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I don’t know that we’d say that 2008 was an amazing year for films — there were 8 or 9 really good films, and a couple of great ones (if you’re counting at home, that put Milk at number 11, with apologies). What was sort of nice and unusual in 2008 is that not all of the best films came out during the last two months of the year — our top ten list includes three movies that came out in the Summer and even two that were Spring releases. We’ll say this much — ranking numbers 3 - 10 was a difficult task, as they each fit similarly into the “really good” category, but I honestly don’t think there was any question as to what the number one film would be. The Golden Globes may have largely ignored it, and The Oscars may very well do the same in the Best Picture category, but there wasn’t a chance we were about to disqualify it (or the number four film) simply because they were summer blockbusters.

Without further delay, here are your top 10 films of 2008.

doubtrev.jpg10. Doubt: Doubt is so predictably good — Pulitzer Prize-winning source material, top-level cast, accomplished writer-director, etc. — that it’s easy to overlook the nuances and grace notes in the execution that make it truly great. One of the best measures of a film’s quality is how closely it adheres to the maxim that it’s not just what you say, it’s how you say it, and in that regard the film is a fantastic success, a probing, tightly woven, powerfully acted examination of the cost of faith. There’s a deep honesty to the story, a kind of unflinching and completely believable way the film unfolds and the relationships become wrapped around each other that moves it beyond the area of just some abstract or academic treatise on suspicion and doubt and turns it into a living, breathing, dangerous thing. Written and directed by John Patrick Shanley, who adapted his own play, Doubt is a fantastically rendered version of the stage story, revolving around the same basic beats and scenes but still accomplished as a film. It’s so accomplished, and full of such casually powerful moments, that it would be easy to write it off as “as good as expected,” but to do that would be to rob the film of the respect and thought it genuinely deserves. — Daniel Carlson


the-wrestler-01.jpg9. The Wrestler: The Wrestler lives and dies by the performance of Mickey Rourke, and it is something to behold. Robert D. Siegel’s script at times feels like an allegory for Rourke’s own less-than-glorious career. Randy is a hideous mess of a man, a sagging giant with peroxide-bleached Vince Neil hair and a turkey-basted tan. Mickey’s plastic-surgery ravaged pout, craggy face, and world-weary body add a depth to the character that no cinema star’s makeup-laden smile could have ever captured. The Wrestler is a blisteringly uncomfortable film to watch, because it’s the story of a man who doesn’t know how to be anything else. Rumor had it that Nicolas Cage was attached to be Randy the Ram, but this is Mickey Rourke’s film, both figuratively and spiritually. Rourke is a fallen star, a man who mauled himself in the name of drugs and craft, who keeps lumbering through projects like a lost bear. When Randy the Ram dons the tights to recapture glory, you feel a little like Mickey Rourke’s getting his last moment to shine as well. — Brian Prisco

frostnixon.jpg8. Frost/Nixon: Frost/Nixon is the best film Ron Howard’s ever made, as well as a telling reflection of his skill as a director and the path he’s taking. Written by Peter Morgan, who adapted his own play, Frost/Nixon is an intelligent, brisk, engaging, wonderfully acted film that benefits as much from Howard’s skill with set-ups and pacing as it does his complete inability to take something and make it his own. It’s a good film precisely because of what Howard doesn’t bring to it, or rather, what was already there before he arrived. It’s the kind of deft, interesting, skillfully told tale that could only be directed by a man this invisible. Howard is able to both peel back the artifice inherent in his film and also amp it up to the point where it feels like a solid re-creation of fact. It’s another in a long list of seeming dichotomies that mesh beautifully, turning a historical drama into an honest meditation on the price of power, the cost of fame, and the perils of an imperial presidency run rampant. Though based on fact and using real people, the film never comes across as satirical or abusive, and even though a “number of the events have been fictionalized,” the story is, on an emotional level, undeniably true. — Daniel Carlson

walle4.jpg7. Wall-E: As if Pixar didn’t have enough to be proud of already, their latest CG-animated film, WALL-E, is their greatest achievement yet in terms of pure storytelling. It has all the things that are now expected to come with the Pixar brand — likeable characters, engaging stories, and an unshakeable feeling of warmth and hope — but it’s also phenomenal in the way inanimate objects are imbued with personality, physicality, and genuine souls. The animation firm first started to break ground with a short about a Luxo lamp come to life, and that same sense of breathing life into everyday objects, or at least objects that shouldn’t be able to move, gives WALL-E a refreshing and almost pioneering feeling, as if the animators dared themselves to see just how much they could convey onscreen without dialogue. And as is often the case with a Pixar movie, the filmmakers have surpassed their goal, creating a film full of humor and character that can be enjoyed by children but whose emotional complexities and heartbreak will only truly resonate with adults in the audience. — Daniel Carlson

richard_jenkins9.jpg6. The Visitor: It would be easy to say that writer-director Tom McCarthy makes films about lonely people, or that that’s all he does. It’s not entirely inaccurate — the quartet at the center of his latest film, The Visitor, are strangers whose disparate lives intertwine much like the trio that anchored his previous film, The Station Agent — but it’s also dangerously reductive. What made The Station Agent so good was its honest look at the complicated ways people connect with each other, and how someone can stumble into your life one day and become an irreplaceable part of it inside a week. McCarthy has preserved that sense of honest discovery in The Visitor, an engaging, expertly drawn, and moving examination of one man’s empty life and the way he comes to fill it again. The character at the center of the film is lonely, yes, and even bears some surface similarities to Fin, the hero of The Station Agent. But more than the loneliness, McCarthy’s focus is on its cause, its damages, and its cure. He doesn’t just make films about lonely people; he makes films about those people finding the hope they thought had been lost. The film is a beautiful and soaring confirmation of everything that’s best about people and the ways they come together in times of trouble and trial, and McCarthy’s storytelling never falters. He has done something very hard: He has created indelible characters, names and faces and hearts whose melody lingers long after the music has faded away. — Daniel Carlson

marie_josee_croze2.jpg5. Tell No One: Tell No One presents a dazzling example of embracing genre conventions while also elevating them. Clearly influenced by films such as Caché and The Fugitive, Tell No One elects not to strain to find detours around genre tropes, instead choosing simply to de-emphasize them while respecting the viewer with plausible but unobtrusive stepping stones to propel the story. Tell No One leads us on a wild chase through a careening plot, hitting the suspense formula marks only in service to the downhill thrills between the turns, occasionally dotting the proceedings with small but resonant bits of action. It also works well as an ensemble piece in the spirit of Lantana, with a uniformly excellent cast where each character holds an important piece of the narrative puzzle, their conversations flowing in a natural way while maintaining the shifting intrigue of each character’s involvement in the unfolding story. Indeed, Tell No One is a beautiful example of filmmaking craftsmanship, incredibly entertaining, deeply moving, and well worth a trip to the cinema. — Ted Boynton

iron-man-downey-jr.jpg4. Iron Man: Iron Man is the reales Abkommen, the real goddamn deal. Better than a film for cool kids, it’s a film that makes you feel cool for loving it. It is cinematic engorgia, a movie that will leave you gleefully priapistic. Or, for those of you who prefer unpretentious terminology: It will make your funny parts hard. Iron Man is the perfect storm of badassary, debilitating wit, tester-octane explosives, and tongue-in-cheek gnarliness. And Robert Downey, Jr. is in the eye of it, motherfuckers. It never really feels like a comic-book film — sure, it follows the genre template, closely tracking the comic-book movie story arc, but it tosses aside the alter egos, the kryptonite, the typical you-killed-my-parents revenge fantasy, and the heavy-handed moralizing that seems to take up so much space in comic-book panels. Moreover, for all its implausibility, Iron Man feels grounded in a form of reality; the action is low key, without being underwhelming; and at no point does it feel like Iron Man is being weighed down by obligations to the fanboys. In other words, Iron Man is not just a great comic-book movie, it’s a great goddamn film. — Dustin Rowles

alg_rachel.jpg3. Rachel Getting Married: In Rachel Getting Married, featuring the performance of Anne Hathaway’s career, Jonathan Demme took the same approach to the dysfunctional family film that Noah Baumbach has been taking for the last few years, with one great exception that makes Rachel the superior film: Demme’s characters, for all their insufferable neuroses, are ultimately likable, sympathetic, and heartbreaking. What appears, initially, as just another film about a broken family marred by tragedy flowers into something real and cathartic and painfully exuberant. Though the wedding at the center of the story nears some sort of multicultural, hippy-liberal fantasy, Demme perfectly captures the swirl of emotions that accompany weddings: The emotional highs of matrimony and the bittersweet pain of reunions, as well as the authenticity of the long, soporific speeches. It’s a tearjerker that doesn’t jerk the tears out of you — to your surprise, they just quietly seep out before you realize it. Watching Rachel Getting Married hurts, but in a way that makes you want to hang on to the sadness, to let it linger, because way down beneath the hurt is something like joy. — Dustin Rowles

slumdog.jpg2. Slumdog Millionaire: Danny Boyle’s Slumdog Millionaire is the latest example of why the director is so good at making movies in different genres: It’s got the connective thread of emotional honesty, fidelity of character, and devotion to the story’s specific universe that links it with everything from Boyle’s drama Shallow Grave to the horror of 28 Days Later to the children’s film Millions. Boyle can jump from one style to another because he always brings a level of truth to his films, and that’s one of the many things that makes Slumdog Millionaire such a joy to watch. The film is beautiful, sad, sweet, uplifting, and thoroughly entertaining, but above all it’s honest, a paean to life and love that stands firmly rooted in reality even as it reaches for the heavens. The story bounces around in time and often rapidly shifts location or mood, flirting with everything from comedy to drama to a blend of fantasy and reality that’s completely engaging and works on every level. Boyle has made a true coming-of-age film that balances technical skill with emotional heft, and that marries heartbreak with hope. It speaks of joy and sacrifice, of redemption and atonement, and the sense of destiny attendant with the unstoppable perseverance of selfless love. Perhaps the ultimate testament to Boyle’s skill at crafting a story that’s engaging on every level and an actual pleasure to watch is the inability to say more than that: It’s almost impossible to sum the film up or even get close without either completely blowing the plot or wandering into dangerous abstraction, into wonderings about fate and love and the feeling of being infinitely strong and young. What else can I say? It is written. — Daniel Carlson

darkknight3.jpg1. The Dark Knight: The Dark Knight is a harrowing, frightening, uncompromising, flat-out great superhero movie, wonderful in sad ways, hitting the perfect mix of characterization and humor, bouncing between phenomenal action set pieces and the brutally human moments that place the film in a recognizable world even as it soars into comic book fantasy. Put simply, Christopher Nolan just gets it. He’s a believer, and he’ll make one out of you, too. By crafting another superb movie that’s as believable as it is entertaining, he elevates the entire film and achieves that most unattainable of goals: A believable superhero movie. Even the nameless citizens aren’t caricatures but actual characters, and that makes their pain that much sharper and their decisions to do right that much truer. The Dark Knightis all about what it means to fight a losing battle knowing the outcome in advance, and why. For Bruce Wayne and Christopher Nolan, the answer’s simple: Because you believe in it. — Daniel Carlson









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Comments

Sure is quiet here. Did Jesus come back.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: superEdna at January 7, 2009 3:36 PM

Interestingly, only four of these films feature someone I want to pork. I'm disappointed.

Posted by: Clee Shay at January 7, 2009 3:42 PM

Good list, well written. Mostly. I have to throw down on Wall-E. I don't care how many nominations something gets, that doesn't make it top ten list material. It was cute, it was blah blah blah. It's a kids show that kids are not really interested in. Trust me, we have every Pixar movie on DVD, including Wall-E, and my 5 year old son would rather watch Kung-Fu Panda three times in a row than Wall-E. Why don't they let the target audience vote?

Posted by: Xtreme at January 7, 2009 3:44 PM

Why don't they let the target audience vote?

Because it's hard to put a serious amount of weight behind the vote of someone whom you repeatedly have to take to the hospital for sticking marbles up his/her nose.

Coincidentally that is the same reason why they didn't count the vote of those people who saw Witless Protection.

Posted by: branded at January 7, 2009 3:52 PM

Is it a kids movie, though? It's animated. It's rated G. Does that mean only kids can enjoy it?

I object to the idea that movies should be ghettoized as kids movies. Too often that's an excuse for lazy storytelling.

Posted by: marya at January 7, 2009 3:52 PM

As much as I love and trust this site, I cannot comprehend the utter blindness it has when it comes to The Dark Knight. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and was ultimately titillated by Ledger's Joker, but would I call it a great film? No. Would I call it the best film of the year? Never.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Batman Begins was a much cleaner, less excessive film, while The Dark Knight is overlong by half an hour and hindered with the unwieldy Two-Face sub-plot. Had Nolan contented himself with the more streamlined Joker plotline, I think we might be looking at a really great movie, but as it is, The Dark Knight bit off a bit more than it could chew.

I can easily chalk up its hype over the summer to a thousand fan boys and girls orgasming over Ledger's performance (and experiencing vicarious grief over his untimely death), but I've yet to figure out how this film - with the weight of half of year and all the wisdom that accompanies it - deserves the accolades being thrown at it by Pajibans and others. We the readership deserve better!

Posted by: pseudoliterati at January 7, 2009 3:52 PM

@Xtreme - I wouldn't say that 5 year olds are the target audience - the target audience is much broader for this film. I found Wall-E to be one of the best films of the year, and probably one of the best animated films of all time.

The list is well composed and very well written. There's some things here that I haven't seen yet, but I'll have to give them a go.

Posted by: psic at January 7, 2009 3:53 PM

When they're good, the Demmes are really really good. I miss Ted.

Posted by: Eep at January 7, 2009 3:57 PM

I agree with you pseudoliterati. While TKD was a good movie, I really can't take it seriously as a Best Movie contender. I found Two-Face laughable, though Aaron Eckhart did him as well as could be done.

Posted by: Cindy at January 7, 2009 3:59 PM

Ah, where the hell is "Let the Right One In" Dan? C'mon now!!!

Posted by: sheepeyes at January 7, 2009 3:59 PM

I love the inclusion of Tell No One. That was a fucking phenomenal movie.

And I really really want to see Slumdog Millionaire and The Wrestler.

Posted by: Julie at January 7, 2009 4:00 PM

The best list out there. One of the reasons I love this site so much is because it doesn't bow down to the ridiculous conventions of Hollywood, like putting together a 'best of' list while kissing as much ass as possible. This list is so varied and intelligent that it makes me love this site more than ever. It's about movies, damnit. Not about anything else. Just the movies.

I just watched The Dark Knight again, and I honestly can't remember the last time I was so INTO a movie. You know? It's just a brilliant piece of movie making, and I love that you guys put it at number one.

OK that's enough eloquence for me. Now it's time to go back to finding more actors whose bones I want to jump. And cupcakes.

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 4:00 PM

Nearly three-year-old Little A is similarly enthralled by both WALL*E and Kung Fu Panda, but I am supposing that is due to his excellent upbringing and superior genetics. He's a preternaturally young movie fanatic.

So while he loved all the wacky robot adventures, his 'rents were moved to tears by the story. Cinematic happiness all around.

(However, please someone tell Pixar to reign in their elephantine running times. What happened to happily brief 80 minutes?)

I want to take Pixar to task for that weird ass Ratatouille. Little A was so over that shit after the first 20 minutes. A cooking rat. Long scenes in a kitchen. Talk about missing the target audience. If it weren't for the gorgeous animation, I would have written it off completely.

Anyway, seeing only four out of ten? I need to get the fuck on the ball.

Posted by: Alabamapink at January 7, 2009 4:02 PM

Hooray for the Frost/Nixon love! I had my doubts going in, but I emerged from the theatre totally impressed with this film and everyone in it.

Posted by: docsmartypants at January 7, 2009 4:03 PM

I'm not saying that 5 year olds should get to vote exclusively for animated films, I'm suggesting that what they prefer when it comes to films in their demograph is that their opinions count. Pixar/Disney have mastered the McDonalds slogan of "if the kids want it, the parents will buy it". Look at the success of Cars. Big Name voices were not required, but it still made (and thanks to those stupid die-cast cars) and continues to make them millions. Seriously, do we need a Lightning McQueen car in 14 differnt colours? I think not all, I think not.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 7, 2009 4:06 PM

i'm with pseudoliterati here, The Dark Knight was an incoherently mess, afflicted with lazy writing (see: the hostage rescue), a lead whose performance might be charitably described as "constipated", extraneous subplots, some of the most elaborately ludicrous machinations ever laughable sold as serious (see: the joker's escape) and a running time about three quarters of an hour too long.

in short a perfect encapsulation of Faulkner's quote, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". well, except for the long stretches of murky boring, that is.

and let's not even get started with Slumdog Millionare to call that movie a piffle is to insult triffles.

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at January 7, 2009 4:07 PM

I certainly would have made "DarkKnight" number one followed by "IronMan," no way does
"Slumdog Millionaire" rank number two. Anne Hathaway had better get her ass back to work now that her boy friend got locked up. I agree with Xtreme totally when it comes to "Wall-E."

Posted by: Pookie at January 7, 2009 4:08 PM

I usually write my thoughts at the bottom of the listso it's kinda fun to be at the top for once. It's interesting how, despite complaining about the lack of great films, many critics chose completely different great films this year. Not sure whether that means there were more great films than usual in 2008 or just great films which don't necessarily appeal to everybody.

Posted by: Chris at January 7, 2009 4:08 PM

three of my favourites:

il divo
i've loved you so long
it might get loud (doc. with jimmy page, the edge and jack white)

i don't think these even made the "great movies you didn't see" list. perhaps they haven't been released in the U.S.

Posted by: celery at January 7, 2009 4:17 PM

The first 20 minutes or so of WALL-E were exquisite, perfect filmmaking. Other bits weren't bad, but that entire opening sequence was unbelievable.

... and you know what, fuck it, I'm sheeple. Baaaaa. Christopher Nolan is a genius and Iron Man was so much fun I wasn't sure it could be on a 'best of' list because Good Movies Aren't Supposed To Be Fun.

Why the fuck have I not seen The Visitor? I loved The Station Agent.

Posted by: twig at January 7, 2009 4:20 PM

Fruck YEAH!!! Iron Man and The Dark Knight made MY funny parts hard, and I'm a girl!!! Holy Jeebus toast they were great!! I know some people don't understand the love for these, especially TDK, but DAMN!!! Hot mens, stuff that blows up, fast cars, hot mens...what's not to like?

Ok, so I haven't seen the others, but, to be fair, I live in the Midwest, and we don't get some of them there artsy-fartsy movies out here!

Posted by: dammitjanet at January 7, 2009 4:21 PM

Let him watch Kung Fu Panda, then, and grow up as dismissive and simplistic as you. Wall E wasn't a kid's movie, it was a great movie. Pixar does not require celebrity voices to push its movies into our consciousness- the stories do that themselves.

I love Iron Man, but the final battle was made precisely for the fanboys, and really took me out of the movie. It was like Favreau took a battle out of the much crappier Spiderman movies and merely input the Iron Man models and character names. I see you've made some downgrades to your movie, John. I'm just glad the movie got to be its fun self again for the final couple minutes.

Posted by: tdehr at January 7, 2009 4:21 PM

Eat some fuck Cindy and pseudoliterati! There is no reason not to like the Dark Knight! It has pitch perfect performances, great drama, but not so much that it is bogged down, far better combat than Batman Begins, and a much better plot. Fuck you long and fuck you hard.

And fuck you Xtreme for dissing on Wall-E, it's not really as much for the kids, but it doesn't need to be. It has everything in it right. Eat shit.

Sorry for degenerating into a youtube esque figure, but it needed to be said.

Posted by: George at January 7, 2009 4:22 PM

"full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

Macbeth Act 5, scene 5

actors whose bones I want to jump. And cupcakes.

Do you want to combine them? Might not be my thing, but I imagine one could have some with it.

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 4:24 PM

There were only three comments when I posted that so I'm not at the top again. Everyone must have clicked post comment a fraction of a second before me. Still higher than usual though.

Posted by: Chris at January 7, 2009 4:25 PM

This might sound totally weird, but I must say that I absolutely love Dan's reviews. They are always insightful and eloquent, and rarely resort to vulgarity to get a point across or elicit a laugh. Coincidence that he reviewed 6/10 of the year's best films? Probably not. I enjoy the other reviews on this site, but Dan's consistently well-written pieces are what keeps me interested in the movie-review aspect of this site.

Also, I'm kinda ashamed that I only saw 3 of these movies, but I did see Iron Man and TDK each twice in theaters.

Posted by: eat my shorts at January 7, 2009 4:26 PM

Dark Knight as number 1? I knew it. I knew it would happen here yet I didn't want to believe it. I could throw a fit like a four year old, puff out my cheeks, stomp my feet, and scream "no no no!" until someone gives me a juicebox and puts me down for a nap but I won't. I'm classier than that.

Posted by: Robert at January 7, 2009 4:31 PM

How dare you leave out Gus Van Sant's opus!? Although, it seems that many of you preferred Paranoid Park, although it was a bit meandering and experimental, I did like it better because it was about skaterboarders and teens (two of my favorite movie subjects). However, it seems you guys have an inexplicable hard-ons for The Dark Knight and Iron Man, I mean they are good but they also had some minor things I didn't like about it. First thing in The Dark Knight, Christan Bale's raspy 60 year old woman voice annoyed me so hard, but it was made up twofold by Ledger and Eckhart's excellent performances! Iron Man...Gwenyth Paltrow was problematic and unnecessary. I did like The Dude and RDJ though (they always rocks my world). I am excited to see the rest of the top ten (Doubt, The Wrestler, Slumdog Millionaire). Thanks for the great list!

Posted by: ph at January 7, 2009 4:31 PM

VERY happy to see Tell No One on this list, but I have to agree with a poster above: Let The Right One In is not just the best vampire movie I have ever seen, but probably the best movie ever I have ever seen. And I actually agree that TDK was good, but does not deserve the number 1 spot for best film of the year. Bales growly Batman voice almost put me over the edge, and I love all things Bale. And Maggie G. was better than Katie Holmes--which isn't saying much--best she wasn't great. Although I heard they did that whole tractor trailer turning upsidedown stunt in the middle of downtown Chicago for reals--not (motherfucking) CGI--thus deserving of some props.

Posted by: boo at January 7, 2009 4:31 PM

it might get loud (doc. with jimmy page, the edge and jack white)

Oh, is that what that Rolling Stone article was about? Should've read it, I guess. The movie sounds like a much more interesting roundtable than just an interview of "three guys who are different ages with similar jobs and how much they like each other". No, it doesn't appear to have gotten any US distribution. Where'd you see it?

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 4:32 PM

Big Name voices were not required in Cars?

From the point you're making it sounds like you mean "there weren't big name voices in Cars and look how it did." If I'm wrong, then whatever, but there were PLENTY of big name voices in Cars.
Owen Wilson, Paul Newman, Larry the Cable Guy (love him or hate him he's plenty well known), Cheech, Tony Shalhoub, George Carlin, Michael Keaton, Jeremy Piven, Bob Costas, Darrell Waltrip, Click and Clack, Michael Schumacher, Jay Leno, Mario Andretti, the list goes on.

Posted by: Eep at January 7, 2009 4:33 PM

I'm with Pink on the whole "I cried watching Wall-E" thing. God dammit, so glad I went to see that one alone before work. Less thrilled with the other asshats in the cinema.

But come on: Milk is only 11? For reals? I say "bah!" to that.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at January 7, 2009 4:35 PM

My exact thoughts when clicking on this story:

"Blah blah blah, quick scroll, is Dark Knight number 1? Oh yes, it is. Cool. Time to read the rest of the list now."

You may think that makes me a bad person, but I would say I have my priorities in the right place.

Posted by: Mike R. at January 7, 2009 4:35 PM

I'm with you Xtreme... my son reacted the same way to Wall-E. Perhaps this clouded my judgement a little because I felt Pixar's latest was a tad obvious and hammy, while the over-consumption message would have sat a little better if it wasn't followed by a shitload of Wall-E related plastic crap in every toy store. Seems some Pajiba readers are easily led...

Posted by: vab at January 7, 2009 4:38 PM

Eep, I know Cars had the all star line up and everything, I'm trying to say I don't think they needed Owen and Larry to be succesful. I could be wrong. Unlikely, but it could be.

And George, sorry if I hit a nerve. Far be it from me to judge grown men that like to sit alone in a dark theatre watching a kids movie surrounded by children. No sir. Wouldn't dare.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 7, 2009 4:40 PM

I'm with pseudoliterati, I don't get the love for The Dark Knight.

And figgy, this list is hardly different from any of the other top ten lists I've read.

Really weak list. 'Doubt' and 'Frost/Nixon' don't belong anywhere near any 'best of' lists, 'Wall-E', 'The Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man' show up on everyone's top ten lists (and somehow, even though TDK and Wall-E are winning tons of awards, people still complain that they aren't getting enough respect because they are 'genre' movies) and the other movies look good, but are showing up on everybody else's lists, and on awards lists, too.

Boring.

Posted by: Rebecca at January 7, 2009 4:42 PM

"full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

Macbeth Act 5, scene 5

actors whose bones I want to jump. And cupcakes.

Do you want to combine them? Might not be my thing, but I imagine one could have some with it.

Jay They tried...three times. The first was called "Coyote Ugly". It failed. The second was called "Charlie's Angels" and it failed miserably. I'm forbidden by the Counsel to even discuss why "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" was horrifically bad. I'm risking my membership by mentioning its very name. I'd tread lightly, my friend; you never know who's watching.

Posted by: Mike R. at January 7, 2009 4:43 PM

I apologise for my harsh last remark. I've been vomiting and crapping my innards out for the past three days and my mood is rather sour.

Posted by: vab at January 7, 2009 4:44 PM

I'm going to have to side with the pro-Wall-E contingent. My 3 1/2 year old would literally watch it all day if she could, and it's one of the few that I don't mind watching repeatedly. (Which believe me, I have.) I'm still finding nuances and details that I'd previously missed. Great story, terrific animation. And "easily led"? That's a pretty sweeping judgment. Tastes differ, that's all.

Posted by: sherry at January 7, 2009 4:48 PM

It can be fun though, if the kids are excited. I saw "Goblet of Fire" after work at about 7 its opening night and was surrounded by kids. It helps being alone as I could get that one seat still empty in the third row. The little girl next to me was really excited about the King Kong and Superman trailers, and then there was the woman, a week or two later, who could only muster a muffled ".....hm" after the "Superman Returns" teaser (yes, yes, yes, I've heard it all before, but that was a damn good teaser) and I thought "I don't wanna grow up".

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 4:48 PM

Jay They tried...three times

Huh? I was talking about figgy's beefcake and cupcakes. The quotation correction was unrelated, but while s/he was at it, s/he really should've included "tale told by an idiot" for more effect. Wait, is "Coyote Ugly" a stealth Shakespeare adaptation like "Clueless"?

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 4:52 PM

I LURVED Wall-E, but I did have an eensy problem with them using a real actor (Fred Willard as the BnL CEO) and then also animated folks on the spaceship. Did that bug anyone else? I think in one scene the two types of people were on screen at the same time, as the ship captain watches an old video? It was weird.

Posted by: Lizzie (greeneyed fem) at January 7, 2009 4:55 PM

Pixar's latest was a tad obvious

Ironically, in the commentary track the director mentions how the over-consumption message was rather secondary to what he wanted: one lone robot doing a task for centuries after everyone else had buggered off.

The whole story was the natural extension of that idea, it wasn't originally intended as a 'message movie'

Posted by: twig at January 7, 2009 4:58 PM

Wait, Fred Willard's in Wall-E?!?

Why can't anyone ever pitch a movie to me correctly???

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 4:58 PM

LIST WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!

Posted by: branded at January 7, 2009 5:00 PM

Oh...um...forget I said anything, Jay. Nothing to see here, there's no such governing counsel whose sworn duty is to protect the public from bad cinema. Move along.

Posted by: Mike R. at January 7, 2009 5:02 PM

Rebecca, though you have a super sexy name I must disagree with on Doubt and Frost/Nixon because they were frickin' incredible adaptations. Both were like watching a seminar in fantastic acting as well. The more I think about it the more I think you may just be insane for coming down on them.

Posted by: becks at January 7, 2009 5:03 PM

Man, when did this site get populated with whiners?

So the list isn't perfect by your opinion, STFU and get over it.

Posted by: Brian at January 7, 2009 5:06 PM

I also have to side with pseudoliterati, he covered my thoughts almost exactly regarding "The Dark Knight".


I'd also think you could take any movie except "Iron Man" off that list and replace it with "Tropic Thunder".

Posted by: EricD at January 7, 2009 5:07 PM

Jay

Bring Macbeth, cupcakes and your fine self over to my place.

We'll have fun.

*wink wink nudge nudge*

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 5:13 PM

I just saw Dark Knight again, and...no. That movie will not age well. Once you get away from the overwhelming rush of sound and flashing lights on the big screen it's half an hour too long, with a vestigial Two-Face plot and a middle that doesn't really make much sense. It was a good movie, but to put it above any movie on that list is, well, wrong. Utterly wrong.

I saw Slumdog Millionaire yesterday, and I have no problems placing it first, but I think WALL-E deserves even more love than you've given it. WALL-E will be watched and remembered fifty years from now. The Dark Knight will not be.

Posted by: Black Mage at January 7, 2009 5:13 PM

And to all the Dark Knight haters:

Go fuck a goat.

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 5:13 PM

Yes, all of you. The same one.

Stupid people must share. It's the rules.

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 5:17 PM


This is a solid list, for the most part, but it does give me a chance to gripe about what almost ruined TDK for me, and that was the last 15 or so minutes.

*Spoiler*

Now, you have a homicidal maniac and his gang running lose in the city, but still somehow feel that you need to pin a few Harvey Dent misdeeds on Batman, purely for dramatic effect? Why, when the perfect scapegoats are readily available?

*End Spoiler*

Up till then it had me.

Posted by: Drake at January 7, 2009 5:23 PM

Well, I can take or leave cupcakes, but I do have some pumpkin cheesecake ice cream in the freezer......no, no, actually I better keep that separate. You'd just hate to waste any of it, you know? Especially since it's one of those "limited edition" flavors. Hell, I'm almost hesitant to eat it.

A gang-bang goat, huh? I could....but I won't look it up and discover it's been done. I'm gonna leave that over there. Still, effective punishment whether new or not.

Posted by: Jay at January 7, 2009 5:26 PM

I would have put Slumdog at number one, but overall I thought this was a fantastic list... even though "Let the Right One In" was one of my favorites of the year.

Posted by: Edie at January 7, 2009 5:38 PM

I don't know that we'd say that 2008 was an amazing year for films

The list can't be any more exciting than the movies themselves, people, so it's quibbles and bits at this point. I'm not onboard with TDK as the year's best, but I'm hard-pressed to offer an alternative. I've seen only 4 of the 10 listed here, but at least it's the top 4 -- which for my money could be shaken and served in any order.

Based on Boozehound's superlative writeup, I daresay I expect to want Tell No One at the top of the list once I've seen it.

Posted by: Che Grovera at January 7, 2009 5:52 PM

I'd like to vote this comment by Branded as the best of the day:

Why don't they let the target audience vote?

"Because it's hard to put a serious amount of weight behind the vote of someone whom you repeatedly have to take to the hospital for sticking marbles up his/her nose.

Coincidentally that is the same reason why they didn't count the vote of those people who saw Witless Protection.

Posted by: branded at January 7, 2009 3:52 PM:

Not simply because I snorted marbles out of my nose after reading it, but for the fact that it was an actual disagreement being carried out through reasonable discourse. Instead of insulting ones parenting abilities, or of course the always classic "eat shit".

Posted by: Xtreme at January 7, 2009 6:01 PM

Overall a fine list. But I'm baffled by the almost unanimous acclaim for the indifferently structured and rhythmless Tell No One. What a mess. Thank God Andre Dussolier explained the whole goddamn thing anyway in the last ten minutes.

Posted by: periscope at January 7, 2009 6:08 PM

I managed to see five of these (Doubt, WALL-E, Iron Man, Slumdog Millionaire, TDK), which is pretty good for me (I usually don't see most movies until they're out on DVD).

I don't think I would have put TDK as #1, because aside from Ledger's performance (which I thought was amazing), the movie didn't really stand out too much for me, except as a dark, badass action flick. I've got no problem with it being on the list though. And since I'm horrible at ordering things which are incredibly different (as the movies on this list are), I guess I don't have much of a problem with it being #1. And maybe I just need to watch TDK again to get the full effect.

And to all the WALL-E haters out there, you can (respectfully, of course) suck it. That is a great movie. I agree that the environmentalism/overconsumption aspect was laid on a little thick, and it threatened at times to overshadow the real plot (WALL-E and Eve's budding relationship, in my opinion), but I think overall the movie succeeds wonderfully. And I cannot get over how much emotion they were able to get out of two nonhumanoid (except for eyes and arms) robots who can say about four words between the two of them. Fantastic. Then again, I do have a soft spot for Pixar films.

Now I just have to see the rest of these...

Posted by: giovanni at January 7, 2009 6:23 PM

The ice cream will be for later. You know, when we need to recover energies and what not. It'll be celebratory ice cream. Mmhmm.

I don't know if it's been done before, but I say we bring it into fashion for 2009. Do something bad? fuck a goat! Don't pay your taxes? Fuck a goat! Don't agree with what I say? fuck a goat!

There's a future for this!

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 6:24 PM

the best part of the punishment is, as Alton Brown would say, Goat is some serious GOOD EATS.

birria rocks, though i suppose this might be the wrong time to ponder why it's always so damn tender ...

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at January 7, 2009 6:58 PM

Goat fuckers for life!

Posted by: Becky Tri-Tip Goddess at January 7, 2009 7:06 PM

Only problem with your punishment, figgy, is that for a good number of the ones for whom you would order it, caprine copulatory interaction would be a reward, rather than a punishment. Just sayin'...

Posted by: Rykker at January 7, 2009 7:12 PM

Maggie Gyllenhaal is the number one reason why Dark Knight shouldn't be number one.

Yes, them's fightin' words 'round these parts, but fuck it. Neither Bale nor Eckhart would ever go for her droopy breasts and sagging, wrinkled eyes. The makeup guy should be beaten. She looked 40 in that movie.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 7, 2009 7:20 PM

Damn good point, Rykker.

I'll have to think of something for them.

"DON'T go fuck a goat!" won't work...

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 7:20 PM

I'm sorry, but am I the only one who just doesn't get Anne Hathaway? I haven't seen Rachel Getting Married mind you, but the amount of overhype has me doubting she's really THAT incredible. Judging by her past performances, she's a bland actress with no range of talent. Yes, I saw Brokeback and felt it was not nearly as good as people said it was, and I'm gay. So it's not like I wasn't the target audience. The Devil Wears Prada just flat out sucked, no questions asked.
Personally, Milk is number two on my list, Wall-E at #1. Though I'll need to see Slumdog and Doubt. This weekend maybe?

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at January 7, 2009 7:25 PM

I loved The Dark Knight and hated Batman Begins. The Two-Face plot was essential to the Joker plot, as is summed up in the Joker's last conversation with Batman. "You didn't think I'd risk losing the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with you?" Harvey Dent was the Joker's masterpiece. He carved away the good man with lies and trauma to get to the evil and despair below the surface. Besides that, Two-Face needed redemption after Batman Forever buttfucked him.

Posted by: Lucas at January 7, 2009 7:53 PM

Eat some fuck Cindy and pseudoliterati! There is no reason not to like the Dark Knight!

Hey George, why don't you pull that gerbil out of your ass so you can go back and read what I wrote. I liked TDK just fine, but I don't see it as Best Picture. Also, you're going to have to demonstrate that fuck eating thing.

Posted by: Cindy at January 7, 2009 8:33 PM

Today is so awesome.

'Fuck a goat' AND 'eat a fuck'?!

*claps in delight*

Posted by: figgy at January 7, 2009 9:01 PM

Cripes, only seen one of these, but in my defense three of them haven't come here yet, and I'm not sure whether a couple others ever were. I not only need to get out more, I apparently need to travel greater distances.

Posted by: bucdaddy at January 7, 2009 9:03 PM

You can tell it's been a blah year at the movies when all these year-end top-ten lists are just permutations of the same ten movies - with maybe two or three exceptions.

All the movies on this list that I have seen are good - and some have moments of greatness - but none of them come close to transcendence.

And good lord, I know I'm in the minority here, but Iron Man and The Dark Knight - while they have their merits - are both so overrated. See reasons provided above by those who agree with me.

Frost/Nixon and Doubt? Superb acting and writing, but there's almost nothing truly cinematic about them. It's no surprise that they were plays first. And that's not to say that you can't make something cinematic out of a small human drama. See the shot work that Mendes and Deakins do in Revolutionary Road for an example.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 7, 2009 9:49 PM

I loved Ledger in TDK. Possibly the best villain I've seen on screen. That being said, I agree that TDK could have been a lot better.

Batman's voice was irritating.

2-face didn't need to be scarred to represent his descent into madness, nor did his storyline need to finish in this film. Hollywood rubbish, that.

The exploding hospital scene was SCINTILLATING, but was let down by the subsequent increasingly anti-climactic scenes, particularly the hostage confrontation. The boats were kind of cool, though.

If only Nolen could've found some way to wrap up the movie close to the exploding hospital scene, and left 2-face's descent to simmer, I would've came six ways from Sunday instead of leaving the cinema on a weak semi.

Posted by: Peter G at January 8, 2009 12:09 AM

What about The Wackness? It should've at least get mentioned. But overall, I agree with the list.

Posted by: Crecel at January 8, 2009 12:10 AM

LIST WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!

branded, I have no idea why but this made me laugh out loud

Posted by: eat my shorts at January 8, 2009 12:18 AM

You know, for posting so much on a MOVIE REVIEW SITE, you'd think I actually watched, you know, movies.

But apparently I don't. I haven't seen a single gotdamned one of those flicks.

I AM addicted to AMC and TCM, though. Do old ones count?

Course I just started working a second job. That might cut into my old movie watching time considerably. Stupid hobo economy. I would have a teenage daughter in a hobo economy. Sigh.

What was this about again?

Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen at January 8, 2009 12:25 AM

another vote for pseudoliterati. a new category should be created for these comic book extravaganzas.TDK and iron man were triumphs of what passes for cinematic style over substance. they were instantly forgettable.
nice to see " the visitor " receive a top 10 mention even though it was released long before oscar season.
dan's reviews are absolutely well written and always welcome but he went over the top with his gush on " doubt ". it was brilliantly acted but faux profound and shanley uses the last 15 seconds to subvert everything he spent the prior hour and 45 minutes to establish.
lists do stir the juices and get the wheels turning so i will only add that there should have been room for " the reader " and " happy-go-lucky".

Posted by: snake at January 8, 2009 12:47 AM

...what if I err..haven't seen The Dark Knight yet?
...Am I about to get slapped?

Posted by: popejenn at January 8, 2009 12:56 AM

Kamikaze, you indeed are not the only one who doesn't get Anne Hathaway. She's fine in the fluffy Princess Prada movies, but I thought her role in "Rachel" (Kim, was it? can't remember and can't be bothered to check IMDB) was WAY out of her range and I was painfully conscious of being conscious the entire film that she was "acting" (and not well).

And one of my big film peeves .. for an ex-smoker, she sure couldn't convincingly do it on screen. For anyone who smokes in a movie, for the love of godtopus, learn to hold the thing and how to fucking exhale smoke!

Posted by: Jean at January 8, 2009 12:57 AM

No, popejenn, you just go into the corner with the bad people.

And you have to fuck a goat.

Posted by: figgy at January 8, 2009 1:35 AM

Good list, but I really didn't like Rachel Getting Married. I just kept feeling bored and wanting the damn wedding to be over already. Ugh.

Posted by: Sharon at January 8, 2009 3:35 AM

I like it, I saw many info. on ***seekingsugarmomma. c om***. Very funny site. Like it so much!!!

Posted by: Nina at January 8, 2009 3:54 AM

Thank you, DarthCorleone. Right you are.

Also, while Wall-E was okay, it's no Toy Story.

But why no love - from anyone - for the movie that saved Colin Farrell's career, the sublime In Bruges?. Much, much more durable than TDK. It's the kind of film the Coens wish they could still make.

Posted by: rocky at January 8, 2009 5:20 AM

Okay, so now I just read "The best films you didn't see". I don't care. I'll remember In Bruges a long, long time after The Dark Knight is gone and forgotten.

Posted by: rocky at January 8, 2009 5:27 AM

Good selections except for The Dark Knight. Boo and hiss! Except for Heath Ledger, of course.

Posted by: amanda at January 8, 2009 6:06 AM

2-face didn't need to be scarred to represent his descent into madness

Well, yeah, he did. That's the character. That's why he's called Two-Face.

Posted by: Jay at January 8, 2009 6:45 AM

jay
i saw "it might get loud" at the toronto international film festival. jimmy page, jack white and the edge were there, so that was fun.

the film was really interesting and i loved the music. jimmy page and the edge were more compelling than jack white. even though he's a fantastic guitar player/singer and i like his music, he was definitely out-classed by the other two, based on experience and, in my opinion, genius.

i realize that the filmmakers were going for a multi-generational approach, but a better "third wheel" would have been neil young, eddie van halen, kirk hammett, david gilmour, alex lifeson etc...

having said that, it was still a lot of fun, at times moving, and definitely worth seeing on the big screen for the sake of the sound.

Posted by: celery at January 8, 2009 6:52 AM

Thanks! Well, I'll keep waiting.

Posted by: Jay at January 8, 2009 6:57 AM

and i did cry once. it involved jimmy page. that's all i'll say.

i know people who didn't like it, but they're neither huge led zeppelin or U2 fans.

it's not a ground breaking documentary and it has some structural flaws, but if you like electric guitar and rock music, then you'll be in heaven.

Posted by: celery at January 8, 2009 6:57 AM

that should be: neither led zeppeling *NOR* U2 fans.

sorry.

Posted by: celery at January 8, 2009 7:00 AM

What, precisely (meaning a diagramatic representation would be nice), is zeppeling?

Is that anything like goat-fuckin'?

Posted by: Rykker at January 8, 2009 7:31 AM

Once again anything which comes in another language and you have to watch with subtitles has been completely overlooked. Although, surprisingly, I have only watched two out of the whole list (The Dark Knight and Ironman) I doubt there is a movie as powerful as 4 months, 3 weeks and 2 days in that list (a Romanian movie about abortion). It's the type of movie Hollywood would be too scared to produce and in my opinion should be in this list.

Another genre which always gets overlooked in best of year lists is documentaries.

And if you're tired of hearing about Wall-E but you want to watch a great animation movie why not try Persepolis?

I don't think that there are much bad movie years. Every year I find weird and wonderful things to watch. Movies from all countries and of all genres. It's a pity so many great movies get so little recognition.

P.S. I'm not necessarily against this list. I'm just trying to inject alternative ideas of what could have been in there or what could have at least got a mention.

Posted by: Chris at January 8, 2009 8:02 AM

chris
4 months, 3 weeks and 2 days came out in 2007 and was up for various awards last year.

Posted by: celery at January 8, 2009 8:10 AM

And one of my big film peeves .. for an ex-smoker, she sure couldn't convincingly do it on screen. For anyone who smokes in a movie, for the love of godtopus, learn to hold the thing and how to fucking exhale smoke!

Posted by: Jean at January 8, 2009 12:57 AM

What the fuck does this mean, exactly? I get this shit all the time -- as if there's a "wrong" way to fucking hold a cigarette and exhale. Since when are smokers a bunch of fucking Masons?

I swapped addictions while I was in rehab about four years ago -- I call smoking my "rehabit". That makes me extremely late to the party relative to all the cool kids who tagged their rebellious natures by taking up smoking in puberty. I was the only non-smoker in a group of fourteen when I got there, and all those fuckers got to go out on the patio in mid-June every two hours to indulge the addiction that wasn't being treated. I got tired of literally cooling my heels in the over-air-conditioned lounge (which I later learned was part of the mind-fuck to keep people uncomfortably alert), so I joined the bi-hourly stampede and one thing led to another. Now it turns out the non-conformists have their own code of conformity; ain't that always the way?

Do me a favor, Jean, and post a tutorial, or at least a URL to a video, that deconstructs the "right" way to do this shit.

Posted by: Che Grovera at January 8, 2009 9:02 AM

Once again anything which comes in another language and you have to watch with subtitles has been completely overlooked.

Apparently you overlooked #5.

Posted by: Cindy at January 8, 2009 9:26 AM

The wife and I saw Rachel Getting Married last Friday and, I have to say, I don't understand all the love for it. Anne Hathaway was excellent and deserves accolades for her performance. But as far as plot goes, it could have been an ABC After School Special. I get it - the family's Bohemian. They're really into self expression unless, of course, it comes to interpersonal relationships and dealing with the past. And the music was grating. Best part of the movie was when Anne Hathaway's character screamed loudly "are they going to play all weekend?!?!" (meaning the practicing musicians).

The Visitor is my vote for best movie of 2009. The music in it, rather than getting on my last nerve, served to advance the plot. Their shared love of music brought Tarek and Walter together as friends and Walter out of his funk. It wasn't there to show how great their musical tastes were or to show how arty they could be. Their music came from their souls and was one of joy.

Posted by: JH at January 8, 2009 9:39 AM

sorry man, dark ka-nig-ot wasn't that good.
watch it a few more times....it doesn't hold up.

Posted by: mothy at January 8, 2009 11:02 AM

Everything's a matter of opinion, but here's mine: I still have seen nothing this year that had the impact of The Dark Knight. I think it is a groundbreaking movie.

I think it should win Best Picture.

I think it should win Best Director

I think Heath Ledger should win best Supporting Actor.


I fear that any or all of those above will not come to pass because of the early timing of Dark Knight's release, and perhaps more because of people's tendency to respond to hype with criticism. When something gets that much attention, there is a natural tendency for people to be more critical of it, in part because people don't want to feel they're going along with the masses.


So I'll say this: the fact that everybody loved The Dark Knight, and everybody raved about it, does not make it a bad movie.


It's an amazing work, and it deserves every honor it can get.

Posted by: karstark at January 8, 2009 11:22 AM

I saw seven of these movies, and my favorite two of the year didn't make the list: Happy-Go-Lucky and Man on Wire. The Wrestler was my favorite of those listed above. I was lucky to review Let the Right One In for the site, and it was certainly one of the 10 best that I saw this year.

I thought Iron Man was a lot of fun, the worship of The Dark Knight truly mystifies me, the first half of Wall-E was phenomenal, Rachel Getting Married was very well done but also a tad annoying (still top 10, though), and Slumdog Millionaire was easy on the eyes but preposterous in almost every other way.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents as a staffer -- or, put another way, I wanted to crash the party. Look at me! Look at me!

Posted by: John Williams at January 8, 2009 11:47 AM

You forgot to include Zombie Strippers. Maybe an Honorable Mention?

Posted by: Dave at January 8, 2009 11:49 AM

Xtreme-
Okay, that was my other option for what you meant. I would agree.

Sorry for the late reply.

Posted by: Eep at January 8, 2009 12:24 PM

I'll add my name to the list of "whiners" and say that this list was a predictable snore. The only surprise was that TDK and Iron Man didn't go 1-2.

TDK was fine, people, but to call it the best film of the year is ludicrous. Iron Man was great fun and well crafted, but it's a piece of cotton candy. If these are two of the best films that 2008 has to offer, then it wasn't much of a year.

Posted by: jimbob at January 8, 2009 12:27 PM

figgy, this whole goat gang-bang thing would be a whole lot easier if you'd just goddamn hold still!

If anyone somehow made it to the end of TDK still thinking it was a marvel and didn't then vomit yourself sick over Commisioner Gordon's final smarmy, ham-fisted, diarrhea-of-the-cliche drivel, you were in the throes of a violent post-moviegasm coma, too stupified to be offended at the tacked-on moral that should have seemed redundant to even the simplest 4 year old brought into the theater by its inconsideate, brainless parents.

Posted by: frumpiefox at January 8, 2009 1:41 PM

*wipes tear from corner of eye*

God bless you, Kamikaze. No, you're not the only one who doesn't get the Hathaway love. The girl is BORING in every conceivable way. The only talent she has (I imagine) is being able to fit the entirety of her left foot in that oversized, toothy mouth of hers.

Posted by: jimbob at January 8, 2009 2:03 PM

And here I am, replying so late that no one will read it again, but...

I have to say, Extreme? What's up with your statement of "Far be it from me to judge grown men that like to sit alone in a dark theatre watching a kids movie surrounded by children. No sir. Wouldn't dare."? What?

I mean, seriously, that comes off as amazingly pretentious and also sounds like you're hinting at pedophilia, and that bothers me. A LOT. So adults can't like films that are supposedly aimed at kids? Oh, can us girls not go into an action movie alone? Can boys never be seen alone in a theater showing a Jane Austen adaptation? Come on.

I think, especially as you're a parent, you would realize that you can have your own opinion. Maybe your kid didn't like Wall-E. Great. Did you?

Okay, I've taken a breath and now I'm calm. Things like that bother me, though. Oh, and for the record, I loved the first half of Wall-E, liked the second , and thought that Ratatoullie was their sweetest, most complex, most brilliant and adult work to date. But you don't have to agree. That's why it's an opinion. My opinion, not someone else's.

Posted by: ghost toast at January 8, 2009 2:39 PM

ghost toast>> I'm a boy, and I've actually gone to a Jane Austen adaptation alone. :- )

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 8, 2009 3:22 PM

That's great, DarthCorleone! And also exactly my point. "Target Audience" is a silly term to describe marketing by studio suits, and not necessarily who will go/enjoy the film. Thanks for backing me up. :)

P.S. Shoot -Em Up was amazing. I saw it in the theater. Also alone.

Posted by: ghost toast at January 8, 2009 3:56 PM

A lot of the movies that came out this year were pretty good, but nothing extraordinary.

Iron Man - Fun
Dark Knight - Pretty Good. Love Heath Ledger.
Doubt - Great acting. Good.
Milk - Good.
Slumdog - Enjoyable.
Frost/Nixon - Well done.

etc. etc.

And I have to agree with Rocky about Toy Story. My favorite Pixar. It's perfect. Not one thing wrong with it. I think the only thing Wall E has it beat is the animation, but that's natural. Wall E had an amazing beginning and end, but once the FAT! and LAZY! humans came onto the screen, the plot got... lazy, uninspired and heavy handed. The interactions between the robots were amazing though. I think if it was just a love story between Eve and Wall E with the humans way in the background it would have been a perfect film. Wall E just pisses me off because it's *almost* amazing.

Posted by: kayla at January 8, 2009 4:13 PM

ghost toast, please go back and read all the comments on this post. One of the first would have been me, expressing my (non-abusive and what I thought was un-inflammatory) opinions, regarding Wall-E and the other movies in general. Which was met with two of the most small-minded responses I could hope for:

"Let him watch Kung Fu Panda, then, and grow up as dismissive and simplistic as you."

"And fuck you Xtreme for dissing on Wall-E, it's not really as much for the kids, but it doesn't need to be. It has everything in it right. Eat shit."

Did I come across as pretentious after that? Probably. But I was pissed. From what I've read, most people that post around here are not nearly as small minded and fuckwitted as this pair. That's why I started posting here in the first place. Boys can wear dresses in public for all I care. And girls can wear pants. But neither can come at me like that and not expect what I posted, or a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Xtreme at January 8, 2009 4:19 PM

I could hate, but this is a good list. Personally, I think Slumdog is really overrated. I mean, it's good. I liked it. But some of it felt a bit forced, and the plot didn't entirely make sense, and some of the acting wasn't that great. Plus, the writer obviously didn't know when to let the dialogue end. Some scene, it was like, "We get it, let the facial and physical expression talk and shut up!" That's a big part of acting, so DO IT!

Posted by: Audiosuede at January 8, 2009 5:39 PM

FUCK YOU FOR NOT LIKING THAT MOVIE YOU IDIOT

Posted by: ILIKETDK at January 8, 2009 6:39 PM

Okay, Xtreme, I did actually not see those comments while scrolling down (I can't be expected to read EVERYTHING...that's crazy), and yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I don't like getting in arguments over the interwebs, because this is the kind of thing that usually happens.

However, I do think that dissenting opinions should be heard (although insults are weird, because one has no clue as to how they're intended). Anyway, I'm glad we can agree on not agreeing (can we?). I sayeth yes.

Posted by: ghost toast at January 8, 2009 7:29 PM

I'm sure Seth wrote this.

ok, Dark Knight and Ironman were good, but THE BEST??? hell, no.

Posted by: mario at January 8, 2009 9:12 PM

"but once the FAT! and LAZY! humans came onto the screen, the plot got... lazy, uninspired and heavy handed"

Yeas ma deya.... de Humans most be TEYERMINATED!!!

Posted by: T-800 at January 9, 2009 1:00 AM

The Dark Knight? Really?

Posted by: mark at January 12, 2009 2:23 PM



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