaving the biggest religious hypocrisy of the entire election off the list which is to say not at all."

OscarTamerz

Oscar, surely you jest. Republicans are about as religious as a Halliburton no-bid contract. And while we're on the subject, how are those abstinence pledges going that the Bush junta is so enamored with? You know, those pledges that those young high school republicans take that forbid vaginal sex but ass fuckin' is not necessarily off the table lest that cherry won't be in pristine condition for marriage. If it were up to me I would ban religion from politics and let the politicians do battle on health care, unemployment, the economy, housing, and crime. But when you have no solutions to offer the masses your only choice is to go to that last great hustle, religion.

Posted by: Pookie at January 12, 2009 9:25 PM

Regarding Mormonism, as far as I'm concerned, a few things do endow their faith with an extra level of kooky relative to some of the other major religions:

1) It's the most widespread, world-pervasive faith that was formulated after The Age Of Reason. Granted, it's an adjunct of Judaeo-Christianity, but there's enough new substance (i.e., an entirely new sacred text) in my mind for it to be considered a separate faith.

2) So much of their faith and traditions are veiled in secrecy. A Mormon friend of mine took me to the temple once. I was only allowed in the lobby. Contrast that with many other faiths that are more open to honest inquiry by potential parishioners.

3) Similarly, so much of their faith and traditions are protected and maintained by aggressive missionary tactics. If you want to spread the word, that's fine. It's your right. But if someone asks to be taken off your list, that request should be respected.

4) Read Jon Krakauer's Under The Banner Of Heaven. Sure, the evils in their history and their fringe sects aren't any more exceptional than what humans wrought during The Crusades or The Inquisition, but it's quite a unique and frightening tale nonetheless.

Also, check out exmormon.org sometime. There are many great testimonials there from former insiders.

And, yeah, I do have Mormon friends. They are generally very nice people, and I bear them no ill will. We just don't talk about religion anymore. At all.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 12, 2009 9:26 PM

All these arguments give me warm fuzzy feelings. Nothing stir things up better than the annual (Sh)It List.

Here's to 2008, the year of the SPARKLES!

Posted by: branded at January 12, 2009 9:33 PM

That "cameo" was barely one at all. And it was such a quality Barney episode. Just his fist when he had to force himself to "pound it". So forced.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at January 12, 2009 9:55 PM

Aw Dareva, lay off the Boynton. That wasn't misogyny, it was just bad writing.

Sorry Ted. Not your best work.

Listen, it's been a weird day as anyone who had to put up with me in person can attest, but I'm frightened to say I find BSlim startlingly simpatico today. I'm sure it's a fever that will pass. In the meantimes, yeah. Exactly.

Posted by: Beckylooo at January 12, 2009 10:02 PM

2008 DID suck. It was one good month surrounded by 11 horrible months of things that made me angry.

Blah dee blah.

Posted by: figgy at January 12, 2009 10:04 PM

"What is a good first person shooter game for a PC?" - Mr. Ted Boynton

I can heartily recommend Portal:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/400/
It's a game that involves hopping around a science facility while a passive-aggressive computer talks to you. The only weapon-thing in the game is a portal gun, which fires little orange or blue portals that attach to surfaces. You walk through an orange portal, it makes you come out at the blue one, and vice versa. Arguably the best game of the past eight years, and it's only $20 and downloadable at the link provided.

If you're willing to pay $10 more (that's $30 total for those without math), you can get it as part of the Orange Box, which also comes with Half-Life 2 (a great traditional action game with lots of stuff to shoot) as well as a couple of small sequels to the game and a multiplayer FPS called Team Fortress. You can find the Orange Box here:
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/469/

All of these games will run well on a range of computers, so as long as your computer wasn't made before, say, 2002, you should be able to play them. If your computer is old as balls, pick up Half-Life 1:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/70/
Only $10 and it'll run on a toaster oven (as long as you've got Windows on said toaster oven).

If you have any further questions, e-mail me at obryen at gmail dot com. Don't use the one I put in the form as I hardly ever check it.

Posted by: Lucas at January 12, 2009 11:00 PM

Damn, this got fun real quick.

Since we are getting all serious, what TB said was not M... He said she behaved like a horny lab. Which means she acted like a normal teenager.

Now, what the good sir Mr. Slim said was just plain wrong. Bristol Palin having unprotected sex with her BF is certainly dumb, but it doesn't make her a whore.

If she got DP'd by members of the rifle team while fellating her math teacher, well that would make her a whore, and one I would like to meet.

Now on to abstinence programs. Unfortunately, a large percentage of parents have abrogated their responsibilities and left all too many children without a moral compass, whether we are speaking about sex, ethics, common courtesy or a good work ethic.

We rip on these 15 Minutes of Fame Whores, but they have assumed the role model throne and they are teaching our kids. All too many kids -- not all mind you, or even the majority, but too many --don't want to be actors or artists, they just want to be famous for fame's sake.

Let me bring this around: so many parents are such fuck-ups themselves that our government has to come in and teach the obvious -- that adolescents are too young to understand the ramifications of sex, both mentally and physically. And though abstinence isn't the panacea Republicans like me claim it is, handing out condoms isn't either.

Fuck condoms. Grown men know better, and yet they still stick their dicks in skank-ass hos and good-girls alike because it feels better.

You can give a sophomore in high school 5 thousand condoms and he will use 4.9K as water balloons and the last one will stay in his wallet as proof that his balls dropped.

A combination of approaches is the best POA.

Anyway.
To summarize: Bristol Palin is not a whore.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. (formerly JP) at January 12, 2009 11:00 PM

Well, I'm in a better place than I was in 2007, 6, 5, 4....a long time, okay? Lucky me, I suppose. Plus my 2009 horoscopes are fantastic. Go Go Rat Rabbit!

Posted by: Jay at January 12, 2009 11:03 PM

So Dareva, if Palin goes and pulls a Britney, then can we shit on her? I gotta tell you, I think she's about one bad haircut away.

Posted by: admin at January 12, 2009 11:04 PM

I was gonna post something snarky, but you know what? 2008 was genuinely awful for me. Especially the last month of it. I'm too sad for snark. Stupid NyQuil. It has lowered my defenses and now I think I'm gonna cry.

Posted by: s. pisaster at January 12, 2009 11:14 PM

I like to bitch and snark as much as anyone, but come on now you morose motherfuckers, 2008 might have sucked, but we outlasted it and put that fucker in the ground. What this thread needs is a little Swearengen:

"Pain or damage don't end the world, or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man -- and give some back."

Posted by: stipe42 at January 12, 2009 11:38 PM

Quick check:

Salin Palin preached abstinence only, but Bristol attended Alaska Public schools, which teach the use of contraceptives in health class. I.E., safe-sex. She still got preggers. If you all assume that abstinence only doesn't work, then how does preaching safe sex work when thousands of HS girls learn it yet still get pregnant work? You can teach 'em how to use a condom, but face it: the only surefire way to not get pregnant is to not have sex, i.e., abstinence.

2. A black preacher yelling about the US being built on the blood of black slaves isn't racist, but when he goes on TV and tells the world that black brains and white brains are biologically different, therefore requiring different methods of education, he sure as fucking hell is racist. If he wasn't a racist, or at the very least a crackpot, then why the fuck did Obama throw him under a bus and leave the church? You honestly believe that that was the first time Wright had said something so flagrantly racist in front of Mr. "Not the man I know" Obama?

Wright is a racist nutjob and Obama listened to him for 20 years, end of story.

3. Yeah, those mormons are crazy. So are most religious followers. But crazy is crazy. Just because someone's religion says one thing, doesn't mean that they believe it or follow it. What, atheists can't be crazy? Stalin wasn't a paranoid nutjob? Close to a quarter of a BILLION people have been murdered in the 20th century alone by people who don't believe in God, or Zombie Jesus, or the Godtopus, or Budda.

Pretentious Assholes.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 12, 2009 11:50 PM

Pretentious Assholes? Why not just tell us to get off your lawn? Dude you're so sour, obviously you're one of those repubs that couldn't quite pull the trigger for Mac, but who's madly in love with Lady Palin. The fact that you hate Obama with every ounce of your being brings tears of joy to me knowing that every single second of the next four years Obama will be your president and you can't stand it. Sucks to be you.

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2009 12:25 AM

**Salin Palin preached abstinence only, but Bristol attended Alaska Public schools, which teach the use of contraceptives in health class. I.E., safe-sex. She still got preggers. If you all assume that abstinence only doesn't work, then how does preaching safe sex work when thousands of HS girls learn it yet still get pregnant work?**

Some Guy, you sad, sad troll, the most awesome thing is how you're still lurking around here after the shameful assfucking you received in the Penitentiary of Stupidity that followed your mindbendingly short-penised descriptions of the apocalypse that would follow an Obama election.

I'm always loathe to indulge the retarded scenarios of halfwits, but just one more time for old times sake: Yes, Bristol Palin went to Alaska public school, but for every hour in school, her abstinence-teaching mother had two hours with her in the school year and 24-to-zero the rest of the time. Here's a shocker out of that formula: Abstinence was an utter fucking failure, which is as predictable as the sun coming up. Abstinence is the birth control of weak, inferior minds, which is why dwarf cerebra like you dot the landscape like Labrador cum at the dog pound. If abstinence worked, you wouldn't be troubling us right now.

On the upside, Oscar is probably looking for a scrotum to smooch, now that Cheney and McCain are safely in the graveyard of history. So you're in luck on that score.

Posted by: ted boynton at January 13, 2009 1:08 AM

Sarah Palin insisted that her candidacy didn't open her family's personal lives to scrutiny, despite the U.S. government's control over billions of dollars in family planning funding and education resources. Earlier in the year, Mitt Romney repeatedly deflected inquiries about his Mormon beliefs -- e.g., that in 1830 God sent an angel to start the Mormon Church with a message on gold plates buried in the fucking ground -- because "the U.S. Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office" and that his religion is a matter of private conscience. Nice try, fuckwits. There's regular ho-hum bullshit, and then there's stank-ass bullshit, and this is such an easy call that I can't believe there's any serious debate. These people are asking us for a very precious gift: the privilege of governing us. When a person seeks to gain this substantial control over our lives, we have the right to know any significant fact about that person that might show he or she is a nutbag or a fuck-up. There is an infinite distance between (1) insisting as a private citizen that people stay out of your personal life and (2) volunteering for a high-profile political position while trying to hide your boarding pass for the train to KrazyTown. If you can't take the heat, don't try to get voted into the kitchen. -- Ted Boynton
______________________________________________
So were you on the same side when all the questions that are still unanswered about Obama's background came up? I know that this is late and may not get an answer but screw it. While I wish Obama well and knew McCain was not the man for the job, I hated the fact that any questioning of Obama's background was a racial attack versus some serious questions about the person's belief system. But I guess those questions were only applicable to one side of the political aisle this year. I just found it odd when Brocaw said after Obama won the general election, "We do not know much about President-Elect Obama." Scary since the man ran for office over a period of 20 months, and one of the most revered men in TV journalism is baffled by what is to come.

Posted by: richmac at January 13, 2009 2:08 AM

Have to partially disagree there. People who get married often have children, children are important but expensive. Therefore people having children need tax breaks.

Posted by: ChrisD at January 12, 2009 8:08 PM

And I must fully disagree with your partial disagreement. You make far too strong a case for procreation, I fear. The trouble is that the little fuckers can too easily turn out like OscarTamerz or Some Guy. Why is that a risk worth taking with tax dollars when horny Alaskan teenagers are willing to do the job gratis despite their solid Republican upbringing?

Seriously, what's so special about boy-girl marriage that it warrants its own system of kickbacks? I like Jesus probably more than most of you, but God hasn't checked in recently enough to see what we're doing with his place -- any problem we face does not involve there being too few of us. We all gotta live and we all gotta eat. So what, we aren't going to feed our spawn without tax incentives?

Be married if you want to be married. Children will happen without tax breaks. The end.

P.S.

Republicans are about as religious as a Halliburton no-bid contract.

Posted by Pookie at January 12, 2009 9:25 PM

Pookie, you just got a free pass for life. I still won't let my daughters anywhere near you, but other than that you're golden.

Posted by: Che Grovera at January 13, 2009 2:20 AM

I know that this is late and may not get an answer but screw it. While I wish Obama well and knew McCain was not the man for the job, I hated the fact that any questioning of Obama's background was a racial attack versus some serious questions about the person's belief system. But I guess those questions were only applicable to one side of the political aisle this year.

Posted by: richmac at January 13, 2009 2:08 AM

Obama got pummeled from all quarters and still emerged victorious. He's the latest salesman and we bought in -- big time. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having questions about his background; I have doubts aplenty about where he might lead us. But you said yourself that the alternative was less appealing, so what were we to do? In this case I'm happy to have my intellectual-leaning biases hung out for all the world to see. Maybe a smart guy won't be the answer, but at least he's getting a chance. We've already seen what stupid can do for us...

Posted by: Che Grovera at January 13, 2009 2:37 AM

And Rachel's basically a blogger with a TV/Radio show. She points to people smarter than she and says, "See!"

Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar with a Ph.D. in Political Science. I seriously doubt that many of the guests on her show are smarter than she is.

Posted by: Elfrieda at January 13, 2009 4:23 AM

Anyway.
To summarize: Bristol Palin is not a whore.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. (formerly JP) at January 12, 2009 11:00 PM

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Nope you are wrong, she's a fornicating WHORE, and she WILL burn in hell.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 13, 2009 6:50 AM

Close to a quarter of a BILLION people have been murdered in the 20th century alone by people who don't believe in God, or Zombie Jesus, or the Godtopus, or Budda.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 12, 2009 11:50 PM

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It's the 20th Century, period. Before that ALL pillaging and murdering of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of people was carried out by folks who believed in deities.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 13, 2009 6:58 AM

Why is that a risk worth taking with tax dollars when horny Alaskan teenagers are willing to do the job gratis despite their solid Republican upbringing?

Because they will only provide the people that we will need to pump our gas in the future Che. There will be many other positions to fill upon the retirement of the Baby Boomers.

Also Pookie, what Che said, but you already knew that. I, however, am willing to sacrifice my daughters for the good of mankind.

Posted by: admin at January 13, 2009 7:12 AM

to casually demean her relatively blameless daughter with remarks that are also seriously insulting to the rest of us Oh, Dareva I was once a horny teenage girl, and damn straight I behaved like an untamed Labrador!! I did it in cars, my parents house, my boyfriend's parents house, parks, wherever! BUT, my mother was not running for national office loudly espousing abstinence only education. See, my mother had also been a horny teenager, as had my sister before me. They both got pregnant as teens, got married, and went on to raise families. I wanted more, and my mother knew it. I got on the Pill in high school, because my mother knew I was gonna go out and fuck like a bunny. So, yeah, maybe I was a little whore, but you know what? I had a hell of a good time, learned a lot, and didn't get put in the spotlight because my mother is dumber than bag of hammers.

OscarTamerz & SomeGuy you are bloody morons. Stipe42 I salute you, sir, for quoting the brilliance of Swearengen. I might add another, from my personal savior, Calamity Jane.... E.B. Farnum: Be brief.
Calamity Jane: Be fucked! .

Posted by: dammitjanet at January 13, 2009 8:58 AM

Thanks Lucas

Posted by: ted boynton at January 13, 2009 8:58 AM

I hated the fact that any questioning of Obama's background was a racial attack versus some serious questions about the person's belief system. But I guess those questions were only applicable to one side of the political aisle this year.

Considering how those questions kept being brought up regardless of how many times they were answered and how many of them weren't actual questions but outright accusations that were proved patently false, I can see why some didn't think they weren't being asked with the country's best interests at heart.

That said, I agree that he should be open to questioning. That was part of the whole "change"
deal, in my mind. We had gotten enough secrets and shadows from the last guy, we didn't need any more. But the religious stuff was patently ridiculous on both sides. The man sticks with the Reverend, who he's known for years: he is a racist. He decides to distance himself to convince people he is his own man: he is a backstabber. The man's father happens to be a lapsed Muslim: he is a sleeper agent for al-Qaeda. He gets some TV preacher to deliver an address: he is going to end all hopes for gay marriage.

Seeing as how several of us here were raised in Christian households, went to church, and read the Bible, only to grow up and make our own decisions on such matters while still staying in touch with those who chose to stay in the faith: how come you and I can make such a change, but Obama wasn't?

It's the 20th Century, period. Before that ALL pillaging and murdering of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of people was carried out by folks who believed in deities.

1) How do you know ALL of them were deity-worshipers? A considerable majority, true.

And if Republicans can lie about their religion, why couldn't knights and Vikings and shit?

2) I don't see how that history somehow mitigates the pain those non-religious caused, especially if one is trying to argue atheism as somehow superior or preferable to religion. Fact is, shit went down, no matter who was or wasn't the deity in charge. Just because someone kills in the name of God doesn't mean the killing is worth more points than just a plain old massacre. Murder is fucking murder, and you don't get to dress it up by saying "well, that guy with the cross killed more people than I ever did!".

Posted by: Vermillion at January 13, 2009 9:22 AM

I got on the Pill in high school, because my mother knew I was gonna go out and fuck like a bunny. So, yeah, maybe I was a little whore, but you know what? I had a hell of a good time, learned a lot

Not that it should need saying, but having a lot of sex doesn't make someone a whore. Not even a teenage girl. I think that's what Dareva was trying to say, in a roundabout way. And for what it's worth, I 100% agree with that message -- if not with the antagonistic back-and-forth going on upthread over what should be obvious to all of us.

Posted by: Ranylt at January 13, 2009 9:45 AM

Umm...I never said abstinence only education works, nor did I say that sex-ed is a complete failure. Neither one works on it's own. You can teach safe sex and still tell kids not to have it unless they are ready to deal with the consequences.

Barbado: Granted, yes, religious followers have killed Billions and Billions (nice Carl Sagan imitation,) of people, but in what time frame? Over the course of 10,000 years? The entire span of human civ.? When we were in the dark ages and thought the world was flat? Let's live in the present.

My point was not that religious types aren't dangerous or crazy, I believe I said that they were. My point was, in the scant 100 years of the 20th century, the first "modern" century, non-religious types killed far more than religious types did. Someone who doesn't believe in god can be just as threatening and crazy as someone who does.

I didn't see too many of you defending what I mentioned about Wright, only yelling at me that I hate Obama. The guy won, he's my pres., and I have no plans on following you all down the darkside of Bush/Obama derangement syndrome. I just don't have as much hate in me I guess.

In fact, the last few weeks have been rather entertaining, what with Blogovich/Immanuel ties, the bill richardson investigation (another cabinet appointee,) and all the other big wig dem's who are currently under federal investigation. No, I'm not worried about the next four years. I look forward to the madness that is/will be Chicago politics in the White House.

In fact, I don't think I criticized Obama at all in what I wrote, other than the fact that he dropped Wright like a diseased hooker...

I am assuming that you all watched the same press conference where he danced on stage and clapped and told America that black brains are different than white brains. The Nazi's said the same things. White genetics are different than others. Wright is f'ing crazy, and Obama knows it.

Finally, the pretentious assholes thing was clearly an allusion to the first essay above, but apparently your hatred of anything that isn't you in this place eliminates the ability to have civil discourse. Thank you for proving my point.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 13, 2009 10:14 AM

Scratch that last remark, as Vermill. had a very well reasoned and thought out response that didn't use the word 'cum' or 'bloody.' Kudos to that.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 13, 2009 10:22 AM

Some Guy I take it you won't be watching the inauguration then?

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2009 10:30 AM

Oh, my. This is one of those threads now, is it?

relatively blameless daughter

Um, wasn't it her blameless daughter who practiced neither abstinence nor safe sex (which, by the by, is what makes her dumb; you *NEVER* have a guarantee that your partner is as monogamous as they claim to be, and diseases are everywhere), thereby labeling herself a slave to her impulses, much like.. oh, I don't know, say.. a Labrador Retriever?

Also, calling someone out on their hypocrisy is not misogyny, even when the hypocrite happens to be a woman.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at January 13, 2009 10:46 AM

Che and Vermillion I agree with you though I am a right-leaner. I was just going after the fact that Boynton only covered half of the argument.

It was that Obama was so elusive when he did not have to be. It took several statement releases to narrow down his actual stance, it became very difficult to ascertain, and I think it still is, where he stood with his religious beliefs. I never thought he was a Muslim, nor could I care if he was, but shit man, it you preach transparnecy get it out on the table and move on.

Since he has not, it will make a difference to millions of idiots what church he will walk into just like what dog breed they choose, who cares. Just do the damn job, and try to back up 1/3 of your campaign promises and you are fucking golden. (Since I am from the district Blagojevich came from I couldn't pass up the chance to throw some Chicago speak in there.)

Posted by: richmac at January 13, 2009 10:51 AM

Damn. I forgot about the part where TB didn't call Bristol a whore. The two things are quite different. Also, there was nothing there that painted her actions as "disgusting".

This thread is making me unable to communicate. I'm going back to celebrity gossip and turn off my brain! Hahah!

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at January 13, 2009 11:03 AM

Also, Bristol Palin isn't a whore UNLESS THE DUDE PAID FOR IT. A slut, trollop, tramp, skeezer, heifer, or wang-gobbling bumsnatcher, maybe, but not a whore.

Damn people, words have definitions for a reason.

Posted by: Vermillion at January 13, 2009 12:02 PM

"Some Guy I take it you won't be watching the inauguration then?"

Probably not, pookie, but bear in mind that I didn't watch the inauguration for the guy I voted for in 2000, either. Inaugurations are merely pomp and circumstance and a waste of tax payer money.

The actions of a President will always speak louder than his words to me.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 13, 2009 12:20 PM

"The actions of a President will always speak louder than his words to me."

Some Guy

So where is your outrage for Emperor Bush? Or are you one of those Republicans that think Bush didn't do anything wrong or illegal?

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2009 12:52 PM

Here are some actions from Emperor Bush:

1. Telling the public and the International community that he was ABSOLUTELY positive that there were WMDs in Irak. (last i heard they were still looking)
2. Telling the public that Hussein was involved in 9-11. (no connection, even tenuous, has ever been found)
3. Taking us to war, with a country hadn't done shit to us, murdering countless civilians and thousands of OUR youth.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at January 13, 2009 1:04 PM

I'm on Facebook, which is great, until your family tries to befriend you

Are you a prophet or is this truly inevitable?

Because moments after me reading this post yesterday, my brother asked to be my friend on facebook!!!

I like my bro and everything, but he's 12 frickin' years older than me! I feel like I just confirmed my other father figure to be my facebook friend.

Damn social media to hell, can't live with it, can't live without it (esp if you work for a media company).

Posted by: Teresa at January 13, 2009 1:13 PM

yawns, stretches, shakes off applications and papers

Hey guys, I'm back, did I miss anyth-
...holy shit, I get outta hibernation and step splat right into a flaming turdwar. Geez! 2008 didn't totally suck, there was a return of hope on Nov 4 and the Dark Knight in theatres...and...gimme a minute...well shit, 2008 really kinda blew, didn't it?

And meaux, I don't know who pissed in your Cheerios or Anrgy-Os but damn! Girl's got a temper! Who's the best annoyed pitbull on the MurderMaid? You are!

Posted by: lordhelmet at January 13, 2009 1:24 PM

Ted Boynton:

I stopped reading last night because I had to go distract some poor, innocent boys from their math and science with my tits. In case you are still paying attention, here is what I have to say in response to your response:

First: talk is cheap. It doesn't matter what you say you would have said about Romney's boys. And, as I explained to Meaux, I would have STILL found the remark objectionable.

Comparing someone's sexual behavior to that of an animal is tantamount to calling them "disgusting" or a big ol' whore. To me, it reads as if you are implying that there is something shameful about Bristol Palin's sexuality. Young people fucking (and fucking a lot) is normal and healthy. Unfortunately, sometimes accidents happen, even to the most careful teen. They do not deserve to be shamed or called bad names, even if you do hate their parents and their parents' political decision-making.

"the Boy Palins are total pussies and couldn't impregnate a female with the assistance of a trainload of Marines."

Another remark worthy of the M word! Calling a male a part of the female anatomy in order to insult and shame him! That's textbook M word. What the hell is wrong with pussies? (Unless, of course, this sentence is really explaining your theory that the male Palins are all secretly transgendered. In that case they might literally have vaginas and be physically incapable of impregnating anyone, and my criticism is out of line).


"Apparently not. I thought my calling Bristol Palin a "cockstocking" in last Thursday's Boozehound was way more misogynistic than today's offering."

Yep, it probably was. I didn't see that one, so sorry. I think I was having a lesbian threesome to ring in the new year. Saying I only use the M word when it applies means I don't use it when it doesn't apply, not that I use it in all possible applicable cases. I'll be more vigilant in the future.

"So unclench your garters, get off the rag, earn more than 50 cents on the dollar, and stop squeezing out illegitimate puppies so the boys you're apparently nailing left and right can concentrate on their math and science while you finish your home ec recipes."

I assume you are implying that my feminism is outdated and irrelevant. While you're on the internet, why don't you educate yourself?

Posted by: Dareva at January 13, 2009 2:15 PM

Dareva, there is nothing wrong with "pussies" (plural) unless they are on the same woman.

Wait. Strike that.

Multiple pussies on a mamasita would be awesome. If one gets sore or a little too loose, switch over to the other one.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 13, 2009 2:40 PM

*Steps into discussion*

GEORGE W. BUSH is a genius economic strategist who gave us 54 months of uninterrupted economic growth while keeping the average employment rate equal to that of the Bill Clinton years. Also, the current economic crisis is far more the fault of certain democratic members of congress, like chris dodd and barney "Fannie and Freddy are OK, leave 'em alone" frank. Partially explains why those "sound" institutions donated the most money to the Killer-D's this past cycle.

And Obama? Apparently he's the only man to come out of the shit-shoveling Chicago Political Machine smelling like roses...

*runs*


;)

Posted by: Rex Kramer, Danger Seeker at January 13, 2009 3:05 PM

Rex, you lost all credibility after you ventured beyond *Steps into discussion*.

Posted by: Pookie at January 13, 2009 3:23 PM

I always get a little extra-bitchy when my favourite captain is away, lordhelmet. Now I'm doing my happy dance again! Hooray, misogyny for all!

Posted by: meaux at January 13, 2009 3:48 PM

Dareva, your opinions are adorable. You used some big words for someone with breasts and a brain the size of a walnut. Your master has taught you well. You should be thankful he is so nice to you.

Now let the men discuss this matter and make me a pie, okay sweetnips.

*Oh no he didn'*

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 13, 2009 4:12 PM

Dareva pooted:I assume you are implying that my feminism is outdated and irrelevant.

Nope, just hypersensitive and counterproductive. You also seem to be unfamiliar with the concepts of "humor," "hyperbole" or "exaggeration." See, if I call some dude a "jackass," only the truly retreaded think that I mean he literally has the physicality of a mule - it means I think he's stupid.

Similarly, if I call you a "bitch," I am not referencing any qualities you may share with canines - I mean you are a dumb slit.

Posted by: firedmyass at January 13, 2009 5:37 PM

Weel, the dems have had their fill of mocking Republicn fuck-ups for the last 8 years, and with Obama in office the table is turning rather quickly. Even key Dems are ripping his stimulus plan.

His pick for COMMERCE Secretary has issues with illegal contracts and his pick to head the TREASURY either intentionally or unintentionally did not pay over 30K in taxes until OBAMA's people figured it out.

So either the guy in charge of the treasury can't take care of his own finances very well or he is a criminal. Not very reassuring either way.

Oh, and Obama's Secretary of State does not believe he is qualified to be the President.

The cabinet is coming together quite well.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at January 13, 2009 7:26 PM

1. Mrs. Daddy
2. AvB
3. All the other women of Pajiba

Oh, wait, I thought that said CLITlist.

Ahem ... carry on.

Posted by: bucdaddy at January 14, 2009 4:23 AM